for some reason I cant find a version of the requiem with both the Confutatis AND the Lacrimosa.. people are more concerned with Dies Irae (which is also completely mind blowing!) most beautiful and sorrowful music ever composed. No one can beat Mozart although there are some amazing composers in our own time :)
OH and also , the pupil said no way I can't complete this so he used Mozart's notes and redid part of the earlier music in the end parts and wound it up that way. So it is Mozart's work all through butnot as Mozart would have finished it if he had lived....
Youtube is full of superlatives: "The best composer ever", "The best singer ever", "The most". But let's say this clearly. Mozart was and is the Best composer of all times. And his requiem, the most subliminal piece of all. Simple. Period.
@Grgory58 yes he was basically. Ttho the Salieri movie was historical rubbish Mozart was visited by a man in a black mask who gave him lots of money to write a Requiem. Mozart was not only ill but also very poor then. He died before it was completed. His wife got a pupil (NOT Salieri) to complete it and sold it to the black mask guy for the balance of the due amount. It turned out that the Reqiuem was performed but some aristocrat as his own and only history later found it was Mozart's !
Jes, the Requiem isn´t bad all in all. The Lacrimosa is devine, but i know why it´s devine. It isn´t from Mozart. It was writtem by a Student of him (Franz Xaver Süßmay(e)r). Only the first 8 measures are from Mozart, as the last thoughts which he has written down. So don´t thank Mozart. Be happy, that he didn´t finished it, it would never sound so powefull than.
Kyrie eleison: vocal parts complete; bass line with figures (to indicate how the harmony should be filled out); orchestral parts sketched in here and there
Sequence: same as the Kyrie eleison, through measure 8 of the Lacrimosa
@90Einstein Suessmeyer had truly learned all from Mozart and he felt the music and Mozart's way of composing, he lived with him and even had a sexual relationship with Mozart's wife. He was very close to Mozart like a son. But Mozart is still a genius. And Suessmeyer is probably, too.
Sorry, but this recording just doesn't capture the forceful majesty of this piece -- I imagine it is the acoustics and not the performance. Just not enough of the powerful bass and lower registers present to give it the powerful presence that Mozart created in this requiem mass. For a full English translation, may I suggest: st matthews dot com forward slash choir forward slash mozartsrequiem dot htm
@foojuice101 I perfectly know it..I did know Salieri before seeing "Amadeus", because of his music not because of a story which can be true or not.
Anyway I just tried to say how stupid can people be for not understanding such an astonishing music like Mozart's one, which anybody can understand for its clearness. Stupid like people who think Salieri was just as he appeared in the movie, I'm not among those people :) (Hope I wrote everything correctly, I'm italian).
Franz Xaver Süssmayr finished the Requiem using Mozart´s instructions. Mozart only completed the Introitus, Kyrie and Dies Irae. The rest of the Sequentia was unfinished in its instrumental part, except the Lacrimosa that was also incompleted in the vocal part.
always gives me shivers when I listen to it...such magnificence...to feel the soul of a man expressing itself in such a way...to feel the internal turmoil and to give yourself in to it and completely feel it... Mozart was a genius... touched by the Divine...however sad it is that he did not write it completely, you can still feel his essence...
What's sad is that Mozart actually wrote only a small portion of this piece. It is assumed that his precocious student was attuned to his style and compositional designs enough to complete it in a close enough manner humanly possible at that time to his own thoughts. Still, I am curious as to what would actually have come out of Mozart's own pen.
The suggestion that this mass was never intended to be performed at an actual funeral is incorrect. It was commissioned by Count Franz von Walsegg precisely for that purpose and performed as such in Feb 1792 (for his wife). A FULL requiem mass (Missa pro defunctis) - as opposed to a simple funeral rite - is vast (they usually last at least 2 hours) and the elements Mozart scored (Kyrie, Sanctus, Dies Irae etc) are all indispensible in any requiem mass (whether set to music or not).
Music is the only language on Earth that is the same everywhere. You can read a score written by a Chinese composer and conduct it in a Russian orchestra in the US.
It belongs not only to humanity. It belongs every creature on Earth. It belongs to the sound itself.
I am not Christian but I listen to this or any other reuqiems of Mozart, fugues of Bach, ode to joy, hallelujah chorus... I mean, music may be created for a religion or a nationality... But at the end, it belongs to whole humanity... This is why music is beyond religions and races...
I still agree with geiadude. The tempo is to high. Yes, this is a conversation with god - but nevertheless it is written for a funeral, to move the collective of the attending. I have heard many versions of this piece, which achieve that goal far better than this.
@jamme1011 This is a concert Requiem and never meant to be performed at an actual funeral in its entirety. It uses the words of a Catholic funeral Mass, but it is not a substitute for an actual funeral Mass.
@Elainelps0421 It can be done at a Funeral Mass, it is completely valid and legal to do so. If it was done in the context of a traditional latin mass it is even better.
@VAGONIUS Sure, it CAN be, but they are not written for that purpose. Requiems of this nature are composed to be performed as a concert piece. Parts of them can be used at an actual Requeim Mass or funeral mass or service, but not as a whole as a form of worship.
@Elainelps0421 I assure you I am knowledgeable on this. It can be done. I have participated in Mozart's Vespers of the confessor. Since Mozart's Requiem is complete, it can be done as long as all the Ordinary and Propers are done according to the rubrics, anything that is missing is to be done in Gregorian chant. How this works at least in the Traditional Latin Mass is that the priest will say the requiem propers and ordinary and the chorus will sing the same part using Mozart.
@VAGONIUS You'll excuse me if I have my doubts? I just know for a fact that concert requiems are meant to be performed at concerts, not as Requiem Masses.
@Elainelps0421 I know, because I am a Masters of Ceremony, and we have done a Mozart's Vespers of the Confessor in the context of an actual Catholic worship. I would like the citation of that claim because nothing in the 1962 General rubrics of Roman Missal the forbids that unless I can be corrected. Again, it is simple, the entire Mozart Requiem has to be done according to the Rubrics, that means the priest says the entire ordinary and propers.
@Elainelps0421 Actually, Elainelps0421, I don't believe that the idea of a so-called "performance mass" had yet come into existence. In Mozart's day, Church music was merely that--Church music. Indeed, the piece was commissioned by Count Franz von Walsegg for a requiem Mass.
@Elainelps0421 Well, I understand what you're saying. I just wonder why you would say this was intended to be a performance mass. Wikipedia cites the Oxford Companion to Music as stating in its article on the subject that "the distinction between concert masses and those intended for liturgical use...[came] into play as the 19th century progressed." That's what I'd believed ever since I started composing my first mass last year.
An entire Mozart Requiem can be used in a Traditional Latin Mass. Same with Faure's Requiem, the only thing with his Mass is that it is not complete therefore the gregorian chant must be used to complete the missing parts.
@geiadude This may be a requiem on paper, but what Mozart wrote transcends the form of a simple dirge. This is a musical and spiritual collective of the people speaking directly at God. This was the voice of humanity, alternately pleading, screaming, wheedling and finally accepting Death, driven by the greatest music ever written.
This is a conversation. One sided, sure, but a conversation with God nonetheless. A conversation has a pace. The restraint shown here adds to Death's gravitas.
@Doika86 Yes, yes. You're right. As "mei" is a possessive pronoun applied to "finis" not to "curam" it isn't "Bring my sorrow to an end" but "Bring sorrow to my end". As a closer result you're right and it means "take care of my ending" and in a further interpretation it means "help me in my final hour". Thank you very much for helping me.
@42TheGamer lol i see your'e a latin student.. i passed through that too in high school (i'm italian)
but i didnt find it very interesting.. i wish i had listened to this kind of music earlier tho... it makes it much more compelling to try to understand the meaning of the lyrics
Mozart really didn't die young at 35. Life expectancy was only 10 years older at the time. Don't confuse real medicine we have today with leaches and bleeding they used then. It sure isn't dark age music and much of it is really starting to pick up a beat.
Kudos to the choir singing without sheet music. A difficult thing to do. It takes a very well trained and confident choir to be able to pull this off.. Bravo to them.
I am so glad they made "Amadeus" with Tom Hulce and F Murray Abraham so many years ago. That movie exposed Mozart's genius to a whole new series of generations. My daughter first saw it when she was about 12, and today still listens to his music (and the other classis masters as well), as do most of her friends.
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@Elainelps0421 thats kinda hard to say. it has 1 of two options: 1) he becomes 1,000,000 times greater than he already is or 2) he ruins his own credibility and isnt as beloved as he is now. its kinda like, you die young and people pay more attention but live a full life span and once you fade into obscurity in the later years, so does your legacy
@MountieVision I don't know....maybe you're right...but I think in the best possible worlds, he would have been unbelievably creative and changed the face and course of classical music as we know it ... but that can be said for any great composer...had they lived and produced longer than the reality of their unique situations.
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@jamesmanortiz i said i dont like him so much. For me the most of his works sound very equal, but there are a lot of pieces i really like, especially the requiem, symphony no.41, 40 and more.
@NiclasThobaben Check out these Mozart pieces: Ave Verum Corpus Laudate Pueri Violin Sonata in E minor, 2nd movement Kyrie from the Great Mass Fantasia in D minor Clarinet Concerto, K. 622 Violin Sonata in G major Ach ich fuhl's Laudate Dominum Traurigkeit ward mir zum Lose K. 448 (makes you smarter) Ruhe Sanft The pieces you've been listening to were probably the boring ones like Eine Kleine, Turkish March etc. Mozart has a lot of great works, you just have to know where to look.
@HerlockSholmes123 :-D yes, thanks. I know...I'm very interested in Music so I know also othe works by him. But i prefer other music. Like baroque, romantic, impressionismus (i dont know the english word for it) and filmmusic, and also music from the renaissance. But like i said this work here is so great!
I also think that mozarts music goes better when he was older...His Zauberflöte is a masterpiece as well...
@NiclasThobaben Why don't you like Mozart? I think he's brilliant at everything he wrote. His symphonies are highly unique, his operas are the most performed operas in the world, his choral music speaks for itself here, and his concertos are beautiful. I just can't see how you can't like him!
@adam4757 Sorry for my opinion, But I prefer Bach, Händel, Tschaikowsky, Wagner, Debussy, Satie, John Wlliams, Howard Shore...Do you see what I mean? I'm not classic fan...
The Lacrimosa way too fast. It feels so rushed that it takes the whole beauty away from the piece and makes it seem like Gardiner just wanted to finish it as soon as he can and get fucking done with it. I prefer Leonard Bernstein's version over this crap.
It's "voca me cum benedictis" (i.e. "the blessed" in plural) not "benedictus" (singular)... ending in "-is" just like all the other lines in Confutatis.
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@ mixerleo - i like that idea. but i think if there was a god ( which there isnt) he would definitely choose Wagner for his funeral - Mozart is too joyful, even here. Wanger has the edge with grandeur and sardonic majesty :) check out sir george solti conducting tannhauser here on yt - awesome!!!!
@cbravery Joyful?!?! No... this is supposed to invoke feelings of TERROR with the men's parts, then SAD pleas for help and salvation from the women, which is then repeated for effect. Lastly, there is resignation with the "oro..." Then, the Lacrimosa is basically supposed to make you cry your eyes out.
@Dodo251 That's completely not true... There's no way, because Chrysostomus and Theophilys are Greek names, meaning 'golden mouth' and 'friend of God'.. And Mozart was... German? or Austrian? Anyway, his full name isn't Wolfgang Johannes Chrysostomus Theophilus Amadeus Mozart...
@wordgal14 Sure his full name was Johannes Chrysostomus T. A. Mozart. But he prefered to be called Wolfgang Amadé or Amadeus. The fact that Chrysostomus and Theophilus is Greek is redundant, the majority of names come form Latin, Greek, Hebrew (e.g. Michael, Daniel, Claudia, John (=Johannes) etc.)
This performance is so mechanical you might as well have a computer generated performance. There's no passion, its all in time with no rubato or emotion.
@aarandir rubato? In the classical style? You think rubato is the method to produce passion and emotion? Rubato would be as out of place here as Chopin being performed by a kazoo choir.
@Elainelps0421 Yes. What I mean't was a bit more slower and more intense, rather than mechanical and so on the beat. I'm not sure if this is a new concept to you but generally speaking (I think) music is quite emotional? One expects to hear it with a bit more sentiment and with an emotional range greater than the one heard here.
@aarandir Rubato was not prevalent in the classical period and would be terribly out of place in this requiem. I've heard it performed with a great deal of rubato; also terribly slow... so out of place for the time period. There is no "norm" with Mozart. He was creative and on the cutting edge. His genius was how inventive he was and yet he managed to function within the realm of the classical structure. His requiem had a fervency which required a moving forward..not a slowing down.
@Elainelps0421 I know rubato was a more a romantic era practice, I already admitted that, I meant it would be more suitable if it was slower not "terribly slow". This performance is far too fast. They might as well add a techno beat to it and start raving. One can feel it is too fast, something which expresses so much sorrow begs to be played slower.
Musicians in this time period wrote songs about God because the church was one of their few means of financial advancement. Granted, Mozart is brilliant at capturing sound and emotion that reflects the words, but I doubt he was writing this solely to glorify God. The lyrics have been used over and over again by musicians through hundreds of years mostly for the same reasons why musicians write today: money,
@drewrockz The words are taken from the Catholic Requiem Mass. I don't agree that Mozart wrote music just for money. You can't listen to his Requiem and believe that for one second.
@Elainelps0421 I didn't say that. I said, "I doubt he was writing this solely to glorify God." I just found it to be somewhat odd that the top-rated comment on this song involved the difference in modern and classical music, specifically, the dichotomy between today's "corrupt" music and the prolific production of religious compositions in the 19th century. My point was, humanity is just as greedy and self-obsessed whether within the past or present; the difference lies in his medium.
@Elainelps0421 Absolutely! If you do something just for money, you care about getting the most money for the least work. Efficiency is important, because if you do it *just* for money, you're hoping to spend your money on something else that's more interesting. But people who do this kind of creative stuff live their work (not just geniuses like Mozart, but more normal artists, engineers, scientists, too).
@aspro444 You make some good points, my friend. I'm a middle school orchestra teacher. Most people think I'm nuts for teaching in a middle school. I really love it, though, and sometimes feel guilty for taking a paycheck. Trust me, there are days when I pull my hair out, though, and maybe some days I am nuts. But regardless of one's motivation, I find it hard to believe that people who are really good at something can do it just for money.. but I suppose there are some out there like that.
To me I like a slower tempo With more recitatives
geiadude 1 week ago
the top comment says there was only 1 dislike in the last 3 months. Rock on, Mozie!
Debestcioiseva 3 weeks ago
magnifico
ipyrox 1 month ago 2
Imagine how music would have evolved if Mozart lived to 70.
It kills me inside to think that the greatest musical gift ever given to the world was taken away so soon.
MatthewJMiskin 1 month ago 6
@MatthewJMiskin The light that burns twice as bright, burns for half as long.
makedonija11 2 weeks ago
this is the song that my secret island base's self destruct system plays during detonation.
Fredrickthedarklord 1 month ago 15
i love it at this tempo
rayanneflowers 1 month ago
for some reason I cant find a version of the requiem with both the Confutatis AND the Lacrimosa.. people are more concerned with Dies Irae (which is also completely mind blowing!) most beautiful and sorrowful music ever composed. No one can beat Mozart although there are some amazing composers in our own time :)
jphelps1709 1 month ago
OH and also , the pupil said no way I can't complete this so he used Mozart's notes and redid part of the earlier music in the end parts and wound it up that way. So it is Mozart's work all through butnot as Mozart would have finished it if he had lived....
flowforms 2 months ago
YES, YES I KNOW THAT!!! YOU WROTE THAT?!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! He did.
lol
Wayfinder2013 2 months ago 2
@Wayfinder2013 hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahha:]
TheApplesauce57 1 month ago
Youtube is full of superlatives: "The best composer ever", "The best singer ever", "The most". But let's say this clearly. Mozart was and is the Best composer of all times. And his requiem, the most subliminal piece of all. Simple. Period.
aricy1 2 months ago 2
@aricy1 Yessssssssssssssssssssssssss.
marysylvie2011 1 month ago
@aricy1 Bach
goatsmetallica 1 month ago
Mozart's Requiem is so haunting and terrifying. Was he actually composing this when he was dying? 'Cause it sure sounds like it :S
Grgory58 2 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@Grgory58 yes...
SkittlesLoveMyHair 2 months ago
@SkittlesLoveMyHair bitch
Grgory58 2 months ago
@Grgory58 What? he was.
SkittlesLoveMyHair 2 months ago
@Grgory58 yes he was basically. Ttho the Salieri movie was historical rubbish Mozart was visited by a man in a black mask who gave him lots of money to write a Requiem. Mozart was not only ill but also very poor then. He died before it was completed. His wife got a pupil (NOT Salieri) to complete it and sold it to the black mask guy for the balance of the due amount. It turned out that the Reqiuem was performed but some aristocrat as his own and only history later found it was Mozart's !
flowforms 2 months ago
It's beautiful.
zzangzone91 2 months ago
John Eliot Gardner is just simply genius.
monmouthtopguy 2 months ago
Bless Mozart for arguably the most sublime Masterpiece ever written.
bootheven 2 months ago
4:42 what is that???
Jailbreak1247 2 months ago
@Jailbreak1247
It´s a Baroque Trumpet.
90Einstein 2 months ago
@Jailbreak1247 It´s a Baroque Trumpet.
90Einstein 2 months ago
Jes, the Requiem isn´t bad all in all. The Lacrimosa is devine, but i know why it´s devine. It isn´t from Mozart. It was writtem by a Student of him (Franz Xaver Süßmay(e)r). Only the first 8 measures are from Mozart, as the last thoughts which he has written down. So don´t thank Mozart. Be happy, that he didn´t finished it, it would never sound so powefull than.
Thank Süßmayer, fpr one good piece "by" Mozart.
90Einstein 3 months ago
@90Einstein
Requiem aeternam: complete
Kyrie eleison: vocal parts complete; bass line with figures (to indicate how the harmony should be filled out); orchestral parts sketched in here and there
Sequence: same as the Kyrie eleison, through measure 8 of the Lacrimosa
Offertory: same as the Kyrie and Sequence
Sanctus: not composed
Benedictus: not composed
Osanna: not composed
Agnus Dei: apparently not composed
Communio: apparently not composed
lucioscp3 2 months ago
@lucioscp3 but some people say that "Agnus Dei" was completed by Mozart himself. So not only the first 8 measures like you said(only Lacrimosa)
lucioscp3 2 months ago
@90Einstein Suessmeyer had truly learned all from Mozart and he felt the music and Mozart's way of composing, he lived with him and even had a sexual relationship with Mozart's wife. He was very close to Mozart like a son. But Mozart is still a genius. And Suessmeyer is probably, too.
KennyReddwooddforest 2 months ago
Make me feel afraid playing this song in the middle of the night and looking the moon
skebenq 3 months ago
Sorry, but this recording just doesn't capture the forceful majesty of this piece -- I imagine it is the acoustics and not the performance. Just not enough of the powerful bass and lower registers present to give it the powerful presence that Mozart created in this requiem mass. For a full English translation, may I suggest: st matthews dot com forward slash choir forward slash mozartsrequiem dot htm
chaliceguard 3 months ago
240p... so sad, it's like drinking best champagne in a paper bottle... Mozart needs a FLAC version
djktana 3 months ago 2
Mozart, gênio da humanidade. Humano, demasiado humano.
Ah, quem foi Salieri?
Armando1735 4 months ago
You guys are aware that the Master dies just into the A-voices of Lacrimosa?
Konfutatis and first part of L is death in notes. Makes you just....
Brukernavn9735 4 months ago
i wish they uploaded it in higher resolution.
sweeney665 4 months ago
Confutatis maledictis,
Flammis acribus addictis,
Voca me cum benedictis.
Oro supplex et acclinis,
Cor contritum quasi cinis,
Gere curam mei finis.
The Music of God.
HawkZen 4 months ago
Hier krijg ik kippenvel van, dit is zo onwaarschijnlijk mooi!!!!
Sleepinbird 4 months ago
Youtube does this tune no justice.
barrydeez 4 months ago
57 People are Salieri's fans
GUGSSS235 4 months ago 48
@GUGSSS235
Hey, Salieri was a good composer. It's just that Mozart was a billion times better than him.
foojuice101 4 months ago
@foojuice101 I perfectly know it..I did know Salieri before seeing "Amadeus", because of his music not because of a story which can be true or not.
Anyway I just tried to say how stupid can people be for not understanding such an astonishing music like Mozart's one, which anybody can understand for its clearness. Stupid like people who think Salieri was just as he appeared in the movie, I'm not among those people :) (Hope I wrote everything correctly, I'm italian).
GUGSSS235 4 months ago
@GUGSSS235 /facepalm
WTBbboyNAME 1 month ago
Franz Xaver Süssmayr finished the Requiem using Mozart´s instructions. Mozart only completed the Introitus, Kyrie and Dies Irae. The rest of the Sequentia was unfinished in its instrumental part, except the Lacrimosa that was also incompleted in the vocal part.
entrandoaltrapo 4 months ago
I remember hearing this piece in one of the movies about Mozart. It was playing in the background in the really depressing ending
foojuice101 4 months ago
always gives me shivers when I listen to it...such magnificence...to feel the soul of a man expressing itself in such a way...to feel the internal turmoil and to give yourself in to it and completely feel it... Mozart was a genius... touched by the Divine...however sad it is that he did not write it completely, you can still feel his essence...
TheMissWildShow 4 months ago in playlist Mozarts Requiem
It was Joseph Eybler who helped Mozart finish the Requiem, but it has Mozart written all over it.
Stukov16 4 months ago
What's sad is that Mozart actually wrote only a small portion of this piece. It is assumed that his precocious student was attuned to his style and compositional designs enough to complete it in a close enough manner humanly possible at that time to his own thoughts. Still, I am curious as to what would actually have come out of Mozart's own pen.
the81stviewer 4 months ago
Then you listen to this, and you ask yourself why all teenagers listen to shit music.
marcoooootje1 5 months ago 2
@marcoooootje1 cuz it's what's popular right now and it's what's geared to them. not really hard to understand nor should it be a surprise..
Smiilez03 5 months ago
@marcoooootje1 I'm a teenager and I adore this
318enrico 4 months ago
@318enrico That means you have a better taste in music than most of your fellows ^^
marcoooootje1 4 months ago
Until one has heard Mozart's requiem they cannot fully surmise the artful power of music.
Havelneft 5 months ago
Tarja turunen copied this in the youtube video I Walk Alone
Lasadialarwen 5 months ago
this confutatis part is too short!!!^^
skaterfugater 5 months ago
Merveilleux
Blestheme 5 months ago
The suggestion that this mass was never intended to be performed at an actual funeral is incorrect. It was commissioned by Count Franz von Walsegg precisely for that purpose and performed as such in Feb 1792 (for his wife). A FULL requiem mass (Missa pro defunctis) - as opposed to a simple funeral rite - is vast (they usually last at least 2 hours) and the elements Mozart scored (Kyrie, Sanctus, Dies Irae etc) are all indispensible in any requiem mass (whether set to music or not).
zzquick69 5 months ago
ES REALMENTE MARAVILLOSA ME PONE LA PIEL DE GALLINA! ♥♥
9lucine 5 months ago
Lacrimosa at 2:15
joea64 6 months ago in playlist Requiem in D Minor, Mozart 2
Music is the only language on Earth that is the same everywhere. You can read a score written by a Chinese composer and conduct it in a Russian orchestra in the US.
It belongs not only to humanity. It belongs every creature on Earth. It belongs to the sound itself.
Lmanyakaa 6 months ago 2
I am not Christian but I listen to this or any other reuqiems of Mozart, fugues of Bach, ode to joy, hallelujah chorus... I mean, music may be created for a religion or a nationality... But at the end, it belongs to whole humanity... This is why music is beyond religions and races...
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yobigbrotheronline 6 months ago
I turned on Mozart on my ipod and tried turning on Genius. The ipod simply replied "Duh!"
jpflo64 7 months ago 68
@jpflo64 Actually Mozart only actually worked on a portion of this piece, and it was finished by his pupil.
SQLinjected 4 months ago
@jpflo64 *grins* ^^
chizoioioi 1 month ago
I still agree with geiadude. The tempo is to high. Yes, this is a conversation with god - but nevertheless it is written for a funeral, to move the collective of the attending. I have heard many versions of this piece, which achieve that goal far better than this.
jamme1011 7 months ago
@jamme1011 This is a concert Requiem and never meant to be performed at an actual funeral in its entirety. It uses the words of a Catholic funeral Mass, but it is not a substitute for an actual funeral Mass.
Elainelps0421 6 months ago
@Elainelps0421 It can be done at a Funeral Mass, it is completely valid and legal to do so. If it was done in the context of a traditional latin mass it is even better.
VAGONIUS 5 months ago
@VAGONIUS Sure, it CAN be, but they are not written for that purpose. Requiems of this nature are composed to be performed as a concert piece. Parts of them can be used at an actual Requeim Mass or funeral mass or service, but not as a whole as a form of worship.
Elainelps0421 5 months ago
@Elainelps0421 I assure you I am knowledgeable on this. It can be done. I have participated in Mozart's Vespers of the confessor. Since Mozart's Requiem is complete, it can be done as long as all the Ordinary and Propers are done according to the rubrics, anything that is missing is to be done in Gregorian chant. How this works at least in the Traditional Latin Mass is that the priest will say the requiem propers and ordinary and the chorus will sing the same part using Mozart.
VAGONIUS 5 months ago
@VAGONIUS You'll excuse me if I have my doubts? I just know for a fact that concert requiems are meant to be performed at concerts, not as Requiem Masses.
Elainelps0421 5 months ago
@Elainelps0421 I know, because I am a Masters of Ceremony, and we have done a Mozart's Vespers of the Confessor in the context of an actual Catholic worship. I would like the citation of that claim because nothing in the 1962 General rubrics of Roman Missal the forbids that unless I can be corrected. Again, it is simple, the entire Mozart Requiem has to be done according to the Rubrics, that means the priest says the entire ordinary and propers.
VAGONIUS 5 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Actually, Elainelps0421, I don't believe that the idea of a so-called "performance mass" had yet come into existence. In Mozart's day, Church music was merely that--Church music. Indeed, the piece was commissioned by Count Franz von Walsegg for a requiem Mass.
sambalamification 4 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@sambalamification Believe what you want. I studied it as part of my bachelor's and master's program.
Elainelps0421 4 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Well, I understand what you're saying. I just wonder why you would say this was intended to be a performance mass. Wikipedia cites the Oxford Companion to Music as stating in its article on the subject that "the distinction between concert masses and those intended for liturgical use...[came] into play as the 19th century progressed." That's what I'd believed ever since I started composing my first mass last year.
sambalamification 4 months ago
An entire Mozart Requiem can be used in a Traditional Latin Mass. Same with Faure's Requiem, the only thing with his Mass is that it is not complete therefore the gregorian chant must be used to complete the missing parts.
VAGONIUS 5 months ago
The tempo was to high. This is a requiem. The mood need's to be somber.
geiadude 7 months ago
@geiadude not in this movement.
sstuddert 7 months ago
@geiadude This may be a requiem on paper, but what Mozart wrote transcends the form of a simple dirge. This is a musical and spiritual collective of the people speaking directly at God. This was the voice of humanity, alternately pleading, screaming, wheedling and finally accepting Death, driven by the greatest music ever written.
This is a conversation. One sided, sure, but a conversation with God nonetheless. A conversation has a pace. The restraint shown here adds to Death's gravitas.
in4merATP 7 months ago 4
@geiadude Gardiner is an expert in baroque and classicism. He knows the best suitable tempo.
Dodo251 7 months ago
in my opinion the lacrimosa is played a little bit too fast... the confutatis is very good tough
Bunnysinger 7 months ago
54 people are Salieri fans xD
Chihiro961 7 months ago 2
LOL no! i dont want to see the horse when the violins play the most intense part of the requiem!
sjkjyt 7 months ago
I'm not for 100% sure, but doesn't "Gere curam mei finis" mean "Guide my sorrow to an end" or "Bring my sorrow to an end"?
42TheGamer 7 months ago
@42TheGamer i think it means: take care of my ending
Doika86 7 months ago
@Doika86 Yes, yes. You're right. As "mei" is a possessive pronoun applied to "finis" not to "curam" it isn't "Bring my sorrow to an end" but "Bring sorrow to my end". As a closer result you're right and it means "take care of my ending" and in a further interpretation it means "help me in my final hour". Thank you very much for helping me.
42TheGamer 7 months ago
@42TheGamer lol i see your'e a latin student.. i passed through that too in high school (i'm italian)
but i didnt find it very interesting.. i wish i had listened to this kind of music earlier tho... it makes it much more compelling to try to understand the meaning of the lyrics
Doika86 7 months ago
Little error in the info: It's "voca me cum benedictis", not "cum benedictus".
Silmacar 7 months ago
@Silmacar and consigned to the searing flames,
Voca me cum benedictus.
call me to be with the blessed.
Oro supplex et acclinis,
see I copied this from the dooblidoo, you have an error in your info, learn how to read xD
121anthony121 7 months ago
holy shit!!!! O.O
beastbubblegum 7 months ago
Best requiem of the world
FXIX 8 months ago 23
Mozart really didn't die young at 35. Life expectancy was only 10 years older at the time. Don't confuse real medicine we have today with leaches and bleeding they used then. It sure isn't dark age music and much of it is really starting to pick up a beat.
XGalaxy4U 8 months ago
@XGalaxy4U and somehow Bach managed to live up to the age of 65 lol
4hm3dimr4n 8 months ago 2
@4hm3dimr4n Also, Vivaldi managed to live up to the age of 63.
HerlockSholmes123 7 months ago
Egg
jimmyhayers 8 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
Kudos to the choir singing without sheet music. A difficult thing to do. It takes a very well trained and confident choir to be able to pull this off.. Bravo to them.
aa4285 8 months ago 3
I am so glad they made "Amadeus" with Tom Hulce and F Murray Abraham so many years ago. That movie exposed Mozart's genius to a whole new series of generations. My daughter first saw it when she was about 12, and today still listens to his music (and the other classis masters as well), as do most of her friends.
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diptdipt 8 months ago
Can you imagine the music Mozart would have created had he lived a normal lifespan?
Elainelps0421 8 months ago 2
@Elainelps0421 thats kinda hard to say. it has 1 of two options: 1) he becomes 1,000,000 times greater than he already is or 2) he ruins his own credibility and isnt as beloved as he is now. its kinda like, you die young and people pay more attention but live a full life span and once you fade into obscurity in the later years, so does your legacy
MountieVision 8 months ago
@MountieVision I don't know....maybe you're right...but I think in the best possible worlds, he would have been unbelievably creative and changed the face and course of classical music as we know it ... but that can be said for any great composer...had they lived and produced longer than the reality of their unique situations.
Elainelps0421 8 months ago
good
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mdcombs79 9 months ago
I wish this was played at the Royal Wedding
fredsassy5 9 months ago
@fredsassy5 that would be highly inappropriate.
carpedium123 8 months ago
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HerlockSholmes123 8 months ago
@fredsassy5 Not really appropriate. This is about death, and the end of life. Not suitable for a wedding!
adam4757 1 month ago 2
Yo nací y se hacia esto, en diciembre del 91... Ahora yo lo estoy aprendiendo! EcXELENTE MOZART! GENIO!
saroteff 9 months ago
I dont like Mozart so much...but this work is just amazing!!and the Confutatis is the work of a genius!
NiclasThobaben 9 months ago
@NiclasThobaben How could you not like Mozart!?!?!?!
jamesmanortiz 8 months ago
@jamesmanortiz i said i dont like him so much. For me the most of his works sound very equal, but there are a lot of pieces i really like, especially the requiem, symphony no.41, 40 and more.
NiclasThobaben 8 months ago
HerlockSholmes123 8 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 :-D yes, thanks. I know...I'm very interested in Music so I know also othe works by him. But i prefer other music. Like baroque, romantic, impressionismus (i dont know the english word for it) and filmmusic, and also music from the renaissance. But like i said this work here is so great!
I also think that mozarts music goes better when he was older...His Zauberflöte is a masterpiece as well...
NiclasThobaben 8 months ago
@NiclasThobaben I love Baroque and Romantic as well. And yeah, Mozart's music did get better as he got older.
By the way, I hope my lack of using commas in the previous comment didn't confuse you.
HerlockSholmes123 8 months ago
@NiclasThobaben Why don't you like Mozart? I think he's brilliant at everything he wrote. His symphonies are highly unique, his operas are the most performed operas in the world, his choral music speaks for itself here, and his concertos are beautiful. I just can't see how you can't like him!
adam4757 8 months ago
@adam4757 Sorry for my opinion, But I prefer Bach, Händel, Tschaikowsky, Wagner, Debussy, Satie, John Wlliams, Howard Shore...Do you see what I mean? I'm not classic fan...
NiclasThobaben 8 months ago
esta es la parte mas algida del requien ...!!!
HAMENKLAVIER480 9 months ago
MOZART GENIUS IN PERSON
MrYANKYL 9 months ago 50
The Lacrimosa way too fast. It feels so rushed that it takes the whole beauty away from the piece and makes it seem like Gardiner just wanted to finish it as soon as he can and get fucking done with it. I prefer Leonard Bernstein's version over this crap.
HerlockSholmes123 9 months ago
I bet most of the people who sang for this is dead. x)
ImposterrCA 9 months ago
53 maledicti confutati sunt flammis acribus addictique!
masnedwos 9 months ago 4
Populi de 53 non sunt vocere cum benedicti.
ComposerJMA 9 months ago
That's a cool horse statue.
letsride84 9 months ago
It's "voca me cum benedictis" (i.e. "the blessed" in plural) not "benedictus" (singular)... ending in "-is" just like all the other lines in Confutatis.
kisslas 9 months ago
hihì_ÁÑY_gÙYs_wànt_tÕ_chåt_wÎth_mE
BabyoRonaij464 10 months ago
53 People were "Consigned to Flames of Woe."
jawhitfield1992 10 months ago 70
@jawhitfield1992 theyre 587 now. shouting at the flames of woe. :)
Archraveful 5 months ago
@jawhitfield1992 wow, i accidentally pressed the thumbs down button, but i really do like this comment.not sure why itmatters just thought i wouldlet you know, lol
stemocro 5 months ago
Can't wait for April 8th @ Athens Megaron!
manoskok 10 months ago 2
@manoskok I'll be there too! Yay!
twolionss 9 months ago
@ mixerleo - i like that idea. but i think if there was a god ( which there isnt) he would definitely choose Wagner for his funeral - Mozart is too joyful, even here. Wanger has the edge with grandeur and sardonic majesty :) check out sir george solti conducting tannhauser here on yt - awesome!!!!
cbravery 10 months ago
@cbravery Joyful?!?! No... this is supposed to invoke feelings of TERROR with the men's parts, then SAD pleas for help and salvation from the women, which is then repeated for effect. Lastly, there is resignation with the "oro..." Then, the Lacrimosa is basically supposed to make you cry your eyes out.
alexalmasan 9 months ago
52 idiotas
laantube 10 months ago
Magnificient, as always.
CPMariner 10 months ago
@Busseto what do you expect with four different composers?
chriswhiting7 10 months ago
preciós!
Nietzbert 10 months ago
God's Judgement!!!!!
Archraveful 10 months ago
@Archraveful Finally!
yuirrr 10 months ago
Its is such a master piece and a great work of John Eliot Gardiner's. Amazing !
jediardeth 10 months ago
This dvd used to be available on Amazon. Now I can't find it.......where can I buy it?
rafkny 10 months ago
confutatis is piu presto
theoklas 10 months ago
cofutatis is piu presto, but lacrimosa is perfect
theoklas 10 months ago
Definitely the best Confutatis esecution I've ever heard.
Bravo!
Bennymakeup 10 months ago
Wolfgang Johannes Chrysostomus Theophilus(Amadeus) Mozart.
Dodo251 11 months ago
@Dodo251 That's completely not true... There's no way, because Chrysostomus and Theophilys are Greek names, meaning 'golden mouth' and 'friend of God'.. And Mozart was... German? or Austrian? Anyway, his full name isn't Wolfgang Johannes Chrysostomus Theophilus Amadeus Mozart...
wordgal14 9 months ago
@wordgal14 Hm, yes it is, it's a well known fact Mozart had four names. Check it out.
Dodo251 9 months ago
@wordgal14
austria was part of the holy roman empire at the time
greatworkteam 9 months ago
@wordgal14 Sure his full name was Johannes Chrysostomus T. A. Mozart. But he prefered to be called Wolfgang Amadé or Amadeus. The fact that Chrysostomus and Theophilus is Greek is redundant, the majority of names come form Latin, Greek, Hebrew (e.g. Michael, Daniel, Claudia, John (=Johannes) etc.)
deei2 9 months ago
This is absolutely the best performance of Lacrimosa I have ever heard.
in4merATP 11 months ago
@in4merATP I agree :)
Leridian 11 months ago
I think it coul be slower...but it's my opinion. Anyway, a masterpiece :D
KSCO7 11 months ago
Kind of dificult YOU play this music in your own funeral don't you think?
sebastianrc 11 months ago 3
@sebastianrc haha.. love these kinda comments..
Workhard1994 11 months ago 2
dont worry ill find a way its not that... hard
azerothblood 10 months ago
@DarkRose771 I Love metal and Mozart. Music isn't so much a Good Vs. Bad matter as it is that of personal taste, like food.
melancholicangel 11 months ago 2
Goosebumps all over, wonderfull!
Dorutka 11 months ago
@DarkRose771 First of all, why do you hate country, and second of all, yes, you can love classical music and death metal at the same time.
Arfat 11 months ago
This performance is so mechanical you might as well have a computer generated performance. There's no passion, its all in time with no rubato or emotion.
aarandir 11 months ago
@aarandir rubato? In the classical style? You think rubato is the method to produce passion and emotion? Rubato would be as out of place here as Chopin being performed by a kazoo choir.
Elainelps0421 11 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Chopin performed by a kazoo choir...that would be interesting...
KSCO7 11 months ago
@KSCO7 There's probably a video of that somewhere on YouTube :)
Elainelps0421 11 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Yes. What I mean't was a bit more slower and more intense, rather than mechanical and so on the beat. I'm not sure if this is a new concept to you but generally speaking (I think) music is quite emotional? One expects to hear it with a bit more sentiment and with an emotional range greater than the one heard here.
aarandir 11 months ago
@aarandir Rubato was not prevalent in the classical period and would be terribly out of place in this requiem. I've heard it performed with a great deal of rubato; also terribly slow... so out of place for the time period. There is no "norm" with Mozart. He was creative and on the cutting edge. His genius was how inventive he was and yet he managed to function within the realm of the classical structure. His requiem had a fervency which required a moving forward..not a slowing down.
Elainelps0421 11 months ago
@Elainelps0421 I know rubato was a more a romantic era practice, I already admitted that, I meant it would be more suitable if it was slower not "terribly slow". This performance is far too fast. They might as well add a techno beat to it and start raving. One can feel it is too fast, something which expresses so much sorrow begs to be played slower.
aarandir 11 months ago 2
How can a human being NOT like such a music ?...
kinishao1 1 year ago 4
@kinishao1 because those people prefer pop culture lol.
battylashes 1 year ago
Back after the long weekend to teach my high school students today...
Rough, as they are tired and have Final Exams this week.
THIS MUSIC centers me. THIS MUSIC is a PEACE in my hectic life.
What talent! I play this for my students, I hope that soon they will see the value that I see...
Thank you for posting
sheracad 1 year ago 3
Timpani music for requiem= Easy!! sight read it for a orchestra concert at school
HELLO9562 1 year ago
@HELLO9562 its timpani, whatd ya expect
ShipsAreBurned 1 year ago
Why don't they make masterpieces like this anymore
ismailmaat 1 year ago
Musicians in this time period wrote songs about God because the church was one of their few means of financial advancement. Granted, Mozart is brilliant at capturing sound and emotion that reflects the words, but I doubt he was writing this solely to glorify God. The lyrics have been used over and over again by musicians through hundreds of years mostly for the same reasons why musicians write today: money,
drewrockz 1 year ago
@drewrockz The words are taken from the Catholic Requiem Mass. I don't agree that Mozart wrote music just for money. You can't listen to his Requiem and believe that for one second.
Elainelps0421 1 year ago
@Elainelps0421 I didn't say that. I said, "I doubt he was writing this solely to glorify God." I just found it to be somewhat odd that the top-rated comment on this song involved the difference in modern and classical music, specifically, the dichotomy between today's "corrupt" music and the prolific production of religious compositions in the 19th century. My point was, humanity is just as greedy and self-obsessed whether within the past or present; the difference lies in his medium.
drewrockz 1 year ago
@drewrockz Okay.
Elainelps0421 1 year ago
@Elainelps0421 Absolutely! If you do something just for money, you care about getting the most money for the least work. Efficiency is important, because if you do it *just* for money, you're hoping to spend your money on something else that's more interesting. But people who do this kind of creative stuff live their work (not just geniuses like Mozart, but more normal artists, engineers, scientists, too).
Do you live for your work or work for money?
aspro444 1 year ago
@aspro444 You make some good points, my friend. I'm a middle school orchestra teacher. Most people think I'm nuts for teaching in a middle school. I really love it, though, and sometimes feel guilty for taking a paycheck. Trust me, there are days when I pull my hair out, though, and maybe some days I am nuts. But regardless of one's motivation, I find it hard to believe that people who are really good at something can do it just for money.. but I suppose there are some out there like that.
Elainelps0421 1 year ago
Emociona pensar que la última nota escrita por Mozart,corresponde a 1:15.
paradoxicus 1 year ago