You are Right: Christianity Is Evil and Ignores the Bible

[KiteFlight0]

You have a lot of great ideas, but the Essenes were ascetics and mystics. The very opposite of a proselityzer.

They had a wide range of tests often unrecorded that their members had to pass in order to remain a part of them. To restore such a religion you should not make a list of required doctrines. It is extremely likely that Jesus believed in reincarnation.

There was a huge variety of influences from other faiths that permeated the community. Making a belief restriction list is going too far.

[carlsonap16]

@KiteFlight0 On what basis do u conclude the Essenes were not proselityzers?All ancient sources say the exact opposite.Their writings indicate it.And the ancient contemporaries such as Josephus explicitly say their primary membership was derived from proselityzation.I don't base what i should believe on what they believed.Rather i base what i should believe on logic,& then look to see if any group had the same position.Reincarnation is immoral,so if what you said was true,i'd have to reject him.

[KiteFlight0]

You have a lot of great ideas, but the Essenes were ascetics and mystics. The very opposite of a proselityzer.

They had a wide range of tests unrecorded on some occasions that their members had to pass in order to remain a part of them. To restore such a religion you should not make a list of required and forbidden doctrines. It is extremely likely that Jesus believed in reincarnation.

There was a huge variety of influences from other faiths that permeated the community. Making a belief Cont

[benaharris]

all religion is shit

[carlsonap16]

@benaharris and why is all religion shit? it is not right to generalize, unless the generalization is justified. i can assure you your generalization is not justified.

[benaharris]

@carlsonap16 thts specific its all nonsense except reincarnation even buddhism and hinduism fall short

[carlsonap16]

@benaharris how is reincarnation not nonsense either? you just say things but you can't do that. if you an argument let's hear it. i can assure you my religion is nothing like you have encountered before. it is the one unique that i have reconstructed from the best of the best.

[sparkshot]

Also liek I said before, I respectfully do not understand how you can use Logic as a datum with which to decide what is truth and scripture, and ignore YH' because you don't agree with some things. Human logic is especially SUBJECTIVE. It isn't a concrete standard and will differ from person to person. No one man has an impeccable infallibly logic, by claiming so and judging God are you not making yourself a god? Possible danger here.

[carlsonap16]

@sparkshot i don't believe human logic exists.  and Scripture says we are all gods.

[sparkshot]

@carlsonap16 - your own logic is human logic. Scripture says we are Elohim yeah but it isn't quite the same as THE Elohah / Elohim. We are human and ALL think differently and come to different conclusions so how can you claim your logic is non human and thus the same as God's, infallible?

[carlsonap16]

@sparkshot there is no such thing as personal logic. define logic, then maybe we can be on the same page. how i define the word logic, what you say is impossible. my logic does not exist. there is only one logic, and to the extent you or i correctly obey logic, we are correct. to the extent we disobey logic, we are not correct. we should chat again sometime by the way. it would be easier in messaging rather than comments

[sparkshot]

@carlsonap16 - Weekends best for me to chat. Logic- well, I'll refrain from going to official scources, but basically I see it as a thought process, a way of joining the dots together to paint a coherently tight picture with a minimum of holes in any given theory. It must be consistent with as many factors as possible and if talking in practical terms then doing things systematically would also be very, 'logical' Cognatively sound, structured and ordered. Don't know how else to explain.

[carlsonap16]

@sparkshot okay to me there is no our and his logic. logic to me is not what we do but what we should do. thus logic is the objective basis for establishing what is true; logic i the principles of truth.

[sparkshot]

@carlsonap16 So basically to you logic is just Gods view point, mind? If so I'd agree largly. can't get more accurate than his understandings.

[carlsonap16]

@sparkshot not quite =). to me, logic is God's "body" in a sense.

[sparkshot]

I think your a little off the mark here. YHWH's Laws are his laws, I wouldn't say he is above or below them, he IS the LAW (in a different way), The laws don't throw you in Hell acording to Messiah. -- Luke 12:5 """5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.""""

fair responce?

[carlsonap16]

@sparkshot i believe the laws do throw us in hell, but that the laws are His body. the body limits God, but it also is part of Him in a sense. thus, just as your arm if i touch it, might be said of me touching you, i didn't actually touch you just your arm

[Ragatokk]

I feel bad for you man...

Try to make a script next time.

And, on a side note... At first I thought you were a Jew... But then I realized you were an American.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk Some Jews are americans (aka jews in new york city, etc).

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 I am aware, it was really just meant as an insult.

If I wanted to be more correct I'd rather use Israelite, but I used Jew as it is more fitting for an insult.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk so you insulted me by using fallacious language/statements. interesting. how about you just stick to the content and don't go to ad hominem etc. unless of course you don't care, then it doesn't really matter for you i suppose.please critique my content, not my race or nationality i was born into.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 I could always elaborate a bit more.

"Jews are still stereotyped as greedy, nit-picky, stingy misers." This part comes from the greeting in this film "Shalom."

Then I went on to call you an American:

"There are only two types of Americans: those which are laughed at by every other culture on the planet, and those who are embarrassed to be associated with the first kind." This comes from the stupidity of your post.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk nice job for being racist and arrogant.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 First off, just so we are on the same page. Neither Jew or American is a race. Jew is a religious view and America is a place where a there is a vast array of different races, lets say Asians, Caucasians, Niggers etc.

I do not claim to be a language expert, my second language is English, my first is Norwegian. But, my father thought me some Hebrew so I have a basic understanding.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk depends how you define race. and jew most certainly is a race, so get your facts checked. jew is a double word which can refer to religion, nation, or race.

as to the language thing, the english translations or really flawed and pathetic. i would stay away from them if at all possible.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 Please make sure you add the comment made first, first. So that any reader will not be confused. Since you have censorship on your video.

To me what you are saying is kind of like this:

/watch?v=9QBv2CFTSWU&context=C­3457402ADOEgsToPDskJuGXOYFpYVT­wTp9xSXx6dg

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk too bad you think that because its not true. but oh well i cant change what you think.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 That is called an exaggeration. And that is why I had the "kind of" in there.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 And I can actually use this thing that is called a dictionary which explains each word individually.

You claim to be logical at the same time as you call believing in a religion illogical, you claim that the scripture is supporting you on the laws God is bound to, it is not. You claim that if the scripture did not support you it is right anyway, just because you believe it is. You say the scripture is irrelevant, at the same time as you claim it to be important.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk i don't believe in an illogical religion. show me something illogical in a religion, and i'll reject it. thats why i left my old religions, when i realized how horrible they were. I claim if Scripture says something i disagree with, i throw out the Scriptures, and i have already on several occasions. yes it is important, but you could throw it out, and it would not diminish me really in the slightest because its not my foundation.its a bonus for me.

[sparkshot]

@carlsonap16 - theres many things I disagree with in the scriptures, especially now I've gotten it in my head that we are to do the law, but I don't throw them out, I just bumble along with the thought, "He knows better than me". I get wound up, but to me part of the failth element is the believing and doing. I don't agree with all things but I just put that down to an error with myself that needs to be worked on rather than an error with god or scripture. if you pick and choose why bother.

[carlsonap16]

@sparkshot how do you know what is from God or what is Scripture?ur picking & choosing by choosing to blindly trust these books as Scripture which were chosen by pagans for you.I don't trust what i should believe on conclusions made by pagans.aka the canons of the bible for christianity are not inspired.so i will not base what i should regard as scripture on them,but it seems you do.I can show that the Scriptures teach only the truth,but we come to learn what the Scriptures teach by using logic.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 and as a side note, if you did not understand that I called you stupid because of all the bullshit you said...

There is no "laws" that God is bound to according to the bible he is almighty, and created everything.

If no-one had told you about any "Laws" or a "God" you would never have believed it. It is in itself irrational.

Another thing I would like to mention is that the scripture is contradicting itself, allot.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk you are wrong. God is bound by laws. You are tying to tell me what the bible says when you can't even read hebrew i assume. that is laughable. and you are wrong; my beliefs come from my own philosophy primarily and not the bible. don't assume anything about me. it matters not to me if Scripture contradicts as my religion has relatively little to do with Scripture.

[Ragatokk]

@carlsonap16 The same guy that made the video you posted this response to has made a good example of that, here /watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk&feature=g­-all&context=G2283e18FAAAAAAAA­QAA

I could go on and on with your video, but I think I will stop here for now.

[carlsonap16]

@Ragatokk yes you could go on and on but you have no idea what you are talking about. what you say applies to most religious individuals but it does NOT apply to me. my religion is like nothing you have encountered before so educate yourself before you go criticizing what you don't even know it is that is maintained. and again you an ignorant fool, who has little understanding of language trying to tell me what a text says. there is no response that can capture how ridiculous you are.

[paulgem123]

Which channel are you referring to? I don't know if it is necessarily evil as much as removed from the original. For instance, Israel both northern and southern tribes were always rebellious to Torah just as the Christians are. Were either people totally evil or just human as YHWH knew. BUT, Deut 8:2 tells us that He would test us to see if we would obey Him or not. (paraphrased)

[carlsonap16]

@paulgem123 its a video response to the first video of "nonstampcollector" 's videos

I think most humans are evil and so was rebellious Israel. It was only those that did not sin who were approved of by Yahuwah. However, no one is ever totally evil. this includes Satan and Hitler. sinners are not entiiely evil but are only as evil as their sin they have committed is. there are some good aspects in all evil people.

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 Si Senor, It is the evil inclination and the good inclination that fights and it is the evil inclination that has to submit to YHWH. If we feed the evil inclination it will overtake us and war against the soul.

[carlsonap16]

@paulgem123 i believe we have free will. We can choose to sin or choose to not sin. I believe we have only one inclination, and we must direct it either to the good or the bad.

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 Yes you are right we CAN chose but the Bible is full of people who should have known and were instructed properly but chose to go against the instructions of YHWH. This is the lessons from this weeks Torah portion Toldot the Generations of Isaac. Explains the two natures of men. Also Paul clearly illustrates it in Romans 7.

[carlsonap16]

@paulgem123 Romans chapter 7 talks about the sinner rather than the saved person. what you reference is not in contradiction to the two natures idea but the bible in no way requires this doctrine of two natures and in my opinion implies throughout a sole nature which can be turned to either good or evil.

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 I respectfully disagree. Paul realizes that he too is prone to the nature that is controlled by flesh. We also see it in Peter as he denies Yeshua 3 times as Yeshua told him he would.

[carlsonap16]

@paulgem123 Peter wasn't saved ever until after Messiah rose from the dead.

As to Paul saying he is prone to the flesh, how can that be when that contradicts explicitly the chapter directly preceding and the chapter directly ffollowing?

i can send you an email with the proof comparison if you want. i show how every claim in chapter 7 verses 14-25 is explicitly contradicted exactly in the preceding and following chapter

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 Chapter 7 flip flops from flesh to Spirit back and forth it has nothing to do with one not being there. It also talks about the penalty of disobedience 8:13. Sanctification is a process and this is the message here that if we remain faithful He will save us. Same thing as Deut 28 And Matt 25. Peter wasn't saved till after Yeshua rose? John 6:68-69 sounds to me like he knew the way before then. Not sure how you came up with that.

[carlsonap16]

@paulgem123 He knew the way but wasn't of the way. Sanctification isn't a process but growing in knowledge is. What i am saying if what you say is true, Paul contradicts chapter 7 versus 14-25 in chapter 6, chapte 8, and the first 13 verses of chapter 7

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 He does not contradict he builds upon. He is using a teaching technique of being overly rhetorical. his play on words is because you should know the answer. This is why Paul gets such flack from people. Jews answer questions with questions it like poetry but without rhymes. I will try and explain with a video if I can find it.

[carlsonap16]

@paulgem123 so if i can show a direct and explicit contradiction what will you say?

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 Show me so I can say, I cannot say if you don't show.

[paulgem123]

@carlsonap16 Although his work it quite creative it is also quite blasphemous and mocks YHWH.