Gargling at the Fountain of Wisdom with Silly Willy Craig

[ecuasxaz]

You are just awesome sauce.

[akylae101]

Why you put Billy with Muppets? Billy too dumb and mean for Muppets. He no deserve it.

Seriously, between the contradictions and the hypocrisy, he's a joke coming and going.

Take care

[Justme8237]

C-hristian loser to truth

[Huttate1]

God is all powerful - of course he cannot destroy iron chariots - Judges 1:19.

So not all all powerful then!

[hatemorethanyou999]

Great Vid Claire! Never heard "Summertime" gargled before!

[DandAinTac]

None of Craig's arguments are original. I've watched a lot of clips of him, and he has yet to offer a single original thought. He is NOT a philosopher, or a scientist. He's just a mouthpiece with a decent vocabulary. However, using words like "teleological" does not make the arguments any more sound or fresh. Christians are apparently impressed with his brash arrogance, but it should not intimidate any rational free-thinking person.

[WildwoodClaire1]

@DandAinTac He is also fond of dropping the names of famous philosophers and citing scientific publications he has obviously never read but which he claim support his views.

[kelliko70]

I just love this video!

[BlondeVagabond28]

I think that if we are to grant the infinite and eternal nature of a God-Being, then multiverses make a lot of sense. It's just a matter of adopting a more lateral way of thinking about it. It also makes the possibilities much more exciting don't you think?

[thedutchman01]

I resent you putting William Lane Craig amonsgt the muppets.

The muppets rule and should not be used in such a way.

[xdassinx]

In the multiverse there is a version of Earth where the hunter gatherer who invented the God concept was never born.

And they all lived happily ever after....

[thedutchman01]

@xdassinx

That is not the multiverse theory. You are talking about parallel universes there. Where a different parallel universe jumps off with every decision we make.

Multiverse is different universes within the same reality next to eachother.

Basically multiverse says the universe is not infinitely huge. It has a finite amount of space in it. Beyond the border is true inifity. Within that inifity multiple big bangs happened. Atleast that's howfar my understanding goes.

[REBMike1]

If all things in the universe are intelligently designed who in their right mind would design Nephilimfree.

[SwineNahNah]

@REBMike1

Nephie is a pre-alpha version, even gods need a little practice before real job. They only forgot to remove Neph from "public server" - gene pool.

[Zaunstar]

I hope Willy and/or his fans don't decide to DMCA you for the clips, Claire. They have certainly shown themselves capable. I wonder if the discovery of other Earth-sized planets will get them to reconsider when we acquire the technology to determine that they are in the so-called "Goldilocks zone" too. By the way, as a geologist, would that basically be the ultimate science fantasy, that you could dig around and study the rocks on another planet with life on it?

[WildwoodClaire1]

@Zaunstar The presence of life is a matter of indifference to me. Simply to study the geology of another planet would be fantastic!

[blackwolf1200]

@WildwoodClaire1 Maybe the 'tards can find their "ever-expanding balloon Earth" or their "ping-pong tectonics" on another planet, leave Earth and tell the poor beings who live there all about how they all came off a big boat one time.

[canadatubeonly]

@Zaunstar

If we could move to another planet , one religion that surely will end is Islam as it is so heavily dependent on MOON.

[cmsalvagio]

I am tired of William Lame Craig, but charlatans like this need to be exposed for the douche bags that they are.

[disrxt]

M-Theory suggests there are 10^500 possible vacuums (sets of physical laws) that a pocket universe can have. In that vast landscape of possibilities a few will be 'fine tuned' for life. Some of that life may even be intelligent! Every time I am forced to listen to Willy Lame Crap it brings this quote to mind: "Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, 'cause there's bugger all down here on Earth." Eric Idle 'The Galaxy Song'

[TychoCelchu]

That's not a fountain of wisdom, it's a bidet. A common mistake amongst creationists.

[dondude69]

@TychoCelchu Glad I wasn't eating or drinking when I read that. Too funny!

[prognemesiss]

given how versatile life is, i think the argument given by WLC an co. is backwards.

LIFE is fine-tuning itself to our universe.

they way they bring it, is if life in ONLY possible in 1 possible way.

[OtherGonzo]

I hate the fine tuning argument, mainly because every time I hear it I keep thinking "They have it backwards, we are fine tuned to this universe"

Of course the rules of this universe seem to be made for us to exist, we exist!

[THEMrFill]

Earth HAS to have been fine tuned for human life - just look, 10% at most is viable for humans to live, and compared to the rest of the Universe, that's AMAZINGLY high - the solar system has only 1 planet on it which is capable of life, let alone human life, and consider it's size, that's about 0.000000001% of the space is capable of human life, so that 10% looks pretty good now

if the Universe WAS designed for human life, 100% of it would be capable of us being able to live there, right? RIGHT?

[USERNAMEfieldempty]

Oh dear, Claire. You are clearly very unskilled and naive in philosophical theology. God is so incredibly complex that he designed and created Himself. Dur! I recommend you read one of WLC's finest, little known works, "Making It Up As I Go Along." published by Guessing Games Press.

[republicofsandles]

This guy is hilariously pretentious.

I accept people can make mistakes, but defending your gross over simplifications,

after you've been informed to the contrary, takes some significant bias.

[USERNAMEfieldempty]

I was thinking the other day about Sam The American Bald Eagle (from The Muppets). Why is this gorgeously tight-arsed, humorless, low-brow, reactionary Republican not included in more Youtube videos?

We should turn Sam into our mascot/representative of the Bible-bashing Youtube whack-nuts.

[USERNAMEfieldempty]

William Lane Craig - the best their side can do.

We are not impressed.

[listen2meokidoki]

@USERNAMEfieldempty Is William Lane Craig actually bald over his frontal lobe? Is appearance as imprtant to him as it is on average to the average American? Could you ever imagine the USA emulating the British TV series, Time Team? Of course not. Even the WILD WEST was imaculately groomed. The USA is therefore, all makeup and little reality.

[listen2meokidoki]

Finite on the one hand, infinite on the other. The moon revoves around the Earth very slowly. Unless you had to run as fast as it actually travels around the Earth. It just seems very slow. And our finite Universe seems motionless. While galaxies take millions of years to rotate. So the point? If God is infinite & beyond multiverses, he can never change or make a decision. Otherwise he'd be FINITE! And then we could prove he is not out there. Our universe is fine tune to find him if he is there.

[listen2meokidoki]

@listen2meokidoki Of course God might be on and the same as Dark matter! Personally, I shudder at the thought. DARK? God is on the dark side? Maybe we should leave dark matter alone. Now I know how Columbus & his crew felt sailing into the void! On the other hand, maybe dark matter, if eaten, will allow us to become immortal! Or even be like the Spice of DUNE and will alolw us to bend time and travel through space! Space, the final fronteer. Blah blah blah.God! Blah blah blah!

[TheBoodle23]

I've never understood why a supposed super powerful being must to adhere to the laws of physics for it to create stuff, yet we're expected to believe that it was no problem for it to occasionally suspend those very laws to impress and/or scare it's favoured people a few thosand years ago.

Some expression about possessing baked goods and consuming them springs to mind.

[Sines314]

@TheBoodle23 Don't forget the murder! He also suspended the laws of physics to murder and/or torture his favoured people. He murdered and tortured his favoured people a lot.

The torture was there when he wanted to murder them, but remembered his covenant with Abraham, and realized he couldn't. Yahweh is a dick, only really concerned about the letter of his promises, and not the spirit of them.

That's why you don't make promises about doing something for centuries, Yahweh.

[mollie2810]

I love it how everybody makes fun of the guy. I don't understand people who even slightly take the guy serious.

[StanMarsh1]

I wonder if WLC would believe someone if they said they won the major prize in the national lottery. "You couldn't have won that, the odds are millions to one!" Same principle.

[DarthAzabrush]

The sad thing is if you accept the whole universal conciousness thing the logcial conclusion is a deity as fucked up in the head as the Fundie Jebus.

[perrin6]

End music sounds like the muppets theme

[flexbrat]

JEEEZZY WEEZZY HE IS SUCH A FCKTARD !

[Holammer]

"sick of this topic"? Not at all! Just don't forget to educate us on geology once in awhile. ;)

[integralmath]

If the multiverse theory is correct, then wouldn't it itself require the same agent postulated by Craig? Where'd all the fine tuning go since, as he argues, most of the local universes in the global universe aren't even life permitting, let alone tuned for it? Do shitty universes also require an 'intelligent' designer? Or can we write those off?

[RyuDarragh]

WLC and many others like him all personally believe the Universe was cast in its present form about 6000 Years ago. But, they don't try and push the "Young Earth" crap because they still believe they can convert Atheists if they try and sound slightly scientific. Their "God" meddles in the day to day affairs of man and may, in fact, be needed to make sure the whole clockwork thing keeps ticking. Hope springs eternal.

[LsBaba]

What pees me off about people like WLC is their attempts to distort new scientific findings to fit their own fantasies, never mind the years/decades/centuries of scientific thinking and research that enabled those findings. If the world were made according to WLC's design, we'd have no science and we'd all still be living in a mediaeval Earth-centric universe.

[MrRedthief]

Goddamnit,goddidit, what more proof do we need. 

[mjh012363]

Another problem with the "fine-tuning" et. al arguments is that it assumes that nothing is more probable than something when something actually could be more probable! ;)

[dewinthemorning]

Very well spotted, Claire! I hadn't noticed that contradiction (but then, there are so many, one has to have three heads and use them correctly, to be able to notice all the many inconsistency in WLC's thinking). First, he gets hold of the 'fine-tuning' argument (which is no argument, there is NO fine-tuning for intelligent life, if you know properly the mechanism of evolution) but, because the multiverse theory does away with it, he hi-jacks that theory too, saying god created the multiverse...

[Misterb0z]

Even if we were to suppose that the various physical constants Craig is alluding to could be anything different to what they were, so what? Perhaps in this alternate reality Jupiter would become a sun, and life arise in its fiery corona. All this supposition leads to is meaningless speculation.

[calmreason]

Good pwnage.

[AussieAtheist1]

The idea of a multiverse, while not currently prohibited, is untested and possibly untestable. I think the fundamental flaw in the finely tuned universe argument is in the mathematics, and this is where it is best countered. (cont)

[AussieAtheist1]

The problem, as I see it, is that it requires a fairly good understanding of physics to appreciate that the potential relationship between the fundamental constants of the universe. The answer ‘I don’t know’, while true and the best possible answer given our current understanding, simply opens the door to blind assertions by apologists. (cont)

[AussieAtheist1]

In this way it doesn’t preclude the concept of a god, particularly one who works through mechanisms such as evolution. (cont)

[AussieAtheist1]

Having said that, I find the response that most of the universe is uninhabitable to be flawed as well. The reason we find ourselves in a universe around 13.5 billion years old is that is how long it takes for several generations of stars to exist, resulting in a universe which can support life. A similar argument could be made that given the laws of physics as we understand them, a universe that can support life is by necessity going to be predominantly hostile to life. (cont)

[AussieAtheist1]

I find the fine tuning argument flawed on both sides. Firstly, without an understanding of the relationship between those fundamental constants any attempt to attribute probabilities to them is just guesswork. A lack of understanding probability has never stopped Christian apologists before (ID is the perfect example), but it is convincing to those less mathematically literate. Without a unified theory encompassing quantum gravity it will remain purely speculative. (cont)

[pilgrimpater]

The odds against fine tuning are overwhelming? Really? Tell you what, not as overwhelming as an uncaused fine tuner ,which i would even go on to say is philisophically impossible. Good job most of can see through this man's pathetically weak arguments. Talking of an uncaused cause, why can't it be the singularity?

Change just one constant and the universe as we know it would be radically different but it would still be a universe and who is WLC to say there would be no resulting form of life?

[Griexxt]

The big question is how it's logically possible for God to cause nothing to become something. There is nothing there for God to apply his powers to. The only creation ex nihilo that makes logical sense is the kind that doesn't require a god.

[rollofnickles]

Love your comedic talents, Claire. You give the best vid.. :)

[teavea10]

It seems the assumption is that only infinitely powerful beings have the power for, or the nature of, pre-existing indefinitely. And being immaterial or "spiritual", and being a "being" seems to help a lot with being indefinitely pre-existent.

[MoMember88]

Aploigetic arguments them selves were the reason I became a Atheist when I saw the woeful WLC for the first time I was like "This is the guy stucking up for god his said to be the and a 10 year old could pwn his arguments"

[KarlPhys]

If anyone knows anything about Physics then they would know that radioactive decay has no cause and that the electron "jump" from a higher energy to a lower energy level has no cause. That is why we can only use statistics to describe these phenomena.

[CMO999]

HEEEEY! I love the Muppet Show! It is dear to me! I am bothered that you would show such an offensive public figure next to my beloved Muppets as though they are comparable in any way!

[Wrath0fKhan]

You forgot to mention the self-authenticating spirit which reportedly resides in Craigs heart.

[BigFatHeretic]

These Christard Funny-mentalists all like to take a piss in the fountain of knowledge!

[TheWisemonkey8]

I had to laugh...

[pythor2]

Actually, I guess you did point it out. But my reasoning went further to say that even if the chance was not 0, and was instead 0.0000000001 or some number very close to 0 but not 0, that means it would have to be inevitable, like you said.

[pythor2]

You should have pointed out that the laws and constants of our universe in hindsight with chance alone are 100% anyway because if it were not possible, like WLC here points out, that means there would have to be a 0% chance to begin with, and our universe would not have come out the way it did, and we would not be here.

[TheWisemonkey8]

Get in there lady C! Get right in there lady!

[TheWingnuterer]

How DARE YOU compare William Craig to the muppets,... The muppets were entertaining and fun,  Willy Lame Craig is,... well not ;)

[TempleOfInanna2]

Ever notice how these sophisticated, philisophical apologists always argue for the idea of a general creator, but not specifics? I find it odd considering that if everyone believed in the general idea of god (deism) tomorrow, it still wouldn't keep them out of the eternal hell that their SPECIFIC faith espouses. If your going to try to prove something, do everyone a favor and get to the point your truely going after.

[TruthSurge]

William Lame Egg. How does he look at himself in a mirror??? oh that's right. no reflection. :)

[TruthSurge]

That's one of my fav pts. If god is so complex, how did he bypass the ID stage? SURELY, something far more intelligent than he had to have designed him?

[SiriusMined]

:-)

The thing that gets me most about the "fine tuning" argument is that as far as we can prove, the only life in the whole universe (that we know of) is on an insignificant hunk of rock, circling an insignificant star, in an insignificant galaxy. I can't even fit enough characters to describe what a tiny fraction of the universe our little rocky lifeboat occupies of the universe. That hardly seems "fine tuned for intelligent life"

[rkyeun]

@SiriusMined

The biomass of the Earth is 5.6*10^17g.

The mass of the universe is 3*10^55g.

The volume of the universe is 4*10^86cm^3.

The percentage of mass in the universe that is Earth biomass is 0.0000000000000000000000000000­00000001867%

The density of Earth biomass in the universe is 0.0000000000000000000000000000­000000000000000000000000000000­00000000014 g/cm^3

[TheTruePooka]

@rkyeun Don't say things like that. It just makes me want to have sex with you and I'm married.

[rkyeun]

@TheTruePooka

Sorry boys, she's married.

TO SCIENCE!

[ozmoroid]

I live near a body of water that was fine tuned to *perfectly* fit into the hole in the ground which it fills. It's really amazing. I've even seen pictures from the bottom of this body of water, and the water extends down *exactly* to where the dirt starts. I mean there is absolutely no gap there. No way that happened "by chance." Hadta be da godz!

[MrLowercaseA]

@ozmoroid That's amazing! How do I join the Church of the Fine Tuned Lake?

@WildwoodClaire1: Gargling Gerswhin. What a treat!

[a7i20ci7y]

Turns out the Universe was created intelligently, by scientists in Japan.

3w casavaria com /sentido/science/2006/06-0802-­new-universe.htm

[RoyalSatanas]

Like the defining picture at the end there, he definitely is a Muppet.

[jagmarz]

That last point just can't be underscored enough. It is the missing piece that kills all fine-tuning arguments. All it takes is an infinity of universes or an infinity of time, and those are trivially simple compared to an infinity of god, who has to be, after all, the most infinite of infinities.

God is so infinite, in fact, there's just no room for him in Hilbert's hotel.

[masluxx]

It takes a special kind of speical to be as speical as this one.

[gamutman]

Oooooo somebody's gonna get a DMCA. I'm downloading for the mirror-a-thon, just in case.

[tristbjorn]

@gamutman -dmca is a christians best friend

[gregrutz]

@tristbjorn I though quote mining was a creatards best friend ?!?

[christo930]

Even if you grant all of his logical positions, it is still a HUGE jump to even a deistic god, let alone Christianity. Even if you say a being has to exist outside of our universe, doesn't mean that being is a god or can telepathically connect with evolved apes on a planet off in a forgotten corner. Why couldn't our universe be a spawn off of another universe, or created by a black hole in another universe? The possibilities are endless.

[christo930]

Even if you grant all of his logical positions, it is still a HUGE jump to even a deistic god, let alone Christianity. Even if you say a being has to exist outside of our universe, doesn't mean that being is a god or can telepathically connect with evolved apes on a planet off in a forgotten corner. Why couldn't our universe be a spawn off of another universe, or created by a black hole in another universe? The possibilities are endless.

[christo930]

Even if you grant all of his logical positions, it is still a HUGE jump to even a deistic god, let alone Christianity. Even if you say a being has to exist outside of our universe, doesn't mean that being is a god or can telepathically connect with evolved apes on a planet off in a forgotten corner. Why couldn't our universe be a spawn off of another universe, or created by a black hole in another universe? The possibilities are endless.

[mbutchin]

Completely off topic-- Carlisle, the Argyle Gargoyle Gargling Gershwin! With Mark Hamil!

I remember see that on the Muppet Show when it first aired.

--Oh, andyourvideowasgreatasusual, Claire....

[complexadaptive]

Fine tuning?...well the vaporous fart had to create something that looks like him...so he had a species to scold, threaten and punish, and ultimately put on the down escalator.

[Zed1967]

WLC is a professional bullshitter. There is no evidence for the existence of any so called ''God'' so we can make the reasoned assumption that a ''God'' does not exist. No person of reason would say that Unicorns or Tooth Fairies exist but there is just as much evidence for them as there is for a ''God''.....Monotheism is also evil, just read their so called ''Holy Books'' and you will see that there is nothing ''Holy'' about them.

[wp4866]

i wish there was an answer to the god question. each side has excellent arguments as to why they are correct.

[tristbjorn]

@wp4866 please provide the excellent arguments from the xian side. So far i've only heard "god did it derp"

[Russlem]

Oh GOD! Willy killed Fozzie and is wearing his skin like a dress! Buffalo Will!

[happyjesus123]

So far we have evidence that parts of this one planet in our solar system are "fine tuned for life" of those parts only some are appropriate for human life.  The rest of the solar system and apparently almost everywhere else in the universe is not fined tuned for life. I think God may need to be "re-tuned".

[JacksInn]

I think Therefore Man is a pretty cool guy. eh therefore's a lot and doesn't afraid of anything.

[TheFeltbegone]

@JacksInn Well. as long as you have an onion on your belt, I'll agree

[ketsan]

"Fine tuning" is more "We don't know how the universe works and that screws our maths up by a certain degree which we call the ................constant"

[benaberry]

its called special pleading, for special people.

[AtheistAussie]

Does Willy ever say anything without a flummoxed look on his face ?

[stromatolite775]

@AtheistAussie Nope! And he always sounds like he is about to cry.

[MillaJanick]

It seems to me calculating the probability of our universe being fine tuned by chance based on the one data point we have is... difficult. How does that work, Dr. Craig?

Second, isn't fine tuning irrelevant for an all-powerful creator? Any universe the creator would be suitable for life regardless of what the physical constants were.

[fdasherv]

He is just a muppet-head sometimes. I like how you snuck that in there at the end.

[wideosvatcher]

what idiot would make a living convincing us sky daddy made everything so death aint gonna be scaweee.....

oh this ass hat

[BlasphemyWerks0]

Is it sinful for me to hope this video get's DMCAed so that the Streisand Effect kicks in and Thunderf00t has more ammo?

[zoxovox]

This is why god is an atheist. God doesn't believe in a higher power.

[FreeformTao]

@zoxovox LOL!

[BelialAndar]

I think WLC should take up the profession of stand-up comedian. Because he is more funny than than philosophical.

[FreeformTao]

I know it's important to highlight creationists ignorance, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to hear much more of their stupid shit. Seriously, it's like nails on a chalk board, everytime they open their mouths. Urgh!

[BelialAndar]

@FreeformTao I agree, I am to the point where I really can not even hold a good argument with a creationist anymore. It's the same crap over and over again, No matter what new arguments we bring to the table, They can not get over using the ones that never work in their favor.

[FreeformTao]

@BelialAndar Yep. That's exactly it. They are like an old record that skips or a scratched cd. LOL. Have a great weekend.

[xXRoBeRtXHaYdNXx]

William Lane Craig doesn't have time to gargle at the fountain of wisdom, silly Claire! He's always much too busy pissing in the pool of knowledge.

[commanderkruge]

@xXRoBeRtXHaYdNXx Or drinking from the bidet of colonic infection... :D

[tristbjorn]

@xXRoBeRtXHaYdNXx +1 Internets for you

[wounduppenguin]

Brilliant, what a well put together video.

it makes me laugh how he always says "fine tuned for *intelligent* life" as if the other types of life on this planet that vastly outnumber us don't count.

The advance of science is inevitable it's only a matter of time before we discover other universes, life on other planets etc. Clinging onto this god of the gaps argument is full of fail.

[Philosification]

Please don't drag the muppets down with Craig, they just don't deserve it :)

That "discovery" of fine tuning is a "discovery" of a made up idea. You can't actually change the constants of the universe.

[christo930]

@Philosification Like Claire pointed out, it's confirmation bias. After all, there could have been trillions of failed universes that came before our own.

[rkyeun]

@Philosification

I think it's a little too early to give up on that.

Maybe in another 10,000 years we'll have that covered?

[tiaxanderson]

@Philosification What I remember is that when a scientists says the universe is fine tuned it means something completely different than 'the universe was fine tuned for a purpose'.

Sadly, when looking it up, I could only find the fine tuned argument which sprang from ignorance. i.e. Where the laws of the universe can only change ever so slightly, but not more or the religious version.

Either a wrong as several studies pointed out we can leave out one or more of the four fundamental forces

[Philosification]

@tiaxanderson The idea of a finely tuned universe is was only conceptual from what I could tell, there was no actual way you can change them. Its posing a "what if", and as far as I have seen the only "non-theological" scientists taking this as a real possibility are some of the string theorists as it works with some of their stranger math. Noone arguing for "fine tuning" has ever posed even a theoretical way to change any of the constants. It's claiming "constants = not constant"

[tiaxanderson]

@Philosification When scientists research about changing the constants of the universe, they're researching what the likely outcome would be.

This isn't about changing them, this is about what if it was not as we know it, but...

[Philosification]

@tiaxanderson Well yes, it's hypothesizing and that's my point. Willy Craig had referred to it as a "discovery" though; which is claiming that "fine tuning" is a real thing, which it is not. It's a thought experiment and nothing more. He may as well put a "-g" in the equations and claim that he "discovered" anti-gravity.

[tiaxanderson]

@Philosification No, it's more than just a thought experiment. They have very serious facts that support their valid conclusions.

Granted, they can't change the constants the universe, but if a like that exists it could look surprisingly similar to ours.

[kalsolarUK]

Of course Willy now says that god may not have to be really complex at all and may be a very simple being. Judging by how he acts in the old testament...I'd second that.

[deepashtray]

The whole argument about the universe being fine tuned for life only serves to illustrate how stunted Craig's intellect really is.

[bonnie43uk]

The planet earth sure took a heck of a lot of fine tuning to make it habitable for humans to exist, I'd like to see how Craig would have got on had he been here a mere billion years ago, i think he might struggle a bit with his breathing!

[fossfass]

Ah youtube... how did I begin watching Hallsing AMVs and ended up here?

Well, doesn't matter, still awesome :D

[talkingprimate]

Gimme a "C", a bouncy "C"!

[S1nwar]

"discovery of fine tuning of the universe" haha

[ArjunaMysterytramp]

@S1nwar Exactly what I though!

[BlueAvantiGuy]

First post first post

yipppppeeeeee

[hunga224]

@BlueAvantiGuy First posters, while they themselves often believe that they are serving a valuable purpose and/or accomplishing something by being first, are generally disrespected by much of the rest of the online community.