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  • the greatest admiral ever

  • xgo Cadiz getting upset about Trafalgar

    we won in the end so shut up

    Nothing compares to Gibraltar September 1782

    60,000 Spaniards & 50 ships against 5,000 Brits & no ships.

    To (misquote) Churchill 'Never in the field of human conflict have so many been thrashed by so few!''

    ROOOFFLL!!

  • @TheBritishLegions british had many ships in 1782 to get food to gibraltar siege, in the end britain ceded florida, menorca, campeche, honduras so the spanish would get out of gibraltar so who won? what has no comparison is 30000 british against 4000 spanish in cartagena de indias and the british had to run to hide in jamaica.

  • @kaikovich

    LOL! Gibraltar was bigger

    Black River campaign in 1782 made sure of Spanish there ha ha!!

    We even retook Bahamas 200 mostly unarmed soldiers forced surrender of 600 Spaniards in 1783

    Ha ha ha ha!!

  • @TheBritishLegions LOL British & no ships? Gibraltar 1782, British used incredible number of ships, reinforcements and food. The Spanish were not defeated, the war simply stoped. Cartagena de Indias 1741, the 4000 Spanish had no support at all, and the 30000 British & 186 ships were totally killed and destroyed. British cant fight. We killed Drake, we killed Nelson. We killed all your heroes hahah, you could never kill Lezo, Bazán or Gravina. They are still in your nightmares

  • @kaikovich

    ROOFFFLL!!

    Of course we did and not only that all the naval releifs smashed through the Spanish blockade during their siege of Gibraltar

    There were 3 attempts at relief over 3 years and all of them succeeded one of which was an entire Spanish convoy captured by Lord Rodney.

    The Spanish did not need support at all since disease was on their side.

    'we killed Nelson'?

    Sorry I don't think so the French did.. we captured a Spanish admiral two in fact and killed Gravina

  • @TheBritishLegions Lol, you disinformed. You didnt kill Gravina. He survived the battle and died in Cadiz.

    Disease reached British because 30.000 of them with 186 ships and 1.500 cannon failed to conquer the fort before the rainy season (3 months of failure) xD

    Be grateful to disease because Alvaro de Bazán died 5 months before taking the Armada to invade your little protestant island xD

    And also be grateful to the French whose infamous commander was the only reason you won in Trafalgar.

  • @kaikovich Gravina died of his wounds from the battle so that meant he didn't survive the battle. Mortally wounded died as a direct result. Deal with it.

    Disease struck the Spanish with their failed Armada of 1779. Lessons learned clearly not ...LOL!!

    Making excuses about the defeat at Trafalgar it would have made no difference because the Spanish would have their asses handed to them just like at Cape St Vincent... you should see the captured Spanish flag from the San Juan it is huge.

  • @kaikovich we still have it at our National maritime museum

    have a look!

  • @kaikovich British can fight at Gibraltar

    they didn't need disease to kill the Spanish they used guns and hot potatoes to smash the Spanish to pieces

    then we did the same at Cape St Vincent and Trafalgar

    The Spanish navy truly was pawned to tears.

    : (

  • Africa??? Poorest continent. "Civilizations" also wiped out claim the Afrocentrists.

    PS. I like British culture. You shpould try travelling to Spain (2nd nation in World heritage sites) before we disspaear to massive inmigration, instead of posting so much nonsense.

  • Were are they???: Salvodoreans guatemalans, Peruvians, Mexicans, Bolivians, Paraguayans, etc 95% amerindians.

    Civilization??? MASSIVE human sacrifice. In Bolivia tiday with Evo Morales, their is a return to human sacrifice rituals and practice.

    Aztecs and Incas worshipped a god of war, plucked out childrens hearts as religion.

    Rome conquered celts of Spain. The exploited the gold mines. "They wiped out our civilization".

  • hahaha Do you know the history of Spain: ALWAYS against moors, Turkish Empire, France (ally of Turks), German Protestants, Dutch, sometimes Portugal, the Catalans ...

    and England.

    In the 16 and 17cent, Spain had 6-8 million pop. (France 24 million)

    Spain DEFENDED Europe for moors and Turks for 1000 years. Don´t ber ungrateful. Now you have them in UK, and you´ll soon understand Spain´s unparalleled greatness.

  • I didn´t learn this in a history book:

    I´VE TRAVELLED ALL OVER SOUTH AND CENTRAL AMERICA.

    Also I´ve lived in USA for 5 years

    This based on experience, and direct observation.

  • Start with:

    Richard Slotkin, Regeneration Through Violence. The Mythology of the American Frontier, 1600-1860

    There are 20 million "hispanic" or "latinos", (i. e. amerindians) in USA and you write that we killed them?

    I can´t take a walk in MAdrid without seeing

    amerindians (Columbians, Peruvians,Ecuadorians, even argentinians, etc)

    And you count racial mixing as genocide???-

    So it better to exterminate them and isolate the few left in concentration camps ("reservations")?

  • OK: but you tube:

    Blas de Lezo, sea wolf

    And for greatest heroes of Europe:

    El Cid

    Don Juan de Austria

  • very few indigenous population???

    u don´t know what your talking about

    Independence? they lasted till 1820

    USA till 1776: and all thanks to:

    BERNARDO GALVEZ

  • your style of speech is very according to your nationality.

    Evo Morales, Chavez, Benito Juarez, etc etc: all crazy amerindians rulers

    I´ve never seen a peruvian, ecuadorian, salvadorean, etc thats looks like a Spaniard (that is a Real full blooded Spaniard, not your greasy steretype of one). Race is self reported in LAtinAmerica: they say their white becuase they supposedly had some great great great grand pa that had intercourse with their inca grandma.

  • you are so f. ignorant:

    Spain passed the 1st human rights laws in History: Valladolid in the 16th cent.

    You live in a Hollywood fantasy world.

  • NO WE WON:

    Reconquista: survival againts moors

    Lepanto: survival against turks

    For NApo: google Battle of Bailen

    And Spanish: 400 million speakers. Not bad for a nation of 6 million in 1500.

  • ???

    Thats whi Peru and Mexico are indian???

    Thats why USA, canada, Australia, New Zealand are white???

    Do you REALLY believe your own lies???

  • In 350 years while Spain fought moors, berbers and the mighty Turkish empire plus: dagos backstabbers anglos, ductch and french who COMBINED only took Jamaica, Haiti, and Trinidad you tube: Blas de Lezo, sea wolf Spain WON the Anglo-Spain war (1580-1604) google: Bernardo Galvez BOW DOWN TO BLAS DE LEZO GONZALO FERNANDEZ DE CORDOBA DON JUAN DE AUSTRIA HERNAN CORTES, ETC
  • go study:

    Sanchez de Tovar

    Carlos de Amesquita

    Battles of A Coruña, Buenos Aires, Puerto Rico, Cartagena, Tenerife, Menorca, etc

    Your historians are a joke.

    1 example: they hid BLAS DE LEZO massive victory over Vernon.

  • thats why mexico is an Aztec nation???

    You need to grow up mate: LatinAmerica is amerindian 90%mtDNA.

    USA, Canada, Australia, etc was state extermination

  • So much contempt and envy for British millitery history. Lord nelson was without a doubt one of the greatest naval commanders of all time. His track record says it all, and i defy any youtuber to argue the point. Still one of Great britains favourite sons. The man is a legend.

  • you tube: "Blas de Lezo, sea wolf" google: MAria Pita, defeats Drake google: Bernardo Galvez, decisive for the Independence of USA Spain´s military history has no rival: Reconquista (711-1492) Navas de Tolosa, 1212 Hernan Cortes Pizarro Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba Don Juan de Austria Lepanto, 1571 Blas de Lezo, etc etc
  • Admiral Sir George Rook, Royal Navy joint leader in the capture of Gibralter 1704.

    Battle of Vigo Bay 1702 destroyed,captured,seised entire spanish/french treasure fleet part of the war of the spanish succesion. etc,etc.

  • wow! How great! Conquest with a profesional army of thousands men, and ships of the line, a little village defended by five hundred men (most villagers)...but much better is dont conquest the city until three days of assaults! (and by the way: it is Gibraltar, no "Gibralter") Rule britannia...yeah...

  • @ChristopherthomasBis:

    Fact: Spain´s`population in 1500: 6 million: same as England. Look it up. yes we both have glorious histories.

    (I´ll even admit that in technology Britain has been much more inventive in the last 350 years) Spain I believe owns England in art and arquitecture.

    They both have great Literatures.

    And yes, Islam and China are now the rivals

    Believe or not I like most Brittish people and admire many great British figures.

    Peace.

  • also, you say you were a tiny island: Spain did not have that fortune: it was the bloody FRONTIER with Islam.

    To understand the greatness of Spain´s history you have to star with RECONQUISTA

    and defeat of Muslims in the Mediterranean.

    And then came the 1st World Empire in 4 continents and the evangelization of America.

    That´s why there is no history in the world comparable in epic terms epic. Epic: not meausured in wealth or being a "winer", its about sacrifice, courage and generosity.

  • English people are ignorant narcissists. Google: "Spanish Empire". We came first. We were more humane: Spanish america is indian and mixed. We mapped the world. Go study: ýou can start with: Juan de la Cosa (1st World AMp) Ponce de Leon Cabeza de Vaca Coronado Nunez de Balboa Sahagun (founder of etnology), etc etc If any of these people were English you´d be blowing your trumpets non-stop over them.
  • Two superpowers could not beat us.

    Please explain to us why we are the ones that owned the seas even before Trafalgar?.

    How come we were able to blockcade revolutionary france and spain.take on the Americans , Dutch, and still remain dominant of the seas?.

  • you did not own the seas all the time, You´ve been lobotomized. You get much nmore credit than you deserve.

    If you would have the likes of the following 100 hollywood movies would jhave been made.

    Start googling:

    Pelagius

    El Cid

    Ferdinand III (victor at NAvas de Tolosa)

    Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba (set the rule of Europe by the trercios from 1492 yo 1648. SPAIN: ONLY NATION TO RULE IN EUROPE. NAPO AND HITLER LASTED LESS THAN A DECADE)

  • do you know that Spain fought at the same time from 1492 the following powers (and still kept its Empire till 1820)?: moors berbers turks Italy (dominated from 13 cent till 18cent. In fact Spain was like the NAto of the times protecting Italians from Turks) France Dutch(Under Spain´s rule) England German Protestants Belgians (belonged to spain for 200 years) Conquerd Aztec Empire(30million) with 500 men Conquered Inca Empire (25million) with 200 men Etc etc
  • It really ticks me off when the world tries to take Englands credit.

    We are a tiny Island No nation has any excuse losing to us.

    None what so ever.

    The odds against us beating any nation is high cos of our size.

    So if we aint as good as you think please explain how superpowers in the 19th cent like spain and France could not defeat and invade Britain.

    There is no excuse the only excuse is the fact that we were simply bloody beter.

    Cos our ships were crap but our men were superior.

  • you get more credit than you deserve. You have a tremendous propaganda machinery.

    Study the greates military history: SPAIN´S:

    Reconquista

    Navas de Tolsa

    Granada 1492

    Cortes

    Pizarro

    Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba

    DON JUAN DE AUSTRIA (at Lepanto)

  • YOU TUBE: BLAS DE LEZO, SEA WOLF

    Again they only little english lads teach oyur victories.

    Superior? hahhhhhhh

    Google: Sebastian El cano (1st man around the globe)

    Nunez de Balboa

    Coronado

    Cabeza de Vaca

    Ponce de Leon

    Spaniards DISCOVERED THE PLANET, while DEFENDING EUROPE FROM MOORS AND TURKS!

    Nobody os superior to Spain.

  • Go study: Bailen

    And don´t try taking credit for nthe defeat of NApo in the peninsula.

    Left on his own, without the aid of spain, Napo would have slaughtered you.

    Example: the fate of Sir John Moore at Coruña.

    No help from Spain: killed by the French.

  • That you don´t even know BLAS DE LEZO only proves that most British "historians" are not historians: they are mostly propagandistic charlatans at the service of her Majesty.

  • you don´t understand: Spain´s objectives in 1805 was to preserve the Spanish Empire,

    not to invade Britain.

    Trafalgar was Napoleon´s war. The poeple rebelled 3 years later. It was fought in France´s interests, not Spain´s.

    What is admirable is the GREATNESS of Spaniards (yes full blooded white men, not the "spanish" people of South America that you like to confuse with us) even in defeats like Rocroi or trafalgar.

  • so you have blocked me but sent me more on your view.

    OK, to summarize:

    Spain fought Muslims moors turks and berbers in the defence of Europe and Vhristianity

    England fought for England.

    What´s amazing is that fighting veryone with a small population in a poor land and FRONTIER with Islamic nations Spain kept its TransAtlantic Empire (which Spain DISCOVERED) FOR 4 CENTURIES.

    Kind regards.

  • Waterloo cannot be explained without Trafalgar. Nelson's victory is the beginning of the end to Napoleon's military dictatoship.

  • My respects from Spain: but Spain beat England inn more battles than viceversa. You just forget the ones you lost (only took Jamaica from us)

    SEE: BLAS DE LEZO, BATTLE OF CARTAGENA IN 1741

    TRAFALGAR WAS LOST DUE TO FRENCH INCOMPETENCE. NOT A SPANISH BATTLE: IT EAS NAPOLEON´S WAR (SPANISH PEOPLE REBELLED AGAINST HIM 3 YEARS AFTER TRAFALGAR)

  • Oh is that a fact my spanish friend!!.

    What about the defeat of the spanish armarda in the 1600s.

    Again we were out numbered out gunned and the spanish ships were bigger better built than anything we had and we still beat you.

    Also we ejected you from most of the carribbean.

    please name the battles you ever beat us at?.

    If we would have lost the important ones we would have been apart of the spanish empire.

    you cant blame the french for you ealier defeats.

  • Also we Beat the Americans in more battles than they ever beat us. in 1812 we took washington but in both wars we still lost.

    It aint who won a battle its about who wins the war

    IE if we would have lost then spain would have taken Britania in the 1600s and if we hadnt beat france then napoleon would have taken little old England.

    Remember Europe how small we really are before you try to take out glory we won cos we were beter plain and bloody simple.

  • Spain: 1st World Empire: from Brusselss to Manila to Oregon to Naples to Mozambique (the Portuguese Empire was Spain´s from 1580 to 1640 including Brasil), from Rotterdam to Oran (North Africa), from the Canary Islands to Rossellon (in France) to Angola to Luxembourg... etc etc all with ONLY 6-8 MILLION POPULATION(THE FRENCH HAD 24 MILLION AT ROCROI)

  • Spain DISCOVERED AND MAPPED THE WORLD.

    ENGLAND FOLLOWED THROUGH 250 YEARS AFTERWARDS.

    Spain had 6-8 million population.

    Spanish America is 90% indian blood (there was no extrermination like in canada USA Australia New Zealand...).

    You were only better at EXTERMINATING natives

  • Spanish Armada is 1588.

    Islands are easier to defend than peninsulas.

    Had similar population.

    you never defended Europe from moors and Turks.

  • yes its a fact. And you tube Blas de Lezo.

    Spain fought moors and nTurks ALWAYS and saved Europe.

    The Armada was an attempt to preserve the Catholic unity in Europe. You were not outnumbered. And it was a TIE (you tube the BbC documentary -you´ll trust it) fought in YOUR territorry with ships engineered for the Meditterrenean against turks (google Lepanto).

  • "ejected from the Caribbean?" Is that a joke?Spain lost in 1898! to USA Puerto Rico and Cuba.

    Santo Domingo was never taken. You only took JAmaica, which you made the poorest natrion with the French Haiti in the Continent.

    Up north English and Americans made rich nations after EXTERMINATING almost all the natives in Canada and USA.

    Spainish America is INDIAN(MExico has only 3% full blooded Spaniards).

  • In The Caribbean Spain only lost JAmaica to Britain and HAiti yo the Frenvh (by the way the worst slavery systems in all the Americas with the deep south in usa).

    Spain was fighting moors and turks. And what defeats?

    English tried unsuccesfully to take: Cadiz,

    Menorca, Canary Islands, Cuba, Santo Domingo, Florida, Tenerife,...the shores of A Coruna and cadiz and Cartagena are packed with sunken English ships.

  • Haiti was not taken militarily. It was exchanged through a treaty.

  • nearly 20 victories on sea for Napoleon before Trafalgar.Waterloo.What balance! 60 000 french soldiers tired by the cold of Russia against 120 000 soldiers. I know Napoleon won with 1 against 20. It was the greatest conqueror of Europe and permitted its unification ans expansion of democracy

    Watch this: youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=jlHStv­9NTCk

  • I fail to see how a dictator created a democratic europe.He was a brutal conqueror.And an Italian.

  • You forget the Battle of the Nile...And democratic ideas did not flow from France first, nor did France behead their king first. Check Charles 1 and Magna Carta and ancient Greece.

    But, we're all friends now apart from on the sporting field for that hour or so :).

  • Napoleon with out doubt was the greatest general in his time and he made france the most powerfull nation in the world.

    But repubilican france s navy was no match for the Royal navy after the revolution because france killed or imprisoned its best admirals and leaders.

    Again frances ships were beter built and far supierior to anything the english could build

  • There was no excuse for france losing to the Royal navy.

    We beat you cos we were beter plain and simple if frances victorys meant anything then the royal navy would have been chased away and England invaded.

    History speaks for itself.

  • lord Nelson wooo :) Britania's Navy ftw

  • Lord Nelson is my hero.

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