No flare autorotation

[stevecav1138]

Heli skiing: you're doing it wrong :)

[hcoptertx]

Not a "no flare" but an autorotation with a "run on" landing would be more appropriate terminology.

[WORRO01]

Love it!

[leadandbrass1]

i just may shit my pants in my first autorotation test in a r-44

[alitmz]

@leadandbrass1 diapers my brother, diapers.. I too am awaiting my first poopage. lol

[gallows24]

sweet!

[bruno600]

baby flare

[goldroadac08]

I would like to see one of those in an R-22. I would be soooo impressed because our low inertia rotor system would make a soft landing almost impossible.

[helipilot3333]

@goldroadac08 Yeah I think I would do that in an R44 but not a 22....yuck.

[goldroadac08]

I would like to see one of those in an R-22. I would be soooo impressed because our low inertia rotor system would make a soft landing almost impossible.

[camp69]

Nice run on. Auto's imply some kind of flare but nicely done.

[mjm9536]

@camp69 auto's do not imply any kind of flare at all yes the procedure generally includes a flare but you better have enough SA to realize if you should not flare. with enough of a headwind/headwind component if will drop like a rock. and calling it a run on is a misnomer. run on landings generally speaking are accomplished with power except in the case of certain tail rotor malf's where you will use your forward airspeed to maintain directional control and accomplish a run on.

[cerfew601]

"Alright, we made i---" *skid hits pothole* *helicopter flips* "SHIT!!"

Sheesh, that drop was crazy fast. I'd be shitting my pants on my first autorotation landing attempt.

[hankevans83]

this choppa got wheels or did he just ride the ski,s across the grass??

[travers114]

@hankevans83 Helicopter skids are for skidding my friend.

[raulrusboy]

@hankevans83 Skids on the grass baby XD

[DMFK1981]

Maverickf22flyer. Thanks for the physics lesson...lol...jk. You're right, that was a "flare". But, I think most would agree, not a flare that is commonly used for autos.

[jongkongmas]

the pilot just hit the e-brake...thank god its not toyota...

[upublic]

schweeeet

[Maverickf22flyer]

@DMFK1981 Using the collective(increasing blade alpha), increases lift which also gives you a nose pitch up, or using the cyclic stick to increase the total AoA, thus doing the same thing as the first one..., they both act as a FLARE on a landing condition and i guess this is what you saw as well in this video...!

Now stop acting like a Youtube expert!

[alitmz]

@DMFK1981 what if my work "cubicle" is the PIC seat in a AW139? (i wish! ...one day:)

[bebajoro77]

Very neat, right on the low rotor warning at touchdown.

[HeliPilotWill]

i'd love to have a ride in a heli and them do autorotation! It would be like on a rollercoaster except knowing if you're gonna live or die!!

[gadget666]

that was a very shallow flare, but still a flare

[charlieechovictor]

@gadget666 ...

[america4evr]

@gadget666 Idk man it looked like he was just leveling the ship not trying to flare at all, just seems like he got in a bit of a nose down attitude there but Ill never know, I wasnt flyin it!

[thesecretcollection2]

it's kinda like skiing, but not...

[rva1945]

GOOD TRAINING + COLD BLOOD

[motokid032]

He could have, but he would have fell right back down when lift dissapeared ; P

[unapro3]

Hate to burst ya bubble on the title, but there most definately was some flare. Not enough to stop the run on landing, but enough to stop the heli from augering in.

[dudumillencolins]

so its not a flare, its just a lift recovering with collective.

[unapro3]

Not sure what you are saying here. There is a flare, it is not much, but it is definately there. If there was no flare, the helicopters AoA would remain constant, but it does not.

[Recidivist2007]

Great job

[motokid032]

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

[damifo1212]

how much wind was there that day? who's machine is it?

[russcarljohnson]

i could not do this for a living.

[Mattessj]

wats the rpm of the turbine when you flare?????

[spidey692003]

The turbine engine rpm does not fluctuate or change in anyway juring a flare, only if throttle (more fuel) is added.

Rotor RPM increases during the flare, and the speed of which depends, how long you hold the flare, how sharply you apply aft cyclic etc, you have to be careful not to exceed rrpm in the flare in autorotaion as the governor is disconnected in the 206 at 85%, 80% in both Robinsons. U have to be as careful not to let rrpm go to high nearly as much as alloying it not to go to low...

[HeliRy]

engine rpm at ilde, so in a C20 engine like this about 58% Ng, give or take a few percent depending on how it's rigged.

[viper11159]

Its simple, all he did was a run on landing, easy to do and even more fun is a running take off.Run on requires a minimal flare if nothing and take off you should'nt pull any aft cyclic if you know what your doing.

[ErasmusIII]

Is this possible on asphalt/concrete

[danbundschuh]

yes

[beeyayitch]

Run-on autorotations require little to no flare. 206/67 autos are completely different from those of UH1s. Every auto I ever did I wanted to land heels first. You can't do that in a 67, you'll whack the tail. My IP told me every time, "That would have been a 100% perfect auto -IF you were in a UH1." The landing in this video is nuts, it would be so easy to catch a toe in the dirt doing a run-on anywhere besides on a paved runway. MAD PROPS to this pilot!

[choppergamgee]

He must have been in a decelerative attitude as he landed on the heels first. I fly UH1Hs and we practise this "Constant Attitude" technique a fair bit. Generally we fly it not below 35KIAS and take a shap pitch pull at about 50ft. You have to time it just right and it can be a bit pants-browning at times! We also do all our Engine Offs to grass except for the odd hover engine off to the tarmac.

[StellaInc]

if he did flare he barely did sorta looked level to me

[bunjit1]

I think the guy does flare. You can see the angle of attack shallow out before he contqacts the ground. A flare does not necessarily have to be of the type that removes all forward velocity. A no flare auto implies flying into the ground without adding collective ( which by the way always causes a flare when you pull coll no matter how minute).

Yep, good landing. I don't know if I'd do that small a flare if the grass didn't look nice and slippery like it does. hehe.

[hangingchads]

Um dude if you don't pull collective at the bottom then you are going to ball it up. Think about it! I have no time in this type of bird but most autos give you a decent rate of more than 1000fpm meaning if you don't pull at the end then you are going to smack the ground hard! Pulling collective is not flairing Its increasing AOA which is what a flair does but a flair is relative to what the aircraft is doing. Flair is pulling back on the stick to slow or build RPM or both. In so many words...

[bunjit1]

What does "Um dude" mean? I don't think you understood what I had written. Flaring in a heli usually incorporates playing with collective as well as rearward cyclic simply because of the nature of the beast. Where did I say he didn't pull collective? My comment indicates that you must add collective. ie no such thing as a no flare landing.

cheers,

dave.

[hangingchads]

Quote "A no flare auto implies flying into the ground without adding collective ( which by the way always causes a flare when you pull coll no matter how minute)."

You say no flair auto, you fly into ground without adding collective. If you have enough coll in to keep RPM you are too high decent to land safe. Thus you must pull coll at the bottom like a hover auto. Your right I didn't understand what you are saying, it does not make much since to me. How dose pull coll cause flair?

[bunjit1]

As I suspected you don't appear to understand so I won't continue.

thanks,

dave.

[hangingchads]

Apperently not... The idea sent is not the idea recieved.

[pyroguy55]

man i hate it when u guys try to act all smart and try complicate something so simple so you sound 'smart' the sole reason he doesnt need to flair is because the blades on a 206 are fricken heavy.. therefore carry alot of momentum.... no flair required to slow ROD or forward movement. in some cases you could even lift back off the ground and touch down again with the amount of momentum those blades have.

[wale43703]

Amen bro. I know nothing about helicopters so I let others say something. I fly planes.

[WOC443]

Actually, no he couldn't have taken back off. Did you noticed his lower rotor light come on right as he touched down?

[ltommer]

wow your so smart, how do i lern to be smart ?

[MrRay47]

Good landing. I'm an American, former UH-1/AH-1 driver. Coming down with that much forward velocity onto grass sure made me nervous. I guess your military prefers to chance it in return for far less wear on the skids. aloha :)

[bbjsw10]

Nice one! looked pretty smooth.

[notar1]

no not true we use what energy we have in the rotors and with the descending air going through the bladed we are able to keep the rotors going for one last flare before touch down.the rotors goes into neutral like a car rolling downhill

[zforce69]

You sir, are an A grade RETARD.... Down Vote...

[tjenk71]

Wow, Zforce, you never understood that the post was a flame on consipracy theorists......look at the comment "by the way, nice auto" what did you think I was talking about? car? Don't feel stupid, not everyone can be 20/20

[RockMancuso]

He's retarded? LMAO. You're the fucking retard. The stupidity of people on the internet never ceases to amaze me

[helianimal]

Nice timing

[srefondini]

Americans love concrete ...Europeans mainly prefer grass! May I suggest a try in between 20 and 30kts? ...unless it was already so! Well done guys.

[DemonDude01313]

ncie landing! if yor skids cought though u would have flipped forward.

[loadermen]

very good

[nais26]

Good work mate! kept a beautiful angle all the way home.

[sbergman75]

nicely executed!

[JoMo91]

alexvariocam i love you forever!!! i love the sound of JetRangers too, kinda wierd how the rotor speed decayed though :S

[brushfire221]

kinda risky doing a run on landing/auto into grass it seem to me.... Not my first choice of terminating an auto.

[alexvariocam]

Nice! I like bell 206s, especially the sound of them.

[flatspin13]

True but I prefer the UH1 Huey as far as sound

[B206III]

Don't you just love those high inertia blades!! :D

[KommieKillah]

Yeah. Unlike those on the R22. He's to have a flight school with 206s.

[Classic63EType]

The primary purpose of the tail rotor is to counteract the torque being applied to the main rotor mast by the engine and transmission. If you lose control of the tail rotor, the recommended prcedure is to maintain a proper airspeed, lower the collective

and close or reduce the throttle and enter autorotation.

[jayhawk1411]

To land without the rail rotor it is the same as autorotation. (full right pedal, down collective, and throttle off.) It is the same because you disconnect from the engine, and that is the purpose for the tail rotor. Simple isnt it?

[notar1]

but wont in rotate (spin) at flare

[jayhawk1411]

no because you are no longer attached to the engine, so it is not spinning faster than you move, what it is doing is the air is traveling up through the blades, more like a "parachute" per say than rotors. The blades are spinning as fast as you fall because the air is traveling up through them, not air traveling down through them. if that helps at all. Sorry i dont know a better way to explain it. All i know is it works, and im glad it does... it saved my ass.

[whitelilly567]

well haven't experience it yet thank god . I have been working on private for some time already fix-wing but been at helicopters since 98

[HeliRy]

Is that Bob in the left seat? Had many a meal at the Spitfire Grill :)

[worldcrime]

sweet....