Education is accepting that every single science-based medical and psychological association in the world agrees there is overwhelming evidence NOBODY CHOOSES HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND NOBODY CHANGES IT AT WILL. Plus, the list of churches welcoming gays is growing all the time.
So, after the "miracle" transformation, he tells us he spends 5 years in a loving gay relationship. Then he blames the Lord for his desire to break-up with the man the Lord gave him. Sad. The "voices" in his head are not from the Lord, they reveal his own inner conflicts. He lives in a community which hates homosexuals. No wonder some of that seeped in.
God is a jealous God, he will have no others before Him. this means; We must not love anything more than we love God, not drugs, not our partners, not our children, not our pets, not our Money, or our homes, not our clothes, not sex, not anyone or anything, we are not to focus on doubt and worry, we are to trust God, stay focused on God, we can not serve the Fear God, the gambling God, the Meth God or the crack cocaine god. Keep your vision clean and of pure and Holy thoughts.
I pray God will continue to give us all more understanding because I just feel so sad that people feel so trapped with this and they just don't understand what to do . . .
You're amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this. I hope you share more with other Christians about your experience because there is a deafening silence from the church on how to handle this.
But as you said, worship and prayer builds your spirit and kills your flesh. Romans talks about this life in the spirit. The temptations become less and the desires of the spirit become stronger! Just immerse yourself in the presence of Jesus and it soaks into all our places of need like a sponge.
Thanks for sharing your testimony which shows where sin abounded Grace did much more abound and Love won out. I am sick of those in the so called Church acting like God is shocked by sin. He see's all and knows all and died for every sinner and yes that includes homosexuals. Jesus died for all from the least sinner to the worst of the lot. He is not afraid to embrace the sinner that will come to Him, no matter what evil they are involved in... Thank God for Jesus! And such were some of you ...
@AndSuchWereSomeofYou I agree though authentic ministries like these are precious few. I wish we could just throw a reboot switch and reboot all the churches. At the same time LGBT politics has presented the lifestyle in such a way with the wild gay parades that it makes the other side disgusted and shocked with it. I don't think either side has handled the issue well. I agree this gentleman and I will pray that God will capture the hearts of everyone and transform us with his love.
@Rhodonite100 Talking to voice in my head is a sign of schizophrenia. If he wants to answer the question, he should tell the world in an audible voice.
@Rhodonite100 You probably read that in a poorly written 4th grade science book. While it is right, that the Earth is in a position to sustain life. It isn't the only position, to give you examples fossils of bacteria have been found on Mars, at it's northern pole. Was god just playing around there?
@Rhodonite100 No, see that's where you are wrong. The earth is not in perfect position for life. It is in a belt that is suitable for life, this belt allows for the presence of liquid H20. The fact is that the earth could be a few more million miles away from the sun, life would still thrive. See what annoys me is that you know nothing about science or nature. All you do is spout off crazy occurrences like life span differences. Then when I correct you. You move on to another "mystery"
@Rhodonite100 I was showing you the error of your example. Male cardinals are beautiful, a vivid red. The females are dull mud color, hardly beautiful. The fact Is I don't believe god, because it doesn't matter either way. Arguing for something's existence is stupid. Either God can be shown to everyone that he exist, or he can't. There is NO belief or hoping or wishing required. I need solid proof that your God exist, to KNOW that he is real.
@Rhodonite100 No. No I don't think that creativity was required to create those animals. the peacock, the cardinal, the flamingo are all birds. Birds have beautiful displays to attract mates for evolutionary benefits. If God had created these animals for beauty, then tell me why are the female versions so muted and lack luster? Dolphins have to breathe air, why would god give them such a restriction when they live in water?
@Rhodonite100 You don't have to be the designer of the world to know that. Dog have weaker hearts as well a history of domestication that is pair with em-breeding. It has decrease the life span of canis familiaris. Bird on the other hand have more genetic diversity allowing the occurrence of fatal disease decline. Tree are fortunate enough to have a better gene pool as well a few moving appendages. This allows their "bodies" to last longer. And God doesn't exist lol.
@Rhodonite100 oh God's failures? tell me if God is so great why did he create creatures with complete and incomplete GI tracts? Humans have a complete tract, which allows for specialization and more efficient digestion. Not all creatures have the beneficial change in digestion. Does this mean that your "God" wasn't smart enough to give all creatures a complete GI tract?
@Rhodonite100 HAHAHAHAHA I am a medical professional, most consider me well adept with medicine and anatomy. Your body can heal its self from very severe accidents. The fact that you attribute that to "god" is a joke. Also I am an ex-christian my father was the church Decon. I am afraid, I am well studied in both fields. In fact your arm healed its self on its own, however if you had broken your scaphoid it would have been unable to heal on its own. Would that be God's failure?
@Rhodonite100 Insane? Oh dear, how insane can I be. You believe despite evidence that all-present god/male created the universe 6 thousand years ago, all in the span of week. You believe that thing produced a son that was killed to amend for your sins. The very sins that can equate to an eternity in hell. You believe that there are little demons running around the world tempting you to do evil. You believe that this "god" talks to you in your head. If Im insane, you're fucking nuts.
Liar Liar Pants on Fire! - This guy makes me sick! Looks like you're making a lot of money pretending. You're sick and you will burn in hell for your lies!
@namasteywhat The OT? = More irrelevant than uncritical thought. I have studied Christianity. I'm not a new kid on the block. It is tantamount to abuse and psycho-social indotrination of the worst kind. Scare people into "pretending to be delivered" from homosexuality with a loaded gun to their head called "your going to hell". It has cultic similarities.
@immortaltechpt says: "As science says, being homosexual is not really a choise, its really biological."
Is there zero shame left in this world?
Did we all drop to having IQ's under 43?
Come on people, when homosexual trolls like this start dishing out lies, you cannot possibly be stupid enough to swallow them as truth?
THERE IS NOT ONE SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT EVEN REMOTELY "PROVES" ANYTHING OF THE SORT!" To this day, "SCIENCE" has only PROVEN, IT IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR. THAT IS THE FACT!
@YOURpervertexposer Only to those who ignore the fact that homosexuality is found in animals. So its not even a matter of study, its a matter of observation.
And I'm not a troll nor a homosexual. Do you really need to resort to argumentum ad hominem? Is that what you're all about?
How about you? Are you telling me that you're heterosexual because you learned to be heterosexual? You don't feel naturally inclined to women (if you're a man) or man (if you're a woman)?
This is very sad. One point, you are not delivered from homosexuality; you are still gay. You have, however, oppressed YOURSELF. Likely to "fit in" into the popular christian culture. Homosexuality is naturally occuring within the human species. I feel very sad for you.
Do I Have speell it out for you. S E X U A L O R I E N T A T I O N A N D G E N D E R E X P R E S S I O N A R E T W O C O M P L E T E L Y D I F F E R E N T T H I N G S! BTW,I report you,So you can kiss your account goodbye. YOU HAVE BEEN TROLL BAITED.
two different things, or actions, feelings whatever , under the same categories .. unnatural, sinful unseemly, abomination, dirty, lustful , unclean... I can go on , but I wont . GO ahead take your pick. omg !! oh no !! she reported me , whatever will I do?
The Point is I'm Here to win arguement, I'm here to waste your time, And you feel for it hook ,line and sinker. How does it feel to have a taste your own medicine?
No HOLD ON!! you did not waste my time , I really enjoy calling you FEMALE.. INFACT right this minute Im thinking about you putting your makeup on , dont forget to braid and tie your hair.
This is time well spent , dont feal bad about it dude , ooops I mean my feminine brother, BTW dont forget to shave your legs.
Aww,Are you coming to me? Sorry. I'm into Closet cases like you. No Wonder why, You don't have anyone to fuck no matter how much you have access to alcohol and etc. It Sucks to be you.
you can't get out of homosexuality unless you are bisexual. the demon of denial will overpower you.
heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual... it's all in the name of consensual/reciprocal love. noone is getting hurt or killed. don't deny it. LOVE and PEACE.
You comparing Apples, Gender Expression and sexual orientation,Are to different.. ACEPPT THE FACT PEOPLE ARE DIFFERNET, YOU SELF-LOATHING CLOSET HOMO.
WHY!?? cant you accept the facts like they are YES FACTS!! if you are male you are male, and if you are female , than you are female. I know you want to be a LADY but it is not going to happen! OK YOU GOT that HELLO!! any body home?
Its good that this man here, Caleb, is changing, but he is very misguided. Maybe I'm wrong, but his demeanor doesnt show he's delivered. He may have gotten the word delivered twisted too. When he's delivered he would HATE the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY, not the people ofcourse. He will do all in his power to flee, and when he is delivered, he will not long for that guy anymore. He's on his way to delivery but not yet delivered.
I believe that Jesus can heal anything. I know two women at my church who were unable to walk because their legs were paralyzed and they were told by doctors that they would never walk again and that they would be in wheel chairs their whole life, but when they met Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit healed them and they are both walking. They walk perfectly now and that is their testimony. You'd be amazed what Jesus can do in your life if only you'd believe. Jesus loves you.
Perhaps you're afraid to answer. Say "yes," the obvious question is, why hasn't a single amputee ever been saved? Say no, then you are wrong.
Charlatans have existed for centuries. "Miracle" healing, when examined, show sleight-of hand and/or often assistants to further the fraud. Not to say many illnesses are entwined with the mind and its powers of recovery.
Don't you think it's odd that the only "miracle cures" that don't exist are the ones not substantiated by rational analysis?
I once twisted my back in the shower and I was in horrible pain for a couple of days, and I finally had enough and I laid my hands on my back and I said "In the name of Jesus I command the pain in my back to leave my body and be healed by the blood of Jesus Christ, amen" and after I prayed that I tried to move my back and do something I couldn't do before and when I did that the pain was all gone, instantly it left my body, that's how much Jesus loves us, even the smallest things he will heal.
It's simple, because people do not put faith in Jesus Christ, they don't believe that Jesus can supernaturally heal them, they do not bleive that Jesus loves them, plus they also make of the idea of being healed by Jesus, they laugh and mock, there is not enough faith. I've seen plenty of people healed by Jesus and it is because they have faith in Christ.
so you are saying that no amputees have the same faith that you did when you twisted your back in the shower?
As I said once before, the mind is a woderous thing interms of dealign with pain or illness ... even cancer. However, these ailments can sometimes be mind over matter.
It would seem a real, ture, undisputable mieracle would be the healing of an amputee. Yet that has never occured. Never.
So why does Jesus confine his "miracles" to events which can be explained by science or fraud?
And after Jesus died and rose again and then left, the Holy Spirit came as a gift, and it is the power of the Holy Spirit working through born again believers in Christ that heals people. Also before I met Jesus my life was a mess, I suffered with Anger, Depression, addictions, and unforgiveness, and when I invited Jesus in my heart, it was as if everything immediately left me and I was filled with complete joy and peace that was not of this world, it was the love of Jesus that set me free.
As said, the mind is a wondrous thing. The miracles you cite as "fact" are more substantiated in eastern religions ... healings, seeming defiance of gravity, freedom from pain.
yet we don't see the same need from Buddhists etc. to proclaim on the internet that theirs is the one true faith. Any idea why?
I have some wonderful readings from buddhists who have brought me enlightenment. I would offer to share them. Yet I know each must find their own path. Without judgment from others.
you seem like a nice person bro but i just want to give you a good point there has been newborns been healed who have no sense of faith and also people who dont beleive in god who have been healed there has been people healed of retardation and cerebral palsy which are genetic disorders i think the power of the mind healing is over exagerated and i am aware of the power of the mind
I don't know what you want me to say and I can't explain the answer you're looking for, but here is what I know: When I see people being healed from deafness, blindness, paralyzation just by someone laying hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus, when I see people coming of an addiction like crystal meth without any wihdrawls symptons after they were prayed for, then I my conclusion is that Jesus is real and that he loves us. because the bible talks about Jesus healing by the Holy spirit.
Most of the "miracles" you describe -- healing from deafness, blindness, paralysis -- are the result of either fraud, or mind over matter. In the latter instance, that the person had Jesus as their focus versus any other religion is mute.
The mind CANNOT heal amputation tho. Despite your claims that Jesus can heal anything, there is not a single documentation of someone growing a new limb.
The rational conclusion: there is no Jesus miracle, at least not of the kind you espouse to believe in.
No these people didn't even know Jesus when they were healed, that's the difference, they had no clue who he was or what he was capable of until they experienced his power. I never said there was a documentation of someone growing a new limb, but maybe nobody has ever asked Jesus to grow a new limb for them, maybe that's why it's never happened.
I never said you said there was documentation... as none exists of growing a new limbthru Jesus or anything.
Facts are, the "miracles" that do exist have been debunked as fraud or could be explained by the mind's power over the body.
Icomstock, you're probably a good person and I don't want to knock your faith. but the fact is, empirically, we'd find no difference from calling on Jesus or my milk carton for healing.
However ... and to the point ... if you believe homosexuality is an illness according to Jesus, you are listening not to Jesus but the right-wing pulpits. There are more ex-ex gays than there are ex-gays. And many of them still love Jesus and have Him as their lord. And while some preachers may distort the Word of God, the Bible is there for anyone to read.
can i tell you a story which is unexplainable by science the power of the holy spirit and the power of speakin gin tongues one man was speaking in tongues and a jewish man was next to him and when he finished speain gin tongues the jewish man said do you know the language of hebrews
andd he said 'no' and he said becuase you told me my life stroy and that i need to come to the lord jesus christ thats the power of god i cant possibly see hwo that can be expained by science
@tebuny1 It's a continual process no matter our background and we continue to be restored until we pass on to be with Jesus. I agree with this gentleman that totally surrendering in worship and soaking in God's spirit feeds the spirit and kills the flesh (Romans) so temptations become less. He said he noticed he started to not want intimacy with the other man anymore.
God doesn't make Mistakes and He is in control, and something else: If God were prejudice None of Us would be here. Love the Least of Your brothers and sisters as You would have them Love you. the Least shall be at the front of the line, not the doers of good works. A sinner Knows he's a sinner and reaches Up to God for help. God is not small minded or petty, but Loving and forgiving, kind and compassionate, so Judge not lest Ye be Judged.
@LittlewingKD I find that when we are stuck and trapped in a dark place, it is simple surrender to his presence and word that soaks in like a sponge to all the damaged places inside of us and it heals and restores us. When you put darkness in the hands of light, it starts to break and lose power over you.
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Question authority and do your own thinking. People who quote the bible use that as a short cut to thinking. They don't even attempt to question one single thing - what is up with that and why then should anyone listen to people who operate that way?
I was born a lesbian and I am happily sharing my life with a beautiful woman I adore. Good luck trying to 'cure' me. Is this dude saying god is a cure for happiness then? hahaha
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My parents used this religion to reject me as their child because of being gay. Religion is a choice ...not based on facts or reality...a choice....and it causes self hate in gays...even suicides....and families to turn against their own family members. This religion of christianity has poisoned mt relationship with my family and damaged me mentally and emotionally. It took years of therapy to overcome the damage caused because of religion. Religion is poison
Holy faith buried deep inside the ground. Scattered prayers will never be found. A powerful vortex of dark unholy power. Victims of the master daemon's ax. Skull eyes shall weep the tears of blood. Their souls are now as black as night. The mortal remains buried in Lucifer's park. Don't play over there after dark. I wrote these words with the blood of faith. With the death of light and rotting prayers. Demons and darkness rule the Earth. Our mission is now complete. Hail Satan!
The true Christians/God's children are led by the Spirit of the Almighty God not by theologians nor by any mankind. For it is written: "those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Rom 8:14
It is fascinating to read the holy arguments raised against Rockymtntruth from God's perspective.
I say to you this precious Rockymtntruth:
"Haven't you read,"---,"that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'& said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. THEREFORE WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER, LET MAN NOT SEPARATE." Matthew 19:4-6
Hello, is there any1 who can explain to me why God destroyed the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? "and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot...said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men...
Homosexual "theologians" will say it was because the city failed to show hospitality to Lot and his family. If that's the case, one wonders why sodomy didn't become synonymous with unfriendliness.
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Carnaco it is NOT only gay theologians who say it is because the city failed to show hospitality. Your extremist generalities are exposed as is your stupidity yet once again! You're digging yourself a deeper hole everytime you make these kinds of statements carnaco.
they pressed hard against Lot...Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven" Gen 19
The Trinity never created Adam & a man but a woman. You will need 2 study the Bible by the grace of God 2 c the character of the Father & His Holiness! God doesnt tolerate offense & sin therefore He has made Himself extremely clear in His Word over and over again. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
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carnaco has come up with nothing to state that God prohibits polygamy in the Bible especially when it was practiced by some the greatest patriarchs and prophets of the Bible. Never once do you read about God condemning them for this practice and telling them to repent of it. All carnaco can come up with is a reading of Genesis which is the story of the creation. That doesn't cut it.
Carnaco go get an education. If you want to learn about authentic biblical history and exegesis then go to a reputable school where they study the Bible and the history of the Bible (including the many cultures within its time and place) using critical analysis of the texts, the people in it and the lands where the events happened. Right now all I see from you is a hillbilly understanding of the Bible.
Rocky--I find it interesting that people like you will raise false issues like why Christians eat shellfish or certain types of clothing that allegedly go against Old Testament commands, yet when someone mentions God's command in Genesis to marry one wife, you have no answer, or answer only its use in the NT.
You aren't consistent in demanding of Christians what laws from the OT should be followed. If shellfish shouldn't be eaten, what invalidates God's OT command of one wife?
Carnaco you have not answered any of my questions. In fact your mental gymnastics is very telling as to your logic regarding the Bible. The Genesis account is one portion of the Biblical historic account and though monogamy is the general principle (and always was in the ancient texts) it is not the only one. Your simplistic black and white thinking explains just how you read these texts at an elementary level which typically is very simplistic.
*By gosh, I think Rocky might just be condescending to me!!*
So, you write off the command spoke to Adam and Eve as to the design of marriage as the "general principle". You can list references where God speaks and lists or condones other principles? You've certainly come up with nothing to indicate He condoned polygamy, except to say the patriarchs practiced it. Try that at a seminary and see how far it gets you.
1 man/1 woman is the ONLY design God commanded and condones.
carnaco2 you're such an uneducated dip. God doesn't list these principles in some scripture like He does with the 10 commandments. You really don't get it. You don't take the bible as a whole and look at the entire record except that you pick out and nit pick certain sections that support your narrow premise. Not all seminaries would agree with your premise, especially not unbiased research into the historicity of biblical culture, etc. at universities like Harvard, Yale, etc.
Rocky--"God doesn't list these principles in some scripture like He does with the 10 commandments"
What an easy cop-out for the inability to find a scripture where God oks homosexual "marriage". Oh, "God doesn't list these principles", so the "theological" answer is , if God doesn't explicity mention it, it must be ok.
Forget the fact that "a man shall leave his parents & cleave unto his wife" automatically excludes homosexuals from marrying. But Rocky has strange justifications for it.
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carnaco2 you have not answered even one of my arguments here. Not one. You're again proving how incredibly uneducated and stupid you are. Your snake-oil hillbilly theological education is really showing through.
Rocky--If you enjoy being condescending, keep it up. Someone will have the guts and intellecutal honesty to answer what you've ignored for some time, either through cowardice or simple ignorance of the subject.
Rocky--If you'd stop using the few liberal theologians or professors that you've plugged into and listen to people that are true to the Word, you might get more light on the subject.
It's no wonder homosexuals think they have the green light from God to engage in abnormal sexual relations.
How do your theologians stand on murder, bestiality, incest, adultery, coveting? Good chance they see nothing wrong with any of those.
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Carnaco the bible Idolater/bible worshipper speaks great truths of the ages. Carnaco there are thousands of theologians and professors who use their minds and think which is something that I'm sad to say is very foreign to you.
Rocky--Sadly, many of them only use their mind and don't bother relying on the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
It isn't a recent innovation, since heresies have arisen by people who thought they could leave the Holy Spirit of their studies.
And that's how we end up with people thinking their homosexual acts are something God blesses.
Does your dictionary list "friendship" as part of the origins of sodomy? God destroys 2 towns because of a lack of hospitality? That's the homosexual's God.
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Well carnaco2 I know a lot of people who claimed to use the Holy Spirit when they interpreted the Bible to support slavery, the subjugation of women (i.e. couldn't speak in church, etc.) and to even oppose interracial marriage. Many Christians still don't get it when history keeps repeating itself. All they need to do is start looking outside of their dogmatic little boxes and stop acting like Pharisees and really see what God is doing in blessing people both gay and heterosexual.
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Carnaco you're the one who makes God in your image. You don't even differentiate gay people who are promiscuous, having sex in parks, etc. from those who are living in committed, monogamous, loving relationships (many who have faith in Christ), some who even raise children. You lump all gay people into one place and your self-righteous pharisaical haughty, bigoted, creepiness shows through as to what an ignorant creep you really are. Look in the mirror at the pharisee looking back.
Carnaco there is no reference in the Old Testament or New that states that God has commanded men to take more than one wife but there also is no divine prohibition either and I challenge you to prove from the texts otherwise. You just won't find any references there to prove your premise so you're wrong again.
carnaco you dip, the topic from Matthew ("a man shall leave his parents...") is about divorce. "Brother!!" yourself. You're proving more each time how ignorant you are about Biblical exegesis in favor of back woods hillbilly American Evangelicalism. If God commanded that a man shall not have more than one wife He would have told Abraham and others directly but He did not. It's so stupid and backwards how you guys read these texts so out of historical contexts.
Again carnaco if you discuss this with the Jews (you know the descendants of the ancient people who wrote down these words) then just maybe you might begin to have a little understanding instead of your modern anachronistic (one man one woman) point of view.
The death of Absalom was due, in part, to David's ordering of the death of Uriah, so you're correct there. The Bible shows David repenting of many sins, but not that of polygamy. You have it on good authority, either from the Bible or from Jewish friends, that God gave His ok for polygamy somewhere in the Bible?
Liberal Jews will probably give you a totally different answer than Orthodox or Conservative Jews.
Actually Orthodox Jews want to be able to live polygamy again as they feel it is part of God's plan. They say that the main reason they don't practice it is because they would be persecuted by Christians for so doing. There is nothing in Jewish law that prohibits polygamy.
Carnaco I suppose you are now the authority on biblical history and exegesis. So what degree do you have and from what University? You probably think you know more about the Old Testament than Jewish Rabbi's. Actually the weight of evidence falls upon you to prove that polygamy was not approved of by God even though the greatest of the Patriarchs practiced it. Your modern understanding is based on modern views.
The evidence stands in the Old Testament. There's no reference there to God commanding human beings to engage in polygamy.
His major reference to marriage is to cleave unto a [one] wife. You've come up with nothing to prove that God's allowing sin to take place, be it polygamy, murder, homosexuality, somehow means He ordains that people commit those sins.
You're appparently hoping there's something written there that orders people to enter plural marriages or marry someone of the same sex.
Carnaco2 WRONG yet again. The greatest of all of the Patriarchs (Abraham) and others practiced polygamy and there is absolutely no biblical proof that states that God is displeased with the fact that these men have more than one wife. You are placing your own modern worldview into the ancient texts instead of letting them speak for themselves with is typical of many Evangelicals. There is absolutely no reference in the Bible that God says "One man and One woman" only.
And further study would show Rocky that eunuchs weren't people born homosexual, but people who were castrated or who were born with malformed sex organs. Another convenient repetition of homosexual arguments that don't stand up to Biblical scholarship.
carnaco2 you dip you are again showing the childishness and literalist thinking that shows why you really don't get some of the symbolism behind the scriptures. Jesus was talking symbolically about eunachs for the kingdoms sake are those who choose celibacy over marriage. I'm trying to describe the fact that there is more than one state that is shown to be acceptable by the NT standards.
Also Paul says "neither is the man without the woman or the woman without the man in the Lord" yet there is absolutely no evidence in the Bible that Paul was ever married. What a conundrum this creates for Evangelical literalists.
Go even further and say that Jesus wasn't married. Again, a study of the Bible indicates that not everyone is to be married, but the proper design of marriage that God shows in Genesis and in Luke is one man/one woman. As Paul and Jesus show, it's also ok to be single, but celibate.
Also carnaco there is more than one definition of marriage found in the Bible. Even Jesus descended from another definition of marriage and that definition is polygamy. He came through the house of David who most definitely was a polygamist. Jesus also refers to this ancient definition of marriage (because ancient Jews knew it well) in the parable of the 10 virgins. Just ask a Jewish scholar. They are scholars who are a heck of a lot more intelligent than you are.
The "shall a man leave his parents and cleave unto his wife" scripture is another parable of Jesus wherein Jesus is speaking to a specific audience. The childish carnaco uses one scripture, taking it out of its wholeness and context to apply it to everyone when there's no evidence that it was meant to be more than Jesus telling a very important principle to a group where it was to be applied. He also spoke of Eunich's for the Kingdom as well. He wasn't speaking of those folks in this context.
Rocky will conveniently question why people eat shellfish if the Old Testament forbids it but won't touch God's words in the OT that Jesus quoted about a man cleaving to his wife. It's ok for Rocky to question why Christians eat shellfish, but not kosher to challenge God's statement in Genesis about one man/one woman marriage.
This is one way homosexuals try to have it both ways. Question why Christian allegedly don't follow some OT commands but ignoring the commands about what true marriage is
carnaco there you go again (the shellfish argument) and then you conveniently ignore the polygamy principle. To say that Adam and Eve's story in Genesis is God's design and then to ignore later proof that God also has allowed other forms of marriage is just not very scholarly and in fact it is (again) very childish.
You assume that God's allowing polygamy to go on indicates His ok of it. God allows sin to be present in His creation, but He certainly doesn't ok sin.
David had to answer for his sins, through the loss of a child, through losses in battle.
Yes, polygamy took place, but you will nowhere find God saying that's His design for marriage. One man/one woman remains God's standard.
WRONG again carnaco2. David had to answer for his sins because he caused a man to be killed (he committed murder) and that was the sin he committed. Not having more than one wife.
nohuruk and everyone here who has any questions about this topic read this amazing book JESUS, THE BIBLE, AND HOMOSEXUALITY: EXPLODE THE MYTHS, HEAL THE CHURCH by Jack Rogers. It is the Church that needs to be healed people. The sickness I see on so many of these so-called Evangelical Christian sites is appalling. nahoruk (the guy who claims to be freed from homosexuality) likely was never really a classic gay person (probably bi-sexual) to begin with.
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,..."1 Cori 6:9
I want every1 to know that Jesus Christ never died for us with the intention that we can keep sinning against the Holy God. He has died to liberate us of our sin (from small 2 big) & gave us the authority to walk with Him righteously & know Him eternally "so that people are without excuse." Rom 1:20
jesusiscominsoon that translation of the Bible is incredibly bigoted and wrong. "effeminate"? Come on. What if a woman is effeminate? You can take words in the bible out of context & use them to persecute & emotionally bludgeon a person to emotional oblivion. That is the damage that these religionists have done to gay people as they have to other minorities in past times. The bible can be used to heal or it can be used to harm and cause destruction. That's the problem with religion.
Carnaco you are the one who is confused not gay people who accept themselves for who they are and love and embrace Christ. Carnaco using the terminology "mouth off about romantic love" tells people that you are absolutely soulless when it comes to understanding what love really is. You have not walked in our shoes. You don't understand us and you never will as long as you have such a pharisaical, self-righteous and pious worldview about gay people as you most definitely show you have.
Carnaco2 will (I'm sure) continue to believe in the delusion that gay people cannot be true to their innate orientation and live a Christ led life. There are hundreds of thousands of gay people who are both gay and Christian. They live lives filled with the fruits of the Spirit. Ever hear of Jason and DeMarco? There is one wonderful Christian couple that show the love of Christ in their relationship. Ray Boltz is another example of a man of Christ who is true to himself and to Jesus Christ.
Sadly, homosexuals have flocked to pastors or theologians who say things they want to hear that will affirm their "innate homosexuality", rather than calling it sin as the Bible does.
I don't doubt that homosexuals can be Christians. I know many. But when Jesus forgave the sin of the adulterous woman, He told her to go and sin no more.
Jesus would forgive the sin of anyone who still accepts a sinful condition in their life as natural, if they recognize it as sin and walk away from it. His words "go and sin no more" apply to murderers, rapists, liars, pedophiles and yes, homosexuals, too.
As long as they accept what their itching ears want to hear, that Jesus says it's ok to be "gay", He can't extend His forgiveness.
carnaco2 you're the one with itching ears just like a big fat pharisee who can't look at reality. Comparing gay people to rapists, liars, pedophiles is pretty sick and definitely off the track of reality and truth. Gay people are born the way they are they are fearfully, wonderfully made just like all of God's children but the fact that you can't see that and are so blinded by your bigoted dogma tells us far more about you than it does about anything else.
carnaco2 sadly people like you continue to point fingers at people using the bible to beat the shit out of them. It's so sad that you use the bible as a weapon and use your self-righteous know it all theological haughtiness to guide you while saying Jesus told you to do it. Great, blame Jesus and don't take responsibility for your own bigotry and stupidity.
Not much you can do with "a man shall leave his parents and cleave unto his wife" to open the door to marriage for homosexuals based on the words of Jesus.
Obviously, homosexual-friendly churches find a way so they can satisfy and justify the urges of their homosexual
congregants.
The Siren call of abnormal pleasures is too compelling for many to resist, as the many homosexuals calling their relationships "normal" evidence.
carnaco2 can't get it out of his/her small mind that gay orientation is not based on "urges" it is based on an orientation that is just as legitimate and just as real and innate as a heterosexual orientation. Heterosexuality has urges to it. No doubt. Heterosexuality (just like homosexuality) has the romantic factor and the love and companionship that brings two people together including those who have been together for decades. This is the reality carnaco can't see being blinded by dogma.
Thank God for this fellow. Indeed there is nothing will stop the Lord Jesus from changing unchangeable mind set. U may claim; "i was born this way or that way so this is who i am!" That is way Jesus said; You must be BORN AGAIN to enter the Kingdom of God. John3:3 What a Word!!!
Homosexuals telling other homosexuals that they were born that way and can NEVER change sound like the blind leading the blind. Lost in their abnormal lifestyle with no desire to leave it and live a normal heterosexual life. All the while demanding "equal rights", "marriage', etc.
For no sustatined period in human history has homoexuality been viewed as normal. That doesn't stop homosexuals from discouraging others from leaving the lifestyle and railing at those who encourage them to leave.
carnaco2 you're not an expert on sexual orientation or sexuality so just keep your damn mouth shut. Until you get an education and can speak with some semblance of intelligence you really don't have a leg to stand on. There are thousands of people who have left the "Ex-Gay" "lifestyle" and have finally embraced who they are after going through the bullshit and realizing what a fraud Exodus and other "ex-gay"ministries are.
People who understand the confusion homosexuals go through in thinking their condition is "natural" will continue to speak out and affirm that nature would in no way create human beings that would mouth off about "romantic love" when referring to someone of the same sex.
As homosexuals continue to mock those who've successfully left the lifestyle, it gives hope to the many who are still trapped in homosexuality and desparately want to change.
carnaco2 man alive you just continue to spew more lies using the anti-gay terminology "lifestyle", etc. What "gay lifestyle"? Just that term shows me that you are a liar and don't understand reality. Gay people live many different kinds of lifestyles just like heterosexual people do. There are thousands of people who have been through the "ex-gay" hocus pocus programs who are now former ex-gays and are just as saved as they were before by the Savior yet just as gay as they ever were as well.
I just looked at nahoruk's YouTube site and realized that he has a whole bunch of videos of Todd Bentley. This guy who is speaking on this video here just lost even more credibility than the little he had before. Todd Bentley is a fraud. There are so many of these freaks out there who lead the gullible and they just follow him like dumb sheep. It's so pathetic when you think about it.
Carnaco needs to get a life. The day will come when Carnaco will be old and in a nursing home or passed on and people will either forget or only remember in amusement, the petty, extreme arguments that carnaco presents here.
Gays get these biblical "clobber passages" pounded into their heads over and over again like they are being brainwashed (by Evangelical cults) to hate themselves for who they are. Then when they wise up & start the process of coming out, supporting marriage equality and other gay civil rights they are told they are persecuting Christians. The kinds of Christians who support the hypocritical hate toward gay people can go straight to the very hell they have conjured up in their creepy minds.
Rocky--It's all about unnatural love. Doesn't matter if it's consenting love or not. Humans were designed to pair up with the opposite sex.
Sex with or love for animals, children, blood relatives, someone of the same sex, all go against what the body and emotions were designed for.
The UCC is hardly middle of the road in its beliefs. They're so far to the left of center that they could easily do without the Bible at all, since they've drained all the truth out of it.
carnaco2 I completely disagree with you about that. Generally speaking heterosexuality will be in the majority (as it always has throughout all time)! You don't have a damned clue about what you are talking about regarding what the body and emotions were designed for. I know through experience that my love for my partner is real and it is just as authentic a love as heterosexual romance is. You're way far to the right of center and your views are so far away from reality that they stink.
some people choose to be homos, cuz they wanna
try everthing (stupid) in life before they die
TheMessanjah 2 weeks ago
He puts out all those lovely candles and flowers - just like every straight dude. LOL
writerJerome 3 weeks ago
Education is accepting that every single science-based medical and psychological association in the world agrees there is overwhelming evidence NOBODY CHOOSES HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND NOBODY CHANGES IT AT WILL. Plus, the list of churches welcoming gays is growing all the time.
writerJerome 3 weeks ago
So, after the "miracle" transformation, he tells us he spends 5 years in a loving gay relationship. Then he blames the Lord for his desire to break-up with the man the Lord gave him. Sad. The "voices" in his head are not from the Lord, they reveal his own inner conflicts. He lives in a community which hates homosexuals. No wonder some of that seeped in.
writerJerome 3 weeks ago
Consensual heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual,whatever
God made ppl so
If you wanna change then change if you don't then don't!
SearchForTomorrow 2 months ago
@Ave6969 All your opinion. Where is fact?
TazHall 2 months ago
@izrah82 Since when have they had the monopoly on normal?
TazHall 2 months ago
God is a jealous God, he will have no others before Him. this means; We must not love anything more than we love God, not drugs, not our partners, not our children, not our pets, not our Money, or our homes, not our clothes, not sex, not anyone or anything, we are not to focus on doubt and worry, we are to trust God, stay focused on God, we can not serve the Fear God, the gambling God, the Meth God or the crack cocaine god. Keep your vision clean and of pure and Holy thoughts.
LittlewingKD 2 months ago
I pray God will continue to give us all more understanding because I just feel so sad that people feel so trapped with this and they just don't understand what to do . . .
TazHall 2 months ago
You're amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this. I hope you share more with other Christians about your experience because there is a deafening silence from the church on how to handle this.
But as you said, worship and prayer builds your spirit and kills your flesh. Romans talks about this life in the spirit. The temptations become less and the desires of the spirit become stronger! Just immerse yourself in the presence of Jesus and it soaks into all our places of need like a sponge.
TazHall 2 months ago
Jesus does love homosexuals, just as much as heterosexuals, bisexuals. He did not say anything against them in any of the four gospels.
dariowestern 5 months ago
@dariowestern I agree. It's the restorative power of Jesus that transforms us all no matter what we're coming from.
TazHall 2 months ago
This guy helped initiate the kill the gays bill in Uganda...
exexgay 6 months ago
Thanks for sharing your testimony which shows where sin abounded Grace did much more abound and Love won out. I am sick of those in the so called Church acting like God is shocked by sin. He see's all and knows all and died for every sinner and yes that includes homosexuals. Jesus died for all from the least sinner to the worst of the lot. He is not afraid to embrace the sinner that will come to Him, no matter what evil they are involved in... Thank God for Jesus! And such were some of you ...
AndSuchWereSomeofYou 7 months ago
@AndSuchWereSomeofYou I agree though authentic ministries like these are precious few. I wish we could just throw a reboot switch and reboot all the churches. At the same time LGBT politics has presented the lifestyle in such a way with the wild gay parades that it makes the other side disgusted and shocked with it. I don't think either side has handled the issue well. I agree this gentleman and I will pray that God will capture the hearts of everyone and transform us with his love.
TazHall 2 months ago
@Rhodonite100 Talking to voice in my head is a sign of schizophrenia. If he wants to answer the question, he should tell the world in an audible voice.
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 You probably read that in a poorly written 4th grade science book. While it is right, that the Earth is in a position to sustain life. It isn't the only position, to give you examples fossils of bacteria have been found on Mars, at it's northern pole. Was god just playing around there?
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 No, see that's where you are wrong. The earth is not in perfect position for life. It is in a belt that is suitable for life, this belt allows for the presence of liquid H20. The fact is that the earth could be a few more million miles away from the sun, life would still thrive. See what annoys me is that you know nothing about science or nature. All you do is spout off crazy occurrences like life span differences. Then when I correct you. You move on to another "mystery"
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 I was showing you the error of your example. Male cardinals are beautiful, a vivid red. The females are dull mud color, hardly beautiful. The fact Is I don't believe god, because it doesn't matter either way. Arguing for something's existence is stupid. Either God can be shown to everyone that he exist, or he can't. There is NO belief or hoping or wishing required. I need solid proof that your God exist, to KNOW that he is real.
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 No. No I don't think that creativity was required to create those animals. the peacock, the cardinal, the flamingo are all birds. Birds have beautiful displays to attract mates for evolutionary benefits. If God had created these animals for beauty, then tell me why are the female versions so muted and lack luster? Dolphins have to breathe air, why would god give them such a restriction when they live in water?
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 You don't have to be the designer of the world to know that. Dog have weaker hearts as well a history of domestication that is pair with em-breeding. It has decrease the life span of canis familiaris. Bird on the other hand have more genetic diversity allowing the occurrence of fatal disease decline. Tree are fortunate enough to have a better gene pool as well a few moving appendages. This allows their "bodies" to last longer. And God doesn't exist lol.
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 oh God's failures? tell me if God is so great why did he create creatures with complete and incomplete GI tracts? Humans have a complete tract, which allows for specialization and more efficient digestion. Not all creatures have the beneficial change in digestion. Does this mean that your "God" wasn't smart enough to give all creatures a complete GI tract?
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 HAHAHAHAHA I am a medical professional, most consider me well adept with medicine and anatomy. Your body can heal its self from very severe accidents. The fact that you attribute that to "god" is a joke. Also I am an ex-christian my father was the church Decon. I am afraid, I am well studied in both fields. In fact your arm healed its self on its own, however if you had broken your scaphoid it would have been unable to heal on its own. Would that be God's failure?
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 Insane? Oh dear, how insane can I be. You believe despite evidence that all-present god/male created the universe 6 thousand years ago, all in the span of week. You believe that thing produced a son that was killed to amend for your sins. The very sins that can equate to an eternity in hell. You believe that there are little demons running around the world tempting you to do evil. You believe that this "god" talks to you in your head. If Im insane, you're fucking nuts.
TMBrd89 7 months ago
@Rhodonite100 Haha I maybe insane, however you don't know how to punctuate your sentences.
TMBrd89 7 months ago
You cheated on your boyfriend with Jesus. That just makes you slut.
TMBrd89 9 months ago
Amen! Love never fails!!
winstonk400 10 months ago
Liar Liar Pants on Fire! - This guy makes me sick! Looks like you're making a lot of money pretending. You're sick and you will burn in hell for your lies!
whyuahater3 1 year ago
@namasteywhat The OT? = More irrelevant than uncritical thought. I have studied Christianity. I'm not a new kid on the block. It is tantamount to abuse and psycho-social indotrination of the worst kind. Scare people into "pretending to be delivered" from homosexuality with a loaded gun to their head called "your going to hell". It has cultic similarities.
MassiveFaith 1 year ago
@immortaltechpt says: "As science says, being homosexual is not really a choise, its really biological."
Is there zero shame left in this world?
Did we all drop to having IQ's under 43?
Come on people, when homosexual trolls like this start dishing out lies, you cannot possibly be stupid enough to swallow them as truth?
THERE IS NOT ONE SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT EVEN REMOTELY "PROVES" ANYTHING OF THE SORT!" To this day, "SCIENCE" has only PROVEN, IT IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR. THAT IS THE FACT!
YOURpervertexposer 1 year ago
@YOURpervertexposer Only to those who ignore the fact that homosexuality is found in animals. So its not even a matter of study, its a matter of observation.
And I'm not a troll nor a homosexual. Do you really need to resort to argumentum ad hominem? Is that what you're all about?
How about you? Are you telling me that you're heterosexual because you learned to be heterosexual? You don't feel naturally inclined to women (if you're a man) or man (if you're a woman)?
immortaltechpt 1 year ago
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redbulborb 1 year ago
This is very sad. One point, you are not delivered from homosexuality; you are still gay. You have, however, oppressed YOURSELF. Likely to "fit in" into the popular christian culture. Homosexuality is naturally occuring within the human species. I feel very sad for you.
MassiveFaith 1 year ago
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redbulborb 1 year ago
@redbulborb Check out the wild animals. Or only rules that apply is that both sides should not be underage and both must consent.
That doesn't happen in pedophilia nor necrophilia.
immortaltechpt 1 year ago
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redbulborb 1 year ago
@MassiveFaith WRONG!!!!!
paymark 2 months ago
Another Person will no balls to stand up and say "This is me,If you don't like it".Placating to society's and religious "demand",Pathetic.
ryukage99 2 years ago
@ryukage99 not something an efeminate should say
noel720104 1 year ago
Why so obessed with gay men, Come out the closet.
ryukage99 1 year ago
I am a MAN not a want to be FEMALE like you ..
noel720104 1 year ago
Do I Have speell it out for you. S E X U A L O R I E N T A T I O N A N D G E N D E R E X P R E S S I O N A R E T W O C O M P L E T E L Y D I F F E R E N T T H I N G S! BTW,I report you,So you can kiss your account goodbye. YOU HAVE BEEN TROLL BAITED.
ryukage99 1 year ago
two different things, or actions, feelings whatever , under the same categories .. unnatural, sinful unseemly, abomination, dirty, lustful , unclean... I can go on , but I wont . GO ahead take your pick. omg !! oh no !! she reported me , whatever will I do?
noel720104 1 year ago
Who cares about What you think it's "unatural". You just don't understand Different, If it were to beat you on the head.
ryukage99 1 year ago
Typical Off You have no life, You have no to love, No one to fuck.
ryukage99 1 year ago
BTW noel720104, Even You delete my post, I'll post that link, But You're not only one with sock accounts. Either way, You just can't win. Give it up.
ryukage99 1 year ago
just cant win what , what you talkin bout female?
noel720104 1 year ago
The Point is I'm Here to win arguement, I'm here to waste your time, And you feel for it hook ,line and sinker. How does it feel to have a taste your own medicine?
ryukage99 1 year ago
No HOLD ON!! you did not waste my time , I really enjoy calling you FEMALE.. INFACT right this minute Im thinking about you putting your makeup on , dont forget to braid and tie your hair.
This is time well spent , dont feal bad about it dude , ooops I mean my feminine brother, BTW dont forget to shave your legs.
noel720104 1 year ago
Aww,Are you coming to me? Sorry. I'm into Closet cases like you. No Wonder why, You don't have anyone to fuck no matter how much you have access to alcohol and etc. It Sucks to be you.
ryukage99 1 year ago
Do The Phrase I'm Rubber and You're Glue, Mean anything?
ryukage99 1 year ago
One More Thing Noel720104, Look up. Gay Bears and you will be even more emasculated then you all ready are.
ryukage99 1 year ago
you can't get out of homosexuality unless you are bisexual. the demon of denial will overpower you.
heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual... it's all in the name of consensual/reciprocal love. noone is getting hurt or killed. don't deny it. LOVE and PEACE.
inasexymood 2 years ago
Now if you could only come out of being black.
peepers60 2 years ago
What is wrong with you?! lol God bless!
Tjunior92 2 years ago
That was hecka racist.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
What's wrong with that? If Jebus could make him straight, why can't he make him white too?
peepers60 2 years ago
Oh sorry, I thought you were a white person being racist. There nothing wrong with being african american, I respect African Americans very much :)
lcomstock21 2 years ago
whats wrong with him not wanting to be female like you ?
noel720104 1 year ago
You comparing Apples, Gender Expression and sexual orientation,Are to different.. ACEPPT THE FACT PEOPLE ARE DIFFERNET, YOU SELF-LOATHING CLOSET HOMO.
ryukage99 1 year ago
Again I am a MAN , I choose to be a man.
I do not choose to be a female or act like one.
GOD made me MAN so I shall be MAN.
WHY!?? cant you accept the facts like they are YES FACTS!! if you are male you are male, and if you are female , than you are female. I know you want to be a LADY but it is not going to happen! OK YOU GOT that HELLO!! any body home?
noel720104 1 year ago
@ryukage99 Why is this man's lack of a sex life so important to you?
Let him be, just like you want others to let you be.
Empyrean1986 1 year ago
@Empyrean1986 You don't get those people want control your sex life just because they can't have any. Do you Want that?
ryukage99 1 year ago
Im so sorry that you have imaginary friends
assailant0101 2 years ago
I pray JESUS delivers you
I def know he can
lisalizapop 2 years ago
Its good that this man here, Caleb, is changing, but he is very misguided. Maybe I'm wrong, but his demeanor doesnt show he's delivered. He may have gotten the word delivered twisted too. When he's delivered he would HATE the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY, not the people ofcourse. He will do all in his power to flee, and when he is delivered, he will not long for that guy anymore. He's on his way to delivery but not yet delivered.
tebuny1 2 years ago
you don't even know the man ! Why should we listen to you !
Hillbillykid2000 2 years ago
He was making an observation! chill out wow!! No one said you had to listen to anyone!! lol God bless!!!
Tjunior92 2 years ago
Well I think it takes some time to be delivered from something like homosexuality, a lot of praying and fasting.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
amen your r correct to get intimate with jesus
joshuaFB 2 years ago
yes, laying off the french fries is a sure way to deny your basic nature.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
With Jesus anything is possible.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
Can Jesus heal amputees?
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
I believe that Jesus can heal anything. I know two women at my church who were unable to walk because their legs were paralyzed and they were told by doctors that they would never walk again and that they would be in wheel chairs their whole life, but when they met Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit healed them and they are both walking. They walk perfectly now and that is their testimony. You'd be amazed what Jesus can do in your life if only you'd believe. Jesus loves you.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
You said with Jesus anything is possible. I asked if Jesus can heal amputees. Yes or no?
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
Perhaps you're afraid to answer. Say "yes," the obvious question is, why hasn't a single amputee ever been saved? Say no, then you are wrong.
Charlatans have existed for centuries. "Miracle" healing, when examined, show sleight-of hand and/or often assistants to further the fraud. Not to say many illnesses are entwined with the mind and its powers of recovery.
Don't you think it's odd that the only "miracle cures" that don't exist are the ones not substantiated by rational analysis?
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
@fuzzyprism You can rationalize all you want but it's something best experienced.
TazHall 2 months ago
Yes I do believe he can heal amputees, it would be a supernatural healing. I believe it. It's all a matter of faith.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
OK Icom, then can you please explain why there has never been a healing of an amputee?
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
I once twisted my back in the shower and I was in horrible pain for a couple of days, and I finally had enough and I laid my hands on my back and I said "In the name of Jesus I command the pain in my back to leave my body and be healed by the blood of Jesus Christ, amen" and after I prayed that I tried to move my back and do something I couldn't do before and when I did that the pain was all gone, instantly it left my body, that's how much Jesus loves us, even the smallest things he will heal.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
It's simple, because people do not put faith in Jesus Christ, they don't believe that Jesus can supernaturally heal them, they do not bleive that Jesus loves them, plus they also make of the idea of being healed by Jesus, they laugh and mock, there is not enough faith. I've seen plenty of people healed by Jesus and it is because they have faith in Christ.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
so you are saying that no amputees have the same faith that you did when you twisted your back in the shower?
As I said once before, the mind is a woderous thing interms of dealign with pain or illness ... even cancer. However, these ailments can sometimes be mind over matter.
It would seem a real, ture, undisputable mieracle would be the healing of an amputee. Yet that has never occured. Never.
So why does Jesus confine his "miracles" to events which can be explained by science or fraud?
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
And after Jesus died and rose again and then left, the Holy Spirit came as a gift, and it is the power of the Holy Spirit working through born again believers in Christ that heals people. Also before I met Jesus my life was a mess, I suffered with Anger, Depression, addictions, and unforgiveness, and when I invited Jesus in my heart, it was as if everything immediately left me and I was filled with complete joy and peace that was not of this world, it was the love of Jesus that set me free.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
As said, the mind is a wondrous thing. The miracles you cite as "fact" are more substantiated in eastern religions ... healings, seeming defiance of gravity, freedom from pain.
yet we don't see the same need from Buddhists etc. to proclaim on the internet that theirs is the one true faith. Any idea why?
I have some wonderful readings from buddhists who have brought me enlightenment. I would offer to share them. Yet I know each must find their own path. Without judgment from others.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
you seem like a nice person bro but i just want to give you a good point there has been newborns been healed who have no sense of faith and also people who dont beleive in god who have been healed there has been people healed of retardation and cerebral palsy which are genetic disorders i think the power of the mind healing is over exagerated and i am aware of the power of the mind
mjone57 2 years ago
Can you provide reputable, non-biased evidence for your stories? Thanks.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
I don't know what you want me to say and I can't explain the answer you're looking for, but here is what I know: When I see people being healed from deafness, blindness, paralyzation just by someone laying hands on them and praying in the name of Jesus, when I see people coming of an addiction like crystal meth without any wihdrawls symptons after they were prayed for, then I my conclusion is that Jesus is real and that he loves us. because the bible talks about Jesus healing by the Holy spirit.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
Most of the "miracles" you describe -- healing from deafness, blindness, paralysis -- are the result of either fraud, or mind over matter. In the latter instance, that the person had Jesus as their focus versus any other religion is mute.
The mind CANNOT heal amputation tho. Despite your claims that Jesus can heal anything, there is not a single documentation of someone growing a new limb.
The rational conclusion: there is no Jesus miracle, at least not of the kind you espouse to believe in.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
No these people didn't even know Jesus when they were healed, that's the difference, they had no clue who he was or what he was capable of until they experienced his power. I never said there was a documentation of someone growing a new limb, but maybe nobody has ever asked Jesus to grow a new limb for them, maybe that's why it's never happened.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
I never said you said there was documentation... as none exists of growing a new limbthru Jesus or anything.
Facts are, the "miracles" that do exist have been debunked as fraud or could be explained by the mind's power over the body.
Icomstock, you're probably a good person and I don't want to knock your faith. but the fact is, empirically, we'd find no difference from calling on Jesus or my milk carton for healing.
If it brings you comfort, more power to you.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
However ... and to the point ... if you believe homosexuality is an illness according to Jesus, you are listening not to Jesus but the right-wing pulpits. There are more ex-ex gays than there are ex-gays. And many of them still love Jesus and have Him as their lord. And while some preachers may distort the Word of God, the Bible is there for anyone to read.
Peace and love to you.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
can i tell you a story which is unexplainable by science the power of the holy spirit and the power of speakin gin tongues one man was speaking in tongues and a jewish man was next to him and when he finished speain gin tongues the jewish man said do you know the language of hebrews
andd he said 'no' and he said becuase you told me my life stroy and that i need to come to the lord jesus christ thats the power of god i cant possibly see hwo that can be expained by science
mjone57 2 years ago
Can you provide reputable, non-biased evidence for your stories?
If you do believe in supernatural agencies, then another explanation for this story was the woman had telepathic abilities.
fuzzyprism 2 years ago
I'm not judging people, I respect every persons opinion even if they don't agree with me. And I respect your opinion very much. God Bless you :)
lcomstock21 2 years ago
That's fine, good debate :) Bless you.
lcomstock21 2 years ago
@tebuny1 It's a continual process no matter our background and we continue to be restored until we pass on to be with Jesus. I agree with this gentleman that totally surrendering in worship and soaking in God's spirit feeds the spirit and kills the flesh (Romans) so temptations become less. He said he noticed he started to not want intimacy with the other man anymore.
TazHall 2 months ago
Are you the guy from the Richard Cohen video?
redgirlinbluedresses 2 years ago
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jesus cant save you from homsoexuality he would never change who you are that is just ignorant and sickning
kaelinjohns 2 years ago
God doesn't make Mistakes and He is in control, and something else: If God were prejudice None of Us would be here. Love the Least of Your brothers and sisters as You would have them Love you. the Least shall be at the front of the line, not the doers of good works. A sinner Knows he's a sinner and reaches Up to God for help. God is not small minded or petty, but Loving and forgiving, kind and compassionate, so Judge not lest Ye be Judged.
LittlewingKD 2 years ago
@LittlewingKD I find that when we are stuck and trapped in a dark place, it is simple surrender to his presence and word that soaks in like a sponge to all the damaged places inside of us and it heals and restores us. When you put darkness in the hands of light, it starts to break and lose power over you.
TazHall 2 months ago
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Christianity SHOULD be about love. Not hate.
God loves all sinners, therefore He loves gays.
He does NOT hate gays.
He does not approve of any form of sin, but still cares about the sinner.
Christians who are hateful toward others do not comprehend what their Jesus was trying to teach them.
flintstone9812 2 years ago
That's right, Love the sinner hate the sin. He came here to Save the sinners, when He died the Whole Earth Shook.
LittlewingKD 2 years ago
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Question authority and do your own thinking. People who quote the bible use that as a short cut to thinking. They don't even attempt to question one single thing - what is up with that and why then should anyone listen to people who operate that way?
I was born a lesbian and I am happily sharing my life with a beautiful woman I adore. Good luck trying to 'cure' me. Is this dude saying god is a cure for happiness then? hahaha
MINMICHELE67 2 years ago
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My parents used this religion to reject me as their child because of being gay. Religion is a choice ...not based on facts or reality...a choice....and it causes self hate in gays...even suicides....and families to turn against their own family members. This religion of christianity has poisoned mt relationship with my family and damaged me mentally and emotionally. It took years of therapy to overcome the damage caused because of religion. Religion is poison
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RobertBaral365 2 years ago
The true Christians/God's children are led by the Spirit of the Almighty God not by theologians nor by any mankind. For it is written: "those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Rom 8:14
jesusiscominsoon 2 years ago 7
It is fascinating to read the holy arguments raised against Rockymtntruth from God's perspective.
I say to you this precious Rockymtntruth:
"Haven't you read,"---,"that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'& said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. THEREFORE WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER, LET MAN NOT SEPARATE." Matthew 19:4-6
Dig the Truth & save yourself!
SavUrselfNotTheEarth 2 years ago 12
Hello, is there any1 who can explain to me why God destroyed the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? "and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot...said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men...
jesusiscominsoon 2 years ago 5
Homosexual "theologians" will say it was because the city failed to show hospitality to Lot and his family. If that's the case, one wonders why sodomy didn't become synonymous with unfriendliness.
carnaco2 2 years ago 3
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Carnaco it is NOT only gay theologians who say it is because the city failed to show hospitality. Your extremist generalities are exposed as is your stupidity yet once again! You're digging yourself a deeper hole everytime you make these kinds of statements carnaco.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
they pressed hard against Lot...Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven" Gen 19
The Trinity never created Adam & a man but a woman. You will need 2 study the Bible by the grace of God 2 c the character of the Father & His Holiness! God doesnt tolerate offense & sin therefore He has made Himself extremely clear in His Word over and over again. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
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jesusiscominsoon 2 years ago
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carnaco has come up with nothing to state that God prohibits polygamy in the Bible especially when it was practiced by some the greatest patriarchs and prophets of the Bible. Never once do you read about God condemning them for this practice and telling them to repent of it. All carnaco can come up with is a reading of Genesis which is the story of the creation. That doesn't cut it.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Carnaco go get an education. If you want to learn about authentic biblical history and exegesis then go to a reputable school where they study the Bible and the history of the Bible (including the many cultures within its time and place) using critical analysis of the texts, the people in it and the lands where the events happened. Right now all I see from you is a hillbilly understanding of the Bible.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--I find it interesting that people like you will raise false issues like why Christians eat shellfish or certain types of clothing that allegedly go against Old Testament commands, yet when someone mentions God's command in Genesis to marry one wife, you have no answer, or answer only its use in the NT.
You aren't consistent in demanding of Christians what laws from the OT should be followed. If shellfish shouldn't be eaten, what invalidates God's OT command of one wife?
carnaco2 2 years ago
Carnaco you have not answered any of my questions. In fact your mental gymnastics is very telling as to your logic regarding the Bible. The Genesis account is one portion of the Biblical historic account and though monogamy is the general principle (and always was in the ancient texts) it is not the only one. Your simplistic black and white thinking explains just how you read these texts at an elementary level which typically is very simplistic.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
*By gosh, I think Rocky might just be condescending to me!!*
So, you write off the command spoke to Adam and Eve as to the design of marriage as the "general principle". You can list references where God speaks and lists or condones other principles? You've certainly come up with nothing to indicate He condoned polygamy, except to say the patriarchs practiced it. Try that at a seminary and see how far it gets you.
1 man/1 woman is the ONLY design God commanded and condones.
carnaco2 2 years ago 4
carnaco2 you're such an uneducated dip. God doesn't list these principles in some scripture like He does with the 10 commandments. You really don't get it. You don't take the bible as a whole and look at the entire record except that you pick out and nit pick certain sections that support your narrow premise. Not all seminaries would agree with your premise, especially not unbiased research into the historicity of biblical culture, etc. at universities like Harvard, Yale, etc.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--"God doesn't list these principles in some scripture like He does with the 10 commandments"
What an easy cop-out for the inability to find a scripture where God oks homosexual "marriage". Oh, "God doesn't list these principles", so the "theological" answer is , if God doesn't explicity mention it, it must be ok.
Forget the fact that "a man shall leave his parents & cleave unto his wife" automatically excludes homosexuals from marrying. But Rocky has strange justifications for it.
carnaco2 2 years ago 2
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carnaco2 you have not answered even one of my arguments here. Not one. You're again proving how incredibly uneducated and stupid you are. Your snake-oil hillbilly theological education is really showing through.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--If you enjoy being condescending, keep it up. Someone will have the guts and intellecutal honesty to answer what you've ignored for some time, either through cowardice or simple ignorance of the subject.
carnaco2 2 years ago 5
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Carnaco I guess you don't have the honesty or the intellect to answer anything except to reveal what a stupid bigot you are!
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--If you'd stop using the few liberal theologians or professors that you've plugged into and listen to people that are true to the Word, you might get more light on the subject.
It's no wonder homosexuals think they have the green light from God to engage in abnormal sexual relations.
How do your theologians stand on murder, bestiality, incest, adultery, coveting? Good chance they see nothing wrong with any of those.
carnaco2 2 years ago 4
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Carnaco the bible Idolater/bible worshipper speaks great truths of the ages. Carnaco there are thousands of theologians and professors who use their minds and think which is something that I'm sad to say is very foreign to you.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--Sadly, many of them only use their mind and don't bother relying on the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
It isn't a recent innovation, since heresies have arisen by people who thought they could leave the Holy Spirit of their studies.
And that's how we end up with people thinking their homosexual acts are something God blesses.
Does your dictionary list "friendship" as part of the origins of sodomy? God destroys 2 towns because of a lack of hospitality? That's the homosexual's God.
carnaco2 2 years ago 4
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Well carnaco2 I know a lot of people who claimed to use the Holy Spirit when they interpreted the Bible to support slavery, the subjugation of women (i.e. couldn't speak in church, etc.) and to even oppose interracial marriage. Many Christians still don't get it when history keeps repeating itself. All they need to do is start looking outside of their dogmatic little boxes and stop acting like Pharisees and really see what God is doing in blessing people both gay and heterosexual.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--Seems like you've made God in your image. I'll leave you and your superior intellect to interpret the Bible any way you think is right.
It's sad that people choose to set aside centuries of sound Biblical scholarship simply to get pleasure out of an act God has clearly condemned.
carnaco2 2 years ago 4
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Carnaco you're the one who makes God in your image. You don't even differentiate gay people who are promiscuous, having sex in parks, etc. from those who are living in committed, monogamous, loving relationships (many who have faith in Christ), some who even raise children. You lump all gay people into one place and your self-righteous pharisaical haughty, bigoted, creepiness shows through as to what an ignorant creep you really are. Look in the mirror at the pharisee looking back.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Carnaco there is no reference in the Old Testament or New that states that God has commanded men to take more than one wife but there also is no divine prohibition either and I challenge you to prove from the texts otherwise. You just won't find any references there to prove your premise so you're wrong again.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Simply look at God's command that "a man shall leave his parents and cleave unto his wife" (singular).
If you can get homosexual or plural "marriage" out of that, you're simply being intellectually dishonest with the text.
Yet you try to say the Bible speaks from silence in favor of polygamy. Brother!!
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco you dip, the topic from Matthew ("a man shall leave his parents...") is about divorce. "Brother!!" yourself. You're proving more each time how ignorant you are about Biblical exegesis in favor of back woods hillbilly American Evangelicalism. If God commanded that a man shall not have more than one wife He would have told Abraham and others directly but He did not. It's so stupid and backwards how you guys read these texts so out of historical contexts.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Again carnaco if you discuss this with the Jews (you know the descendants of the ancient people who wrote down these words) then just maybe you might begin to have a little understanding instead of your modern anachronistic (one man one woman) point of view.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
The death of Absalom was due, in part, to David's ordering of the death of Uriah, so you're correct there. The Bible shows David repenting of many sins, but not that of polygamy. You have it on good authority, either from the Bible or from Jewish friends, that God gave His ok for polygamy somewhere in the Bible?
Liberal Jews will probably give you a totally different answer than Orthodox or Conservative Jews.
carnaco2 2 years ago 2
Actually Orthodox Jews want to be able to live polygamy again as they feel it is part of God's plan. They say that the main reason they don't practice it is because they would be persecuted by Christians for so doing. There is nothing in Jewish law that prohibits polygamy.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
And they gave you chapter and verse to support that, I trust?
carnaco2 2 years ago
Carnaco I suppose you are now the authority on biblical history and exegesis. So what degree do you have and from what University? You probably think you know more about the Old Testament than Jewish Rabbi's. Actually the weight of evidence falls upon you to prove that polygamy was not approved of by God even though the greatest of the Patriarchs practiced it. Your modern understanding is based on modern views.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
The evidence stands in the Old Testament. There's no reference there to God commanding human beings to engage in polygamy.
His major reference to marriage is to cleave unto a [one] wife. You've come up with nothing to prove that God's allowing sin to take place, be it polygamy, murder, homosexuality, somehow means He ordains that people commit those sins.
You're appparently hoping there's something written there that orders people to enter plural marriages or marry someone of the same sex.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Carnaco2 WRONG yet again. The greatest of all of the Patriarchs (Abraham) and others practiced polygamy and there is absolutely no biblical proof that states that God is displeased with the fact that these men have more than one wife. You are placing your own modern worldview into the ancient texts instead of letting them speak for themselves with is typical of many Evangelicals. There is absolutely no reference in the Bible that God says "One man and One woman" only.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
And further study would show Rocky that eunuchs weren't people born homosexual, but people who were castrated or who were born with malformed sex organs. Another convenient repetition of homosexual arguments that don't stand up to Biblical scholarship.
carnaco2 2 years ago 2
carnaco2 you dip you are again showing the childishness and literalist thinking that shows why you really don't get some of the symbolism behind the scriptures. Jesus was talking symbolically about eunachs for the kingdoms sake are those who choose celibacy over marriage. I'm trying to describe the fact that there is more than one state that is shown to be acceptable by the NT standards.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Also Paul says "neither is the man without the woman or the woman without the man in the Lord" yet there is absolutely no evidence in the Bible that Paul was ever married. What a conundrum this creates for Evangelical literalists.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Go even further and say that Jesus wasn't married. Again, a study of the Bible indicates that not everyone is to be married, but the proper design of marriage that God shows in Genesis and in Luke is one man/one woman. As Paul and Jesus show, it's also ok to be single, but celibate.
carnaco2 2 years ago 2
Also carnaco there is more than one definition of marriage found in the Bible. Even Jesus descended from another definition of marriage and that definition is polygamy. He came through the house of David who most definitely was a polygamist. Jesus also refers to this ancient definition of marriage (because ancient Jews knew it well) in the parable of the 10 virgins. Just ask a Jewish scholar. They are scholars who are a heck of a lot more intelligent than you are.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
The "shall a man leave his parents and cleave unto his wife" scripture is another parable of Jesus wherein Jesus is speaking to a specific audience. The childish carnaco uses one scripture, taking it out of its wholeness and context to apply it to everyone when there's no evidence that it was meant to be more than Jesus telling a very important principle to a group where it was to be applied. He also spoke of Eunich's for the Kingdom as well. He wasn't speaking of those folks in this context.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky will conveniently question why people eat shellfish if the Old Testament forbids it but won't touch God's words in the OT that Jesus quoted about a man cleaving to his wife. It's ok for Rocky to question why Christians eat shellfish, but not kosher to challenge God's statement in Genesis about one man/one woman marriage.
This is one way homosexuals try to have it both ways. Question why Christian allegedly don't follow some OT commands but ignoring the commands about what true marriage is
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco there you go again (the shellfish argument) and then you conveniently ignore the polygamy principle. To say that Adam and Eve's story in Genesis is God's design and then to ignore later proof that God also has allowed other forms of marriage is just not very scholarly and in fact it is (again) very childish.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
You assume that God's allowing polygamy to go on indicates His ok of it. God allows sin to be present in His creation, but He certainly doesn't ok sin.
David had to answer for his sins, through the loss of a child, through losses in battle.
Yes, polygamy took place, but you will nowhere find God saying that's His design for marriage. One man/one woman remains God's standard.
carnaco2 2 years ago
WRONG again carnaco2. David had to answer for his sins because he caused a man to be killed (he committed murder) and that was the sin he committed. Not having more than one wife.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
nohuruk and everyone here who has any questions about this topic read this amazing book JESUS, THE BIBLE, AND HOMOSEXUALITY: EXPLODE THE MYTHS, HEAL THE CHURCH by Jack Rogers. It is the Church that needs to be healed people. The sickness I see on so many of these so-called Evangelical Christian sites is appalling. nahoruk (the guy who claims to be freed from homosexuality) likely was never really a classic gay person (probably bi-sexual) to begin with.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,..."1 Cori 6:9
I want every1 to know that Jesus Christ never died for us with the intention that we can keep sinning against the Holy God. He has died to liberate us of our sin (from small 2 big) & gave us the authority to walk with Him righteously & know Him eternally "so that people are without excuse." Rom 1:20
jesusiscominsoon 2 years ago
jesusiscominsoon that translation of the Bible is incredibly bigoted and wrong. "effeminate"? Come on. What if a woman is effeminate? You can take words in the bible out of context & use them to persecute & emotionally bludgeon a person to emotional oblivion. That is the damage that these religionists have done to gay people as they have to other minorities in past times. The bible can be used to heal or it can be used to harm and cause destruction. That's the problem with religion.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Carnaco you are the one who is confused not gay people who accept themselves for who they are and love and embrace Christ. Carnaco using the terminology "mouth off about romantic love" tells people that you are absolutely soulless when it comes to understanding what love really is. You have not walked in our shoes. You don't understand us and you never will as long as you have such a pharisaical, self-righteous and pious worldview about gay people as you most definitely show you have.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Carnaco2 will (I'm sure) continue to believe in the delusion that gay people cannot be true to their innate orientation and live a Christ led life. There are hundreds of thousands of gay people who are both gay and Christian. They live lives filled with the fruits of the Spirit. Ever hear of Jason and DeMarco? There is one wonderful Christian couple that show the love of Christ in their relationship. Ray Boltz is another example of a man of Christ who is true to himself and to Jesus Christ.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Sadly, homosexuals have flocked to pastors or theologians who say things they want to hear that will affirm their "innate homosexuality", rather than calling it sin as the Bible does.
I don't doubt that homosexuals can be Christians. I know many. But when Jesus forgave the sin of the adulterous woman, He told her to go and sin no more.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Jesus would forgive the sin of anyone who still accepts a sinful condition in their life as natural, if they recognize it as sin and walk away from it. His words "go and sin no more" apply to murderers, rapists, liars, pedophiles and yes, homosexuals, too.
As long as they accept what their itching ears want to hear, that Jesus says it's ok to be "gay", He can't extend His forgiveness.
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco2 you're the one with itching ears just like a big fat pharisee who can't look at reality. Comparing gay people to rapists, liars, pedophiles is pretty sick and definitely off the track of reality and truth. Gay people are born the way they are they are fearfully, wonderfully made just like all of God's children but the fact that you can't see that and are so blinded by your bigoted dogma tells us far more about you than it does about anything else.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
carnaco2 sadly people like you continue to point fingers at people using the bible to beat the shit out of them. It's so sad that you use the bible as a weapon and use your self-righteous know it all theological haughtiness to guide you while saying Jesus told you to do it. Great, blame Jesus and don't take responsibility for your own bigotry and stupidity.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Not much you can do with "a man shall leave his parents and cleave unto his wife" to open the door to marriage for homosexuals based on the words of Jesus.
Obviously, homosexual-friendly churches find a way so they can satisfy and justify the urges of their homosexual
congregants.
The Siren call of abnormal pleasures is too compelling for many to resist, as the many homosexuals calling their relationships "normal" evidence.
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco2 can't get it out of his/her small mind that gay orientation is not based on "urges" it is based on an orientation that is just as legitimate and just as real and innate as a heterosexual orientation. Heterosexuality has urges to it. No doubt. Heterosexuality (just like homosexuality) has the romantic factor and the love and companionship that brings two people together including those who have been together for decades. This is the reality carnaco can't see being blinded by dogma.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Thank God for this fellow. Indeed there is nothing will stop the Lord Jesus from changing unchangeable mind set. U may claim; "i was born this way or that way so this is who i am!" That is way Jesus said; You must be BORN AGAIN to enter the Kingdom of God. John3:3 What a Word!!!
jesusiscominsoon 2 years ago
Homosexuals telling other homosexuals that they were born that way and can NEVER change sound like the blind leading the blind. Lost in their abnormal lifestyle with no desire to leave it and live a normal heterosexual life. All the while demanding "equal rights", "marriage', etc.
For no sustatined period in human history has homoexuality been viewed as normal. That doesn't stop homosexuals from discouraging others from leaving the lifestyle and railing at those who encourage them to leave.
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco2 you're not an expert on sexual orientation or sexuality so just keep your damn mouth shut. Until you get an education and can speak with some semblance of intelligence you really don't have a leg to stand on. There are thousands of people who have left the "Ex-Gay" "lifestyle" and have finally embraced who they are after going through the bullshit and realizing what a fraud Exodus and other "ex-gay"ministries are.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
People who understand the confusion homosexuals go through in thinking their condition is "natural" will continue to speak out and affirm that nature would in no way create human beings that would mouth off about "romantic love" when referring to someone of the same sex.
As homosexuals continue to mock those who've successfully left the lifestyle, it gives hope to the many who are still trapped in homosexuality and desparately want to change.
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco2 man alive you just continue to spew more lies using the anti-gay terminology "lifestyle", etc. What "gay lifestyle"? Just that term shows me that you are a liar and don't understand reality. Gay people live many different kinds of lifestyles just like heterosexual people do. There are thousands of people who have been through the "ex-gay" hocus pocus programs who are now former ex-gays and are just as saved as they were before by the Savior yet just as gay as they ever were as well.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
I just looked at nahoruk's YouTube site and realized that he has a whole bunch of videos of Todd Bentley. This guy who is speaking on this video here just lost even more credibility than the little he had before. Todd Bentley is a fraud. There are so many of these freaks out there who lead the gullible and they just follow him like dumb sheep. It's so pathetic when you think about it.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Carnaco needs to get a life. The day will come when Carnaco will be old and in a nursing home or passed on and people will either forget or only remember in amusement, the petty, extreme arguments that carnaco presents here.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Gays get these biblical "clobber passages" pounded into their heads over and over again like they are being brainwashed (by Evangelical cults) to hate themselves for who they are. Then when they wise up & start the process of coming out, supporting marriage equality and other gay civil rights they are told they are persecuting Christians. The kinds of Christians who support the hypocritical hate toward gay people can go straight to the very hell they have conjured up in their creepy minds.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago
Rocky--It's all about unnatural love. Doesn't matter if it's consenting love or not. Humans were designed to pair up with the opposite sex.
Sex with or love for animals, children, blood relatives, someone of the same sex, all go against what the body and emotions were designed for.
The UCC is hardly middle of the road in its beliefs. They're so far to the left of center that they could easily do without the Bible at all, since they've drained all the truth out of it.
carnaco2 2 years ago
carnaco2 I completely disagree with you about that. Generally speaking heterosexuality will be in the majority (as it always has throughout all time)! You don't have a damned clue about what you are talking about regarding what the body and emotions were designed for. I know through experience that my love for my partner is real and it is just as authentic a love as heterosexual romance is. You're way far to the right of center and your views are so far away from reality that they stink.
Rockymtntruth 2 years ago