The Forehand: Tennis Coaching Point Analysis

[sportislife4]

dont think about this shit when u hit.....your off balance cuz all that analytical stuff is going through your head.

[atalayapark]

Poor movement, off balance on most shots and taking the ball at completely wrong height. Buck up your ideas son!

[hi10spro]

@atalayapark good analysis, what's your background?

[TheRamstoss]

Well the audio is messed up. But I assume you were saying something about how his non-dominant elbow needs to come back so that it does not hinder rotation.

[counterstrikeking1]

whats the piont to follow over the shulder? to get more power in to the shoot?

[hi10spro]

yep try it.

[MattScottUK]

The shoulder is not turning - hence, arm wrapping across the shoulder! Poor technique - he's arming the ball - no synchronisation between the swinging arm and shoulder. He's just tugging at the ball and follow through is cramped!

[GueorguiJoukov]

Federer's arm wraps around his body...

[GueorguiJoukov]

Some and say Federer has a bad forehand motion. I'd like you to point out any better stroke, no matter the time or player... There's none.

Your arm wraping isn't the outcome of a bad shoulder turn; it's the outcome of using a fully stretched arm rather than a bent elbow.

No saying he's got something too good or compare him to Federer, simply pointing out there's plenty of ways to impart top spin and Federer happens to be a rare, but very good example of Eastern grip and fully stretch arm.

[hi10spro]

Fed is the man, but it's a tough shot to replicate

[GueorguiJoukov]

Not thougher than any other.

Doing it as well as him does requires some skills, but to soem extend, this swing might be more suitable for many person and probably lesser injury prone as well as more efficient.

[hi10spro]

I have a theory... if you can withstand his shots...his forehand will breakdown...it's a funky shot.... search slow motion forehand roger fed... it's cool too, but the timing is so minuscule...

[GueorguiJoukov]

"his forehand will break down" ???

What do you mean?

[hi10spro]

watch the matches he's lost. the forehand breaks down and he starts to miss. the big loss before the french... he was making forehand errors

[GueorguiJoukov]

Before the French Open he got Nadal...

And up to now, this forehand has been the most consistant stroke and probably the best one that ever been played on a court.

It can happens he makes errors, but it is very rare he messes up with his forehand.

No one wears down his forehand; you simply don't attack there because if he gets his racket on the ball, chances are it will be a good shot.

If his forehand collapse like you say, then all stroke in tennis history are worthless.

[hi10spro]

remember the match Roger broke his racquet, before the French. Look at the match results. he made forehand errors. that's what I'm talking about. you're getting way too emotional about these things--look at the errors.

now what shot did Roger miss at Wimbledon to lose last year--wasn't it a forehand approach? last year's french? that's what I'm saying. it breaks down.

[GueorguiJoukov]

Making an error. He has one chance out of two to miss a forehand rather than a backhand. The point was that he broke down, not his shot.

The number of errors on his forehand are ridiculously low.

I'm not geeting emotional, what ever the tone might suggest. His forehand is probably the last stroke to collapse on the ATP tour. It's not me who claims it is, the statistics make commentators and all analysts come to this conclusion.

The fact are it is very unlikely he will miss one.

[hi10spro]

he is the GOAT.

Nadal matches up well with Roger, but as you can see, longevity with Nadal is an issue, his game is hell on his body.

Roger has one hole--high backhands, but not too many people can get to it.

[GueorguiJoukov]

Roger is human; after 5 hours of play in both games, he simply couldn't play all shots in. Check how many errors he got... It's ridiculously low.

It's WAY too exagerated to say it collapse, because then, I must consider Roddick's forehand collapse, that Murray's forehand collapse, even that Nadal's forehand collapse.

In both face up, he was in a macth poitn point situation with a tremendous amount of pressue: chassing the history books, stopping a loosing streak in Paris finals...

[hi10spro]

ru a lawyer?

[GueorguiJoukov]

imagine the only thing comming at the back of your mind since perhaps the last two games is: I must be perfect, not make any mistake...

Perhaps 10 or more rallies thinking about the numbers instead of your game. He is human, he can feel the pressure and it must have been enormous.

And considering he didn't make much unforced errors, sooner or later, the average law would get him. It happened to fall on a match point on his forehand side. 1/2...

He didn't so much forehand errors.

[GueorguiJoukov]

You can say he made some, but if we compare his shot to any other player, we see he is consistantly superior and remember how commentators qualify him. They say he's better when it counts. Numbers tell he won 15 GS out of 5.

The problem was in his HEAD and on the other side. The guy was NADAL in each of these games.

He got closer and closer on each try to win and last time he won...with amazing forehand winners and a great net play.

The problem isn't consistancy, it's him VS Nadal the problem

[hi10spro]

Roger is the GOAT remember that

[GueorguiJoukov]

This shot is the shot which is the least likely to break down and the most consistant shot. You simply cannot find any better forehand. This shot tops any lists.

And, as you can see his body, it's his motion which makes the shot from A to Z. No muscles, no arms, nothing but pure mechanics.

Technically, it's better than anything and the results are there to confirm it.

And mentally, after 15GS, I think he showed he was able to withstand pressure.

[GueorguiJoukov]

It's not even arguable to say Federer's forehand isn't consistant, isn't umbelievable, it's almost an insult to the sport.

No facts point out, not even give a sligth glance or even open a mere debate on whether or not Federer's forehand is good.

Man, dominating ATP tour for 4 years from the baseline means this shot worth something and he can rely on it.

It doesn't even worth considering it isn't what I claim it to be. This shot is as perfect as humanly possible, period.

[hi10spro]

The shot is very complex. have you looked at the video--his shoulder opens, then freezes, the racquet starts perpendicular to the ground, then swings out--a very long impact point, then it turns over. it's very difficult to do. But he is Roger

[GueorguiJoukov]

I would never advise to COPY from A to Z a shot, because they'll obviously mess up somewhere. But, there's nothing which says you cannot mold your shot around it and get the basic principles done.

Federer has a weird mix of classical and modern forehand. It gives this high follow-through, this extent arm and the peculiar racket take back.

The idea is to do something efficient, safe and feels great. How it looks is simply the result of the preceding things.

[MattScottUK]

Hardly any shoulder turn - no synchronisation between the swinging arm and shoulder. This is why his follow through is almost lassooing around his neck! The reason is that the backswing is too long and he's arming the ball, instead of using the shoulder to generate the swing. He's tugging at the ball because the left hip isn't turning through. Very bad technique!

[hi10spro]

yep

[Electricgypsyboy]

what happened to the audio? i think your talking but can't really tell.

[lukebonstingl]

you cant always swing over your shoulder

[buckbobo]

He needs to stretch threw the hit a little further( stay on the ball longer) thats how you generate more pace and a more solid shot, get him to swing out to his right hand and not cross over the right with the finish of the swing.. is balance is suspect on this side also. get him to hit of his front leg for a while so then his blance will get better.

[patratavatar]

need help on footwork