Can goose winging youg main and jib be as effective as this spinnaker? I am new to this. On my boat all I have is a main and one jib, pretty corney i know, but I cant afford much more at this point.
@icearnett - not too corny at all! Going wing-on-wing is not as efficient as using a spinnaker, but if that's all you can do it'll work just fine. We don't have a spinnaker or even a whisker pole on our boat, so if we have the wind straight up our stern we do the same thing...
They have the jaw down so that the pole can be raised up the mast and stored. Same with whisker poles, they recommend jaw down. Doesn't work. Can't get the pole off the sheet as the sail wants to pull up and just follows the pole up as you try and free it from the sheet.
Big risk of snapping the spinnaker pole while the windward gay is so loose that the pole is resting on the fore stay, especially with carbon spinnaker poles. Also there is the jaws down which several people noticed. Also there is a risk of blowing out the spinnaker in a little more wind when not setting it behind the main sail. It is important to have the loose sheet lying on top of the spinnaker pole, or else it would get stuck while gybing. But its not even attached in this film.
I've never seen a spinnaker pole used with the jaw facing down. With the jaws down, it's probably impossible to gybe the boat. Jaws facing up- always!!
Going dead down wind is a bad idea. You're likely to have an accidental gybe, the boat rolls around a lot, will often collapse, and it's s l o w.
Be careful giving advise when you'll put people in harms way with bad advise.
The video is marketed to people who don't know mubh about sailing. But it's better to give good advice versus bad advice.
Let me see... Should people listen to and take advice from John Kretschmer, who has more than a quarter million documented blue water miles sailing all over the world; is a renowned and sought after delivery skipper; has almost 20 transatlantic crossings; and is a famous sailing author... Or you?
I'll give John the reasonable doubt that he mistakenly hooking the pole to the guy with the jaw down.
John's a seasoned sailor making passages on cruising boats. On the other hand, I race boats for a living and coach offshore racing teams. But I ask, have you ever used a spinnaker?
My resume: Professional racing bowman for North Sails, 2 Admirals Cups (Fastnet Race Overall win 1989), 3 One-Ton Worlds, 1 Sardinia Cup, Only 2 TransAt's, 14 Bermuda (Race & pasage), 4 Antigua Race Weeks etc...
OceanBien's first comment was typical of the arrogance found in many sailors that "race boats for a living". Mr. Kretschmer has probably spent more time at sea CRUISING than OceanBien has racing. And it was quite obvious to me that the video is marketed to CRUISING sailors, where "s l o w" is not an issue. In fact, going dead down wind is quite common for cruisers in the trades. OB's resume is impressive, but I ask: have you ever cruised? It's a lifestyle - not a race...
Running the guy through the pole with jaws down is obviously unacceptable if racing, given the need to jibe frequently. I guess if you going to do a cruising set (with sock) and cruising jibe (i.e. kite down) then jaws down might be a technique minimizing the risk that the guy will work the plunger open and pop out of the jaws. Please let's remember that just because someone has sailed a gazillion miles on a cruising boat blah blah blah doesn't mean they know crap about racing technique.
dead down wind sweat but like on fixed mast fixing dont want that moving in big poofs .cruseing shutes are great use it more and singlehanded the big downwinder is to much of a pain as wine glassed once in a shiff and it was a pain
Most cruising sailors seem to prefer the spinnaker sock, at least here in the US. The advice for pulling the sock down over the sail with strong wind is to blanket the spinnaker with the main as much as possible. Otherwise, yes, it can be arduous.
I always pull the pole sheat on first before i pull the shute up..
it stops the spinnaker from jerking like at 3:12 and 3:18 on the movie, that happened to me in 25 knots and i ripped the spinnaker to pieces, now i always pull the spinnaker pole sheet on before it goes up... and ive launched one it 35 knots and it was fine,
Can goose winging youg main and jib be as effective as this spinnaker? I am new to this. On my boat all I have is a main and one jib, pretty corney i know, but I cant afford much more at this point.
icearnett 1 month ago
@icearnett - not too corny at all! Going wing-on-wing is not as efficient as using a spinnaker, but if that's all you can do it'll work just fine. We don't have a spinnaker or even a whisker pole on our boat, so if we have the wind straight up our stern we do the same thing...
lunarcod 1 month ago
So many good memories come to my mind...
TheMohawkCut 3 months ago
They have the jaw down so that the pole can be raised up the mast and stored. Same with whisker poles, they recommend jaw down. Doesn't work. Can't get the pole off the sheet as the sail wants to pull up and just follows the pole up as you try and free it from the sheet.
allene222 7 months ago
Big risk of snapping the spinnaker pole while the windward gay is so loose that the pole is resting on the fore stay, especially with carbon spinnaker poles. Also there is the jaws down which several people noticed. Also there is a risk of blowing out the spinnaker in a little more wind when not setting it behind the main sail. It is important to have the loose sheet lying on top of the spinnaker pole, or else it would get stuck while gybing. But its not even attached in this film.
hummesse 1 year ago
once the sock is up it stays there? is it recomendable for racing?
ALOZANO94 1 year ago
Why to by such a stuff to get spinnaker more and more complicated ?
francescovedremo 2 years ago
I've never seen a spinnaker pole used with the jaw facing down. With the jaws down, it's probably impossible to gybe the boat. Jaws facing up- always!!
Going dead down wind is a bad idea. You're likely to have an accidental gybe, the boat rolls around a lot, will often collapse, and it's s l o w.
Be careful giving advise when you'll put people in harms way with bad advise.
The video is marketed to people who don't know mubh about sailing. But it's better to give good advice versus bad advice.
OceanBien 2 years ago 7
Let me see... Should people listen to and take advice from John Kretschmer, who has more than a quarter million documented blue water miles sailing all over the world; is a renowned and sought after delivery skipper; has almost 20 transatlantic crossings; and is a famous sailing author... Or you?
sjiTV 2 years ago
I'll give John the reasonable doubt that he mistakenly hooking the pole to the guy with the jaw down.
John's a seasoned sailor making passages on cruising boats. On the other hand, I race boats for a living and coach offshore racing teams. But I ask, have you ever used a spinnaker?
My resume: Professional racing bowman for North Sails, 2 Admirals Cups (Fastnet Race Overall win 1989), 3 One-Ton Worlds, 1 Sardinia Cup, Only 2 TransAt's, 14 Bermuda (Race & pasage), 4 Antigua Race Weeks etc...
OceanBien 2 years ago
OceanBien's first comment was typical of the arrogance found in many sailors that "race boats for a living". Mr. Kretschmer has probably spent more time at sea CRUISING than OceanBien has racing. And it was quite obvious to me that the video is marketed to CRUISING sailors, where "s l o w" is not an issue. In fact, going dead down wind is quite common for cruisers in the trades. OB's resume is impressive, but I ask: have you ever cruised? It's a lifestyle - not a race...
vacationvideocontest 2 years ago
Hi is still right. Jaw's up always!
macksails 2 years ago
Running the guy through the pole with jaws down is obviously unacceptable if racing, given the need to jibe frequently. I guess if you going to do a cruising set (with sock) and cruising jibe (i.e. kite down) then jaws down might be a technique minimizing the risk that the guy will work the plunger open and pop out of the jaws. Please let's remember that just because someone has sailed a gazillion miles on a cruising boat blah blah blah doesn't mean they know crap about racing technique.
odaviscwb 2 years ago
Maybe he has never gybed with a spinnaker during his... was it 17 atlantic crossings...
nallepuh6969 1 year ago
dead down wind sweat but like on fixed mast fixing dont want that moving in big poofs .cruseing shutes are great use it more and singlehanded the big downwinder is to much of a pain as wine glassed once in a shiff and it was a pain
adampolly 2 years ago
as a serious racer through this whole video im like screaming AHHHHH PREFEED THE CHUTE THEN THE FOREGUY TIGHT CLEWS LEVEL FASTER FASTER!!!
then i have to tell myself its a cruising boat full of cruising people lol
JRC808 3 years ago
i hate the sock on the spinaker, put it down with fresh wind seems arduous, isn't it?.
ApocalisseOra 3 years ago
Most cruising sailors seem to prefer the spinnaker sock, at least here in the US. The advice for pulling the sock down over the sail with strong wind is to blanket the spinnaker with the main as much as possible. Otherwise, yes, it can be arduous.
lunarcod 3 years ago
but I don't have the sock...
RobinsVoyage 2 years ago
I always pull the pole sheat on first before i pull the shute up..
it stops the spinnaker from jerking like at 3:12 and 3:18 on the movie, that happened to me in 25 knots and i ripped the spinnaker to pieces, now i always pull the spinnaker pole sheet on before it goes up... and ive launched one it 35 knots and it was fine,
... but good movie otherwise..
Levi
29ersailer 4 years ago
called prefeeding the clew on the spin
JRC808 3 years ago
oh man.... this is just great! i was doing all worng! :-)
your videos are fantastic!
abvasconcelos 4 years ago
What about gybing?
Yellowfourteen 4 years ago
Great timing on your question. We are just now finishing a video on gybing with a spinnaker pole. It should be posted within two weeks. Thanks!
lunarcod 4 years ago
tht spinnaker is crap it has no shoulders.
maw5c 4 years ago
Spinnakers are awesome...asymmetricals are easier to fly with smaller crews though
skidrum11 4 years ago
Thanks from Brazil....
SailingSevillanos 4 years ago