"The first civilian in space..." Right at the very moment humanity realized space was open for everyone, then gets destroyed and won't be revived for decades if not ever...
to me the most angering thing about the challenger accident is not just that it was preventable but that the lessons on the evils of negligence was still not learned and caused yet another accident.
Jessie Moore's statement was a lie. That same night, Ronald reagan was to address the nation and in his speech he was going to mention Christa McAuliffe above the world to educate us on the excitement of space travel. If they had put it off 1 more day, the lessons she was to teach would not have been heard because they were set for the 4th day of the mission, which would then have been Saturday or Sunday. I will never forget them. Truly a very sad moment for our nation and their families.
@1800akatsuki "blown to bits", that's not true. The crew cabin was intact and was blown clear during the explosion. Some or all of the crew survived the initial blast, some may have still been conscious. It was the blunt force trauma of hitting the ocean surface that killed them if any were still alive and they were all found dead in the crew cabin by recovery teams. The real horror isn't the false assumption that they were blown apart- it was that they may have been aware & helpless.
The Space Shuttle Challenger is a classic example of groupthink. They were so thrilled that they were launching a teacher into space that they ignored the engineers who warned it wasn't safe to launch. Those people are criminals for doing so.
it mustve been horrifying for not just the families at the audience at the launch pad, but for every one in the immediate area that were watching it from a distance. those people were the real victims in this tragedy because they have to live with the tragedy in their memories as it actually happened.
Not sure if the film is trustworthy, but I watched a documentary about a man who told them something was wrong and if they lifted off it would definitely explode, but whoever was in charge of the mission refused to take his advice. After it exploded he felt people had the right to know what happened.
@WhiteMarz There was a guy who advised not to launch but could not back up his claims. Thats why his company gave the go ahead to Nasa to launch. There is no one person that blesses each launch or gives the ok. It takes many people. The design of the booster joints was showing problems from the first launch up to this one. It was called blow by. Nasa choose to ignore it until the perfect storm made it a factor. I witnessed it live....
Contrary to the flight dynamics officer's initial statement, the shuttle and external tank did not actually "explode".[15] Instead they rapidly disintegrated under tremendous aerodynamic forces, since the shuttle was slightly past "Max Q", or maximum aerodynamic pressure ("past" meaning that the dynamic pressure had started to decrease after reaching its maximum).
It was the O-ring's and a possibly faulty tank back then so nasa corrected it's problems & launched endeavor in 1992 which should've been challenger2 , but now the grieving families of that accident are rich from nasa's you nasa paid of those families of the 7 astronauts...Yes we were shocked & stunned to what either seen on t.v or there at nasa in person & youtube is a great learning tool & time capsule for everyone.
Why don't we have giant space ships that are assembled in space because their so huge like the one in the movie The Rodger Young - Starship Troopers?it would be like the f-22 all the country could invest into it come on don't you wanna see some real sci-fi shit in your life time?
The night before the explosion, the engineers who designed and built the solid rocket boosters and the o-rings were on the phone with Nasa officials begging them not to launch if it was too cold. One of the main designers threatened to quit (and actually did) if they launched in such low temps. The top Nasa officials were warned but were more afraid of political and press pressure than risking the astronauts' lives.
The commission said NASA's decision to launch the shuttle was flawed. Top level decision makers had not been informed of problems with the joints and O rings or the possible damaging effects of cold weather. The Commission also concluded that there was a serious flaw in the decision making process leading up to the launch of flight 51-L.
I was a freshman at Notre Dame. It happened on either a Tues or Thurs because I remember going to my Tu/Thr class at 1:15, and my professor had not heard the news yet.
I don't really have the words any more to express how I feel about this now. 25 years ago it made me want to write a song and the anniversary made me want to share it. Please go and have a listen to my tribute song posted on my YouTube channel.
@Skybolter well she took a glass of water before she went down on me , then she started fueling my rocket, after about an hour of constant fuel pumping , i got ready for take off , i always give a heads up before i launch my rocket. but in the mix of it all .. i lost communication and ended up exploding right before her eyes!
what can u do, everything cant always go as planned.
SImple for you, find a gas oven, turn on all of the gas knobs (do not light) allow gas to circulate for about half an hour, then YOU stand in front of oven and light match.....have fun with your explosion idiot.
i remember the shuttle exploding and the teachers turning off the t.v and leaving us alone as they went to watch in the teachers lounge they lucky that we didnt give a shit!
Lewisvann and london -those Heroes are taking risks on behalf of humanity ,going places where you could never in exploring frontiers to stretch the human hand ,reaching where only a select few dare to go to expand our world farther on one trip than ten generations of you could ever.
"It was discovered that three of the crew personal egress air packs (PEAP's) were activated: those of mission specialist Ellison Onizuka, mission specialist Judith Resnik, and pilot Michael J. Smith. The location of Smith's activation switch, on the back side of his seat, means that either Resnik or Onizuka could have activated it for him."(Wikipedia) No "escape capsule", not even in self contained pressure suits! No on board external cameras, no joint seal integrity sensors! Nothing! DUH!!!
To IamPatriot94: They are not heroes..they are a bunch of random people doing jobs they wanted to do that has high risk involved, and unfortunately due to someone else's stupid error, they died Will all Americans get off the bandwagon of calling everyone a hero for anything that they get killed doing as part of the normal course of their job they chose. A hero in my mind who takes a risk for behalf of someone else that could endanger them, and they had no reason to do it ie not their job.
Even though we knew the risks, what still makes me weep is seeing the teacher's parents watching. Helplessly seeing your own child destroyed under your eyes... the thought alone is unbearable. Brave people.
Roger Boisjoly is a national Hero along with those astronauts. If those morons at NASA and Morton "salt" Thiokol had listen to him and did not go through with the launch in such a cold weather, those seven brave people would be alive today. Arrogance and stupidity don't mix.
@elmo61 Anyone who says that just does not know the history of Challenger. It is people who simply dont study history and dont know what they are talking about. Very similar to 9/11 Truthers. It's sad and very distrubing really.
To what some one said about they could wish that they could go back and stop this; I would Not go back to prevent it, because of this sacrifice, NASA found the flaws with the shuttle and where able to correct them on the entire fleet. If no-one knew of the flaws then we could have lost more than the 2 shuttles (Challenger and Columbia). Still we can't forget the crews who where trying to advance the Human race. RIP all 14 brave Astronauts.
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Dan Rather is a complete moron and only the liberals like the guy. He has a horrible legacy now and keeps trying to change it. He is done. Pathetic liberal.
Yeah, I had my 8th grade writing test that day. The writing test ended in the morning and they let us go home early. Saw it as it happened. Remember it like yesterday.
what is more intresting then you defying physics by time traveling is your ability to stop nasa from being morons when you get back there........this disaster was caused by nasa not listening to it's engineers more then anythinglese
we watched the launch live... the teacher turned it off 30 seconds after the explosion and told us.."we better get back to our lesson".. shocking shit!!!
Ive been obsessed ever since...
what a sad coincidence that of all shuttles to blow up it had to be the one with 1) a cevilian teacher and 2) a astronaught musician who was going to record the first song ever recorded in space
It's not exactly closing the program. The Space Shuttle launch system is to be retired in late 2010. By that time it will be 29 years old. NASA is developing a new spacecraft (some of it's technology learned from shuttle and Apollo craft) that will go back to the Moon and maybe Mars too. The new spacecraft isn't funded as well as it should be and probably won't be ready until 2014 or later but the shuttle isn't as safe as it should be and it is not capable of leaving Earth's orbit.
I watched this with my thirds grade class, live on television. I remeber afterwards my teacher turned off the television sat down and cried. I knew what had happened and realized that the greatest challenge in life would be survival.
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There was a great deal of pressure by Reagan because that evening was the stae of the union address and Reagan wanted to post and mention about the Challenger, no matter what. Way to go Ronnie, 7 great Americans dead
Well according to The Rogers Commission, they found that "Political pressures and public relations seem to have taken a front seat in the erred decision making process at NASA." The commission never said what the "political pressures" were (because if someone asks you to jump off a bridge and you do it, no one is responsible in the end but you.) Instead they focused in on what needed to be changed at NASA. But many in the press assumed the "political pressure" was the Reagan administration.
That is just complete and total bullshit. No one at the White House has anything to do with KSC launch decisions about what day and time they go exactly. BUnch of crap.
I remember having stayed home from school the day of the '86 explosion...I saw it live on TV, and was horrified. A teacher at my junior hi-school even applied to be the "teacher in space"; thankfully he wasn't chosen!
"The first civilian in space..." Right at the very moment humanity realized space was open for everyone, then gets destroyed and won't be revived for decades if not ever...
Rest in peace the crew of Challenger.
helljumpr5150 1 month ago
to me the most angering thing about the challenger accident is not just that it was preventable but that the lessons on the evils of negligence was still not learned and caused yet another accident.
searchanddiscover 1 month ago
Evening news is where they begin with 'Good evening', and then proceed to tell you why it isn't...
Mathiashamzamirza 1 month ago
I cant believe they actually let challenger lift off after all the doubts smh wow
XxMoniePhoePhyvexX 2 months ago
i saw shuttle endeavor go up
RaachellWest 2 months ago
Jessie Moore's statement was a lie. That same night, Ronald reagan was to address the nation and in his speech he was going to mention Christa McAuliffe above the world to educate us on the excitement of space travel. If they had put it off 1 more day, the lessons she was to teach would not have been heard because they were set for the 4th day of the mission, which would then have been Saturday or Sunday. I will never forget them. Truly a very sad moment for our nation and their families.
treasurehunter911 4 months ago
those 7 scientist got blown to bits. they could never to find the complete body parts of the victims
1800akatsuki 5 months ago
@1800akatsuki "blown to bits", that's not true. The crew cabin was intact and was blown clear during the explosion. Some or all of the crew survived the initial blast, some may have still been conscious. It was the blunt force trauma of hitting the ocean surface that killed them if any were still alive and they were all found dead in the crew cabin by recovery teams. The real horror isn't the false assumption that they were blown apart- it was that they may have been aware & helpless.
Koldeman 3 months ago
The Space Shuttle Challenger is a classic example of groupthink. They were so thrilled that they were launching a teacher into space that they ignored the engineers who warned it wasn't safe to launch. Those people are criminals for doing so.
KOHF34 6 months ago
it mustve been horrifying for not just the families at the audience at the launch pad, but for every one in the immediate area that were watching it from a distance. those people were the real victims in this tragedy because they have to live with the tragedy in their memories as it actually happened.
KimCheeWarrior 6 months ago
Not sure if the film is trustworthy, but I watched a documentary about a man who told them something was wrong and if they lifted off it would definitely explode, but whoever was in charge of the mission refused to take his advice. After it exploded he felt people had the right to know what happened.
WhiteMarz 6 months ago
@WhiteMarz There was a guy who advised not to launch but could not back up his claims. Thats why his company gave the go ahead to Nasa to launch. There is no one person that blesses each launch or gives the ok. It takes many people. The design of the booster joints was showing problems from the first launch up to this one. It was called blow by. Nasa choose to ignore it until the perfect storm made it a factor. I witnessed it live....
aimhigh59 6 months ago
Contrary to the flight dynamics officer's initial statement, the shuttle and external tank did not actually "explode".[15] Instead they rapidly disintegrated under tremendous aerodynamic forces, since the shuttle was slightly past "Max Q", or maximum aerodynamic pressure ("past" meaning that the dynamic pressure had started to decrease after reaching its maximum).
twinturbonissan300zx 8 months ago
It was the O-ring's and a possibly faulty tank back then so nasa corrected it's problems & launched endeavor in 1992 which should've been challenger2 , but now the grieving families of that accident are rich from nasa's you nasa paid of those families of the 7 astronauts...Yes we were shocked & stunned to what either seen on t.v or there at nasa in person & youtube is a great learning tool & time capsule for everyone.
KF6LIL 9 months ago
They still didn't get the hint after Challenger, then came Columbia.
KOHF34 10 months ago
Why don't we have giant space ships that are assembled in space because their so huge like the one in the movie The Rodger Young - Starship Troopers?it would be like the f-22 all the country could invest into it come on don't you wanna see some real sci-fi shit in your life time?
omega4chimp 10 months ago
that bird at 3:40 can even tell he's lying
getar12345 10 months ago 3
This is absolutley true, my mum was wtching it on the news.
its not fake.
dis is bre peak how ppl actually died and ppl think its fake? naa its not.
Aliyahsohawon 11 months ago
HE HAS CROWS BEHIND HIM.! -LIESSSS.!
ThisIsJaice 11 months ago
thanks for this piece of history
MisterGasMan 11 months ago
they should have stopped nasa then.close up shop
SNAKEEYESSAM 11 months ago
@TatianaSword would you just fuck off already?
kkwuzhere67 11 months ago
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sta127 11 months ago
should have never ever been allowed to launch...
dragonboy718 11 months ago
it should have never happened it was to cold later launch maybe would have been successfull so i believe nasa is responsable
lawnmowerman37 11 months ago
The night before the explosion, the engineers who designed and built the solid rocket boosters and the o-rings were on the phone with Nasa officials begging them not to launch if it was too cold. One of the main designers threatened to quit (and actually did) if they launched in such low temps. The top Nasa officials were warned but were more afraid of political and press pressure than risking the astronauts' lives.
Marty933 11 months ago
The commission said NASA's decision to launch the shuttle was flawed. Top level decision makers had not been informed of problems with the joints and O rings or the possible damaging effects of cold weather. The Commission also concluded that there was a serious flaw in the decision making process leading up to the launch of flight 51-L.
koaheart 11 months ago
I was a freshman at Notre Dame. It happened on either a Tues or Thurs because I remember going to my Tu/Thr class at 1:15, and my professor had not heard the news yet.
ch4guy4life 1 year ago
I don't really have the words any more to express how I feel about this now. 25 years ago it made me want to write a song and the anniversary made me want to share it. Please go and have a listen to my tribute song posted on my YouTube channel.
FlyBoyGrounded 1 year ago
WTF went wrong with the launch ?
Skybolter 1 year ago
@Skybolter well she took a glass of water before she went down on me , then she started fueling my rocket, after about an hour of constant fuel pumping , i got ready for take off , i always give a heads up before i launch my rocket. but in the mix of it all .. i lost communication and ended up exploding right before her eyes!
what can u do, everything cant always go as planned.
yabodmon 1 year ago
@Brentsey
SImple for you, find a gas oven, turn on all of the gas knobs (do not light) allow gas to circulate for about half an hour, then YOU stand in front of oven and light match.....have fun with your explosion idiot.
TrOLLKiLLeRs1 1 year ago
i remember the shuttle exploding and the teachers turning off the t.v and leaving us alone as they went to watch in the teachers lounge they lucky that we didnt give a shit!
chitownreak 1 year ago
@chitownreak Ya my teacher was crying and all of us were like "what the fuck"?
I was 9 years old.
jgatorful 1 year ago
how many of us were in the p.e. fields at our schools watching this! i will never forget!
quintmora74 1 year ago
Hard to believe it's been 25 years!
jakevanek 1 year ago
i wish i could bring those 7 astronauts back as new people.
brandonvotaw 1 year ago
Fuck up.
jmeove 1 year ago
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I haven't lold so hard in my life HAHA
Gruntsplatter 1 year ago
@Gruntsplatter ...dick
TheHeathenAngel 1 year ago
In This Clip, From 0:00 To 1:00, It Was CBS News' CBS Evening News With Dan Rather Video Open From Tuesday Evening, January 28, 1986.
radiodj1520 1 year ago
rip xx
JoanCollins2009 1 year ago
1#Explosions
TatianaSword 1 year ago
Lewisvann and london -those Heroes are taking risks on behalf of humanity ,going places where you could never in exploring frontiers to stretch the human hand ,reaching where only a select few dare to go to expand our world farther on one trip than ten generations of you could ever.
kpartlow17 1 year ago
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"It was discovered that three of the crew personal egress air packs (PEAP's) were activated: those of mission specialist Ellison Onizuka, mission specialist Judith Resnik, and pilot Michael J. Smith. The location of Smith's activation switch, on the back side of his seat, means that either Resnik or Onizuka could have activated it for him."(Wikipedia) No "escape capsule", not even in self contained pressure suits! No on board external cameras, no joint seal integrity sensors! Nothing! DUH!!!
Puff29646 1 year ago
The ppl went in shuttle where happy to go in space . That was said when itz was TV on that . They didn't have to die like that
LilSmiles012 1 year ago
that broke my heart watching the parents
sanyo51 1 year ago
that is so sad!
102justinbieberfan 1 year ago
THEY are...all heroes and modern day explorers. GOD BLESS THEM ALL
mediatramp 1 year ago
Records are all meant to be broken; eventually, someone will die on the moon, on mars, etc.
LondonNYLA 1 year ago
To IamPatriot94: They are not heroes..they are a bunch of random people doing jobs they wanted to do that has high risk involved, and unfortunately due to someone else's stupid error, they died Will all Americans get off the bandwagon of calling everyone a hero for anything that they get killed doing as part of the normal course of their job they chose. A hero in my mind who takes a risk for behalf of someone else that could endanger them, and they had no reason to do it ie not their job.
lewisvann 1 year ago
@lewisvann:
Right on! People die every day doing their job because of other people, or themselves, messing up. Some die spectacularly, some don't.
LondonNYLA 1 year ago
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what does nasa stand for. = need another seven astronauts.
cuff1957 2 years ago
Even though we knew the risks, what still makes me weep is seeing the teacher's parents watching. Helplessly seeing your own child destroyed under your eyes... the thought alone is unbearable. Brave people.
Celestein 2 years ago 2
our technology is not perfect and will never be.
edgaritoaqui 2 years ago
@edgaritoaqui Technology ? But it's the confidence too high of men who kill them !
Landia69230 2 years ago
The persons who put pressure on to send Challengers to space despite all the things that could go wrong, are god damn criminals!
Squad2ND 2 years ago 18
@Squad2ND and they still got their promotions! even though they KNEW this
would happen! What disgusts me is that nobody did anything about it when
they were informed of the matter.
StreakyTheFurry 1 day ago
Roger Boisjoly is a national Hero along with those astronauts. If those morons at NASA and Morton "salt" Thiokol had listen to him and did not go through with the launch in such a cold weather, those seven brave people would be alive today. Arrogance and stupidity don't mix.
DAXAR100 2 years ago
Those poor astronauts.They were so happy and confident.Those heroes died without any pain.God have mercy on there souls.
IamPatriot94 2 years ago 3
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I think they crashed with god.
Robbaz 2 years ago
dan rather NOT
habbadou 2 years ago
"There was absolutely no pressure to get this particular launch off..." Liar liar, pants on fire.
elmo61 2 years ago 37
@elmo61 Anyone who says that just does not know the history of Challenger. It is people who simply dont study history and dont know what they are talking about. Very similar to 9/11 Truthers. It's sad and very distrubing really.
JPPolachek 1 year ago
@JPPolachek Who are the 9/11 truthers? Who are the 9/11 LIARS?
onedollarwill 1 year ago
8:27 no shit!
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agtitan2868 2 years ago
To what some one said about they could wish that they could go back and stop this; I would Not go back to prevent it, because of this sacrifice, NASA found the flaws with the shuttle and where able to correct them on the entire fleet. If no-one knew of the flaws then we could have lost more than the 2 shuttles (Challenger and Columbia). Still we can't forget the crews who where trying to advance the Human race. RIP all 14 brave Astronauts.
rdvd7 2 years ago 3
This was not a fleet problem. This was a booster design flaw.
mach25man 2 years ago 2
Well yes, but they corrected the O-rings and other flaws on all the future SRBs and nothing like Challenger (An explosion) has happend since.
rdvd7 2 years ago
They redesigned the joint completely, added a 3rd O-ring and added joint heaters. What were the other flaws ?
mach25man 2 years ago
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Dan Rather is a complete moron and only the liberals like the guy. He has a horrible legacy now and keeps trying to change it. He is done. Pathetic liberal.
Maxwell2323 2 years ago
And a journalist, which is more than you can say about anyone in tv news today.
able421 2 years ago
Now isn't that a brilliant comment.
10TVMan 2 years ago
5:35 - Now I know where Billy Mays got his incredibly annoying style.....
rafalweb 2 years ago
Dan was a great journalist until he mucked his legacy up.
rafalweb 2 years ago
nasa commentator steve nesbitt giving the flight info
houston: challenger go at throttle up.
challenger commander dick scobee: roger go at throttle up.
(unhearn on the ground to air/loop, heard on deck flight recorder recovered from alantic)
challenger pilot mike smith: uh oh!
mannyortiz36 2 years ago
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nice firework :)
leifvier 2 years ago
you wanted them to die?
wjack12 2 years ago
Dan Rather is weird!
CGtrojans11 2 years ago 2
I was born on that day. Makes it all the more interesting.
MartinusPrime 2 years ago 2
A tragic day. And Dan Rather is annoying.
sebringdnf 2 years ago
I wasn't even born yet when this happened. I was born 6 months later after this tragedy
amit790 2 years ago
First grade for me. I'll never forget it - we watched it live and like many other schools, we were let out early.
themanismad 2 years ago
I was in 8th grade and I remember this like it was yesterday.
starkweather444 2 years ago 2
Yeah, I had my 8th grade writing test that day. The writing test ended in the morning and they let us go home early. Saw it as it happened. Remember it like yesterday.
NYCMESBRNX 2 years ago
This may sound crazy, but I wish I could go back in time and stop this horrible disaster from happening.
schrollG 2 years ago 3
what is more intresting then you defying physics by time traveling is your ability to stop nasa from being morons when you get back there........this disaster was caused by nasa not listening to it's engineers more then anythinglese
mannyortiz36 2 years ago
I was in the 3rd grade when this happened; but i remember it like it was yesterday...i am 30 years old now....what a sad, sad day......
zodiacgirl33 2 years ago
It desinigrated!
It broke up!
Not explode!
Chrisjr2007 2 years ago
I actually remember watching this newscast. Another day that shook America.
Blowme1000 2 years ago 2
23 years ago today, r.i.p
charles21180 3 years ago 2
I was in Kindergarten
we watched the launch live... the teacher turned it off 30 seconds after the explosion and told us.."we better get back to our lesson".. shocking shit!!!
Ive been obsessed ever since...
what a sad coincidence that of all shuttles to blow up it had to be the one with 1) a cevilian teacher and 2) a astronaught musician who was going to record the first song ever recorded in space
SAAD!!
fperdomo 3 years ago 3
I was in kindergarten too. We didn't watch it.
tombstoner79 3 years ago
So sad! I cant believe NASA is closing its program!
AlexandraLara 3 years ago
It's not exactly closing the program. The Space Shuttle launch system is to be retired in late 2010. By that time it will be 29 years old. NASA is developing a new spacecraft (some of it's technology learned from shuttle and Apollo craft) that will go back to the Moon and maybe Mars too. The new spacecraft isn't funded as well as it should be and probably won't be ready until 2014 or later but the shuttle isn't as safe as it should be and it is not capable of leaving Earth's orbit.
TonyW1000 3 years ago 2
Dan Rather's a tool.
Stonejohn28 3 years ago
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eat a dick, asshole
hlewis420 3 years ago
dan rather rules
patmix 3 years ago
Katie's pretty good as well.
DorvellTStewart 3 years ago
I watched this with my thirds grade class, live on television. I remeber afterwards my teacher turned off the television sat down and cried. I knew what had happened and realized that the greatest challenge in life would be survival.
Zoroasterrrr 3 years ago
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There was a great deal of pressure by Reagan because that evening was the stae of the union address and Reagan wanted to post and mention about the Challenger, no matter what. Way to go Ronnie, 7 great Americans dead
gregfujita 3 years ago
Great deal of pressure? You have evidence of this?
Reggie1971 3 years ago
Well according to The Rogers Commission, they found that "Political pressures and public relations seem to have taken a front seat in the erred decision making process at NASA." The commission never said what the "political pressures" were (because if someone asks you to jump off a bridge and you do it, no one is responsible in the end but you.) Instead they focused in on what needed to be changed at NASA. But many in the press assumed the "political pressure" was the Reagan administration.
gobo760 3 years ago
That is just complete and total bullshit. No one at the White House has anything to do with KSC launch decisions about what day and time they go exactly. BUnch of crap.
RJY4356 3 years ago
I wasn't around during that when it explosion but I was around when Columbia Broke up during Re-entry in 2003. I was in shocked during that time.
unrealdellkat 3 years ago
I remember having stayed home from school the day of the '86 explosion...I saw it live on TV, and was horrified. A teacher at my junior hi-school even applied to be the "teacher in space"; thankfully he wasn't chosen!
huggyface 3 years ago
Dan's a little too upbeat using the model to describe the explosion.
zaius316 3 years ago
Is there more to this? Would love to see the rest.
albertarn 4 years ago
Can you post some more?
tombstoner79 4 years ago
grabe..
newcrack24 4 years ago