we all know we are all sick of state oppresion and trough this i want congratulate the greek ANARCHIST who sent mail bombs to worldwide stratigic targets and althought you forgot to sent one to the offshore banks whom colaborate with such attrotocities on people regular people ill say i like you will keep up the fight.
There are many thoughts on violence in terms of revolution in Anarchism ranging in a large spectrum. Many Syndicalist do not see the destruction of property as violent, and would harm another person, except in issues of protecting themselves from the Fascist Neo Nazi's, who in Europe see them as enemy number one, as well as from cops.
However, many other anarchists are Pacifists, any only respect civil disobedience. Similarly, other anarchist (more connected to Mutualism) see property as an extension of the self. Therefore, harming property is harming a person. Then again exceptions are made for limited liability corporations.
But too many people use the term anarchist as a reason to cause havoc its fuckin pointless to cause destruction. No one will ever achieve anything through violence
I was there-what a battle! The Capitol Police tried to make a stand at 3ed Street, but could not stand against those Roman Army style shields, a 700 strong Bloc-and possibly 1/2 MILLION mainstream protesters who could see everything. We pounded them all the way to the very doors of the US Capitol and people left their mark-literally. I laughed my ass off when some GOP swine called for an investigation> Why is it nobody steps it up like this TODAY???
Some middle-upper-class, yank, rich-kids, with too much time on their hands, probably all college or uni students. backed up by their '60/70's hippy-chick parents... received a '''warning''' that it MAY come to DRAFTING troops into an army if the 'lower-classes' wouldn't enlist, & that meant 'lil precious', going to a WARZONE!
By 'lower-classes', include blacks, cos most whites in the US don't care a fuck about racism, if they did, they'd demonstarte in harlem, Compton, etc, with their 'bro's'!
@121Bollox This shit is bigger then racism and who you represent! And its bigger then what class you're from. Damn wake up! There are some evil plans in the works and if there is no resistance then you're gonna hate life in the future!
There shouldn't even be a fucking war! War is terrorism! Aint no better then religious extremists.
@27thepusher -You're very correct. Great sentiment. War is atrocious, but as long as my country is at war, no matter what the causes, rationale or goal, we have kids dying for what they believe in, so you have the ABILITY to 'resist' Through millennia of the same solid ideology & determination as our troops show now!
They don't need to know of discord, hatred, & bullshit, as they are ducking for cover, using their dead friends if need be, as a shield! They've the fucking right to NOT hear your.
We must regain control of the government within the confines of it's own corruption...we too must become corrupt and violent (in their eyes) to overcome their choke-hold on society and establish true freedom!
You're missing the point. We don't want to regain control of government. We want to abolish the very idea of government, hierarchy, and the capitalist/state system.
did you see the pig with a camera there? watch out for those guys they take pics of the leaders and any potential trouble makers and then pick them up on false charges (usually) later on
Yes, anarchy does have to do with violence and rioting insofar as that is a potential mode of behaviour, and insofar as that is permissible without authority. You may not desire that. Fine. But it is nonetheless a potential outcome of anarchy, just as mass love ins are: that is the point of anarchy. We are free to do as we please with the potentialities.
anarchy simply means no government. Whatever results from having no government is thus TRUE anarchy. Obviously the same results will not appear every time as society is a collection of individual will. THAT is the point: CREATIVE destruction, no gods no masters!
I agree.i didnt post that comment my friend left my account logged in when he commented.i feel that anarchy is a (mostly) peaceful,lawless state, but like communism it would not work, people are always going to try to come to power and control everything.but in a true sense, anarchy is sometimes violent, its a transitional phase between government. and sometimes it is necesary to put aside peace and take up arms. fighting is not anarchy, but the chaos that ultimately ensues, is in fact Anarchy.
when we go on the street and protest against the state and so on, and we use violence...that is not anarchy in that moment. that is just the way we behave when facing against this system. when we are back home and live in peace...THAT is anarchy! that is the time we show anarchism
start some fires true Black bloc dont just walk away thier force to walk away. they set shit on fire. americans are all hippies. you guys arent Anarchist, your hippies.
I consider myself to be an anarchist, but I reject the idea of unnecessary or justified violents. It hasn't got anything to do with being a pussy, it's got something to do with being sensible. Why the hell would you wanna express being an anarchist by setting shit on fire. That's only perpetuating a stereotype about anarchists, it has nothing to do with anarchism as far as I'm concerned.
yeah anarchy has nothing to do with violence. it is just the opposite.
but you will never achieve a revolution without violence against the fascists that violate you. because they are just too powerful. have you seen the videos from g20 in pittsbourgh?
we will never win against this system if we dont use violence against it.
@Propagandhi900 I agree with you, but what happens if state repression strikes us? won't anarchists fight back? remember that in spain, anarchist workers were very militant in defending the republic and themselves against the fascist pronunciamento... and they didnt take up arms against their democratic "allies" up until the point they were attacked...
@Propagandhi900 agreed, but things don't have to start with a violent manner, other than the practical denial of capitalist and hierarchical structures and norms. as durruti had said, the new world will be built within the old world's shell! of course when state mechanisms counter attack, anarchists don't have, and must not, to be peaceful sheep but weary wolves! solidarity from greece (A)
@Propagandhi900 violence is oppression, every cop you kill has a family that will seek revenge, every capitalist pig, every politician, all have children that will grow up remembering who killed their parents and what they stood for. As the band who your name is taken from points out about violence, "who's will would that represent? mine or the rank and file or better yet, the government? but I dont want to catalyze or synthesize the second final solution."
Who said anything about killing cops or politicians?
Violence can be used to oppress. I agree.
HOWEVER, violence can be used to STOP oppression.
A violent revolution is necessary. There is no peaceful way to achieve and maintain socialism.
I'm sorry, but those killed defending capitalism against us communists who will fight for it's demise is nothing to the millions worldwide who die as a result of the capitalist system still being in place.
@Propagandhi900 no violent revolution has ever really changed anything, the oppressed become the oppressors and the cycle starts over again. non-violent civil disobedience is much more effective, but you need not take my word for it, just take a long hard look at history, anyone's version of history, and you the pattern becomes clear.
The Bolsheviks during Lenin's reign did not oppress the anarchists. Trotsky discussed it in a speech he made, that Anarchists were not, and should not be imprisoned soley for their ideals. They were comrades. However, many criminals, Trotsky called them pseudoanarchists, merely professed solidarity to anarchism in prison or after their release.
I'm not going to excuse the authoritarianism of Leninism, or the Bolsheviks, because I am neither a Leninist or a Trotskyist.
well i personally think we need to be violent against the state and against authorities, BUT i would rather see a peaceful revolution, because i am a pacifist.
but well you are right. revolutions are always violent. and you can only beat a violent system with violence. but after that, when anarchy is the new form of society, all anarchists are peaceful again.
I contend the best revolutionary strategy is gradualism and dual power, combined with a willingness to practice self-defensive violence, and augmented with an attack in the form of civil disobedience and nonviolent direct action. This combines nonviolent, constructive, and insurrectionary forms of direct action.
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Leftist Anarchists are a joke. The only way to bring down the free market/capitalism is to use violence and oppression. As soon as you brought down the system, there would be someone starting up an efficient business. Capitalism is the natural order (and I'm not talking about corporatism - I'm talking about a TRUE free market)
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Violence should be a tactic and not a strategy or a goal plan. It can be effective and it will be necessary in a revolution but if you think relying solely on that will bring about any real change then you're not thinking this through. You talk of bringing down oppression and violence yet are willing to support capitalism (its the same thing whatever you call it) which has systematically enabled the injustices of the world today along with the help of the state.
I like how everytime honest citizens go and protest Bush and the Fascist state coming to the US, they are always labelled "Anarchists" and "evil-doers that should be tasered"
Typical rich white anarchists rebel from their rich white parents. At least they aren't as brainwashed as "Semperfaithful" the "Pro-American Heterosexual"
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Anarchists are too ashamed to show their identity so they wear banadanas to protests. I've been to quite a few protests where these antiamerican faggots were and we beat the shit out them. It's great to hear them whine and cry while their on the ground. One time a cretin was about to burn an American flag. I got hold of the flag and started shoving it down the animals throat.
CodeOuch.. Absolutely correct... Typical white children with too much time on their hands. These pseudo anarchists are from the same vein as the garbage who protested during the 1960's. But as you can observe, the US no longer allows these vermin to run amok.
That's right the facsit current government has taken away the right to protest and basically burned the constitution that you semperfaithful if you even served sworn to protect from enemies foreign and domestic. I served in the 101 and I don't like what I see is their a flag pole end waiting for me from brainwashed puppets or am I as well as others faithful to the constitution allowed to disent with wrongs against the public?
If that Anarchist brigade walked through Police lines and literally tried to seize the Capitol building, I wonder how far they would get before the Police opened fire?
Anarcho-communism (like the protesters with red/black flags = Capitalist -> collective anarchism
Totalitarian regimes like that of stalin should be called totalitarian socialism. Communists want the same thing anarchists want, they just think its not goingto happen instantly, and we need a transitionary phase of socialism to re-train the population.
you will never attain peace in this world aslong as human beings exist there will always be conflict. anarchy will not work like communism. strong people have to stay strong or weak people will try to bring them down. if anarchy existed people would hoarde everything and kill each other
you have a typical rightwing argument that's based on atavism. Who the heck told you these things. Man has existed in 'communalist' organization for over 6 million years. that's right , 6 million. Oppression and exploitation of man by man is only 8 thousand years old. But that's what rightwing idiots don't know. Anthropology, read it.
If a slave decides he is no longer a slave, would you call him arrogant? If being good to you means being a slave and giving in to threats and blackmail, then I am a traitor. I hope you accept the consequences of your nationalist fervor.
Yes, I'm not nationalistic. Call me a traitor, yell "Treason"! It's okay. Under the constitution, I have the freedom to say that. The constitution supports liberty.
gosh you're so ignorant. so if culture said incarcerate your mom and dad because they're white, or protestant, or whatever, that would be ok? because the "culture" demanded it? I have news for you little one, "culture" and the ignorance behind it is responsible fr the genocide of millions to date-perhaps billions--the Constitution is the protection of individual PEOPLE--not groups--please get your ass out of your heat.
Ask yourself, What is Culture? It isn't something that kills people. Culture is what the society generally believes in and acts like. The constitution is a piece of paper, and the government is MAFIA. The current "admins" have no respect for liberty. They are statists.
Yeah, I understand you were taught to think that. But I was just brainwashed differently. I could care less about the country. Humanity as a whole is greater than any country. The state is imaginary. I tend to focus on the real day-to-day interactions between humans and their environment.
Allegiance to a nation or a culture is what separates people, it creates violence.
Well, I could care less for nationalism and communism. Liberty is the most important for me. And, don't look into it further. Look at it this way, I was brainwashed through my whole life to regard liberty as the greatest value, and I am merely expressing what has been expressed on me. Communism inhibits freedom.
Refutation: war is caused by the lack of resources and the instinctual urge to use violence. Intellectualism and Anarchism combined would not resemble Somalia
Economic restrictions will certainly lead to anger and dissent. You cannot make a population content by taking their money and redistributing their blood and sweat. It simply isn't moral to do so without their consent. And if they consent, then you don't need the government to do it, they can help people voluntarily.
Left-Anarchists stand for a highly organized society with no poverty, homelessness or centralized oppression. Anarcho-Communists are certainly Left-Anarchists (Anarcho-capitalism is a sick joke.) All you 'tards who don't know what anarchism is read Kropotkin or shut the fuck up.
Well bro, i'm a marxist-leninist (don't be hatin yo lol, we have the same goals at least albeit not the means).But yeah, i totally get what you are saying. Liberatrianism (anarcho-capitalism) is a pathetic rightwing attempt to coopt leftist cultural hegemony . Ideas that seem 'sexy' to young fellas
Ahaha, I love how anarchist groups mobilize and organize these activities. Isn't organizing and being in groups kinda going against the whole tenet of anarchy?
That depends on whether or not you are an idividualist anarchist or a collectivist anarchist. Technically speaking, there is nothing anti-anarchy about association or group action. So long as there is no coercive leadership, then getting together to fuck shit up is not against anarchy.
The first point I can kinda concede on, but I never really saw the point in the whole "fucking shit up" aspect. I mean, really, who does that garner support from besides other anarchists?
*sighs* Well, at least in china, there's no starving people, everyone has a place to live, health care, the list goes on. You don't have to worry about the government shooting you here...they'll have the corporations kill you, whether if it's via money, or health, or what not. I think it's time for a revolution here anyways...any one up for it???
Why do people always associate anarchism and communism. Anarchism society with no government to tell you what to do where people live peacefully with one another. Communism is where the government ownes everything and people live in constant oppression.
hey man im just have gotin in to the move ment this year. if we keep on doing this it's not going to work everyone needs to get weapons and breakdown the wall to the white house and kill bush
I hope they enjoyed that, if only they lived in say.... China... Oh wait, they would be shot and killed. I guess our government is not too bad after all.
Comparing our rights to Chinese rights isn't saying much for America. Of course the U.S. has more rights than CHINA, that doesn't make America better than...Canada, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Mexico, or Japan.....and any other country where you don't get shot for voicing your opinion.
That doesn't say anything at all FOR the U.S. government. Of course america has more rights than CHINA. That's not newsworthy.
U.S. citizens can voice dissent, so the fuck what....so can citizens of Mexico, Switzerland, Canada, Ireland, Germany,Australia, Japan.....the list goes on and on. I've never been to (nor do I know anything about) Greenland, but I'm willing to guess ANYONE there can say something anti-government and not get shot.
go read about greenscare and about redscare. Even though we have more rights to organize on some levels you start doing stuff the u.s government doesnt like they arent gonna ignore it. Same with most governments
We all have the freedom to our thoughts opinions and actions.these people were just fighting for what they believed was right though i may not agree with it or you may not get the f*** over it.
ZOG is an ACCURATE PROVABLE discription.FACT-Wolfowitz,Perle,Feith,AIPAC,many producers of media and owners...all zionists,many wealthy political contributors...Bush is a fool and a puppet.I am NO white supremacist,all supremacists are neurotic control freaks be they aryan,jewish,asian,black,...I make distinctions you know.Jewish *special interests* and the jewish people are not synonymous nor did I ever claim.
If I critiqued European colonialism would I be a racist?Of course not,it's sad that i have to go out of the way to prove that I'm not a dreaded racist for critiquing elitist special interests just because they happen to be of the Jewish stripe.
Most of these anarchists are brainwashed college cowards who don't dare speak out against ZOG.War for oil,yeah that's generic and unoffensive.The war was/is for Israel,get a clue.
IF ISRAEL WAS BEHIND EVERYTHING THEY WOULDN'T OF LET THE US AND BRITISH STICK THEM IN THE WORST POSSIBLE LOCATION TO SECRETLY RUN THE WORLD...GET A CLUE...OIL NOT JEWS. THE JEWS ARE NO ROSE GARDEN FOR SURE, BUT IF THEY ARE SECRETELY RUNNING THE WORLD THEN THEY ARE BEING PRETY UNPRODUCTIVE DON'T YOU THINK...OH WAIT, NO YOU DON'T THINK...i COULD ALREADY TELL.
Not "everything",stop misrepresenting."Clean break",AIPAC,marxist roots of neoconservatism,"New york money people",Jewish run corporate media,Corporate media skewing favor to Israel over palestine(SEVERELY),Jewish influence publishing,Hollywood,holocaust victim paranoia,...Are you THAT stupid or are you a zionazi yourself???
European Zionists themselves pushed the issue of acquiring Palestinian territory you fool.The have IT AND international residency TOO with the perks of politically influencing all governments where they reside.I don't have the space or time to educate somebody as ignorant as yourself.
The anarchists carrying shields is to fend from any police officers attacking the protest. Though, sometimes the demonstrators are to blame for riots, a majority are cause by police action. Protests, no matter how peaceful, are often attacked.
revolt!
McMuffin752 3 weeks ago
occupy!
DgurlSunshine 3 months ago
@DgurlSunshine Occupy on! Viv(A)
SiouxSyndicate 3 weeks ago
Anything about Anarchy in chicago...let me know...
stingingtruth 3 months ago
@stingingtruth Libertarian Anarchist outreach something is Chicago I think. Google for it
HorrorHiro 3 months ago
@HorrorHiro thank you i will google it
stingingtruth 3 months ago
We need militant anarchism in the US. That'll teach politicians not to fuck with us.
gmodassassin 6 months ago
VIVA LA CNT LONG LIVE THE IWW
death9719 6 months ago
@death9719
Viva la CNT, Long live the IWA you mean I suppose
UtrechtAutonoom 6 months ago
@UtrechtAutonoom yes i'm half asleep i have been studing for these retarded exams my school gives in the summer
death9719 6 months ago
@UtrechtAutonoom yes i am half asleep from a fight i got into with some friends and some exams
death9719 6 months ago
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death9719 6 months ago
why is it they always have the swat teams at anardhist movements but never any other movements
dlyehl 1 year ago
we all know we are all sick of state oppresion and trough this i want congratulate the greek ANARCHIST who sent mail bombs to worldwide stratigic targets and althought you forgot to sent one to the offshore banks whom colaborate with such attrotocities on people regular people ill say i like you will keep up the fight.
salvadorian2 1 year ago
There are many thoughts on violence in terms of revolution in Anarchism ranging in a large spectrum. Many Syndicalist do not see the destruction of property as violent, and would harm another person, except in issues of protecting themselves from the Fascist Neo Nazi's, who in Europe see them as enemy number one, as well as from cops.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
@Gettinghitonattheban
However, many other anarchists are Pacifists, any only respect civil disobedience. Similarly, other anarchist (more connected to Mutualism) see property as an extension of the self. Therefore, harming property is harming a person. Then again exceptions are made for limited liability corporations.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
See peaceful anarchist.
to many dumb asses this is a contridiction
Like propagandhi900 said anarchy=nonviolence
But too many people use the term anarchist as a reason to cause havoc its fuckin pointless to cause destruction. No one will ever achieve anything through violence
andyxkaragiozi 1 year ago
I was there-what a battle! The Capitol Police tried to make a stand at 3ed Street, but could not stand against those Roman Army style shields, a 700 strong Bloc-and possibly 1/2 MILLION mainstream protesters who could see everything. We pounded them all the way to the very doors of the US Capitol and people left their mark-literally. I laughed my ass off when some GOP swine called for an investigation> Why is it nobody steps it up like this TODAY???
lukefromdc 1 year ago
Some middle-upper-class, yank, rich-kids, with too much time on their hands, probably all college or uni students. backed up by their '60/70's hippy-chick parents... received a '''warning''' that it MAY come to DRAFTING troops into an army if the 'lower-classes' wouldn't enlist, & that meant 'lil precious', going to a WARZONE!
By 'lower-classes', include blacks, cos most whites in the US don't care a fuck about racism, if they did, they'd demonstarte in harlem, Compton, etc, with their 'bro's'!
121Bollox 1 year ago
@121Bollox This shit is bigger then racism and who you represent! And its bigger then what class you're from. Damn wake up! There are some evil plans in the works and if there is no resistance then you're gonna hate life in the future!
There shouldn't even be a fucking war! War is terrorism! Aint no better then religious extremists.
27thepusher 1 year ago
@27thepusher -You're very correct. Great sentiment. War is atrocious, but as long as my country is at war, no matter what the causes, rationale or goal, we have kids dying for what they believe in, so you have the ABILITY to 'resist' Through millennia of the same solid ideology & determination as our troops show now!
They don't need to know of discord, hatred, & bullshit, as they are ducking for cover, using their dead friends if need be, as a shield! They've the fucking right to NOT hear your.
121Bollox 1 year ago
theres a protest against the world bank april 23d-24th 2010 in wahsington dc we need everyone message me for details
Newworldordermetal 1 year ago
"When the national assembly becomes theater, all theaters should be turned into national assemblies."
toiletsrus 2 years ago 4
i don't know you, One time than the anarchy will here, what's going on ?? war, misery, arms, .... no ???
yolovema 2 years ago
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1prodan1 2 years ago 3
We must regain control of the government within the confines of it's own corruption...we too must become corrupt and violent (in their eyes) to overcome their choke-hold on society and establish true freedom!
KyleKing696 2 years ago
You're missing the point. We don't want to regain control of government. We want to abolish the very idea of government, hierarchy, and the capitalist/state system.
CrawdaddyJoe 2 years ago 4
@CrawdaddyJoe Exactly, finally someone who understands.
27thepusher 1 year ago
@KyleKing696 Any form of government is slavery. We are all currently slaves.
27thepusher 1 year ago
Faithless endeavors bleed through my pores
This life, like a disease infested whore
Delusional thoughts fed to us on a rusted spoon
Overbearing, corrupt government supported by the blindness and stupidity of society
Pitiful stale existence...mind over matter...create a beautiful disaster
Rip the heart out of humanity, feasting upon it to become stronger
Destroy the structure of the controlled world
Soak the ground with the blood of the puppet masters
Cut the strings and rise above
KyleKing696 2 years ago
Paint the walls with their brains and beliefs
The blind leading the blind...force fed grief
Tear the will from their souls...no more impersonating freedom
Democracy + Hypocrisy = Idiocy
A well orchestrated illusion with melodramatic confusion
Frail bones crumble under the weight of revolution
Speak out, rise up, lash out, think, unite...
Revolt, overpower, overturn, destroy, fight...
Never conform...never give in...
We're never truly free until the end...
KyleKing696 2 years ago
did you see the pig with a camera there? watch out for those guys they take pics of the leaders and any potential trouble makers and then pick them up on false charges (usually) later on
CommieRower08 2 years ago
A true anarchy would never work. Anarchy can only lead to the swift grasp of control by the powerful.
TheOnlineCommunity 2 years ago
anarchy vs fashisum.... i kno whos side im on
GrungerLuke 2 years ago
Yes, anarchy does have to do with violence and rioting insofar as that is a potential mode of behaviour, and insofar as that is permissible without authority. You may not desire that. Fine. But it is nonetheless a potential outcome of anarchy, just as mass love ins are: that is the point of anarchy. We are free to do as we please with the potentialities.
mickcrackersss 2 years ago
anarchy simply means no government. Whatever results from having no government is thus TRUE anarchy. Obviously the same results will not appear every time as society is a collection of individual will. THAT is the point: CREATIVE destruction, no gods no masters!
mickcrackersss 2 years ago
I agree.i didnt post that comment my friend left my account logged in when he commented.i feel that anarchy is a (mostly) peaceful,lawless state, but like communism it would not work, people are always going to try to come to power and control everything.but in a true sense, anarchy is sometimes violent, its a transitional phase between government. and sometimes it is necesary to put aside peace and take up arms. fighting is not anarchy, but the chaos that ultimately ensues, is in fact Anarchy.
bobxbones 2 years ago
anarchy is never chaos.
when we go on the street and protest against the state and so on, and we use violence...that is not anarchy in that moment. that is just the way we behave when facing against this system. when we are back home and live in peace...THAT is anarchy! that is the time we show anarchism
6ch6ris6 2 years ago 3
Americans are a bunch of pussies.
start some fires true Black bloc dont just walk away thier force to walk away. they set shit on fire. americans are all hippies. you guys arent Anarchist, your hippies.
bobxbones 2 years ago
I consider myself to be an anarchist, but I reject the idea of unnecessary or justified violents. It hasn't got anything to do with being a pussy, it's got something to do with being sensible. Why the hell would you wanna express being an anarchist by setting shit on fire. That's only perpetuating a stereotype about anarchists, it has nothing to do with anarchism as far as I'm concerned.
DennisDuine 2 years ago 2
yeah anarchy has nothing to do with violence. it is just the opposite.
but you will never achieve a revolution without violence against the fascists that violate you. because they are just too powerful. have you seen the videos from g20 in pittsbourgh?
we will never win against this system if we dont use violence against it.
6ch6ris6 2 years ago
Anarchy is not = violence.
Anarchy has nothing to do with violence, chaos, destruction or rioting.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago 20
@Propagandhi900 I agree with you, but what happens if state repression strikes us? won't anarchists fight back? remember that in spain, anarchist workers were very militant in defending the republic and themselves against the fascist pronunciamento... and they didnt take up arms against their democratic "allies" up until the point they were attacked...
krabbcake 1 year ago
@krabbcake I agree 100%.
I believe in violent revolution. I believe in using violent force to protect the society that the workers fought for.
Propagandhi900 1 year ago
@Propagandhi900 agreed, but things don't have to start with a violent manner, other than the practical denial of capitalist and hierarchical structures and norms. as durruti had said, the new world will be built within the old world's shell! of course when state mechanisms counter attack, anarchists don't have, and must not, to be peaceful sheep but weary wolves! solidarity from greece (A)
krabbcake 1 year ago
@Propagandhi900 violence is oppression, every cop you kill has a family that will seek revenge, every capitalist pig, every politician, all have children that will grow up remembering who killed their parents and what they stood for. As the band who your name is taken from points out about violence, "who's will would that represent? mine or the rank and file or better yet, the government? but I dont want to catalyze or synthesize the second final solution."
robbypyn 1 year ago
@robbypyn
Who said anything about killing cops or politicians?
Violence can be used to oppress. I agree.
HOWEVER, violence can be used to STOP oppression.
A violent revolution is necessary. There is no peaceful way to achieve and maintain socialism.
I'm sorry, but those killed defending capitalism against us communists who will fight for it's demise is nothing to the millions worldwide who die as a result of the capitalist system still being in place.
Propagandhi900 1 year ago
@Propagandhi900 no violent revolution has ever really changed anything, the oppressed become the oppressors and the cycle starts over again. non-violent civil disobedience is much more effective, but you need not take my word for it, just take a long hard look at history, anyone's version of history, and you the pattern becomes clear.
robbypyn 1 year ago
@robbypyn
Actually, violent revolutions have changed things. Most times for the better. The USSR is a prime example.
Propagandhi900 1 year ago
@Propagandhi900
Except when the Bolsheviks turned against the anarchist like the Authoritarian pricks they were.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
@Gettinghitonattheban
The Bolsheviks during Lenin's reign did not oppress the anarchists. Trotsky discussed it in a speech he made, that Anarchists were not, and should not be imprisoned soley for their ideals. They were comrades. However, many criminals, Trotsky called them pseudoanarchists, merely professed solidarity to anarchism in prison or after their release.
I'm not going to excuse the authoritarianism of Leninism, or the Bolsheviks, because I am neither a Leninist or a Trotskyist.
Propagandhi900 1 year ago
@Propagandhi90
That was pure propaganda. The speech you refger too whas just before the red army attacked the black guards
UtrechtAutonoom 6 months ago
@UtrechtAutonoom You're mostly right yes.
Propagandhi900 6 months ago
@Propagandhi900 Anarchists do
jibety66 1 year ago
@jibety66
Being a former anarchist, no they do not.
They believe in violent revolution. But not violence and destruction in an unorganized way.
Propagandhi900 1 year ago
grow up
AnarchistInTheUK 2 years ago
well i personally think we need to be violent against the state and against authorities, BUT i would rather see a peaceful revolution, because i am a pacifist.
but well you are right. revolutions are always violent. and you can only beat a violent system with violence. but after that, when anarchy is the new form of society, all anarchists are peaceful again.
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6ch6ris6 2 years ago 2
I contend the best revolutionary strategy is gradualism and dual power, combined with a willingness to practice self-defensive violence, and augmented with an attack in the form of civil disobedience and nonviolent direct action. This combines nonviolent, constructive, and insurrectionary forms of direct action.
CrawdaddyJoe 2 years ago 5
@6ch6ris6 I think Gandhi proved very clearly that non-violence can easily beat a violent system, not really sure where your argument comes from.
robbypyn 1 year ago
ACAB
giodoh 2 years ago 2
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the reason they can protest is because of military recruiters and police. =) minarchy ftw
staphoz 3 years ago
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Those niggers are doing nothing but being fucking dumb smelly hippys sucking eachothers emo fucking whiny cocks
faggots
punkasfuck1337 3 years ago
bunch of niggers those niggers are saving this country you retarded fuck
jearthestoner 3 years ago 3
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bunch of niggers
punkasfuck1337 3 years ago
again, punkasfuck is as punk as blink 182. Fuck off you douche. Phony cunt!
davyjones20000 3 years ago 4
bunch of niggers? you're a idiot
IceXMan789 3 years ago 4
Are you a racist?If the answer is "yes",then I could have you assassinated!!!
anarksee 3 years ago
theres a anarchist paramilitary called pm5 i saw on history channel those bitches r tuf
nightmaresniper7 3 years ago
yeah do u want to join? if u do then msg me
adrenaline1127 3 years ago
SONG?
gingerpride666 3 years ago
Solidarity from your comrades in Florida.
Socialist Party of Florida!
spusaiww 3 years ago
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Leftist Anarchists are a joke. The only way to bring down the free market/capitalism is to use violence and oppression. As soon as you brought down the system, there would be someone starting up an efficient business. Capitalism is the natural order (and I'm not talking about corporatism - I'm talking about a TRUE free market)
AppleCider99 3 years ago
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Violence should be a tactic and not a strategy or a goal plan. It can be effective and it will be necessary in a revolution but if you think relying solely on that will bring about any real change then you're not thinking this through. You talk of bringing down oppression and violence yet are willing to support capitalism (its the same thing whatever you call it) which has systematically enabled the injustices of the world today along with the help of the state.
AtlantistoInterzone 3 years ago
Capitalism can be brought down when you decide to bring it down. It does not require oppression.
KafkaCrow 3 years ago
i wonder how many anarchist own a business because if i were to vandelise it i wonder if they would be pissed hummmmmmm...
MyturBinisdrty 3 years ago
I like how everytime honest citizens go and protest Bush and the Fascist state coming to the US, they are always labelled "Anarchists" and "evil-doers that should be tasered"
wtf???
Wolffe5 3 years ago
"Anarchist... assembling?
doesn't that.... defeat the point?"
N...no..
flyingpants 3 years ago
Geez... Don't you get sick of ignorant morons saying "Anarchist... assembling?
doesn't that.... defeat the point?"
No, it doesn't. It means a collection of individuals coming together with a common objective. Dick.
kazaamBLAM 3 years ago 4
Yeah. It would be nice if we didn't have to spell out "solidarity" to everyone we mentioned anarchy to.
smthngdffrnt 3 years ago
Anarchist... assembling?
doesn't that.... defeat the point?
insanityworks 3 years ago
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i say we have a straight white christian pride parade. it'd be alot more offensive and punk rock. anarchists are gay-wads. crappy song too.
johnnyappallseed 3 years ago
try us you homophobic fuck
jessefriesen 3 years ago 2
They have a straight white christian pride parade every day, it's called Life in the USA.
mutedmajority 3 years ago
Typical rich white anarchists rebel from their rich white parents. At least they aren't as brainwashed as "Semperfaithful" the "Pro-American Heterosexual"
dempseyprice 3 years ago
4th July 2008 - World Wide Protests against the Fascist Bush New World Order Regime.
4th July 2008 - Outside the White House in Washington DC
4th July 2008 - Outside the House of Parliament in London
4th July 2008 - Outside new US embassy in Berlin (Pariser Platz/ Brandenburg Tor)
Other cities announced:
Rome and Athens. More cities to take part.
The time for us all to unite and grab the power from murderous and corrupt politicians and return it to the people where it belongs is NOW! Unite!!
BreakingTheMatrix 3 years ago 2
I hate is when Pogs and marine wannabes start talking trash. Realize real lies fuck the commander in chief, pledge allegiance to the people.
ByAnyAndAllMeans 3 years ago 4
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Anarchists are too ashamed to show their identity so they wear banadanas to protests. I've been to quite a few protests where these antiamerican faggots were and we beat the shit out them. It's great to hear them whine and cry while their on the ground. One time a cretin was about to burn an American flag. I got hold of the flag and started shoving it down the animals throat.
semperfaithful 3 years ago
fuck you fuckin fascist scum!
SilverNrGy985 3 years ago
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why is it always rich white kids who are all about anarchy?
CodeOuch 3 years ago
it means you need to turn off your television and take a peak at the real world.
ctown325 3 years ago 13
that doesn't answer anything....
CodeOuch 3 years ago
Or does it answer everything...? Give it a try first:)
ctown325 3 years ago 4
CodeOuch.. Absolutely correct... Typical white children with too much time on their hands. These pseudo anarchists are from the same vein as the garbage who protested during the 1960's. But as you can observe, the US no longer allows these vermin to run amok.
semperfaithful 3 years ago
That's right the facsit current government has taken away the right to protest and basically burned the constitution that you semperfaithful if you even served sworn to protect from enemies foreign and domestic. I served in the 101 and I don't like what I see is their a flag pole end waiting for me from brainwashed puppets or am I as well as others faithful to the constitution allowed to disent with wrongs against the public?
enlightened58 3 years ago 2
Capitalism (when it is not corrupted by a mix of businesses with government) and anarchism are good. Communism sucks.
SLCThunk 3 years ago 4
Now would be the best time to uprise with all the military at Mexico and Iraq, lol, Bush is an idiot.
Anarchist09 3 years ago
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Remember folks...ALWAYS OBEY THE LAW.
ffairlane57 3 years ago
which law?
oniuqasirhc 3 years ago 2
the idiots that rated him down are the idiots that didnt understand
heeh2 3 years ago
any1 know what song this is? great vid btw.
5mutpolice 4 years ago
If that Anarchist brigade walked through Police lines and literally tried to seize the Capitol building, I wonder how far they would get before the Police opened fire?
redwii23 4 years ago
why would they want 2 seize the capitol building? nothing there but a buncha war addicted corrupt bribe taking pigs.
5mutpolice 4 years ago
To declare the Revolution as offically begun and the congress as null and void.
redwii23 4 years ago 3
thatd be nice :)
5mutpolice 4 years ago
Communism = Capitalism -> socialism -> collective anarchism
Anarcho-communism (like the protesters with red/black flags = Capitalist -> collective anarchism
Totalitarian regimes like that of stalin should be called totalitarian socialism. Communists want the same thing anarchists want, they just think its not goingto happen instantly, and we need a transitionary phase of socialism to re-train the population.
Coprolal1an 4 years ago 2
you will never attain peace in this world aslong as human beings exist there will always be conflict. anarchy will not work like communism. strong people have to stay strong or weak people will try to bring them down. if anarchy existed people would hoarde everything and kill each other
odinblessithig 4 years ago
Anarchy worked quite well in spain, if only they were more militarized it might have continued to work..
As far as communism, (e.g. stalinism/maoism), I find it quite funny that they want the same thing (anarchism), but through a dictator..
Picatta 4 years ago 2
you have a typical rightwing argument that's based on atavism. Who the heck told you these things. Man has existed in 'communalist' organization for over 6 million years. that's right , 6 million. Oppression and exploitation of man by man is only 8 thousand years old. But that's what rightwing idiots don't know. Anthropology, read it.
jeanpaulfelix 3 years ago
yeh, too bad the communalist organizations never got anything done... they ate and they worked. that was pretty much it
TheCapitalistKid 3 years ago
No. I mean it has worked for humanity for all of history. Trial and Error. Specialization, Innovation, and Civilization.
visioninverse 4 years ago
Trial and Error. Yes, it's worked for us in the past...
visioninverse 4 years ago
If you put your hand in the fire, you learn not to touch it.
visioninverse 4 years ago
True in some places. Not true in others. In this way, destructive cultures will learn not to be destructive.
visioninverse 4 years ago
If you can't look past the prejudices of race and ethnicity then you are doomed to violence whether there is a state or not. States kill for power.
visioninverse 4 years ago
War, violence, tyranny.
visioninverse 4 years ago
If a slave decides he is no longer a slave, would you call him arrogant? If being good to you means being a slave and giving in to threats and blackmail, then I am a traitor. I hope you accept the consequences of your nationalist fervor.
visioninverse 4 years ago 2
Yes, I'm not nationalistic. Call me a traitor, yell "Treason"! It's okay. Under the constitution, I have the freedom to say that. The constitution supports liberty.
visioninverse 4 years ago 3
Who cares what the constitution says? I don't need anyone to tell me what my rights are.
decontrol4unis 4 years ago
I don't care what the constitution says. It's just a piece of paper. It's the culture that matters.
visioninverse 4 years ago 2
gosh you're so ignorant. so if culture said incarcerate your mom and dad because they're white, or protestant, or whatever, that would be ok? because the "culture" demanded it? I have news for you little one, "culture" and the ignorance behind it is responsible fr the genocide of millions to date-perhaps billions--the Constitution is the protection of individual PEOPLE--not groups--please get your ass out of your heat.
bloodycortez 4 years ago
Ask yourself, What is Culture? It isn't something that kills people. Culture is what the society generally believes in and acts like. The constitution is a piece of paper, and the government is MAFIA. The current "admins" have no respect for liberty. They are statists.
visioninverse 4 years ago
Yeah, I understand you were taught to think that. But I was just brainwashed differently. I could care less about the country. Humanity as a whole is greater than any country. The state is imaginary. I tend to focus on the real day-to-day interactions between humans and their environment.
Allegiance to a nation or a culture is what separates people, it creates violence.
visioninverse 4 years ago 2
Well, I could care less for nationalism and communism. Liberty is the most important for me. And, don't look into it further. Look at it this way, I was brainwashed through my whole life to regard liberty as the greatest value, and I am merely expressing what has been expressed on me. Communism inhibits freedom.
visioninverse 4 years ago
There are four extremes: fascism, anarchism, socialism, and totalitarianism.
Totalitarianism is restrictive.
Anarchy is permissive.
Socialism is socially permissive, but economically restrictive.
Fascism is economically permissive, but socially permissive.
I value permissiveness because I think restriction stagnates a society. I value liberty. Organized Anarchy.
visioninverse 4 years ago
1st: anarchists are gay and have no life
Refutation: Ad hominem, false argument
2nd: constant war
Refutation: war is caused by the lack of resources and the instinctual urge to use violence. Intellectualism and Anarchism combined would not resemble Somalia
3rd: Totalitarianism = Peace
Refutation: Give me liberty, or give me death.
visioninverse 4 years ago
Economic restrictions will certainly lead to anger and dissent. You cannot make a population content by taking their money and redistributing their blood and sweat. It simply isn't moral to do so without their consent. And if they consent, then you don't need the government to do it, they can help people voluntarily.
visioninverse 4 years ago
Left-Anarchists stand for a highly organized society with no poverty, homelessness or centralized oppression. Anarcho-Communists are certainly Left-Anarchists (Anarcho-capitalism is a sick joke.) All you 'tards who don't know what anarchism is read Kropotkin or shut the fuck up.
samiegray 4 years ago 2
Well bro, i'm a marxist-leninist (don't be hatin yo lol, we have the same goals at least albeit not the means).But yeah, i totally get what you are saying. Liberatrianism (anarcho-capitalism) is a pathetic rightwing attempt to coopt leftist cultural hegemony . Ideas that seem 'sexy' to young fellas
jeanpaulfelix 3 years ago
bed wetting little weasels.
xsomeguyx101 4 years ago
pretty good, but unfortunate shot of the WCW poster. if you want to change the world, you have to kill bob avakian!
victorhazzard 4 years ago
WORLD WIDE RALLEY SEPT. 22
SAY NO TO A CORRUPT ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND HUMAN CHIPPING!
GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR FUTURE! SPREAD THE WORD TO THE WORLD !!!
youtube. com/watch?v=z-R8s2YDdVg
im2fast2catch 4 years ago
chanting and posters?? how about some guns!
heemlo 4 years ago
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google gibberish translator.
BlacklitFloater 4 years ago
I think should realize communists are the opposite of anarchists. Vis a Vis Central planning vs. No government
Cakehater 4 years ago
belive it or not most anarchist are more peaceful than most persedent-ass licking imperalists
latinanarchist 4 years ago
The Ron Paul Revolution
needsumsun 4 years ago
Well I llok at it as Establishing Communities Acording to the beliefs and needs of others
as long as those communities keep from interfereing in the way of life of others
and yes scottbrown666 YOu have no Idea what is about to happen with your Beloved Facist Regeme.
Fatmanlimbo 4 years ago
Ahaha, I love how anarchist groups mobilize and organize these activities. Isn't organizing and being in groups kinda going against the whole tenet of anarchy?
RiotShield 4 years ago
That depends on whether or not you are an idividualist anarchist or a collectivist anarchist. Technically speaking, there is nothing anti-anarchy about association or group action. So long as there is no coercive leadership, then getting together to fuck shit up is not against anarchy.
pictgirl 4 years ago 2
The first point I can kinda concede on, but I never really saw the point in the whole "fucking shit up" aspect. I mean, really, who does that garner support from besides other anarchists?
RiotShield 4 years ago
That's nonsense. Anarchists oppose compulsory governmnet, not voluntary organization.
Bellator656 4 years ago 2
Problem some voluntary organisations are now taking on unelected political power, this is wrong, in our area One North East could wear that banner.
Our County Council is already in discussions over shadow government control at a county level.
and has full permission to do so off Hazel Blears secretary of State Communities, the destruction of democracy is underway.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
shut the fuck up
beamer1333 4 years ago
*sighs* Well, at least in china, there's no starving people, everyone has a place to live, health care, the list goes on. You don't have to worry about the government shooting you here...they'll have the corporations kill you, whether if it's via money, or health, or what not. I think it's time for a revolution here anyways...any one up for it???
lostinmilw 4 years ago
our gov. is as evil as they say its just verry well hidden and most americans dont relize it because they follow the media etc.
gangsterfosho 4 years ago
fuck you scottbrown666 your to blind to see any of what the government is doing you stupid prick
clayfighter666 4 years ago
you stupid anarchists. In the US you are so free that you can't claim that you want to be even more free.
ScottBrown666 4 years ago
fuck black bloc, anarchist and comunism.
renatomilano1977 4 years ago
Fuck you sir
Demonfish666 4 years ago
Why do people always associate anarchism and communism. Anarchism society with no government to tell you what to do where people live peacefully with one another. Communism is where the government ownes everything and people live in constant oppression.
GalfordHeat 4 years ago
That's wrong. Marx's idea of a communist society where people cooperated and distributed goods according to need is similar to anarchism.
radiofreejuan 4 years ago
ya that is true i dont know what i was thinking when i wrote that.
GalfordHeat 4 years ago
Nice video.
darktiduss 4 years ago
hey man im just have gotin in to the move ment this year. if we keep on doing this it's not going to work everyone needs to get weapons and breakdown the wall to the white house and kill bush
clayfighter666 4 years ago
That's not how it works, that would just usher in fascism (full on) - the last thing we want.
darktiduss 4 years ago
YOU FUCKING RAT! DIE NARC DIE (of natural causes, but slowly and painfully)
ScottBrown666 4 years ago
I was there that day.. infact im in the video several times
the cop around 1:37 was a fucking uncle tom prick. Fucm him, fuck em all
FatNasty919 4 years ago
I hope they enjoyed that, if only they lived in say.... China... Oh wait, they would be shot and killed. I guess our government is not too bad after all.
wrestler08 4 years ago
Sometimes I wish our Gov. was as evil as they say. At least they would finally shut up.
boscogump 4 years ago
Comparing our rights to Chinese rights isn't saying much for America. Of course the U.S. has more rights than CHINA, that doesn't make America better than...Canada, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Mexico, or Japan.....and any other country where you don't get shot for voicing your opinion.
vo57 4 years ago
That doesn't say anything at all FOR the U.S. government. Of course america has more rights than CHINA. That's not newsworthy.
U.S. citizens can voice dissent, so the fuck what....so can citizens of Mexico, Switzerland, Canada, Ireland, Germany,Australia, Japan.....the list goes on and on. I've never been to (nor do I know anything about) Greenland, but I'm willing to guess ANYONE there can say something anti-government and not get shot.
vo57 4 years ago
go read about greenscare and about redscare. Even though we have more rights to organize on some levels you start doing stuff the u.s government doesnt like they arent gonna ignore it. Same with most governments
antiflagpwns 4 years ago
We all have the freedom to our thoughts opinions and actions.these people were just fighting for what they believed was right though i may not agree with it or you may not get the f*** over it.
moonlitXrain 4 years ago
FUCK AN ANARCHIST FUCK A NAZI AND FUCK YOu MIDWESTINSURGENT !!! MOVE to Somalia They are in a state
of anarchy Oh whoops dont move there they would slaughter you!
M4Nmbr56 4 years ago
Anarchism is the opposition to hierarchy. Somalia is run by petty warlords and businessmen, so there is a hierarchy there.
radiofreejuan 4 years ago
Moron.
TrystanCJ 4 years ago
ZOG is an ACCURATE PROVABLE discription.FACT-Wolfowitz,Perle,Feith,AIPAC,many producers of media and owners...all zionists,many wealthy political contributors...Bush is a fool and a puppet.I am NO white supremacist,all supremacists are neurotic control freaks be they aryan,jewish,asian,black,...I make distinctions you know.Jewish *special interests* and the jewish people are not synonymous nor did I ever claim.
tinrooflighthouse 4 years ago
If I critiqued European colonialism would I be a racist?Of course not,it's sad that i have to go out of the way to prove that I'm not a dreaded racist for critiquing elitist special interests just because they happen to be of the Jewish stripe.
tinrooflighthouse 4 years ago
ZOG is a racist term used by white supremacists to justify violence and hatred against Jewish people.
I know folks have the capacity to argue about Israel without using racist language.
Please refute my claims that you are a racist nazi or I will delete these comments.
MidwestInsurgent 4 years ago
Most of these anarchists are brainwashed college cowards who don't dare speak out against ZOG.War for oil,yeah that's generic and unoffensive.The war was/is for Israel,get a clue.
tinrooflighthouse 4 years ago
IF ISRAEL WAS BEHIND EVERYTHING THEY WOULDN'T OF LET THE US AND BRITISH STICK THEM IN THE WORST POSSIBLE LOCATION TO SECRETLY RUN THE WORLD...GET A CLUE...OIL NOT JEWS. THE JEWS ARE NO ROSE GARDEN FOR SURE, BUT IF THEY ARE SECRETELY RUNNING THE WORLD THEN THEY ARE BEING PRETY UNPRODUCTIVE DON'T YOU THINK...OH WAIT, NO YOU DON'T THINK...i COULD ALREADY TELL.
laotsu7777 4 years ago
Not "everything",stop misrepresenting."Clean break",AIPAC,marxist roots of neoconservatism,"New york money people",Jewish run corporate media,Corporate media skewing favor to Israel over palestine(SEVERELY),Jewish influence publishing,Hollywood,holocaust victim paranoia,...Are you THAT stupid or are you a zionazi yourself???
tinrooflighthouse 4 years ago
European Zionists themselves pushed the issue of acquiring Palestinian territory you fool.The have IT AND international residency TOO with the perks of politically influencing all governments where they reside.I don't have the space or time to educate somebody as ignorant as yourself.
tinrooflighthouse 4 years ago
who cares who starts it. If the anarchists do it is a good thing: video tape the police over reaction and help defund these fascists.
laotsu7777 4 years ago
The anarchists carrying shields is to fend from any police officers attacking the protest. Though, sometimes the demonstrators are to blame for riots, a majority are cause by police action. Protests, no matter how peaceful, are often attacked.
PunkSkaOi 4 years ago