@MrGinepig dude tell me about it. I was 13 when I did this. lol, I was inhaling, but the video quality and wall of sound in my garage was so terrible that it sounded like a dying def guy saying his last words into a microphone with the output going to a broken speaker. Trust me, I know this. xD And my cleans sucked too. This video is just an embarrassment for me, but I didn't put it up... But one of these days I will put up a vid of new stuff because this sucks soooo bad!!!! lol
This sucks, listen to the new Dead For The Weekend. This is crap, and isnt even the same. Dont use this to judge these people. This was also 2 years ago, and holy crap it is a lot different.
"we are a christian band".... sorry to bust your balls there is no such thing as christian heavy metal so call it what ever you people call it but its not christian metal and two i would hate to be your neighbors.
@flatheadcats Yeah this sucked, and there is such thing as Christian metal. If you use your talents to glorify God with the genre of metal, then yes it is considered Christian metal. This isn't even metal though in this vid, it is just... Well it sucks, it sucks real bad. I am ashamed to even watch the first 2 seconds after the "music" starts.
*sigh* I love how the whole argument continued after I was clearly done, and it just escalated. I do agree that this video is very old...saw the new DFTW (Dead For The Weekend, for those who don't know) at a summer outdoor concert, and they rocked it up there. They're tight and so much better now, but it's good to know they came from shaky roots like this. Like, no one is born magically talented. This is very encouraging.
these guys have cool spelt on thier forheads!!! miss my garage band days.. been composing for years buy this.... this is exceptional.. a true band, remember these days in your later years and u will smile like you just made me do !!! =]
gee that sounds bitchen. NOT. i bet the cops were there in five minutes with theyre guns drawn out and confinscated all your equipment and took you to jail. anyway keep practicing
@MrSchmuchface dude this was 2 years ago. this band is way different now. haha. this is the crappiest thing i have ever heard tho. like i would shoot myself if i had to go back in time and be here in person. but we got a lot better, and now our name is Dead For The Weekend. A broken record sounds good compaired to this tho. wow this sucked. but yea, i will tell you when the new EP is released, you have to check it out, we are actually going on an EP release tour. haha
@KablamBeats yea this band sucked then. but they are a new band now. they are really freakin good now. like the step up they took is unbelievable. they hav a new drummer and a bassist. and better songs now. but they definitely sucked then.
@mrkuul no sir. you shut up. you are just a douchebag that has no life and likes to make insults towards ppl. apparently they have a fanbase. and they have also advanced from the time that this sucky video was made. plus i bet that the lead singer would whoop your ass on the guitar. ive heard that kid play and i was reading that you think that you know how to play guitar. you probably only know how to play two power chords and the penatonic scale and think that you are the shit.
@mrkuul if you were smart you would keep your business where it belongs, and thats not here. so go off with your little bit of knowledge on the guitar. but know this. the long haired kid and the lead singer would make you dumb founded on the guitar. btw this video was recorded before any of them even had this song down. this was their first try even playing this song.
@mrkuul dude if you are trying to insult me at least say sumthing that isnt so gay. and btw they arent a screamo band you fag. they are a completely original sounding band, and the guitarists would whoop your ass at the guitar. and btw you have never heard their songs. this song dont even sound like this. its a lot better than this now.
@FHSDrummer902 Dude you're fucking retarded i wasnt even the one fighting you dumbass, that was my friend kurt and this fag daniel. i was the one recording you fuckhead. and fuck you that shits funny especially with my dog.
@mrkuul Oh sorry. So your friends fight like a pussy. And oh fuckhead? Aren't we using some big words? And really?! Haha funny? That's news to me. Is that why 1/2 the comments on your profile are calling you a dumbass waste of sperm? Just wondering... And here's a reality check... No one thinks you're funny you punk ass piece of grandma fucking trash. I hope your dog bites off your short dick the next time you decide to throw shit at it.
@FHSDrummer902 Once again you have proven yourself to be a total faggot who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. You just don't get it. cuz you're fucking retarded you spic.
@ShadesofGrace777 And you are fucking retarded saying that they are completely original, are you fucking deaf when you hear other faggy ass screamo bands or are you just getting paid to fuck them or make comments to anyone who hates them? you stupid fucking cunt.
Oh my god you are all such faggots. Your music sucks and your all a bunch of of wierd gay godfreaks cocksuckers your singer is fat your other guitar is a douche and the drummer is a retarded person playing the drums. you suck at life burn in hell im an nihilist. Fuck You!
@mrkuul Okay, first off, it would be wonderful if you picked up a dictionary and learned the meaning of all those nasty words you're carelessly throwing around. Second, spell check is a wonderful invention. Use it. You come off as an uneducated, senseless idiot. Please return to kindergarten where pointless insults are actually acceptable.
Besides, you call them gay and yet you are the one screaming at the end of your comment that you want to bang them.
@JessiPirateLove Why would i need to fear your wrath since you are just some stupid bitch who thinks that they are smart by telling other people that they arent. if you want to have a battle of wits with me i would probably win so fuck off. And second they are not pointless insults they make perfect sense because it describes exactly how they are. Hold on i need to make another comment i am almost out of characters.
@JessiPirateLove And lastly if you would have really read my comment you would have noticed that i spelled nothing wrong the only thing spelled wrong was style and that was a fucking typo. I dont have to use perfect grammar whenever i want to say how i feel. in this case it was that i hated these douchbag, jesusfreak, faggots, and that they dont deserve to play instruments i am better that all of them at drums, and guitar, i can also play piano, bass, and trumpet.
@mrkuul Once again, you seem to be unable to prove your point without using a whole bunch of disgusting words of which you do not know the true meaning. This only adds more evidence to my point.
I would enjoy hearing or seeing in person actual proof that you are more talented than these boys here, because in case you didn't know, they're on their way to a REAL record deal. If you were half as mature or as talented as my boys, you probably wouldn't be making baseless insults.
@JessiPirateLove ok first off you have been unable to prove your point because you keep saying the exact same shit over and over you stupid ass bitch. and how the fuck do i not know the meaning of the words ive been using i know exactly what they mean, and sorry to say "fangirl' but you little bitch ass fuckbuddies, fit the definition.
@mrkuul I'm sorry, I must have read wrong. I thought you just typed that I hadn't proved my point. Let me spell it out slowly for you, just in case you hadn't understood the first three times. You are making baseless, pointless, and unsupported insults to people you do not know, and you seem to be unable to back up your big talk. Either shut your mouth and take your trolling elsewhere, or allow me to stitch it shut for you. Now, do you understand, or shall I type it more slowly?
@mrkuul Yo, I leetspeak on a twenty four hour basis and even I know that is not proper grammar...go back to school and pay attention in class please...Troll's like you are annoying, who can't let something die...or look at a video and say "Hey, I don't like this video. I am not going to watch it anymore." Grow up, let it be, and stop annoying good people.
@Maulinsu133 how the fuck is this not proper grammar the only things spelled wrong are the ones that i didnt put exclamations on. cuz i dont need to spell good ,even though i do, to call you all faggots.
@mrkuul listen you should both drop this argument and i f u wanna see the band now (much better) which only has the singer shown in the video and to new members you should go to fayette city ballfield its gonna be a good one
@mrkuul well im a dude and second im in the band (im one of the new members) and yes i do agree this video is horible she was just stikin up for a friend but i promise if u heard our new stuff you would probably like it
@mrkuul Hey bro, the band did suck pretty hard then... I'm not gonna lie. But we don't anymore. It's pretty much a whole new band. The singer in the video is the only one still here. Plus it's not fair at all that you should say we suck being that this video is kinda old and that it's techniacally not the same band anymore. I would know- I'm the new drummer. I'm gonna be posting a video of us soon so watch it. It's pretty good.
@mrkuul hey faggot if u keep doing this i will track where you live and beat the living shit out of you. you fucking queer. stop causing them problems or i will cause you problems. YOU GET THAT FAGGOT. you small dicked, faggot!
@ShadesofGrace777 wow you're a hypocrite you stupid fucking cunt. fuck you go ahead and track me down, the second i see you i will stab you with a fucking ice pick i swear to god i will, bring it on you stupid little bitch ass dyke. Oh and " why dont you get a dictionary and learn the meaning of all those nasty words you're throwing around" you stupid fucking cum dumpster.
@ShadesofGrace777 you're gonna cause me problems, how? how exactly are you gonna do that you dumbass. you're gonna comment back. whoa im so fucking terrified. im actually enjoying this so go ahead "cause me problems" fucking stupid cunt.
@mrkuul Why must you be so negative. I didn't insult you once during this conversation but you've been nothing but insultive. I agreed the band sucked, wasnt that the original argument. All I'm saying is we've changed alot and you might like the new stuff beter. I'm not trying to impress you. I get it, if you dont like our shit then dont watch. A little corrective critisims is ok but now your just ignorantly insulting me.
@schrocklogan dude shut the fuck up and quit being a bitch you're a faggot by saying that they're new stuff is good i know for a fact that it is anus face, this band is so fucking unoriginal they sound like every other gay metal band but thats not metal at all you want metal listen to the melvins.
@mrkuul alright u anoying backwoods illeterate cousin fuckin gag ball wearing mother fucker i can tell by your absoulute ignorance you have no taste in music and not only do your parents consider you an accident but god himself is regreting making the deal with satan to allow your freaky incest loving ass be come from the mangled whom of your mother / sister / cousin and you wouldn't know good music if i shoved ipod headphones up your ass. You cow fuckin sister raping waste of life
@mrkuul and wow looking at all the old comments, you seriously do enjoy this. lol. kinda funny. but make it interesting. dont jus say the same things over and over. =p
@mrkuul Also, I do believe you are making pointless insults, because you do NOT know these guys. You know what you see on the video, and that shows only a sliver of how they truly are. These guys are awesome people, and while they love Jesus, they're not the type to shove their beliefs down your throat. They are super-cool about it, and that makes them even more mature in my eyes.
Oh, and dear? I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Thanks, and have a nice day!
dude, you guys are complete faggots. You have no sense of what music is because this is a shit cock. Your drums suck ass, and your stlye of music is so fucking gay you godfreak faggots. The singer is some wierd fat guy and the other guitar looks like a gay asian and thhe drummer is just some wierd retarded guy that sucks ass at the fucking drums. Fuck off.
THAT WAS THE CRAPIEST SONG EVER! If you wanted to do some sreamo... actually scream...breathing into the mic whispering words isn't screaming
MrGinepig 3 months ago
@MrGinepig dude tell me about it. I was 13 when I did this. lol, I was inhaling, but the video quality and wall of sound in my garage was so terrible that it sounded like a dying def guy saying his last words into a microphone with the output going to a broken speaker. Trust me, I know this. xD And my cleans sucked too. This video is just an embarrassment for me, but I didn't put it up... But one of these days I will put up a vid of new stuff because this sucks soooo bad!!!! lol
ShadesofGrace777 1 month ago
THAT WAS THE CRAPIEST SONG EVER! I
MrGinepig 3 months ago
WTF?
tannette13 4 months ago
not bad! i enjoyed it very much!! Keep living for Jesus
NatPradoTheory 6 months ago
This sucks, listen to the new Dead For The Weekend. This is crap, and isnt even the same. Dont use this to judge these people. This was also 2 years ago, and holy crap it is a lot different.
ShadesofGrace777 9 months ago
"we are a christian band".... sorry to bust your balls there is no such thing as christian heavy metal so call it what ever you people call it but its not christian metal and two i would hate to be your neighbors.
flatheadcats 9 months ago
@flatheadcats Yeah this sucked, and there is such thing as Christian metal. If you use your talents to glorify God with the genre of metal, then yes it is considered Christian metal. This isn't even metal though in this vid, it is just... Well it sucks, it sucks real bad. I am ashamed to even watch the first 2 seconds after the "music" starts.
ShadesofGrace777 1 month ago
keep rockin out!!
beautyfulgemini 11 months ago
*sigh* I love how the whole argument continued after I was clearly done, and it just escalated. I do agree that this video is very old...saw the new DFTW (Dead For The Weekend, for those who don't know) at a summer outdoor concert, and they rocked it up there. They're tight and so much better now, but it's good to know they came from shaky roots like this. Like, no one is born magically talented. This is very encouraging.
JessiPirateLove 1 year ago
these guys have cool spelt on thier forheads!!! miss my garage band days.. been composing for years buy this.... this is exceptional.. a true band, remember these days in your later years and u will smile like you just made me do !!! =]
Koruptau 1 year ago
gee that sounds bitchen. NOT. i bet the cops were there in five minutes with theyre guns drawn out and confinscated all your equipment and took you to jail. anyway keep practicing
MrSchmuchface 1 year ago
@MrSchmuchface dude this was 2 years ago. this band is way different now. haha. this is the crappiest thing i have ever heard tho. like i would shoot myself if i had to go back in time and be here in person. but we got a lot better, and now our name is Dead For The Weekend. A broken record sounds good compaired to this tho. wow this sucked. but yea, i will tell you when the new EP is released, you have to check it out, we are actually going on an EP release tour. haha
ShadesofGrace777 9 months ago
i dig the mini trampoline but musics not that great
KablamBeats 1 year ago
@KablamBeats yea this band sucked then. but they are a new band now. they are really freakin good now. like the step up they took is unbelievable. they hav a new drummer and a bassist. and better songs now. but they definitely sucked then.
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 oh shut the fuck up your just like every other member in that band.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul no sir. you shut up. you are just a douchebag that has no life and likes to make insults towards ppl. apparently they have a fanbase. and they have also advanced from the time that this sucky video was made. plus i bet that the lead singer would whoop your ass on the guitar. ive heard that kid play and i was reading that you think that you know how to play guitar. you probably only know how to play two power chords and the penatonic scale and think that you are the shit.
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 Dude your fucking retarded and i believe that that guitarisst sucks dick at guitar mmhmm.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul if you were smart you would keep your business where it belongs, and thats not here. so go off with your little bit of knowledge on the guitar. but know this. the long haired kid and the lead singer would make you dumb founded on the guitar. btw this video was recorded before any of them even had this song down. this was their first try even playing this song.
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 I dont care about that they suck because they are so unoriginal their ssongs sound like every other gay screamo band
mrkuul 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 and your are gay and have a tiny dick
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul dude if you are trying to insult me at least say sumthing that isnt so gay. and btw they arent a screamo band you fag. they are a completely original sounding band, and the guitarists would whoop your ass at the guitar. and btw you have never heard their songs. this song dont even sound like this. its a lot better than this now.
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 this song dont sound like this? are you fucking retarded.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Oh and by the way! You fight like a Pussy and no one wants to see you screw with your dog you dumbass
FHSDrummer902 1 year ago
@FHSDrummer902 Dude you're fucking retarded i wasnt even the one fighting you dumbass, that was my friend kurt and this fag daniel. i was the one recording you fuckhead. and fuck you that shits funny especially with my dog.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Oh sorry. So your friends fight like a pussy. And oh fuckhead? Aren't we using some big words? And really?! Haha funny? That's news to me. Is that why 1/2 the comments on your profile are calling you a dumbass waste of sperm? Just wondering... And here's a reality check... No one thinks you're funny you punk ass piece of grandma fucking trash. I hope your dog bites off your short dick the next time you decide to throw shit at it.
FHSDrummer902 1 year ago 2
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@FHSDrummer902 Once again you have proven yourself to be a total faggot who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. You just don't get it. cuz you're fucking retarded you spic.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 And you are fucking retarded saying that they are completely original, are you fucking deaf when you hear other faggy ass screamo bands or are you just getting paid to fuck them or make comments to anyone who hates them? you stupid fucking cunt.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul yep. you have me all figured out.
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
Lol btw, love the music! Aaah I wish I could play like you. I wish I could play in general T.T...
Maulinsu133 1 year ago
0:56 is that fat bastard about to eat the damn mic?!?!
mrkuul 1 year ago
strength to rsist
staroceancomedey 1 year ago
Oh my god you are all such faggots. Your music sucks and your all a bunch of of wierd gay godfreaks cocksuckers your singer is fat your other guitar is a douche and the drummer is a retarded person playing the drums. you suck at life burn in hell im an nihilist. Fuck You!
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Okay, first off, it would be wonderful if you picked up a dictionary and learned the meaning of all those nasty words you're carelessly throwing around. Second, spell check is a wonderful invention. Use it. You come off as an uneducated, senseless idiot. Please return to kindergarten where pointless insults are actually acceptable.
Besides, you call them gay and yet you are the one screaming at the end of your comment that you want to bang them.
Hi, I'm their fangirl. Fear my wrath.
JessiPirateLove 1 year ago
@JessiPirateLove Why would i need to fear your wrath since you are just some stupid bitch who thinks that they are smart by telling other people that they arent. if you want to have a battle of wits with me i would probably win so fuck off. And second they are not pointless insults they make perfect sense because it describes exactly how they are. Hold on i need to make another comment i am almost out of characters.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@JessiPirateLove And lastly if you would have really read my comment you would have noticed that i spelled nothing wrong the only thing spelled wrong was style and that was a fucking typo. I dont have to use perfect grammar whenever i want to say how i feel. in this case it was that i hated these douchbag, jesusfreak, faggots, and that they dont deserve to play instruments i am better that all of them at drums, and guitar, i can also play piano, bass, and trumpet.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@JessiPirateLove Sooooo you bitchy little fangirl i have this last thing to say to you bitch. FUCK OFF.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Once again, you seem to be unable to prove your point without using a whole bunch of disgusting words of which you do not know the true meaning. This only adds more evidence to my point.
I would enjoy hearing or seeing in person actual proof that you are more talented than these boys here, because in case you didn't know, they're on their way to a REAL record deal. If you were half as mature or as talented as my boys, you probably wouldn't be making baseless insults.
JessiPirateLove 1 year ago
@JessiPirateLove ok first off you have been unable to prove your point because you keep saying the exact same shit over and over you stupid ass bitch. and how the fuck do i not know the meaning of the words ive been using i know exactly what they mean, and sorry to say "fangirl' but you little bitch ass fuckbuddies, fit the definition.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul I'm sorry, I must have read wrong. I thought you just typed that I hadn't proved my point. Let me spell it out slowly for you, just in case you hadn't understood the first three times. You are making baseless, pointless, and unsupported insults to people you do not know, and you seem to be unable to back up your big talk. Either shut your mouth and take your trolling elsewhere, or allow me to stitch it shut for you. Now, do you understand, or shall I type it more slowly?
JessiPirateLove 1 year ago
@JessiPirateLove regardless of how slowly you type it im still going to get a the all at the same time.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Yo, I leetspeak on a twenty four hour basis and even I know that is not proper grammar...go back to school and pay attention in class please...Troll's like you are annoying, who can't let something die...or look at a video and say "Hey, I don't like this video. I am not going to watch it anymore." Grow up, let it be, and stop annoying good people.
Maulinsu133 1 year ago
@Maulinsu133 how the fuck is this not proper grammar the only things spelled wrong are the ones that i didnt put exclamations on. cuz i dont need to spell good ,even though i do, to call you all faggots.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul listen you should both drop this argument and i f u wanna see the band now (much better) which only has the singer shown in the video and to new members you should go to fayette city ballfield its gonna be a good one
schrocklogan 1 year ago
@schrocklogan Who asked you skank.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul well im a dude and second im in the band (im one of the new members) and yes i do agree this video is horible she was just stikin up for a friend but i promise if u heard our new stuff you would probably like it
schrocklogan 1 year ago
@schrocklogan Ok show me then upload some if you fag, i bet id fucking hate it.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Hey bro, the band did suck pretty hard then... I'm not gonna lie. But we don't anymore. It's pretty much a whole new band. The singer in the video is the only one still here. Plus it's not fair at all that you should say we suck being that this video is kinda old and that it's techniacally not the same band anymore. I would know- I'm the new drummer. I'm gonna be posting a video of us soon so watch it. It's pretty good.
FHSDrummer902 1 year ago
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@mrkuul hey faggot if u keep doing this i will track where you live and beat the living shit out of you. you fucking queer. stop causing them problems or i will cause you problems. YOU GET THAT FAGGOT. you small dicked, faggot!
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
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@ShadesofGrace777 wow you're a hypocrite you stupid fucking cunt. fuck you go ahead and track me down, the second i see you i will stab you with a fucking ice pick i swear to god i will, bring it on you stupid little bitch ass dyke. Oh and " why dont you get a dictionary and learn the meaning of all those nasty words you're throwing around" you stupid fucking cum dumpster.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 you're gonna cause me problems, how? how exactly are you gonna do that you dumbass. you're gonna comment back. whoa im so fucking terrified. im actually enjoying this so go ahead "cause me problems" fucking stupid cunt.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul Why must you be so negative. I didn't insult you once during this conversation but you've been nothing but insultive. I agreed the band sucked, wasnt that the original argument. All I'm saying is we've changed alot and you might like the new stuff beter. I'm not trying to impress you. I get it, if you dont like our shit then dont watch. A little corrective critisims is ok but now your just ignorantly insulting me.
schrocklogan 1 year ago
@schrocklogan dude shut the fuck up and quit being a bitch you're a faggot by saying that they're new stuff is good i know for a fact that it is anus face, this band is so fucking unoriginal they sound like every other gay metal band but thats not metal at all you want metal listen to the melvins.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul alright u anoying backwoods illeterate cousin fuckin gag ball wearing mother fucker i can tell by your absoulute ignorance you have no taste in music and not only do your parents consider you an accident but god himself is regreting making the deal with satan to allow your freaky incest loving ass be come from the mangled whom of your mother / sister / cousin and you wouldn't know good music if i shoved ipod headphones up your ass. You cow fuckin sister raping waste of life
schrocklogan 1 year ago
@schrocklogan hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i laugh at you, i laugh at you you tiny dicked bitch.
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul and wow looking at all the old comments, you seriously do enjoy this. lol. kinda funny. but make it interesting. dont jus say the same things over and over. =p
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@ShadesofGrace777 yeah, finally you realize that you anus faced dickhead
mrkuul 1 year ago
@mrkuul yep. lol
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@schrocklogan that was hilarious!
ShadesofGrace777 1 year ago
@mrkuul Also, I do believe you are making pointless insults, because you do NOT know these guys. You know what you see on the video, and that shows only a sliver of how they truly are. These guys are awesome people, and while they love Jesus, they're not the type to shove their beliefs down your throat. They are super-cool about it, and that makes them even more mature in my eyes.
Oh, and dear? I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Thanks, and have a nice day!
JessiPirateLove 1 year ago
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@JessiPirateLove jesus why dont you just bend over and take it in the ass from all three of them.
mrkuul 1 year ago
dude, you guys are complete faggots. You have no sense of what music is because this is a shit cock. Your drums suck ass, and your stlye of music is so fucking gay you godfreak faggots. The singer is some wierd fat guy and the other guitar looks like a gay asian and thhe drummer is just some wierd retarded guy that sucks ass at the fucking drums. Fuck off.
mrkuul 1 year ago
I already know a band called A Hope For Tomorrow, and they are Christian too... so I vote for Shades of Grace.
ggiwTJ2991 1 year ago
AWSOME!!! Btw this is Christian... Katic lol =)
FHSDrummer902 2 years ago
this band is freaking awesome!!!!!!!!! i am totally gealous of that devilishly handsome singer!!!
redibanezzz 2 years ago
@redibanezzz You really need to read my comment you faggot.
mrkuul 1 year ago
Awesome!
xxaltair88xx 2 years ago
great man by the way this is jay
Jayrulz101 2 years ago