ummm thats cool and everything... but wheres the engine? i like that they took the retro location in the rear under the hatch and opted to put in chairs instead of a powertrain. lol unless you can push this thing i wouldnt look for it to come out anytime soon
I was hoping it was already made. There is such a demand for smaller camping vehicles, I can't abelieve the automobile companies haven't explored that venue.
este coche viajante es de verdad o es de juguete, super calidad magnifica me gustaria que fuera si porque conocer mundo es un premio de la naturaleza...
Staatliches Bauhaus Wiemar "The Bauhaus had a profound influence upon subsequent developments in art, architecture, graphic design, interior design, industrial design, and typography."
VW do have engines in the back. But this is the future and I've already seen flat engines so may be he's imagined one of them up. It's not VW but I fall in love with this design every time!
@MrOwentheMonster Just for the record, I DO know a few things. I owned a VW camper and where the engine is suppose to be I only see chairs and a couch/folding bed. So unless you feed yourself with some beans and push it by your gas powered self it will sit in the garage.
Build it build it build it this is lovely love at first sit perfect for family get aways I'm building a 71 pop VW would make mint if they build this we would buy two the mrs loves it to dam they (being VW MOTORS ) need to build these combies love it love it 100/10
Why would VW not build this. I have a 90 pop top. Cant tell you how much we love it, or how easy it would be to sell cuz people love them. I hope if they do build it, it will have the ground clearance of the pre 92's and they have a "syncro" option.
I'd love to see this thing built. Mid-engined rear-wheel drive, engine options: gasoline and turbo diesel. What are you waiting for, VW? Build the damn van! People have been waiting forever.
Yes. The sooner the better. My pop-top used 72 only cost a couple of thousand though. I can see new concept this being way expensive....My 65 vanagon I built a camper into and toured all over Mexico. The expanding roof/room extensions are extremely nice. Get on it!!
Very nice but I bet the price is not equivalent to the original affordable (working class) classic. It will cost a fortune, meant as a fun gadget for overpaid executives or lottery winners alongside their top class mercedes!
I bet the price is not equivalent to the original affordable (working class) classic, it will cost a fortune, meant as a fun gadget for overpaid executives alongside their top class mercedes!
@standardmagnus Ah, I didn't know they'd actually made a real one of this model. All I've seen on the news is the new Bulli van (kind of a disappointment).
To be Honest with you,the way it pops itself down on the ground it kind of reminds me of Turtle .So maybe they should just call it " THE TURTLE " by Volkwagon.I mean its something you would take to Travel and also Live In,Like A turtle.Just a thought. Ken
Who could afford it? The awning should also be solar panels. This should be a hybrid hydrogen fuel/fuel cell run vehicle as well.:D Camping with the Jetsons.
@Pookatube RITE ON MAN!!! VW needs to dump that Chrysler made piece of garbage!
We the people and as consumers need to start VOICING our opions to car companies. Please start wrighting letters to Corp. headquaters.
I recently heard from a VW corp. headquaters employee... That VW changed the tightness in the cars steering wheel because sooooo many American buyers where complaining about thier needing to use to much effort to turn the steering wheel. A euro car should drive like one!!
Great. When you finish firing those idiots who came up with the Eurovan, build this van with "UTILITY" NOT COMFORT even though that would be a plus, then I will buy a New VW.
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.......i Have been holding this vision for about ten years... PLEASE GOD HELP THEM BUILD IT...LOVE WILL LEAD THE WAY TO BUYERS ALL OVER THE WORLD...♥♥♥
VW, or the aftermarket industry, could offer this with a variety of external design 'skins' ranging from ultra retro T2 look right through to ultra modern renewable timbers, bamboo and hessian internal materials. This would increase their audience and leave no two new vans looking the same. It looks like a fantastic basis for a range convey similar to what BMW have done with the Mini but with thousands more combinations. Martin
This is fantastic. As a past owner of two VW campers, I'd buy this one in a second. And so would lots of my friends. This is the next gen camper we've all been waiting for. Just make it VW. Be the leader you used to be.
WOW! Really a good idea! But i don't like the exterior design, more personality...it must be like a real thing! Like old vw van, the van with a soul inside! ;)
Even if this became reality, I wouldn't take a single glance at it for one reason: VW wouldn't dare sell here even though I would eagerly pay to have one. One example: one camper van they make that I really want is called the California. Why would they name it that if you can't even get it in the US or Canada? But then, I suspect it's mostly our own fault since more than half of all Americans are overweight so they wouldn't fit anyway.
everything about this is possible except the bed loft on top that rises. because if you watch at 00:45 when it rises nothing in the cab moves up along with it
Ugly...yup....just screams VW...seems to be their thing...vehicles so ugly you just have to love them : ) (or not)...sux that the engine ain't back in the back where it belongs....looks kinda like a bay and a wedge had a kid XD
@Struckgold EVEN the Japanese??? Germans way outdo the Japs no question! Even most of the Asian cars are affiliated with Germany somehow i.e. car parts, engineering, designs, technology etc...
@Judas666Schrader. Japanese cars are much more reliable and better built than german cars. What I meant was the Japanese have a reputation for getting the most out of a small space or making very innovative compact technology - i.e. the 'walkman' and other such products.
@Struckgold that is the worst statment i have ever heard. German cars have more million mile cars than japs will ever have. until the japs have a good history then germans are and will be much more reliable.
@komahoby Japanese cars have been consistantly out-preforming German cars now for years as regards overall reliability. Million mile cars are usually collectors items and perhaps there are more German built ones but you do not set the parameters of the isssue to make what you say factual. Check J.D. Power surveys for the correct answer (Japanese Cars)
Yeah thats all great, but did any of you think about where all of the things that pop out of the vehicle goes, like if you look at 0:46...Thats a huge thing WITH A BED IN IT. Is it just meant to magicly disapear...Please respond!
@danyofdeath No, the fabric on the sides are cloth. It's like a tent, it folds in and becomes flat. I know because I actually own a VW California, and my roof rises and has a double bed just like this one.
too bad half of the ideas are impossible, so easy to pretend the big canopies roll out 20 feet but do you know how much room you need to store 20 ft by 15 ft worth of canvas?
ummm thats cool and everything... but wheres the engine? i like that they took the retro location in the rear under the hatch and opted to put in chairs instead of a powertrain. lol unless you can push this thing i wouldnt look for it to come out anytime soon
TheSnyderd5 2 days ago
I was hoping it was already made. There is such a demand for smaller camping vehicles, I can't abelieve the automobile companies haven't explored that venue.
MMR45660 3 days ago
Sick
ferp420 1 week ago
if this was ever made i would totally buy it and probably just start to live in it haha.
I4GET2P 2 weeks ago
I think this is awesome!
recklessdreamer1 3 weeks ago
another concept that won't come out
717kool 3 weeks ago
The classics are the best get this off my screen :-(
Jacobsjustbetter 1 month ago
What is the song?
onearmedmario 2 months ago
este coche viajante es de verdad o es de juguete, super calidad magnifica me gustaria que fuera si porque conocer mundo es un premio de la naturaleza...
madecabago 2 months ago
thats gay as hell i have to say im pissed at my german cuzins
Monster0wen 3 months ago
@evereyone buy it and get flipped for fun! it will seroiusly be fun!
TheTedscamaro 3 months ago
Is that for relay?
gunkiller25 3 months ago
Une forme d'une idée sur la vision du futur réunissant les biomatériaux et la nature.
Eine Vorstellung von Vision in die Zukunft mit Biomaterialien und Natur.
AutoJobh 4 months ago
Staatliches Bauhaus Wiemar "The Bauhaus had a profound influence upon subsequent developments in art, architecture, graphic design, interior design, industrial design, and typography."
0260mkg 4 months ago
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0260mkg 4 months ago
It's been 5 years, is it on the road yet?
deezynar 4 months ago
Es ist sehr schön als zukunft wenn ist das möglich zu fahren und leben mit.
AutoJobh 4 months ago
You have actually got that design close to the California. Nice campervan anyway.
aimanbaghiani 4 months ago
im still trying to work out how that roof went up:P
filmaker93 4 months ago
Now you can abduct children in style.
elwood180 5 months ago
VW do have engines in the back. But this is the future and I've already seen flat engines so may be he's imagined one of them up. It's not VW but I fall in love with this design every time!
loonatic323 5 months ago
Its all good but,,,where's the engine?
petropolitan 5 months ago
@petropolitan in the back like all the vw campers, u know nothing
MrOwentheMonster 5 months ago
@MrOwentheMonster Just for the record, I DO know a few things. I owned a VW camper and where the engine is suppose to be I only see chairs and a couch/folding bed. So unless you feed yourself with some beans and push it by your gas powered self it will sit in the garage.
petropolitan 5 months ago
key word here people "MIGHT"
liskrocks 5 months ago
@dannycasler it is real and my mom and dad wanted it
TheTedscamaro 5 months ago
please tell me this is real
dannycasler 5 months ago
my mom wants that and even you!
TheTedscamaro 5 months ago
@sunny4kill is that color in this vid?
TheTedscamaro 5 months ago
EVEN A TENT!!!!!
TheTedscamaro 5 months ago
WHOA!!!!!SO AWESOME AND MAKES A SHADOW AND A BED!!!! DID YOU SEE THAT?!?!
TheTedscamaro 5 months ago
what of a bathroom?
adamwest456 5 months ago
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mgrzywacz 6 months ago
the front and back look the same!
twonkoe 6 months ago
Build it build it build it this is lovely love at first sit perfect for family get aways I'm building a 71 pop VW would make mint if they build this we would buy two the mrs loves it to dam they (being VW MOTORS ) need to build these combies love it love it 100/10
iitra 6 months ago
OMFG that one with the woodgrain is fuggin sweeeeet! I WANT ONE BAD!
MrRobbyrocket 7 months ago
oh fuck yes.....
YouCanCallMeCharlz 7 months ago
i would buy it however i am only 13!
sub4subkidmagic 7 months ago
if you build it they will come
llienomit 7 months ago
FUCKING WIN!
BucketSeeker 7 months ago
Хороше відео!
MrHappinessm 7 months ago
I agree! I've had this video for a few years and I look at it all the time. Wondering "how can I make this work"?
campin82 8 months ago
I sooooo want this camper they seriously need to build it and i was just wondering what's the name of the song
babyautumn35 8 months ago
Why would VW not build this. I have a 90 pop top. Cant tell you how much we love it, or how easy it would be to sell cuz people love them. I hope if they do build it, it will have the ground clearance of the pre 92's and they have a "syncro" option.
krichards816 8 months ago
this is fucking CLASS!!
jimgoesboom 8 months ago
I'd love to see this thing built. Mid-engined rear-wheel drive, engine options: gasoline and turbo diesel. What are you waiting for, VW? Build the damn van! People have been waiting forever.
Seattlecarnut 8 months ago
I'm still waiting for VW to put a shower deal in these things.
3daywkend 9 months ago
damn i want one. gonna sell my house to buy one, and travel the west.
nakasoner 9 months ago
Yes. The sooner the better. My pop-top used 72 only cost a couple of thousand though. I can see new concept this being way expensive....My 65 vanagon I built a camper into and toured all over Mexico. The expanding roof/room extensions are extremely nice. Get on it!!
janetbratter1 9 months ago
Build it already...as a hybrid. I'll buy it.
amalone6 9 months ago
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BabyyayRosiaaj769 10 months ago
Very nice but I bet the price is not equivalent to the original affordable (working class) classic. It will cost a fortune, meant as a fun gadget for overpaid executives or lottery winners alongside their top class mercedes!
ELPaso1990TX 10 months ago 2
I bet the price is not equivalent to the original affordable (working class) classic, it will cost a fortune, meant as a fun gadget for overpaid executives alongside their top class mercedes!
ELPaso1990TX 10 months ago
beautiful!
vaporize32 10 months ago
cute!!(・o・)
amazing!!!!!
kitty513yuko 10 months ago
i love this its ned
Thefashionlover16 10 months ago
that is literally a portable house
Blackburnguitartutor 10 months ago
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how annoying is the music! makes me want to punch someone! lol
Cool Van tho
epicfishful 10 months ago
how annoying is the music! makes me want to punch someone! lol
Cool Van tho
epicfishful 10 months ago
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@epicfishful Cannae wrap your head around it, eh?
deltavee2 7 months ago
There last concept went nowhere.
1nickknock 10 months ago
I want one.. Really bad...
n3bxh 10 months ago
Yes, build it - I LOVE IT - Modern Haus on wheels!
Willabean1 11 months ago
They should've made this instead of the Bulli.
phantasmbunny 11 months ago
Probably the coolest thing I have ever seen..
livingames 11 months ago
stop a second!
where the hell would the engine go!
standardmagnus 11 months ago
@standardmagnus In the old models, it used to go in the boot (not very safe in the case of a rear collision, but so it went).
phantasmbunny 11 months ago
@phantasmbunny i know, but in the real one of this it has a enlarged front for the engine, where as this animation, it does not.
standardmagnus 11 months ago
@standardmagnus Ah, I didn't know they'd actually made a real one of this model. All I've seen on the news is the new Bulli van (kind of a disappointment).
phantasmbunny 11 months ago
@phantasmbunny yeah,but it's obviously HEAVILY borrowed from this concept, if not completely stole the design.
but, all i can say is, can't wait to autosleeper or devon get there hands on this and start to make conversion kits for it.
standardmagnus 11 months ago
Bullshit...They will never build it.
Trolleymoose 11 months ago
We'll be hitting Delfest in Style Elliot!
mookiesk8er 1 year ago
To be Honest with you,the way it pops itself down on the ground it kind of reminds me of Turtle .So maybe they should just call it " THE TURTLE " by Volkwagon.I mean its something you would take to Travel and also Live In,Like A turtle.Just a thought. Ken
savedturtle 1 year ago
The song makes me want to shoot as many people as I can
socialmarauder 1 year ago
Who could afford it? The awning should also be solar panels. This should be a hybrid hydrogen fuel/fuel cell run vehicle as well.:D Camping with the Jetsons.
aleon1018 1 year ago
build it and they will come
srok62 1 year ago
Looks up vw california : )
carlnavarro 1 year ago
Yes but is it a hovercraft?
radb 1 year ago
Graet Vid Whats song name?
paardendrol3000 1 year ago
DUMP THE ROUTAN!!! Build the new VW Micro Bus/Camper van in the USA!
Pookatube 1 year ago
@Pookatube RITE ON MAN!!! VW needs to dump that Chrysler made piece of garbage!
We the people and as consumers need to start VOICING our opions to car companies. Please start wrighting letters to Corp. headquaters.
I recently heard from a VW corp. headquaters employee... That VW changed the tightness in the cars steering wheel because sooooo many American buyers where complaining about thier needing to use to much effort to turn the steering wheel. A euro car should drive like one!!
curlyque82 1 year ago
@curlyque82
So many spelling and grammar mistakes, that I don't even know where to start.
VW is not building this nor did they have any input on this van. This was created for a design challenge sponsored by Michelin.
carguy53 1 year ago
This is so fricking beast!
MegaTreflipKing 1 year ago
Great love but the tire colors
teedome3284 1 year ago
So.... Where's the engine?
Kitanohydros 1 year ago
@Kitanohydros
vuzik4u 10 months ago
That shit is hot.
BadassCeino 1 year ago
I want this!!!!
gabrielamaro100 1 year ago
I. Want. This.
giddig 1 year ago
Great. When you finish firing those idiots who came up with the Eurovan, build this van with "UTILITY" NOT COMFORT even though that would be a plus, then I will buy a New VW.
kombibus 1 year ago
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.......i Have been holding this vision for about ten years... PLEASE GOD HELP THEM BUILD IT...LOVE WILL LEAD THE WAY TO BUYERS ALL OVER THE WORLD...♥♥♥
lauret1937 1 year ago
Now if it would just fold up into a briefcase that would be awesome.
armortron 1 year ago
what the song ? anyone know mail me .. my son loves it lol he's 3
Titankilla1982 1 year ago
VW, or the aftermarket industry, could offer this with a variety of external design 'skins' ranging from ultra retro T2 look right through to ultra modern renewable timbers, bamboo and hessian internal materials. This would increase their audience and leave no two new vans looking the same. It looks like a fantastic basis for a range convey similar to what BMW have done with the Mini but with thousands more combinations. Martin
mwoods666 1 year ago
a tan one with red window tint ! and the older vw van hubcaps
vespaT27 1 year ago
volkwagen does it again...
andrekkezero 1 year ago
ooooh O.o
frostedlambs 1 year ago
just a Dream kkkk
fabiovitalino11 1 year ago
I NEED ONE TOO,,,,,,,,,,,,,
titop222 1 year ago
holy shit...i want one so bad right now
AveragelifeofKai 1 year ago
great concept
donh6 1 year ago
I would buy this so quick.
Jooshman54 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!! THAT IS AMAZING! Hope VW sees this!
TTC8111 1 year ago
I want one....how much? When will it be available?
ushutterbugg 1 year ago
i want all of this shit on a 23 window T1 samba with safari windows!!!!
michaelmeel 1 year ago
This is fantastic. As a past owner of two VW campers, I'd buy this one in a second. And so would lots of my friends. This is the next gen camper we've all been waiting for. Just make it VW. Be the leader you used to be.
Fritzenheimer 1 year ago
when does it go on sale
Alunism 1 year ago
Awesome, but be sure to make it rear engine again.
Vidiwell100 1 year ago
amazing :)
NiCHY13 1 year ago
WOW! Really a good idea! But i don't like the exterior design, more personality...it must be like a real thing! Like old vw van, the van with a soul inside! ;)
TIX74 1 year ago
love the solar panels on the roof.
mike1957a 1 year ago
Epic
beedubs 1 year ago
that was cooler than i thought it would be
2ZURNESS 1 year ago
Even if this became reality, I wouldn't take a single glance at it for one reason: VW wouldn't dare sell here even though I would eagerly pay to have one. One example: one camper van they make that I really want is called the California. Why would they name it that if you can't even get it in the US or Canada? But then, I suspect it's mostly our own fault since more than half of all Americans are overweight so they wouldn't fit anyway.
starlionblue 1 year ago
2 words: killed it.
A7XDom 1 year ago
No. absolutely not.
nickatube 1 year ago
No. absolutely not.
nickatube 1 year ago
Love it
paulcater 1 year ago
Sweet. Give it some personality (the exterior design looks so mediocre-futuristic-80's-movie-like-kind-of-car.) and I'll buy one
Tidermans 1 year ago
I want a Brabus tuned version in black :D
sunny4kill 1 year ago 10
Cus too many people get assed from someone going 100mph and explode!!
micahboynton 1 year ago
It has solar pannels i think.
daskoenig1 1 year ago
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Awesome should look like the old ones though
Kimbrockett37 1 year ago
I want one!
lemonmeringuepie 1 year ago
Cool
pugsrkool 1 year ago
everything about this is possible except the bed loft on top that rises. because if you watch at 00:45 when it rises nothing in the cab moves up along with it
DaddyDoctor123 1 year ago
this is amazing but virtually impossible
Herbaver 1 year ago
When will they sell its????? Alot of people want one.
kenster380 1 year ago
INCREÍBLE!
Cris668 1 year ago
When will it be on the market ,,,I want one hurry up VW dealers ,,oh and i hope it will be able to climb hills no problem,loll.???
kenster380 1 year ago
a house in a car
11myedu 1 year ago
ok I want one.. glb
GLB1TRDR 1 year ago
the tent aspect of it is simply AMAZING!!
kappy0405 1 year ago
hot
queentatonka 1 year ago
nice
but you might as well buy a lambo because this will be very expensive
HelloMyNameIsTyson 1 year ago
whats the song?
Candera 1 year ago
can i have 1
ballygeale1 1 year ago
Why did they get rid of the engine being in back? That's part of what made VW's cool. :(
Fallrider 1 year ago 2
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so sick make this shit and people willlllll buy it!
progettiriciclati 1 year ago
VW, Build this damn thing already. Enough teasing...
gsh1234567 1 year ago 24
@gsh1234567 they did?
yorrickwi 1 year ago
Ugly...yup....just screams VW...seems to be their thing...vehicles so ugly you just have to love them : ) (or not)...sux that the engine ain't back in the back where it belongs....looks kinda like a bay and a wedge had a kid XD
dfinitlydisturbd 1 year ago
thats gonna leave a dent in my wallet lmao
sexykid965 1 year ago
Reminds me of my old 1971 Transporter. I hope dealer network improves.
wingzofsteel 1 year ago
OK, WOW, I want one!!! Purple please:)
hitwithafish22 1 year ago
i want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
levig090 1 year ago
I
WANT
ONE!!!
thespiswolf 1 year ago
LMFAO
declandude10 1 year ago
That's enough to make even the Japanese jealous!
Struckgold 1 year ago
@Struckgold EVEN the Japanese??? Germans way outdo the Japs no question! Even most of the Asian cars are affiliated with Germany somehow i.e. car parts, engineering, designs, technology etc...
Judas666Schrader 1 year ago
@Judas666Schrader. Japanese cars are much more reliable and better built than german cars. What I meant was the Japanese have a reputation for getting the most out of a small space or making very innovative compact technology - i.e. the 'walkman' and other such products.
Struckgold 1 year ago
@Struckgold that is the worst statment i have ever heard. German cars have more million mile cars than japs will ever have. until the japs have a good history then germans are and will be much more reliable.
komahoby 1 year ago
@komahoby Japanese cars have been consistantly out-preforming German cars now for years as regards overall reliability. Million mile cars are usually collectors items and perhaps there are more German built ones but you do not set the parameters of the isssue to make what you say factual. Check J.D. Power surveys for the correct answer (Japanese Cars)
Struckgold 1 year ago
YES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
CaptinSpaulding24 1 year ago
I will buy One! Just Produce it!
So will all my friends!
magnetichinge 1 year ago
ooooooohhhhh I want one :)
fanattic49er 1 year ago
i hope the design on the tent/awning portion is solid. it looks like there will be much pain getting that all setup.
smooveslg 1 year ago
Yeah thats all great, but did any of you think about where all of the things that pop out of the vehicle goes, like if you look at 0:46...Thats a huge thing WITH A BED IN IT. Is it just meant to magicly disapear...Please respond!
danyofdeath 1 year ago
@danyofdeath No, the fabric on the sides are cloth. It's like a tent, it folds in and becomes flat. I know because I actually own a VW California, and my roof rises and has a double bed just like this one.
HosteDenis 1 year ago
wow a hyper combi.... nice
1sthorn 1 year ago
My Future Car. ..Saving every penny for it when it comes out.
TheJuliettrose248 1 year ago
looks cool, but i'll always love the original design more :/
Iamakrakenfromthesea 1 year ago
ill take 2 of those(:
theeshizzjayy 1 year ago
___yeah perfect home anywhere! almost anywhere, but pretty cool!
hominidae7sp 1 year ago
very nice...gj :D
katalyn27 1 year ago
Wishful thinking!
wilbo38 1 year ago
wow... that thing looks BAD-ASS!!
demonoid47 1 year ago
I will buy this one and will sell all my T3 bullies immediately! ;-)
goldmundelectronica 1 year ago
That kicks bootie!
mistacannonball 1 year ago
if the there is no nets for the front the bugs can go right under the bus and into the nets :S kinda pointless.
siretokkor 1 year ago
if you build it they will come!!!!!!!
misterblobbyman 1 year ago
Vw Camper for ever!!!
SelbstProduktion 1 year ago
YES PLEASE
brotherbongo 1 year ago
im deffnly guna buy en she comes out
number1raider1993 1 year ago
im going to drive my 88 corolla and save my money until they come out with a new camper then im buyin that shit and ill drive it till i die
DblJ033 1 year ago
I would so camp in that.
snobahr 1 year ago
A true dream come true! Make it so!
kyndsister 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT THAT IS BEAST
matthewcaptin 1 year ago
vw;;simply, the best ,for my girls~~~
veedubyuh82 1 year ago
too bad half of the ideas are impossible, so easy to pretend the big canopies roll out 20 feet but do you know how much room you need to store 20 ft by 15 ft worth of canvas?
johnmonk66 1 year ago
make it look like the old one
ollieoniel 1 year ago
how does the top fit inside the vehicle? is it solid, or someway it folds..?
volkswagenlovertx 1 year ago
People with that kind of money don't go camping no market for it
ELhazo 1 year ago
thats actually a real good point
colinf94404 1 year ago