@kittehprimo These tiny people are specs of dust on youtube... You should try looking at the high rollers. Dr William Lane Craig, John Lennox. Richard Deem. And other good University apologetic veterans!
@WSSIIWarlordII "These tiny people are specs of dust on youtube... You should try looking at the high rollers. Dr William Lane Craig...."
*SIGH*
Since when does a phD in philosophy grant one access to the supernatural?? And Presenting plausible arguments justifying a supernatural creation source DOES NOT equal proof for the "Christian" god! This use of intellectual intimidation is getting old. But if you must you must. I find it amusing how desperate apologists are getting.
1. The Scientific Naturalist claims complete faith in the empirical process, despite the limitations of the process, and the primitive current state of knowledge (lack of existing evidence).
2. Yet the S.N. decries religion due the use of faith in the process, despite the rational logic and forensic evidence that currently exists in support for that faith.
We know it is false because? If we are Naturalists only, then it is false by definition. We have intuited its falseness, even though we have no empirical justification. We need it to be false, or naturalism is false. We want it to be false. It is our will that there is no free will; a fine paradox.
“ The physical world provides no room for freedom of will. (yet) that concept is essential to our models of the mental realm. Too much of our psychology is based on it for us ever to give it up. We’re virtually forced to maintain that belief, even though we know it is false.”
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I'm a believer, and I think ole Nephy is a psycho! He makes some very ridiculous arguments, and doesn't use a shred of logic to back them up. This guy needs to try and find a balance between his ideals and realism. Your arguments were good. It's not going to change what I believe, but I appreciate someone who does their homework and provides a solid argument.
@tbonejmac09 Thanks a lot. You actually get the first ever *christian who doesnt automatically discount a contradictory argument as prima facie wrong* award (name subject to change). But, the one question I would ask you is: If you recognize that the arguments are sound, what compels you to still believe? If the rational side of your brain says "it's bogus", how can you possibly hold another opinion without being in danger of doublethink?
@kittehprimo It's just something, as a Christian, I have to feel in my heart. It's hard to rationally explain, because it ISN'T really rational. That's why it's called faith. I have faith that my God exists, and loves us for who we are, blemishes and all. I'm not saying that I don't have my doubts, there is a such thing as a "healthy level of doubt". I said you had a solid argument, and that you provided evidence to back it up. However, I did not mention anything about it being unbiased.
@tbonejmac09 I think it was unbiased. Please tell me where I may be biased so i can correct it.
I think you will find that the reason my arguments were so compelling to you was that they were largely UNbiased.
Im not trying to be antagonistic, but a claim of bias is a serious one in my book.
I think you would be served well by checking out some of the atheist youtubers videos. There are quite a few of them. I myself am planning out a series of videos similar to this one.
@kittehprimo Any argument presented by either a Christian or an atheist will have an inherent bias. It's nothing personal, it's just fact. Any person who formulates an argument will always (even subconsciously) share an inherent bias toward their own interpretation of the information they are presented with. It just happens. Even when specifically trying to see from the opposite side, your own interpretation of their argument is inherent to your understanding of that argument.
@kittehprimo I'll definitely take a look at some of those videos. Just promise me to do the same (as I'm sure you already do anyway). Try to find Christian videos that actually try to be tolerant of other beliefs, and still provide a deep understanding of the love of Christ. Because Christ was sent for us ALL. Not to force us to love Him, but to allow us to make the choice on our own accord. Maybe I'll try to throw up some vids. My only problem is actually finding the time to do it. :)
@kittehprimo I mean, it's gotten to the point to where I'm tired of being called a Christian because of all the negative stereotypes that surround the term. I like to think of myself more of a disciple than a Christian. (And I don't mean that as in one of the 12, but as in its literal meaning: A student and follower of Christ.) I know it's kinda rough, but hang in there, there are some actually GOOD Christians out there.
@kittehprimo It's just like me being biased in the opposite direction. I can say that I have experienced the presence of God, therefore I know He exists, but there would simply be no way of proving, or disproving the statement without some level of bias entering the debate. What I know in my heart simply cannot be logically expressed, and therefore, we end up back at our starting point and the cycle continues.
@tbonejmac09 Im glad you admitted that you cannot rationally explain the existence of your God. Neither can I. Thats why Im an atheist.
I think you will find that if you wish to remain consistent in your beliefs, this reasoning alone will end up giving justification for a whole range of foolish beliefs. If i heard a scary noice, does that provide me with a reason to believe in ghosts?
@kittehprimo But that's the point though. If you could rationally explain God, their would be no need for faith, there would be no need to trust that He is who He says He is. The concept is MEANT to seem irrational. I know it doesn't make much sense to you, but I have FELT the presence of God in my life. I've been down that road before too. I became an agnositc when my father died when I was 10. I kept asking, "If there is a God, why would he take him from me?"
@tbonejmac09 Sure there would. Think about it. In exodus people knew, not believed, KNEW their god existed because he manifested himself in certain ways, sent obvious signs, and so on. It wasn't a task then to believe in his existence but to believe he wanted what was best for them.
Also your saying your god concept is MEANT to be irrational? Wow.
@humanistheart I'm not really saying that the concept of my God is irrational, just that I, personally, cannot rationally explain it. I'm at a point in my faith where I simply don't have that great of an understanding, and I'm very willing to admit that. I'm still kind of confused about certain things, and there are others that I'm kind of grasping on, but don't have a firm grip on like I'd like to. Really, I am a rational person trying to grasp something my brain calls irrational.
@kittehprimo Then, after a long series of unfortunate events, I got involved in a local coven and nearly got into some crazy stuff with Wicca. I reluctantly got dragged to a church youth camp, where I felt something... something I could never describe. All I know is that for the first time in a very LONG time, I felt at peace. Then there was an alter call at evening worship, and I accepted that there had to be a higher power out there somewhere. I wasn't ready to say God yet,
@tbonejmac09 but I started looking for answers, and found that this whole Christianity thing, works out pretty good if you're talking to someone who can actually give it to you straight. P.S. That's hard to come by, I know.
@tbonejmac09 Millions of Muslims have claimed they felt the presence of Allah. The same for Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, native americans and in fact every other religion out there. The fact that you have felt the presence of your god is not convincing, nor is it a sufficient basis for faith. religious experience doesn't fly.
Even then, how do you know your experience wasn't Allah talking to you? or Zeus? or Krishna? or Zoroaster? or Thor? or Ra? or the spirits of dead ancestors?
@skinandbonesx I wish i had thought of that when I made the video, but I was more pissed off that he would consider this an actual response. My tolerance for bullshit is pretty high, but when you respond to a very well thought and rehearsed video with prosletyzing and sheer, demonstrable falsehoods I lose it.
This video is bullshit i just watched his video and he broke down every word he said
he uses logic and reason and an understanding your video is bullshit
im atheist myself i can tell that your a desperate cry for attention and if you watch the video they take and he explains every arguement you have made here in advance
@Shit2223 I cant bring myself to take a user by the name of shit 2223 seriously. But il try.
nephy does not use logic and reason, and the only reason you may see him occasionally define the terms he is using is so he can flip around and change the definition midthought.
Watch my other videos. You will soon realize that this is not an attentionwhoring account. This is my opinion on both the topic in general and Nephys take specifically. You may care to agree or disagree, but until you can tell me
@kittehprimo I know im barking at a wall here right know as both sides are biased but i am an atheist but whether that be or not religion is necessary for some people. Some people can accept there being an ultimate end and some cant even if or not religion gives people a reason to be good do good
Although some people use it for their own gain start wars (arguements) for exposure and acclaim religion overall creates some amazing people of unmatched generosity and should therefore be left alone
I have no problem with believers at all... but I think this guy is pushing this to much, he sounds like a prophet at some times... he makes some great points but in my opinion the points about god are so ridiculous
Nephilimfree sends me this cocky, narcissistic, delusional assault on reasoned thinking, and then doesn't allow me to comment on his video. I think people who have shit addressed to other people sould be required to allow the receivers to comment on their diatribe.
@RyanTheTruthSeeker That would be a requirement, if people acted rationally. Nephilim, and people who tend to agree with him, try their hardest to not act this way. I expect this to happen, but it is still funnier to laugh at them when they play smart.
LOL. This video is fail, the previous video is fail, and Laci Green's video is epic fail. As I just recently destroyed her Problem of Evil arguement in the comments section of that video.
I cant believe how deep people get to this, and you guys call yourself's "rationalists". What a disgrace to the good names of logical people.
@UncannyRicardo without addressing the question at hand you proceeded to cast aspersions upon people who put forward the problem of evil. that is the definition of an ad hominem, and my personal definition of a troll
I thought the definition of an ad hominem was attacking an idea simply based on the person stating it and not the idea itself.
As far as I can tell I NEVER directly stated that I disagreed with this simply because of you, I simply stated my disagreement. I mean if someone makes a statement and I simply state "I disagree", that aint an ad hominem. If I disagreed simply because of the person, then yea you have your case.
"This video is fail, the previous video is fail, and Laci Green's video is epic fail." That would be it. Fine i dont feel like sticking around anyway.
I dont take all the credit, I give it to the countless theologians in the ages to have answered it. Epicurus' logical argument for the non-existance of God is not even really taken serious anymore in today's academic field. But we shouldn't be talking about it here, this is the wrong video.
God created Adam and Eve and EVEN lucifer with free will. That's how lucifer(fallen angel which is now evil itself) fell from heaven. He chose to betray god because he was jealous of him. And Adam and Eve chose to eat from the tree. Even if there was no evil and we had free will, our choices wouldn't be all good. Nephilim is right. Whether some people want to believe it ot not. If god created everyone on earth to be the same, i don't think that would be fair to us, don't you think?
@typh0087 my pet unicorn took an invisible shit in my yard. He also has the habit of stealing the socks out of my dryer, and replacing them with invisible garden gnomes.
here's the contradiction of free will: am i free to not choose free will?
I don't see a point. Why are you calling the invocation of free will a 'straw man'? That's retarded. Either there IS or is NOT free will. Atheists deny that there is anything spiritual... so only physical laws, prior history can really affect a person's first 'choice'. ie. they don't have a real choice. And if anyone believes that they aren't even self-aware. lol. If one IS self aware of course they realize they have a choice in what to say/do and what attitude to take.Seems..likely!
@sounddoctorin straw man: an artificial argument imposed on the other party in order to avoid addressing their argument. says nothing about the validity of the strawmen in other contexts, but in the one it is applied in it is unnecessary.
i would take exception to your categorization of atheists. technically speaking, atheists simply deny the existance of a god or gods. while this oftentimes means anything spiritual, i have seen people make convincing cases for spirituality without the need for
@kittehprimo a god or gods. that being said, there is an entire component of philosophy which deals with how we know what we know (there's a book called philosophy of mind by ian ravenscroft. you can get it on amazon for like 20 bucks or barnes and noble for about 6). and trust me, very few of them use the idea of free will as a starter, simply because its a non-starter.
here is the component that greatly troubles even christian philosophers:
@kittehprimo famine, disease, pestilence, pollution, and violence? free will cannot even begin to address these situations in any sort of explanatory sense. it can only say that shit happens and you have to deal with it. not a very good place to start when you're trying to describe how bad things happen to otherwise undeserving people.
@kittehprimo You don't have to define it for me. I have a BS in Science Ed. and one sequence less a Physics bs. Don't tell me obvious things or I lose interest real quick. OK? Every atheist I've ever met not only believes that there is no God, they also believe there is nothing spiritual. SO I DO NOT SEE A PRACTICAL REASON to discuss this with you. WHAT LOGICAL REASON would any WHACK job have for believing there ARE spiritual forces yet..no GOD? LOL. I see no logical framework for it.
@sounddoctorin i could, but then again i am limited to approx. 500 characters. would take too long and frankly, you're not that interesting.
i do suggest that book, unless you live in some unsettled portion of the globe amazon can get it there in a few days. and its only 200 pages or so. who knows, by the end of next week you can actually learn something!
@kittehprimo MEANWHILE... you are diverging. The point is it's NOT a strawman to bring up the possibility/likelihood of free will in view of the context presented. Go waste someone elses time. I can see no neurons are firing on this side of the divide. Next.
@vkwill you have indeed started some conversations, for which i thank you, but now i get the feeling that you are just trolling. you will not accept any arguments to the contrary, and regularly employ ad hominems to try and prove your points. as such, you are respectfully blocked.
@kittehprimo blocked? because I have an opinion supported by documents contrary to what you believe or want to accept? So that's how it is now huh? As long as someone agrees with you you let them post what they want no matter how dumb or ignorant or WRONG it is? Ok that's understandable. Most little kids when proven wrong or when they don't get their way, pick up their ball and go home just like you are. No problem. Have a nice life. I forgive you for you know not what you do.
@vkwill a 30 second urbandictionary search would prove useful
"Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness."
it is not close-minded to reject the foolishness of the close-minded. those who cannot think critically do not deserve the deference i would give to an intelligent person.
read your bible, open yourself to the opinions of those with the
@kittehprimo what does trolling mean anyway? Does that mean to have a different opinion & belief system than you? If so then by all means I am trolling. If trolling means refuting your arguments by properly educating you on the context & background of the commandments you have so effortlessly misconstrued then yes I am trolling. So what you're telling me is that freedom of speech has no reign on your youtube posts? Are you blocking me like Nephy blocked you?
Ok, as far as your video goes, you proved nothing to refute "Nephy's" statements. God didn't make Job suffer at all. It was Satan, maybe you should read a little more. As far as who's to blame for a retarded child, there are many reasons. Parents could be on drugs, parents could be cousins or kin, a genetic mutation that could skip a generation, retardation isn't like the lottery. There is a cause for the retardation, if you do what is right during your pregnancy you'll have a healthy baby.
@vkwill "The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Job 1:12
you didn't learn a thing did you. maybe you should ask your church for your money back, they seem to have done a poor job.
if the child's parents are to blame for the child's suffering, that would also fit into the category of 'only punish the criminals'. the kid is still suffering, and it is still not his fault, so you haven't demonstrated anything.
@kittehprimo LOL if I say hey kittehprimo, I'm gonna let you post a video on youtube, does that mean I posted a video on youtube? That's logic in its most simple form. Allowing YOU to do something isn't the same as doing it MYSELF. And you know what? If you kept reading Job you will see that GOD restored everything SATAN took & more. Your 2nd part doesn't make any sense. In any crime in which someone is punished there will be innocent people affected. If you rob a bank & get (continued)
@vkwill o right, so the dons of the italian and irish mafia were nice people, morally blameless and contributing members to society? there is no moral difference between killing someone and forcing a subordinate to do it for you.
watch my video on the origins of morality, and try to do so with an open mind. you may learn something
the word i think you're looking for when you're trying to refute my statement is "externality". usually the word refers to an aspect of economics, in its purest form
@kittehprimo it means an unrelated effect. in your example, the child and wife would indeed suffer (not because they no longer have a father/spouse but because he/she is now incarcerated). however the suffering (causally related to the crime) would be an externality to the crime itself. the only effects that are endemic to the act of robbery would be the act itself and the punishment exerted by the judicial system. to make your example make more sense, a better scenario would be the parent
@kittehprimo committing robbery and the child being sent to federal prison for 50 years. In this scenario, (closely mirroring the original sin model, entirely intentionally) it is obvious how unjust such a punishment would be.
even if we take your original model, it still demonstrates nothing. the father's choice adversely effected the child. the father's choice is made EVEN MORE immoral by this externality.
i have not payed a cent to any church, or any theological institution. i suggest
@kittehprimo LOL...you really just used a bunch of words to say absolutely NOTHING. Apparently you have never made a bad decision or been effected by someone else's bad decision. Now let me break down my point into an Elementary form you may understand. You are 7 years old, your father and mother work, your father brings home 35k a year, mother 20k a year. Father does something stupid & goes to prison for 4 years. Now household has 20k income & not 55k per year. This shows a loss of 140k
@kittehprimo over a period of 4 years. Now you as a child had no control over this. You see the effects of dad making a bad decision & losing 140k over the next 4 years. Now let's say your dad was Adam, mother was Eve. The judge/law maker is God. Is it God's fault your dad went to prison? Did God make your dad do something to go to prison? Now as a child who doesn't understand morality, you may blame the police or judge, or anyone else for sending your dad to prison but it was dad's decision.
@kittehprimo well 1st off, you're comparing a mob boss to God, apples and oranges here buddy. Secondly why would I watch your video on morality? When did you become a voice of reason for morality? You can't even properly argue your point against Nephy so what leads me to believe you have the ability to effectively speak on something such as morality? Only way I would watch it is if you came out and said at the beginning, "I know nothing of morality, go read your Bible & see what God says".
@kittehprimo caught then more than just you suffers. Let's say you have a wife and 2 kids. You are the main breadwinner for that household. Your wife and children become a by-product of the bad decision you made do they not? Children have no father, wife has no husband or breadwinner. This means the family doesn't have the luxuries previously experienced, may even mean welfare or homelessness. They suffer, but who made the bad decision? Maybe you should ask for your theology tuition back.
why is it the smarter we become( that is in history, science, and possibly everything else) the more we dont believe in god. Why cant the brains and faith coexist. You do realize the only reason that guy an possible other christians get pissed with you is because your disrespecting them, and I dont mean in your uuh "evidence". Its the way you speak. And for goodness sake, there is nothing wrong with believing in god so why keep tearing him apart? I mean really?
@JazzRockablity its not a difference in tone. We present facts, and they cannot, they naturally start feeling foolish and inferior. Then they take 1 of 2 routes: make up their own facts to start feeling better (kent hovind) or call us amoral lying, thieving, murdering bastards who are atheists simple because we hate god and love sinning so much.
and by the way, there *is* something wrong with believing in an internally inconsistent entity. it opens the doors to chaos, something noone wants.
@kittehprimo but I dont get how believing in a god that tells you not to kill, not to cheat, not to lie etc. is so evil and bad. Sounds decent to me.... as for the ppl, atheists and christians who take the duty upon themselves to force there beliefs on anyone else is fucking pathetic. As for the tone, Im not even going to get into that, not dodging it. I just know how debaters use a certain tone to make them appear confident. Ummm yeah so good day. I'd say god bless, but I dont want offend you.
@JazzRockablity no, it wouldn't necessarily offend me, i would just take it like someone said "may the flying spaghetti monster bless you with his noodly appendages". i get the sentiment, but the statement itself is void.
the reason i dont take moral hints from yahweh is that, out of one side of his mouth, he says "do not kill", and out of the other he says rape is ok as long as you pay the girls father for the inconvenience, or that genocide is ok as long as a certain minority is in the way
@kittehprimo rape and genocide are ok in the Bible? Where did you find that passage? Now I've seen where people raped and killed and were punished for doing so on more than 1 occasion, so what you're saying doesn't make any sense because God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Maybe you should throw your "theodicies" and personal beliefs out the window because at the end of the day you're still only using 10% of your brain and He created you & even states our thoughts aren't like His
@vkwill "...and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Is.13:15-16)
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." (De. 2:34)
please, please read your Bible. That bit at the beginning is just as important as the fairy-man-deity at the end.
@kittehprimo the Isaiah reference was for Babylon, a nation that opposed God and the children of God and practiced idol worship, human sacrifice, baby sacrifice, bestiality, etc. If someone evil attacked your child would you not defend them? The 2nd passage was once again to God's chosen race, the Israelites, to whom He promised a certain land that was now inhabited by giants. Once again your point? It's easy to take 1 or 2 sentences and form a WRONG opinion as you have demonstrated here.
@JazzRockablity god is, as i hopefully demonstrated in this video and in my "origins of morality" video (you should check it out), god ISNT the source of morality. its demonstrable fact. so, without god, where is morality from? im actually working on a script to answer that question, you should subscribe, and the video will be up in the next few days
@JazzRockablity I agree with u, but the thing is that we're not getting smarter, we just think we are. It's called pride and deception. Hmmmm, now who is the father of deception that became full of pride and was cast out of God's Kingdom? Yep you got it, ol satan. He is the god of this world now(notice the little "g") The Pyramid of Giza is the most perfect building created and it's over 5,000 years old and you know what? We can't recreate now, so they knew something back then, we don't now.
@vkwill we actually CAN replicate it now. we have built structures thousands of times more complex than the egyptians ever could. hell, we built SCULPTURES that are taller and more intricate, made of better materials than the egyptians or yes, even the israelites ever could. two examples are in one city for christ's sake. Empire State Building? Statue of Liberty? and if satan is a god, wouldnt that make you a polytheist?
if you have to live under a rock, please do so somewhere else
@kittehprimo No...once again you are wrong. Our best engineers can't replicate the Pyramid. Engineers account a settling rate of 6 inches every 200 years. The White House has settled 5 inches since it was constructed. The Great Pyramid of Giza weighing 2.7 million lbs has only settled 1/2 inch in 5,000 years. World Trade Center was our crown jewel & it's gone. You don't think anyone has ever attacked Egypt? Empire State Building isn't as perfect as the Pyramid, do research before you speak.
@vkwill The White House was built on drained swampland; the Great Pyramid on solid bedrock. So no surprise the White House has settled more.
As far as the Great Pyramid being so durable... well, it's a BIG SOLID (almost solid) STONE STRUCTURE. And yes, we could easily duplicate it; but would the end result justify the time and expense? THERE'S your answer as to why we don't build such things today; we're not willing to build a huge monument which is USELESS except for superstitious rituals.
@bjggjb once again you're wrong. The pyramid was built in the desert. What's in the desert? Oh yea, that's right, SAND. Lots and lots of SAND!!! Sand everywhere!!! I've been to Washington D.C. and I visited the White House and you know what I didn't see? A swampland. I didn't see any alligators, snakes, or even bodies of water for that matter other than nearby lakes. That large STONE structure should settle then right? Ok, I'm gonna need you to research before you post anything else on here.
@vkwill Ever heard of the GIZA PLATEAU, dummy? IT IS A GEOLOGICAL ROCK FORMATION. The Pyramids were NOT built on sand!
The swamp that used to exist in DC was DRAINED 200 YEARS AGO.
I'd do the research you suggest, but reading crackpot "science" by the likes of Peter Heron(who thinks that "Nephilim" built the pyramids) does the same thing to your brain that cotton candy does to your teeth. Your posts are testimony to that.
Have a nice life. (And BTW, "The Flintstones" is NOT a documentary!)
@bjggjb LOL...so we're calling names now? The Giza Plateau is a rock formation of marl & limestone, the supposed "freemasons" were smart enough to build on a solid foundation 5,000 years ago, but 200 years ago "freemasons" just chose any place to build our nation's capital? Patrick Heron gives wonderful information as far as explaining what modern science can't explain. You seem to know so much why don't you do something useful with your life instead of being a Youtube professor of theology?
*The Giza Plateau... "freemasons" were smart enough to build on a solid foundation 5,000 years ago, but 200 years ago freemasons just chose any place to build our nation's capital?*
-The Egyptians were Freemasons WTF?
*Patrick Heron gives wonderful information... modern science can't explain.*
-LOL so does Kent Hovind AKA "Dr. Dino" (EPIC FAIL)
*why don't you do something useful with your life instead of being a Youtube professor of theology?*
@bjggjb yes, according to archaeologists and theorists, freemasons built the pyramids genius. According to those same theorists that is why we have the pyramid and the all seeing eye on the back of our money because freemasons are believed to have built the structures around D.C. Dr. Dino? On to the next one. Like I said in my previous post people like you spout idiocracies until you find that you're wrong and make no sense so you resort to personal attacks. Once again I forgive you.
@vkwill I'm not going to argue with you anymore, chief. It gives me a dirty feeling, sort of like making fun of a Special Olympics "athlete" as he stumbles down a racetrack.
Just one thing though. You keep accusing me of spouting "idiocracies" (LOLOL!) A bit of advice my friend... invest in a thesaurus. (If you don't know what a thesaurus is, google it... I'm telling you RIGHT NOW though that Noah did NOT march them two-by-two on board the ark.)
@bjggjb well first off idiocracy is a sarcastic word, maybe you should watch the movie, "Idiocracy" and you will see what I mean by that. Secondly, the Bible never says Noah marched the animals 2 by 2, it says noah and his family boarded the ark and the animals loaded the ark 2 by 2 as commanded by God. Now the same God that created the Heavens and Earth and all that we see and can't see can easily make animals obey His will.
@vkwill I've seen that movie (it shows what the world will be like after superstitious uneducated goobers like you take over.) And why aren't you speaking ENGLISH like a normal person? You're using the word completely out of context, as a neologism. (Google "neologisms+mental illness"... the two are frequently associated.
For what it's worth, "idiocracy" means "rule by idiots." How you discombobulated that to mean "a stupid idea" I can only guess. (Probably your pastor uses it that way...)
@bjggjb LOL....if idiocracy means "rule by idiots", wouldn't idiocracies mean "rules by idiots"? Once again it was used in a sarcastic tone, if you want to get bent out of shape over the way I use a word after I utterly destroyed your feeble arguments that weren't even presented well, by all means my fine sir be my guest. The fact remains you got upset when I said something to your little friend answering his comment and you felt the need to jump in. You got an "S" on your chest or something?
@vkwill You "destroyed" my arguments? LOL kiddo. You remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python's "The Holy Grail" after he's been successively deprived of all 4 limbs. You're the one who stumps for half-baked crackpot pseudo-science by the likes of Patrick Heron (if he's such a genius, why isn't the mainstream, published, peer-reviewed archaeological community bestowing honors on him, instead of treating him like they would Erich von Daniken, "Dr. Dino" Kent Hovind, and other such cranks?)
@bjggjb well if history serves us well, everyone thought Christopher Columbus was one of those half-baked crackot pseudo-science cranks, but we both experience how that scenario turned out. Looks like Black Knight 3, unbelieving neaderthal 0. Keep trying though, the Little Engine That Could never gave up and you shouldn't either LOL
@vkwill I'm not trying to change your mind, I know better than that. Over centuries the Christian clergy have perfected the art of brainwashing children when they're young, and inoculating them against rational argumentation... as they obviously did with you. I have as much chance of deprogramming you, as I would of curing a "Night of the Living Dead" zombie of its affliction.
However, others may read this and watch you make an ignorant ass out of yourself.THERE'S the potential benefit, ya dig?
@vkwill Let us also not forget that Columbus had REASONABLE EVIDENCE to back up his claims (ancient Greek research by Archimedes and others.) Many people in Europe believed the world was round during his time.
What is the evidence for Heron's work? WHERE is the evidence? Did Heron allow the evidence to lead him to his conclusions, or did he start with a conclusion and then find "evidence" for it (like creationists typically do?)
Let me guess, you also believe in Bigfoot, witchcraft, and UFOS...
@bjggjb What evidence did Columbus have? Columbus had the same information the king & queen had, as well as their scientists. So Columbus was the only one to have research by Archimedes that proved the Earth was round & not flat? Maybe you need to re-write history books in America then because we glorify Columbus as the "Founder of our Nation" because he thought outside the box when everyone else thought the world was flat, he ventured out to prove them differently.
@bjggjb Heron uses ancient texts such as the Book of Enoch, the Bible, Book of Jared, authors that have conducted studies on the pyramids. I suggest you read "The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse". The conclusion Heron started with is what is the significance of the Great Pyramid of Giza, who built it, and how. An unknown conclusion is what causes a person to search for "evidence". Columbus' conclusion was a great amount of water so he wanted to know what was on the other side.
@bjggjb BTW, who mentioned the Flintstones? See that's what people like you do, they spout idiocracies when they're around their other idiot friends who just want to attempt to disprove what's been proven. Then when they have been proven wrong, they resort to name calling and pulling ignorant jargon from left field like Flintstone references. You know what, I'm gonna take a page from my Bible and say what Jesus said, "I forgive you for you know not what you do."
@bjggjb what justified the expense in building it originally? What justifies putting a big HOLLYWOOD sign on a hill in California? What justifies building the World Trade Center when we have the Empire State Building near it? What justifies building the White House? The reason we don't recreate it is because we can't. The Pyramid is a perfect structure in its construction. Look up the youtube video from Patrick Heron regarding the Pyramid before you post anything else please.
Nephilim says humans can't fathom the Christian god, so why does Nephilim presume to defend him/it? You can't say what he/it likes, doesn't like, or wants us to do!
@kittehprimo And neither can any Christian/Jew/Muslim know what "God" wants (assuming such an entity exists) unless you think a bunch of ancient, viciously barbaric goat herders who wiped their asses with their bare hands (and then ate without washing their hands) and were nearly as ignorant as the animals they herded, had "wisdom" which modern people "just don't have."
(BTW, modern archaeology suggests that King David, Solomon ect. never existed, so how much else in that stupid book is bunko?)
@bjggjb Why can't we know what God wants? He exists & tells us. The Ancients aren't as "dumb" as you think they are, that's just what you were taught in school so you believe it. No barbaric goat herder could devise or build a sculpture as perfect as the Pyramid. The math and science you learn in school was developed by these barbaric goat herders. The same constellations your horoscope is based on was developed by these goat herders. You know what you know from them, so who's the dumb one?
@vkwill My HOROSCOPE??? Sorry but I don't believe in astrology, you superstitious twit.
Or ghosts. Or magic. Or werewolves, fairies... or gods.
Nice example you gave, the pyramids; never mind the Egyptians were a FAR CRY from the nomadic, flea-infested hillbillies who dreamed up your Abrahamic god. The scientific developments you mention were all the product of scholars in settled, high-level civilizations, some of which were non-theistic (as in the case of the Buddhists.) My comments stand.
@bjggjb hey, you know what? Your belief means absolutely nothing. For years Europeans BELIEVED the world was flat, did that stop the world from being a sphere? No. If the Egyptians were a far cry from those hillbillies, why were those Egyptians defeated by those hillbillies and were given all their spoils and NEVER recovered? You don't hear ANYTHING else about Egypt in history except for Cleopatra years later because they chose to fight the 1 True God.
@vkwill There's no archaeological evidence that the Exodus story is anything more than a fable. All that magical broo-haha with plagues of locusts, staffs turning into snakes, and firstborn sons being massacred, and the sea parting and drowning Ramses' army should be recorded somewhere, ESPECIALLY considering that the Egyptians pitilessly recorded EVERYTHING including their own military defeats, ect. BUT there's nary a peep about this epic event in ANY known Egyptian literature, WHY???
@bjggjb they didn't include EVERYTHING in records. Who built the pyramid then? What was the architect's name? You can't answer that, so therefore they didn't put EVERYTHING in their history. So you're waiting for archaelogical evidence huh? Where's the archaelogical evidence for the World Trade Center? 4,000 years from now if someone wanted to prove or disprove the existance of the World Trade Center they couldn't, Ground zero is bare. Where is Christopher Columbus' archaelogical evidence?
@bjggjb Where is the archaelogical evidence of us fighting in the Vietnam War? LOL for that matter, where is the evidence for the Korean War, Desert Storm, or Desert Shield? My point is you will not always have archaelogical evidence for something & logically speaking at best archaeological evidence provides theories, not answers. We have archaeological evidence of the Pyramid of Giza & still can't reproduce it. We have evidence of giants & dinosaurs but most people don't believe in them.
@bjggjb Those scientific developments mentioned were not the products of scholars in a settled, high-level civilization. The Great Pyramid is roughly 5,000 years old, that places it between the Stone Age & the Bronze Age. So you are telling me that Buddhists traveled from Asia to Africa just to build something for the Egyptians they didn't even have for themselves? Really? Where did they get the model? Would you trust someone to build something that never built it before? Once again you fail.
@vkwill And once again you display your total ignorance about history (Egypt had been unified as a nation for 500 years when the Great Pyramid was built.) I DIDN'T SAY the Buddhists traveled to Egypt to build the pyramids, or that they even existed at that time; like a typical dogmatist, you're taking me out of context. You're hopeless, dude; arguing with people like you serves only to put a superstitious fool on display.
Have a nice day, and be good or Santa will give you a lump of coal...
@bjggjb how does saying they were a unified nation prove my ignorance? You said the scientific accomplishments I mentioned with the Pyramid was from a settled, high-level civilization like the Buddhists. So my question is do you even read what you type? Do you understand what's coming across your screen? So you mean like a dogmatist, I'm taking you out of context in the same way you do God and the Bible? Oh no, it's totally wrong to do to you what you've done to others...LOL
Nephy's god is a moron. How else could it be destroyed so quickly by two uneducated children? Face it, without knowledge nor experience, Adam and Eve were morons that Nephy's god left alone to be seduced by evil.
As a parent, if I would leave a loaded gun on a chair but instruct my kids not to touch and then go away (how can an omnipresent/omnipotent god "go away"?) and one picks it up and uses it, I should lose my kids for being a terrible parent, right?
@sol3a1 "As a parent, if I would leave a loaded gun on a chair but instruct my kids not to touch and then go away (how can an omnipresent/omnipotent god "go away"?) and one picks it up and uses it, I should lose my kids for being a terrible parent, right?"
I used this same argument (substituting a hand grenade on a chair for your pistol) in a college term paper. I then added "allowing Oilcan Harry into the playroom with the kids" to "God going fishing for a day."
@bjggjb Well the only thing about that is the extremity you took it to. No tree can be compared to a gun. God didn't put a weapon in the Garden and say don't touch it, He put a tree. As far as getting an "A" on a paper, that doesn't show the thesis was a "correct" thesis and paper, it just says you properly argued your point, no matter how wrong or right it is. In college I wrote a paper on how Oz was a Utopia and I got an "A" Does that mean Oz is a utopia? No I just proved my point well.
@vkwill "He didn't put a gun in the garden, he put a tree." WEAK man, weak...
It could have been a can of sardines, so what? The EFFECT of putting that "yes, but" tree in the middle of what was supposedly paradise had the same result as a loaded gun or bomb (except that physical death wasn't immediate with the tree.) Got news for you buddy... you WOULDN'T have gotten an "A" on a term paper using that line of argument.
@bjggjb the tree in itself wasn't evil, the fact that they went against God's word & His commandment is why it's evil. God blatantly told them do not eat of the tree or you will surely die. The serpent said you won't die, you will be a god, thereby calling God a liar. Now creating a new species with something called free will would mean nothing if you didn't give them the chance to exercise free will. God knew they would fall, that's how He gave everyone involved their punishment so fast.
@sol3a1 I'm sure you've never left a gun on a chair & said don't touch it, but you did leave something appealing to their sight & taste out in the open like maybe dessert. Most parents tell their children don't eat cake until you finish your meal, but you know what? Little Billy doesn't do that. Little Billy wants the cake because it is appealing to him & you told him not to eat it. Now beside the cake is a knife, does Billy pick the knife up and kill someone? No he doesn't. He cuts the cake.
Hey Nephilimfree, why do you censor the posts on your site? I know why, you're a coward. That's okay, all apologists are. After all, how can anyone ever keep a straight face when you lose it?
@zalarianamx Unfortunately our likely next president (Sarah Palin) believes in the same stuff Nephy does. (Insanity it is, but it is very POPULAR insanity apparently.)
3. It is a non-contradiction paradox caused by the atheist worldview, not to mention a lack of understanding of the concept of “faith”.
WSSIIWarlordII 6 months ago
@WSSIIWarlordII you lost me at "atheist worldview"
kittehprimo 6 months ago
@kittehprimo These tiny people are specs of dust on youtube... You should try looking at the high rollers. Dr William Lane Craig, John Lennox. Richard Deem. And other good University apologetic veterans!
WSSIIWarlordII 6 months ago
@WSSIIWarlordII You lost me at "william lane craig"
kittehprimo 6 months ago
@kittehprimo Whatever, be angry all your life then.. There more atheist! The better :) World Will Self Destruct soon! :)
WSSIIWarlordII 6 months ago
@WSSIIWarlordII "These tiny people are specs of dust on youtube... You should try looking at the high rollers. Dr William Lane Craig...."
*SIGH*
Since when does a phD in philosophy grant one access to the supernatural?? And Presenting plausible arguments justifying a supernatural creation source DOES NOT equal proof for the "Christian" god! This use of intellectual intimidation is getting old. But if you must you must. I find it amusing how desperate apologists are getting.
sammy2trees 4 months ago
1. The Scientific Naturalist claims complete faith in the empirical process, despite the limitations of the process, and the primitive current state of knowledge (lack of existing evidence).
2. Yet the S.N. decries religion due the use of faith in the process, despite the rational logic and forensic evidence that currently exists in support for that faith.
WSSIIWarlordII 6 months ago
We know it is false because? If we are Naturalists only, then it is false by definition. We have intuited its falseness, even though we have no empirical justification. We need it to be false, or naturalism is false. We want it to be false. It is our will that there is no free will; a fine paradox.
WSSIIWarlordII 6 months ago
“ The physical world provides no room for freedom of will. (yet) that concept is essential to our models of the mental realm. Too much of our psychology is based on it for us ever to give it up. We’re virtually forced to maintain that belief, even though we know it is false.”
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youneekk 8 months ago
I'm a believer, and I think ole Nephy is a psycho! He makes some very ridiculous arguments, and doesn't use a shred of logic to back them up. This guy needs to try and find a balance between his ideals and realism. Your arguments were good. It's not going to change what I believe, but I appreciate someone who does their homework and provides a solid argument.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 Thanks a lot. You actually get the first ever *christian who doesnt automatically discount a contradictory argument as prima facie wrong* award (name subject to change). But, the one question I would ask you is: If you recognize that the arguments are sound, what compels you to still believe? If the rational side of your brain says "it's bogus", how can you possibly hold another opinion without being in danger of doublethink?
kittehprimo 8 months ago
@kittehprimo It's just something, as a Christian, I have to feel in my heart. It's hard to rationally explain, because it ISN'T really rational. That's why it's called faith. I have faith that my God exists, and loves us for who we are, blemishes and all. I'm not saying that I don't have my doubts, there is a such thing as a "healthy level of doubt". I said you had a solid argument, and that you provided evidence to back it up. However, I did not mention anything about it being unbiased.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 I think it was unbiased. Please tell me where I may be biased so i can correct it.
I think you will find that the reason my arguments were so compelling to you was that they were largely UNbiased.
Im not trying to be antagonistic, but a claim of bias is a serious one in my book.
I think you would be served well by checking out some of the atheist youtubers videos. There are quite a few of them. I myself am planning out a series of videos similar to this one.
kittehprimo 8 months ago
@kittehprimo Any argument presented by either a Christian or an atheist will have an inherent bias. It's nothing personal, it's just fact. Any person who formulates an argument will always (even subconsciously) share an inherent bias toward their own interpretation of the information they are presented with. It just happens. Even when specifically trying to see from the opposite side, your own interpretation of their argument is inherent to your understanding of that argument.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@kittehprimo I'll definitely take a look at some of those videos. Just promise me to do the same (as I'm sure you already do anyway). Try to find Christian videos that actually try to be tolerant of other beliefs, and still provide a deep understanding of the love of Christ. Because Christ was sent for us ALL. Not to force us to love Him, but to allow us to make the choice on our own accord. Maybe I'll try to throw up some vids. My only problem is actually finding the time to do it. :)
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@kittehprimo I mean, it's gotten to the point to where I'm tired of being called a Christian because of all the negative stereotypes that surround the term. I like to think of myself more of a disciple than a Christian. (And I don't mean that as in one of the 12, but as in its literal meaning: A student and follower of Christ.) I know it's kinda rough, but hang in there, there are some actually GOOD Christians out there.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@kittehprimo It's just like me being biased in the opposite direction. I can say that I have experienced the presence of God, therefore I know He exists, but there would simply be no way of proving, or disproving the statement without some level of bias entering the debate. What I know in my heart simply cannot be logically expressed, and therefore, we end up back at our starting point and the cycle continues.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 Im glad you admitted that you cannot rationally explain the existence of your God. Neither can I. Thats why Im an atheist.
I think you will find that if you wish to remain consistent in your beliefs, this reasoning alone will end up giving justification for a whole range of foolish beliefs. If i heard a scary noice, does that provide me with a reason to believe in ghosts?
kittehprimo 8 months ago
@kittehprimo But that's the point though. If you could rationally explain God, their would be no need for faith, there would be no need to trust that He is who He says He is. The concept is MEANT to seem irrational. I know it doesn't make much sense to you, but I have FELT the presence of God in my life. I've been down that road before too. I became an agnositc when my father died when I was 10. I kept asking, "If there is a God, why would he take him from me?"
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 Sure there would. Think about it. In exodus people knew, not believed, KNEW their god existed because he manifested himself in certain ways, sent obvious signs, and so on. It wasn't a task then to believe in his existence but to believe he wanted what was best for them.
Also your saying your god concept is MEANT to be irrational? Wow.
humanistheart 8 months ago
@humanistheart I'm not really saying that the concept of my God is irrational, just that I, personally, cannot rationally explain it. I'm at a point in my faith where I simply don't have that great of an understanding, and I'm very willing to admit that. I'm still kind of confused about certain things, and there are others that I'm kind of grasping on, but don't have a firm grip on like I'd like to. Really, I am a rational person trying to grasp something my brain calls irrational.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 That's good. You're brains telling you it's irrational because it IS irrational. Think about it.
humanistheart 8 months ago
@kittehprimo Then, after a long series of unfortunate events, I got involved in a local coven and nearly got into some crazy stuff with Wicca. I reluctantly got dragged to a church youth camp, where I felt something... something I could never describe. All I know is that for the first time in a very LONG time, I felt at peace. Then there was an alter call at evening worship, and I accepted that there had to be a higher power out there somewhere. I wasn't ready to say God yet,
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 but I started looking for answers, and found that this whole Christianity thing, works out pretty good if you're talking to someone who can actually give it to you straight. P.S. That's hard to come by, I know.
tbonejmac09 8 months ago
@tbonejmac09 Millions of Muslims have claimed they felt the presence of Allah. The same for Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, native americans and in fact every other religion out there. The fact that you have felt the presence of your god is not convincing, nor is it a sufficient basis for faith. religious experience doesn't fly.
Even then, how do you know your experience wasn't Allah talking to you? or Zeus? or Krishna? or Zoroaster? or Thor? or Ra? or the spirits of dead ancestors?
Answer: you can't
kittehprimo 8 months ago
I completely disregarded Nephy after about 7 minutes when he started saying that Laci (gogreen) was BLAMING God.
No... she was proving that God didn't exist. You can't blame things on something that you don't believe exists, which is what Laci believes.
And since he doesn't allow me to comment on his stupid ass video I'm putting it here.
good job with your points by the way :)
skinandbonesx 8 months ago
@skinandbonesx I wish i had thought of that when I made the video, but I was more pissed off that he would consider this an actual response. My tolerance for bullshit is pretty high, but when you respond to a very well thought and rehearsed video with prosletyzing and sheer, demonstrable falsehoods I lose it.
kittehprimo 8 months ago
This video is bullshit i just watched his video and he broke down every word he said
he uses logic and reason and an understanding your video is bullshit
im atheist myself i can tell that your a desperate cry for attention and if you watch the video they take and he explains every arguement you have made here in advance
Man= Evil
Good Doesnt equal good
Good does everything thats right
Shit2223 8 months ago
@Shit2223 I cant bring myself to take a user by the name of shit 2223 seriously. But il try.
nephy does not use logic and reason, and the only reason you may see him occasionally define the terms he is using is so he can flip around and change the definition midthought.
Watch my other videos. You will soon realize that this is not an attentionwhoring account. This is my opinion on both the topic in general and Nephys take specifically. You may care to agree or disagree, but until you can tell me
kittehprimo 8 months ago
@kittehprimo why im wrong kindly remain silent and let the adults talk.
kittehprimo 8 months ago
@kittehprimo I know im barking at a wall here right know as both sides are biased but i am an atheist but whether that be or not religion is necessary for some people. Some people can accept there being an ultimate end and some cant even if or not religion gives people a reason to be good do good
Although some people use it for their own gain start wars (arguements) for exposure and acclaim religion overall creates some amazing people of unmatched generosity and should therefore be left alone
Shit2223 8 months ago
I have no problem with believers at all... but I think this guy is pushing this to much, he sounds like a prophet at some times... he makes some great points but in my opinion the points about god are so ridiculous
spermwaste 9 months ago
@ergotrof you're either a troll, or a VERY stupid person. either way, you're not worth debating with
hiimquinn 9 months ago
Nephilimfree sends me this cocky, narcissistic, delusional assault on reasoned thinking, and then doesn't allow me to comment on his video. I think people who have shit addressed to other people sould be required to allow the receivers to comment on their diatribe.
RyanTheTruthSeeker 9 months ago
@RyanTheTruthSeeker That would be a requirement, if people acted rationally. Nephilim, and people who tend to agree with him, try their hardest to not act this way. I expect this to happen, but it is still funnier to laugh at them when they play smart.
kittehprimo 9 months ago
LOL. This video is fail, the previous video is fail, and Laci Green's video is epic fail. As I just recently destroyed her Problem of Evil arguement in the comments section of that video.
I cant believe how deep people get to this, and you guys call yourself's "rationalists". What a disgrace to the good names of logical people.
UncannyRicardo 1 year ago
@UncannyRicardo rule #1 anyone?
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo
Nope, no one.
What an ad hominem? Nope, I never stated that it was the reason for the disagreement. It was only the opinion of the conclusion of this whole thing.
UncannyRicardo 1 year ago
@UncannyRicardo without addressing the question at hand you proceeded to cast aspersions upon people who put forward the problem of evil. that is the definition of an ad hominem, and my personal definition of a troll
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo
I thought the definition of an ad hominem was attacking an idea simply based on the person stating it and not the idea itself.
As far as I can tell I NEVER directly stated that I disagreed with this simply because of you, I simply stated my disagreement. I mean if someone makes a statement and I simply state "I disagree", that aint an ad hominem. If I disagreed simply because of the person, then yea you have your case.
UncannyRicardo 1 year ago
@UncannyRicardo please quote where you outlined your position in any comment on this video
gtfo
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo
"This video is fail, the previous video is fail, and Laci Green's video is epic fail." That would be it. Fine i dont feel like sticking around anyway.
UncannyRicardo 1 year ago
@UncannyRicardo LOL, no you didn't. You could debunk someone if your life depended on it.
humanistheart 9 months ago
@humanistheart
I could? Thanks but I think I have.
UncannyRicardo 9 months ago
@UncannyRicardo Lol, obviously that was meant to be couldn't. I handed you that one ;)
But seriously, how on earth do you think you debunked the 'problem of evil'? If anything the abrahamic god is the prime example of evil.
humanistheart 9 months ago
@humanistheart
I dont take all the credit, I give it to the countless theologians in the ages to have answered it. Epicurus' logical argument for the non-existance of God is not even really taken serious anymore in today's academic field. But we shouldn't be talking about it here, this is the wrong video.
UncannyRicardo 9 months ago
@UncannyRicardo I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore, but what would the proper video be? Or would you prefer an inbox message?
humanistheart 9 months ago
@humanistheart
Im referring to Laci's video, the one you've been responding too.
UncannyRicardo 9 months ago
@UncannyRicardo And?
humanistheart 9 months ago
@humanistheart
Thats it, bye.
UncannyRicardo 9 months ago
@UncannyRicardo Another victim falls to superior debate skills :)
humanistheart 9 months ago
@humanistheart
What victim, cause I didn't see anyone fall here.
UncannyRicardo 9 months ago
@UncannyRicardo Ah, no mirrors in your room a?
humanistheart 9 months ago
@humanistheart
Yea but all I see is my beautiful reflection as always.
UncannyRicardo 9 months ago
@UncannyRicardo Lol, nice one.
humanistheart 9 months ago
God created Adam and Eve and EVEN lucifer with free will. That's how lucifer(fallen angel which is now evil itself) fell from heaven. He chose to betray god because he was jealous of him. And Adam and Eve chose to eat from the tree. Even if there was no evil and we had free will, our choices wouldn't be all good. Nephilim is right. Whether some people want to believe it ot not. If god created everyone on earth to be the same, i don't think that would be fair to us, don't you think?
typh0087 1 year ago
@typh0087 my pet unicorn took an invisible shit in my yard. He also has the habit of stealing the socks out of my dryer, and replacing them with invisible garden gnomes.
here's the contradiction of free will: am i free to not choose free will?
the answer is a resounding no.
therefore, i have no free will.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo that is to say, neither you nor i have free will. we have will (that is intent and the capacity to choose), but that will is not free.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
he just sounds like pat robertson's apprentice. (neph)
epshot 1 year ago
Heaven is supposed to be a sinless arena so is there freewill in heaven? if not..THEN CONGRATS..SKYDADDY HAS CREATED A PLACE FOR MINDLESS ROBOTS
Gamahlee 1 year ago
I don't see a point. Why are you calling the invocation of free will a 'straw man'? That's retarded. Either there IS or is NOT free will. Atheists deny that there is anything spiritual... so only physical laws, prior history can really affect a person's first 'choice'. ie. they don't have a real choice. And if anyone believes that they aren't even self-aware. lol. If one IS self aware of course they realize they have a choice in what to say/do and what attitude to take.Seems..likely!
sounddoctorin 1 year ago
@sounddoctorin straw man: an artificial argument imposed on the other party in order to avoid addressing their argument. says nothing about the validity of the strawmen in other contexts, but in the one it is applied in it is unnecessary.
i would take exception to your categorization of atheists. technically speaking, atheists simply deny the existance of a god or gods. while this oftentimes means anything spiritual, i have seen people make convincing cases for spirituality without the need for
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo a god or gods. that being said, there is an entire component of philosophy which deals with how we know what we know (there's a book called philosophy of mind by ian ravenscroft. you can get it on amazon for like 20 bucks or barnes and noble for about 6). and trust me, very few of them use the idea of free will as a starter, simply because its a non-starter.
here is the component that greatly troubles even christian philosophers:
where is the free will in gettin aids? dying of
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo famine, disease, pestilence, pollution, and violence? free will cannot even begin to address these situations in any sort of explanatory sense. it can only say that shit happens and you have to deal with it. not a very good place to start when you're trying to describe how bad things happen to otherwise undeserving people.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo You don't have to define it for me. I have a BS in Science Ed. and one sequence less a Physics bs. Don't tell me obvious things or I lose interest real quick. OK? Every atheist I've ever met not only believes that there is no God, they also believe there is nothing spiritual. SO I DO NOT SEE A PRACTICAL REASON to discuss this with you. WHAT LOGICAL REASON would any WHACK job have for believing there ARE spiritual forces yet..no GOD? LOL. I see no logical framework for it.
sounddoctorin 1 year ago
@sounddoctorin
1) argument from "authority" (though it was rather poorly done)
2) Ad Hominem fallacy
3) contradiction (if you do not want to discuss "this", why are you responding?)
4) practical note: i would use * * instead of CAPS for emphasis. easier to read
5) another, more generalized ad hominem
good job sparky. really got your point across.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo If you can't list specifically what you are associating these claims to..then you just look like a bigger and bigger idiot. enjoy. fool.
sounddoctorin 1 year ago
@sounddoctorin i could, but then again i am limited to approx. 500 characters. would take too long and frankly, you're not that interesting.
i do suggest that book, unless you live in some unsettled portion of the globe amazon can get it there in a few days. and its only 200 pages or so. who knows, by the end of next week you can actually learn something!
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo MEANWHILE... you are diverging. The point is it's NOT a strawman to bring up the possibility/likelihood of free will in view of the context presented. Go waste someone elses time. I can see no neurons are firing on this side of the divide. Next.
sounddoctorin 1 year ago
@vkwill you have indeed started some conversations, for which i thank you, but now i get the feeling that you are just trolling. you will not accept any arguments to the contrary, and regularly employ ad hominems to try and prove your points. as such, you are respectfully blocked.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo blocked? because I have an opinion supported by documents contrary to what you believe or want to accept? So that's how it is now huh? As long as someone agrees with you you let them post what they want no matter how dumb or ignorant or WRONG it is? Ok that's understandable. Most little kids when proven wrong or when they don't get their way, pick up their ball and go home just like you are. No problem. Have a nice life. I forgive you for you know not what you do.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill a 30 second urbandictionary search would prove useful
"Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness."
it is not close-minded to reject the foolishness of the close-minded. those who cannot think critically do not deserve the deference i would give to an intelligent person.
read your bible, open yourself to the opinions of those with the
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo those with the capacity for critical thought, and you may just learn something. until that date, you do not belong on this channel.
rule #36 of the internet: don't feed the trolls.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo what does trolling mean anyway? Does that mean to have a different opinion & belief system than you? If so then by all means I am trolling. If trolling means refuting your arguments by properly educating you on the context & background of the commandments you have so effortlessly misconstrued then yes I am trolling. So what you're telling me is that freedom of speech has no reign on your youtube posts? Are you blocking me like Nephy blocked you?
vkwill 1 year ago
wait! are we not smarter than the cave man cause if thats the case then whats the point of the word.
JazzRockablity 1 year ago
Ok, as far as your video goes, you proved nothing to refute "Nephy's" statements. God didn't make Job suffer at all. It was Satan, maybe you should read a little more. As far as who's to blame for a retarded child, there are many reasons. Parents could be on drugs, parents could be cousins or kin, a genetic mutation that could skip a generation, retardation isn't like the lottery. There is a cause for the retardation, if you do what is right during your pregnancy you'll have a healthy baby.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill "The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Job 1:12
you didn't learn a thing did you. maybe you should ask your church for your money back, they seem to have done a poor job.
if the child's parents are to blame for the child's suffering, that would also fit into the category of 'only punish the criminals'. the kid is still suffering, and it is still not his fault, so you haven't demonstrated anything.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo LOL if I say hey kittehprimo, I'm gonna let you post a video on youtube, does that mean I posted a video on youtube? That's logic in its most simple form. Allowing YOU to do something isn't the same as doing it MYSELF. And you know what? If you kept reading Job you will see that GOD restored everything SATAN took & more. Your 2nd part doesn't make any sense. In any crime in which someone is punished there will be innocent people affected. If you rob a bank & get (continued)
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill o right, so the dons of the italian and irish mafia were nice people, morally blameless and contributing members to society? there is no moral difference between killing someone and forcing a subordinate to do it for you.
watch my video on the origins of morality, and try to do so with an open mind. you may learn something
the word i think you're looking for when you're trying to refute my statement is "externality". usually the word refers to an aspect of economics, in its purest form
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo it means an unrelated effect. in your example, the child and wife would indeed suffer (not because they no longer have a father/spouse but because he/she is now incarcerated). however the suffering (causally related to the crime) would be an externality to the crime itself. the only effects that are endemic to the act of robbery would be the act itself and the punishment exerted by the judicial system. to make your example make more sense, a better scenario would be the parent
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo committing robbery and the child being sent to federal prison for 50 years. In this scenario, (closely mirroring the original sin model, entirely intentionally) it is obvious how unjust such a punishment would be.
even if we take your original model, it still demonstrates nothing. the father's choice adversely effected the child. the father's choice is made EVEN MORE immoral by this externality.
i have not payed a cent to any church, or any theological institution. i suggest
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo you do the same.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo LOL...you really just used a bunch of words to say absolutely NOTHING. Apparently you have never made a bad decision or been effected by someone else's bad decision. Now let me break down my point into an Elementary form you may understand. You are 7 years old, your father and mother work, your father brings home 35k a year, mother 20k a year. Father does something stupid & goes to prison for 4 years. Now household has 20k income & not 55k per year. This shows a loss of 140k
vkwill 1 year ago
@kittehprimo over a period of 4 years. Now you as a child had no control over this. You see the effects of dad making a bad decision & losing 140k over the next 4 years. Now let's say your dad was Adam, mother was Eve. The judge/law maker is God. Is it God's fault your dad went to prison? Did God make your dad do something to go to prison? Now as a child who doesn't understand morality, you may blame the police or judge, or anyone else for sending your dad to prison but it was dad's decision.
vkwill 1 year ago
@kittehprimo well 1st off, you're comparing a mob boss to God, apples and oranges here buddy. Secondly why would I watch your video on morality? When did you become a voice of reason for morality? You can't even properly argue your point against Nephy so what leads me to believe you have the ability to effectively speak on something such as morality? Only way I would watch it is if you came out and said at the beginning, "I know nothing of morality, go read your Bible & see what God says".
vkwill 1 year ago
@kittehprimo caught then more than just you suffers. Let's say you have a wife and 2 kids. You are the main breadwinner for that household. Your wife and children become a by-product of the bad decision you made do they not? Children have no father, wife has no husband or breadwinner. This means the family doesn't have the luxuries previously experienced, may even mean welfare or homelessness. They suffer, but who made the bad decision? Maybe you should ask for your theology tuition back.
vkwill 1 year ago
why is it the smarter we become( that is in history, science, and possibly everything else) the more we dont believe in god. Why cant the brains and faith coexist. You do realize the only reason that guy an possible other christians get pissed with you is because your disrespecting them, and I dont mean in your uuh "evidence". Its the way you speak. And for goodness sake, there is nothing wrong with believing in god so why keep tearing him apart? I mean really?
JazzRockablity 1 year ago
@JazzRockablity its not a difference in tone. We present facts, and they cannot, they naturally start feeling foolish and inferior. Then they take 1 of 2 routes: make up their own facts to start feeling better (kent hovind) or call us amoral lying, thieving, murdering bastards who are atheists simple because we hate god and love sinning so much.
and by the way, there *is* something wrong with believing in an internally inconsistent entity. it opens the doors to chaos, something noone wants.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo but I dont get how believing in a god that tells you not to kill, not to cheat, not to lie etc. is so evil and bad. Sounds decent to me.... as for the ppl, atheists and christians who take the duty upon themselves to force there beliefs on anyone else is fucking pathetic. As for the tone, Im not even going to get into that, not dodging it. I just know how debaters use a certain tone to make them appear confident. Ummm yeah so good day. I'd say god bless, but I dont want offend you.
JazzRockablity 1 year ago
@JazzRockablity no, it wouldn't necessarily offend me, i would just take it like someone said "may the flying spaghetti monster bless you with his noodly appendages". i get the sentiment, but the statement itself is void.
the reason i dont take moral hints from yahweh is that, out of one side of his mouth, he says "do not kill", and out of the other he says rape is ok as long as you pay the girls father for the inconvenience, or that genocide is ok as long as a certain minority is in the way
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo rape and genocide are ok in the Bible? Where did you find that passage? Now I've seen where people raped and killed and were punished for doing so on more than 1 occasion, so what you're saying doesn't make any sense because God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Maybe you should throw your "theodicies" and personal beliefs out the window because at the end of the day you're still only using 10% of your brain and He created you & even states our thoughts aren't like His
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill "...and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Is.13:15-16)
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." (De. 2:34)
please, please read your Bible. That bit at the beginning is just as important as the fairy-man-deity at the end.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo the Isaiah reference was for Babylon, a nation that opposed God and the children of God and practiced idol worship, human sacrifice, baby sacrifice, bestiality, etc. If someone evil attacked your child would you not defend them? The 2nd passage was once again to God's chosen race, the Israelites, to whom He promised a certain land that was now inhabited by giants. Once again your point? It's easy to take 1 or 2 sentences and form a WRONG opinion as you have demonstrated here.
vkwill 1 year ago
@JazzRockablity god is, as i hopefully demonstrated in this video and in my "origins of morality" video (you should check it out), god ISNT the source of morality. its demonstrable fact. so, without god, where is morality from? im actually working on a script to answer that question, you should subscribe, and the video will be up in the next few days
may the force be with you.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@JazzRockablity I agree with u, but the thing is that we're not getting smarter, we just think we are. It's called pride and deception. Hmmmm, now who is the father of deception that became full of pride and was cast out of God's Kingdom? Yep you got it, ol satan. He is the god of this world now(notice the little "g") The Pyramid of Giza is the most perfect building created and it's over 5,000 years old and you know what? We can't recreate now, so they knew something back then, we don't now.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill we actually CAN replicate it now. we have built structures thousands of times more complex than the egyptians ever could. hell, we built SCULPTURES that are taller and more intricate, made of better materials than the egyptians or yes, even the israelites ever could. two examples are in one city for christ's sake. Empire State Building? Statue of Liberty? and if satan is a god, wouldnt that make you a polytheist?
if you have to live under a rock, please do so somewhere else
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo No...once again you are wrong. Our best engineers can't replicate the Pyramid. Engineers account a settling rate of 6 inches every 200 years. The White House has settled 5 inches since it was constructed. The Great Pyramid of Giza weighing 2.7 million lbs has only settled 1/2 inch in 5,000 years. World Trade Center was our crown jewel & it's gone. You don't think anyone has ever attacked Egypt? Empire State Building isn't as perfect as the Pyramid, do research before you speak.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill The White House was built on drained swampland; the Great Pyramid on solid bedrock. So no surprise the White House has settled more.
As far as the Great Pyramid being so durable... well, it's a BIG SOLID (almost solid) STONE STRUCTURE. And yes, we could easily duplicate it; but would the end result justify the time and expense? THERE'S your answer as to why we don't build such things today; we're not willing to build a huge monument which is USELESS except for superstitious rituals.
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb once again you're wrong. The pyramid was built in the desert. What's in the desert? Oh yea, that's right, SAND. Lots and lots of SAND!!! Sand everywhere!!! I've been to Washington D.C. and I visited the White House and you know what I didn't see? A swampland. I didn't see any alligators, snakes, or even bodies of water for that matter other than nearby lakes. That large STONE structure should settle then right? Ok, I'm gonna need you to research before you post anything else on here.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill Ever heard of the GIZA PLATEAU, dummy? IT IS A GEOLOGICAL ROCK FORMATION. The Pyramids were NOT built on sand!
The swamp that used to exist in DC was DRAINED 200 YEARS AGO.
I'd do the research you suggest, but reading crackpot "science" by the likes of Peter Heron(who thinks that "Nephilim" built the pyramids) does the same thing to your brain that cotton candy does to your teeth. Your posts are testimony to that.
Have a nice life. (And BTW, "The Flintstones" is NOT a documentary!)
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb LOL...so we're calling names now? The Giza Plateau is a rock formation of marl & limestone, the supposed "freemasons" were smart enough to build on a solid foundation 5,000 years ago, but 200 years ago "freemasons" just chose any place to build our nation's capital? Patrick Heron gives wonderful information as far as explaining what modern science can't explain. You seem to know so much why don't you do something useful with your life instead of being a Youtube professor of theology?
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill Hoo, boy...
*The Giza Plateau... "freemasons" were smart enough to build on a solid foundation 5,000 years ago, but 200 years ago freemasons just chose any place to build our nation's capital?*
-The Egyptians were Freemasons WTF?
*Patrick Heron gives wonderful information... modern science can't explain.*
-LOL so does Kent Hovind AKA "Dr. Dino" (EPIC FAIL)
*why don't you do something useful with your life instead of being a Youtube professor of theology?*
-Speak 4 yourself, numbnuts.
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb yes, according to archaeologists and theorists, freemasons built the pyramids genius. According to those same theorists that is why we have the pyramid and the all seeing eye on the back of our money because freemasons are believed to have built the structures around D.C. Dr. Dino? On to the next one. Like I said in my previous post people like you spout idiocracies until you find that you're wrong and make no sense so you resort to personal attacks. Once again I forgive you.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill I'm not going to argue with you anymore, chief. It gives me a dirty feeling, sort of like making fun of a Special Olympics "athlete" as he stumbles down a racetrack.
Just one thing though. You keep accusing me of spouting "idiocracies" (LOLOL!) A bit of advice my friend... invest in a thesaurus. (If you don't know what a thesaurus is, google it... I'm telling you RIGHT NOW though that Noah did NOT march them two-by-two on board the ark.)
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb well first off idiocracy is a sarcastic word, maybe you should watch the movie, "Idiocracy" and you will see what I mean by that. Secondly, the Bible never says Noah marched the animals 2 by 2, it says noah and his family boarded the ark and the animals loaded the ark 2 by 2 as commanded by God. Now the same God that created the Heavens and Earth and all that we see and can't see can easily make animals obey His will.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill I've seen that movie (it shows what the world will be like after superstitious uneducated goobers like you take over.) And why aren't you speaking ENGLISH like a normal person? You're using the word completely out of context, as a neologism. (Google "neologisms+mental illness"... the two are frequently associated.
For what it's worth, "idiocracy" means "rule by idiots." How you discombobulated that to mean "a stupid idea" I can only guess. (Probably your pastor uses it that way...)
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb LOL....if idiocracy means "rule by idiots", wouldn't idiocracies mean "rules by idiots"? Once again it was used in a sarcastic tone, if you want to get bent out of shape over the way I use a word after I utterly destroyed your feeble arguments that weren't even presented well, by all means my fine sir be my guest. The fact remains you got upset when I said something to your little friend answering his comment and you felt the need to jump in. You got an "S" on your chest or something?
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill You "destroyed" my arguments? LOL kiddo. You remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python's "The Holy Grail" after he's been successively deprived of all 4 limbs. You're the one who stumps for half-baked crackpot pseudo-science by the likes of Patrick Heron (if he's such a genius, why isn't the mainstream, published, peer-reviewed archaeological community bestowing honors on him, instead of treating him like they would Erich von Daniken, "Dr. Dino" Kent Hovind, and other such cranks?)
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb well if history serves us well, everyone thought Christopher Columbus was one of those half-baked crackot pseudo-science cranks, but we both experience how that scenario turned out. Looks like Black Knight 3, unbelieving neaderthal 0. Keep trying though, the Little Engine That Could never gave up and you shouldn't either LOL
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill I'm not trying to change your mind, I know better than that. Over centuries the Christian clergy have perfected the art of brainwashing children when they're young, and inoculating them against rational argumentation... as they obviously did with you. I have as much chance of deprogramming you, as I would of curing a "Night of the Living Dead" zombie of its affliction.
However, others may read this and watch you make an ignorant ass out of yourself.THERE'S the potential benefit, ya dig?
bjggjb 1 year ago
@vkwill Let us also not forget that Columbus had REASONABLE EVIDENCE to back up his claims (ancient Greek research by Archimedes and others.) Many people in Europe believed the world was round during his time.
What is the evidence for Heron's work? WHERE is the evidence? Did Heron allow the evidence to lead him to his conclusions, or did he start with a conclusion and then find "evidence" for it (like creationists typically do?)
Let me guess, you also believe in Bigfoot, witchcraft, and UFOS...
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb What evidence did Columbus have? Columbus had the same information the king & queen had, as well as their scientists. So Columbus was the only one to have research by Archimedes that proved the Earth was round & not flat? Maybe you need to re-write history books in America then because we glorify Columbus as the "Founder of our Nation" because he thought outside the box when everyone else thought the world was flat, he ventured out to prove them differently.
vkwill 1 year ago
@bjggjb Heron uses ancient texts such as the Book of Enoch, the Bible, Book of Jared, authors that have conducted studies on the pyramids. I suggest you read "The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse". The conclusion Heron started with is what is the significance of the Great Pyramid of Giza, who built it, and how. An unknown conclusion is what causes a person to search for "evidence". Columbus' conclusion was a great amount of water so he wanted to know what was on the other side.
vkwill 1 year ago
@bjggjb BTW, who mentioned the Flintstones? See that's what people like you do, they spout idiocracies when they're around their other idiot friends who just want to attempt to disprove what's been proven. Then when they have been proven wrong, they resort to name calling and pulling ignorant jargon from left field like Flintstone references. You know what, I'm gonna take a page from my Bible and say what Jesus said, "I forgive you for you know not what you do."
vkwill 1 year ago
@bjggjb what justified the expense in building it originally? What justifies putting a big HOLLYWOOD sign on a hill in California? What justifies building the World Trade Center when we have the Empire State Building near it? What justifies building the White House? The reason we don't recreate it is because we can't. The Pyramid is a perfect structure in its construction. Look up the youtube video from Patrick Heron regarding the Pyramid before you post anything else please.
vkwill 1 year ago
Nephilim says humans can't fathom the Christian god, so why does Nephilim presume to defend him/it? You can't say what he/it likes, doesn't like, or wants us to do!
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb exactly. nephy can do it, and may grant such powers to someone else, but no atheist could possibly know what god would want.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
@kittehprimo And neither can any Christian/Jew/Muslim know what "God" wants (assuming such an entity exists) unless you think a bunch of ancient, viciously barbaric goat herders who wiped their asses with their bare hands (and then ate without washing their hands) and were nearly as ignorant as the animals they herded, had "wisdom" which modern people "just don't have."
(BTW, modern archaeology suggests that King David, Solomon ect. never existed, so how much else in that stupid book is bunko?)
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb Why can't we know what God wants? He exists & tells us. The Ancients aren't as "dumb" as you think they are, that's just what you were taught in school so you believe it. No barbaric goat herder could devise or build a sculpture as perfect as the Pyramid. The math and science you learn in school was developed by these barbaric goat herders. The same constellations your horoscope is based on was developed by these goat herders. You know what you know from them, so who's the dumb one?
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill My HOROSCOPE??? Sorry but I don't believe in astrology, you superstitious twit.
Or ghosts. Or magic. Or werewolves, fairies... or gods.
Nice example you gave, the pyramids; never mind the Egyptians were a FAR CRY from the nomadic, flea-infested hillbillies who dreamed up your Abrahamic god. The scientific developments you mention were all the product of scholars in settled, high-level civilizations, some of which were non-theistic (as in the case of the Buddhists.) My comments stand.
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb hey, you know what? Your belief means absolutely nothing. For years Europeans BELIEVED the world was flat, did that stop the world from being a sphere? No. If the Egyptians were a far cry from those hillbillies, why were those Egyptians defeated by those hillbillies and were given all their spoils and NEVER recovered? You don't hear ANYTHING else about Egypt in history except for Cleopatra years later because they chose to fight the 1 True God.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill There's no archaeological evidence that the Exodus story is anything more than a fable. All that magical broo-haha with plagues of locusts, staffs turning into snakes, and firstborn sons being massacred, and the sea parting and drowning Ramses' army should be recorded somewhere, ESPECIALLY considering that the Egyptians pitilessly recorded EVERYTHING including their own military defeats, ect. BUT there's nary a peep about this epic event in ANY known Egyptian literature, WHY???
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb they didn't include EVERYTHING in records. Who built the pyramid then? What was the architect's name? You can't answer that, so therefore they didn't put EVERYTHING in their history. So you're waiting for archaelogical evidence huh? Where's the archaelogical evidence for the World Trade Center? 4,000 years from now if someone wanted to prove or disprove the existance of the World Trade Center they couldn't, Ground zero is bare. Where is Christopher Columbus' archaelogical evidence?
vkwill 1 year ago
@bjggjb Where is the archaelogical evidence of us fighting in the Vietnam War? LOL for that matter, where is the evidence for the Korean War, Desert Storm, or Desert Shield? My point is you will not always have archaelogical evidence for something & logically speaking at best archaeological evidence provides theories, not answers. We have archaeological evidence of the Pyramid of Giza & still can't reproduce it. We have evidence of giants & dinosaurs but most people don't believe in them.
vkwill 1 year ago
@bjggjb Those scientific developments mentioned were not the products of scholars in a settled, high-level civilization. The Great Pyramid is roughly 5,000 years old, that places it between the Stone Age & the Bronze Age. So you are telling me that Buddhists traveled from Asia to Africa just to build something for the Egyptians they didn't even have for themselves? Really? Where did they get the model? Would you trust someone to build something that never built it before? Once again you fail.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill And once again you display your total ignorance about history (Egypt had been unified as a nation for 500 years when the Great Pyramid was built.) I DIDN'T SAY the Buddhists traveled to Egypt to build the pyramids, or that they even existed at that time; like a typical dogmatist, you're taking me out of context. You're hopeless, dude; arguing with people like you serves only to put a superstitious fool on display.
Have a nice day, and be good or Santa will give you a lump of coal...
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb how does saying they were a unified nation prove my ignorance? You said the scientific accomplishments I mentioned with the Pyramid was from a settled, high-level civilization like the Buddhists. So my question is do you even read what you type? Do you understand what's coming across your screen? So you mean like a dogmatist, I'm taking you out of context in the same way you do God and the Bible? Oh no, it's totally wrong to do to you what you've done to others...LOL
vkwill 1 year ago
@sol3a1 good points
and he is a total retard, one of the worst kinds of people
kittehprimo 1 year ago
Nephy's god is a moron. How else could it be destroyed so quickly by two uneducated children? Face it, without knowledge nor experience, Adam and Eve were morons that Nephy's god left alone to be seduced by evil.
As a parent, if I would leave a loaded gun on a chair but instruct my kids not to touch and then go away (how can an omnipresent/omnipotent god "go away"?) and one picks it up and uses it, I should lose my kids for being a terrible parent, right?
What's this christian god's excuse?
sol3a1 1 year ago
@sol3a1 "As a parent, if I would leave a loaded gun on a chair but instruct my kids not to touch and then go away (how can an omnipresent/omnipotent god "go away"?) and one picks it up and uses it, I should lose my kids for being a terrible parent, right?"
I used this same argument (substituting a hand grenade on a chair for your pistol) in a college term paper. I then added "allowing Oilcan Harry into the playroom with the kids" to "God going fishing for a day."
I recall getting an "A"...
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb: Good for you. A grenade? Works just as well.
Oilcan Harry? Excellent.
sol3a1 1 year ago
@bjggjb Well the only thing about that is the extremity you took it to. No tree can be compared to a gun. God didn't put a weapon in the Garden and say don't touch it, He put a tree. As far as getting an "A" on a paper, that doesn't show the thesis was a "correct" thesis and paper, it just says you properly argued your point, no matter how wrong or right it is. In college I wrote a paper on how Oz was a Utopia and I got an "A" Does that mean Oz is a utopia? No I just proved my point well.
vkwill 1 year ago
@vkwill "He didn't put a gun in the garden, he put a tree." WEAK man, weak...
It could have been a can of sardines, so what? The EFFECT of putting that "yes, but" tree in the middle of what was supposedly paradise had the same result as a loaded gun or bomb (except that physical death wasn't immediate with the tree.) Got news for you buddy... you WOULDN'T have gotten an "A" on a term paper using that line of argument.
You'd be lucky to get a D-plus.
bjggjb 1 year ago
@bjggjb the tree in itself wasn't evil, the fact that they went against God's word & His commandment is why it's evil. God blatantly told them do not eat of the tree or you will surely die. The serpent said you won't die, you will be a god, thereby calling God a liar. Now creating a new species with something called free will would mean nothing if you didn't give them the chance to exercise free will. God knew they would fall, that's how He gave everyone involved their punishment so fast.
vkwill 1 year ago
@sol3a1 I'm sure you've never left a gun on a chair & said don't touch it, but you did leave something appealing to their sight & taste out in the open like maybe dessert. Most parents tell their children don't eat cake until you finish your meal, but you know what? Little Billy doesn't do that. Little Billy wants the cake because it is appealing to him & you told him not to eat it. Now beside the cake is a knife, does Billy pick the knife up and kill someone? No he doesn't. He cuts the cake.
vkwill 1 year ago
Hey Nephilimfree, why do you censor the posts on your site? I know why, you're a coward. That's okay, all apologists are. After all, how can anyone ever keep a straight face when you lose it?
sol3a1 1 year ago
Neph is clearly insane and has no idea what he's talking about but we've all known this for quite some time
zalarianamx 1 year ago
@zalarianamx Unfortunately our likely next president (Sarah Palin) believes in the same stuff Nephy does. (Insanity it is, but it is very POPULAR insanity apparently.)
bjggjb 1 year ago