@horse294 You think they should take a lovely, flying condition A-4 Skyhawk and pop it up on a pillar somewhere as a display instead, sitting out in the weather 365 days a year? Sorry I can't agree with that. I'd find one somewhere that was already grounded, at least, preferably in hopeless condition, and use that instead. For all the good one does up on a pillar like that, it might as well be a fiberglass mockup instead of a real plane.
I am happy to report that the A-4 Skyhawk that was so badly damaged is now fixed and on display back at the Main Gate at xNAS Alameda (Alameda Point) ...as of the 20 Dec 2011 just in time for the final tribute to the "Centennial Of Naval Aviation".
To all you armchair operators out there...this was a bad day but it was not UN-repairable ...2 months and 26 days from start to finish... that was with people who knew what they were doing!
@TIMSTQY Not saying that it's easy, but repairing an aircraft to a condition that looks good enough as a piece of decoration is not like repairing one to put back in the air. I'm guessing some people get the two mixed up. Still, doing it in a bit less than 3 months is quite a feat! Do you know where I might read more about the operation and how it was done, perchance?
@justforever96 I am well aware of airworthiness limitations...I am a certified aircraft mechanic/inspector/quality auditor.
What I am saying is that all repairs done were to "airworthy standards" not that it is an airworthy airframe or will ever be again...it was retired in 1969 for "high time"
I do know that it will now be up on display for another 40+ years because of the work that was done.(complete corrosion control)
About where you would get more info on it... ask me I did it
@TIMSTQY Sorry, I wasn't presuming to educate you on airworthiness requirements. I'm not sure what my point was, actually. Anyway, I was just asking because I'd be curious to see a step by step of how they did it. I find restoring old airplanes fascinating, like artwork sometimes (MAAM's P-61 was quite incredible, but that started as a WWII era wreck). For starters, how badly was it damaged? And did you use spare parts from another A-4, or make your own pieces, or what?
I am happy to report that the A-4 Skyhawk that was so badly damaged is now fixed and on display back at the Main Gate at xNAS Alameda (Alameda Point) ...as of the 20 Dec 2011 just in time for the final tribute to the "Centennial Of Naval Aviation" ...For all you negative people that want to question the human spirit...in your face !....it's done !
As one of the restorer's I was devastated by this, but as the Aircraft stands today...it has been totally restored again and will go back up this year (so much for that year to restore that was mentioned to KRON, tells me the "gentlemen" who said this had no idea what he was talking about) To all you folks that like act like "armchair quarterbacks" this was an unfortunate accident nothing more!
you were not there and do not know what was going on...I have to say that the crane folks have made this right and as it turns out this aircraft is actually better off than it would have been if this had not happened...it will probably be fit for display another 50+ years now !
It will be back up by years end and will look just as it is in this "inconsiderate " video ( the person sold it for $175. to the news media) thus making a profit off others misfortune...typical today!
A restored plane on a stick, isn't really much of a "restore". Pound out the dents, touch up the paint and it'll be good as...well, a plane on a stick.
@Kareldekorte2 Fail with a ludicrous amount of collateral damage. No wonder, apart from the lack of discipline and forethought they even allow tatoos in the US military now. The same happened in the Roman military right before their downfall.
you saved money on that one now did'nt you.. That simple pick would've been done correctly Had Union Ironworkers and a Union Operator been Hired.. What in the bald headed fuck. Look at the center pin to center of the load distance, waaaay overboomed YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN ON THE GRASS ON MATS or gotten a crane with a chart that can handle it out that far (of course thats more money and math both of which your short on)
At first I was alarmed about the soft, cushy grass, and the fact that the crane was on grass at all, but it appears that it was sitting on the street before toppling. Am I wrong? Why would you put a crane on grass, anyway when there's a nice, hard street?
@ProChoiceJesus the grass area around the pedestal is pretty wide circle which made for a long strech. There was a disagreement between the property management company and the restore team and crane company on which grass area the managment company was suppose to not water that week. They watered this side of the base. But I still think the crane operator has the final say of if and how he's going to do this lift
@ProChoiceJesus Actually its the opposite. looks like they didn't want the crane on the grass so they tried to make the pick from the street. The crane didn't have the capacity at that boom angle so it tipped over trying to reach the pedestal. They should have had the crane closer to the pedestal...in otherword on the grass. Dumbest rookie mistake a crane operator can make.
Skilled labor is not cheap...cheap labor is not skilled. I guarantee you this was a non union outfit. This is what happens when you get the cheapest company to do the work. Crane did not sound like it failed. Sounded to me like the operator paniced and gassed it too hard when he hit the pedestal. He/She didn't know what they were doing. Most likely not certified...
Everyone's an expert after the fact, but a few things there that are glaringly obvious. Nice cushy grass? goddamn he'd wanna have a nice spreader setup for his outriggers. Why was he lifting a such a reach? Should be as close in as possible without fouling. this was a cowboy job, I'm guessing they came in at absolute bottom dollar.
Never mind the entire lift was a disaster from the planning to the end result, why couldn't the camera operator get the crane in the picture instead of zooming in on the A-4?
the only thing crane operators have to know, is how much the crane can handle at a certain distance, and how much the load weighs. they should be arrested, slapped like a bitch, and charged with stupidity when this shit happens.
Can't make out the make of crane from that grainy Photo but this should never have happened with a well planed pick. The boom angle looked pretty darn low to try to get that radius and if they had a LMI they should have seen it approaching the load limit even if they didn't have an accurate weight of the load. We've all pushed the charts and worked cranes to near structural failure points or at least tipping points to get a job done and it's always sketchy if not stupid. Investing time in putti
@ GetUpOnIt4100 your right. Ground conditions are one of many varibles that can get you into trouble. Says right in the operators manual firm level ground. Lately I been running a 300 ton hydro first thing down are my mats 5' x 5' and sometimes that ain't enough. I never like to second guess an operator (wouldn't like it done to me).
As a NCCCO certified crane operator, The length of the chokers,the boom angle, and the radius he was attempting to set the jet at had nothing to do with it tipping,IF the cranes load chart said it was good for the weight then that isn't why it tipped. In the caption it said the soft ground gave way.
I agree as a journeyman ironworker the cranes boom was way tooo low and was toooo far away from the load. The crane should have been close to where they were sitting the jet and the boom should have been sticking wayyyy up. Also have 1 safety line in the front and back of the jet to move it around in place. I did not agree with the way they had it rigged neither. Way to short steel chokers. Also to close together. I wouldnt agree with it. The crane operator knows better. He is at fault.
camera work as bad as the crane work,,,,,did the driver abandon the crane ?..seemed like he had plenty of time to jib back and remedy the situation....lets put this down to inexperience on more than one persons part.....and do not employ this cameraman to do your wedding video....or your relatives may think they see you going down the aisle ........in a coffin...or being dipped in the font.....totally filming the wrong action ...!!!!!
Many things went wrong with the lift, Crane rating too low, crane to far away from load, sounded like mechanical failure of the crane. Also there were some still pictures that show one person looking down not paying attention. Just goes to show you when things go wrong they go wrong fast and you must be ready to act
@firegodscott In the Alameda Sun newspaper a couple days later. The property management company that over sees the former base said that there was a "miscommunication" about which gate to stop watering. But if your the crane operator and you see the supports on your crane sink into the ground when you extend them during your setup wouldn't you stop things and reexam the situation to make sure it's safe?
There goes his job
84LikeThor 6 days ago
Yep, perfect time for a lunch break.
repairdroid77 1 week ago
They could always ask the NZ Govt for another A4. They still have a number in flying condition
horse294 2 weeks ago
@horse294 You think they should take a lovely, flying condition A-4 Skyhawk and pop it up on a pillar somewhere as a display instead, sitting out in the weather 365 days a year? Sorry I can't agree with that. I'd find one somewhere that was already grounded, at least, preferably in hopeless condition, and use that instead. For all the good one does up on a pillar like that, it might as well be a fiberglass mockup instead of a real plane.
justforever96 1 week ago
Realy small crane and bad spot for wire .
bobilator1 1 month ago
I think I will start a crane service!!!
SalvationArmyWatcher 1 month ago
Thats coming out the paycheck, you break it you buy it, lol.
MrWati25 1 month ago
@xxzxxphoenixxzxx and the grass too...
marmidan 1 month ago
Dang, I guess the A4 will have to be restored again!
Makes me think of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode where Gordon has a major crash shortly after coming back from the works!
BramGroatFilms 1 month ago
Is it strange that I only feel sorry for the crane?
captainkmanOFP857 1 month ago
@captainkmanOFP857 Yes, quite strange, actually. (I was mostly worried about that poor pillar, myself).
justforever96 1 week ago
Does Gieco insure de-commissioned aircraft?
bluecoatscheesypoofs 1 month ago
I am happy to report that the A-4 Skyhawk that was so badly damaged is now fixed and on display back at the Main Gate at xNAS Alameda (Alameda Point) ...as of the 20 Dec 2011 just in time for the final tribute to the "Centennial Of Naval Aviation".
To all you armchair operators out there...this was a bad day but it was not UN-repairable ...2 months and 26 days from start to finish... that was with people who knew what they were doing!
TIMSTQY 2 months ago
@TIMSTQY Not saying that it's easy, but repairing an aircraft to a condition that looks good enough as a piece of decoration is not like repairing one to put back in the air. I'm guessing some people get the two mixed up. Still, doing it in a bit less than 3 months is quite a feat! Do you know where I might read more about the operation and how it was done, perchance?
justforever96 1 week ago
@justforever96 I am well aware of airworthiness limitations...I am a certified aircraft mechanic/inspector/quality auditor.
What I am saying is that all repairs done were to "airworthy standards" not that it is an airworthy airframe or will ever be again...it was retired in 1969 for "high time"
I do know that it will now be up on display for another 40+ years because of the work that was done.(complete corrosion control)
About where you would get more info on it... ask me I did it
TIMSTQY 1 week ago
@TIMSTQY Sorry, I wasn't presuming to educate you on airworthiness requirements. I'm not sure what my point was, actually. Anyway, I was just asking because I'd be curious to see a step by step of how they did it. I find restoring old airplanes fascinating, like artwork sometimes (MAAM's P-61 was quite incredible, but that started as a WWII era wreck). For starters, how badly was it damaged? And did you use spare parts from another A-4, or make your own pieces, or what?
justforever96 1 week ago
I am happy to report that the A-4 Skyhawk that was so badly damaged is now fixed and on display back at the Main Gate at xNAS Alameda (Alameda Point) ...as of the 20 Dec 2011 just in time for the final tribute to the "Centennial Of Naval Aviation" ...For all you negative people that want to question the human spirit...in your face !....it's done !
TIMSTQY 2 months ago
That'll buff right out
starguard 2 months ago
In my opinion, the mast is boomed out much too far.
You would be surprised how little could be lifted with the boom out this far.
Yes, he was able to lift it off the truck, but when he was SWINGING (turning) the load,
the dynamics may change very much, I have seen this before.
This lift I believe should never have taken place like that.
You ALWAYS try too get as close to the load as possible, never mind the damn grass.
22bernd1957 2 months ago 2
All set u got a check its up
gndzroirnwkr 2 months ago
RIP Headphone users.
GalacticMarine999 2 months ago
How about the bonehead that walks under the Cranes boom just before it falls. Sheeesh
KlrRaptoR 2 months ago
The silence afterwards said it all!!
benofkent 2 months ago
c'mon, Maverick and Goose could have just landed that A-4 on top of the pedestal.
bobbie4 2 months ago
I think the eagle needs a tear under his eye for that one.
cskillet2003 2 months ago
As one of the restorer's I was devastated by this, but as the Aircraft stands today...it has been totally restored again and will go back up this year (so much for that year to restore that was mentioned to KRON, tells me the "gentlemen" who said this had no idea what he was talking about) To all you folks that like act like "armchair quarterbacks" this was an unfortunate accident nothing more!
TIMSTQY 2 months ago
you were not there and do not know what was going on...I have to say that the crane folks have made this right and as it turns out this aircraft is actually better off than it would have been if this had not happened...it will probably be fit for display another 50+ years now !
It will be back up by years end and will look just as it is in this "inconsiderate " video ( the person sold it for $175. to the news media) thus making a profit off others misfortune...typical today!
TIMSTQY 2 months ago
@TIMSTQY Thanks Tim, miss you at the ship
dwcobb43 2 months ago
Fucking terrorist crane drivers
BUSTINMOVER1 2 months ago
god bless america. lol
usig00 2 months ago
That's what I want to be, a PROFESSIONAL CRANE OPERATOR.
Sure glad he doesn't work as a LOAD MASTER on a cargo plane...
4ucarlosmurphy 3 months ago
A restored plane on a stick, isn't really much of a "restore". Pound out the dents, touch up the paint and it'll be good as...well, a plane on a stick.
Postie218 3 months ago
another millwright doing an operators job?
rumpranger01 3 months ago
Reminds me of the war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.
TheCentralServices 3 months ago
@TheCentralServices Yes indeed, both completely fail although some would argue otherwise.
Kareldekorte2 3 months ago
@Kareldekorte2 Fail with a ludicrous amount of collateral damage. No wonder, apart from the lack of discipline and forethought they even allow tatoos in the US military now. The same happened in the Roman military right before their downfall.
TheCentralServices 3 months ago
More than likely was a union.To spoiled and lazy to set it up right, and of course never wrong. typical democrat
ironworker1969 3 months ago
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C7D8GM 3 months ago
@ironworker1969 - and clearly don't know shit about what just happened. Stick to tying rebar champ.
C7D8GM 3 months ago
LOL
takarlor12 3 months ago
Great camera work!!! This was filmed by a news crew???? Know how to pan out????
hoovermanuver1 3 months ago
brains and trains....guess they took the train......
duffmanohya3 3 months ago
long reach+weight=not a good outcome
73Shakes 3 months ago
you saved money on that one now did'nt you.. That simple pick would've been done correctly Had Union Ironworkers and a Union Operator been Hired.. What in the bald headed fuck. Look at the center pin to center of the load distance, waaaay overboomed YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN ON THE GRASS ON MATS or gotten a crane with a chart that can handle it out that far (of course thats more money and math both of which your short on)
sincityskywalker 3 months ago
.....That's IT......ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE FIRED!!!
townkevin59 3 months ago
What a pilot..
joshua3three 3 months ago
that happens when u send a rookie on a job!!!
elvergillas23 3 months ago
A good example of torque, and other stresses.
borderraven 3 months ago
At first I was alarmed about the soft, cushy grass, and the fact that the crane was on grass at all, but it appears that it was sitting on the street before toppling. Am I wrong? Why would you put a crane on grass, anyway when there's a nice, hard street?
ProChoiceJesus 3 months ago
@ProChoiceJesus the grass area around the pedestal is pretty wide circle which made for a long strech. There was a disagreement between the property management company and the restore team and crane company on which grass area the managment company was suppose to not water that week. They watered this side of the base. But I still think the crane operator has the final say of if and how he's going to do this lift
dwcobb43 3 months ago
@dwcobb43 he was way to far away.
lucy327rss 2 months ago
@dwcobb43
So wouldn't it be the Crane Operator's fault then if he had the say and chose not to go on the grass?
No idea on the rules and regulations on Crane operations-I work at a factory and I'm not allowed to even start a forklift-not certified
Sirvikrail 2 months ago
@dwcobb43 There was no disagreement at all ...they just turned off the wrong area...where do you get this information from ....a cracker jack box ?
TIMSTQY 1 week ago
@ProChoiceJesus Actually its the opposite. looks like they didn't want the crane on the grass so they tried to make the pick from the street. The crane didn't have the capacity at that boom angle so it tipped over trying to reach the pedestal. They should have had the crane closer to the pedestal...in otherword on the grass. Dumbest rookie mistake a crane operator can make.
lucy327rss 2 months ago
That was brutal.
hammerogod 3 months ago
I watched this 10 times and still laughed my ass off everytime.
kujal4 3 months ago
well, time to restore it again!
asshatnowhere159 3 months ago
Skilled labor is not cheap...cheap labor is not skilled. I guarantee you this was a non union outfit. This is what happens when you get the cheapest company to do the work. Crane did not sound like it failed. Sounded to me like the operator paniced and gassed it too hard when he hit the pedestal. He/She didn't know what they were doing. Most likely not certified...
ta5172 3 months ago
ROFL!!!
poyanator 3 months ago
Everyone's an expert after the fact, but a few things there that are glaringly obvious. Nice cushy grass? goddamn he'd wanna have a nice spreader setup for his outriggers. Why was he lifting a such a reach? Should be as close in as possible without fouling. this was a cowboy job, I'm guessing they came in at absolute bottom dollar.
OpeiGrafikka 3 months ago
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e081194eng 3 months ago
Never mind the entire lift was a disaster from the planning to the end result, why couldn't the camera operator get the crane in the picture instead of zooming in on the A-4?
islandcerts 3 months ago 12
@islandcerts No doubt, and he's so proud of his "production" that he even films himself at the end.
talrite 3 months ago
the only thing crane operators have to know, is how much the crane can handle at a certain distance, and how much the load weighs. they should be arrested, slapped like a bitch, and charged with stupidity when this shit happens.
odmcarp 3 months ago
HAHAHA
ip0dhater 3 months ago
Can't make out the make of crane from that grainy Photo but this should never have happened with a well planed pick. The boom angle looked pretty darn low to try to get that radius and if they had a LMI they should have seen it approaching the load limit even if they didn't have an accurate weight of the load. We've all pushed the charts and worked cranes to near structural failure points or at least tipping points to get a job done and it's always sketchy if not stupid. Investing time in putti
sandyt4343 4 months ago
somebody lost there job on this one
mollydog2626 4 months ago
Cranedrivers fault ,no doubt about that .
zzllen 4 months ago
This should be done to all weapons of war.
MooPotPie 4 months ago
Calm your tits everyone....that may just buff out.......
dshmechanic 4 months ago
looks better in that postition anyways hahaha climbing and banking to the right. the crane was tired so it's just takin a nap. NBD
hasnachos 4 months ago
un proffesional wankers.
488scooby 4 months ago
lol CAn do lol
uhfnutbar1 4 months ago
Hm.... Lowest bidder, just like your weapon, your body armor and your aircraft.
azimuth361 4 months ago
so many things wrong with this picture..... so i'll just get to the root '' operator was not properly trainned '' .
samsil8873 4 months ago
Nothing that a can of touch up paint won't fix
springfield03sniper 4 months ago
LoL what a bunch of hillbilly dumb@sses
XyleJKH 4 months ago
Always use the right crane for the lift.
anooseholay 4 months ago
Crane operator: "Did'nt U suppose to manage the outriggers, f-ing drunk retard amoeba?! U have destroyed an american peace of proudness, f-ing moron!"
Probationer employee: "I did, mate. U did'nt tell me, though, on which side of the bloody crane, so: Piss off f-ing w-nker!"
Camera guy: "Oh dear, I missed both to zoom out to get the crane during the incompetent lift, AND the following fight…"
MultiT66 4 months ago
so much for the restored part... thats really sad. looked great
cool5tuff 5 months ago
Someone obviously failed their OSHA training.
TheHolyMongolEmpire 5 months ago
When they fix the plane they should put a decal of a crane under the window and then put a cross through it.
cmeib 5 months ago
what a fucking retard operator!!
Abg2319 5 months ago
Silly people those americans !!!!!!
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Yeah, because you know, there arent any other stupid people in the rest of the world...
TheHolyMongolEmpire 5 months ago
Urkel was at the controls "did i do that?"
Sherpaful 5 months ago
not really thrilled with the camera work. Kept waiting for a wide shot to show what was happening to the crane. Didnt get it.
Sodiumreactor 5 months ago
That is unbelievable....I take more care jacking up my car!
Oh well.....I guess they have to re-restore it now.
2JAMMY 5 months ago
Everything must come down.....
voderick 5 months ago
$29 or two for $50!!!
harbours9 5 months ago
we have some a4's going cheap down he in New Zealand...
k1w1shooter 5 months ago
it was NRC with a 1976 grace crane, all info on this accident can be found on the internet also with some relly cool stil photos after the accident
hullchipper 5 months ago
Crane drivers fault. He should only lift after a thorough inspection of the ground conditions.
Oldfaithfullyours 6 months ago
This sucks!
ZanZaBar360 6 months ago
@ GetUpOnIt4100 your right. Ground conditions are one of many varibles that can get you into trouble. Says right in the operators manual firm level ground. Lately I been running a 300 ton hydro first thing down are my mats 5' x 5' and sometimes that ain't enough. I never like to second guess an operator (wouldn't like it done to me).
vlvette 6 months ago
As a NCCCO certified crane operator, The length of the chokers,the boom angle, and the radius he was attempting to set the jet at had nothing to do with it tipping,IF the cranes load chart said it was good for the weight then that isn't why it tipped. In the caption it said the soft ground gave way.
GetUpOnIt4100 6 months ago
I agree as a journeyman ironworker the cranes boom was way tooo low and was toooo far away from the load. The crane should have been close to where they were sitting the jet and the boom should have been sticking wayyyy up. Also have 1 safety line in the front and back of the jet to move it around in place. I did not agree with the way they had it rigged neither. Way to short steel chokers. Also to close together. I wouldnt agree with it. The crane operator knows better. He is at fault.
Irnwkr28 6 months ago
what is that screeching nose
parillo12 6 months ago
I bet the crane driver felt shit afterwards.OH n i guess it wont do the crane companys rep any good either.
edgopath 6 months ago
camera work as bad as the crane work,,,,,did the driver abandon the crane ?..seemed like he had plenty of time to jib back and remedy the situation....lets put this down to inexperience on more than one persons part.....and do not employ this cameraman to do your wedding video....or your relatives may think they see you going down the aisle ........in a coffin...or being dipped in the font.....totally filming the wrong action ...!!!!!
speedcrane 7 months ago
what company was this?
dubmatic808 7 months ago
@dubmatic808 not sure
dwcobb43 7 months ago
Many things went wrong with the lift, Crane rating too low, crane to far away from load, sounded like mechanical failure of the crane. Also there were some still pictures that show one person looking down not paying attention. Just goes to show you when things go wrong they go wrong fast and you must be ready to act
firegodscott 7 months ago
@firegodscott In the Alameda Sun newspaper a couple days later. The property management company that over sees the former base said that there was a "miscommunication" about which gate to stop watering. But if your the crane operator and you see the supports on your crane sink into the ground when you extend them during your setup wouldn't you stop things and reexam the situation to make sure it's safe?
dwcobb43 7 months ago 4
What a bunch of dildoes...........
MajorWatt 7 months ago
This sucks! Heartbreaking!! Someone did not do their homework.....
skyhawks4ever 7 months ago
aww thats gay, older brother allen worker on that jet :(
13crazyryan 8 months ago
point the camera at the god dam crane!
buddrinkerste 8 months ago
Now they can spend 4 years restoring it. It will give them somthing to do :)
gorilla199uncensored 8 months ago
My God!!!! What a disaster.
jkaposi 8 months ago