Why move over to a strong primary position? Just stop behind them. You don't have to stop almost right in front of the vehicle in the next lane, especially if it's a wide vehicle and needs a bit more than a single lane. It's not threatening you, you're just being inconsiderate to other road users.
Hmm, all too often when I used to stop next to the kerb a driver would come along and stop right next to me, leaving me no real space to get moving again. Just as when I'm in my car, I'm fully entitled to use all of the lane I'm in. I didn't cross into the lane that the truck was mostly in and he would not have been able to wait any closer to the stop line anyway. It's not about being inconsiderate to others, it's about making sure I'm safe and helping them avoid endangering me.
You didn't need to take a primary position for one vehicle (which will pull away faster).
And for goodness sake, if you're going to preach all this, use the damn cycle lanes.
Perhaps the HGV didn't expect you to suddenly leave leftmost position (no arm signals, I assume; as no lane change), and had to brake harder (braking with lots of tonnes ain't fun). His 'middle' position was probably so he didn't risk squashing you.
I took the primary here to guard against following motorists pulling alongside and trapping me against the kerb. If I had wanted to be in front of the car, I would have cycled around it while it was stopped. Most cars pull away slower than many cyclists, it's only when they get above 15-20 mph that cars will pass as they can keep accelerating but those making turns won't achieve their potential so I would have had to back off for them.
@kmcyc I've watched the video again with your reply in mind and I agree with you.
My mistake with my incorrect meaning of 'primary position', too.
That said, the lorry driver didn't know or misread your intentions. PP is a good thing, but can spell trouble with impatient or careless drivers (and I obviously don't need to tell you that!).
Many thanks for taking the time to look again and write back! :)
For sure, impatient and careless drivers may fail to understand why a cyclist moves away from the kerb. Unfortunately, you cannot please all of the people all of the time but personal safety has to be the primary consideration. I'll take the time to thank those who hang back or leave plenty of space. It's sad to note that this was a professional driver though who failed to read the road and who drove aggressively.
You clearly broke the law whilst riding like the self righteous idiot you are, at 1;24 you are clearly in a lane marked for right turn. YOU TOTALLY ignored the right turn arrow on the road (classed as a road sign). If you accidentally find yourself in the wrong lane you are obliged to comply with any direction signs or signals in that lane. You need to grow up and realise you're your OWN worst enemy.
@DelTangBrav I would have added (space permitting) that when you illegally moved from the right turn lane 1: 25 after ignoring the right turn sign, the video clearly shows you swung in front of the moving traffic you had just overtaken, it doesn't indicate you even looked over your shoulder though, Hope the police who you waste the time of see this video. - you're a danger to other road users!
When I moved back into the cycle lane, through a sizeable gap you can clearly see the camera move as I look over my shoulder. The camera has a narrow field of vision, while I am able to swivel my eyes in their sockets to see even further over my shoulder. Anyway, while we're on illegal moves, did you notice the two drivers who failed to stop for a red light at the end or had you stopped watching by then? Who kills folks on the roads? Cyclists? No, I think you'll find it's drivers.
It is illegal to sound your horn while stationary and it is illegal to use it to intimidate another. It is illegal to drive in a cycle lane and it is illegal to use your vehicle to threaten another. These are the actions of a "professional" driver, who I took sensible precautions to avoid when they became stuck in a traffic jam. When you're on a bike you don't have a safety cage around you so you create a safe place my making room between you and others.
@kmcyc He wasn't stationary when he used his horn he presumably thought you were about to move out IN FRONT OF HIM - even your INFO says he was FOLLOWING you. You had absolutely no right to be in the lane you swung out of at 1;25 unless turning right - you'd taken the right turn lane and should have taken it - Don't make stupid excuses you are a danger to other road users who chooses to only accept any rules that suit yourself.
The driver had no right to intimidate me with sounding his horn or by the gestures he made directly after. Nor did he have the right to intimidate by driving his articulated lorry across the cycle lane, after which he had to move across the road again to avoid a parked vehicle. I made a choice to pass on the RHS where there was room to avoid him if needed, where I could see what was ahead and where I could ride without having to take dangerous chances with an unpredictable driver.
@kmcyc You don't even know the correct rules regarding use oh horn = read the last line carefully:
112
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn While stationary on the road When driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
Yes thanks I'm familiar with Rule 112, which also states: "Never sound your horn aggressively." He knew full well I knew he was there, you can see my shoulder checks at the beginning of the video. A cyclist is hardly likely to haul across the path of an articulated lorry. Yet I am well within my rights to use the full width of the lane I'm in. My position behind that car at the lights was the safest place to wait.
@kmcyc How you can consider a warning beep of the very slightest duration "aggressive" does suggest paranoia. How you could say the lorry was stationary when anyone can see it had to be moving suggests you are either delusional or a liar.
A shame the camera wasn't able to show the driver, with all his abusive hand gestures to accompany the sounding of the horn. Ah well, nevermind, consider yourself lucky to be spared all that nonsense from let's not forget, a professional driver who wilfully uses his articulated lorry to intimidate those around him.
@kmcyc Pardon my ignorance but I presumed a helmet mounted camera a few inches from your eyes would show what you saw. So if you saw the aggression why didn't the camera ? Perhaps your camera isn't as paranoid as yourself. - I see you've now abandoned the pretence the lorry was stationary since it can virtually be proved from video it wasn't when he beeped his horn. His road position (nothing in front) indicates he genuinely thought you were going to ride in front of him.
No problem. I'll just remind you of what I said yesterday: the camera has a narrow field of vision that cannot compare to human eyes. So, let's consider what we can see: a professional driver deliberately moves into the cycle lane and two other drivers run a red traffic light. Your concern over my crossing a painted line, inconveniencing and endangering nobody seems to prevent you from recognising that motorists present a greater danger to any other class of road user.
@kmcyc It is obvious that a car is more of a threat to anyone it hits than a bike, this is little comfort to those crippled or killed by cyclists, I personally know two people (both pedestrians) severely injured by cycles. On another statistic there are far more car users and miles travelled by automobiles than cycles so it should be considered that most statistics don't take that into account and give a false picture
It is sad to hear that people you know have been injured on the roads by cyclists. Nobody likes dangerous road users, be they on 2, 4 or more wheels. However you will find it hard to convince anyone even with adjustments to compensate for modal share that cyclists cause the same number and same level of death and injury on the roads as motorists. The average speed and weight of a rider and their bike cannot compare to 1.5 tons of motorised metal in the capacity for causing damage.
@kmcyc The field of vision of the camera you use (it appears very wide angle) seems much greater than my peripheral or field of vision, If you look OVER your shoulder common sense suggests that the camera would show what is behind you (not just to the side) if it is mounted on head near eyes.
Ok, this I have explained to you before: the camera is fixed and cannot move, unlike my eyes which swivel in their sockets to provide a greater field of vision. Feel free to visit Veho's webite and read the specifications for yourself, where you'll see that the VCC-003-MUVI camera only has a 72 degree view: veho-uk com.
You are such a dickhead! cyclists remind me of the twat at school everyone wants to beat up and at lunch time he goes and stands with the dinner ladies and smiles at you because he feels protected with them. you're a grown man! grow a pair!!!!
How could he stay in the bike lane, if dickheads are always parked there, but actually yes, you should have been closer to the kerb... It is dangerous enough on that stretch of road to Ilford
Thanks for the comment. This road I find is a welcome relief to Seven Kings High Street, which I would have just recently travelled along! As for cycling closer to the kerb, that is actually more dangerous. There you are less visible to following traffic and have no space to your left if you need to avoid a dangerously close overtake. Riding further out also deters dangerous overtakes, which is why it is recommended by DoT, CTC and Cyclecraft.
I'm surprised you haven't been killed yet, you ride pretty recklessly and rarely use the cycle lane that's been provided for your own safety, instead seemingly preferring to ride in the middle of the road. Is that just to deliberately piss of drivers or just because you're ignorant and stupid?
None of the above. The trucker had already demonstrated to me that he didn't care for me being on the road at the same time as him and this lead me to believe he may not be so concerned for my safety. For that reason I avoided the cycle lane, which could have allowed him put me in grave danger had he tried a second time to block it. There was more space to take avoiding action if needed on his right, so I rode the middle of the road in safety. Common sense really.
I quite agree with you. It is a waste of money especially if those cycle lanes do nothing for rider safety. If that money is to be spent on cycling facilities, at least lets make sure they are of benefit to those for whom they are intended.
Cyclists aren't required to use cycle lanes, no, but they are there for convenience. You travel at maybe 20 mph if you're going a relaxed pace. If you're in the middle of the road you do cause a bit of a hold-up. It's not the law but it is considerate to other road users. Then you get into a lane meant for oncoming traffic to turn right (into a street on your left) and cycle over the cross-hatching to pass him. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't both acts offences, even for cyclists?
I'm generally perfectly content to use this cycle lane however when an artic has already moved into it after sounding their horn and showing me aggression while waiting at the lights, I'm not going to run the risk of riding on their LHS when there's an empty space to their right. Highway Code Rule 140 carries a legal requirement not to drive in cycle lanes, yet this professional driver felt the need to do so deliberately without reason. I'd rather be safe than sorry any day.
@kmcyc To be fair, he clearly drives into the cycle lane to make a point - had you been in the lane I doubt he would have made that point by crushing you. He was wrong to honk his horn - you were well within your rights and not inconveniencing anyone at the red light. Your use of the turning lanes and cross-hatching to make a point in return is unacceptable - those aren't "empty spaces" or overtake lanes, they're barriers.
I daresay you are right, had I been in that cycle lane he may not have driven into it but as he'd already shown aggression towards me I wasn't prepared to take a gamble with my safety by riding in the cycle lane. I could not see beyond the back of the trailer and would have no escape route should he decided to make a further statement with his lorry. Yet I could see a clear, empty space on the RHS where I could safely pass with room to spare.
@kmcyc That's fair enough, but if that's the case, don't overtake at all. The point of having a cycle isn't "filter at all costs", you still have to obey road signs. By cycling on the cross hatching you're actually committing the offence of failure to comply with road signs. The cross hatching isn't a special overtake lane for people who want to throw up the finger to other road users. Think of it as a physical barrier that can never be crossed.
I agree with you, it's not about "filter at all costs", feel free to watch my "Filtering Is Not Compulsory" or "Don't Be An Undertaker" videos, featuring riders who place themselves in unnecessary danger simply to move in front of one or two vehicles. I don't "throw the finger" to other road users either. Always keep calm, with a clear head you will react to situations better. I don't seek revenge on those who make mistakes, that invites further danger.
@kmcyc There are times when I can safely drive on the cross-hatching as a car user, but I don't, even if a driver ahead has offended me and I'm going to be sat in a queue for a while. If you want equal respect as a road user you have to follow all the rules yourself. If you don't feel safe overtaking legally, don't overtake - don't try to justify an illegal overtake by claiming it was safe anyway, you're not entitled to make those judgements.
While the chevrons should generally be avoided, with a broken line it is not illegal to move into that area. When I took my motorbike licence, on the test itself, the examiner came onto the radio to ask why I was waiting behind stopped traffic when I could have made progress over a chevron with a broken white line. When I use the road, I draw on my experiences from other modes of transport and try to see things from another's point of view.
@kmcyc You are now saying you didn't bother learning what the broken lines meant BEFORE you took your test, that's the trouble with people who think they know it all - they often know **** all. You commit at least one obvious road traffic offence in this video. Telling a magistrate or judge that others (in your opinion) had committed some wouldn't help you in any court.
Not at all. I took the time to prepare for the theory test, which I passed with full marks. I don't claim to "know it all", and on the day of the practical test, nobody does - it's only after they pass and start using the road without their instructor to guide them that the real lessons begin. I've been cycling for 16 years and have learned the safest thing to do with an unpredictable driver is create plenty of space and avoid riding where you cannot see ahead.
@Blueman2805 That's my opinion too, he has little respect for other road users I saw one video where a passing car is not allowed to complete the manoeuvre and is forced to drop back or risk a head on crash, in circumstances like that it doesn't matter who's in the wrong considerate road users don't put other's lives at risk. He thought he was clever almost "undertaking" that car.
LOL, I have plenty of respect for everyone on the roads, sadly too many motorists have no respect for folks who aren't strapped into metal boxes. I've no idea which video you're referring to, there are so many incidents where a driver has tried to overtake when it isn't possible and has had to accept they need to slow down to avoid causing an accident. Remember, it is motorists who are responsible for so many deaths on the roads. They speed, drive drunk, run lights, need I go on?
After reviewing several of your video's now, I have come to the conclusion you a one of "those" cyclists who believe you have the right of way reagardless of other traffic. My honest opinion of your attitude towards the roads and specifically road positioning would not be easily expressed in such a small area. i regularly drive in European cities where cyclists have far greater priority on the roads, but by some of the actions displayed by your videos I'm amazed you have not had serious injury ?
If only cyclists here enjoyed "greater priority on the roads" perhaps it wouldn't be necessary to take stronger road positions to counter dangerous driving. No, I don't believe I have right of way always. If you are genuinely interested, try watching my Filtering Is Not Compulsory or Don't Be An Undertaker videos, where I try to show when it is not appropriate to ride while being "regardless of other traffic". And no, I have not had a serious injury.
@kmcyc You are making assumptions about a vehicles action (hgv) based on what knowledge? The vehicle in front has right of way (highway code) your duty as a fellow road user is to be courteous to other road users ? Not obstructive, i have had many cyclists who think they can out accelerate me, then to become an obstruction because they can't ? Look forward to meeting you on the roads... i will give you the clip you are hunting for.. the one you go to hospital in cos the driver belts you ;)
"The vehicle in front has right of way" (can't find the HC Rule you're referring to). I was in front, so why did the HGV driver feel the need to sound his horn? Rule 140 includes "Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable", yet this licenced HGV driver went ahead and did just that deliberately. And finally, where did this driver get to in that traffic jam we could all see ahead? Obstruction? Other motorists more like.
Have you read the comments on "road tax" already on here? Or those regarding use of cycle lanes? The former doesn't exist and cyclists aren't required to use cycle lanes. Vehicle Tax, whatever it's name doesn't have anything to do with the right to use public roads, it's based on the emissions a vehicle produces. Band A cars, like cyclists produce low enough emissions to be exempt from paying. The difference between Band A cars and cyclists is that only the former add to congestion.
it certainly does look like you ride like a nob, i bet you wear lycra and shave your legs too, i'd have stuck tortillia's to my tyres and made you into burrito's....trucker power!
I ride defensively as all too often there are drivers like the one featured here and it seems from your comment, you, who are content to endanger someone else just because they use pedal power instead of an engine to get from A to B. If that means avoiding cycle lanes to ensure a safe distance from motorists who've shown no regard for my right to use the road safely then so be it. And dare I say it? Pedal power!
There would have been no issue had you showed a basic knowledge of roadcraft and operated yourself with due consideration for other road users? Your actions ,merely display the often shown curse of the cyclist, imapatience. The car turning left would have accelorated faster than yourself leaving you with NO reason to impede the planned route of the HGV driver,?You simply set out to be awkward, lucky for you most HGV drivers (myself included) are used to muppets who annoy, so we ignore you clown!
My roadcraft and patience suggested the best place to wait for the light was behind the left turning car, lack of either would have placed me ahead of it. I'll often accelerate faster than cars from a standing start up to about 15-20 mph. It's generally once the driver shifts to 2nd gear their car will pass me. As for those turning, they won't have the chance to accelerate to their potential so I would've had a back off anyway. Impede the trucker? Hardly. He had space to pass.
@kmcyc As previously stated , your concerns are based (understanably) on your own wishes to move through the traffic system, with such amazing roadcraft as you are claiming, why not freewheel until the car had turned and cleared your path? would have achieved free movement without the need for you to change road position at all? You looked over your shoulder then swerved "towards" the wagon for no reason other then video footage, wonder why motoring folk have issue with this kind of behaviour?
My knowledge of the timing of these lights meant that freewheeling until the car had turned would have meant travelling so slowly I'd be in danger of getting run over from behind. So I moved into a safe place to wait behind and that meant moving to the right of the lane I was in. Had I been in my car, I would have occupied that space anyway. The trucker and I both knew the other was there. He, like you it seems, just wanted me to be closer to the kerb.
because you pulled to far to the right. If the car in front was going left and you didnt want a car to pull up beside you. Logic says you pull over to the centre of that lane and wait BEHIND the turning left car. Not move nearly in the other lane.
Has it occured to you that was not an agressive use of the horn but a warning to a cyclist not fitted with rear view mirrors who had not looked behind before moving across the lane ?
And might I also suggest you try driving an artic in towns and examine the actions of cyclists pedestrians and other cars before lambasting people with your holier than thou videos?
No not really. So you didn't see my head turning several times to check behind BEFORE the horn was sounded?
Please note that I've no problem with artic, bus, taxi or white van drivers, all of whom I realise are performing important work, sometimes in difficult circumstances. However, there are individuals who may be in any type of vehicle from private cars to trucks who give other road users a hard time. It's easier to take a pop at a cyclist than anyone else on the road.
I used the logic that by moving away from the kerb to wait behind the left turning car I would be safe from having another driver pull alongside me in the same lane. The idea being to mitigate the risk of having a vehicle in close proximity when the time came to set off again. For ensuring my safety I get a horn blast followed by rude hand gestures from the trucker who then drives aggressively. How is that "trying to cause trouble"?
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn
while stationary on the road
when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
I suggest you aren't worried so much about putting yourself into a dangerous position on the road, more, you like antagonizing drivers to get a reaction. You're a road troll, it's obvious to any intelligent person to see.
My riding here was, as it always is, to position myself with the greatest number of options available to avoid danger. I certainly do not go out to antagonize other road users, say by sounding my horn or making rude gestures as per the trucker. Had he not tried to intimidate me for waiting safely behind that left turning car I may have felt the cycle lane was a safe enough option. The way he drove into it lead me to believe there were safer options available that morning.
You were cycling in the middle of the lane through the entire video. Then, just after the hatched chevron, you pass a right over a right-turn only lane — don't you think that was dangerous for yourself as a driver could have easily moved over there without looking or signaling? Plus cycling down the middle of the road you don't think is a little dangerous?
Yes, in the middle of the lane, leaving the other lane available for the trucker to overtake safely, while dissuading him (or anyone else for that matter) from overtaking me in the same lane as there wouldn't be room to make that pass safely. Where did you see the sign that make it a "right-turn only" lane? It's a filter lane but not a mandatory turn. Even so, it turns into a minor side street and if someone wanted to drive there, they'd have moved into that area before I arrived.
next time look on the nearside of the trailer for a red button pull that out and thats his trailer brake he'll have to get out and push it back in before it will move.
Come on now... He thought that you were going to enter his lane right in front of him. People do stupid stuff like that. Behind the wheel of a lorry you get pretty nervous when you don't know the intentions of unprotected traffic. Bikers tend to get pretty defensive when somebody does something against them it seems
I doubt it. Sadly the camera didn't pick up all the hand gestures and pointing at the kerb. He knew I knew he was there, had I wanted to move into lane 2 I would have signalled. The horn and subsequent driving manners show how he was trying to intimidate - he certainly didn't show any nervousness. You are right though about riders being defensive. That's what I was doing when I positioned myself behind the stopped car. I made sure I wouldn't have someone jamming me into the kerb.
Push bikers... if you choose that mode of transport be aware that you might upset other road users due to the fact you're always in the way and feel you need to prove a point all the time. You deserved a toot of the horn, you had nothing to gain from being in that lane.
Good grief! If a motorist gets upset when another road user is in their way, they surely need to calm down! There are always going to be people (pedestrians, bikes, cars, buses, lorries, etc) in the way. Re the "toot of the horn", Highway Code 112 "You must not use your horn while stationary on the road..." My position improved my safety: I was more visible and it was less likely that a driver would pull up alongside me, which could make it difficult when setting off again.
What? And run the risk of passing this driver on the left with nowhere to go if he decides to cut me off? He's already shown his aggression towards me by sounding his horn, showing rude hand gestures and running his truck in the cycle lane. It's not compulsory for cyclists to use cycle lanes (Highway Code 61 & 63) and it is far safer to overtake than to undertake. Why should I endanger myself just to keep another happy?
Road Tax: abolished in 1937. Vehicle Excise Duty: tax based on emissions. Bicycles, Band A cars: 0 emissions, 0 VED. My car: Band K, higher rate of VED. Presumably you don't listen to the views of Band A drivers on road safety either? Or pedestrians? Maintenance of roads funded by General Taxation. Damage to road caused by bikes: 0. BTW, I also pay the higher rate of Income Tax, so I pay my way thanks.
@kmcyc If i do not use my car all year and leave it stationary in the road therefore producing ZERO emissions it will still have to be taxed. It IS a road tax and no1 is gona agree with you, you lot are hated not just for that reason, but the sheer arrogance and selfishness on the road, like taking up much more room than you need and also running red lights, turning right wherever you please, etc..
Right and what exactly does any form of tax have to do with road safety? If you own a vehicle you are not planning to use and don't want to pay VED for it, simply park it off the public road and make a SORN declaration. It's that easy. Arrogance? Really? You know that motorists are the largest group of consistent law-breakers in society? Speeding, hand-held phone use, drunk driving, uninsured, unlicensed, need I go on? They are also responsible for the majority of deaths on the roads.
@kmcyc Talk about road safety when you do not overtake on the right with the no overtaking markings on the road, also weaving in and out of traffic when there was no need to as the cycle lane is on the left. When you mugs use the road correctly and stop thinking because you wear ridiculous clothes you can run red lights and move all over the road as you please then maybe we would give a fuck what you think.
Where do you see "no overtaking markings" on this road? I'm not going to risk passing that lorry on the left given the way the driver has already tried to intimidate, you cannot see past the trailer so you don't know what you're riding into. Perhaps when drivers also use the road correctly we can all enjoy safer roads. Cycle wear is designed to be comfortable while riding and colourful to aid drivers who often fail to spot riders. Like most riders I stop for red lights as evidenced here.
Oh well that's simple enough. You have two options: 1, rent a garage or off-road parking space. 2, if you really can't afford to keep your car that you are not planning on using, sell it. You could use the money you've saved on a bus pass or even a bicycle!
The car had turned off @ 0:30. After that your road positioning was shit & you wonder why people trying to do their job get pissed off with you. By the way, you're not supposed to ride over the chevrons & GET IN THE FUCKING CYCLE LANE. There isn't much else you could have done wrong in 2 minutes & 9 seconds!
So already aware there is an aggressive driver behind me, who happens to be in charge of an articulated lorry, I made sure I had plenty of room to my left in case he decided to try bullying me off the road. I'm only thinking of my personal safety here. There is a broken line on those chevrons. When I took my bike test, my instructor told me off for not filtering on a chevron with broken lines.
@kmcyc In fairness having looked again, the chevrons are surrounded by a broken line (not a solid line) so you can enter if safe to do so but you're weaving all over the place, man. You don't use the cycle lane and that will piss of car users more than anything. You ride aggressively & you also jumped an amber light @ 1:52. Cyclists moan when cars block the cycle lanes so what do you expect from drivers when you refuse to use them?
Thanks for replying to the broken lines comment. As for weaving, I made two single moves: one to the right and another to the left some time later. Hardly weaving and given the previous and lack of vision beside the truck I wasn't keen on passing him on the left. Re the lights, you'll note I was about 2 metres from then when the amber showed. Do you really think I could have stopped in time? How about R278 YJD and EY04 YZZ, who pass me after the lights yet were passed at 1:40?
@kmcyc I'm not suggesting R278YJD & EY04YZZ are right but that doesn't excuse you. If you're posting videos highlighting other people's msitakes, bad driving & aggression, you surely have to be squeaky clean yourself & ride impeccably & by the book. I think you could have stopped in time at the lights because you should have anticipated the change & it's not like you're stopping a ton of metal, is it? You ride like you're in a race.
You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
Braking distances may be different for bikes but thinking distance is the same. Now, had I stopped with those two drivers following (at least one on red) would I still be here? 2 metres is not enough to stop safely.
Re blocked cycle lanes: sure it may be irritating to cyclists when drivers block them but if they are not safe to ride in, then cyclists should not be riding in them, regardless of what others may think. Why should a rider endanger themselves simply to appease a driver?
the reason that he moved in to the cycle lane is because you cant steer a 45ft lorry like a car so we need much more of the road than other road users, he also may have done what i some times do which is to toot at cycles to let then know we have seen you as it is quit common for cycles to sit right under the front of our units which makes it near impossable to see them if he really wanted to intimadate he would have done much more
I avoid sitting "under the front" of units for precisely that reason. If I am in that situation I smile and wave to the driver to be sure we know each other is there. Bus drivers too and I often find them rather chatty at the lights. This one came from behind with a clear view of me though, and followed the toot with some offensive hand gestures, so I doubt he was trying to make friends with me.
@kmcyc well if u dont like the way others drive walk and quit being a grump push bikes are getting in the way more and more theses days and the riders think they have the right to do what they like when they like if it wasnt for lorries the country would grind to a halt in a matter of days
Please do not think for one minute that I have no respect for lorry drivers up and down the country. Without them we wouldn't be able to enjoy the life we lead today. I have no axe to grind against any stereotype of driver: lorry, bus, taxi, van (even white ones) or private cars. As a professional driver you must know as well as I there are plenty of good drivers out there. However, like me you must also know there are a some poor ones. Does that stop you driving?
@kmcyc fair point there are plenty of numptys in all kind of vehicles and i have seen my fair share of them lorry drivers just seem to get a bit more grief than the rest people seem to think we are an easy target for blaming not than i,m saying thats what your doing i can get a bit frustrating at time and by no means am i tarring you with same brush as other cyclists i do apoligise for my moaning i do get a bit carried away at times i,m sure you have a very valid complaint keep safe on the roads
No problem mate. I know all too well how this group of road user or that group of road user often takes stick from someone else. End of the day, we're all just trying to get where we are going with the minimum of fuss. When you're out on the road you have to keep your wits about you, whatever you drive or ride. Things can go wrong in a blink of an eye and it's not always your fault. On a bike it'll probably hurt more though! ;) Stay safe yourself!
On the approach to the lights? Yes clearly the painted lane is narrower than the lorry, I was simply making a joke while he was just being rude. My position behind the car was to ensure no other drivers waited beside me, which would have made pulling away from the lights dangerous.
Thanks for your comment. I feel an entitlement to use the road safely if that's what you mean. If that means leaving the cycle lane then so be it. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory (Highway Code 61 & 63) and may not make your journey safer.
@kmcyc you may think your useing the road safely but lets face it your not ! you think because your on a bike you have right of way above cars and that they have to stop for you and you alone ! on lots of your videos your are the cause of most of your problems due to being purely ignorant towards other road users.
"You may think your useing the road safely". Well, I make it to my destination unscathed without causing or being involved in accidents. I do not think I have right of way above anyone unless I'm in a lane with priority over other lanes, in which case I have as much right to proceed as those also in that lane. I am aware that many drivers fail to see bikes and that, IME tends to cause a lot of the incidents I see.
@kmcyc In fairness to jaketaylor15 though, you are one of these provocative cyclists who always seems to be looking to cause some sort of altercation on the road. As a cyclist myself there are some times in some of your videos where you are in the right, but in some of your other videos you just get gobby with people for no reason. Also, you're right - you are not obliged to use the cycle lane the WHOLE time, but you seem to use it none of the time, which understandably gets on peoples nerves.
Sorry one last comment (can't help myself), look how far in the middle of the road you are after the traffic lights! It's ridiculous and unnecessary; there is no need for you to be that central as a cyclist. Then you veer across the road and overtake the truck, when the road markings clearly indicate 'no overtaking', before cutting back into traffic. Talk about hypocritical...
The artic driver had already shown me he was aggressive and so to me that means unpredictable too. I made sure to leave myself plenty of space to my left in case he tried to move across my path. This is for my own safety. Which lines "clearly indicate 'no overtaking'"? There are no solid lines painted, so there's no restriction on crossing them.
as a trucker myself i spent alot of time in built up areas the numpty on the bike should learn a bit about driving a 45 foot lorry that is 8 feet wide we have blind spots that people never think about we need more room on the road than others the cyclist should have stayed at his side and returned to the cycle lane straight away in stead of being a smart arse you cyclist dont pay anything towards the roads no tax ,mot or insurance lorrys pay more than everyone esle and lorrys are needed daily
Thanks for commenting and sharing your experiences. The driver knew full well I was there as he pulled up behind me but could you please explain why it was he moved into the cycle lane after passing me? Especially as he had to move right again to pass the parked vehicle. This is not about taxation, this is about road safety and an attempt at intimidation but for the record I pay Band K VED and the higher rate of income tax so pay plenty for the roads.
Have you ever tried towing a 40 ft long trailer......it only follows the unit and when he drove round you because you were in the motoring lane the trailer followed and has encroached onto the cycle lane....to be fair you were in the motoring lane for far longer than he was in the cycle lane.
Yes I understand the principle of towing a trailer. As for "encroached onto the cycle lane" why did he move left in the first place? The road was plenty wide enough and he had to move right again to avoid the parked van. No my friend, from the honk of the horn to the move into the cycle lane this driver was trying to intimidate all the way. Cyclists are not required to ride in cycle lanes. Overtakers are required to overtake safely. This includes riders passing parked vehicles.
@kmcyc A fair point that you have the right not to use the cycle lane if you wish but if you were usung it then the other road users wouldnt get annoyed that you were holding them up and also i would think yourself lucky that there was a cycle lane at all.
Take another look and perhaps you'll see who was holding who up. Initially, the trucker delayed my start from the lights with his distracting tirade. However, what many people seem oblivious to is the fact that it's mainly other motorists who hold up road users. Try counting the number of vehicles I leave behind.
That's a very good point. In fact I'd ask what's the point of cycle lanes that do nothing to improve rider safety? Councils are keen to install them for their green credentials but they often do nothing to improve cycling. The CTC campaigned for amendments to rules 61 and 63, which state cycle lane use is not compulsory precisely because so many cycle lanes are a danger to cyclists. A better idea would be separated, off-road cycle lanes but none exist on my route.
A major problem is stupid Councils who try to prove their green credentials by putting in cycle lanes where the road is simply not wide enough! At the point where the truck's nearside wheels are in the cycle lane there are road markings for two lanes of vehicles and a cycle lane, but it is physically impossible for two vehicles and a cyclist to fit in the available space unless they are within a couple of inches of each other.
you had no reason to move just stay behind car. lorry tooted probably to make sure you knew he was there because he prob thought you were being unpredictable moving around all over the place
Sure I had reason to move out from the kerb behind that car. Stay next to the kerb and before long another driver will pull alongside you, giving you no space at all for when the lights turn green. I'm not holding anyone up there, as the light is red. Moving around all the place? Hardly. I took up no more of the lane than a driver would have. No, this trucker was trying to intimidate otherwise why use the horn at all? His engine makes enough noise to inform me he is there.
Well to begin with I positioned myself to be visible to anyone following the left turning car. When the trucker honks his displeasure, you'll note the discontinuation of the cycle lane. After the lights, concerned that he might just swerve across left I made sure to stay right, giving myself an escape. Turns out he did move left. So why then would I want to risk using the cycle lane next to a trucker like that? It is not compulsory for cyclists to use the cycle lanes.
Certainly not a bad idea to add the registration number of the offending vehicle in the video tags. 1 other road users may be able to spot these vehicles on their travels and know that the driver may be unpredictable or dangerous. 2 the driver may stumble across the video and see the incident they caused from another's POV and so learn how to drive better around others.
As I pointed out to you yesterday on another thread, if a plate appears on this channel then it is likely that the driver did something stupid, dangerous, illegal or all three. In which case they are also reported to the police.
Cyclists are entitled to use the main part of the road, just the same as motorists. When moving into the lane at a pinch-point to deter silly dangerous overtakes for their own safety, cyclists are not inciting road rage. They are making it clear to following motorists that overtakes in narrow spaces are not on. These moments last very briefly and when the road opens, cyclists move over and motorists are able to pass them safely. Nobody gets cross because nobody gets held up.
Remember folks that use of cycle lanes is not compulsory. Better to ride further from the kerb to be more visible and to ensure there is room to manoeuvre around obstacles and other road users who encroach into your space. Always obey traffic signals and stop for red lights. When the road narrows, check behind and then move into the lane to deter dangerous overtakes.
Please, provide me with a list of laws that were broken in this video. Here, I'll give you one for a starter: Highway Code Rule 112. Oh wait, I'm wrong, the trucker was still moving and so was not breaking a law sounding their horn in that aggressive manner. Perhaps if people like him would stay out of our "special little 'bike lane'" and if they were better maintained and basically more usable and safe, perhaps cyclists would use them more often.
Pointless putting in ridiculous tiny and dangerous cycle lanes that cyclists avoid for their own safety. Why not do the job properly and provide separate cycling facilities as they do in Holland? In the meantime, I will ride in a prominent position, where I am fully visible to following traffic, have space to avoid potholes and drivers who come too close. And why would I put myself in danger when a trucker deliberately drives through a cycle lane when there is more space to the right?
Not being Funny here, but why did you have to move over, why not just sit behind the Car and wait for him to turn left and then carry on, why put yourself into a Potentially Hazardous situation when there"s no need to. Another thing, stick to the Cycle Lane, that"s what it"s there for. No wonder We as Cyclist get a Bad Name, try and make an effort to stay out of peoples way instead of them having to avoid you. I"ve Watched a few of your Videos and a Lot of your Cycling is very Confrontational.
Moving into the lane to wait behind the car I'm more visible to those following and deters another driver from pulling alongside. Hence it is safer. I use cycle lanes when they are safe but am aware that their use is not compulsory and refuse to use them when I consider them to be more dangerous than joining the main part of the road. When there is adequate space I keep left and allow space for overtakes. When there is not I take the lane as recommended by the CTC and Bikeability.
IMO cyclists do a lot to gain a bad name by ignoring red traffic lights, cycling on the foot path, riding the wrong way down one-way streets. These are the reasons why non-cyclists dislike cyclists.
@relmmih6 Really? This cyclist did nothing wrong, it is actually advised by the Department of Transport to 'take the lane' at junctions and traffic lights. Keeping to the left is not a legal obligation.
The only menace and breaking of the law was completely with the truck driver, who failed to yield for a vulnerable road user and used his horn to intimidate - which is illegal.
This incident occured because of the truck drivers ignorance and impatience, he should not be on the road.
@relmmih6 A lot of cycle commuters in London have helmet cameras for their own protection, it is unfortunately drivers like this who are the reason we wear them.
If London wasn't full of inconsiderate and dangerous drivers, I wouldn't wear a helmet camera, but it is and this type of footage helps the police convict drivers of dangerous driving; rightly so.
Seems like good sensible cycling on your part. Was there any indication on the lorry as to who owned it? I hope there was so that you can e mail this clip to them.
Thanks. I felt that moving out into the lane would make it easier for following drivers to see me, especially if I needed to pass parked vehicles, which are commonly found after these lights.
@kmcyc Well, it's certainly not a spot where you want a truck alongside, or where a professional truck driving would pull alongside, so taking the lane makes all the sense in the world.
Why move over to a strong primary position? Just stop behind them. You don't have to stop almost right in front of the vehicle in the next lane, especially if it's a wide vehicle and needs a bit more than a single lane. It's not threatening you, you're just being inconsiderate to other road users.
delPigeon 5 days ago
@delPigeon
Hmm, all too often when I used to stop next to the kerb a driver would come along and stop right next to me, leaving me no real space to get moving again. Just as when I'm in my car, I'm fully entitled to use all of the lane I'm in. I didn't cross into the lane that the truck was mostly in and he would not have been able to wait any closer to the stop line anyway. It's not about being inconsiderate to others, it's about making sure I'm safe and helping them avoid endangering me.
kmcyc 5 days ago
You didn't need to take a primary position for one vehicle (which will pull away faster).
And for goodness sake, if you're going to preach all this, use the damn cycle lanes.
Perhaps the HGV didn't expect you to suddenly leave leftmost position (no arm signals, I assume; as no lane change), and had to brake harder (braking with lots of tonnes ain't fun). His 'middle' position was probably so he didn't risk squashing you.
Katrini89 1 week ago
@Katrini89
I took the primary here to guard against following motorists pulling alongside and trapping me against the kerb. If I had wanted to be in front of the car, I would have cycled around it while it was stopped. Most cars pull away slower than many cyclists, it's only when they get above 15-20 mph that cars will pass as they can keep accelerating but those making turns won't achieve their potential so I would have had to back off for them.
kmcyc 6 days ago
@kmcyc I've watched the video again with your reply in mind and I agree with you.
My mistake with my incorrect meaning of 'primary position', too.
That said, the lorry driver didn't know or misread your intentions. PP is a good thing, but can spell trouble with impatient or careless drivers (and I obviously don't need to tell you that!).
Katrini89 4 days ago
@Katrini89
Many thanks for taking the time to look again and write back! :)
For sure, impatient and careless drivers may fail to understand why a cyclist moves away from the kerb. Unfortunately, you cannot please all of the people all of the time but personal safety has to be the primary consideration. I'll take the time to thank those who hang back or leave plenty of space. It's sad to note that this was a professional driver though who failed to read the road and who drove aggressively.
kmcyc 4 days ago
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Katrini89 1 week ago
You clearly broke the law whilst riding like the self righteous idiot you are, at 1;24 you are clearly in a lane marked for right turn. YOU TOTALLY ignored the right turn arrow on the road (classed as a road sign). If you accidentally find yourself in the wrong lane you are obliged to comply with any direction signs or signals in that lane. You need to grow up and realise you're your OWN worst enemy.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav I would have added (space permitting) that when you illegally moved from the right turn lane 1: 25 after ignoring the right turn sign, the video clearly shows you swung in front of the moving traffic you had just overtaken, it doesn't indicate you even looked over your shoulder though, Hope the police who you waste the time of see this video. - you're a danger to other road users!
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
When I moved back into the cycle lane, through a sizeable gap you can clearly see the camera move as I look over my shoulder. The camera has a narrow field of vision, while I am able to swivel my eyes in their sockets to see even further over my shoulder. Anyway, while we're on illegal moves, did you notice the two drivers who failed to stop for a red light at the end or had you stopped watching by then? Who kills folks on the roads? Cyclists? No, I think you'll find it's drivers.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
It is illegal to sound your horn while stationary and it is illegal to use it to intimidate another. It is illegal to drive in a cycle lane and it is illegal to use your vehicle to threaten another. These are the actions of a "professional" driver, who I took sensible precautions to avoid when they became stuck in a traffic jam. When you're on a bike you don't have a safety cage around you so you create a safe place my making room between you and others.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc He wasn't stationary when he used his horn he presumably thought you were about to move out IN FRONT OF HIM - even your INFO says he was FOLLOWING you. You had absolutely no right to be in the lane you swung out of at 1;25 unless turning right - you'd taken the right turn lane and should have taken it - Don't make stupid excuses you are a danger to other road users who chooses to only accept any rules that suit yourself.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
The driver had no right to intimidate me with sounding his horn or by the gestures he made directly after. Nor did he have the right to intimidate by driving his articulated lorry across the cycle lane, after which he had to move across the road again to avoid a parked vehicle. I made a choice to pass on the RHS where there was room to avoid him if needed, where I could see what was ahead and where I could ride without having to take dangerous chances with an unpredictable driver.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc You don't even know the correct rules regarding use oh horn = read the last line carefully:
112
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn While stationary on the road When driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another road user poses a danger.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
Yes thanks I'm familiar with Rule 112, which also states: "Never sound your horn aggressively." He knew full well I knew he was there, you can see my shoulder checks at the beginning of the video. A cyclist is hardly likely to haul across the path of an articulated lorry. Yet I am well within my rights to use the full width of the lane I'm in. My position behind that car at the lights was the safest place to wait.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc How you can consider a warning beep of the very slightest duration "aggressive" does suggest paranoia. How you could say the lorry was stationary when anyone can see it had to be moving suggests you are either delusional or a liar.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
A shame the camera wasn't able to show the driver, with all his abusive hand gestures to accompany the sounding of the horn. Ah well, nevermind, consider yourself lucky to be spared all that nonsense from let's not forget, a professional driver who wilfully uses his articulated lorry to intimidate those around him.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc Pardon my ignorance but I presumed a helmet mounted camera a few inches from your eyes would show what you saw. So if you saw the aggression why didn't the camera ? Perhaps your camera isn't as paranoid as yourself. - I see you've now abandoned the pretence the lorry was stationary since it can virtually be proved from video it wasn't when he beeped his horn. His road position (nothing in front) indicates he genuinely thought you were going to ride in front of him.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
No problem. I'll just remind you of what I said yesterday: the camera has a narrow field of vision that cannot compare to human eyes. So, let's consider what we can see: a professional driver deliberately moves into the cycle lane and two other drivers run a red traffic light. Your concern over my crossing a painted line, inconveniencing and endangering nobody seems to prevent you from recognising that motorists present a greater danger to any other class of road user.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc It is obvious that a car is more of a threat to anyone it hits than a bike, this is little comfort to those crippled or killed by cyclists, I personally know two people (both pedestrians) severely injured by cycles. On another statistic there are far more car users and miles travelled by automobiles than cycles so it should be considered that most statistics don't take that into account and give a false picture
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
It is sad to hear that people you know have been injured on the roads by cyclists. Nobody likes dangerous road users, be they on 2, 4 or more wheels. However you will find it hard to convince anyone even with adjustments to compensate for modal share that cyclists cause the same number and same level of death and injury on the roads as motorists. The average speed and weight of a rider and their bike cannot compare to 1.5 tons of motorised metal in the capacity for causing damage.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc The field of vision of the camera you use (it appears very wide angle) seems much greater than my peripheral or field of vision, If you look OVER your shoulder common sense suggests that the camera would show what is behind you (not just to the side) if it is mounted on head near eyes.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
Ok, this I have explained to you before: the camera is fixed and cannot move, unlike my eyes which swivel in their sockets to provide a greater field of vision. Feel free to visit Veho's webite and read the specifications for yourself, where you'll see that the VCC-003-MUVI camera only has a 72 degree view: veho-uk com.
kmcyc 1 week ago
You are such a dickhead! cyclists remind me of the twat at school everyone wants to beat up and at lunch time he goes and stands with the dinner ladies and smiles at you because he feels protected with them. you're a grown man! grow a pair!!!!
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NeWJaCk93x 2 weeks ago
How could he stay in the bike lane, if dickheads are always parked there, but actually yes, you should have been closer to the kerb... It is dangerous enough on that stretch of road to Ilford
HMSDaring1 2 weeks ago
@HMSDaring1
Thanks for the comment. This road I find is a welcome relief to Seven Kings High Street, which I would have just recently travelled along! As for cycling closer to the kerb, that is actually more dangerous. There you are less visible to following traffic and have no space to your left if you need to avoid a dangerously close overtake. Riding further out also deters dangerous overtakes, which is why it is recommended by DoT, CTC and Cyclecraft.
kmcyc 1 week ago
I'm surprised you haven't been killed yet, you ride pretty recklessly and rarely use the cycle lane that's been provided for your own safety, instead seemingly preferring to ride in the middle of the road. Is that just to deliberately piss of drivers or just because you're ignorant and stupid?
MayhemNT 2 weeks ago
@MayhemNT
None of the above. The trucker had already demonstrated to me that he didn't care for me being on the road at the same time as him and this lead me to believe he may not be so concerned for my safety. For that reason I avoided the cycle lane, which could have allowed him put me in grave danger had he tried a second time to block it. There was more space to take avoiding action if needed on his right, so I rode the middle of the road in safety. Common sense really.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
Waste of tax payers money putting in those cycle lanes for you not to use then!!
sheldonv8 2 weeks ago
@sheldonv8
I quite agree with you. It is a waste of money especially if those cycle lanes do nothing for rider safety. If that money is to be spent on cycling facilities, at least lets make sure they are of benefit to those for whom they are intended.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
Cyclists aren't required to use cycle lanes, no, but they are there for convenience. You travel at maybe 20 mph if you're going a relaxed pace. If you're in the middle of the road you do cause a bit of a hold-up. It's not the law but it is considerate to other road users. Then you get into a lane meant for oncoming traffic to turn right (into a street on your left) and cycle over the cross-hatching to pass him. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't both acts offences, even for cyclists?
Blueman2805 3 weeks ago
@Blueman2805
I'm generally perfectly content to use this cycle lane however when an artic has already moved into it after sounding their horn and showing me aggression while waiting at the lights, I'm not going to run the risk of riding on their LHS when there's an empty space to their right. Highway Code Rule 140 carries a legal requirement not to drive in cycle lanes, yet this professional driver felt the need to do so deliberately without reason. I'd rather be safe than sorry any day.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc To be fair, he clearly drives into the cycle lane to make a point - had you been in the lane I doubt he would have made that point by crushing you. He was wrong to honk his horn - you were well within your rights and not inconveniencing anyone at the red light. Your use of the turning lanes and cross-hatching to make a point in return is unacceptable - those aren't "empty spaces" or overtake lanes, they're barriers.
Blueman2805 2 weeks ago
@Blueman2805
I daresay you are right, had I been in that cycle lane he may not have driven into it but as he'd already shown aggression towards me I wasn't prepared to take a gamble with my safety by riding in the cycle lane. I could not see beyond the back of the trailer and would have no escape route should he decided to make a further statement with his lorry. Yet I could see a clear, empty space on the RHS where I could safely pass with room to spare.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc That's fair enough, but if that's the case, don't overtake at all. The point of having a cycle isn't "filter at all costs", you still have to obey road signs. By cycling on the cross hatching you're actually committing the offence of failure to comply with road signs. The cross hatching isn't a special overtake lane for people who want to throw up the finger to other road users. Think of it as a physical barrier that can never be crossed.
Blueman2805 2 weeks ago
@Blueman2805
I agree with you, it's not about "filter at all costs", feel free to watch my "Filtering Is Not Compulsory" or "Don't Be An Undertaker" videos, featuring riders who place themselves in unnecessary danger simply to move in front of one or two vehicles. I don't "throw the finger" to other road users either. Always keep calm, with a clear head you will react to situations better. I don't seek revenge on those who make mistakes, that invites further danger.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc There are times when I can safely drive on the cross-hatching as a car user, but I don't, even if a driver ahead has offended me and I'm going to be sat in a queue for a while. If you want equal respect as a road user you have to follow all the rules yourself. If you don't feel safe overtaking legally, don't overtake - don't try to justify an illegal overtake by claiming it was safe anyway, you're not entitled to make those judgements.
Blueman2805 2 weeks ago
@Blueman2805
While the chevrons should generally be avoided, with a broken line it is not illegal to move into that area. When I took my motorbike licence, on the test itself, the examiner came onto the radio to ask why I was waiting behind stopped traffic when I could have made progress over a chevron with a broken white line. When I use the road, I draw on my experiences from other modes of transport and try to see things from another's point of view.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc You are now saying you didn't bother learning what the broken lines meant BEFORE you took your test, that's the trouble with people who think they know it all - they often know **** all. You commit at least one obvious road traffic offence in this video. Telling a magistrate or judge that others (in your opinion) had committed some wouldn't help you in any court.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
Not at all. I took the time to prepare for the theory test, which I passed with full marks. I don't claim to "know it all", and on the day of the practical test, nobody does - it's only after they pass and start using the road without their instructor to guide them that the real lessons begin. I've been cycling for 16 years and have learned the safest thing to do with an unpredictable driver is create plenty of space and avoid riding where you cannot see ahead.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@Blueman2805 That's my opinion too, he has little respect for other road users I saw one video where a passing car is not allowed to complete the manoeuvre and is forced to drop back or risk a head on crash, in circumstances like that it doesn't matter who's in the wrong considerate road users don't put other's lives at risk. He thought he was clever almost "undertaking" that car.
DelTangBrav 1 week ago
@DelTangBrav
LOL, I have plenty of respect for everyone on the roads, sadly too many motorists have no respect for folks who aren't strapped into metal boxes. I've no idea which video you're referring to, there are so many incidents where a driver has tried to overtake when it isn't possible and has had to accept they need to slow down to avoid causing an accident. Remember, it is motorists who are responsible for so many deaths on the roads. They speed, drive drunk, run lights, need I go on?
kmcyc 1 week ago
After reviewing several of your video's now, I have come to the conclusion you a one of "those" cyclists who believe you have the right of way reagardless of other traffic. My honest opinion of your attitude towards the roads and specifically road positioning would not be easily expressed in such a small area. i regularly drive in European cities where cyclists have far greater priority on the roads, but by some of the actions displayed by your videos I'm amazed you have not had serious injury ?
Shadowdancer1974 3 weeks ago 15
@Shadowdancer1974
If only cyclists here enjoyed "greater priority on the roads" perhaps it wouldn't be necessary to take stronger road positions to counter dangerous driving. No, I don't believe I have right of way always. If you are genuinely interested, try watching my Filtering Is Not Compulsory or Don't Be An Undertaker videos, where I try to show when it is not appropriate to ride while being "regardless of other traffic". And no, I have not had a serious injury.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
@kmcyc You are making assumptions about a vehicles action (hgv) based on what knowledge? The vehicle in front has right of way (highway code) your duty as a fellow road user is to be courteous to other road users ? Not obstructive, i have had many cyclists who think they can out accelerate me, then to become an obstruction because they can't ? Look forward to meeting you on the roads... i will give you the clip you are hunting for.. the one you go to hospital in cos the driver belts you ;)
Shadowdancer1974 3 weeks ago
@Shadowdancer1974
"The vehicle in front has right of way" (can't find the HC Rule you're referring to). I was in front, so why did the HGV driver feel the need to sound his horn? Rule 140 includes "Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable", yet this licenced HGV driver went ahead and did just that deliberately. And finally, where did this driver get to in that traffic jam we could all see ahead? Obstruction? Other motorists more like.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@Shadowdancer1974 I am not sure he has never had any serious injury, I think it is clear he has suffered massive brain trauma at some stage.
dirtyarris 1 week ago
shame he didnt u winging cunt pay sum road tax and get in the cycle lane
whattam93 3 weeks ago
@whattam93
Have you read the comments on "road tax" already on here? Or those regarding use of cycle lanes? The former doesn't exist and cyclists aren't required to use cycle lanes. Vehicle Tax, whatever it's name doesn't have anything to do with the right to use public roads, it's based on the emissions a vehicle produces. Band A cars, like cyclists produce low enough emissions to be exempt from paying. The difference between Band A cars and cyclists is that only the former add to congestion.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
@kmcyc
it certainly does look like you ride like a nob, i bet you wear lycra and shave your legs too, i'd have stuck tortillia's to my tyres and made you into burrito's....trucker power!
rankinrogers 2 weeks ago
@rankinrogers
I ride defensively as all too often there are drivers like the one featured here and it seems from your comment, you, who are content to endanger someone else just because they use pedal power instead of an engine to get from A to B. If that means avoiding cycle lanes to ensure a safe distance from motorists who've shown no regard for my right to use the road safely then so be it. And dare I say it? Pedal power!
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
There would have been no issue had you showed a basic knowledge of roadcraft and operated yourself with due consideration for other road users? Your actions ,merely display the often shown curse of the cyclist, imapatience. The car turning left would have accelorated faster than yourself leaving you with NO reason to impede the planned route of the HGV driver,?You simply set out to be awkward, lucky for you most HGV drivers (myself included) are used to muppets who annoy, so we ignore you clown!
Shadowdancer1974 3 weeks ago
@Shadowdancer1974
My roadcraft and patience suggested the best place to wait for the light was behind the left turning car, lack of either would have placed me ahead of it. I'll often accelerate faster than cars from a standing start up to about 15-20 mph. It's generally once the driver shifts to 2nd gear their car will pass me. As for those turning, they won't have the chance to accelerate to their potential so I would've had a back off anyway. Impede the trucker? Hardly. He had space to pass.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
@kmcyc As previously stated , your concerns are based (understanably) on your own wishes to move through the traffic system, with such amazing roadcraft as you are claiming, why not freewheel until the car had turned and cleared your path? would have achieved free movement without the need for you to change road position at all? You looked over your shoulder then swerved "towards" the wagon for no reason other then video footage, wonder why motoring folk have issue with this kind of behaviour?
Shadowdancer1974 3 weeks ago
@Shadowdancer1974
My knowledge of the timing of these lights meant that freewheeling until the car had turned would have meant travelling so slowly I'd be in danger of getting run over from behind. So I moved into a safe place to wait behind and that meant moving to the right of the lane I was in. Had I been in my car, I would have occupied that space anyway. The trucker and I both knew the other was there. He, like you it seems, just wanted me to be closer to the kerb.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
Oh dear ... another video from this user.
JBZSTFC 3 weeks ago
because you pulled to far to the right. If the car in front was going left and you didnt want a car to pull up beside you. Logic says you pull over to the centre of that lane and wait BEHIND the turning left car. Not move nearly in the other lane.
SuperHardTrance 3 weeks ago
Has it occured to you that was not an agressive use of the horn but a warning to a cyclist not fitted with rear view mirrors who had not looked behind before moving across the lane ?
And might I also suggest you try driving an artic in towns and examine the actions of cyclists pedestrians and other cars before lambasting people with your holier than thou videos?
tonyinthetruck 3 weeks ago
@tonyinthetruck
No not really. So you didn't see my head turning several times to check behind BEFORE the horn was sounded?
Please note that I've no problem with artic, bus, taxi or white van drivers, all of whom I realise are performing important work, sometimes in difficult circumstances. However, there are individuals who may be in any type of vehicle from private cars to trucks who give other road users a hard time. It's easier to take a pop at a cyclist than anyone else on the road.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
Your just another biker trying to cause trouble with ur vid Camera instead of using logic.
SuperHardTrance 3 weeks ago
@SuperHardTrance
I used the logic that by moving away from the kerb to wait behind the left turning car I would be safe from having another driver pull alongside me in the same lane. The idea being to mitigate the risk of having a vehicle in close proximity when the time came to set off again. For ensuring my safety I get a horn blast followed by rude hand gestures from the trucker who then drives aggressively. How is that "trying to cause trouble"?
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
Sounding the horn is not offensive lol
joelisajack 3 weeks ago
@joelisajack
The Highway Code Rule 112:
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn
while stationary on the road
when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another road user poses a danger.
[Law CUR reg 99]
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
@kmcyc And your point is?
joelisajack 3 days ago
@joelisajack
I believe I was pointing out that sounding the horn can be an offence.
kmcyc 1 day ago
I suggest you aren't worried so much about putting yourself into a dangerous position on the road, more, you like antagonizing drivers to get a reaction. You're a road troll, it's obvious to any intelligent person to see.
OoshkaHusky 3 weeks ago
@OoshkaHusky
My riding here was, as it always is, to position myself with the greatest number of options available to avoid danger. I certainly do not go out to antagonize other road users, say by sounding my horn or making rude gestures as per the trucker. Had he not tried to intimidate me for waiting safely behind that left turning car I may have felt the cycle lane was a safe enough option. The way he drove into it lead me to believe there were safer options available that morning.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
You were cycling in the middle of the lane through the entire video. Then, just after the hatched chevron, you pass a right over a right-turn only lane — don't you think that was dangerous for yourself as a driver could have easily moved over there without looking or signaling? Plus cycling down the middle of the road you don't think is a little dangerous?
OoshkaHusky 3 weeks ago
@OoshkaHusky
Yes, in the middle of the lane, leaving the other lane available for the trucker to overtake safely, while dissuading him (or anyone else for that matter) from overtaking me in the same lane as there wouldn't be room to make that pass safely. Where did you see the sign that make it a "right-turn only" lane? It's a filter lane but not a mandatory turn. Even so, it turns into a minor side street and if someone wanted to drive there, they'd have moved into that area before I arrived.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
next time look on the nearside of the trailer for a red button pull that out and thats his trailer brake he'll have to get out and push it back in before it will move.
i no this because i drive artics
nightfox1965 4 weeks ago
Cars at 1:55 and 2:07 must have RLJed!!
Docroddy 1 month ago
@Docroddy
Yes, they did.
kmcyc 3 weeks ago
Come on now... He thought that you were going to enter his lane right in front of him. People do stupid stuff like that. Behind the wheel of a lorry you get pretty nervous when you don't know the intentions of unprotected traffic. Bikers tend to get pretty defensive when somebody does something against them it seems
Tidermans 1 month ago
@Tidermans
I doubt it. Sadly the camera didn't pick up all the hand gestures and pointing at the kerb. He knew I knew he was there, had I wanted to move into lane 2 I would have signalled. The horn and subsequent driving manners show how he was trying to intimidate - he certainly didn't show any nervousness. You are right though about riders being defensive. That's what I was doing when I positioned myself behind the stopped car. I made sure I wouldn't have someone jamming me into the kerb.
kmcyc 1 month ago
Push bikers... if you choose that mode of transport be aware that you might upset other road users due to the fact you're always in the way and feel you need to prove a point all the time. You deserved a toot of the horn, you had nothing to gain from being in that lane.
roundaboutwizard 1 month ago
@roundaboutwizard
Good grief! If a motorist gets upset when another road user is in their way, they surely need to calm down! There are always going to be people (pedestrians, bikes, cars, buses, lorries, etc) in the way. Re the "toot of the horn", Highway Code 112 "You must not use your horn while stationary on the road..." My position improved my safety: I was more visible and it was less likely that a driver would pull up alongside me, which could make it difficult when setting off again.
kmcyc 1 month ago
Stay in the bike lane asshole
supersnake1599 1 month ago 3
@supersnake1599
What? And run the risk of passing this driver on the left with nowhere to go if he decides to cut me off? He's already shown his aggression towards me by sounding his horn, showing rude hand gestures and running his truck in the cycle lane. It's not compulsory for cyclists to use cycle lanes (Highway Code 61 & 63) and it is far safer to overtake than to undertake. Why should I endanger myself just to keep another happy?
kmcyc 1 month ago 4
When you pay road tax for you bike, then your opinion will be listened to, until then. Pipe down son.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j
Road Tax: abolished in 1937. Vehicle Excise Duty: tax based on emissions. Bicycles, Band A cars: 0 emissions, 0 VED. My car: Band K, higher rate of VED. Presumably you don't listen to the views of Band A drivers on road safety either? Or pedestrians? Maintenance of roads funded by General Taxation. Damage to road caused by bikes: 0. BTW, I also pay the higher rate of Income Tax, so I pay my way thanks.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc If i do not use my car all year and leave it stationary in the road therefore producing ZERO emissions it will still have to be taxed. It IS a road tax and no1 is gona agree with you, you lot are hated not just for that reason, but the sheer arrogance and selfishness on the road, like taking up much more room than you need and also running red lights, turning right wherever you please, etc..
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j
Right and what exactly does any form of tax have to do with road safety? If you own a vehicle you are not planning to use and don't want to pay VED for it, simply park it off the public road and make a SORN declaration. It's that easy. Arrogance? Really? You know that motorists are the largest group of consistent law-breakers in society? Speeding, hand-held phone use, drunk driving, uninsured, unlicensed, need I go on? They are also responsible for the majority of deaths on the roads.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc Talk about road safety when you do not overtake on the right with the no overtaking markings on the road, also weaving in and out of traffic when there was no need to as the cycle lane is on the left. When you mugs use the road correctly and stop thinking because you wear ridiculous clothes you can run red lights and move all over the road as you please then maybe we would give a fuck what you think.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j
Where do you see "no overtaking markings" on this road? I'm not going to risk passing that lorry on the left given the way the driver has already tried to intimidate, you cannot see past the trailer so you don't know what you're riding into. Perhaps when drivers also use the road correctly we can all enjoy safer roads. Cycle wear is designed to be comfortable while riding and colourful to aid drivers who often fail to spot riders. Like most riders I stop for red lights as evidenced here.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc What if you don't own a garage or drive? Then what you dumb shit.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j
Oh well that's simple enough. You have two options: 1, rent a garage or off-road parking space. 2, if you really can't afford to keep your car that you are not planning on using, sell it. You could use the money you've saved on a bus pass or even a bicycle!
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc I grew out of riding bikes when i was 12 haha
tel0j 1 month ago
these idiots are always so quick on their horn, fuck off and get some patience
0snakebite 1 month ago
@0snakebite
LOL, well he would have needed his patience, you know, being stuck in that traffic queue and all... ;)
kmcyc 1 month ago
The car had turned off @ 0:30. After that your road positioning was shit & you wonder why people trying to do their job get pissed off with you. By the way, you're not supposed to ride over the chevrons & GET IN THE FUCKING CYCLE LANE. There isn't much else you could have done wrong in 2 minutes & 9 seconds!
whitbyjet65 1 month ago
@whitbyjet65
So already aware there is an aggressive driver behind me, who happens to be in charge of an articulated lorry, I made sure I had plenty of room to my left in case he decided to try bullying me off the road. I'm only thinking of my personal safety here. There is a broken line on those chevrons. When I took my bike test, my instructor told me off for not filtering on a chevron with broken lines.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc In fairness having looked again, the chevrons are surrounded by a broken line (not a solid line) so you can enter if safe to do so but you're weaving all over the place, man. You don't use the cycle lane and that will piss of car users more than anything. You ride aggressively & you also jumped an amber light @ 1:52. Cyclists moan when cars block the cycle lanes so what do you expect from drivers when you refuse to use them?
whitbyjet65 1 month ago
@whitbyjet65
Thanks for replying to the broken lines comment. As for weaving, I made two single moves: one to the right and another to the left some time later. Hardly weaving and given the previous and lack of vision beside the truck I wasn't keen on passing him on the left. Re the lights, you'll note I was about 2 metres from then when the amber showed. Do you really think I could have stopped in time? How about R278 YJD and EY04 YZZ, who pass me after the lights yet were passed at 1:40?
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc I'm not suggesting R278YJD & EY04YZZ are right but that doesn't excuse you. If you're posting videos highlighting other people's msitakes, bad driving & aggression, you surely have to be squeaky clean yourself & ride impeccably & by the book. I think you could have stopped in time at the lights because you should have anticipated the change & it's not like you're stopping a ton of metal, is it? You ride like you're in a race.
whitbyjet65 1 month ago
@whitbyjet65
Highway Code Rule 175
You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
Braking distances may be different for bikes but thinking distance is the same. Now, had I stopped with those two drivers following (at least one on red) would I still be here? 2 metres is not enough to stop safely.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@whitbyjet65
Re blocked cycle lanes: sure it may be irritating to cyclists when drivers block them but if they are not safe to ride in, then cyclists should not be riding in them, regardless of what others may think. Why should a rider endanger themselves simply to appease a driver?
kmcyc 1 month ago
the reason that he moved in to the cycle lane is because you cant steer a 45ft lorry like a car so we need much more of the road than other road users, he also may have done what i some times do which is to toot at cycles to let then know we have seen you as it is quit common for cycles to sit right under the front of our units which makes it near impossable to see them if he really wanted to intimadate he would have done much more
scoobya6 1 month ago
@scoobya6
I avoid sitting "under the front" of units for precisely that reason. If I am in that situation I smile and wave to the driver to be sure we know each other is there. Bus drivers too and I often find them rather chatty at the lights. This one came from behind with a clear view of me though, and followed the toot with some offensive hand gestures, so I doubt he was trying to make friends with me.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc well if u dont like the way others drive walk and quit being a grump push bikes are getting in the way more and more theses days and the riders think they have the right to do what they like when they like if it wasnt for lorries the country would grind to a halt in a matter of days
scoobya6 1 month ago
@scoobya6
Please do not think for one minute that I have no respect for lorry drivers up and down the country. Without them we wouldn't be able to enjoy the life we lead today. I have no axe to grind against any stereotype of driver: lorry, bus, taxi, van (even white ones) or private cars. As a professional driver you must know as well as I there are plenty of good drivers out there. However, like me you must also know there are a some poor ones. Does that stop you driving?
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc fair point there are plenty of numptys in all kind of vehicles and i have seen my fair share of them lorry drivers just seem to get a bit more grief than the rest people seem to think we are an easy target for blaming not than i,m saying thats what your doing i can get a bit frustrating at time and by no means am i tarring you with same brush as other cyclists i do apoligise for my moaning i do get a bit carried away at times i,m sure you have a very valid complaint keep safe on the roads
scoobya6 1 month ago
@scoobya6
No problem mate. I know all too well how this group of road user or that group of road user often takes stick from someone else. End of the day, we're all just trying to get where we are going with the minimum of fuss. When you're out on the road you have to keep your wits about you, whatever you drive or ride. Things can go wrong in a blink of an eye and it's not always your fault. On a bike it'll probably hurt more though! ;) Stay safe yourself!
kmcyc 1 month ago
and the point is?
chiquito83 1 month ago
@chiquito83
Hmm, I dunno, perhaps something to do with the cycle lane? You know, the one the trucker drove in.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc
perhaps because lorry is wider than this narrow lane?
chiquito83 1 month ago
@chiquito83
On the approach to the lights? Yes clearly the painted lane is narrower than the lorry, I was simply making a joke while he was just being rude. My position behind the car was to ensure no other drivers waited beside me, which would have made pulling away from the lights dangerous.
kmcyc 1 month ago
oh my god i carnt resist but comment on your videos . your are one of these bike riders who think you own the roads !! pure ignorant prick !
jaketaylor15 1 month ago
@jaketaylor15
Thanks for your comment. I feel an entitlement to use the road safely if that's what you mean. If that means leaving the cycle lane then so be it. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory (Highway Code 61 & 63) and may not make your journey safer.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc you may think your useing the road safely but lets face it your not ! you think because your on a bike you have right of way above cars and that they have to stop for you and you alone ! on lots of your videos your are the cause of most of your problems due to being purely ignorant towards other road users.
jaketaylor15 1 month ago
@jaketaylor15
"You may think your useing the road safely". Well, I make it to my destination unscathed without causing or being involved in accidents. I do not think I have right of way above anyone unless I'm in a lane with priority over other lanes, in which case I have as much right to proceed as those also in that lane. I am aware that many drivers fail to see bikes and that, IME tends to cause a lot of the incidents I see.
kmcyc 1 month ago
@kmcyc In fairness to jaketaylor15 though, you are one of these provocative cyclists who always seems to be looking to cause some sort of altercation on the road. As a cyclist myself there are some times in some of your videos where you are in the right, but in some of your other videos you just get gobby with people for no reason. Also, you're right - you are not obliged to use the cycle lane the WHOLE time, but you seem to use it none of the time, which understandably gets on peoples nerves.
TheBigScheme 1 month ago
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TheBigScheme 1 month ago
Sorry one last comment (can't help myself), look how far in the middle of the road you are after the traffic lights! It's ridiculous and unnecessary; there is no need for you to be that central as a cyclist. Then you veer across the road and overtake the truck, when the road markings clearly indicate 'no overtaking', before cutting back into traffic. Talk about hypocritical...
TheBigScheme 1 month ago
@TheBigScheme
The artic driver had already shown me he was aggressive and so to me that means unpredictable too. I made sure to leave myself plenty of space to my left in case he tried to move across my path. This is for my own safety. Which lines "clearly indicate 'no overtaking'"? There are no solid lines painted, so there's no restriction on crossing them.
kmcyc 1 month ago
as a trucker myself i spent alot of time in built up areas the numpty on the bike should learn a bit about driving a 45 foot lorry that is 8 feet wide we have blind spots that people never think about we need more room on the road than others the cyclist should have stayed at his side and returned to the cycle lane straight away in stead of being a smart arse you cyclist dont pay anything towards the roads no tax ,mot or insurance lorrys pay more than everyone esle and lorrys are needed daily
scoobya6 2 months ago
@scoobya6
Thanks for commenting and sharing your experiences. The driver knew full well I was there as he pulled up behind me but could you please explain why it was he moved into the cycle lane after passing me? Especially as he had to move right again to pass the parked vehicle. This is not about taxation, this is about road safety and an attempt at intimidation but for the record I pay Band K VED and the higher rate of income tax so pay plenty for the roads.
kmcyc 1 month ago
Have you ever tried towing a 40 ft long trailer......it only follows the unit and when he drove round you because you were in the motoring lane the trailer followed and has encroached onto the cycle lane....to be fair you were in the motoring lane for far longer than he was in the cycle lane.
MrUtilityBill 2 months ago
@MrUtilityBill
Yes I understand the principle of towing a trailer. As for "encroached onto the cycle lane" why did he move left in the first place? The road was plenty wide enough and he had to move right again to avoid the parked van. No my friend, from the honk of the horn to the move into the cycle lane this driver was trying to intimidate all the way. Cyclists are not required to ride in cycle lanes. Overtakers are required to overtake safely. This includes riders passing parked vehicles.
kmcyc 2 months ago
@kmcyc A fair point that you have the right not to use the cycle lane if you wish but if you were usung it then the other road users wouldnt get annoyed that you were holding them up and also i would think yourself lucky that there was a cycle lane at all.
MrUtilityBill 2 months ago
@MrUtilityBill
Take another look and perhaps you'll see who was holding who up. Initially, the trucker delayed my start from the lights with his distracting tirade. However, what many people seem oblivious to is the fact that it's mainly other motorists who hold up road users. Try counting the number of vehicles I leave behind.
kmcyc 2 months ago
Why don't you use the cycling lane? What's the point of cycling lanes, when you don't use it....
TheTheGamer96 2 months ago
@TheTheGamer96
That's a very good point. In fact I'd ask what's the point of cycle lanes that do nothing to improve rider safety? Councils are keen to install them for their green credentials but they often do nothing to improve cycling. The CTC campaigned for amendments to rules 61 and 63, which state cycle lane use is not compulsory precisely because so many cycle lanes are a danger to cyclists. A better idea would be separated, off-road cycle lanes but none exist on my route.
kmcyc 2 months ago
LOL, what a fuss about nothing! I wonder if he will upload the video of his rectum when a truck driver inserts his GoPro up his arse?
handsfan 2 months ago
Should have dragged him out of his cabine and let him feel some fists.
CRTukker 2 months ago
A major problem is stupid Councils who try to prove their green credentials by putting in cycle lanes where the road is simply not wide enough! At the point where the truck's nearside wheels are in the cycle lane there are road markings for two lanes of vehicles and a cycle lane, but it is physically impossible for two vehicles and a cyclist to fit in the available space unless they are within a couple of inches of each other.
deeceeluton 3 months ago
you had no reason to move just stay behind car. lorry tooted probably to make sure you knew he was there because he prob thought you were being unpredictable moving around all over the place
Mr20Typer 3 months ago 3
@Mr20Typer
Sure I had reason to move out from the kerb behind that car. Stay next to the kerb and before long another driver will pull alongside you, giving you no space at all for when the lights turn green. I'm not holding anyone up there, as the light is red. Moving around all the place? Hardly. I took up no more of the lane than a driver would have. No, this trucker was trying to intimidate otherwise why use the horn at all? His engine makes enough noise to inform me he is there.
kmcyc 3 months ago
Why isn't this goose using the cycling lane. It appears he is just trying to annoy motorists and giving us good cyclists a bad name.
Petergm999 4 months ago
@Petergm999
Well to begin with I positioned myself to be visible to anyone following the left turning car. When the trucker honks his displeasure, you'll note the discontinuation of the cycle lane. After the lights, concerned that he might just swerve across left I made sure to stay right, giving myself an escape. Turns out he did move left. So why then would I want to risk using the cycle lane next to a trucker like that? It is not compulsory for cyclists to use the cycle lanes.
kmcyc 4 months ago 4
@kmcyc Well done - I loathe rude truckers like this. I liked how you waved at him when you passed him in traffic :)
Catandthespoon 3 months ago
@Catandthespoon
Thanks. It is only polite to wave goodbye now isn't it? ;)
kmcyc 3 months ago
@VanDiggler404
Certainly not a bad idea to add the registration number of the offending vehicle in the video tags. 1 other road users may be able to spot these vehicles on their travels and know that the driver may be unpredictable or dangerous. 2 the driver may stumble across the video and see the incident they caused from another's POV and so learn how to drive better around others.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@VanDiggler404
As I pointed out to you yesterday on another thread, if a plate appears on this channel then it is likely that the driver did something stupid, dangerous, illegal or all three. In which case they are also reported to the police.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@kmcyc what a sad life you lead! Pathetic.
MrTorbayguy 3 months ago
@VanDiggler404
I campaign for improvements in cycling infrastructure, lobby MP's and write to councils. Yes, I do my part to make better cycling facilities, thanks.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@VanDiggler404
Cyclists are entitled to use the main part of the road, just the same as motorists. When moving into the lane at a pinch-point to deter silly dangerous overtakes for their own safety, cyclists are not inciting road rage. They are making it clear to following motorists that overtakes in narrow spaces are not on. These moments last very briefly and when the road opens, cyclists move over and motorists are able to pass them safely. Nobody gets cross because nobody gets held up.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@VanDiggler404
Remember folks that use of cycle lanes is not compulsory. Better to ride further from the kerb to be more visible and to ensure there is room to manoeuvre around obstacles and other road users who encroach into your space. Always obey traffic signals and stop for red lights. When the road narrows, check behind and then move into the lane to deter dangerous overtakes.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@VanDiggler404
Please, provide me with a list of laws that were broken in this video. Here, I'll give you one for a starter: Highway Code Rule 112. Oh wait, I'm wrong, the trucker was still moving and so was not breaking a law sounding their horn in that aggressive manner. Perhaps if people like him would stay out of our "special little 'bike lane'" and if they were better maintained and basically more usable and safe, perhaps cyclists would use them more often.
kmcyc 5 months ago
Pointless putting cycle lanes in when twats like this don't use them.
t5mikka 6 months ago
@t5mikka
Pointless putting in ridiculous tiny and dangerous cycle lanes that cyclists avoid for their own safety. Why not do the job properly and provide separate cycling facilities as they do in Holland? In the meantime, I will ride in a prominent position, where I am fully visible to following traffic, have space to avoid potholes and drivers who come too close. And why would I put myself in danger when a trucker deliberately drives through a cycle lane when there is more space to the right?
kmcyc 6 months ago
Not being Funny here, but why did you have to move over, why not just sit behind the Car and wait for him to turn left and then carry on, why put yourself into a Potentially Hazardous situation when there"s no need to. Another thing, stick to the Cycle Lane, that"s what it"s there for. No wonder We as Cyclist get a Bad Name, try and make an effort to stay out of peoples way instead of them having to avoid you. I"ve Watched a few of your Videos and a Lot of your Cycling is very Confrontational.
MADTASS 6 months ago
@MADTASS
Moving into the lane to wait behind the car I'm more visible to those following and deters another driver from pulling alongside. Hence it is safer. I use cycle lanes when they are safe but am aware that their use is not compulsory and refuse to use them when I consider them to be more dangerous than joining the main part of the road. When there is adequate space I keep left and allow space for overtakes. When there is not I take the lane as recommended by the CTC and Bikeability.
kmcyc 6 months ago
@MADTASS
IMO cyclists do a lot to gain a bad name by ignoring red traffic lights, cycling on the foot path, riding the wrong way down one-way streets. These are the reasons why non-cyclists dislike cyclists.
kmcyc 6 months ago
@kmcyc I do all of these things LOL
Catandthespoon 3 months ago
cyclists are a fucking menace
relmmih6 8 months ago
@relmmih6 Really? This cyclist did nothing wrong, it is actually advised by the Department of Transport to 'take the lane' at junctions and traffic lights. Keeping to the left is not a legal obligation.
The only menace and breaking of the law was completely with the truck driver, who failed to yield for a vulnerable road user and used his horn to intimidate - which is illegal.
This incident occured because of the truck drivers ignorance and impatience, he should not be on the road.
smith34n 8 months ago
@smith34n what kind of weirdo cycles around filmng traffic
relmmih6 8 months ago
@relmmih6 A lot of cycle commuters in London have helmet cameras for their own protection, it is unfortunately drivers like this who are the reason we wear them.
If London wasn't full of inconsiderate and dangerous drivers, I wouldn't wear a helmet camera, but it is and this type of footage helps the police convict drivers of dangerous driving; rightly so.
smith34n 8 months ago
@smith34n
Thank you for pointing this out to relmmih6, who for some reason doesn't appear to like my road position either.
kmcyc 8 months ago
@relmmih6
Thanks. Is that because we have video evidence of bad driving?
kmcyc 8 months ago
Beautifully done ;)
seanusmcprawnus 1 year ago
@seanusmcprawnus
Thanks! :)
kmcyc 1 year ago
Seems like good sensible cycling on your part. Was there any indication on the lorry as to who owned it? I hope there was so that you can e mail this clip to them.
Bristolcyclista 1 year ago
@Bristolcyclista
Thanks. Sadly no company markings that I could see otherwise they would have received the link to this video.
kmcyc 1 year ago
that pick up at end probably ran a red
AnotherCopierOfM13 1 year ago
@AnotherCopierOfM13
You are probably right.
kmcyc 1 year ago
Your cycling was exemplary and his driving was ... less so.
gadgetmind 1 year ago
@gadgetmind
Thanks. I felt that moving out into the lane would make it easier for following drivers to see me, especially if I needed to pass parked vehicles, which are commonly found after these lights.
kmcyc 1 year ago
@kmcyc Well, it's certainly not a spot where you want a truck alongside, or where a professional truck driving would pull alongside, so taking the lane makes all the sense in the world.
gadgetmind 1 year ago
At 0:50 "... could have been crushed by this trucker"....
I think you used the wrong word...... but it rhymes with 'trucker'!! ;) ;D
Cliffjumper24 1 year ago