This final is so different from the dumbed down Europa League. It reminds me of the tradition and quality of the old and great InterCities/Fairs/Uefa Cup approach. In the beginning it was the city - not he club that was represented. One club one city.
Through this europe was brought together in a festival of football. In those days even if United and Dundee qaulified for europe - only team played - one city one club. Like Glsgow playing Milan or Madrid playing London.
The two- legged approach gave this tradition a real continental feel. Like the taste of a holiday. Home or away - the excitement of continental cities and tanned players, latin style and the white of Scots skin simply added to the atmosphere of those 'legs'.
It was the skill of doing your stuff away then home again to finish the tie. Then the chance of the untimate - getting to the final with the away leg first and bring the real 'final' the second leg to your home town. That was what happened in '87 - that is what makes this final so unique.
Now we have a nonsense! We have teams beaten in the champions league at points from qualification to being beaten - possibly many times in the groups stages of the 'Premier' competition. In the early days when the European Cup was for actual champions
- the second placed team if they had not won the national cup would go into the Inter cities Fairs Cup - this produced a quality cup -if you lost over two legs you were out at anay stage. Not depending on others in a league system - that is seeded and structured so rigidly!
In fact all of these teams gain automatic entry to the group stages with lower ranking than Olympiacos CFP (GRE) 52.633 - who had to play in the third qualifying round!
It seems countries have been promised places at certain stages yet their performance when the plans are drawn up closer to the time - is not at that level. Meaning that other clubs from other countries lose out - who have performed better but may not have the pulling strength in the offices of power.
How can Liverpool and Chelsea be exactly the same levet to less than 1000th of a mark? Penalty shootouts are 2000 time more acturate!
Both on 118.899 exactly! Even basic statistics tells us things cannot be so precise and that measurements should not be presented in such 'false' levels. So why do so?
I wonder what coefficients teams get for simply being in the English Premier league? Why do Wolfsburg (Champions of Germany) rated at 21.339 while Munich are 98.399 (runners up)?!
Having had to play from the second qualifying round - playing 6 more qualifying games than Wolfsburg - who go automatically into the group stage. If the German League is so hard to win why are Wolfsburg rated so low. This is important cause Wolfsburg will be ranked 2nd in a group possibly play Barcelona rather than a team od Wolfsburgs ranking!
Why is it that Shakter Donesk and Zenit St Petersburg the last two Uefa Cup Champions have to qualify for the Europa League? While Fulham who have never played in Europe have been seeded at the same level as those Champions?
UTD one and only chance for Euro glory. it was also against an equally unfancied team. it must irk you lot se without much of a fight.nsless tosee that opportunity disappear
If you were at this game please join my group at "Were you at the UEFA Cup Final 1987 group?" on Facebook. Lets try and get a collective memory of the game and this important day for both Dundee United and IFK Goteborg. Even better if you were a player add you momories. All supporters and views welcome.
brought a tear to my eye , i remember being there (i was 16) me and my mates queued from 630 on the sunday previous for 3 hrs to get a ticket at the princley sum of £10 !!!!
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Good to hear your back! Where had you gone? United cheated out of Uefa Cup place by a very dodgy ref against Rangers. Do Goteborg have to go through qualifying or straight into league stage? How do you honour the players of 82 and 87?
Thank you! I feel sorry for you that you been cheated out the uefa cup place!
We have to go to qualifying and I think it's really bad becouse we won the swedish league and the name of the cup is "Champions league"..
We honour the herous through writing songs about them and they are often talking on the pitch in half-time and stuff..many of the players name in that team was "Glenn" and we are allways singing "Everyone is named Glenn in Gothenburg during the games" I wish Dundee good luck!
search on youtube for "IFK Göteborg SM GULD 2007 STORMNING" and watch the movie in on the top of the list and see some great pictures from the day we won the swedish league..The most happy day in my life...We had to wait 11 years!
See on You tube film "Vangelis talks about his score for Chariots of Fire" for more about this music and its meaning to the film and the value of music and film
FTD! best football night the city has ever seen, was at the match, it was brilliant! made the memories flood back. officialy the best fans in europe, what an honour!
They got the first FIFA Fair Play award for that night. It was the feeling that a small club could host a major European Final that meant so much to the fans
Dundee United has been great in that season as much as it was Videoton in 85, Bordeaux in 96, Lazio in 98, Torino in 92. All these teams were surprisingly finalists, so that losing the final wasn't such a great deception for each of these teams. Wonderful images these with Dundee Utd's players celebrating though defeated.
It was the thought of hosting a major European Final in such a small stadium and for a small club that was a very proud moment. Fifa gave United the first Fair Play Award for the fans and their respect in defeat.
The release of the DVD has been timed to coincide with our "re-match" against Barcelona but, for Arabs everywhere, it should prove to be a timeless and unique memento of an unforgettable experience.
Those taking part include Gordon Wallace, Eammon Bannon, John Holt, Billy Thomson, Ian Redford, John Clark, Paul Sturrock and Kevin Gallacher. Respected commentator Archie McPherson also provides a glowing tribute and some of the fans who were at the games share their treasured memories. The DVD also features extracts from "Little Giants" a much commented on video by Graham Duncan, filmed from a unique personal perspective at the time.
The DVD - entitled "Flair Play" in recognition of the United's famed European style of play and the supporters' FIFA Fair Play award - is a unique retrospective on Dundee United reaching the UEFA CUP Final that year and contains new, fresh, interviews with players from the 1987 team recalling games and specific incidents, interspersed with footage from the campaign.
Dundee United Media's brand new DVD to mark the 20 year anniversary of the Club's magnificent 1987 UEFA Cup is now on sale at the Club Shop, Dundee United Direct.
This is just a home movie. A simple home movie. It does not have the fore thought of being smart. It is simply what it is and was. A record of a day that may never be repeated -in Scotland or any country with a big heart and lots of passion!
Teams at the top, bottom and middle of the league - concentrating of losing rather than proactively seeking to win the league. The reason to seek a place in Europe (apart from those at the bottom!). This is the true impact of 'new' European competitions. Around 40% of the Premier league plays in Europe. Competitions designed for 'Champions' but played by teams that do not win or do not weant to!
I noted that during one of the live English FA Cup games it was claimed that teams were resting players during the FA cup to enable concentration upon the league.
What the hell are you guys talking about about??? The best team was GALATASARAY in eufa cup ever.The best final was liverpool and alaves in 2001 the score was 5-4 it was fuccing unbealivable....GALATASARAY WAS REALY LEGEND
TWO teams from the same city that reached the semi-finals of BOTH the UEFA CUP and the EUROPEAN CUP (the real one - not the false 'Champions' League of today when are not champions of their own country). When did West Ham or Man City reach the semi-final of the EUROPEAN CUP? Both Dundee teams did that by 1984 and both did at the first and only attempt!
It is often to the big city clubs that reach the highest level in Europe and the big clubs design the competitions to suit themselves.
so what are you thinking about GALATASARAY.because they always in champions league and they have uefa and super cup.Theyy took from real madrid :) it is very incridible for them.after porto I think galatasaray most joined team to champions league...
What I am saying is that a small group of cities/teams have been able to perform at the highest level when they were champions and when ALSO when they were not.
I watched a re-run of a Ipswich Town v Man United game in 1980. Ipswich won 6-0 and also missed three penalties! Everyone thinks Man United were always great HOWEVER this game shows why so few big club cities with two teams achieved what Dundee, Milan and Madrid could and did.
thanks! Dundee beat Koln 8-1 in 1962 in the European Cup. That was how good small teams could be. Dundee United beat BMGladback twice in different Uefa Cup years (5-0 at home and 2-0 away in Germany). They also beat Werder Bremen when they were German champions.
Thats ridiculous, Liverpool have WON the European Cup, and Everton WON the cup winners cup. Utd won the European Cup and City won the UEFA Cup. Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham have all won the UEFA Cup
I am speaking about TWO teams from the same city that reached the semi-finals of BOTH the UEFA CUP and the EUROPEAN CUP (the real one - not the false 'Champions' League of today when are not champions of their own country). When did West Ham or Man City reach the semi-final of the EUROPEAN CUP? Both Dundee teams did that by 1984 and both did at the first and only attempt!
There was only 16 teams in it back then, you only had to win 2 games to get to the semis, coupled with the fact that the Scottish league is easier than the English league to finish higher in
The Dundee teams did it and at the one and only chance. In the UEFA CUP Dundee United have played Barcelona FOUR times and WON FOUR times! The Scottish league is not easy if you are a small team - both the Dundee teams were and are small teams. Liverpool and Everton could not both. Man City and Man Utd could not - Why not?
Well Ive never heard anyone from Milan or Madrid mention this fact. Semi Finalists = LOSERS
All them English teams mentioned have WON European competitions, and we can throw in Forest, Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and Ipswich as well into that equation
Did "Forest, Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and Ipswich" win because they only had to play 2 matches to get to the semi's? When did Ipswich, Birmingham City or Newcastle reach the semi-final of the European Cup?
Dundee and Dundee United did what cities with teams such as Charlton or Milwall could only dream of such performance. Winning is not everything - even though winning is great. It is doing the best you can and take pride it what you can do. Perhaps England and English teams have something to learn from that ideal.
Im afraid winning IS everything if your looking for respect from mainland Europe. Nobody even knows that Dundee made the semis, the only reason I know is cos I read it in old programmes. Charlton and Millwall are 2nd division teams, yous are Scots 1st division teams. Yous are Scotlands 3rd or 4th largest city, so that would put yous on a par with the Manchester and Liverpool teams. Arsenal, Spurs , Chelsea and West Ham represent London not Charlton Millwall
Charlton and Millwall - would represent London if they DID reach a semi or a final! TV would make sure of it. Momey would be there to be made. If winning is everything-why do we have leagues for 'Champions' and those in the Uefa Cup LEAGUE - when winning two games could get us toa semi-final? That is my exact point winning is not everthing. It is aabout money!
It is pride that matters in all that we have said. What disappoints is the standard of administration at the highest level that takes advantage of the ordinary fan - who pays his money - yet get rubbish referees!
Yeah for the clubs and chairman in particular its about the money, but we're just fans, its about winning. Im a Liverpool fan trust me if we get to a semi final or a final and then we dont end up winning the cup , its a disaster. There was no money in it back then when Dundee got to the Euro semi, or for Utd in 1987 either for that matter. I understand your little dig at refs though, wanna know my theory about yester........
I think its cos of the Rangers fans singing FTP when they play away in Spain or Italy. Cos Scotland look a bit like Rangers dont they , in their blue shirts, more than they look like Celtic at least, and St Andrews flags look more like Union Jacks than Ireland flags as well. I think yous got fucked cos of the Rangers fans bigotry
You lost. Echoes of the deluded who went to Seville. At the last count, there were over 7.2 million of them apparently, most of whom had travelled the short distance across the Iberian Peninsula having settled in Lisbon in May 1967, even though 6 million of them were 20 years short of being born.
Never forget that there is only one team in Scotland who has won two European trophies and has a 100% success record in European finals.
Check your history book my friend. 11 May 1983 (in Gothenburg, coincidentally) and 20 December that year. Adidas European Team of the Year. That's why the badge has two stars.
I could tell you vastly different tales of the "Fair Play" of their fans, including racism and a hospitalised friend, who was hit on the head by a brick wrapped in disguise in a fish n chip wrapper at a 1984 Cup replay at Tannadice.
Thanks 4 your reply negba yes fair play was justified basically being a steward meant we had 2 b in the ground 4hrs before kick off so we saw all the players from both teams sssooob
Great to hear from you. What were your memories? What was the game like steward? Was the Fair Play award justified in your opinion? Love to hear from you!
This is the trailer to "Little Giants" - my film of the 1987 UEFA Cup Final 2nd leg between Dundee United and Goteborg in Dundee. Extracts from "Little Giants" now included on the official Dundee United DVD marking 20 years since that game. The DVD "Flair Play" is on sale online at the Dundee United Shop - price £12.99.
Don't think I ever watched them - it was painful to watched at the time. I think that is why I can watch my own film with such interest and feeling. It was my personal menory. My eye to the lens and my view for a few hours.
Great video. I remember the 3rd round and 2 games against Hajduk Split...If I am not mistaken, the goalie's name was Billy Thompson...also remember great fans and atmosphere up in Scotland. Wish we had more Little Giants like Dundee United.
The more time that passes the more amazing it seems that a teasm with gates of 10000 ever got anywhere near a Euro final. Teams like Borussia, Barca, Monaco, Rapid, Standard Liege, Roma must all have thought they were there for a stroll in the park. I remember though feeling so disappointed at the UEFA cup final although most folk around me were cheering United, Gothenburg and, then, Jim McLean as he jogged rouns the pitch to acknowledge the chant that had gone up for him.
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FanajiQidodu 2 years ago
YEahh Borussia Moenchengladbach
forever love this team fan friendship with Liverpool for already 32 years
aphasia1972 2 years ago
This final is so different from the dumbed down Europa League. It reminds me of the tradition and quality of the old and great InterCities/Fairs/Uefa Cup approach. In the beginning it was the city - not he club that was represented. One club one city.
negba 2 years ago
Through this europe was brought together in a festival of football. In those days even if United and Dundee qaulified for europe - only team played - one city one club. Like Glsgow playing Milan or Madrid playing London.
negba 2 years ago
The two- legged approach gave this tradition a real continental feel. Like the taste of a holiday. Home or away - the excitement of continental cities and tanned players, latin style and the white of Scots skin simply added to the atmosphere of those 'legs'.
negba 2 years ago
It was the skill of doing your stuff away then home again to finish the tie. Then the chance of the untimate - getting to the final with the away leg first and bring the real 'final' the second leg to your home town. That was what happened in '87 - that is what makes this final so unique.
negba 2 years ago
Now we have a nonsense! We have teams beaten in the champions league at points from qualification to being beaten - possibly many times in the groups stages of the 'Premier' competition. In the early days when the European Cup was for actual champions
negba 2 years ago 2
- the second placed team if they had not won the national cup would go into the Inter cities Fairs Cup - this produced a quality cup -if you lost over two legs you were out at anay stage. Not depending on others in a league system - that is seeded and structured so rigidly!
negba 2 years ago
IMAGINE A CHAMPIONS LEAGUE LIKE THIS?
One frome each in each group -
The holder, England, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Russia, Romania,
Portugal, Netherlands, Scotland, Turkey, Ukraine, Belgium, Greece, Czech Republic.
Switzerland, Bulgaria, Norway, Denmark, Austria, Serbia, Israel, Sweden,
Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Croatia, Cyprus, Slovenia, Finland, Latvia.
Sounds about right - we do it for nations cup!
negba 2 years ago
These are the top 32 rank countries in Europe. listed in four sets of 8 teams in order of performance.
What would be wrong with a group champions from -
Italy
Netherlands
Bugaria
Croatia
One from each of those 8 team lists.
More exciting than having an English team in 4 groups or Spamish teams in three etc
negba 2 years ago
I doubt that we will ever see a true Champions League where a 'Little Giant' can actually win it!
negba 2 years ago
Why are these teams in the the group stage of the champions league with such low coefficients?
FC Rubin Kazan (RUS) 9.525
AFC Unirea Urziceni (ROU) 8.781
negba 2 years ago
When these teams had to play in the 3rd qualifying round and have to play 4 more games?
Olympiacos CFP (GRE) 52.633
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) 25.150
FC Zürich (SUI) 14.050
Do the numbers mean anything or nothing?
negba 2 years ago
If they are all champions - what is the difference?
negba 2 years ago
In fact all of these teams gain automatic entry to the group stages with lower ranking than Olympiacos CFP (GRE) 52.633 - who had to play in the third qualifying round!
Olympique de Marseille (FRA) 48.033
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) 46.370
FC Girondins de Bordeaux (FRA) 40.033
Beşiktaş JK (TUR) 32.445
VfL Wolfsburg (GER) 21.339
R. Standard de Liège (BEL) 21.065
FC Rubin Kazan (RUS) 9.525
AFC Unirea Urziceni (ROU) 8.781
negba 2 years ago
plus the non-champions of -
VfB Stuttgart (GER) 45.339
ACF Fiorentina (ITA) 42.582
Club Atlético de Madrid (SPA) 41.853
...who gained automatic entry to the play - off stages! Seems just a little Micky Mouse to me!
negba 2 years ago
It seems countries have been promised places at certain stages yet their performance when the plans are drawn up closer to the time - is not at that level. Meaning that other clubs from other countries lose out - who have performed better but may not have the pulling strength in the offices of power.
negba 2 years ago
How can Liverpool and Chelsea be exactly the same levet to less than 1000th of a mark? Penalty shootouts are 2000 time more acturate!
Both on 118.899 exactly! Even basic statistics tells us things cannot be so precise and that measurements should not be presented in such 'false' levels. So why do so?
I wonder what coefficients teams get for simply being in the English Premier league? Why do Wolfsburg (Champions of Germany) rated at 21.339 while Munich are 98.399 (runners up)?!
negba 2 years ago
This competition is named Champions League - for what reason?
negba 2 years ago
Those rated higher than Wolfsburg?
FC København (DEN) 26.890
PFC Levski Sofia (BUL) 24.250
FK Partizan (SRB) 23.050
Having had to play from the second qualifying round - playing 6 more qualifying games than Wolfsburg - who go automatically into the group stage. If the German League is so hard to win why are Wolfsburg rated so low. This is important cause Wolfsburg will be ranked 2nd in a group possibly play Barcelona rather than a team od Wolfsburgs ranking!
negba 2 years ago
Odds on a true 'Little Giant' winning the Champions league? Suggestions please!
negba 2 years ago
Rankings for 2009/10 set on 'Thursday 18 December 2008' - clearly not so accurate!
negba 2 years ago
Why is it that Shakter Donesk and Zenit St Petersburg the last two Uefa Cup Champions have to qualify for the Europa League? While Fulham who have never played in Europe have been seeded at the same level as those Champions?
negba 2 years ago
UTD one and only chance for Euro glory. it was also against an equally unfancied team. it must irk you lot se without much of a fight.nsless tosee that opportunity disappear
ronyeats 2 years ago
Did you know Goteborg reached the Semis of the European Cup the previous year? Only losing on penalities to Barcelona. Unfancied!
negba 2 years ago
Decided to change the music - as I wanted the whole world to be able to see it. At the moment only a few european countries could.....
negba 2 years ago
Universal had bocked the film in most countries and this new music does help me dream of that final.....
negba 2 years ago
I was 2 days old that day lol
feyenoord87 3 years ago
If you were at this game please join my group at "Were you at the UEFA Cup Final 1987 group?" on Facebook. Lets try and get a collective memory of the game and this important day for both Dundee United and IFK Goteborg. Even better if you were a player add you momories. All supporters and views welcome.
negba 3 years ago
what is the name of the song??
neoplati 3 years ago
its the title song from the film "Chariots of Fire" by Vangelis
negba 3 years ago
thank you :)
neoplati 3 years ago
brought a tear to my eye , i remember being there (i was 16) me and my mates queued from 630 on the sunday previous for 3 hrs to get a ticket at the princley sum of £10 !!!!
1970ferret 3 years ago
....yes it was very special
negba 3 years ago
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Spannertron534 3 years ago
IFK Gothenburg is back! They gonna play in champions league 09!
lounten 3 years ago
Good to hear your back! Where had you gone? United cheated out of Uefa Cup place by a very dodgy ref against Rangers. Do Goteborg have to go through qualifying or straight into league stage? How do you honour the players of 82 and 87?
negba 3 years ago
Thank you! I feel sorry for you that you been cheated out the uefa cup place!
We have to go to qualifying and I think it's really bad becouse we won the swedish league and the name of the cup is "Champions league"..
We honour the herous through writing songs about them and they are often talking on the pitch in half-time and stuff..many of the players name in that team was "Glenn" and we are allways singing "Everyone is named Glenn in Gothenburg during the games" I wish Dundee good luck!
lounten 3 years ago
still prefer two legged finals!
negba 3 years ago
"Everyone is named Glenn in Gothenburg" are we singing..saw I wrote little wrong there..hehe..
lounten 3 years ago
search on youtube for "IFK Göteborg SM GULD 2007 STORMNING" and watch the movie in on the top of the list and see some great pictures from the day we won the swedish league..The most happy day in my life...We had to wait 11 years!
lounten 3 years ago
whats the name of this song?
MVGplusplus 3 years ago
See on You tube film "Vangelis talks about his score for Chariots of Fire" for more about this music and its meaning to the film and the value of music and film
negba 3 years ago
FTD! best football night the city has ever seen, was at the match, it was brilliant! made the memories flood back. officialy the best fans in europe, what an honour!
bigarab01 4 years ago 2
...might not say that about Rangers fans in 2008. At least we entertained and played attacking football!
negba 3 years ago
forza göteborg
cplkatten 4 years ago 2
They got the first FIFA Fair Play award for that night. It was the feeling that a small club could host a major European Final that meant so much to the fans
negba 4 years ago
Dundee United has been great in that season as much as it was Videoton in 85, Bordeaux in 96, Lazio in 98, Torino in 92. All these teams were surprisingly finalists, so that losing the final wasn't such a great deception for each of these teams. Wonderful images these with Dundee Utd's players celebrating though defeated.
lollocampione2006 4 years ago 3
It was the thought of hosting a major European Final in such a small stadium and for a small club that was a very proud moment. Fifa gave United the first Fair Play Award for the fans and their respect in defeat.
negba 4 years ago
Flamurtari, Vlora Albania!
bsnobody 4 years ago
The release of the DVD has been timed to coincide with our "re-match" against Barcelona but, for Arabs everywhere, it should prove to be a timeless and unique memento of an unforgettable experience.
negba 4 years ago
Those taking part include Gordon Wallace, Eammon Bannon, John Holt, Billy Thomson, Ian Redford, John Clark, Paul Sturrock and Kevin Gallacher. Respected commentator Archie McPherson also provides a glowing tribute and some of the fans who were at the games share their treasured memories. The DVD also features extracts from "Little Giants" a much commented on video by Graham Duncan, filmed from a unique personal perspective at the time.
negba 4 years ago
The DVD - entitled "Flair Play" in recognition of the United's famed European style of play and the supporters' FIFA Fair Play award - is a unique retrospective on Dundee United reaching the UEFA CUP Final that year and contains new, fresh, interviews with players from the 1987 team recalling games and specific incidents, interspersed with footage from the campaign.
negba 4 years ago
Dundee United Media's brand new DVD to mark the 20 year anniversary of the Club's magnificent 1987 UEFA Cup is now on sale at the Club Shop, Dundee United Direct.
negba 4 years ago
....extracts from Little Giants are included along with a short interview with myself on this DVD
negba 4 years ago
FORZA IFK GÖTEBORG
kempakevic 4 years ago
Wow I could only dream of getting my hands on as much as a hundred quid!
dougfather 4 years ago
£50.43 more like for me!
negba 4 years ago
A home movie. Nothing was made from this - it is simply a man filming a special event - Joy and Sorrow. Everything that is football.
negba 4 years ago
This is just a home movie. A simple home movie. It does not have the fore thought of being smart. It is simply what it is and was. A record of a day that may never be repeated -in Scotland or any country with a big heart and lots of passion!
negba 4 years ago
It was only this evening I found this site, F*&^%$G A*&^%$G memories, thanks.
reastarfish 4 years ago
That is staggering!
negba 4 years ago
Teams at the top, bottom and middle of the league - concentrating of losing rather than proactively seeking to win the league. The reason to seek a place in Europe (apart from those at the bottom!). This is the true impact of 'new' European competitions. Around 40% of the Premier league plays in Europe. Competitions designed for 'Champions' but played by teams that do not win or do not weant to!
negba 4 years ago
I noted that during one of the live English FA Cup games it was claimed that teams were resting players during the FA cup to enable concentration upon the league.
negba 4 years ago
What the hell are you guys talking about about??? The best team was GALATASARAY in eufa cup ever.The best final was liverpool and alaves in 2001 the score was 5-4 it was fuccing unbealivable....GALATASARAY WAS REALY LEGEND
ksapmaz 4 years ago
TWO teams from the same city that reached the semi-finals of BOTH the UEFA CUP and the EUROPEAN CUP (the real one - not the false 'Champions' League of today when are not champions of their own country). When did West Ham or Man City reach the semi-final of the EUROPEAN CUP? Both Dundee teams did that by 1984 and both did at the first and only attempt!
It is often to the big city clubs that reach the highest level in Europe and the big clubs design the competitions to suit themselves.
negba 4 years ago
so what are you thinking about GALATASARAY.because they always in champions league and they have uefa and super cup.Theyy took from real madrid :) it is very incridible for them.after porto I think galatasaray most joined team to champions league...
ksapmaz 4 years ago
What I am saying is that a small group of cities/teams have been able to perform at the highest level when they were champions and when ALSO when they were not.
I watched a re-run of a Ipswich Town v Man United game in 1980. Ipswich won 6-0 and also missed three penalties! Everyone thinks Man United were always great HOWEVER this game shows why so few big club cities with two teams achieved what Dundee, Milan and Madrid could and did.
negba 4 years ago
BvB 09 best german club Grüße aus germany
Celtic + BvB "Fan-Freinds" 4ever !
moritzheitz456 4 years ago
thanks! Dundee beat Koln 8-1 in 1962 in the European Cup. That was how good small teams could be. Dundee United beat BMGladback twice in different Uefa Cup years (5-0 at home and 2-0 away in Germany). They also beat Werder Bremen when they were German champions.
negba 4 years ago
and Teddy Roosevelt was an alcoholic, he taked more piss than I do
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
Thats ridiculous, Liverpool have WON the European Cup, and Everton WON the cup winners cup. Utd won the European Cup and City won the UEFA Cup. Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham have all won the UEFA Cup
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
I am speaking about TWO teams from the same city that reached the semi-finals of BOTH the UEFA CUP and the EUROPEAN CUP (the real one - not the false 'Champions' League of today when are not champions of their own country). When did West Ham or Man City reach the semi-final of the EUROPEAN CUP? Both Dundee teams did that by 1984 and both did at the first and only attempt!
negba 4 years ago
There was only 16 teams in it back then, you only had to win 2 games to get to the semis, coupled with the fact that the Scottish league is easier than the English league to finish higher in
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
So why could Chelsea, Spurs not do it then?
The Dundee teams did it and at the one and only chance. In the UEFA CUP Dundee United have played Barcelona FOUR times and WON FOUR times! The Scottish league is not easy if you are a small team - both the Dundee teams were and are small teams. Liverpool and Everton could not both. Man City and Man Utd could not - Why not?
negba 4 years ago
Dundee, Milan and Madrid Rule!
negba 4 years ago
Well Ive never heard anyone from Milan or Madrid mention this fact. Semi Finalists = LOSERS
All them English teams mentioned have WON European competitions, and we can throw in Forest, Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and Ipswich as well into that equation
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
They probably don't realise it!
Did "Forest, Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and Ipswich" win because they only had to play 2 matches to get to the semi's? When did Ipswich, Birmingham City or Newcastle reach the semi-final of the European Cup?
negba 4 years ago
Dundee and Dundee United did what cities with teams such as Charlton or Milwall could only dream of such performance. Winning is not everything - even though winning is great. It is doing the best you can and take pride it what you can do. Perhaps England and English teams have something to learn from that ideal.
negba 4 years ago
Im afraid winning IS everything if your looking for respect from mainland Europe. Nobody even knows that Dundee made the semis, the only reason I know is cos I read it in old programmes. Charlton and Millwall are 2nd division teams, yous are Scots 1st division teams. Yous are Scotlands 3rd or 4th largest city, so that would put yous on a par with the Manchester and Liverpool teams. Arsenal, Spurs , Chelsea and West Ham represent London not Charlton Millwall
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
Charlton and Millwall - would represent London if they DID reach a semi or a final! TV would make sure of it. Momey would be there to be made. If winning is everything-why do we have leagues for 'Champions' and those in the Uefa Cup LEAGUE - when winning two games could get us toa semi-final? That is my exact point winning is not everthing. It is aabout money!
negba 4 years ago
It is pride that matters in all that we have said. What disappoints is the standard of administration at the highest level that takes advantage of the ordinary fan - who pays his money - yet get rubbish referees!
negba 4 years ago
Yeah for the clubs and chairman in particular its about the money, but we're just fans, its about winning. Im a Liverpool fan trust me if we get to a semi final or a final and then we dont end up winning the cup , its a disaster. There was no money in it back then when Dundee got to the Euro semi, or for Utd in 1987 either for that matter. I understand your little dig at refs though, wanna know my theory about yester........
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
I think its cos of the Rangers fans singing FTP when they play away in Spain or Italy. Cos Scotland look a bit like Rangers dont they , in their blue shirts, more than they look like Celtic at least, and St Andrews flags look more like Union Jacks than Ireland flags as well. I think yous got fucked cos of the Rangers fans bigotry
OnionHead1988 4 years ago
You lost. Echoes of the deluded who went to Seville. At the last count, there were over 7.2 million of them apparently, most of whom had travelled the short distance across the Iberian Peninsula having settled in Lisbon in May 1967, even though 6 million of them were 20 years short of being born.
Never forget that there is only one team in Scotland who has won two European trophies and has a 100% success record in European finals.
Keep celebrating failure.
57vintage 4 years ago
Who are they? Who is the one team?
negba 4 years ago
Check your history book my friend. 11 May 1983 (in Gothenburg, coincidentally) and 20 December that year. Adidas European Team of the Year. That's why the badge has two stars.
Belief. Success. Pride.
57vintage 4 years ago
It was no failure because United won the first ever FIFA Fair Play Award!
negba 4 years ago
I could tell you vastly different tales of the "Fair Play" of their fans, including racism and a hospitalised friend, who was hit on the head by a brick wrapped in disguise in a fish n chip wrapper at a 1984 Cup replay at Tannadice.
Lovely.
57vintage 4 years ago
Where is the Aberdeen home movie of the '83 final?
negba 4 years ago
1987 certainly was no failure!
negba 4 years ago
What?????
St Mirren at Hampden and then a 2-legged final where they folded like wet cardboard as usual?
Whatever.......
57vintage 4 years ago
That is why the film was lost in a cupboard for 20 yesrs!
negba 4 years ago
We are all Scots together today!
negba 4 years ago
Thanks 4 your reply negba yes fair play was justified basically being a steward meant we had 2 b in the ground 4hrs before kick off so we saw all the players from both teams sssooob
sssooob 4 years ago
au cumparat meciu ...fack AMERICAN BOYS AND GIRLS
my22car 4 years ago
Memories 4me this game was the last time that i ever set foot in Tannadice i was a ground steward for the last time that day Memories
sssooob 4 years ago
Great to hear from you. What were your memories? What was the game like steward? Was the Fair Play award justified in your opinion? Love to hear from you!
negba 4 years ago
Tannadice was packed to the rafters. We could have sold out Hampden...
gillesbeg 4 years ago
IFK GOTHENBURG <3
Rezoren 4 years ago
Lovely - although remind me what happened 4 days previous :)
Hollz2012 4 years ago
I have a film of that as well!
negba 4 years ago
a botova !
plavusa123 4 years ago
thanks
negba 4 years ago
It is the theme song to "Chariots of Fire" by Vangelis. The first song on "Little Giants" was "One of us" by ABBA.
negba 4 years ago
whats the name of the first song?
reekann 4 years ago
It is the theme song to "Chariots of Fire" by Vangelis. The first song on "Little Giants" was "One of us" by ABBA.
negba 4 years ago
The number of views of the four parts of "Little Giants" now exceeds the number of fans at the actual final in Dundee in 1987.
negba 4 years ago
This is the trailer to "Little Giants" - my film of the 1987 UEFA Cup Final 2nd leg between Dundee United and Goteborg in Dundee. Extracts from "Little Giants" now included on the official Dundee United DVD marking 20 years since that game. The DVD "Flair Play" is on sale online at the Dundee United Shop - price £12.99.
negba 4 years ago
Amazing Flamurtari (Vlora, Albania)
bsnobody 4 years ago
thanks
negba 4 years ago
beautiful one word beautiful
daneyr11 4 years ago
thanks
negba 4 years ago
uerdingen :O
HerrSalami 4 years ago
So good
uefachampionsleague 4 years ago
thanks
negba 4 years ago
Walter Smith Played for United. Its true! I saw him many times in the United strip.
negba 4 years ago
i´ am verry happy.
i have the Finals in full Lenght of DVD !
rumneys1409d 4 years ago
Don't think I ever watched them - it was painful to watched at the time. I think that is why I can watch my own film with such interest and feeling. It was my personal menory. My eye to the lens and my view for a few hours.
negba 4 years ago
Great video. I remember the 3rd round and 2 games against Hajduk Split...If I am not mistaken, the goalie's name was Billy Thompson...also remember great fans and atmosphere up in Scotland. Wish we had more Little Giants like Dundee United.
zmiletic 4 years ago
Thanks. Football brings us together!
negba 4 years ago
Please check my video 'bout UEFA Cup Final 2004
uefachampionsleague 4 years ago
The more time that passes the more amazing it seems that a teasm with gates of 10000 ever got anywhere near a Euro final. Teams like Borussia, Barca, Monaco, Rapid, Standard Liege, Roma must all have thought they were there for a stroll in the park. I remember though feeling so disappointed at the UEFA cup final although most folk around me were cheering United, Gothenburg and, then, Jim McLean as he jogged rouns the pitch to acknowledge the chant that had gone up for him.
litljortindan 4 years ago
Love this video...great job!
ediethegreat 4 years ago
Add your memories of the game and the city of Dundee to "Dundee (and United!)and its history" - my new group on You Tube.
negba 4 years ago