Ray Kurzweil: the Singularity is not a Religion

[Ramiromasters]

(2024) So is not going to be next year?? oh crap... ok time for life direction adjustment, not happen here, everything good ha ha.... (cry)

[VulcanFleet]

If Ray Kurzweil is too optimistic for your taste, there are transhumanists who are a lot more scientific and conservative with their estimates. Look up Eliezer Yudkowsky, Nick Bostrom, or Shane Legg.

[VulcanFleet]

Ray Kurzweil has made predictions about the future for 30 years or so. He's had some misses, but also some hits. For instance, he predicted the year the world chess champion would be a computer... and he was one year too conservative.

[TranscendentBen]

The interviewer says at 1:55 "this the first time someone has put a date on something in the Singularity and expected it to happen at a certain time." That's not true. Verner Vinge wrote in his seminal paper "The Coming Technological Singularity" in 1993: "... I believe that the creation of greater than human intelligence will occur during the next thirty years," putting it at 2023, quite close to Kurzweil's date of 2025 for a human-intelligence computer selling for $1,000.

[macgeek21]

this guy's whole thesis is based on the fact that he wants to live forever and bring his father back to life.

[JesusHatesChristians]

@macgeek21 It's not what his thesis is based on, it's his motivation. So what? His motivation does not invalidate his thesis.

[squamish4244]

@macgeek21 Yeah, he's actually a pretty messed up dude. I don't want him trying to make my future for me. If he ever got some sort of political power I'd be worried.

[macgeek21]

this guy is high on his own crack. every single REAL scientist that is interviewed in the transcendent man says this guy is full of it. why is this weirdo given so much lead time?

[JesusHatesChristians]

@macgeek21 Because he's been right more than wrong. And you can say he's high on crack, but he has accomplished more than you ever will. What have you done lately to help your fellow human beings?

[mkmohr]

@17R3W Hitchens would of course not call it a religion because it's based on fact and not superstition. Moore's law is the base of Ray predictions. The eternal life Ray talks of is no different from the fact that you can survive many diseases today because of science. He just extends the trend.

How do you know you have a soul? What facts do you base that presumption on?

[17R3W]

@mkmohr

Hitchens has a "special" way of defining religion. And I think this matches.

I'm not saying I agree with Hitchens, I'm just saying it fits his definition.

I don't know if we have a soul or not, but it's a very interesting question. One Ray has discussed himself.

[mkmohr]

@mkmohr I still think there is a big difference between a belief and a prediction. Ray is making predictions about the near future technology but not promising anything.

[caveatemp]

It isn't a religion but it deals with the most fundamental issue that religion deals with, the defeat of death. Christianity says that it is Christ who defeated death, not man. This defeat of death that Ray speaks of is actually hell, eternal dehumanization. In the end, the idea of the tech. singularity is as big a faith assumption as resurrection. We are coming to the point when science and religion will no longer be separated. They will merge and then part ways forever. Big choice.

[17R3W]

I think Christopher Hitchens would call it a religion, He said essentially a religion is a belief tied to a promise of eternal life (see that here /watch?v=08XgoU53WHI).

That being said, the singularity doesn't prove or disprove a God. The fact that I could live forever in a computer, doesn't address what will happen to my soul when I die.

[silversobe]

Technology can provide all necessities such as food, water, shelter, and well being to everyone on earth. The only problem is us deciding if we want to do it.

[Thimblefish]

@silversobe Zeitgeist movement/Venus project?

[caveatemp]

@silversobe That's so naive. It's like Star Trek thinking that it is only scarcity, artificial or otherwise, that creates problems. The fact is the world is a hellish place now because of man's greed and thirst for ultimate power. The world will end with the last two transhumanists trying to kill each other to attain the ultimate power.

[VulcanFleet]

@caveatemp Or with us realizing that power corrupts and modifying our brains so that it doesn't.

[squamish4244]

@VulcanFleet We can already do that! Mind training has been shown to produce enormous changes in brain function. And it's a well-established path with plenty of safeguards. But it's not flashy or sexy, so let's start f-ing with our brains surgically instead, especially whatever has to do with power and control. What could possibly go wrong?

[ahor65]

@silent9173

the etymological origin of religion is not clear. One of the thories is that it comes from latin "religare", and it would refer to the "re-linking" of humans a gods through the cult or practice of religion.

[sachamm]

Good questions.

[thecalabiyaumanifold]

@silent9173 ok. a belief in what??? a doctrine about what???

[thecalabiyaumanifold]

I dont know why he keeps asking him about if singularity is a scientific form of religion. Wheres the diety? is it ray kurweil? is he the antichrist? or is it richard dawkings? im confused why this is up. idiot. Ray kurzweil, i feel bad he had to entertain this bozos ignorance.

[FractalBolt]

Is the guy asking the question a shaved Max Moore? Looks like him...

[trakkaton]

Ray adressed none of the questions.

[seekfears]

google Doe's Account

[DefenceSpeech]

In fact the first applications of emerging technologies will be for military purposes, because this is where the majority of funding comes from. Anyway keep on dreaming techno twits, you're all heading into a nightmare beyond your wildest imagination.

[DefenceSpeech]

Science becomes more like religion in everyday. The masses are even being fed predictions that they will be given the gift of immortality in their lifetimes. It's obvious why this is becoming a trend, because people will be much more willing to part with their money to see to it that this does happen. All of these scientists are desperate for funding, and this is a clever scheme to get precisely that. If these technologies emerge you can bet that the peasants won't be coming anywhere near it.

[theBeorn]

@DefenceSpeech at first. then of course, it will be available to everyone. everything else would be conspiracy theory kinda thing. just like every piece of technological equipment has come to the masses (Radio, TV, the Web, etc.), this kind of technology will be for everyone too, not at first but probably in a much faster way than we think (how long did it take for the web to reach EVERYONE? About than 15 years), the governments and individuals can't keep these things for themselves anymore)

[spacecowboy95]

@DefenceSpeech Science has nothing to do with religion, science is based on evidence and reason and religion on faith. Science will win simply because it works. At some point in the future I can imagine us being able to extend our lives indefinately, if you dont want it, then dont have it.

I fail to see what your criticism is, it just sounds like you are bitter about something.

[DefenceSpeech]

@spacecowboy95 Know anything about this new wonder drug resveratrol? These scientists are making wild predictions and passing around the collections plate to see how much you are willing to part with to fund their research. I'm not saying science is religion, but certain aspects, and especially with this gift of immortality being promised by people like Aubrey de Grey, Kuzweil, and others. Familiarize yourself with the pharmaceutical industries, to begin to understand the deception going on.

[spacecowboy95]

@DefenceSpeech Resveratrol is ancient, it is not a cure for ageing and will not be a part of the solution in the future. Just because some people sell it as a supplement does not mean the scientific community is engaged in some massive money filtering scheme. And just because science deliver's the goods that religion has promised people for millenia, does not mean they are comparable. If anything it just shows how different they are. Science works. What is your criticism exactly?

[DefenceSpeech]

@spacecowboy95 Look at how this drug came onto the market. I'm a pharmacology major, and trust me, if you knew the amount of poison that the FDA allows from these companies to enter the market on based on bogus science to make money, you would not make these remarks that you just have. Anyway, this is just one component of much greater underlying problems, and this is not the place where any length of serious discussion can take place. What I would suggest is to use google, or send me a pm.

[DefenceSpeech]

@spacecowboy95 And yes, I do not disagree with you. I think that human beings will conquer aging at some point, and reverse engineer the brain, but you have to take into consideration all of the implications that come along with this. It's not just, "oh dude that sounds cool, like killerz, I live 4ever,lololol." There is enormous debate on and conflict taking place on both sides of these emerging technologies.

[smokeyparkin]

God is inside you. You are your god. You determine your life. Take hold of your god and do something great for the world and humanity. Stop looking up, he is within.

[libertarianjury]

If I have a choice, I choose life and intelligence. The choice is so obvious, yet for much of the day, I am dawdling around at absurdly low productivity and low processing speeds. Hopefully, the machines won't just leave us to graze and die.

Look at the brutality from the governments though. Basically, it's an extension of playground bullying. If I were them, I would certainly abandon the undeserving of humanity. Would you give a chimp a gun and teach it how to pull the trigger?

[PsychoJosh]

By "undeserving of humanity" I really hope you mean the dictators, tyrants and killers and not just something stupid like "black people".

[dredlew]

everyone posting on this. no need for words.

the only thing this guy really talks about is the ability to process information. for example ask some one a question 20 years ago and the same question today who wouldl get the infromation and answer correct first.

prob the person with the best technology.

[pipetube21]

Rapture will happen when internet speed will go at 100 gbps - 2020

[49128]

MORE  TEA VICAR ?

[tater721]

Yea, but you see if you read his book The Singularity Is Near, he does back up all his predictions with accurate math and info. and for the people that disagree with the time these events will be happening, most of his predictions are of the world after we have built a computer as smart or smarter than humans, which means the computers could come up with breakthrough ideas incredibly faster than humans can, which would more than likely speed up the time period of his predictions coming true...

[beeshlpop]

"the concept of religion emerged in pre-scientific time"

a 10yr old kid can google 'mathematics': a science that has been understood well for 1000's of years. ancient egypt incorporated astrophysics and advanced mathematics.

why not say, "here's a statistical approach to describing a large scale perceptual shift in technical terms, that says, in the near future stupid will not exists, nor will government, money or death; just like any religion... wanna join?"

great book... now step it up

[PinkandDeadly]

Scientific concepts were in place in these eras, but the scientific method wasn't really pioneered until Gallileo. He is known as the father of science for a reason.

He was the first to unite invention, theory and experimentation in what is recognizable as the scientific method.

[kurzweilfreak]

By trying to include transhumanism, science, and even "human creativity" (as one commenter did) as religion, you dilute and/or redefine the definition of the word "religion" as to be completely useless. None of these are religions.

[avantibarbari]

When you hear the transhumanists constantly talking about becoming gods, it becomes pretty clear that it IS a religion.

[PreacherCaleb]

What do you mean by "becoming gods"? Surely, if a man today would show up 2000 years ago, with an automatic weapon, a laptop, some remotely detonated C4, walkie talkies and such, in a car (or airplane), it wouldn't be hard for him to pass for a god. All he's talking about is augmentation of human capabilities to an extreme degree. I say he's right, you say he's wrong. Instead of futile arguments, let's just wait 40 years and see :)

[avantibarbari]

I say "becoming gods" because that's what the transhumanists say. They claim that everything offered by religion will be fulfilled by this "singularity." Of course they claim that this all is not religious at all, but purely scientific- just like Marx called his way of thinking "scientific socialism".

[PreacherCaleb]

Dude, there's transhumanists and transhumanists. There are the ones that make extrapolations and calculate and try to go about this as scientifically as possible, and there's the nutcases (of which there is no shortage in any field). There is no universally agreed-upon transhumanist view. I consider myself a transhumanist, yet i wouldn't say that the Singularity will fulfill spiritual needs. It will however fulfill most material needs so man will be free to focus on his intellect and spirit.

[caveatemp]

Good point. I wonder if a preacher who came along today healing the sick, raising the dead, and then dying a pitiful death on a cross would pass for god?

[retrocareermelted]

poor ray, wasting his time

[SamHilland]

"wasting his time" What do you mean? He's been very accurate so far. I'm reading "The Singularity is Near" right now, and he backs up all his claims with data. I think there are precious few people like Ray who ask What will the world will look like?

[retrocareermelted]

you missed my point, I was just saying that the guy interviewing ray is asking really thoughtless question, worth answering personally not wasting rays time with bullshit. I guess seeing that I'm an athiest Im more inclined to lose my patience on the matter

[SamHilland]

Sorry, I wasn't sure where you were going. Seeing that I'm also an athiest, I get your point now :)

How do these hosts get these jobs? The guy is just air.

[dalejrfan800]

Who gives a shit if you're an Atheist?

[SAAMIAM99]

If I wanted shit out of you I'd squeeze your head.

[dalejrfan800]

Ah man, you hurt my feelings... That's actually very Ironic, because I was born with my Anus on my head. You fucking Nitwit.

[johnnybermo]

If you look in detail at his predictions for, say 2009, you'll see he has not been that accurate. You'll notice he has a tendency to underestimate the time for foreseeable developments to come to pass.

[prajnasword]

OK, it's not a religion yet, but "singularitism" has characteristics of a religion.

Not all religions have arisen out of the prescientific age, as Kurzweil suggests. Scientology and Raelianism are examples of new religions that could replace the coaxial age cults.

As science and technology gets weirder and weirder (to minds unaccustomed to change), some people will grab hold of the familiar ancient faiths, while others, like Kurzweil and his followers, will look to a brave new world.

[Singularity2010]

The singularity is an environment where human life cannot exist. That is why Kurzweil is a disciple for kafkaesque metamorphosis of human life: the acceleration of the ensuing debate preempts any effective human objection. He is wallowing in his own greed. Singularity in the Kurzweil industry is a cash cow now. The future? Handle it when it comes. He wants to make money now. He does not care about he future, because he knows he has no clue what is going to happen, and he thinks it is inevitable.

[Singularity2010]

I do not blame Kurzweil. He knows not what he is doing. The problem is his logic. Kurzweil logic actually claims we must expand the meaning of "human" to include the future world of super intelligence where there are no humans. It exposes his singularity transhumanism as a spiritual crusade for the open-ended evolution of artificial intelligence.

[Singularity2010]

Kurzweil's logical sentences, like all logical sentences, are infinitely incomplete. His certitude makes him a liar for what happens to be the most powerful dynamic force in the human universe. Technology and AI.

[Faldegast]

Dont try to be smart when your not. It looks bad. Did you have some kind of point?

[Singularity2010]

I am not interested in looking smart or looking good. I am making a point.

[Faldegast]

You may have a point, but its not in what you write above. You are not expressing yourself in a way that whoever reads that can understand.

[Singularity2010]

The point in what I write above is very clear to me. Maybe you have not considered that words have very definite meaning, but that both the emotional concepts underlying them, and the world again underlying emotional concepts are wide open spaces where words have indefinable consequences. This means that Kurzweil with his logic does not have a clue what he is talking about. The brighter the ideological realist, the more delusional his speech. Super intelligence can only lead to super idiocy.

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

Life is death. Death is life.

[btp12333]

too bad for Mr. Kurzweil that only the Great one's who believe can change the world. TechnOlogy will create enlightenment and turn 40,000 to one way before technology maDe robots that controlled us :)

[jamesstephenbrown]

that whole statement made no sense.

[Kristophirst]

Go Ray!

[c1sumus1c]

apples and oranges

[Singularity2010]

"This sounds terrific, right up until you give it a moment's thought. You then realize that the presence of a creative deity in the universe is clearly a scientific hypothesis. Indeed, it is hard to imagine a more momentous hypothesis in all of science." Richard Dawkins. ... obviously science and "human creativity" are a religion, and Kurzweil's "Singularity" is its Holy Grail. Kurzweil is the epitomy of the human embodiment of soft artificial intelligence in feverish anticipation of general AI.

[Kristophirst]

What?

[jamesstephenbrown]

Apparently opponents of kurzweil aren't able to form logical sentences. All the better for Kurzweil I guess.

[PreacherCaleb]

Let's put it like this : the Singularity promises to end aging and disease => very low (mainly accidental/homicidal) death rate. In this case, most people will probably leave their churches in droves. Religion's response will either be anti-technological and neo-luddite (check wikipedia), or it will dilute and nuance its core tenets, embracing technology in order to survive, if only in a different form. Basically, I believe the struggle between religion and technology will dominate this century.

[atheelogos]

I believe the struggle between religion and technology will dominate this century"

Well maybe the first half but i dont think it would dominate the whole century

[PreacherCaleb]

Well, yes, the first half, because after that the Singularity will be here. The most that the Jesus/Muhammad freaks can do is delay the inevitable; history has proven time and time again that if there's one thing that's unstoppable, that's progress.

[avantibarbari]

Here's another one who can join Karl Marx in the "My Vision of the Future is Inevitable!" club.

[HENN3H]

Im not marxist in any way. But.. If you have read Karl Marx "Das Kapital" you have to admitt it's true. and Btw, we have a long future ahead of us so karl marx utopia could theoretically still happen :P

[ariesvids]

Why do you have to admit Marxism is true?

How does ownership of means of production apply to the present hierarchy of labor, e.g. the creative class, which are often self-employed?

How will it apply to an age of robotics, where the working class would consist of non-humans?

[PreacherCaleb]

@vogtwo - you're right when you say that religion needs death to survive. But if we solve the problem of natural death, religion will either become fundamentalist and luddite (and ultimately lose, you can't stop technology), or become very watered down to the point of no longer being a threat to intelligent discourse.

[passani1]

Quote, "To call it a religion is to say that its pre-scientific or unscientific..."

For those of you wondering if religion, or more importantly faith, is scientifically verifiable, I encourage you to read, "A Case the Creator" by Lee Strobel. An investigative reporter and atheist who researched this in depth. ISBN-10: 0310241448

[reificate]

For those of you wondering if religion, or more importantly faith, is scientifically verifiable or defensible, I'll tell you. It's not.

[MICHAELMEMISBACL]

Science is actually a significant part of real religion; type "eternal productions - 101 scientific facts and foreknowledge" using ask(dot)com, and you will see a numbered list; look at #52!

[ipv4]

Here , here. You are talking to the choire. I could not agree with you anymore. I'm a big fan of Richard Dawkins.

[ipv4]

The questonaire is not the brightest bulb in the bunch is he.

What does religion have to do with scientific predictions based on evidence and studies??? Nothing.

[Kitscoma]

Kurzweil has the same mannerisms as Heath Ledger's Joker. Which makes him even cooler now.

[ewhssucks]

He also wryly pointed out "they say that the funding for those programs were put into efforts needed here on Earth, anyone care to show me where all those rescources wen't?".

[devilcocc]

A better question is whether or not the Singularity has a 'spiritual' aspect.. as it allows human beings to more deeply understand the universe

[advancedatheist]

I was born about 11 years after Kurzweil, so he must remember like me what "futurists" in the 1960's and 1970's predicted for life in that far-future year 2009 when we would supposedly have space colonies and a moon base by now. In the real world, progress in manned space travel stopped 30 years ago.

[gucker07]

Those predictions were wild ass guesses. Kurzweil predictions are based on observations of actual trends and developments and his law of accelerating returns. And progress in spaceflight is continuing (finally) with private companies like SpaceX, Bigelow Aerospace, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin etc. Use the Google...

[advancedatheist]

I would call them "wild ass projects that never got off the ground," despite the efforts of an organized space colonization group in the late 1970's called the L-5 Society. A lot of technological progress happens, or doesn't happen, for contingent political and economic reasons; Richard Nixon killed the Apollo program and stopped progress in manned space travel by political fiat even though aerospace engineers had more advanced tech under development like nuclear rockets.

[gucker07]

That's true.

[ewhssucks]

And if we had continued funding the space program and pushing the bounds of engininging those outcomes may well have happened.

One of the most scientifically conservitive proffesers I ever heard once joked about how much of the world of 2001 a space oddysey could have been had by 1991 if we hadn't shamfully abandoned the Apollo program.

[eyhexs]

but we had to beat the communists to the moon! we just had to! think of the implications! (its ironic you mention precisely 1991 as a date)

[smb12321]

The problem with dating (as some commentators have done) is that when the future arrives (cell phones, internet, solar, biotech, advanced AI) it is so much a part of our life we don't think of these things as "new" or "radical" after a while. All Kurzweil has ever said is that statistics demonstrate an increasingly faster pace of technological evolution and that at some point it will exceed human intelligence. Many posters put words in his mouth.

[havardmindx]

Thanks for posting! Harvard

[AngryDaven]

Bring on the Singularity.

Dr.Steel for World Emperor!

[gucker07]

BTW: Kurzweil predicted the Internet much sooner than most people. That alone should give him some credibility.

[advancedatheist]

Science fiction writer (and inventor) Murray Leinster described the Internet and a Singularity-like AI awakening in his 1946 short story "A Logic Named Joe."

[gucker07]

Teilhard de Chardin also described something like the Internet. He also wrote about the omega point endstate of the universe. He died in 1955.

[gucker07]

If the sigularity movement is a religion it it the most rational/plausible/justifiable religion or belief system there is.

[lonecretin]

Like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and the rest, It's still based on pseudoscientific horse hooey that doesn't exist by any rational means.

[gucker07]

Predictions on the coming singularity are based on solid science, established religions on the ramblings of 'prophets' and prescientific myths.

BTW: Great username, fits you perfectly.

[lonecretin]

"Predictions on the coming singularity are based on solid science"

Not Kurzweil's predictions. They are made up of around 5% science and 95% faith.

Haven't you read the article "Thinkism" by Kevin Kelly yet? He demolishes Kurzweil's faith-based nonsense in one fell swoop.

[lonecretin]

Solid science my ASS.

It's less than a month until Kurzweil's 2009. Where's my advanced speech recognition? My translating telephone? The cybernetic musicians to play along? Weren't ultra-thin laptops the size of a DVD cover supposed to have replaced the blackboard by now?

Kurzweil should just fecking QUIT while he still carries a shred of credibility.

[gucker07]

Kurzweil never made any of these predictions for 2009 as far as I know.

And about those mini-laptops: It's called an IPhone.

[Bzdi138]

every rk post you hate - why?

[advancedatheist]

>The cybernetic musicians to play along?

Does "Guitar Hero" count?

[gucker07]

Kevin Kelly is a smart guy. However, this piece is just so weak. It does absolutely nothing to shake my "faith" in the Singularity. There are gaping holes in the argumentation, see if you can find them.

[macleod1977]

"Thinkism" is a flawed concept. Science so far has been about gathering & interpreting data, but a 3rd field is growing rapidly: Computer Simulation & modeling. An Exa or Zetaflop computer will be able to simulate "all human knowledge & research" extremely quickly, simulate its own experiments, & derive new solutions.

the Singularity is based on Moores law, which is %100 FACT.

[w0r1dpeace]

religion, religare "to bind"

science, scire "know"

[zyllonD]

One may use rapture as an anology to convey the conceptual feel of cumulative technological advances and may not be specifically signifying the so-believed 'Rapture'.

Anyway you are right, it sounds weird to refer Singularity processes as the Rapture.

[zyllonD]

Religious beliefs, ideologies and predictions are fueled by hypothetical perceptions of groups as the best solution to solve incomprehensive phenomenon.

However, these perceptions aren't the solutions. But considering the contemporary avialable resources they're accepted as valid measures of resorting to conclusion.

Also, it's not about problem solving. It's about conciously processing available particles & spaces to propagate with infinite specific targets to achieve.

[0Baco1]

That made no sense whatsoever.

[jheylin]

Vern is older so he says 2030, Kurzweil isn't as old so he says 2045. Religious leaders did the same with their own age.

You even see the similarities through the fervent supporters not listening to others and automatically saying the Singularity will happen. It's like a religious movement. I'm not saying it is religion, just that it's similar, a science religion you might say.

And the fact that one of the speakers called it The Rapture is a little weird you have to admit.

[ariesvids]

I think what Ray Kurzweil has going for him that religious leaders you're trying to compare him to don't is a fairly good record of predictions in his books. Is he perfect at it? No. But he's probably the best in the world at it. Ignoring this track record in order to obsessively make a strained analogy is intellectually dishonest.

[jheylin]

It's not necessarily an analogy I'm trying to make. I just wonder if in absence of religion due to science, if the Singularity is a fill-in for religion. You have the promise of redemption, Rapture, whatever. People love to look forward to things, heaven, nirvana, whatever. Is the Singularity the new heaven?

[zyllonD]

A clear and simple answer, as it has been answered in this video, is that singularity is neither a religion nor a fill-in for any trends.

It is quite obvious for anyone to think or see that the scientific community is heading towards a common goal by accumulating specific goals in detail that transcend human capabilities and concepts, and then guess whether is this a new fascinating scenario/target being followed?

[zyllonD]

But clear logical reasoning will let you realize that singularity is the contemporary relative completion of evolution that we bring into effect and present ourselves with an access to infinite challenges with relatively superior life forms which is like a Heaven/ Utopia / Dream come true for any scientist.

Take a simple example of generations of computers implemented till now. We dont treat these technological developments as a utopia (apart from its linguistic ornamental usage),

[zyllonD]

although it may be so for a person who is unaware of the developments.

Therefore a collective effort is always made by the implementers to make everyone aware and educated with the new developments, which is a step towards complete implementation. That is why you see the buzz everywhere and everyone collectively working towards the advances. Probably continuous singularity events just await our individual and collective significance.

[ariesvids]

It's still a strained comparison, and a rather irrelevant one in my view. You go on to say "most religious leaders expect the rapture to happen in their lifetime..." Do most religious leaders have a good track record (~70%) of accurate predictions of such phenomenon as the impact of the Internet, cell phones, etc? Technologies have philosophical implications, that is undeniable. A world with a cure for cancer, heart replacement and an Alzheimer's cure would change life in profound ways.

[jheylin]

To sum it all up, I was curious if the Singularity was a fill-in for religion for scientists. I know a lot of scientists are religious, but the stereotypical scientist isn't. The Singularity isn't a religion in that it's based on trends and facts, but you have to admit it's viewed as a little weird by the scientific community at large.

Christian leaders always expect the rapture to happen in their lifetime and say so, I see this with the Singularity.

[zyllonD]

These processes are always being run by the components but the illusionary concepts make this scenario quite disorderly. The continuous event of singularity will ensure to make it a precise progression tying up all the loose ends which will also allow to understand illusions better.

So please realise the continuous concious development and not create any confusion regarding singularity as a trend because confusion won't lead you anywhere. It will only keep you playing in an illusionary loop.

[zyllonD]

Sometimes religion may indicate to the processes of the system i.e. trend generated by repeatative occurence which may be mis-interpreted as development.

But this trend doesn't make religion a process sustaining it as an illusion, which is a better perception of religion.

Religion is just one such trend.

Singularity is the process of actuating auto-developing intelligence in every component of the system to identify and conciously execute the actual processes of the system.

[zyllonD]

Singularity is a continuous process of concious natural development of system components. Here the system is the universe and components are everything that comprise it.

Religion is a hypothetical surrounding pattern that has led some sub-components (Humans relative to this topic) by occurence of events. This lead of religion is merely a trend in reality, which is why it is hypothetical.