Thanks for posting this. I ALWAYS remove the coat from my 3yo and 1yo when I put them in the car seat. Always have. I cringe when I see someone put their child in a seat with the coat on or when you see a baby in their infant seat with one of those snow suits on. And I do not say anything because when you start saying something about the way someone parents, it causes a lot of issues. Thanks for the video :)
This is a GREAT video! Thank you for taking the time to make/post it! I was going to make my own until I found yours! It covers key points quickly and effectively:)
omg I feel so stupid now. My daughter's whole life I've actually LOOSENED them so the car seat will fit! Thank you so much for this video I never knew it was that important!
And your stupid enough NOT to properly secure a harness? If you put it that way I wouldn't want you securing your own kids. There is a reason they have all those parts to secure, if your dumb enough not too you deserve the consequences...
If you think that's harsh, look at it this way: Would you skimp on your own saftey? No, so don't skimp on your kids. PEROID
@quakefiend1 Oh lord. So you can't be nice for 5 minutes, huh? That's the whole point. What seems like being secured, in coats that compress, is false. When the coat compresses, which it will since coats like that rely on lots of air space to fill up with body warmth, then the straps are way too loose. That's why you wear clothing that can't compress, like fleece, or even leather.
Wow that's intense, thanks for this video! Not sure if you'll answer me but I live in Northern Canada, where it gets to -45 C some days... I have a onesie snowsuit for my rearfacing almost 20 month old... If I'm just going to do the groceries or some short trip what would I do? Like she can't just have a coat on, even backwards... she would freeze. Would a sweater be okay? And then tucking her legs and arms into the suit? Once again ty for this great video!
@ssheldon100 There has been studies to prove this. Everyone should practice this. Even adults in normal seat belts. They have done crash test dummies.
@Neuralatrophy - The point is that all winter coats with the exception of thin fleece compress in accidents. Compression causes there to be space between the child and the straps, which is dangerous in an accident because it can eject a child from the seat if there is an accident.
Great video! My son was born in Fairbanks, Alaska in JANUARY and we currently live in New York's North Country (WAY upstate!). We've dealt with some very low temps (-50 F wasn't that uncommon in AK) and have still always managed to keep our kiddo warm AND safe! I warm the car up (if I remember) and my son goes in the car WITHOUT a winter coat. He usually wears a thin fleece or sweater. Then we put the coat on backwards over the straps. Not rocket science, only a little extra effort.
@xopaula1993xo Actually, many six year olds are still in 5-point harnesses due to lack of maturity to sit properly in a booster seat. Also, my son, there in the video, didn't hit forty pounds until he was almost seven, which has it's own safety ramifications.
Lastly, a "car seat with the harness removed" can ONLY be used as a booster seat if it's DESIGNED to be used that way. NEVER do that with a seat not intended to turn into a booster.
@xopaula1993xo - Many car seats do allow children to be in a 5-point harness up to 80lbs (Radian for example). An average 6 year old weighs approximately 45 pounds. Therefore, most 6 year olds (and beyond) could still be in a 5 point harness. It is shown to be safer for children to remain in a 5 point harness to the limit of their seat. So, not all 6 year olds are in a regular seat belt in a booster.
@xopaula1993xo It is not mandatory for a child to move up to a booster. Laws only give minimum requirements. Look at the rearfacing law, for example- the law says that it is exceptable for child to rear face up to age 1 in and 20 lbs, but going 1 extra year, up until age 2 is 5 times safer. The recommendation for a booster seat is 4 years old AND 40 lbs, but in a booster seat, children also have to sit still- can't lean over to tease a sibling, or pick up a toy, etc.
You people with all the "theories" about why coats and car seats are safe are just ignorant. In the video, it shows that her son could easily come out of the car seat in an accident when the straps are as loose as they would be when the coat is compressed. How in the world can you say that the coat creates more of a cushion for the child or would act as an air bag when there is a strong likelihood of the child being thrown completely out of the seat in an accident. Again, plain ignorance...
Or you know, you can tighten the straps when the baby isn't wearing a coat and then put the coat on without loosening the straps.. Yes, its' a tight fit and it's hard to get the kid buckled in, but it's safe AND warm.
An air bag compresses. During an accident your car goes from lets say 30 to 0 in .6 seconds resulting in a very high impact force. The air bag increases the impact time (meaning it now takes, lets say, 2.6 seconds for your body to go from 30 to zero) as it COMPRESSES. Force = mass * change in velocity/time. Mass and change in Velocity are constant but as time increases impact force decreases. One might consider then that a coat COMPRESSES like an airbag so their little bodies receive less force.
@boneheaders How do you know? Were you there with the companies when they crash tested their seats? The point is, you don't know which scenarios were used with every company when they crash tested their seats. It is possible though, that the companies that state in their user manual "do not use bulky clothing with the car seat" have a reason for saying this.
Thank you for this! I agree 100%! The most my kids wear in their seats is 2 layers. We purchase a fleece jacket each year for each kid. Winter coats stay in car until we get to where we need them. This year my kids are old enough that they take their fleece blankets with them to the car. And, if I park in the garage the fleece blankets are warm enough to throw over them without bringing them in. My kids wait for me to tuck them in their seats with the blanket when they get in the car!
@SamanthaNicoleTWrite WHAT? of course not. thats what blankets are for!!!! pack athe coat for when they are outside not inthe car seat and then cover them up with blankets in the car seat after they are strapped in. This isnt rocket science!!! putting them in with a big coat on is ignorant and unsafe. c'mon peopple.
@dingledo23 well I don't have kids but what do you do then? Put the coat on them in the house and bring them to the car, take it off and strap them in? Obviously it's not that safe, but you're not saying much other than the coat is unsafe.
Might be an interesting idea to have a type of jacket the child can wear that is designed to go along with the car-seat's 5-point harness and provide proper padding to adsorb and disperse the energy from a crash even more so than just the harness alone. Might be hot in the summer but in the winter I think such a thing could work. A regular jacket is not made for such impacts but one with energy absorbing foam and such could be? Just a thought?
@NutMegs76 I agree in Europe they don't have chest clips. Which Is safer because you don't risk the chance of it breaking, puncture to the child, or blockng air ways in an accident.If you tighten the straps properly its fine. In Europe, infant seats have "Isofix bases" with light indicators, a bar that goes to the floor,& isofix into the seat. Also, if you install their infant seats without the base the routing goes not just in the front, but around the seat to prevent it from tipping up.
I totally get what you are saying in this video,when confronted by a State Trooper when recieving a car seat we were told NEVER to use a coat with a car seat.
It didn't seem like she actually tightened the straps very well when the coat was on. I think a video showing someone using some real muscle to tighten would be more effective.
@CObikeClan "Real muscle?" You're not trying to HURT your child. I demonstrated that the straps were as tight as they need to be, passing the Pinch Test AND the Britax seat's "Click Safe" feature also clicked, which you can hear. Any tighter and you HURT the child.
@RanaAurora Britax seat's "Click Safe" feature cannot be trusted. I have one as well and I have to get several clicks to make sure it's actually tight. I love Britax car seats but CS is not to be trusted. You still have to do all the tightness checks.
Computerized and only recognise the owners finger print to unlock the doors and to turn the car on or off it would also monitor the speed limit of your car and the cars next to you so if you as the parent think another car is posubly putting your children or loved ones in danger do to highspeed or irotic driving you can use a camera on the mounted in the outer shell of the car to take a picture of the licens plate and it would amidietly be sent to the nearest police HQ or cruiser
what if every seat in the car had a five point harness installed and could be ajusted from the youngest of age to adult and just like a seat on a train you could ajust it so an infant could be in the refacing position the actual seats them selfs would be seporate and would be maid of memory phome to provent damage from the lightest of accidents the entire outer shell and inner shell of the car would be renforced like a military Hum V everything would be computerized no keys everything would be
along with what I just posted not many people would fallow it unless it were a manditory compliance but what if there were to be a type of vehicale desighned to keep children and adults safe if a five point harness saves a childs life almost 99 % of the time if they are strapped in corectly who is to say it wont protect an adult yes there is "I am going to drive like a idiot since I am well protected to facter in" but thats were a reserection of common sence comes in
Hey, great video! New parents here, living in Canada and before we venture out in -20C we had to go over this once more, it really helps to see it in video form, thanks!
It is your choice to choose between hypothermia and car seat safety. Of course the #1 killer of children in the US are car accidents. I would seriously consider into heating up the car before leaving. I am not trying to be sarcastic. It is your choice.
@jenn21711 ever heard of blankets? they cover up just as well over the straps. then put the coat on when they are out of the seat. people aren't idiots, thinking coats are the only means of being warm are idiotic. c'mon people.
Boy, you should remove that sleeper. Its called compression, so it may seem safe, but unless hes naked, hes simply not. Sound logical? Didnt think so. The winter jacket you "compressed" is actually adding the the amount of straping in 3 areas, his back, his chest and his shoulders. If you fold his jacket layering three times and compress it you will still have what.. a quarter of an inch? That rooms is the play you see when hes undressed, there is simply less of him occupying the space.
@LisaLoGullo Wow. Well then all these car manufacturers and safety organizations must be stupid if it's that simple! Either that, or, you're wrong. Huh.
To reiterate: compressed coat does NOT equal zero coat. The material still has substance, still contributes as a restraining factor. Pulling the straps tight accounts for most of the same "compression". Of the three or four videos like this that I've seen, not ONE -- not a single one -- offers hard numbers or usable reference to a site that would have such information. They are 100% hype with 0% information.
@n6151h Really? You must not look very hard. Look up the manual for almost every harnessed car seat out there. It's written IN THE MANUAL not to wear coats. Go on the Facebook page of the manufacturers and ask. They all will tell you the same thing.
@BMW3toy3 A car seat cannot be used the same way for a newborn as for a toddler. EVERY car seat I've every used or looked at stated very clearly, in the manual, that car seats should be installed facing rearward for newborns, precisely because their muscle and skeletal frames are not sufficiently developed to withstand even a sudden braking, let alone an impact. Your comment is completely off-point.
I get really really tired of all these "car seat techs" that came out in the last 5 years that have all these rules about carseats. The jacket one is a huge pet peeve of mine. Why?
Put your child in the carseat EXACTLY like how you have shown/no jacket. Car gets hit by a side impact and because the seat was not checked to make sure that it was properly installed, the seat fails for whatever reason and the child dies. Kids die more often in seats that are not properly installed than in jackets.
@acbrignall Your point is? A perfectly installed car seat also means nothing if the child is buckled in. The most common mistakes: a very loose harness and low chest clip. Even with PERFECT installation, THAT mistake can cost your child their life. Yes, people need to learn how to install their seats. They also need to learn how to use them. You don't pick and choose -- you follow the WHOLE manual.
@RanaAurora My point is that there are a lot more people that do not use carseat correctly, or even not at all. The efforts of the carseat techs would be better suited to educate those people rather than arguing with moms on what is in the manuals. If parents cared, (which they do because everyone reads the manual right?) then they would already know this stuff. BTW - I contacted Sunshine Kids the makers of the radian and they said that jackets were ok, and you dont even need the chest clip.
You don't get sick from the cold! You get sick from bacteria or viruses. Your immune system can be lowered in the cold, but a coat isn't going to stop your head or some part of your body getting cold so your immune system could get lowered that way too. IF you have proper nutrition, take your vitamins as well as extra Vit C, you will be fine for 5 minutes in the cold while waiting for a car to warm up. Blankets work JUST as well as a coat.
@lights106 So true. :) Blankets are so overlooked in this discussion! It's wise to have warm blankets in your car anyway in case you break down. Also, when your car heats up, a child in their coat will be way too warm, but a child with a blanket can adjust it for comfort.
I understand what ur trying to say but for years upon years parents have been putting kids in caraseats in winter coats and we all are fine I'd be much more concerned about my son getting sick then what ur talking about happening in this video
@icequeen144 You gotta love that. I've heard "My kid was forward facing at 8 months and he's FINE." How many car accidents? Generally, it's zero, or a tiny dent on a bumper in a parking lot.
@MrPhilipsmommy Your son will not get sick from using a blanket instead of his coat in his seat. There has to be a virus he's exposed to, not just a temperature, to fall ill.
Also, yes, for many years parents have been doing it, and we've seen scary incidents where that has been the reason a child died. Fortunately, as technology improves, and as real-life scenarios happen, we learn from them so we can prevent tragedy from repeating.
@MrPhilipsmommy and its common sence to readjust the harness from winter use from waring a coat to wareing simple spring time or even summer time cloths
Have you consulted a professional or is this just something you came up with? I mean I see your point but I would believe it more if there was a car seat professional backing up ur claims
@MrMarbles6 Feel free to consult any car seat manufacturer! Also, I urge to you Google the PDFs of car seat manuals. Almost every single one out there tells you "Do not wear bulky clothing or coats in the car seat" and urges you to remove it before harnessing the child in. :)
This is BS. No credible study or evidence to support this claim. In fact, having the kid in their winter coat will probably give them more protection: the coat will NOT compress instantly, but will dissipate the energy of an impact much the same as an airbag, and it will protect them from any broken glass or other flying debris resulting from the impact.
@n6151h I have seen a safety video a while ago (at least a year ago) it was showing newborn babies even slightly loose can have severe whiplash and neck injuries. The demonstration was with a doll showed loose and snug lurching the infant seat forward and it was amazing the difference in a little snugness how much less safe they can be. Depending on the coat you may be right but without proper testing how do you know for sure that YOUR coat would be safe when most are absolutly not?
@n6151h You want to confirm that theory, my sister was lucky her airbag didn't go off! It would have impailed her in the head none the less killing her. Word of mouth from someone that worked at GM. The point she is trying to make is that you can never be to safe, so why not take the extra precautions! This was just to inform people what they didn't no sitting here aruging wasting online space is of utmost rediculous and the most ignorance I have seen portrayed today, Thanks!
I absolutely love this. Thanks for sharing. I shared this on my FB. Now that the weather is getting cooler out, I'm so afraid for some of my friends and family who aren't as car savvy as the rest of us. I'd hate, hate, hate to see something happen to them. :(
This is good practical advice in some cases, However I would love to see these parents live in northern Canada when its -55 with a 15 degree strip there child down to a light shirt. I work EMS and the solution that I have first hand knowledge of is to leave the child in the jacket, unzip it in the car and place the straps against the chest. Then when tightening tighten past your normal standard of tight
This is good practical advice in some cases, However I would love to see these parents live in northern Canada when its -55 with a 15 degree strip there child down to a light shirt. I work EMS and the solution that I have first hand knowledge of is to leave the child in the jacket, unzip it in the car and place the straps against the chest. Then when tightening tighten past your normal standard of tight removing the room for compression.
thanks for sharing this great video. we have fantastic car seats in Germany, too. But the seats with 5-point-harness can only be used until the age of 3 or 3 1/2. Then the seats are just to small.
We also don't have chest clips. I just ordered one from the US for my youngest (16 month)
We also don't have rear facing seats for 1-4 year olds.
@RanaAurora Awesome, it looks great! We've got our three-year-old (almost four, sniffle) in a Graco Nautilus and I love it, and was considering getting another for our 18-month-old, but a seat like this would let him ERF for another 5lbs. It's a tough call to make, especially since for half the price the Nautilus harnesses up to 65lbs (only 5lbs short of the Advocate) and then boosters up to 100lbs. It's so tough sometimes to make carseat decisions when price is a factor!
@CataclysmicStar Have you looked at a Sunshine Kids Radian XT? You'd get another 10 pounds rear-facing, and it would probably last forward-facing for three or four more years, easily.
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Obviously you must not live in a cold climate where the temperatures drop to -40C! If you were in a crash in cold temperatures like that, your child would die quickly of hypothermia! We not only wear winter jackets, we also wear snow pants on the kids here with those frigid temperatures.
FYI...we WERE in an accident when our child was wearing a WINTER coat at a high speed of 85km/h and our child was not injured.
@LoriCummings You can get a carseat poncho that keeps the child warm without interfering with the straps. It is much safer. They are easy and inexpensive to make. I'm glad your child was safe, but it was pure luck and I would take that chance with my child.
@LoriCummings I live in Upstate Ny and my 4 year old daughter uses a Snugglie for the car I also warm the car up befor we get in the car and then take both of my girls jackets off of them and my oldest puts on the snugglie and my youngest just uses 2 blankets till she is big enough for a snugglie( she is only 1 and still rear Facing) and you where luckey that your child wasnt hurt in the accident. I had a friend that had an acciednt and her child was hurt because of the jacket compressing.
@svenidol no, a car seat is to protect a child in a crash. if the harness is loose, the child will move out of position. whiplash on an adult isn't the same as whiplash on a baby.
also, crash forces are much stronger- you can't physically compress a jacket against your child (without hurting them) like a crash would.
I thought the purpose of the car seat was to prevent a child from becoming an airborne projectile in the event of an accident, not be a motion restricting restraint. However, if you are concerned, why not simply "compress" the jacket by tightening the straps?
I posted the video to my FB. I hope if it can just reach one mom, who passes it on.. it could be saving lives. It's incredible how ignorant to car seat safety the world seems to be. the part in the video where you show just how loose the straps are, really chilled me to the bone. Thank you so much for creating this. I've passed it on. :)
It is stupid to spend $200 something dollars on a car seat so that your child can ride safely if you don't properly clasp them in. You are WRONG if you put them in their seat in a puffy winter jacket. Don't be ignorant with your child's life and do your research.
This is one of the best replies about car seat safety I've ever heard/read. It's simply ignorant to make "excuses" when it comes to your childs safety! Thank you for this comment!!!
Absolutely wonderful video! You should have mentioned why is is bad besides the loose straps though. The reason behind it is that a child can come out of the car seat, and out of their jacket completely. A car crash going more than 40 mph cause a lot of force and anything can happen regardless of a 5-point harness.
Your child will not get sick because they don't have a jacket on IN THE CAR. You aren't outside in the cold air. Turn your heat on if you think your kid will get sick.
@justxxlive Thanks for the feedback! I should have included that, you're right. This video was made to go in conjunction with my post that is linked to in the long description, but I should have considered that it would circulate as a stand-alone as well.
@riverslakes07 Yes, they still are. That was the point. When I take the coat off and the straps are loose, that shows how much your coat would actually compress. It's essentially as if the coat doesn't EXIST, because most winter coats are nothing but big pockets of air. Even if they don't fly all the way out (WHICH DOES HAPPEN) they could come partially out, which is incredibly dangerous as well. I added a link in the description just for you so you can read the many OTHER ways to keep kids warm
This is a FANTASTIC video! Very clear and concise - demonstrates the point very well. I'm bookmarking this to use when I get the *look* from friends and family who think I'm abusing my poor child by not buckling them in with a gigantic coat on.
Hey, you are awesome. Thanks for that info! Typically, I will take off my son's coat because it's so bulky and I don't want the straps to be too tight pushing down an uncomfortable coat onto him. But also I had never heard of the pinch test before this video so it's helped me in more ways than one. Thank you!!!
Great job. This is one of the only videos on the subject that uses live footage for the demonstration, versus a series of still shots. And all in one take, which is impressive!
@CarSeatPoncho That was my goal! I'd looked for one to use and was disappointed that all of them were still-frame continuations. I thought this would get the point across in the most trustworthy and efficient manner. :)
Thanks for posting this. I ALWAYS remove the coat from my 3yo and 1yo when I put them in the car seat. Always have. I cringe when I see someone put their child in a seat with the coat on or when you see a baby in their infant seat with one of those snow suits on. And I do not say anything because when you start saying something about the way someone parents, it causes a lot of issues. Thanks for the video :)
BrandiRevers 3 days ago
This is a GREAT video! Thank you for taking the time to make/post it! I was going to make my own until I found yours! It covers key points quickly and effectively:)
Mamawic 1 week ago
omg I feel so stupid now. My daughter's whole life I've actually LOOSENED them so the car seat will fit! Thank you so much for this video I never knew it was that important!
PinkZebraDivas 1 month ago
@PinkZebraDivas Don't feel stupid! What's important is you now know!
RanaAurora 1 month ago
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quakefiend1 1 month ago
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And your stupid enough NOT to properly secure a harness? If you put it that way I wouldn't want you securing your own kids. There is a reason they have all those parts to secure, if your dumb enough not too you deserve the consequences...
If you think that's harsh, look at it this way: Would you skimp on your own saftey? No, so don't skimp on your kids. PEROID
quakefiend1 1 month ago
@quakefiend1 Oh lord. So you can't be nice for 5 minutes, huh? That's the whole point. What seems like being secured, in coats that compress, is false. When the coat compresses, which it will since coats like that rely on lots of air space to fill up with body warmth, then the straps are way too loose. That's why you wear clothing that can't compress, like fleece, or even leather.
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Wow that's intense, thanks for this video! Not sure if you'll answer me but I live in Northern Canada, where it gets to -45 C some days... I have a onesie snowsuit for my rearfacing almost 20 month old... If I'm just going to do the groceries or some short trip what would I do? Like she can't just have a coat on, even backwards... she would freeze. Would a sweater be okay? And then tucking her legs and arms into the suit? Once again ty for this great video!
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kylooo 1 month ago
Thank you for this, never realised!! Will always be taking my child's coat off from now on!
kgwizdala16 1 month ago 2
Right thank you for this video i will now stop using the winter coats in the car seats
david00242 1 month ago 2
@ssheldon100 There has been studies to prove this. Everyone should practice this. Even adults in normal seat belts. They have done crash test dummies.
marissaj125 2 months ago 2
@ssheldon100 He still needs to be in a carseat. it is recommended to REARFACE and HARNESS as long as possible.
marissaj125 2 months ago
Yep, This is the cause of 1000% of deaths in Alaska...
whodatt11992 2 months ago
@Neuralatrophy - The point is that all winter coats with the exception of thin fleece compress in accidents. Compression causes there to be space between the child and the straps, which is dangerous in an accident because it can eject a child from the seat if there is an accident.
jsmom815 2 months ago
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Great video! My son was born in Fairbanks, Alaska in JANUARY and we currently live in New York's North Country (WAY upstate!). We've dealt with some very low temps (-50 F wasn't that uncommon in AK) and have still always managed to keep our kiddo warm AND safe! I warm the car up (if I remember) and my son goes in the car WITHOUT a winter coat. He usually wears a thin fleece or sweater. Then we put the coat on backwards over the straps. Not rocket science, only a little extra effort.
strangesttrip 2 months ago
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strangesttrip 2 months ago
uhmm if u use a regular seat belt for a six year which he should be in a booster seat or in a car seat with the harness removed and using a seat belt
xopaula1993xo 2 months ago
@xopaula1993xo Actually, many six year olds are still in 5-point harnesses due to lack of maturity to sit properly in a booster seat. Also, my son, there in the video, didn't hit forty pounds until he was almost seven, which has it's own safety ramifications.
Lastly, a "car seat with the harness removed" can ONLY be used as a booster seat if it's DESIGNED to be used that way. NEVER do that with a seat not intended to turn into a booster.
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@xopaula1993xo - Many car seats do allow children to be in a 5-point harness up to 80lbs (Radian for example). An average 6 year old weighs approximately 45 pounds. Therefore, most 6 year olds (and beyond) could still be in a 5 point harness. It is shown to be safer for children to remain in a 5 point harness to the limit of their seat. So, not all 6 year olds are in a regular seat belt in a booster.
jsmom815 2 months ago
@xopaula1993xo It is not mandatory for a child to move up to a booster. Laws only give minimum requirements. Look at the rearfacing law, for example- the law says that it is exceptable for child to rear face up to age 1 in and 20 lbs, but going 1 extra year, up until age 2 is 5 times safer. The recommendation for a booster seat is 4 years old AND 40 lbs, but in a booster seat, children also have to sit still- can't lean over to tease a sibling, or pick up a toy, etc.
boneheaders 2 weeks ago
@boneheaders u r messed up. go get a therapist.
xopaula1993xo 2 weeks ago
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You people with all the "theories" about why coats and car seats are safe are just ignorant. In the video, it shows that her son could easily come out of the car seat in an accident when the straps are as loose as they would be when the coat is compressed. How in the world can you say that the coat creates more of a cushion for the child or would act as an air bag when there is a strong likelihood of the child being thrown completely out of the seat in an accident. Again, plain ignorance...
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Or you know, you can tighten the straps when the baby isn't wearing a coat and then put the coat on without loosening the straps.. Yes, its' a tight fit and it's hard to get the kid buckled in, but it's safe AND warm.
infernalsummer 2 months ago
An air bag compresses. During an accident your car goes from lets say 30 to 0 in .6 seconds resulting in a very high impact force. The air bag increases the impact time (meaning it now takes, lets say, 2.6 seconds for your body to go from 30 to zero) as it COMPRESSES. Force = mass * change in velocity/time. Mass and change in Velocity are constant but as time increases impact force decreases. One might consider then that a coat COMPRESSES like an airbag so their little bodies receive less force.
betsylucky5 2 months ago
@betsylucky5 Nice theory, but no car seat company who has actually done testing agrees with you.
RanaAurora 2 months ago 2
@betsylucky5 the coat has not been crash tested with the car seat.
boneheaders 2 weeks ago
@boneheaders How do you know? Were you there with the companies when they crash tested their seats? The point is, you don't know which scenarios were used with every company when they crash tested their seats. It is possible though, that the companies that state in their user manual "do not use bulky clothing with the car seat" have a reason for saying this.
leachz 6 days ago
I think this is an awesome video!
TheOTownWoman 2 months ago
Thank you for this! I agree 100%! The most my kids wear in their seats is 2 layers. We purchase a fleece jacket each year for each kid. Winter coats stay in car until we get to where we need them. This year my kids are old enough that they take their fleece blankets with them to the car. And, if I park in the garage the fleece blankets are warm enough to throw over them without bringing them in. My kids wait for me to tuck them in their seats with the blanket when they get in the car!
jencha08 2 months ago
soooo don't put a coat on your child and let them be cold and potentially get sick? Or put it on them backwards? Are you serious?
SamanthaNicoleTWrite 2 months ago
@SamanthaNicoleTWrite WHAT? of course not. thats what blankets are for!!!! pack athe coat for when they are outside not inthe car seat and then cover them up with blankets in the car seat after they are strapped in. This isnt rocket science!!! putting them in with a big coat on is ignorant and unsafe. c'mon peopple.
dingledo23 2 months ago
@dingledo23 well I don't have kids but what do you do then? Put the coat on them in the house and bring them to the car, take it off and strap them in? Obviously it's not that safe, but you're not saying much other than the coat is unsafe.
SamanthaNicoleTWrite 2 months ago
Might be an interesting idea to have a type of jacket the child can wear that is designed to go along with the car-seat's 5-point harness and provide proper padding to adsorb and disperse the energy from a crash even more so than just the harness alone. Might be hot in the summer but in the winter I think such a thing could work. A regular jacket is not made for such impacts but one with energy absorbing foam and such could be? Just a thought?
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@NutMegs76 I agree in Europe they don't have chest clips. Which Is safer because you don't risk the chance of it breaking, puncture to the child, or blockng air ways in an accident.If you tighten the straps properly its fine. In Europe, infant seats have "Isofix bases" with light indicators, a bar that goes to the floor,& isofix into the seat. Also, if you install their infant seats without the base the routing goes not just in the front, but around the seat to prevent it from tipping up.
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kardancer1 2 months ago
Thank you so much for this video. I hope you don't mind that I shared it on my blog. Car seat safety is so important to me.
rougeurbleu 2 months ago
I totally get what you are saying in this video,when confronted by a State Trooper when recieving a car seat we were told NEVER to use a coat with a car seat.
dmpeters16 3 months ago
It didn't seem like she actually tightened the straps very well when the coat was on. I think a video showing someone using some real muscle to tighten would be more effective.
CObikeClan 3 months ago
@CObikeClan "Real muscle?" You're not trying to HURT your child. I demonstrated that the straps were as tight as they need to be, passing the Pinch Test AND the Britax seat's "Click Safe" feature also clicked, which you can hear. Any tighter and you HURT the child.
RanaAurora 3 months ago 2
@RanaAurora Britax seat's "Click Safe" feature cannot be trusted. I have one as well and I have to get several clicks to make sure it's actually tight. I love Britax car seats but CS is not to be trusted. You still have to do all the tightness checks.
shk1975 2 months ago
@shk1975 Absolutely! It was just one more example I was using to show that it was getting pulled tight. The Pinch Test is the reliable test. :)
That said, the new gen CS is better than the original, but yes, still go by other methods!
RanaAurora 2 months ago
Computerized and only recognise the owners finger print to unlock the doors and to turn the car on or off it would also monitor the speed limit of your car and the cars next to you so if you as the parent think another car is posubly putting your children or loved ones in danger do to highspeed or irotic driving you can use a camera on the mounted in the outer shell of the car to take a picture of the licens plate and it would amidietly be sent to the nearest police HQ or cruiser
Kiyoko504 3 months ago
what if every seat in the car had a five point harness installed and could be ajusted from the youngest of age to adult and just like a seat on a train you could ajust it so an infant could be in the refacing position the actual seats them selfs would be seporate and would be maid of memory phome to provent damage from the lightest of accidents the entire outer shell and inner shell of the car would be renforced like a military Hum V everything would be computerized no keys everything would be
Kiyoko504 3 months ago
along with what I just posted not many people would fallow it unless it were a manditory compliance but what if there were to be a type of vehicale desighned to keep children and adults safe if a five point harness saves a childs life almost 99 % of the time if they are strapped in corectly who is to say it wont protect an adult yes there is "I am going to drive like a idiot since I am well protected to facter in" but thats were a reserection of common sence comes in
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Kiyoko504 3 months ago
Thank you for demonstrating this to help educate others, great job!
PumkinPeanut 3 months ago
Hey, great video! New parents here, living in Canada and before we venture out in -20C we had to go over this once more, it really helps to see it in video form, thanks!
BattleCatX 3 months ago
I would love for the parents who aren't worried about the temp to spend a winter in Alaska where we get as cold as 60 BELOW 0 idiots!
jenn21711 3 months ago
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It is your choice to choose between hypothermia and car seat safety. Of course the #1 killer of children in the US are car accidents. I would seriously consider into heating up the car before leaving. I am not trying to be sarcastic. It is your choice.
boneheaders 2 months ago
@jenn21711 ever heard of blankets? they cover up just as well over the straps. then put the coat on when they are out of the seat. people aren't idiots, thinking coats are the only means of being warm are idiotic. c'mon people.
dingledo23 2 months ago
Boy, you should remove that sleeper. Its called compression, so it may seem safe, but unless hes naked, hes simply not. Sound logical? Didnt think so. The winter jacket you "compressed" is actually adding the the amount of straping in 3 areas, his back, his chest and his shoulders. If you fold his jacket layering three times and compress it you will still have what.. a quarter of an inch? That rooms is the play you see when hes undressed, there is simply less of him occupying the space.
LisaLoGullo 3 months ago
@LisaLoGullo Wow. Well then all these car manufacturers and safety organizations must be stupid if it's that simple! Either that, or, you're wrong. Huh.
RanaAurora 3 months ago
@BMW3toy3 ... kindly provide a citation -- a link. Just one. Thanks.
n6151h 3 months ago
To reiterate: compressed coat does NOT equal zero coat. The material still has substance, still contributes as a restraining factor. Pulling the straps tight accounts for most of the same "compression". Of the three or four videos like this that I've seen, not ONE -- not a single one -- offers hard numbers or usable reference to a site that would have such information. They are 100% hype with 0% information.
n6151h 3 months ago
@n6151h Really? You must not look very hard. Look up the manual for almost every harnessed car seat out there. It's written IN THE MANUAL not to wear coats. Go on the Facebook page of the manufacturers and ask. They all will tell you the same thing.
RanaAurora 3 months ago
@BMW3toy3 A car seat cannot be used the same way for a newborn as for a toddler. EVERY car seat I've every used or looked at stated very clearly, in the manual, that car seats should be installed facing rearward for newborns, precisely because their muscle and skeletal frames are not sufficiently developed to withstand even a sudden braking, let alone an impact. Your comment is completely off-point.
n6151h 3 months ago
I get really really tired of all these "car seat techs" that came out in the last 5 years that have all these rules about carseats. The jacket one is a huge pet peeve of mine. Why?
Put your child in the carseat EXACTLY like how you have shown/no jacket. Car gets hit by a side impact and because the seat was not checked to make sure that it was properly installed, the seat fails for whatever reason and the child dies. Kids die more often in seats that are not properly installed than in jackets.
acbrignall 3 months ago
@acbrignall Your point is? A perfectly installed car seat also means nothing if the child is buckled in. The most common mistakes: a very loose harness and low chest clip. Even with PERFECT installation, THAT mistake can cost your child their life. Yes, people need to learn how to install their seats. They also need to learn how to use them. You don't pick and choose -- you follow the WHOLE manual.
RanaAurora 3 months ago
@RanaAurora My point is that there are a lot more people that do not use carseat correctly, or even not at all. The efforts of the carseat techs would be better suited to educate those people rather than arguing with moms on what is in the manuals. If parents cared, (which they do because everyone reads the manual right?) then they would already know this stuff. BTW - I contacted Sunshine Kids the makers of the radian and they said that jackets were ok, and you dont even need the chest clip.
acbrignall 3 months ago
thanks for this video
peaceebird 4 months ago
You don't get sick from the cold! You get sick from bacteria or viruses. Your immune system can be lowered in the cold, but a coat isn't going to stop your head or some part of your body getting cold so your immune system could get lowered that way too. IF you have proper nutrition, take your vitamins as well as extra Vit C, you will be fine for 5 minutes in the cold while waiting for a car to warm up. Blankets work JUST as well as a coat.
lights106 4 months ago 3
@lights106 So true. :) Blankets are so overlooked in this discussion! It's wise to have warm blankets in your car anyway in case you break down. Also, when your car heats up, a child in their coat will be way too warm, but a child with a blanket can adjust it for comfort.
RanaAurora 3 months ago
@RanaAurora yay! someone with common sense. you think these people have never left their home to know of the invention of blankets!!!
dingledo23 2 months ago
I understand what ur trying to say but for years upon years parents have been putting kids in caraseats in winter coats and we all are fine I'd be much more concerned about my son getting sick then what ur talking about happening in this video
MrPhilipsmommy 4 months ago
@MrPhilipsmommy All the kids in carseats in winter coats that are "fine" - how many car accidents have they been in?
icequeen144 3 months ago
@icequeen144 You gotta love that. I've heard "My kid was forward facing at 8 months and he's FINE." How many car accidents? Generally, it's zero, or a tiny dent on a bumper in a parking lot.
RanaAurora 3 months ago
@MrPhilipsmommy Your son will not get sick from using a blanket instead of his coat in his seat. There has to be a virus he's exposed to, not just a temperature, to fall ill.
Also, yes, for many years parents have been doing it, and we've seen scary incidents where that has been the reason a child died. Fortunately, as technology improves, and as real-life scenarios happen, we learn from them so we can prevent tragedy from repeating.
RanaAurora 3 months ago 8
@MrPhilipsmommy and its common sence to readjust the harness from winter use from waring a coat to wareing simple spring time or even summer time cloths
Kiyoko504 3 months ago
It's amazing how any of us ever survived considering everything that used to be done can now kill babies!
MrPhilipsmommy 4 months ago
Have you consulted a professional or is this just something you came up with? I mean I see your point but I would believe it more if there was a car seat professional backing up ur claims
MrMarbles6 4 months ago
@MrMarbles6 Feel free to consult any car seat manufacturer! Also, I urge to you Google the PDFs of car seat manuals. Almost every single one out there tells you "Do not wear bulky clothing or coats in the car seat" and urges you to remove it before harnessing the child in. :)
RanaAurora 4 months ago
This is excellent! Thank you! I want to share this with everyone I know.
PolythenePam909 4 months ago
This is BS. No credible study or evidence to support this claim. In fact, having the kid in their winter coat will probably give them more protection: the coat will NOT compress instantly, but will dissipate the energy of an impact much the same as an airbag, and it will protect them from any broken glass or other flying debris resulting from the impact.
n6151h 4 months ago
@n6151h I have seen a safety video a while ago (at least a year ago) it was showing newborn babies even slightly loose can have severe whiplash and neck injuries. The demonstration was with a doll showed loose and snug lurching the infant seat forward and it was amazing the difference in a little snugness how much less safe they can be. Depending on the coat you may be right but without proper testing how do you know for sure that YOUR coat would be safe when most are absolutly not?
BMW3toy3 3 months ago
@n6151h You want to confirm that theory, my sister was lucky her airbag didn't go off! It would have impailed her in the head none the less killing her. Word of mouth from someone that worked at GM. The point she is trying to make is that you can never be to safe, so why not take the extra precautions! This was just to inform people what they didn't no sitting here aruging wasting online space is of utmost rediculous and the most ignorance I have seen portrayed today, Thanks!
sk20098 3 weeks ago
I absolutely love this. Thanks for sharing. I shared this on my FB. Now that the weather is getting cooler out, I'm so afraid for some of my friends and family who aren't as car savvy as the rest of us. I'd hate, hate, hate to see something happen to them. :(
TheSnorth86 5 months ago
This is good practical advice in some cases, However I would love to see these parents live in northern Canada when its -55 with a 15 degree strip there child down to a light shirt. I work EMS and the solution that I have first hand knowledge of is to leave the child in the jacket, unzip it in the car and place the straps against the chest. Then when tightening tighten past your normal standard of tight
removing the room for compression.
gagez01 5 months ago
This is good practical advice in some cases, However I would love to see these parents live in northern Canada when its -55 with a 15 degree strip there child down to a light shirt. I work EMS and the solution that I have first hand knowledge of is to leave the child in the jacket, unzip it in the car and place the straps against the chest. Then when tightening tighten past your normal standard of tight removing the room for compression.
gagez01 5 months ago
thanks for sharing this great video. we have fantastic car seats in Germany, too. But the seats with 5-point-harness can only be used until the age of 3 or 3 1/2. Then the seats are just to small.
We also don't have chest clips. I just ordered one from the US for my youngest (16 month)
We also don't have rear facing seats for 1-4 year olds.
NoobsyPoopsy 1 year ago
I love the seat. What seat is it?
CataclysmicStar 1 year ago
@CataclysmicStar It's the Britax Advocate 70 CS. :) Their new convertible line made some awesome changes!
RanaAurora 1 year ago
@RanaAurora Awesome, it looks great! We've got our three-year-old (almost four, sniffle) in a Graco Nautilus and I love it, and was considering getting another for our 18-month-old, but a seat like this would let him ERF for another 5lbs. It's a tough call to make, especially since for half the price the Nautilus harnesses up to 65lbs (only 5lbs short of the Advocate) and then boosters up to 100lbs. It's so tough sometimes to make carseat decisions when price is a factor!
CataclysmicStar 1 year ago
@CataclysmicStar Have you looked at a Sunshine Kids Radian XT? You'd get another 10 pounds rear-facing, and it would probably last forward-facing for three or four more years, easily.
RanaAurora 1 year ago
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Obviously you must not live in a cold climate where the temperatures drop to -40C! If you were in a crash in cold temperatures like that, your child would die quickly of hypothermia! We not only wear winter jackets, we also wear snow pants on the kids here with those frigid temperatures.
FYI...we WERE in an accident when our child was wearing a WINTER coat at a high speed of 85km/h and our child was not injured.
LoriCummings 1 year ago
@LoriCummings You can get a carseat poncho that keeps the child warm without interfering with the straps. It is much safer. They are easy and inexpensive to make. I'm glad your child was safe, but it was pure luck and I would take that chance with my child.
melyentzer 1 year ago 3
@LoriCummings Just because you got LUCKY does not make this a safe practice.
luvsviola 1 year ago 3
@LoriCummings I live in Upstate Ny and my 4 year old daughter uses a Snugglie for the car I also warm the car up befor we get in the car and then take both of my girls jackets off of them and my oldest puts on the snugglie and my youngest just uses 2 blankets till she is big enough for a snugglie( she is only 1 and still rear Facing) and you where luckey that your child wasnt hurt in the accident. I had a friend that had an acciednt and her child was hurt because of the jacket compressing.
jsrcamp 1 year ago
This is completely true and backed by research-based evidence. Check it out if you don't believe: aafp.org/afp/2002/0515/p2085.html
kan828 1 year ago 5
great video, i will be sharing on FB. also where did you get those awesome pajamas?
elisam34 1 year ago 2
@elisam34 Pretty sure those came from Target. :)
RanaAurora 1 year ago
@svenidol no, a car seat is to protect a child in a crash. if the harness is loose, the child will move out of position. whiplash on an adult isn't the same as whiplash on a baby.
also, crash forces are much stronger- you can't physically compress a jacket against your child (without hurting them) like a crash would.
WindyCityMama 1 year ago
I thought the purpose of the car seat was to prevent a child from becoming an airborne projectile in the event of an accident, not be a motion restricting restraint. However, if you are concerned, why not simply "compress" the jacket by tightening the straps?
svenidol 1 year ago
I posted the video to my FB. I hope if it can just reach one mom, who passes it on.. it could be saving lives. It's incredible how ignorant to car seat safety the world seems to be. the part in the video where you show just how loose the straps are, really chilled me to the bone. Thank you so much for creating this. I've passed it on. :)
CamoSamuri 1 year ago 3
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NutMegs76 1 year ago
It is stupid to spend $200 something dollars on a car seat so that your child can ride safely if you don't properly clasp them in. You are WRONG if you put them in their seat in a puffy winter jacket. Don't be ignorant with your child's life and do your research.
justxxlive 1 year ago 14
@justxxlive It's true! Whether your car seat is $50 or $250, if you use it improperly and don't follow directions, they'll all fail just the same.
RanaAurora 3 months ago 3
This is one of the best replies about car seat safety I've ever heard/read. It's simply ignorant to make "excuses" when it comes to your childs safety! Thank you for this comment!!!
jencha08 2 months ago
Absolutely wonderful video! You should have mentioned why is is bad besides the loose straps though. The reason behind it is that a child can come out of the car seat, and out of their jacket completely. A car crash going more than 40 mph cause a lot of force and anything can happen regardless of a 5-point harness.
Your child will not get sick because they don't have a jacket on IN THE CAR. You aren't outside in the cold air. Turn your heat on if you think your kid will get sick.
justxxlive 1 year ago
@justxxlive Thanks for the feedback! I should have included that, you're right. This video was made to go in conjunction with my post that is linked to in the long description, but I should have considered that it would circulate as a stand-alone as well.
RanaAurora 1 year ago
LOVE the video and the jammies too! :)
umothra 1 year ago 2
And if you keep the coat on then its fine, its common sense if you take the coat off its going to be loose, tighten it back up.
riverslakes07 1 year ago
@riverslakes07 You totally missed the bit about compression?
RanaAurora 1 year ago
@RanaAurora no I didn't , its a five point harness for a reason. Your kids not going to fall out.
riverslakes07 1 year ago
@riverslakes07 Yes, they still are. That was the point. When I take the coat off and the straps are loose, that shows how much your coat would actually compress. It's essentially as if the coat doesn't EXIST, because most winter coats are nothing but big pockets of air. Even if they don't fly all the way out (WHICH DOES HAPPEN) they could come partially out, which is incredibly dangerous as well. I added a link in the description just for you so you can read the many OTHER ways to keep kids warm
RanaAurora 1 year ago
he is a cutie thanks for the advice:)
dogansmom88 1 year ago
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So your going to let your kid get sick in and out of the car. Great stupid video.
riverslakes07 1 year ago
@riverslakes07 u dont get sick from the cold its a virus duh!
dogansmom88 1 year ago 2
@dogansmom88 not when your kid has no immune system. Yes your kid can get sick from a cold.
riverslakes07 1 year ago
Great video! Your kid is so cute and cooperative! =)
rayjay26 1 year ago 2
This is a FANTASTIC video! Very clear and concise - demonstrates the point very well. I'm bookmarking this to use when I get the *look* from friends and family who think I'm abusing my poor child by not buckling them in with a gigantic coat on.
1979sunshine 1 year ago 3
Hey, you are awesome. Thanks for that info! Typically, I will take off my son's coat because it's so bulky and I don't want the straps to be too tight pushing down an uncomfortable coat onto him. But also I had never heard of the pinch test before this video so it's helped me in more ways than one. Thank you!!!
ThePeRfectCriMex 1 year ago 3
@MrRonLafleur - The coat would compress, which would have the same result as being loosely harnessed.
favorablydisposed 1 year ago 8
This was a terrific job! Thanks. :)
07upsydaisy 1 year ago 3
Great job. This is one of the only videos on the subject that uses live footage for the demonstration, versus a series of still shots. And all in one take, which is impressive!
CarSeatPoncho 1 year ago 3
@CarSeatPoncho That was my goal! I'd looked for one to use and was disappointed that all of them were still-frame continuations. I thought this would get the point across in the most trustworthy and efficient manner. :)
RanaAurora 1 year ago
posted on fb! luka_89 from cafemom
melly2melon 1 year ago 4
Going on FaceBook right now!! Great vid I love it!(Nicholasmama608 from CM)
babyboomboom0029 1 year ago 6
Rana good Video.. BTW I had no idea how pretty you were lady! (JUFINOMA at CM lol)
jfmom 1 year ago 5