Bill insulted Parents that care for & raise retarded kids.
He says they are considered heroes… yet in his eyes, setting a bowl of food & water on the floor is the equivalent to raising children with special needs.
i totally agree with bill maher after working with children with down syndrome for a few years i would ratjer work with dogs. those children are pretty dumb my dog is smarter than many of them nd can comprehend more words normal chjildren who are 2 are usually smarter than them i m in favor of what denmark is doing with them
If he was retarded he wouldn't be able to comprehend the concept of what he's saying, Bill Maher was being honest, in many respect alot of retarded people are intelectually similar to dogs, that's not an insult it's a fact, retarded people have mental disabilities that hinder then from thinking as complexly as poeple who aren't retarded.
You're saying old people lose their abilities and thus their humanness. When people die, they completely lose their humanness--but should we still treat dead people as alive people??? Should we clothe dead people, and make sure their rights aren't being infringed upon, etc.?
Also you say that retarded people are born that way. Well dogs are born that way too, why do we discriminate against dogs? Why don't we treat dogs as humans? Just because you are born to a human, we treat you differently?
Scientists say the intelligence of the average dog is equivalent to that of a 2 year old. retarded people never get much more intelligent then a 3 or 4 year old, so it's not the most accurate comparison. But it is close, and it sounds better than saying retards are as smart as a chimp... which actually is true.
@scythe1020 Nice job referencing what scientists say without any reference/without even being accurate as to what they say.
A dog can find a way to survive on its own, outside of civilization. A 2 year old couldn't. A 10 year old couldn't. Most adults couldn't. It can sense danger when no one else can. It can be the most valuable member of a Navy SEALs team.
Bill Maher should be fired because is an insensitive prick because he has no compassion for others or for people who are mentally and phyically disabled.
Where do you draw the line from being retarded and not being retarded? Based on IQ? What number? If you think a lower IQ qualifies as being retarded, there is always a person out there with a higher IQ then you. So, does that mean we are all retarded to one another?
hey, dude, you know what. Your final point actually makes Bill's point. If he was retarded, he wouldnt have the mental faculty to realize that he's retarted. In his comparison, he compares them to dogs, in the way that only progress mentally up to a certain point. Its not in a bad way, hes not saying they're less human or anything.
Bill Maher is just being so called "Pollitically Incorrect" and what would would describe as "Blunt." Are "retarded" children "normal", NO, that's why there retarded. Do they have the exact IQ as a dog? Probably not, I don't know if there are any studies. IT's a negative comment and obviously is going to offend anyone with a retarded acquatance or family member.
wow, you came up with the most overused canadian stereotype in history, eh? ha, like i would care about someone making fun of a supposed overused mannerism when they can't even type in their own language. your wittiness would put winston churchill to shame . . . . that's sarcasm since you probably won't be able to tell.
hes canadian....... not retarded and him and goebbles think retarded people and dogs have the same intelect... eh..he aint even ashamed to be called a cocksucking skank..ehhh... so you think dogs and retarded people have the same intelect just like hitler, said right? no dont say that youll be pollitically in correct ehhh- your a dumb cannuk who dosent get out much because you live in the middle of nowhere ehh? so you think retarded people are just like animals mentally like hitler stated? ehh?
you probably don't even know where canada is . . . so here's a couple questions for you, are you around 15 years old or just completely ignorant of your own accord? are you actually going to read what i write and respond to that, or attempt to put words in my mouth to try to make me look bad because you can't think of anything smart to say? you know, like your past 4 posts or so. idiot.
i have to go to work now, because i contribute something to society rather than what you do, which apparently is sit on youtube ALL the time. so have fun bashing me while i'm not here, i'm sure it'll make you "feel like yer smart!" derffff.
i just got back from work and you were here waiting for me lol-- still cant answer the simple question...ehhhhh? go harvest your maple syrup, pearson who belives in hitlers statements
i didn't say that i "belives" (correct spelling is believes) in anything hitler said. and if that was when you just got back from work then from the time line i see here, you worked like a 5 hour graveyard shift, thus making you a loser without a real job. speaking of people with the intelligence of animals, do you actually comprehend the language you're constantly raping on here, or just repeating learned phrases like a parrot? can't think of anything new, eh?
I in a quality control deparment fr Penn Dye- i was at work talking to you last night. Ehhhhh thus making you a loser not sleeping and commenting all night long to me while i kill time... yes here in america we use computers at work...ehhhh---you see what im talking aboot you belive retarded are similar to dogs like hitler did ehhhhhh...canuk kid will always be a dork here in america
anyway since you belive retardeds are simmilar to dogs and hitler sais they are and bill mahere does, i would have to say you belive the same thing....ehhhhhhh. ok im done with you retarded canadian, im not waisting time getting simple answers from a dumb canadian who cant understand what anyones talkinabooooooooooot eh....now go pump your pancake syrup out of a tree..ehhhh this conversation has ended, and you belive in statements by hitler
ignorance is bliss . . . if there are lots of people like you in the u.s., then i'm very, very glad to be canadian. the most clever thing you can think of is jokes about syrup (very, very lame btw) you still can't figure out that it's spelled believe, with 2 e's, and when i'm at work and using a computer, i use it for work, not youtubing . . . this is partly why your recession is way worse than other countries, 'cuz you're all lazy and fuckin' dumb. thanks for not talking anymore. good bye :)
when im at work i use the computer to talk to kanukers abooot why they like hitlers oppinions-and youtubin, ehhh. so ya like what hitler thinks abooot retarded people ehhh just glad he didint get to canada ehhhhh no more maple syrup all abooot the pancake for you ehhhh. maple syrup leaf on your proud flag ehhh. so ya like hitlers truthful oppinions ehh?-talking in your dumb canadian snowman accent makes most canadians sound retarded ehhh course if your retarded ya dont know what im talkin abooot
dance puppet dance! that was easy enough to get you to reply again. keep the posts coming, just shows how completely ignorant and unimaginative you. on my profile you posted that i "belive" in hitler, which i assume means believe, but in some sort of primitive cave speak. well the man did exist, "belive" it or not. actually, the last time i went to the u.s. no one noticed an accent, you know, since we have the same descendants as you do. you know we're right above you? mexico has the brown ones
Canadian cant understand a simple question ehhhhh? cant understand what im talking abooot ehhhhh? he wont admit he belives the same thuing hitler does ehhhhh? now hes been on all night lol, and hes talking aboot work ehhh? jerkin off aboot man porn being mad all night long ehhhhhhh? oh my im aboot to laugh. Answer the question cannuk
so anyway, i think that was a bad thing for bill to say. Its something Goebbles, Nazi minister of information, said in his movies. Comparing the retarded with animals, intellectually, throughout the 30's , allowed the german people to look upon them as not human and prepared them to be capable of commiting the crimes that are unthinkable against the mentally handicapped. Joe Goebbels, was a funny guy too and if he made the exact same point as bill that would mean they both have the same view.
what the hell does any of this have to do with the video or bill maher? you're talking about nazi propaganda films for some reason . . . the reason you lost me is because YOU'RE NOT MAKING A POINT OR ANY FUCKIN' SENSE! perhaps you should go back to english class so that you can communicate coherently instead of making a cluster-fuck paragraph with points that have nothing to do with the conversation. bill said they were like dogs intellectually, not that they are animals . . . re-watch the video
so you cant say yes, hitler was truthfull and goebbles was truthfull for saying the same thing, i suppose you are a fuking retard and everyone knows your avoiding a simple question
i'm not answering the question, because there is no point to it, you brought this whole nazi thing up out of nowhere, and it has NOTHING to do with this. you just want me to say yes so you can call bill a nazi and say that i support nazis or something dumb like that. watch the original video, use your brain for once and really try to comprehend what he actually said, and take an aspirin for the pain you get from thinking.
no you are avoiding being pollitically incorrect-- you wont say that hitler saying that intellectually they are more on a par with animals and bill maher saying they are intellectually on a par with dogs, in your oppinion they are both truthfull, because they said the exact same thing at one time. your a fuking retard and you cant use your own logic trying to be pollitically corect you stupid bitch of a low life
um . . . what? could you use some correct spelling and grammar so i don't have to try to decode that b.s.? so your big point was trying to prove that i was trying to be politically correct, where as i was supporting bill who was being politically incorrect? what a complete fucking waste of time. you shouldn't call people retarded when you can't even use this language correctly. people like you should be neutered, seriously, it's pathetic.
so your a nazi? because your the only one thats avoiding the question ya dumb cunt-- you, bill, and, Hitler all agree retarded people are like animals--id get neutured before i touched some dumb skank like you, you are being pollitically correct for saying you dont agree with hitler since he said the same things you have.. soo fucking simple a dumb cunt like you should be thrown in an oven hows that
being a skanky cocksucker is a compliment for a guy in your mind?, i suppose if you take it as one it is--but one you cant back yourself up check internet spelling--ok done with you, The Canadian bill mahere fan trying to be a rebel what a dork
internet spelling? you're not talking about "lol" here . . . and how am i being a rebel? this is what i'm talking about, your brain must be a giant circle-jerk of sporadic, half thought ideas. you are a prime example of how shitty the american education system is, you're probably also a creationist. BTW, adding cocksucker later when you wrote just skank before, isn't clever. for someone like you though, calling someone gay is still the most impressive, witty, and insulting thing you could say.
and hitler was saying they were intellectually like animas as well so answer the question retarded dickweed--god what the fuck what a dumb bitch--are they both truthfull for saying intellectually retards are like animals?
what the hell are you talking about? bill is "politically incorrect" towards anything he thinks should be said, whether or not people like to hear it. he never said he didn't like retarded people, or that they should be put to sleep to "save money," if you aren't going to listen to what people say, and take it in context, don't open your grammatical shit-storm of a mouth and make an ass out of yourself . . . you know, if you actually want to be taken seriously :S
cant answer the question retard? Was hitler wrong for saying that retarded people were animals, before he was killing them or was he being truthfull? he was politically incorect aswell..wtf answer the fukin question was Goebbles bad for making movies comparing them to animals? he never killed them
like i say retard... nazi films never said they didint like them they just stated simple facts, they were animals, in fact it said they liked them , hence mercy death
one more time , a question a retard could understand, IF BILL MAHER SAID RETARDED PEOPLE ARE SIMMILAR TO DOGS AND JOSEPH GOEBBLES, AND HITLER SAID THAT RETARDED PEOPLE ARE SIMMILAR TO DOGS ARE THEY BOTH BEING TRUTHFULL? AND IF SO IS THIS BAD, all goebbles did was inform the public about this mind you, never killed them, should i post the 1930's newsreels for you? so your mind can comprehend the simple question?
good job guy i like your oppinion considering bill 'Squashface' maher can only be polliticaly incorrect towards the deffensless--lol but when hes gonna get his ass fired hell even say he agrees with bush
Maher only points out that retarded children have similar mental capacity as a dog. Upon being called a cold person, Maher replied; "I'm a truthful person". He is right.
as amusing as your grandfathers anecdote was, you totally missed the point of what he said, and the sad part is, i actually clicked on your response and listened to it, even tho i knew it was going to be a vector-less, politically correct, witch hunt, circle jerk.
Wait wait wait i just have to state hitler put thousands of these 'retards' or 'dogs' as bill calls them to sleep. on that basis, and on the basis that they were too expensive to care for--even called it mercy killing life without life. So i have to say than as a truthful pearson you must say hitler is correct, right. and if no why do we allow dogs to be put to sleep? SO whos correct Hitler for calling retarded kids animals or Bill? they said the same thing.
You ask "if Bill was retarded, would he say the same thing about himself?"
You mean would he call himself "loving, kind, loyal, but with a limit on his ability to mentally progress" (something close to his exact words)? Yeah, if he thought it was true.
As another person posted, you would only take it as an insult if you don't respect dogs - if someone calls a woman a cow in india it's probably a compliment since cows are sacred there...
Would you have complained if he said lion or something?
@sexzombie Where do you draw the line from being retarded and not being retarded? Based on IQ? What number? If you think a lower IQ qualifies as being retarded, there is always a person out there with a higher IQ then you. So, does that mean we are all retarded to one another?
You are taking his comment emotionally. Bill never said anything other than that they lack higher brain functions like dogs do but both are loveable and so on. You could argue that it was not a good comparison but you start to sidetrack and waffle about "who is he to say that" or "it's not their fault they were born that way".
thats the point on another post i was trying to make. BILL LOVES ANIMALS ,he 's a member of PETA. If he abused dogs or made fun of them that would be one thing. He thinks dogs are innocent, trustworthy, and loving. This is only insulting if you don't have respect for dogs.
@Clemburke1111 Where do you draw the line from being retarded and not being retarded? Based on IQ? What number? If you think a lower IQ qualifies as being retarded, there is always a person out there with a higher IQ then you. So, does that mean we are all retarded to one another?
@kennegun Ken where do you draw the line with many things? You can ask that question about sex, age ,alcoholsim ,crime . We can dance around things all day but sometimes catagories are healthier, If My IQ Disqualifies me to get care in a group home or other finacial and legal advantages then I guess we can call it. If every thing remains blurred lines to you then we need to make every one go to work and no one to receive compensations etc.
@kennegun Ken where do you draw the line with many things? You can ask that question about sex, age ,alcoholsim ,crime . We can dance around things all day but sometimes catagories are healthier, If My IQ Disqualifies me to get care in a group home or other finacial and legal advantages then I guess we can call it. If every thing remains blurred lines to you then we need to make every one go to work and no one to receive compensations etc.
retared as in not rain man retarded not as in down syndrom retarded not as being old retarded as vegetable retarded as not grasping anything not contributiong or incapable of contributing to it's existence as a human being of human intelligence like what we think when we mention "dog" it's connotative meaning Care and love are not just human qualities. I'm not saying retards are not human... duh so dont insinuate their i know a human is
No he's not... retards of what we no of not handicaps in general are like dogs Men are like Apes You are not moxie im sorry this hurts you. I love my cat over most ppl and would rather "it" live than certain ppl because they are mediocre kool aide drinking Special Olympics well u know the hander downers ironically. As a artist did you know elephants and 5 year olds can paint better than some full grown fully capable kool aide drinkers
Why is everyone standing up for a shitting dick nipple like Bill Maher. Anyone who says he wasn't trying to offend people is fucking stupid. Bill Maher also supports gay rights, so I guess that makes all you supports a bunch of DICK SUCKERS, literally and metaphorically.
Im with bill, hedidn't say they couldn't think. dogs do think, there are plenty of smart dogs
there a smart retards and dumb retards, i know it sounds mean but its true, but they all dont have the average or what we consider normal social and communicative abilities, etc. it sounds bad what he said but it is not far from the truth.
He simply said they were similar, the way they were. Both dogs and retarded children are very loving and affection, but they're not mentally capable of doing things. He didn't mean anything offensive about it, and if anyone took offense, it means they are too uptight about thing, and that they're prejudiced against dogs.
Jesus said : Children are the keys to the kingdom of heaven. If you are an athiest what can we expect from you ? Expect for Bill maher , physically challenge kids are dogs and chimps
Bill wasn't trying to offed anybody it, I also think that retarted people are like dogs before I actually watched him say that. Bill and I have something in common, we're both animal lovers so maybe for other people comparing a human being to a dog might be offensive but for me it's not at all. He even said why, "sweet, loving, kind but not mentally advanced". I guess most people think of dogs as worthless beings but we don't.
He never made fun of retarded people, he was simply making a comparison to their mental abilities. He also called them both "sweet", "loving" and "kind".
berkaclit hangings too good for you boy...go rape and sodomize your dog you fucking hippy scum!!!! aint nothing wrong being from the south..fucking hippy scum..nigger loving jew!!!!
nothing wrong from being from the south. many decent and great ppl from the south. even geniuses. you on the other hand, i would never insult a dog by comparing it to you.
no, he was referring to DOGS as being like retarded kids, that means nothing...had he said "retarded kids are like dogs" THEN ide see where your coming from...
and stop with the racist shit people... fucking southerners
Maher is one who sees the dog as just another person, he doesn't have that prejudice toward animals that says they are inferior to us. It is in no way an insult for him to compare them this way.
Although mentally I'm sure they are nothing alike, their personal rights to responsibility ratio should be, on average, at about the same level.. instead, we have an amazing double standard with animals that aren't our species.
And what if he does have such a relative? Does that suddenly not entitle him to his opinion? What is wrong with loving your relatives and wanting what is best for them?
Mr. Webcam guy sir, Bill in that 6 year old video, did NOT say they are valued the same as dogs.
He ONLY said they are equal in terms of their respective ability to ADVANCE in degree of intelligence, esp. compared to the average adult human being.
Both dogs and retarded people (not just children) will not "advance", this is measurably true. It's due to physical limitations, so blame god not Bill.
If Bill Maher had a child who was mentally handicapped, would he make that same comment? Bill Maher, that was a retarded comment, I thought you were smarter than that!
Whether Bill Maher intended to degrade retarded children or not, the fact is HE DID. No one wants to be called a dog. And its quite easy to degrade those who can't defend themselves. He might as well include all physically disabled children, and children with illnesses. What a douche.
I think it is insane for anyone to misunderstand what Bill was driving at. He obviously didnt make that statement to degrade retarded children. For you to make a video proclaiming your outrage of his rhetorical comparison of dogs and retarded children proves you to be an irrational pedant.
Bill definately made an ignorant comment whether it was for ratings, shock value whatever I think that it wasn't necessary. if you were retarded and being compared that would not be a compliment because there are degrees of retardation and you should know that... You must be like a great deal of the animal lovers, who take baths with thier dogs, share food with thier dogs and do all kinds of things with thier dogs!Some people treat dogs better than they treat humans.
You said it wasn't their fault they were born that way, and it isn't...but Bill NEVER said that, so that just proves your ignorance and your futile attempt to make an intelligent sounding argument and an attempt to make this video longer.
What's funny is that you compare an older individual to a mentally handicapped person which is like comparing an apple to turd.
Pigs have the mental capacity of a 3-year-old human. Dogs have more mental capacity than small children, or retarded adults. Yet we claim out superiority over all animals. It's a philosophical issue and you obviously made the mistake of taking it literally.
I agree with the video maker. I used to live in America and Bill Maher is a sad excuse for a man. He should definately not be representing liberal politics either, in any way shape or form.
o.o I don't think it would make sense in any case to try to attach an ideology label to Bill Maher. Look up his "new rules" segment from September 28 2007, he ridicules George W. Bush just a few minutes before ridiculing Arabs.
i guess my point is, comparing dogs to retarded ppl is being nice to dogs, a retarded human is more capable than a retarded dog. so if u want to say something good about dogs, go ahead and compare them to retarded kids
Whether you are perceived as a hero does not depend on how "mentally deficient" the person/animal one takes care of is, but how much (thankless) work it takes and how difficult it is to give them a good life. One would not be a hero if they treated retarded children like dogs. Also people buy dogs for their own enjoyment, no one prefers to have a retarded child.
You're right, but it goes back to this: he is fundamentally a comedian that does politics, not a political commentator who does comedy. He's going to be better at making people laugh than provoking really deep thought on these issues. And on this he's just flat out wrong.
I agree, I generally think he does his job well, as a comedian he is one of the better ones. And I'm sure he would concede the point if anyone had made the argument above.
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Bill insulted Parents that care for & raise retarded kids.
He says they are considered heroes… yet in his eyes, setting a bowl of food & water on the floor is the equivalent to raising children with special needs.
spybug51 3 months ago
Don't let your feelings cloud facts because emotions doesn't help you prove something.
MrSuperionMaximus 4 months ago
Bill Maher is a steaming pile of dog squeezings, and I claims me a full keg of Samuel Adams Boston Lager.
PinkOld 5 months ago
Stop being an oversensitive BITCH.
bbcasting 6 months ago
he wouldnt say the same thing about himself, because hed be too retarded to do so.
yumeybaconcutout 7 months ago
i totally agree with bill maher after working with children with down syndrome for a few years i would ratjer work with dogs. those children are pretty dumb my dog is smarter than many of them nd can comprehend more words normal chjildren who are 2 are usually smarter than them i m in favor of what denmark is doing with them
torhu3287 7 months ago
If he was retarded he wouldn't be able to comprehend the concept of what he's saying, Bill Maher was being honest, in many respect alot of retarded people are intelectually similar to dogs, that's not an insult it's a fact, retarded people have mental disabilities that hinder then from thinking as complexly as poeple who aren't retarded.
KingAdonisDNA 8 months ago
You're saying old people lose their abilities and thus their humanness. When people die, they completely lose their humanness--but should we still treat dead people as alive people??? Should we clothe dead people, and make sure their rights aren't being infringed upon, etc.?
Also you say that retarded people are born that way. Well dogs are born that way too, why do we discriminate against dogs? Why don't we treat dogs as humans? Just because you are born to a human, we treat you differently?
rockhardxrocker 10 months ago
You are correct. Bill maher has a high opinion of himself and his intelligencia. His followers are as bad as he is.
Bill Maher is not better than anyone. He is most likely less than what comes out of the back end of a dog when it squats.
dwschultzfla 11 months ago 2
let the retard people speak for themselves... if they do i'll back them... if not bill maher is right
tunkuhoy 11 months ago
this video is anti-dog.... why is dog insulting?.. down with these anti dog idiots
tunkuhoy 11 months ago
Scientists say the intelligence of the average dog is equivalent to that of a 2 year old. retarded people never get much more intelligent then a 3 or 4 year old, so it's not the most accurate comparison. But it is close, and it sounds better than saying retards are as smart as a chimp... which actually is true.
scythe1020 11 months ago
@scythe1020 Nice job referencing what scientists say without any reference/without even being accurate as to what they say.
A dog can find a way to survive on its own, outside of civilization. A 2 year old couldn't. A 10 year old couldn't. Most adults couldn't. It can sense danger when no one else can. It can be the most valuable member of a Navy SEALs team.
I've never met a man wiser or kinder than a dog.
superman11978 9 months ago
@superman11978 Don't confuse intelligence with instinct.
scythe1020 9 months ago
@scythe1020 chimps are smarter.
yumeybaconcutout 7 months ago
What I say, what You say and what Bill said, doesn'e affect how I treat AnyOne.
I interact with people of various challenges all the time... and I love the work I do.
I also understand Bill's jokes have nothing to do with insensitivity.
I think He's very funny.
By the way, howzabout aknowledging rape in America as a national pass-time as well as a National disgrace.
myklmusic 1 year ago
Bill Maher should be fired because is an insensitive prick because he has no compassion for others or for people who are mentally and phyically disabled.
narukofan2 1 year ago
i think you and your grandfather are retarded
Bers8894 1 year ago
Bill Maher has a limited understanding of mentally challanged people. In fact. he has a limited understanding on just about anything.
These people might not be much in Maher's eyes but thier capacity to love others unconditionally is beyond "normal". people.
oldgordo61 1 year ago
it might be true but that doesnt mean its a good thing to joke about it.
Tyranan2 1 year ago
Where do you draw the line from being retarded and not being retarded? Based on IQ? What number? If you think a lower IQ qualifies as being retarded, there is always a person out there with a higher IQ then you. So, does that mean we are all retarded to one another?
kennegun 1 year ago
hey, dude, you know what. Your final point actually makes Bill's point. If he was retarded, he wouldnt have the mental faculty to realize that he's retarted. In his comparison, he compares them to dogs, in the way that only progress mentally up to a certain point. Its not in a bad way, hes not saying they're less human or anything.
travisjt11 1 year ago
A true G wears his headphones on his neck.
PlacentaPudding 1 year ago
@huslia bill maher is one of the funniest and smartest people ive seen on television. He owns everyone
lax2711 1 year ago
@lax2711 With comments he makes about "retarded" people makes Maher about the dumbest person out there.
I used to think he was funny but now...well he's just retarded.
oldgordo61 1 year ago
Bill Maher is just being so called "Pollitically Incorrect" and what would would describe as "Blunt." Are "retarded" children "normal", NO, that's why there retarded. Do they have the exact IQ as a dog? Probably not, I don't know if there are any studies. IT's a negative comment and obviously is going to offend anyone with a retarded acquatance or family member.
Xxd3cayxX 2 years ago
hes not retarded hes canadian.. eh
erich10001 2 years ago
wow, you came up with the most overused canadian stereotype in history, eh? ha, like i would care about someone making fun of a supposed overused mannerism when they can't even type in their own language. your wittiness would put winston churchill to shame . . . . that's sarcasm since you probably won't be able to tell.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
hes canadian....... not retarded and him and goebbles think retarded people and dogs have the same intelect... eh..he aint even ashamed to be called a cocksucking skank..ehhh... so you think dogs and retarded people have the same intelect just like hitler, said right? no dont say that youll be pollitically in correct ehhh- your a dumb cannuk who dosent get out much because you live in the middle of nowhere ehh? so you think retarded people are just like animals mentally like hitler stated? ehh?
erich10001 2 years ago
you probably don't even know where canada is . . . so here's a couple questions for you, are you around 15 years old or just completely ignorant of your own accord? are you actually going to read what i write and respond to that, or attempt to put words in my mouth to try to make me look bad because you can't think of anything smart to say? you know, like your past 4 posts or so. idiot.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
still avoiding the qustion ehhhhh. must have a rock for a head.
erich10001 2 years ago
says the guy who just avoided several easy questions. here's another one for you . . .are you sarah palin?
mustangrule2 2 years ago
i have to go to work now, because i contribute something to society rather than what you do, which apparently is sit on youtube ALL the time. so have fun bashing me while i'm not here, i'm sure it'll make you "feel like yer smart!" derffff.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
i just got back from work and you were here waiting for me lol-- still cant answer the simple question...ehhhhh? go harvest your maple syrup, pearson who belives in hitlers statements
erich10001 2 years ago
i didn't say that i "belives" (correct spelling is believes) in anything hitler said. and if that was when you just got back from work then from the time line i see here, you worked like a 5 hour graveyard shift, thus making you a loser without a real job. speaking of people with the intelligence of animals, do you actually comprehend the language you're constantly raping on here, or just repeating learned phrases like a parrot? can't think of anything new, eh?
mustangrule2 2 years ago
I in a quality control deparment fr Penn Dye- i was at work talking to you last night. Ehhhhh thus making you a loser not sleeping and commenting all night long to me while i kill time... yes here in america we use computers at work...ehhhh---you see what im talking aboot you belive retarded are similar to dogs like hitler did ehhhhhh...canuk kid will always be a dork here in america
erich10001 2 years ago
ehhh so you disagree with mahere now than? he said what hitler said about the tard.. Canukkker
erich10001 2 years ago
anyway since you belive retardeds are simmilar to dogs and hitler sais they are and bill mahere does, i would have to say you belive the same thing....ehhhhhhh. ok im done with you retarded canadian, im not waisting time getting simple answers from a dumb canadian who cant understand what anyones talkinabooooooooooot eh....now go pump your pancake syrup out of a tree..ehhhh this conversation has ended, and you belive in statements by hitler
erich10001 2 years ago
ignorance is bliss . . . if there are lots of people like you in the u.s., then i'm very, very glad to be canadian. the most clever thing you can think of is jokes about syrup (very, very lame btw) you still can't figure out that it's spelled believe, with 2 e's, and when i'm at work and using a computer, i use it for work, not youtubing . . . this is partly why your recession is way worse than other countries, 'cuz you're all lazy and fuckin' dumb. thanks for not talking anymore. good bye :)
mustangrule2 2 years ago
ehhhhh? what you talkin aboot still avoiding the question and fact ehhhhhhhhhhhhh? youd get your arse kicked in the us ehhhhh?
erich10001 2 years ago
when im at work i use the computer to talk to kanukers abooot why they like hitlers oppinions-and youtubin, ehhh. so ya like what hitler thinks abooot retarded people ehhh just glad he didint get to canada ehhhhh no more maple syrup all abooot the pancake for you ehhhh. maple syrup leaf on your proud flag ehhh. so ya like hitlers truthful oppinions ehh?-talking in your dumb canadian snowman accent makes most canadians sound retarded ehhh course if your retarded ya dont know what im talkin abooot
erich10001 2 years ago
dance puppet dance! that was easy enough to get you to reply again. keep the posts coming, just shows how completely ignorant and unimaginative you. on my profile you posted that i "belive" in hitler, which i assume means believe, but in some sort of primitive cave speak. well the man did exist, "belive" it or not. actually, the last time i went to the u.s. no one noticed an accent, you know, since we have the same descendants as you do. you know we're right above you? mexico has the brown ones
mustangrule2 2 years ago
ok uploaded a documentry from 1937 with your point of view
erich10001 2 years ago
ehhhhhhh is a dog a beast ehhhhh?
erich10001 2 years ago
just uploded an old nazi film with your point of veiw think youll like it its called evolution---and it proves you belive in hitlers veiw on retarded
erich10001 2 years ago
you dont like mexicans either??
erich10001 2 years ago
@mustangrule2 your spelling is good but your grammar is shit.
madnesscombat5 1 year ago
Canadian cant understand a simple question ehhhhh? cant understand what im talking abooot ehhhhh? he wont admit he belives the same thuing hitler does ehhhhh? now hes been on all night lol, and hes talking aboot work ehhh? jerkin off aboot man porn being mad all night long ehhhhhhh? oh my im aboot to laugh. Answer the question cannuk
erich10001 2 years ago
so anyway, i think that was a bad thing for bill to say. Its something Goebbles, Nazi minister of information, said in his movies. Comparing the retarded with animals, intellectually, throughout the 30's , allowed the german people to look upon them as not human and prepared them to be capable of commiting the crimes that are unthinkable against the mentally handicapped. Joe Goebbels, was a funny guy too and if he made the exact same point as bill that would mean they both have the same view.
erich10001 2 years ago
so was Joseph goebbels , nazi propoganda minister truthfull stateing the mentally handicapped were animals? last i checked dogs were animals
erich10001 2 years ago
what the hell does any of this have to do with the video or bill maher? you're talking about nazi propaganda films for some reason . . . the reason you lost me is because YOU'RE NOT MAKING A POINT OR ANY FUCKIN' SENSE! perhaps you should go back to english class so that you can communicate coherently instead of making a cluster-fuck paragraph with points that have nothing to do with the conversation. bill said they were like dogs intellectually, not that they are animals . . . re-watch the video
mustangrule2 2 years ago
so you cant say yes, hitler was truthfull and goebbles was truthfull for saying the same thing, i suppose you are a fuking retard and everyone knows your avoiding a simple question
erich10001 2 years ago
i'm not answering the question, because there is no point to it, you brought this whole nazi thing up out of nowhere, and it has NOTHING to do with this. you just want me to say yes so you can call bill a nazi and say that i support nazis or something dumb like that. watch the original video, use your brain for once and really try to comprehend what he actually said, and take an aspirin for the pain you get from thinking.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
no you are avoiding being pollitically incorrect-- you wont say that hitler saying that intellectually they are more on a par with animals and bill maher saying they are intellectually on a par with dogs, in your oppinion they are both truthfull, because they said the exact same thing at one time. your a fuking retard and you cant use your own logic trying to be pollitically corect you stupid bitch of a low life
erich10001 2 years ago
um . . . what? could you use some correct spelling and grammar so i don't have to try to decode that b.s.? so your big point was trying to prove that i was trying to be politically correct, where as i was supporting bill who was being politically incorrect? what a complete fucking waste of time. you shouldn't call people retarded when you can't even use this language correctly. people like you should be neutered, seriously, it's pathetic.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
so your a nazi? because your the only one thats avoiding the question ya dumb cunt-- you, bill, and, Hitler all agree retarded people are like animals--id get neutured before i touched some dumb skank like you, you are being pollitically correct for saying you dont agree with hitler since he said the same things you have.. soo fucking simple a dumb cunt like you should be thrown in an oven hows that
erich10001 2 years ago
1. YOU'RE - the combination of you and are, use it, "your" is wrong.
2. I was the only one asked the question, so saying i'm the only one avoiding it doesn't make sense.
3. I'm a dude, i take skank as a compliment.
4. saying "so your a nazi?" proved my point from 2 posts ago or so.
5. not agreeing with hitler isn't necessarily politically correct, and i haven't said anything similar to him.
6. disagreeing with hitler then saying i should be in an oven is incredibly hypocritical.
7. kill youself
mustangrule2 2 years ago
being a skanky cocksucker is a compliment for a guy in your mind?, i suppose if you take it as one it is--but one you cant back yourself up check internet spelling--ok done with you, The Canadian bill mahere fan trying to be a rebel what a dork
erich10001 2 years ago
internet spelling? you're not talking about "lol" here . . . and how am i being a rebel? this is what i'm talking about, your brain must be a giant circle-jerk of sporadic, half thought ideas. you are a prime example of how shitty the american education system is, you're probably also a creationist. BTW, adding cocksucker later when you wrote just skank before, isn't clever. for someone like you though, calling someone gay is still the most impressive, witty, and insulting thing you could say.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
whooooooooo eh?
erich10001 2 years ago
so your veiw is intellectually retarded people are on a par with dogs?
erich10001 2 years ago
if thats the case you hold the same veiw as the nazi party in the 30s--just a fact--simple fact a retard could figure out, but you cant
erich10001 2 years ago
and hitler was saying they were intellectually like animas as well so answer the question retarded dickweed--god what the fuck what a dumb bitch--are they both truthfull for saying intellectually retards are like animals?
erich10001 2 years ago
still waiting whos truthfull, hitler, or bill maher for stating the retarded are animals, they said the same thing...are they both truthfull?
erich10001 2 years ago
what the hell are you talking about? bill is "politically incorrect" towards anything he thinks should be said, whether or not people like to hear it. he never said he didn't like retarded people, or that they should be put to sleep to "save money," if you aren't going to listen to what people say, and take it in context, don't open your grammatical shit-storm of a mouth and make an ass out of yourself . . . you know, if you actually want to be taken seriously :S
mustangrule2 2 years ago
cant answer the question retard? Was hitler wrong for saying that retarded people were animals, before he was killing them or was he being truthfull? he was politically incorect aswell..wtf answer the fukin question was Goebbles bad for making movies comparing them to animals? he never killed them
erich10001 2 years ago
can you answer that question retard or did i lose you?
erich10001 2 years ago
like i say retard... nazi films never said they didint like them they just stated simple facts, they were animals, in fact it said they liked them , hence mercy death
erich10001 2 years ago
one more time , a question a retard could understand, IF BILL MAHER SAID RETARDED PEOPLE ARE SIMMILAR TO DOGS AND JOSEPH GOEBBLES, AND HITLER SAID THAT RETARDED PEOPLE ARE SIMMILAR TO DOGS ARE THEY BOTH BEING TRUTHFULL? AND IF SO IS THIS BAD, all goebbles did was inform the public about this mind you, never killed them, should i post the 1930's newsreels for you? so your mind can comprehend the simple question?
erich10001 2 years ago
good job guy i like your oppinion considering bill 'Squashface' maher can only be polliticaly incorrect towards the deffensless--lol but when hes gonna get his ass fired hell even say he agrees with bush
erich10001 2 years ago
Maher only points out that retarded children have similar mental capacity as a dog. Upon being called a cold person, Maher replied; "I'm a truthful person". He is right.
gaustadgutt1 2 years ago
as amusing as your grandfathers anecdote was, you totally missed the point of what he said, and the sad part is, i actually clicked on your response and listened to it, even tho i knew it was going to be a vector-less, politically correct, witch hunt, circle jerk.
mustangrule2 2 years ago
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erich10001 2 years ago
Wait wait wait i just have to state hitler put thousands of these 'retards' or 'dogs' as bill calls them to sleep. on that basis, and on the basis that they were too expensive to care for--even called it mercy killing life without life. So i have to say than as a truthful pearson you must say hitler is correct, right. and if no why do we allow dogs to be put to sleep? SO whos correct Hitler for calling retarded kids animals or Bill? they said the same thing.
erich10001 2 years ago
i like aik...
dove997 2 years ago
bro, what do you expect? bill maher is nothing more than a cfr controlled puppet that will say anything for a buck.
AvEryBadApPLe 2 years ago
You ask "if Bill was retarded, would he say the same thing about himself?"
You mean would he call himself "loving, kind, loyal, but with a limit on his ability to mentally progress" (something close to his exact words)? Yeah, if he thought it was true.
As another person posted, you would only take it as an insult if you don't respect dogs - if someone calls a woman a cow in india it's probably a compliment since cows are sacred there...
Would you have complained if he said lion or something?
Gliktch 2 years ago
you're right, bill was way out of line, my dog is way smarter than a retarded kid
T0NGPOW 2 years ago
Bill Maher is a retard. Thanks for making this video 5 Stars!!!!!!!
goppatriots 2 years ago
He's a comedian dude
chucknchar 2 years ago
but he wasn't joking
Mrgibson234 2 years ago
I know for a fact that my dog frank is smarter than any retard....
pregoragoo 2 years ago 3
I would even say that Dogs are smarter than retarted people/children....sorry true!
sexzombie 2 years ago 5
@sexzombie Where do you draw the line from being retarded and not being retarded? Based on IQ? What number? If you think a lower IQ qualifies as being retarded, there is always a person out there with a higher IQ then you. So, does that mean we are all retarded to one another?
kennegun 1 year ago
You are taking his comment emotionally. Bill never said anything other than that they lack higher brain functions like dogs do but both are loveable and so on. You could argue that it was not a good comparison but you start to sidetrack and waffle about "who is he to say that" or "it's not their fault they were born that way".
SickleDH 3 years ago
You're retarded...
NonsensicalCreations 3 years ago
Dogs can think, so comparing retarded kids to dogs isn't claiming they can't think.
What you fail to understand, is that a dog is not a bad thing to be compared too.
You are arrogant if you say dog are bad.
They are loving, trustworthy and reliable companions.
If you take this into consideration, beeing compared to a dog isn't insulting.
The comparison is one about mental capacity, which might be, depending on the degree of retardation, similar to a dogs.
ragnaroek234 3 years ago 3
I forgot one point.
Bill Maher has 2 dogs. I just assume he loves them, so its unlikely the comparison he made was derogatory.
ragnaroek234 3 years ago
thats the point on another post i was trying to make. BILL LOVES ANIMALS ,he 's a member of PETA. If he abused dogs or made fun of them that would be one thing. He thinks dogs are innocent, trustworthy, and loving. This is only insulting if you don't have respect for dogs.
kushtravels23 2 years ago
I am sorry but I have a Brother with Downs Syndrome, and he is correct about the Comparrison. Its not a horrible thing to say.
Clemburke1111 3 years ago 8
@Clemburke1111 Where do you draw the line from being retarded and not being retarded? Based on IQ? What number? If you think a lower IQ qualifies as being retarded, there is always a person out there with a higher IQ then you. So, does that mean we are all retarded to one another?
kennegun 1 year ago
@kennegun Ken where do you draw the line with many things? You can ask that question about sex, age ,alcoholsim ,crime . We can dance around things all day but sometimes catagories are healthier, If My IQ Disqualifies me to get care in a group home or other finacial and legal advantages then I guess we can call it. If every thing remains blurred lines to you then we need to make every one go to work and no one to receive compensations etc.
Clemburke1111 1 year ago
@kennegun Ken where do you draw the line with many things? You can ask that question about sex, age ,alcoholsim ,crime . We can dance around things all day but sometimes catagories are healthier, If My IQ Disqualifies me to get care in a group home or other finacial and legal advantages then I guess we can call it. If every thing remains blurred lines to you then we need to make every one go to work and no one to receive compensations etc.
Clemburke1111 1 year ago
@kennegun Ken lets not draw lines at all ..Lets make every one get a job and receive no benifits.
Clemburke1111 1 year ago
ruff ruff
jammyAndPolitical 3 years ago
who cares what you think, your just a filthy nigger, Bill maher shouldve compared retarded children to niggers that would been funny.
jz12891 3 years ago
That's what your wife calls me...before I release.
wer4321 3 years ago
A retard taking part in the conversation.
Good for you!
I'll get you some crayon, but don't eat them all at once, you'll get a tummy ache.
ragnaroek234 3 years ago
retared as in not rain man retarded not as in down syndrom retarded not as being old retarded as vegetable retarded as not grasping anything not contributiong or incapable of contributing to it's existence as a human being of human intelligence like what we think when we mention "dog" it's connotative meaning Care and love are not just human qualities. I'm not saying retards are not human... duh so dont insinuate their i know a human is
adanrom 3 years ago
Point made he didnt sayed they looked like dogs althought again some retards and plain ordinary ppl might want to in opposed to what they do now
adanrom 3 years ago
No he's not... retards of what we no of not handicaps in general are like dogs Men are like Apes You are not moxie im sorry this hurts you. I love my cat over most ppl and would rather "it" live than certain ppl because they are mediocre kool aide drinking Special Olympics well u know the hander downers ironically. As a artist did you know elephants and 5 year olds can paint better than some full grown fully capable kool aide drinkers
adanrom 3 years ago
Why is everyone standing up for a shitting dick nipple like Bill Maher. Anyone who says he wasn't trying to offend people is fucking stupid. Bill Maher also supports gay rights, so I guess that makes all you supports a bunch of DICK SUCKERS, literally and metaphorically.
/troll
HowardMoon7 3 years ago
Im with bill, hedidn't say they couldn't think. dogs do think, there are plenty of smart dogs
there a smart retards and dumb retards, i know it sounds mean but its true, but they all dont have the average or what we consider normal social and communicative abilities, etc. it sounds bad what he said but it is not far from the truth.
fububalla 3 years ago
He simply said they were similar, the way they were. Both dogs and retarded children are very loving and affection, but they're not mentally capable of doing things. He didn't mean anything offensive about it, and if anyone took offense, it means they are too uptight about thing, and that they're prejudiced against dogs.
HammerOfPink 3 years ago
Jesus said : Children are the keys to the kingdom of heaven. If you are an athiest what can we expect from you ? Expect for Bill maher , physically challenge kids are dogs and chimps
jnemuri1 3 years ago
Bill wasn't trying to offed anybody it, I also think that retarted people are like dogs before I actually watched him say that. Bill and I have something in common, we're both animal lovers so maybe for other people comparing a human being to a dog might be offensive but for me it's not at all. He even said why, "sweet, loving, kind but not mentally advanced". I guess most people think of dogs as worthless beings but we don't.
jefflunar 3 years ago 4
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I find it offensive that you are comparing retarded people to Bill Maher. Bill and others like him are born that way through no fault of their own..
Moleculow 3 years ago
He never made fun of retarded people, he was simply making a comparison to their mental abilities. He also called them both "sweet", "loving" and "kind".
RedAss1975 3 years ago
berkaclit hangings too good for you boy...go rape and sodomize your dog you fucking hippy scum!!!! aint nothing wrong being from the south..fucking hippy scum..nigger loving jew!!!!
gimpy666420 3 years ago
nothing wrong from being from the south. many decent and great ppl from the south. even geniuses. you on the other hand, i would never insult a dog by comparing it to you.
CheStillFighting 3 years ago
no, he was referring to DOGS as being like retarded kids, that means nothing...had he said "retarded kids are like dogs" THEN ide see where your coming from...
and stop with the racist shit people... fucking southerners
berkaclit 3 years ago
if he was retarded he wouldn't have the MENTAL CAPACITY to say it about himself.
SecularTalk 3 years ago
well, he might but it might sound funny when he says it:
"yeah im a tardo" for example or
"me tardo"
he might say it over and over while jumping up and down
videoapparatus 3 years ago
i think it is a bigger insult to dogs
dogs are just being dogs
they dont care if the kids are retarded or whatever
videoapparatus 3 years ago 2
i better comparison, bob, would be to compare you to a little girl.
ibearbadnews 3 years ago
shutup dumb nigger
your below even dogs lololol
flang 3 years ago
go fuck yourself you rascist bitch. its people like you that cause suck high racial tension in the US by not accepting people's differences
poonagex2 3 years ago
Nobama . tk
VinlandicHeritage 3 years ago
This was interesting, but Maher is awesome.
Maher is one who sees the dog as just another person, he doesn't have that prejudice toward animals that says they are inferior to us. It is in no way an insult for him to compare them this way.
Although mentally I'm sure they are nothing alike, their personal rights to responsibility ratio should be, on average, at about the same level.. instead, we have an amazing double standard with animals that aren't our species.
So I'd phrase it differently.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
Bill was wrong of what he said.
He was basically saying he should be considered as much a hero for having 2 dogs as a parent who has 2 retarded children.
That is just plain stupid to make a comparison like that, and he probably realized it himself, which is why he apologized for it later.
I'm a big fan of Maher's, but trying to justify that is absurd.
axemexa1 4 years ago
Bill was wrong of what he said.
He was basically saying he should be considered as much a hero for having 2 dogs as a parent who has 2 retarded children.
That is just plain stupid to make a comparison like that, and he probably realized it himself, which is why he apologized for it later.
I'm a big fan of Maher's, but trying to justify that is absurd.
axemexa1 4 years ago
And what if he does have such a relative? Does that suddenly not entitle him to his opinion? What is wrong with loving your relatives and wanting what is best for them?
geistjagerin 4 years ago
Mr. Webcam guy sir, Bill in that 6 year old video, did NOT say they are valued the same as dogs.
He ONLY said they are equal in terms of their respective ability to ADVANCE in degree of intelligence, esp. compared to the average adult human being.
Both dogs and retarded people (not just children) will not "advance", this is measurably true. It's due to physical limitations, so blame god not Bill.
simonjeste 4 years ago
If Bill Maher had a child who was mentally handicapped, would he make that same comment? Bill Maher, that was a retarded comment, I thought you were smarter than that!
perspektuv 4 years ago
im quite sure he would.
newy219 3 years ago
kind of a dumb comment by bill, but not that big of a deal
saede172 4 years ago
bill maher is the man! retarded people are like dogs! lol
newy219 4 years ago
I think what he meant to say is people are like retarded dogs, at least that's what I would've said.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
Whether Bill Maher intended to degrade retarded children or not, the fact is HE DID. No one wants to be called a dog. And its quite easy to degrade those who can't defend themselves. He might as well include all physically disabled children, and children with illnesses. What a douche.
bingeandpurr 4 years ago
I think it is insane for anyone to misunderstand what Bill was driving at. He obviously didnt make that statement to degrade retarded children. For you to make a video proclaiming your outrage of his rhetorical comparison of dogs and retarded children proves you to be an irrational pedant.
freeyourmind2 4 years ago
Bill definately made an ignorant comment whether it was for ratings, shock value whatever I think that it wasn't necessary. if you were retarded and being compared that would not be a compliment because there are degrees of retardation and you should know that... You must be like a great deal of the animal lovers, who take baths with thier dogs, share food with thier dogs and do all kinds of things with thier dogs!Some people treat dogs better than they treat humans.
gregspeaksworldwide 4 years ago
You said it wasn't their fault they were born that way, and it isn't...but Bill NEVER said that, so that just proves your ignorance and your futile attempt to make an intelligent sounding argument and an attempt to make this video longer.
What's funny is that you compare an older individual to a mentally handicapped person which is like comparing an apple to turd.
korbaz21 4 years ago
Pigs have the mental capacity of a 3-year-old human. Dogs have more mental capacity than small children, or retarded adults. Yet we claim out superiority over all animals. It's a philosophical issue and you obviously made the mistake of taking it literally.
langbry 4 years ago
I agree with the video maker. I used to live in America and Bill Maher is a sad excuse for a man. He should definately not be representing liberal politics either, in any way shape or form.
Actually do Liberals exist in America anymore?
Anyway, Nice one Greg.
gbcharlie 4 years ago
Bill isnt a Liberal. He never claimed to be a Liberal. He is a Libertarian. Do some homework.
freeyourmind2 4 years ago
Bill is a weird libertarian -- he loves The Welfare State.
Bill is a public "LINO" (hint: just like a "RINO").
simonjeste 4 years ago
o.o I don't think it would make sense in any case to try to attach an ideology label to Bill Maher. Look up his "new rules" segment from September 28 2007, he ridicules George W. Bush just a few minutes before ridiculing Arabs.
HiddenFacedMatt 3 years ago
uh
lol
the double-standard is ridiculous
YOU are saying that dogs don't have feelings or thoughts
like sealhunta said who's getting dissed here really?
it's so fashionable to bash bill maher, he's a fucking comedian :sigh:
ThomasNemelka 4 years ago
i guess my point is, comparing dogs to retarded ppl is being nice to dogs, a retarded human is more capable than a retarded dog. so if u want to say something good about dogs, go ahead and compare them to retarded kids
sealhunta 4 years ago
okay so who would be more offended by ur respons, retarded children, or dogs?
It's just a question.
sealhunta 4 years ago
You should link to his video so we can judge for ourselves
samuelmorrison 4 years ago
I think you're insane.
I don't like kids and I view kids like having a pet. Anyways I think Bill was joking.
Salvatrucho213 4 years ago
Whether you are perceived as a hero does not depend on how "mentally deficient" the person/animal one takes care of is, but how much (thankless) work it takes and how difficult it is to give them a good life. One would not be a hero if they treated retarded children like dogs. Also people buy dogs for their own enjoyment, no one prefers to have a retarded child.
Maher is not a very deep thinker.
ssdahle 4 years ago
You're right, but it goes back to this: he is fundamentally a comedian that does politics, not a political commentator who does comedy. He's going to be better at making people laugh than provoking really deep thought on these issues. And on this he's just flat out wrong.
mrt110883 4 years ago
I agree, I generally think he does his job well, as a comedian he is one of the better ones. And I'm sure he would concede the point if anyone had made the argument above.
ssdahle 4 years ago