A "volunteer" army is just as coercive as a civilian army. Sure the volunteer army is optional, but the choice is between starving to death or becoming part of some new government program, because when your dollars are drafted, the only thing left to do is to try and get them back. So in effect, both you and your money are drafted in a civilian army, same as with conscription.
I have noticed that the people who scream the loudest about protecting our liberties by force of arms always want someone else's child to do the dirty work.
They won't lift a finger to protect their own liberties.
Our citizens become more selfish and self centered with each new generation.
I long for the days when men like our WWII Veterans were willing to do what's right and not what's in the best interest of their pocketbooks.
John Murtha is a damm crook and as a Vietnam era veteran who spent 2 years in Asia I consider him to be anti-American. He should be impeached for the corruption & grossly wasteful spending on his little private airport.
why would anyone want to fight for this country we keep letting illegal aliens come in and over populate they get all their medical stuff paid for and they treat us like crap and dont help us if we need it.i would never let my children join the service.
Just another Democrat I will not support. Funny how the Democrats are shooting off all these ideas for the draft and national service while saying Bush or McCain are looking to reinstate the draft.
this is the same man who slandered and trashtalked our marines 8 of which have been acquitted calling them murderers and convicting them on television in his mind b4 there was even a trial started
1st off murtha is a fuckin piece of shit. 2nd off if there's a draft people who don't give 2 shits about this country will be sent over and do half ass jobs and will get people killed. i do agree with him saying the military is a good place to build character but it's not for everyone. 50 years ago 80% on congressmen served, today only about 3% did. john murtha can suck my cock. i'd rather fight next to 1 guy who wants to be there and 2000 who don't
The draft defines how serious we are. We should never go to war without a draft. The first to go should be the President's kids, then every employee and every elected official from every level of government.
If the child of a government worker is medically deferred, or washed out, parents loose their jobs!
Postal workers or a street sweeper's, if you don't want your kids to fight, you should never make a cent from taxpayer's money. Same should apply to anyone receiving welfare, or in jail.
It's not about killing. It's about discipline, building character, and instilling love of country in young people that nowadays don't care about anything except text-messaging and American Idol...
It's not about killing. It's about discipline, building character, and instilling love of country in young people that nowadays don't care about anything except text-messaging and American Idol...
I am a girl so I wouldn't be drafted anyway but I don't think it's fair to force people to kill it's not right and if they ever try to make women serve I'll leave this country and go to canada. And if anyone trys to take my family away from me I will go to jail.
If you voted for Bush in 04', and you're not in uniform, go shoot yourself. Because if you're for this war, but you're not over there, or in the reserves getting ready to go over there, then you're a liar, a hypocrite, and most importantly a coward.
What? Scared? I fully support a modified draft, where EVERYONE would serve in the Reserves, (branch of their choice), one weekend a month, two weeks per year. EVERYONE goes to Basic Training at age 18, and EVERYONE gets to realize what it takes to serve our country and be a good citizen. I am tired of all these chickenshits who want all the privileges but none of the obligations, and that includes you, crash9551. Maybe that would help reduce the rates of crime and general gangsterish behavior...
It's not about killing. It's about discipline, building character, and instilling love of country in young people that nowadays don't care about anything except text-messaging and American Idol...
FUCK THAT STUPID PRICK.. By god if i don't wanna register for the fucking draft i sure as hell aint gonna. the fuck they gonna do about it. fuck bush, fuck the government, fuck the SSS, FUCK YOU ALL. try commin to my front door and making me put that damn uniform on my back. i'll go to jail if i have to.
ummm thats bullshit. How would u like to be slaves to some fucking muslem terrorit sandnigger bastards because that what would happen if we had more niggers like you in this country u fucking communist bastard
As a vet, I say this is bullshit. Drafting only means you are forced to serve the whims of maniacs. No thanks. I thought my country was "Land of the FREE". Also, when I work in a foreign country, the US taxes me when I return, as if I am US property because I just happened to be born here. Also B.S. As a citizen of the US, you are essentially a slave, incapable of escape unless you renounce citizenship. I never asked to be owned or born in this country and it should not count against me.
john murtha is a disgrace to this country and to the marine corp. he has done his best to use this war as a tool to try and get more political positions for his suck ass democratic (communist) party. hey john where's your turban you no good sorry Islamic loving piece of shit.
Of course there should be a draft. Should have from the beginning of the Invasion of Iraq. You won't find a single one of these CHICKENHAWK republicans volunteering. Our armed services are comprised of the poorest of our nation NOT sons of Repube politicians and rich contributors, not a one.
The only way to get the CHICKENHAWKS to fight is to DRAFT them!!!!
show your facts SFB your opinion is not worth the crap that you flush down the toilet. ALl I know is if it wasn't for the good men who do volunteer you probably wouldn't be able to spout off your crap.
"From 2003 to 2005, the representation of the highest-income quintile rose 0.68 percentage point, from 22.17 percent to 22.85 percent. As conflict in Iraq continues, youth from wealthy areas continue to volunteer for duty despite increased risk." -Tim Kane Phd, Center for Data Analysis.
In this day and age it is not needed. YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE INTO A PROFESSION THEY DON'T WANT! Why can't this fatass coward understand that. All the countries in Europe have Great armies the have high standards because they are small and highly trained. If we turn into Russia (Forced conscription) imagine what will happen? It'll be a debacle of epic proportions.
Now, I'm all for sending the war supporters to go fight. Unfortunately, if the draft was reinstated it wouldn't be a fair draft. Our president is a perfect example of what happens with that. If the draft came back all the rich kids's parents would just use their connections to get them out of it.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. ~ 13th Amendment
If conscription comes, march against your fascist government. Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Oh yeah, they never existed in the first place. These Halliburton Nazis have gone too far!!!!
When it is presented that blacks and hispanics make up a disproportionate amount of the army, is that a statement as to the patriotism of the minorities. Last time I checked it was a volunteer military. If not patriotism then it is a biggoted statement indicaing that blacks and hispanics can't make it in th civilian world. Although in the end it is not a disproportionate ratio of blacks and hispanics in the military.
Many of the democrats want to reinstate the draft; but they want to send our troops to fight new wars Darfur, Kosovo, Liberia, and Somalia rather than finish up in Afganistan and Iraq.
You'll never win in Afghanistan. No one has. America can't win a guerilla war. The people that live their will only join the rebellion against the Americans. The only people that are winning are Halliburton and Lockheed Martin. They've planned this war for years and the American people are their pawns.
If the retarded chimp you call a leader drops nukes it will wipe out his oil pipelines that Halliburton controls in Afghanistan. Also, detonating nuclear weapons will further accelerate the melting of the polar ice caps, flooding every coastline not only in your precious little USA but also every other coastal city throughout the world. Dropping a bomb on an Afghani citizen will only make he/she hate America. By trying to kill terrorists, you have only created more.
When I told everyone before the election, that Rangel ran around in every black and hispanic nabe scaring folks that Bush would re-instate the draft, I told them it was Rangel himself that was bringing it back up for the second time... no one believed me. Google Rangel draft bill. He lied and said it was a protest bill. I ask, with the way troops are getting treated, there will be no re-enlistment... they know that, hence a draft.
THE ONLY THING MORE DANGEROUS THAN A STANDING ARMY IS A BANKING CARTEL!!! And we have both!
mizzoulibertarian 2 years ago
A "volunteer" army is just as coercive as a civilian army. Sure the volunteer army is optional, but the choice is between starving to death or becoming part of some new government program, because when your dollars are drafted, the only thing left to do is to try and get them back. So in effect, both you and your money are drafted in a civilian army, same as with conscription.
guyjohn59 2 years ago
I have noticed that the people who scream the loudest about protecting our liberties by force of arms always want someone else's child to do the dirty work.
They won't lift a finger to protect their own liberties.
Our citizens become more selfish and self centered with each new generation.
I long for the days when men like our WWII Veterans were willing to do what's right and not what's in the best interest of their pocketbooks.
RoadCaptainEntertain 2 years ago
I would fight to protect "our civil liberties". Who is a threat to "our civil liberties"? Not Iran, Not Saddam. They did not pass the patriot act.
mizzoulibertarian 2 years ago
John Murtha is a damm crook and as a Vietnam era veteran who spent 2 years in Asia I consider him to be anti-American. He should be impeached for the corruption & grossly wasteful spending on his little private airport.
crusades0917 2 years ago
FUCK THAT SHIT I bet 90% of the people that actually voted for this never actually fought for ANYTHING so wtf have THEY done for their country!?
ShadowBlazer19 3 years ago
why would anyone want to fight for this country we keep letting illegal aliens come in and over populate they get all their medical stuff paid for and they treat us like crap and dont help us if we need it.i would never let my children join the service.
99988743 3 years ago
They wont put their hands on any of my kids to serve in Obama's marxist New World Order!!!
VolunteerRifleman 3 years ago
Another perfect example of an idiot in a government office, this guy should be working in Mcdonalds
convertibleboy 3 years ago
Just another Democrat I will not support. Funny how the Democrats are shooting off all these ideas for the draft and national service while saying Bush or McCain are looking to reinstate the draft.
linusspacehead 3 years ago
You forgot Grandma...
STPfuzzDemon 3 years ago
If the voters in John Murtha's district had even the slightest bit of integrity, they would have him recalled from office immediately.
xnarg 3 years ago
fuck u sir
TheDailyChilled 3 years ago
Fuck this old man!
Californiachik85 3 years ago
this is the same man who slandered and trashtalked our marines 8 of which have been acquitted calling them murderers and convicting them on television in his mind b4 there was even a trial started
the bastard has no regard for the military
Floridanon407 3 years ago
I'll start shooting before I'm taken as a slave.
JeffreyRodriguez 3 years ago 2
i'd rather fight next to 1 guy who wants to be there than* 2000 who don't
ehs140 3 years ago
1st off murtha is a fuckin piece of shit. 2nd off if there's a draft people who don't give 2 shits about this country will be sent over and do half ass jobs and will get people killed. i do agree with him saying the military is a good place to build character but it's not for everyone. 50 years ago 80% on congressmen served, today only about 3% did. john murtha can suck my cock. i'd rather fight next to 1 guy who wants to be there and 2000 who don't
ehs140 3 years ago
u know what we shouldnt have "a select few" making laws for us
DGr8Strategist 3 years ago
murtha is right we should do everything like china or USSR and north korea. vote commrad OBAMA08
mike1111qq 3 years ago 2
lol thats funny man
DGr8Strategist 3 years ago
ok, but you first murtha
jd69832004 3 years ago
Me first.
DEATHoB4oDISHONOR 3 years ago
The draft defines how serious we are. We should never go to war without a draft. The first to go should be the President's kids, then every employee and every elected official from every level of government.
If the child of a government worker is medically deferred, or washed out, parents loose their jobs!
Postal workers or a street sweeper's, if you don't want your kids to fight, you should never make a cent from taxpayer's money. Same should apply to anyone receiving welfare, or in jail.
James92802 3 years ago
It's not about killing. It's about discipline, building character, and instilling love of country in young people that nowadays don't care about anything except text-messaging and American Idol...
rockinraffi 3 years ago
Well that's what Boy/girlscouts are for you fucking asshole.
00patty 3 years ago
It's not about killing. It's about discipline, building character, and instilling love of country in young people that nowadays don't care about anything except text-messaging and American Idol...
rockinraffi 3 years ago
I am a girl so I wouldn't be drafted anyway but I don't think it's fair to force people to kill it's not right and if they ever try to make women serve I'll leave this country and go to canada. And if anyone trys to take my family away from me I will go to jail.
animegrrl251994 3 years ago
If you voted for Bush in 04', and you're not in uniform, go shoot yourself. Because if you're for this war, but you're not over there, or in the reserves getting ready to go over there, then you're a liar, a hypocrite, and most importantly a coward.
GrishAnnug 3 years ago 2
and fuck you too
teched246 3 years ago
What? Scared? I fully support a modified draft, where EVERYONE would serve in the Reserves, (branch of their choice), one weekend a month, two weeks per year. EVERYONE goes to Basic Training at age 18, and EVERYONE gets to realize what it takes to serve our country and be a good citizen. I am tired of all these chickenshits who want all the privileges but none of the obligations, and that includes you, crash9551. Maybe that would help reduce the rates of crime and general gangsterish behavior...
rockinraffi 4 years ago
fuck you im not killing anyone
teched246 3 years ago 2
It's not about killing. It's about discipline, building character, and instilling love of country in young people that nowadays don't care about anything except text-messaging and American Idol...
rockinraffi 3 years ago
Murtha is the worst congressman on the Hill, Republician or Democrat.
The Democrats were supposed to FIX WASHINGTON...
someguy5554 4 years ago 2
FUCK THAT STUPID PRICK.. By god if i don't wanna register for the fucking draft i sure as hell aint gonna. the fuck they gonna do about it. fuck bush, fuck the government, fuck the SSS, FUCK YOU ALL. try commin to my front door and making me put that damn uniform on my back. i'll go to jail if i have to.
crash9551 4 years ago
lol you're much nicer than me then.
darkling9109 4 years ago
ummm thats bullshit. How would u like to be slaves to some fucking muslem terrorit sandnigger bastards because that what would happen if we had more niggers like you in this country u fucking communist bastard
lilmike1464 3 years ago
As a vet, I say this is bullshit. Drafting only means you are forced to serve the whims of maniacs. No thanks. I thought my country was "Land of the FREE". Also, when I work in a foreign country, the US taxes me when I return, as if I am US property because I just happened to be born here. Also B.S. As a citizen of the US, you are essentially a slave, incapable of escape unless you renounce citizenship. I never asked to be owned or born in this country and it should not count against me.
Garveergor 4 years ago
citizens army? you communist fat fuck
whiteyonwelfare 4 years ago 2
I support the soldier draft. Draft Bush now!!!
RJWooller 4 years ago
I am agree with you. I am disability, and there is no draft for disabilities. I want men go to war because I can find beautiful woman what I do
want; or flirting with a woman. :)
If you like this war draft, please vote
McCain!
vikingscool 3 years ago
Irey '08
JakeandElwoodBlues 4 years ago
john murtha is a disgrace to this country and to the marine corp. he has done his best to use this war as a tool to try and get more political positions for his suck ass democratic (communist) party. hey john where's your turban you no good sorry Islamic loving piece of shit.
tomcat3454 4 years ago 6
Ron Paul 2008! Peace and freedom!
ChampionofLiberty 4 years ago
Of course there should be a draft. Should have from the beginning of the Invasion of Iraq. You won't find a single one of these CHICKENHAWK republicans volunteering. Our armed services are comprised of the poorest of our nation NOT sons of Repube politicians and rich contributors, not a one.
The only way to get the CHICKENHAWKS to fight is to DRAFT them!!!!
shaire99 4 years ago
show your facts SFB your opinion is not worth the crap that you flush down the toilet. ALl I know is if it wasn't for the good men who do volunteer you probably wouldn't be able to spout off your crap.
tomcat3454 4 years ago
shaire99
"From 2003 to 2005, the representation of the highest-income quintile rose 0.68 percentage point, from 22.17 percent to 22.85 percent. As conflict in Iraq continues, youth from wealthy areas continue to volunteer for duty despite increased risk." -Tim Kane Phd, Center for Data Analysis.
inDmiddle 4 years ago
A citizen army kills our military.
In this day and age it is not needed. YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE INTO A PROFESSION THEY DON'T WANT! Why can't this fatass coward understand that. All the countries in Europe have Great armies the have high standards because they are small and highly trained. If we turn into Russia (Forced conscription) imagine what will happen? It'll be a debacle of epic proportions.
JoeMomma2002 4 years ago 3
@JoeMomma2002 hate to bring up Israel but you must agree they're army is able and it is forced recruiting
rioter43 9 months ago
Is this guy abso-frikkin'-lutely NUTS?
red5llaw 4 years ago
Now, I'm all for sending the war supporters to go fight. Unfortunately, if the draft was reinstated it wouldn't be a fair draft. Our president is a perfect example of what happens with that. If the draft came back all the rich kids's parents would just use their connections to get them out of it.
Scotty7617 4 years ago
Anyone who supports a draft supports slavery.
i2aymond 4 years ago 3
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. ~ 13th Amendment
CyberDurden 4 years ago
If conscription comes, march against your fascist government. Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Oh yeah, they never existed in the first place. These Halliburton Nazis have gone too far!!!!
Payback2007 4 years ago
"It's blacks and hispanics that make up dispropotionate amount of the army."
Not even close, bonehead.
I love it when people post "facts" that they make up out of whole cloth.
Those are not facts, but DELUSIONS.
RonaldEmmis 4 years ago
When it is presented that blacks and hispanics make up a disproportionate amount of the army, is that a statement as to the patriotism of the minorities. Last time I checked it was a volunteer military. If not patriotism then it is a biggoted statement indicaing that blacks and hispanics can't make it in th civilian world. Although in the end it is not a disproportionate ratio of blacks and hispanics in the military.
rlangenbrunner 4 years ago
John Murtha is a scumbag and a piece of shit.
He is an enemy of America and its troops.
Remember that the next time this party of Surrendercrats is up for re-election.
2008, America. Remember to vote out these traitors in 2008.
RonaldEmmis 4 years ago 3
Could you post the full interview
zogg18 4 years ago
Good on Murtha.
fishhead06 4 years ago
If the nations leaders want to send our young people to war, their sons and daughters should lead the way.
Unfortunately, it's always other people's children they send off to die.
The draft won't stop that.
EchelonMonitor 4 years ago
Averitas, are you kidding me? It's blacks and hispanics that make up dispropotionate amount of the army. You fool.
thereallurker 4 years ago
Many of the democrats want to reinstate the draft; but they want to send our troops to fight new wars Darfur, Kosovo, Liberia, and Somalia rather than finish up in Afganistan and Iraq.
AllBobsAllTheTime 4 years ago
Name the Democratic Senator who doesn't want to finish up in Afganistan.
grazon 4 years ago
LOL - yeah, a little hypocritical, aren't they.
AllBobsAllTheTime 4 years ago
I asked you to Name a single Democratic Senator who doesn't want to finish up in Afganistan.
grazon 4 years ago
And I said a little hypocritical, aren't they.
AllBobsAllTheTime 4 years ago
Last I checked we went into Afganistan to get Osama.
grazon 4 years ago
Among other things.
AllBobsAllTheTime 4 years ago
You'll never win in Afghanistan. No one has. America can't win a guerilla war. The people that live their will only join the rebellion against the Americans. The only people that are winning are Halliburton and Lockheed Martin. They've planned this war for years and the American people are their pawns.
Payback2007 4 years ago
Never win in Afghanistan?
You had better hope we win you do not want King W to have an excuse to drop nukes.
grazon 4 years ago
If the retarded chimp you call a leader drops nukes it will wipe out his oil pipelines that Halliburton controls in Afghanistan. Also, detonating nuclear weapons will further accelerate the melting of the polar ice caps, flooding every coastline not only in your precious little USA but also every other coastal city throughout the world. Dropping a bomb on an Afghani citizen will only make he/she hate America. By trying to kill terrorists, you have only created more.
Payback2007 4 years ago
"If the retarded chimp you call a leader"
Uh Hello? does the phrase "King W" sound like a complement?
grazon 4 years ago
When I told everyone before the election, that Rangel ran around in every black and hispanic nabe scaring folks that Bush would re-instate the draft, I told them it was Rangel himself that was bringing it back up for the second time... no one believed me. Google Rangel draft bill. He lied and said it was a protest bill. I ask, with the way troops are getting treated, there will be no re-enlistment... they know that, hence a draft.
averitas 4 years ago