The Swiss health care system puts the NHS to shame. It has the quality and choice of the American system with the universal coverage and reduced cost of single payer systems. It's the best of both worlds.
come on CBS, i bet you were paid by an american healthcare company to do this. such bias! just say the entire british healthcare system is corrupt based on 1 hospital. great....
Why do liberals think that the government, which is incompetent with our money in wars and other circumstances, is gonna do a great job with healthcare? I guess you guys don't realize the reason for the high cost of medical care now is because people use insurance for everything. It was originally intended for emergencies like heart attacks, but now people want it for flu shots! It'll only get more expensive with nationalized healthcare.
@MaximilianHorizon It doesn't work in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY. It works in countries with large amounts of money to pad the deficiencies in the system and say its good.
@MaximilianHorizon I never said anything about taxes bro. The original poster isn't me. Unlike you guys though, I like to keep my money. Anyways, the problem about national healthcare systems that I have brought up already is that they go into debt extremely fast. Look at the UK's national system it has a defecit of 7 billion euros. What I'm saying is the reason this system works in Europe is because you guys have (not really, but neither do we) money to give the system when it goes into debt
@MaximilianHorizon Your national health service has been running in the red since 2005, and hasn't shown any sign of getting better. The problem with the idea that "there are still private healthcare if you wanna pay to give something more or different." is that you are already being forced to pay for the NHS through your taxes. This is involuntarily forcing people to purchase a service.
@MaximilianHorizon That doesn't change the fact that the system is in debt, and that you are forcing people who possibly may not want the service to pay for it. Personally I would rather have the option to pay into what ever health insurance I want, vs being forced to pay into a government run, inefficient system.
@armeg35 The NHS is underfunded, but the system is still more efficient because no money needs to be paid to share holders. It is also completely in the interest of human well being and not money making.
A problem but nothing like not getting ANY health care at all, we have it so good that people take the nhs for granted, ANY world class health care is better than none
I don't see how being goverment run can mean a lack of quality? yes, it may mean a lack of equipment/service in some areas due to funding but not quality or care. Just look at British Universities and Medical schools - the best in the world. Also, a lot of American doctors go into their field for the money and status - you don't get that over here.
after 20 years, you start making money by being a doctor. very long term investment.
it depends on the government , which relates to the quality of care. Third world countries that have government healthcare. will it be up to par with europe?
@taledarkside Quality in terms of medical training? The government doesn't own Universities/Medical Schools - they're the ones who train the doctors to do their job.
There's a difference between healthcare system and the healthcare facilities. the system is good. sadly the facility was not run properly. it is a management problem in that facility, not the problem of the system.
@ttiiyy Yes, i said it was a management problem in that facility. Heathcare system is the organization of people, institutions, and resources to deliver health care services to meet the health needs of target populations. you cant blame the entire system just because of one bad apple. And by the way, its funny how you replied to my comment 9 hours ago and yet your account is now non-existent.
1.) The healthcare facilities are part of the healthcare system. There's no difference between them. And I'm not trying to defame the whole system b/c of a few bad apples. I just thought your original statement was ridiculous. The healthcare facilities are PART of the healthcare system.
2.) My account is not non-existent. I set it up that way just so no assholes would leave rude comments on my account.
@ttiiyy im sorry i believe system and management are separate. The word 'system' im referring can be compared to socialism or capitalism. Different modes of organizing a country's resources. Because, regardless of whatever system you have right now, if you have stupid people running them, you'd still get horrible results (like congress). thats what im trying to point out. Because i don't want people to base their opinions of British healthcare on this one sided report.
@TheZachary86 Can I be honest with you? You worry too much. As an American, I don't believe that the British system is bad. However, I do believe that if there's a problem, it must be addressed. Nothing more, nothing less. You should not have to care about what other people think anyway. All non-British assholes that do bash the British system most likely have no access to the British system anyway. They will never be able to use it. So who cares about what they think? Just relax.
@ttiiyy Looking back its probably the first sentence in my original statement that caused a lot of confusion. could've improved on it but i let it be, as long as i got the message across. should've used the word management instead of facilities. i hope you get what i was trying to say now. And i'm not worried about what people think. just aggravated. That's me.
If you actually look at this, it's criticising foundation trusts and staff incompetency in an isolated case, and the Brits do not for once say that they wish for the NHS to be eroded. It's all US scaremongering spin. If you had ever lived a day never worrying about access to healthcare for you or your family, then you'd realise what Obama's doing is revolutionary and will improve the live s of millions of americans. Hands off the NHS motherfuckers & wake up to reality.
As a Brit I can say this is fairly accurately. We Brits get very self-righteous about the NHS because it is such an honourable goal (i.e. not to have people die without care). However we have LONG crawled up our own arses over this one. We now neglect to think how best healthcare could be provisioned in a way that gives patients proper choice. My great-aunt died at another hospital after ABYSMAL care and attention. We need to have a system of opt-out.
Normal british health care. Poor economy, no mony and rural land. Let there people die with no care, with there commenwealth paid by americans! hahahaah
NHS isnt perfect. But how crazy must you be to think that the American system of BS insurance, and the VERY occasional throw a poor guy a bone and give him some care is better. Yeah A/E is usually full of junkies and drunken men that got glassed or stabbed, and you have to wait several hours. And some of our nurses are lazey and uncaring and are more concerned with the x factor. And yes our system is taken advantage of. But its better than nothing. And private care exists if you want it.
Please note this video is unrepresentative of the majority of UK hospitals; this scandal was HUGE news here in the UK, why? because news is anything unusual, and this is absolutely not what most hospitals in hospitals are like.
As an example, I broke my leg requiring surgery to insert a pin; I arrived at hospital late evening, and the surgery was performed first thing the next morning. I then had it out: the initial offered date was when I was unavailable; they simply moved it to a later date.
What a load of twaddle. If anything that particular hospital failed because as a Foundation Trust it was given more independence not because of centralised targets. My Grandmother went in to another hospital complaining of a pain in her stomach, within 3 days she had seen a specialist, had an operation and was back on her feet ready to go home. My Grandfather requires over a dozen different medicines a day and my father two medicines, all for no charge. All this for half the per-capita cost
The problems with the NHS is that its an overly Centralized Government Monopoly that has the responsibility of providing Health Care and Insurance to over 60M brits. In America we have choice and competition and we decide for ourselves where we get our Health Care and who we pay for it.
It isn't the government that chooses. It works like this: You go to see your G.P. (family doctor) who you can choose your self, they are not assigned to you at birth or anything stupid like that, if you don't like your G.P. you can change to a different one. This G.P. then makes a decision based on medical knowledge not profit as to which hospital is best for your condition, you are then asked would you rather go to said hospital or your local hospital.
In Britain perhaps the Government chooses who your doctor is. But in America we make those decisions. With all the faults of our Health Care system we make those decision for ourselves as americans.
@FRSFreeStateES Well, you can decide IF you have the money to do any decision making, come that ugly day. That wouldn't be so bad if there were an affordable option to buy insurance covering at least those events and accidents that will otherwise leave you bankrupt. Unfortunately, it seems that exactly those kind of events ar hardest to really get insurance for at affordable rates.
Well apparently brits have decided that they want Freedom of Choice in where they get they're Health Care and Insurance. Because Private Health Care and Insurance is now available in Britain.
@FRSFreeStateES Well, you can decide, but only IF you have the money to do any decision making, come that ugly day. That wouldn't be so bad if there were an affordable option to buy insurance covering at least those events and accidents that will otherwise leave you bankrupt. Unfortunately, it seems that exactly those kind of events ar hardest to really get insurance for at affordable rates.
@FRSFreeStateES Well, you can decide, but only IF you have the money to do any decision making, come that ugly day. That wouldn't be so bad if there were an affordable option to buy insurance covering at least those events and accidents that will otherwise leave you bankrupt. Unfortunately, it seems that exactly those kind of events are hardest to really get insurance for at affordable rates.
But the Family Doctor works for the UK Government. Brits have apparently decided that they want Freedom of Choice in they're Health Care and Insurance. Because Private Health Care Insurance are now available in Britain.
Private health insurance never went away, I fully support having both public and private healthcare running parallel to each other, keeps both on their toes and competitive, it prevents either from becoming complacent.
This greatly highlights the difference in media reporting (in the UK and USA) between the NHS and USA hospitals. When it goes wrong in the NHS the system is blamed. In the USA the hospital is (rightly) blamed. Poor care occurs in hospitals world over, just look healthcare suits in America for poor practice. Although this puts the NHS in bad light, it's good that the NHS is reported on as a whole organisation as all NHS hospitals will be prompted to review their guidelines/systems.
This greatly highlights the difference in media reporting (in the UK and USA) between the NHS and USA hospitals. When it goes wrong in the NHS the system is blamed. In the USA the hospital is (rightly) blamed. Poor care occurs in hospitals world over, just look healthcare suits in America for poor practice. Although this puts the NHS in bad light, it's good that the NHS is reported on as a whole organisation as all NHS hospitals will be prompted to review their guidelines/systems.
People who support the NHS assume that the US system is the only alternative. The US system is plagued with Government regulations which puch costs up and limit the number of doctors, hospitals and level of care available.
Privatising the NHS would make the situation much better - just not the American style of 'regulation'.
in 2002 estimated that 18,000 Americans died in 2000 because they were uninsured. Since then, the number of uninsured has grown. 137,000 people died from 2000 through 2006 because they lacked health insurance, including 22,000 people in 2006." With all that some in the US still think they have the best health care system in the world. Please see "“the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” for some unbiased truths.
Who the fuck would go to Stafford xD I'm sorry but a run down place like stafford.. you can't really expect to get the best treatment be it medical or anything else.
Truth is the majority of NHS hospitals are running smooth. Certainly all the big city hospitals are top notch. But the media only ever reports on the downside because thats all the public really wants to hear.
@pepparn123Taken "Urban Institute" "in 2002, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) estimated that 18,000 Americans died in 2000 because they were uninsured. Since then, the number of uninsured has grown. Based on the IOM's methodology and subsequent Census Bureau estimates of insurance coverage, 137,000 people died from 2000 through 2006 because they lacked health insurance, including 22,000 people in 2006."
Every Australian knows that when you go on a Working Holiday for a year or two to the UK, you do NOT go to the dentist in the UK as it's on the public NHS sysem and is total garbage. Every Australian in the know waits until they are back home with private, well trained dentists who won't pull out your teeth for no reason.
@Siegetower i had a dentist who used to do that, now they will try their absolute hardest to not pull teeth out. beats the door string slamming treatment
Sarcasm alert. I LOVE how people communicate with strangers on youtube. First thing you ever say to someone is to swear at them. Try surviving 5 minutes like that in the real world, in any country on Earth.
Google: Axe falls on NHS services (telegraph.co.uk)
Google: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care (ncpa.org/pub/ba649)
The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Sir Winston Churchill
Wow I forgot how bad American news is! Amazing, a bad hospital... guess what there are some bad free market hospital in the states That's why the United Kingdom is ranked 17 while the U.S. is ranked 37.... pathetic... 37... really 37? Really!
I'm glad that to get a good balanced view on the downsides of the Nhs, they went to so many of the >1000 hospitals and clinics in the Uk, oh wait.
How can anyone base an entire system on 1 hospital? Yes this hopsital is clearly failing and yes it need radical reforms as may some others, however the fact of the matter is these are the minority.
What Americans seem to forget is that we don't only have the Nhs here, If we don't like it we have bupa! Obama doesnt want to clone the Nhs anyway.
American news is such bullshit, no wonder Yanks are so stupid, they base they're views on other countries on this corporate news bollocks,CBS,FOX,CNN, all shit
This is ridiculous. Yes, these incidences happen, BUT GUESS WHAT, IT HAPPENS IN AMERICA. Why do you think American doctors pay so much malpractice insurance? It happens more in America!
i love america but i dont wanna pay 68000 dollars for some bullshit tests and treatments when i have a broken leg, so i think imma move to france... should i?
The labour government political NHS targets is what helped fuck up half the NHS at least The conservatives want to increase funding and abolish half of these unneeded targets for the better
what party was playing the same cards as the republicans in the USA in 1948 and said everything to try to stop the NHS and continue suffering for the poor and gain for the rich.
hmmm they said it was communist and would end with a threat to britain far greater then hitler.
This hospital trust got to this state due ti the management seeking"foundation trust" stutus with FEWER government controls. This was not in the patients' best interest.
It was NHS comparative statistics that led to this hospital trust failings being investigated.
All hospitals should be monitored in this way to help identify best practices AND find failing hospitals.
If you read the official report it says that "it would be wrong to try to put a figure on the mumber of deaths" but that's what this journalist did.. Its dishonest.
Would you say the Apollo space program was a failure because of the human error that led to the explosion on Apollo 13?
You cannot judge an entire system by looking at a failing in one small part of it.
haha come to the UK and see for yourself aha these are isolated incidents and these people sued CBS for saying they were anti NHS. i have been to hospitals here many times and they are clean, modern, and with fast service.
dont think that stuff like this doesn't happen in america because it does the difference is the companies pay people to keep quiet but in the UK we say it should be known so that we can improve.
the american system is the worst in the world if you think
"The hospital became obsessed with treating as many patients as possible, to meet government targets."
Look up the BBC film: "The Trap: What Happened to our Dreams of Freedom" which covers this. It's an idea, started by Thatcher then continued by Major and Blair, that tried to bring the free market into public services.
The problems with the NHS are mostly due to its part-privatisation and these stupid targets.
Stafford is THE worst hospital in Britain granted ( i was born there LMAO) but americans focus in shick stories, this has happened under the US system, it is inevitable that resources will be stretched, but just ask people in Britain, it is a GOOD thing
ok i agree the NHS is Not perfect but in General the NHS is Very good n i was infected with MRSA in an NHS hospital "north mid" But we have many many wonderful hospitals in the UK some i believe are as good as any on earth n the staff in general are exceptionally good n helpful i'll give the NHS at least 90% maybe they deserve even More Far better than Most
i have never seen such a miss representation of an institution in my life. lets see some statistics. and i thaught the UK media was poor, i cant believe people trust these permatan morons.
@rickwoodall funny that when ever people say something that others disagree with they are the stupid ones. When Americans talk about others health care systems in a bad light then they MUST BE STUPID because the NHS is perfect and of course Americans are dumb GTFO you brainwashed troll.
@multicolouredcrayon The US health care model is FARRRRRRRRRRRR BETTER. No waiting lines, not expensive as you may think and of course the best doctors in the world bar none
@cwood4ever If true then please explain why the US system is rated only 37th in health care, costs twice that of other advanced nation nations. Allows one citizen to die every 12 seconds because they lack insurance. Explain why 60% of all bankruptcies in the US are connected to healthcare why are people refused insurance because of pre-conditions. Quality healthcare with unlimited benefits costs a fortune beyond the limits of millions and they still pay taxes for medicaid , etc.
@taledarkside (Reuters) - "Nearly 45,000 people die in the US every year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and cannot get good care" Reports Harvard Medical School. " two out of three bankruptcies stem from medical bills, and even people with health insurance face financial disaster if they experience a serious illness, a new study shows." New York Times. Wednesday, June 22, 2011. Who is Alex Jones? Regards
@taledarkside The articles are taken from two of your top academically elite institutions I doubt they are not accurate. Regarding illegal immigrants taking advantage of medical care is a problem for all advanced countries certainly in Europe, Australia and not just the US in normal circumstances abuse should not be allowed. However if the illegal are employed simply to undercut the pay rates within the US then those employing the illegal should be punished and made to pay any costs involved.
maybe you should look a 8 sources before you draw a conclusion. You already made an assumption that article was written today. Shows you can't read and it was from 2009. Australia isn't an advance country. Germany and Japan are the only ones.
Illegal imigrants getting free healthcare proves your assumptions of american healthcare as being incorrect. Just because you believe everything you read on the internet, without further research.
@taledarkside I assume if the information given agreed with your point of view you would happily except it on the spot. I said in my comments that illegal immigrants should not be entitled to free health care. I assume the reason you have so many illegal Mexican is the same reason Europe have so many illegal immigrants they are all desperate to find a better life. The answer to the problem is the same, fine anyone that employs illegals especially if they are paying less than the legal wage.
looks like you are avoiding the question. giving mexicans jobs isn't the question. You claim no one gets healthcare. Illegal immigrants get free healthcare.
@taledarkside The quote from the Harvard Medical School stated " Nearly 45,000 people die in the US every year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and cannot get good care" had nothing to do with Mexican immigrants. You asked a question regards health care for illegal immigrants I gave you my view.
So why are illegal mexicans not turned away from medical care? thats the question I asked and you never answered. You changed the subject into the polictics of illegals which i don't care for in this video discussion
@taledarkside I assumed that being a basically civilised country your Drs do not turn away sick people who need help. I also assume that illegals sick or not are nonetheless returned to their country of origin asap. The words advance or advanced can be attached to many things not just technological. Please see "AMERICAN MAN RAPED A STRAY DOG!! " but what the hell raping dogs have got to do with technical development beats me. It was your stupid first comment started this conversation not me.
and there you go. doctors don't turn away sick people who need help. And your quoting some article with no research, claiming people die because they don't have healthcare.
its against the law in the US to have sex with a dog. but there are advanced countries (as you call it) that still allow animal sex
@taledarkside Then I was right to assume Drs don't turn away sick people who need help. Its you that keeps prattling on about Mexicans getting healthcare. I quoting from a research paper produced by one of the worlds leading academic medical research centres Harvard Medical School and you don't get much better than that. Name me a country where it is legal too have sex with animals with or without the animals consent?It's OK i promise I will not use the information.
@taledarkside You said only Japan and Germany were advanced countries then you change your statement to technological advanced countries" which is a nonsense thing to say. All western style democracies and many countries that are not are technological "advanced . Of cause you can have advanced political systems modern democratic systems are a great advance over the various types of past dictatorships. Honestly, Libertarians thick or what?
@taledarkside Love the idea that Australia is not an advanced country (hope no Aussie reads that) and while I have the greatest respect for the US, Japan and Germany having travelled throughout most of Europe from Finland too Portugal, from Ireland too Turkey not too mention many countries in the Far-east they were all advanced (even North Wales) and many of them more advanced economically and politically than the US. Enough, like the man said you cannot have a discussion with a Libertarian
advanced economically and politically isn't TECHNOLOGY. Japan and Germany are advanced in technology. which is the point of the discussion. You cant have advanced politics.
This isn't a socialized health care problem. This happens in the United States as well. My grandma went to the hospital for a heart problem. She was dropped, and a short time later she died. The difference between the United States and England, in the United States you pay 100's of times more for the poor medical treatment you get.
one hospital. one terrible incident. terrible, but when you look at what happens in america, with thousands going untreated for no reason, other than they cannot afford insurance. my best friend went in for heart treatment in late december, and was out a couple of days later. the system works people!
I live in stafford and was born in the hospital mentioned in the video, It is known nationally as a terrible hospital. But in general the system is great, everyone gets free treatment, and prescriptions are cheap (or free if you're poor), i'm sure bad things happen everywhere in the medical world, the trust that looks after the mentioned video is a worst case scenario in British medical world, don't allow it to tarnish the rest of the great system.
@colour749 america? they Don't have a health care there Only for the elitist the rest can go to..... happens a Lot more often in the USA than over here by a Long way u cannot mix profit n health care if u do health will Always suffer just what they do in the USA Man if i was a millionaire i would still chose the NHS the private BS they have in the USA NHS reflects British ppl us care reflects us ppl simple
i think you miss understood what i meant im pro NHS all the way.
private healthcare covers common things and will avoid trying to pay for that if they can because obviously capitol is more of a concern then actual health whereas in the NHS its the other way round.
id love to see how theyd feel if they had no money or had an incredibly rare illness which there health insurance company had not invested in any treatment for.
@richardIII3 Commercialism and Wallstreet should keep out of it, but they make the money, pay off our congress, Congressmen own stock in it, so they shake the deals with each other.
@ANTM55 The elderly qualify for Medicare, ANT. It's the focus of people who shove them in nursing homes that are understaffed, or ignore their neighbors who are alone that is the trouble. But France does that too.
The National Health Service pays out in claims each year slightly more than £800,000 across the entire system according to the annual report for 2008/09 of the National Health Service Litigation Authority - I bet no American media source quoted that figure.
@TeamBrianGB Well that would be easy if we only had your population, but ours is over 300 million. And we have a pie in the sky attitude in this country that people want it all, even if it means others have nothing. Laws are made to ensure this making it impossible to reach to others even if we have to severely ration. It ties our hands terribly. the lobbyists all have Capitol hill in thier pockets, both democrats and Republicans. Look up how many congress own AIG stock and who.
@Q3ToPBuZz Only if they could sue and become rich overnight like some Americans do. Oh, but the Appeal to the Emotions fallacy argument is that people aught to be reconciliated for pain and suffering to the point of multi millions in the pockets of lawyers and causing doctors to practice defensive med. to equal approx 10% of our healthcare cost according to AMA.
I think the US could also start looking at Britain's non-corporate financed and unbiased news coverage by the BBC never mind looking at Britain's NHS!
The real problem with the NHS is the bureaucracy and wastefulness of it, hundreds of thousands of people earn their living doing jobs for the NHS that don't need to be done. Their protected not by the unions, mostly, but by some kind of inborn suspicion we have, as a nation, of any cuts to our healthcare budget.
Hopefully the Tories will weed out the bureaucrats.
I hate to burst your bubble but the NHS compares quite well with many countries, for 2004-5 (most recetn I can find) administration accoutned for 4.9% of the total budget, not as low as Japan (2.9%) or Australia(3%), but better than France (7.5%) and the worst of the lot the US (7.6%), which really is quite a horrific figure when you consider how much they spend overall.
@somename99 US does indeed put too much into hiring business CEO's and lawyers to run healthcare, and they know nothing about actually applying that care, so it's all figures and politics to them and they demand atrocious 6 figure salaries. Throw the bums out!
Yeah, that's right base a whole nation's health care system on a single hospital. Good job CBS.
Because you know the United State is so much better, only 47 million people don't have health insurance. Where as in Britain well everyone has health care.
The American health care payee system is a complete mess, money grubbing large insurance for one thing - profit!. Not until america can see that wellness is a right for all people and not a priveledge for just a few, will they begin to make affordable health care in this country, that will treat people regardless of their vocational circumstances, and socio - economic status! : an American citizen.
You can find many similar cases in America as well as hospitals with poor standards. It's ridiculous to base this entire story on one hospital and a few people. No health care system is perfect, someone will always fall through the cracks. Single Payer is the best way to go.
How can you even begin to base the credibility of an entire health care system on one single hospital? This is rare case, its a minority when compared to all the other hospitals in the UK. This is the media fear mongering once more, American news is the worst for this type of scare tactics.
NHS - everyone is covered, treatment times are grossly exagerated. I can see a GP within 24hours or if its urgent I can be seen withing an hour regardless of how much I earn.
I'm no expert on the American system but if you can't get insurance for someone isn't it normally because they're unhealthy? In the same way you can't get car insurance, at least not without a big premium, if you have had 10 accidents?
@theporksicle NO, it's also because someone might make a little over minimum wage and work for small business that can't afford to pay for it for them. So they shop and they live paycheck to paycheck, pay $500 or more for childcare, %-600 for food, 6-700- or more for housing, then electricity, water, car 350, insurance for care 70-140, and school in some states 300 and after all is said and done, you're broke. No subsidies allowed. What they going to buy insurance with?
@theporksicle Remember Marx's comment about why proletariats don't mind being slaves? They had nothing to begin with and everything to gain.
If you offered to steal from the rich to give to the poor, and someone was like Judas Iscariot with the money bag in hand whispering how sad that there are poor and someone got angry enough thinking someone rich was an enemy, well it doesn't take long to rile people up to just vote to steal from the rich...the old Robin Hood. Cept its' their money.
@sheepy4000 You all have prioritized to address having primary care physicians and address preventive care too, which makes it more available to you. I had a govt option and waited 3 years here in US to find a doc who accepted it. They don't pay out enough.
Charge $50: Allowable amount: 0
Charge $235 ; Allowable amount $16
Cost: way more than that.
We're all messed up here. we push for high priced tech specialized care then defensive med. cost 10% of our healthcare to include suits.
And the CBS report fails to mention that the NHS is overwhelmingly popular in the UK, yet half the cost of the US healthcare.
So a bored CBS reporter has nothing to put on his show, so trawls the UK papers for NHS horror stories - and finds on - then portrays them as being typical of the NHS as a whole. Same old story.
Whenever anyone wants others to do their work they call upon their Altruism. "Never mind your own needs," they say, "Think of the needs of... of whoever. Of the state. Of the poor. Of the Army, of the King. Of God." The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words "Think of yourself?" It's the king and country crowd who light the torch of destruction.
So wanting comprehensive, affordable and reliable health coverage to be available to you no matter what, with the ability to survive a medical emergency without needing to declare bankruptcy, that's ignoring your own needs is it?
But hey, some other people may find themselves in a better position too, and we can't have THAT now can we.
"...as many as 400 people died needlessly here, the hospital was severely understaffed and the machinery outdated..." Oh, so like American hospitals, awesome. This isn't even a valid argument. People are going to die needlessly, it's called malpractice, we have it here in the US today, with our healthcare that some people would argue is more free than theirs. Of course they go out and find some pissy middle aged woman to bitch about her mother dying, that isn't a flaw with their healthcare.
That's one hospital. The NHS is fucking brilliant.
maartenMLMS 3 months ago
The Swiss health care system puts the NHS to shame. It has the quality and choice of the American system with the universal coverage and reduced cost of single payer systems. It's the best of both worlds.
lilyiscute1 5 months ago
come on CBS, i bet you were paid by an american healthcare company to do this. such bias! just say the entire british healthcare system is corrupt based on 1 hospital. great....
WhiteElvenDragon 5 months ago
Why do liberals think that the government, which is incompetent with our money in wars and other circumstances, is gonna do a great job with healthcare? I guess you guys don't realize the reason for the high cost of medical care now is because people use insurance for everything. It was originally intended for emergencies like heart attacks, but now people want it for flu shots! It'll only get more expensive with nationalized healthcare.
xtremejohnny69 6 months ago
@xtremejohnny69
well and how's that works in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY?
MaximilianHorizon 5 months ago
@MaximilianHorizon It doesn't work in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY. It works in countries with large amounts of money to pad the deficiencies in the system and say its good.
armeg35 4 months ago
@armeg35 have you ever been in europe? -.-
really... 50 millions people never seen a doctor in the usa... you are 300 millions people in usa.
we pay more taxes? yes we do, but what the money are there for if not for our heath system?!?!?
MaximilianHorizon 4 months ago
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armeg35 4 months ago
@MaximilianHorizon I never said anything about taxes bro. The original poster isn't me. Unlike you guys though, I like to keep my money. Anyways, the problem about national healthcare systems that I have brought up already is that they go into debt extremely fast. Look at the UK's national system it has a defecit of 7 billion euros. What I'm saying is the reason this system works in Europe is because you guys have (not really, but neither do we) money to give the system when it goes into debt
armeg35 4 months ago
@armeg35
"they go into debt extremely fast."
false, for each person we spend half and we cover 100% of the population.
and btw there are still private healthcare if you wanna pay to give something more or different.
our LAWS says that they MUST use the best healthsystem avaible,
the politicians can cut social services(like they can cut police or fireman),
but they must always be able to treat anyone(otherwise the judge will sue the state)
MaximilianHorizon 4 months ago
@MaximilianHorizon Your national health service has been running in the red since 2005, and hasn't shown any sign of getting better. The problem with the idea that "there are still private healthcare if you wanna pay to give something more or different." is that you are already being forced to pay for the NHS through your taxes. This is involuntarily forcing people to purchase a service.
armeg35 4 months ago
@armeg35
from 2005 we still have EVERY SINGLE citizen to be able to receive the healthcare that he need.
NO EXCEPTION.
it's still cost half of usa system and still cover 100% of the population.
MaximilianHorizon 4 months ago
@MaximilianHorizon That doesn't change the fact that the system is in debt, and that you are forcing people who possibly may not want the service to pay for it. Personally I would rather have the option to pay into what ever health insurance I want, vs being forced to pay into a government run, inefficient system.
armeg35 4 months ago
@armeg35
"you are forcing people who possibly may not want the service to pay for it"
sorry if we dont wanna people die on the streets only cause they dont have some piece of paper.
MaximilianHorizon 4 months ago
@armeg35 The NHS is underfunded, but the system is still more efficient because no money needs to be paid to share holders. It is also completely in the interest of human well being and not money making.
maartenMLMS 3 months ago
A problem but nothing like not getting ANY health care at all, we have it so good that people take the nhs for granted, ANY world class health care is better than none
dodudumdumdum 7 months ago
I don't see how being goverment run can mean a lack of quality? yes, it may mean a lack of equipment/service in some areas due to funding but not quality or care. Just look at British Universities and Medical schools - the best in the world. Also, a lot of American doctors go into their field for the money and status - you don't get that over here.
xAzZa1 8 months ago
@xAzZa1
after 20 years, you start making money by being a doctor. very long term investment.
it depends on the government , which relates to the quality of care. Third world countries that have government healthcare. will it be up to par with europe?
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside Quality in terms of medical training? The government doesn't own Universities/Medical Schools - they're the ones who train the doctors to do their job.
xAzZa1 8 months ago
There's a difference between healthcare system and the healthcare facilities. the system is good. sadly the facility was not run properly. it is a management problem in that facility, not the problem of the system.
TheZachary86 9 months ago 8
@TheZachary86 This does not make sense. Running the facility is part of the management. Let's cut the crap.
ttiiyy 7 months ago
@ttiiyy Yes, i said it was a management problem in that facility. Heathcare system is the organization of people, institutions, and resources to deliver health care services to meet the health needs of target populations. you cant blame the entire system just because of one bad apple. And by the way, its funny how you replied to my comment 9 hours ago and yet your account is now non-existent.
TheZachary86 7 months ago
@TheZachary86
1.) The healthcare facilities are part of the healthcare system. There's no difference between them. And I'm not trying to defame the whole system b/c of a few bad apples. I just thought your original statement was ridiculous. The healthcare facilities are PART of the healthcare system.
2.) My account is not non-existent. I set it up that way just so no assholes would leave rude comments on my account.
ttiiyy 7 months ago
@ttiiyy im sorry i believe system and management are separate. The word 'system' im referring can be compared to socialism or capitalism. Different modes of organizing a country's resources. Because, regardless of whatever system you have right now, if you have stupid people running them, you'd still get horrible results (like congress). thats what im trying to point out. Because i don't want people to base their opinions of British healthcare on this one sided report.
TheZachary86 7 months ago
@TheZachary86 Can I be honest with you? You worry too much. As an American, I don't believe that the British system is bad. However, I do believe that if there's a problem, it must be addressed. Nothing more, nothing less. You should not have to care about what other people think anyway. All non-British assholes that do bash the British system most likely have no access to the British system anyway. They will never be able to use it. So who cares about what they think? Just relax.
ttiiyy 7 months ago
@ttiiyy Looking back its probably the first sentence in my original statement that caused a lot of confusion. could've improved on it but i let it be, as long as i got the message across. should've used the word management instead of facilities. i hope you get what i was trying to say now. And i'm not worried about what people think. just aggravated. That's me.
TheZachary86 7 months ago
@TheZachary86 Got it.
ttiiyy 7 months ago
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The fact of the matter is that there is no argument AGAINST a National Health Service.
It's all centered around criticising the service provided AFTER a service is established, eg waiting times, quality of care.
This is not an argument -- better to have a service than none at all!
BasilFawlty4444 10 months ago
I actually live in stafford and my granddad is currently in hospital and is receiving fabulous care from staffordshire hospital, but people do die.
I've had a knee operation, helped me with broken bones, big cuts, eye injuries, removed my tonsils and had numerous xrays there and no complaints.
crosbyj25 10 months ago
If you actually look at this, it's criticising foundation trusts and staff incompetency in an isolated case, and the Brits do not for once say that they wish for the NHS to be eroded. It's all US scaremongering spin. If you had ever lived a day never worrying about access to healthcare for you or your family, then you'd realise what Obama's doing is revolutionary and will improve the live s of millions of americans. Hands off the NHS motherfuckers & wake up to reality.
theessenceable 11 months ago 10
wow she died at 86 years old
that must have been so sudden and unexpected
Mangosuxcok 1 year ago
As a Brit I can say this is fairly accurately. We Brits get very self-righteous about the NHS because it is such an honourable goal (i.e. not to have people die without care). However we have LONG crawled up our own arses over this one. We now neglect to think how best healthcare could be provisioned in a way that gives patients proper choice. My great-aunt died at another hospital after ABYSMAL care and attention. We need to have a system of opt-out.
Maino88 1 year ago
What a terrible hatchet job, we have natural gripes but none of us would give it up.
jazz4 1 year ago
Normal british health care. Poor economy, no mony and rural land. Let there people die with no care, with there commenwealth paid by americans! hahahaah
pijef 1 year ago
NHS isnt perfect. But how crazy must you be to think that the American system of BS insurance, and the VERY occasional throw a poor guy a bone and give him some care is better. Yeah A/E is usually full of junkies and drunken men that got glassed or stabbed, and you have to wait several hours. And some of our nurses are lazey and uncaring and are more concerned with the x factor. And yes our system is taken advantage of. But its better than nothing. And private care exists if you want it.
parrotcar 1 year ago
Please note this video is unrepresentative of the majority of UK hospitals; this scandal was HUGE news here in the UK, why? because news is anything unusual, and this is absolutely not what most hospitals in hospitals are like.
As an example, I broke my leg requiring surgery to insert a pin; I arrived at hospital late evening, and the surgery was performed first thing the next morning. I then had it out: the initial offered date was when I was unavailable; they simply moved it to a later date.
Godwivacamera 1 year ago
What a load of twaddle. If anything that particular hospital failed because as a Foundation Trust it was given more independence not because of centralised targets. My Grandmother went in to another hospital complaining of a pain in her stomach, within 3 days she had seen a specialist, had an operation and was back on her feet ready to go home. My Grandfather requires over a dozen different medicines a day and my father two medicines, all for no charge. All this for half the per-capita cost
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90
of the U.S.A.
mgore90 1 year ago
This doesn't prove we have a shit health care sytem, it just proves one of our hospitals was shit.
batmanofni 1 year ago
The problems with the NHS is that its an overly Centralized Government Monopoly that has the responsibility of providing Health Care and Insurance to over 60M brits. In America we have choice and competition and we decide for ourselves where we get our Health Care and who we pay for it.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES
It isn't the government that chooses. It works like this: You go to see your G.P. (family doctor) who you can choose your self, they are not assigned to you at birth or anything stupid like that, if you don't like your G.P. you can change to a different one. This G.P. then makes a decision based on medical knowledge not profit as to which hospital is best for your condition, you are then asked would you rather go to said hospital or your local hospital.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90
In Britain perhaps the Government chooses who your doctor is. But in America we make those decisions. With all the faults of our Health Care system we make those decision for ourselves as americans.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES Well, you can decide IF you have the money to do any decision making, come that ugly day. That wouldn't be so bad if there were an affordable option to buy insurance covering at least those events and accidents that will otherwise leave you bankrupt. Unfortunately, it seems that exactly those kind of events ar hardest to really get insurance for at affordable rates.
endorf 1 year ago
@endorf
Well apparently brits have decided that they want Freedom of Choice in where they get they're Health Care and Insurance. Because Private Health Care and Insurance is now available in Britain.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
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@FRSFreeStateES Well, you can decide, but only IF you have the money to do any decision making, come that ugly day. That wouldn't be so bad if there were an affordable option to buy insurance covering at least those events and accidents that will otherwise leave you bankrupt. Unfortunately, it seems that exactly those kind of events ar hardest to really get insurance for at affordable rates.
endorf 1 year ago
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@FRSFreeStateES Well, you can decide, but only IF you have the money to do any decision making, come that ugly day. That wouldn't be so bad if there were an affordable option to buy insurance covering at least those events and accidents that will otherwise leave you bankrupt. Unfortunately, it seems that exactly those kind of events are hardest to really get insurance for at affordable rates.
endorf 1 year ago
@mgore90
But the Family Doctor works for the UK Government. Brits have apparently decided that they want Freedom of Choice in they're Health Care and Insurance. Because Private Health Care Insurance are now available in Britain.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
@FRSFreeStateES
Private health insurance never went away, I fully support having both public and private healthcare running parallel to each other, keeps both on their toes and competitive, it prevents either from becoming complacent.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90
All right I'm talking to someone with some common sense here finally instead of an Ideological Socialist.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
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This greatly highlights the difference in media reporting (in the UK and USA) between the NHS and USA hospitals. When it goes wrong in the NHS the system is blamed. In the USA the hospital is (rightly) blamed. Poor care occurs in hospitals world over, just look healthcare suits in America for poor practice. Although this puts the NHS in bad light, it's good that the NHS is reported on as a whole organisation as all NHS hospitals will be prompted to review their guidelines/systems.
zchae81 1 year ago
This greatly highlights the difference in media reporting (in the UK and USA) between the NHS and USA hospitals. When it goes wrong in the NHS the system is blamed. In the USA the hospital is (rightly) blamed. Poor care occurs in hospitals world over, just look healthcare suits in America for poor practice. Although this puts the NHS in bad light, it's good that the NHS is reported on as a whole organisation as all NHS hospitals will be prompted to review their guidelines/systems.
zchae81 1 year ago
People who support the NHS assume that the US system is the only alternative. The US system is plagued with Government regulations which puch costs up and limit the number of doctors, hospitals and level of care available.
Privatising the NHS would make the situation much better - just not the American style of 'regulation'.
More on this here: /watch?v=-v66o_X8F4I
LibertyDownUnder 1 year ago
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in 2002 estimated that 18,000 Americans died in 2000 because they were uninsured. Since then, the number of uninsured has grown. 137,000 people died from 2000 through 2006 because they lacked health insurance, including 22,000 people in 2006." With all that some in the US still think they have the best health care system in the world. Please see "“the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” for some unbiased truths.
davijeph 1 year ago
Treated like cattle
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
Or rather, the "system is terminally ill" in the local Stafford county council. Got to love those sweeping generalisations.
matthemod 1 year ago
The System is fine.
Who the fuck would go to Stafford xD I'm sorry but a run down place like stafford.. you can't really expect to get the best treatment be it medical or anything else.
Truth is the majority of NHS hospitals are running smooth. Certainly all the big city hospitals are top notch. But the media only ever reports on the downside because thats all the public really wants to hear.
Unit06JAW 1 year ago
Does anyone know the number of americans dying couse of not getting treatment at all?
pepparn123 1 year ago
@pepparn123
you mean all of our invading mexicans? who gives a shit.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 Actually the invading illegal mexicans get free premium health care, that's one of the reason why our system is broke.
astrolifter 1 year ago
@astrolifter
i know. i was responding to an uninformed idiot who thinks we don't pay for these peoples health care costs.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@pepparn123Taken "Urban Institute" "in 2002, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) estimated that 18,000 Americans died in 2000 because they were uninsured. Since then, the number of uninsured has grown. Based on the IOM's methodology and subsequent Census Bureau estimates of insurance coverage, 137,000 people died from 2000 through 2006 because they lacked health insurance, including 22,000 people in 2006."
davijeph 1 year ago
This does not even compare to the tens of thousands of people killed by insurance companys in the US.
genYprogressive 1 year ago
Every Australian knows that when you go on a Working Holiday for a year or two to the UK, you do NOT go to the dentist in the UK as it's on the public NHS sysem and is total garbage. Every Australian in the know waits until they are back home with private, well trained dentists who won't pull out your teeth for no reason.
Siegetower 1 year ago
@Siegetower So why should you most welcome working tourist in the UK not use the many top quality private dentist that are available in the UK?
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph The currency exchange rates are terrible from our perspective. If it can wait, it can wait.
Siegetower 1 year ago
@Siegetower i had a dentist who used to do that, now they will try their absolute hardest to not pull teeth out. beats the door string slamming treatment
scottishlowoflow 1 year ago
@Siegetower full of shit
codownni 1 year ago
@codownni Full of shit because.....?
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Sarcasm alert. I LOVE how people communicate with strangers on youtube. First thing you ever say to someone is to swear at them. Try surviving 5 minutes like that in the real world, in any country on Earth.
Siegetower 1 year ago
Google: Axe falls on NHS services (telegraph.co.uk)
Google: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care (ncpa.org/pub/ba649)
The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Sir Winston Churchill
Alienami 1 year ago
Wow I forgot how bad American news is! Amazing, a bad hospital... guess what there are some bad free market hospital in the states That's why the United Kingdom is ranked 17 while the U.S. is ranked 37.... pathetic... 37... really 37? Really!
zenmart 1 year ago
I'm glad that to get a good balanced view on the downsides of the Nhs, they went to so many of the >1000 hospitals and clinics in the Uk, oh wait.
How can anyone base an entire system on 1 hospital? Yes this hopsital is clearly failing and yes it need radical reforms as may some others, however the fact of the matter is these are the minority.
What Americans seem to forget is that we don't only have the Nhs here, If we don't like it we have bupa! Obama doesnt want to clone the Nhs anyway.
adamsimpkin 1 year ago
American news is such bullshit, no wonder Yanks are so stupid, they base they're views on other countries on this corporate news bollocks,CBS,FOX,CNN, all shit
bigchiefmingingbolok 1 year ago 2
@bigchiefmingingbolok
yes man you are damn right
crazyfabio1 1 year ago
This is ridiculous. Yes, these incidences happen, BUT GUESS WHAT, IT HAPPENS IN AMERICA. Why do you think American doctors pay so much malpractice insurance? It happens more in America!
NISHOYINGWENMA 1 year ago
THE DOWNSIDE OF AMERICAN HEALTHCARE 18,000 PEOPLE DIEING A YEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING REFUSED TREATMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY!!!
colour749 1 year ago
i love america but i dont wanna pay 68000 dollars for some bullshit tests and treatments when i have a broken leg, so i think imma move to france... should i?
AlexNecrofeliac 1 year ago
@AlexNecrofeliac
just go on holiday complain about it then and get the free treatment its cheaper
colour749 1 year ago
The labour government political NHS targets is what helped fuck up half the NHS at least The conservatives want to increase funding and abolish half of these unneeded targets for the better
ProConservativeUK 1 year ago
@ProConservativeUK
what party was playing the same cards as the republicans in the USA in 1948 and said everything to try to stop the NHS and continue suffering for the poor and gain for the rich.
hmmm they said it was communist and would end with a threat to britain far greater then hitler.
what party created the NHS?
colour749 1 year ago
@ProConservativeUK Well I suppose we will see in the coming years whether the NHS flourishes under Cameron won't we?
NISHOYINGWENMA 1 year ago
This hospital trust got to this state due ti the management seeking"foundation trust" stutus with FEWER government controls. This was not in the patients' best interest.
It was NHS comparative statistics that led to this hospital trust failings being investigated.
All hospitals should be monitored in this way to help identify best practices AND find failing hospitals.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
If you read the official report it says that "it would be wrong to try to put a figure on the mumber of deaths" but that's what this journalist did.. Its dishonest.
Would you say the Apollo space program was a failure because of the human error that led to the explosion on Apollo 13?
You cannot judge an entire system by looking at a failing in one small part of it.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
Sadly this is the inevitable result of government control.
moneybagzz 1 year ago
@moneybagzz
haha come to the UK and see for yourself aha these are isolated incidents and these people sued CBS for saying they were anti NHS. i have been to hospitals here many times and they are clean, modern, and with fast service.
dont think that stuff like this doesn't happen in america because it does the difference is the companies pay people to keep quiet but in the UK we say it should be known so that we can improve.
the american system is the worst in the world if you think
colour749 1 year ago
There's one part about this that's spot-on:
"The hospital became obsessed with treating as many patients as possible, to meet government targets."
Look up the BBC film: "The Trap: What Happened to our Dreams of Freedom" which covers this. It's an idea, started by Thatcher then continued by Major and Blair, that tried to bring the free market into public services.
The problems with the NHS are mostly due to its part-privatisation and these stupid targets.
jeevesbond 1 year ago
Shite, cut and edited, sensationalist, US journalism.
MrDragon1968 1 year ago 2
this is ridiculous. This has absolutely nothing to do with national healthcare.
triangl 1 year ago
Stafford is THE worst hospital in Britain granted ( i was born there LMAO) but americans focus in shick stories, this has happened under the US system, it is inevitable that resources will be stretched, but just ask people in Britain, it is a GOOD thing
JA92LZ 1 year ago
ok i agree the NHS is Not perfect but in General the NHS is Very good n i was infected with MRSA in an NHS hospital "north mid" But we have many many wonderful hospitals in the UK some i believe are as good as any on earth n the staff in general are exceptionally good n helpful i'll give the NHS at least 90% maybe they deserve even More Far better than Most
polygamous1 1 year ago
i have never seen such a miss representation of an institution in my life. lets see some statistics. and i thaught the UK media was poor, i cant believe people trust these permatan morons.
rickwoodall 1 year ago 17
@rickwoodall funny that when ever people say something that others disagree with they are the stupid ones. When Americans talk about others health care systems in a bad light then they MUST BE STUPID because the NHS is perfect and of course Americans are dumb GTFO you brainwashed troll.
cwood4ever 1 year ago
That's my grandma's hospital! I went there when I broke my arm when I was 8.
I think it's terrible what happened there, my grandfather, who is 83, had to go there last year and was neglected in a similar way.
However neither me or my grandparents would ever want the NHS privatised.
The Americans seem to think that the because we complain about are system, we think that theirs is better, which isn't true.
multicolouredcrayon 1 year ago 36
@multicolouredcrayon It's true a lot of people in Britain who criticise the NHS want to improve it not get rid of it.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@multicolouredcrayon The US health care model is FARRRRRRRRRRRR BETTER. No waiting lines, not expensive as you may think and of course the best doctors in the world bar none
cwood4ever 8 months ago
@cwood4ever If true then please explain why the US system is rated only 37th in health care, costs twice that of other advanced nation nations. Allows one citizen to die every 12 seconds because they lack insurance. Explain why 60% of all bankruptcies in the US are connected to healthcare why are people refused insurance because of pre-conditions. Quality healthcare with unlimited benefits costs a fortune beyond the limits of millions and they still pay taxes for medicaid , etc.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
I don't see them denying healthcare to illegal mexicans. Or anyone at county hospitals. where do you get your information? alex jones?
advanced nations? so you talking about Japan or Germany? two countries that are actually advanced.
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside (Reuters) - "Nearly 45,000 people die in the US every year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and cannot get good care" Reports Harvard Medical School. " two out of three bankruptcies stem from medical bills, and even people with health insurance face financial disaster if they experience a serious illness, a new study shows." New York Times. Wednesday, June 22, 2011. Who is Alex Jones? Regards
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
yup, god wants people to die.
so what does that have to do with illegal mexicans not being turned away, or anyone that goes toa county hospital?
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside You asked me "where do you get your information?" I gave you an answer. Regards
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
And i didn't ask for an entire quotation. and for you to answer my other questions
taledarkside 8 months ago
@davijeph
that article is from 2009. and it isn't even acurate. Lol, everyone has diabetes and neurological problems.
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside The articles are taken from two of your top academically elite institutions I doubt they are not accurate. Regarding illegal immigrants taking advantage of medical care is a problem for all advanced countries certainly in Europe, Australia and not just the US in normal circumstances abuse should not be allowed. However if the illegal are employed simply to undercut the pay rates within the US then those employing the illegal should be punished and made to pay any costs involved.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
maybe you should look a 8 sources before you draw a conclusion. You already made an assumption that article was written today. Shows you can't read and it was from 2009. Australia isn't an advance country. Germany and Japan are the only ones.
Illegal imigrants getting free healthcare proves your assumptions of american healthcare as being incorrect. Just because you believe everything you read on the internet, without further research.
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside I assume if the information given agreed with your point of view you would happily except it on the spot. I said in my comments that illegal immigrants should not be entitled to free health care. I assume the reason you have so many illegal Mexican is the same reason Europe have so many illegal immigrants they are all desperate to find a better life. The answer to the problem is the same, fine anyone that employs illegals especially if they are paying less than the legal wage.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
looks like you are avoiding the question. giving mexicans jobs isn't the question. You claim no one gets healthcare. Illegal immigrants get free healthcare.
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside The quote from the Harvard Medical School stated " Nearly 45,000 people die in the US every year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and cannot get good care" had nothing to do with Mexican immigrants. You asked a question regards health care for illegal immigrants I gave you my view.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
thats a quote from a quote.
So why are illegal mexicans not turned away from medical care? thats the question I asked and you never answered. You changed the subject into the polictics of illegals which i don't care for in this video discussion
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside I assumed that being a basically civilised country your Drs do not turn away sick people who need help. I also assume that illegals sick or not are nonetheless returned to their country of origin asap. The words advance or advanced can be attached to many things not just technological. Please see "AMERICAN MAN RAPED A STRAY DOG!! " but what the hell raping dogs have got to do with technical development beats me. It was your stupid first comment started this conversation not me.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
and there you go. doctors don't turn away sick people who need help. And your quoting some article with no research, claiming people die because they don't have healthcare.
its against the law in the US to have sex with a dog. but there are advanced countries (as you call it) that still allow animal sex
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside Then I was right to assume Drs don't turn away sick people who need help. Its you that keeps prattling on about Mexicans getting healthcare. I quoting from a research paper produced by one of the worlds leading academic medical research centres Harvard Medical School and you don't get much better than that. Name me a country where it is legal too have sex with animals with or without the animals consent?It's OK i promise I will not use the information.
davijeph 8 months ago
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@davijeph
"Then I was right to assume Drs don't turn away sick people who need help"
so you flipping your statement around. first you said they did, not they don't.
what does animal sex have to do with healthcare?
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside You said only Japan and Germany were advanced countries then you change your statement to technological advanced countries" which is a nonsense thing to say. All western style democracies and many countries that are not are technological "advanced . Of cause you can have advanced political systems modern democratic systems are a great advance over the various types of past dictatorships. Honestly, Libertarians thick or what?
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
because there is no such thing as an "advanced" goverment. because i had to explain to you advance means technology.
Japan still rapes dogs for fun, but they are advanced in technology.
taledarkside 8 months ago
@taledarkside Love the idea that Australia is not an advanced country (hope no Aussie reads that) and while I have the greatest respect for the US, Japan and Germany having travelled throughout most of Europe from Finland too Portugal, from Ireland too Turkey not too mention many countries in the Far-east they were all advanced (even North Wales) and many of them more advanced economically and politically than the US. Enough, like the man said you cannot have a discussion with a Libertarian
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph
advanced economically and politically isn't TECHNOLOGY. Japan and Germany are advanced in technology. which is the point of the discussion. You cant have advanced politics.
taledarkside 8 months ago
good video
mikeandlaurie1979 1 year ago
This isn't a socialized health care problem. This happens in the United States as well. My grandma went to the hospital for a heart problem. She was dropped, and a short time later she died. The difference between the United States and England, in the United States you pay 100's of times more for the poor medical treatment you get.
live777evil666 1 year ago 3
@live777evil666
and then you get payed not to say anything in the usa because it might effect that insurance companies " Capitol Gain "
whereas the nhs encourage complaints to make the system better because they have nothing to lose because its owned by everyone.
the capitalists in america who hate healthcare reform only hate it because the RICH cant invest and the POOR get it for free.
whereas in the
colour749 1 year ago
one hospital. one terrible incident. terrible, but when you look at what happens in america, with thousands going untreated for no reason, other than they cannot afford insurance. my best friend went in for heart treatment in late december, and was out a couple of days later. the system works people!
MrChesterarthur 1 year ago
I live in stafford and was born in the hospital mentioned in the video, It is known nationally as a terrible hospital. But in general the system is great, everyone gets free treatment, and prescriptions are cheap (or free if you're poor), i'm sure bad things happen everywhere in the medical world, the trust that looks after the mentioned video is a worst case scenario in British medical world, don't allow it to tarnish the rest of the great system.
captainfantastard 1 year ago
lol I live in Rugeley which is a town just south of Stafford.
Stafford is in a terrible state due to corrupt management. My mum works there as a midwife, though that section is ok.
However using this one failing hospital as an example of the entire British healthcare is naive, foolish and dangerous.
Andyp12 1 year ago
Thats just horrible for that to happen. I would sue the hospital or British government.
megaman4life 2 years ago
thats going to help it get better.
this shit happens in america aswell
colour749 1 year ago 2
@colour749 america? they Don't have a health care there Only for the elitist the rest can go to..... happens a Lot more often in the USA than over here by a Long way u cannot mix profit n health care if u do health will Always suffer just what they do in the USA Man if i was a millionaire i would still chose the NHS the private BS they have in the USA NHS reflects British ppl us care reflects us ppl simple
polygamous1 1 year ago
@polygamous1
i think you miss understood what i meant im pro NHS all the way.
private healthcare covers common things and will avoid trying to pay for that if they can because obviously capitol is more of a concern then actual health whereas in the NHS its the other way round.
id love to see how theyd feel if they had no money or had an incredibly rare illness which there health insurance company had not invested in any treatment for.
colour749 1 year ago
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Q3ToPBuZz 2 years ago
LOL....dumb ass brittish people.
TheSnoody 2 years ago
That's a really intelligent comment, well done.
Q3ToPBuZz 2 years ago
The problem with this hospital is not that it's fully public but that it's semi-private.
You can see the posters are against foundation trusts, not against the NHS
Foundation Trust offer poorer treatment because they put profit before the patient. The free market should be kept out of the health system.
richardIII3 2 years ago
@richardIII3 Commercialism and Wallstreet should keep out of it, but they make the money, pay off our congress, Congressmen own stock in it, so they shake the deals with each other.
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
How much did they pay this bitch to say this? The NHS is health care NOT the fountain of youth. How can you be shocked that an old sick woman died?
I love how this is compared to the thousands and thouands of old people who die slowly in the US because they have NO healthcare at all.
ANTM55 2 years ago
@ANTM55 The elderly qualify for Medicare, ANT. It's the focus of people who shove them in nursing homes that are understaffed, or ignore their neighbors who are alone that is the trouble. But France does that too.
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
The National Health Service pays out in claims each year slightly more than £800,000 across the entire system according to the annual report for 2008/09 of the National Health Service Litigation Authority - I bet no American media source quoted that figure.
TeamBrianGB 2 years ago
@TeamBrianGB Well that would be easy if we only had your population, but ours is over 300 million. And we have a pie in the sky attitude in this country that people want it all, even if it means others have nothing. Laws are made to ensure this making it impossible to reach to others even if we have to severely ration. It ties our hands terribly. the lobbyists all have Capitol hill in thier pockets, both democrats and Republicans. Look up how many congress own AIG stock and who.
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
@TeamBrianGB Their, not thier, sorry. typo ;-)
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
How many law suits are taken against US hospitals every year?
Ask the British polulation if they would swap our system for the American system.
Q3ToPBuZz 2 years ago 3
@Q3ToPBuZz Only if they could sue and become rich overnight like some Americans do. Oh, but the Appeal to the Emotions fallacy argument is that people aught to be reconciliated for pain and suffering to the point of multi millions in the pockets of lawyers and causing doctors to practice defensive med. to equal approx 10% of our healthcare cost according to AMA.
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
I think the US could also start looking at Britain's non-corporate financed and unbiased news coverage by the BBC never mind looking at Britain's NHS!
countportfolio 2 years ago
The real problem with the NHS is the bureaucracy and wastefulness of it, hundreds of thousands of people earn their living doing jobs for the NHS that don't need to be done. Their protected not by the unions, mostly, but by some kind of inborn suspicion we have, as a nation, of any cuts to our healthcare budget.
Hopefully the Tories will weed out the bureaucrats.
theporksicle 2 years ago
I hate to burst your bubble but the NHS compares quite well with many countries, for 2004-5 (most recetn I can find) administration accoutned for 4.9% of the total budget, not as low as Japan (2.9%) or Australia(3%), but better than France (7.5%) and the worst of the lot the US (7.6%), which really is quite a horrific figure when you consider how much they spend overall.
somename99 2 years ago
@somename99 US does indeed put too much into hiring business CEO's and lawyers to run healthcare, and they know nothing about actually applying that care, so it's all figures and politics to them and they demand atrocious 6 figure salaries. Throw the bums out!
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
P.s my friend cant get insurance because he has too muscle, therefor he is "overweight"
DENIED!!!
rlbailor 2 years ago
Yeah, that's right base a whole nation's health care system on a single hospital. Good job CBS.
Because you know the United State is so much better, only 47 million people don't have health insurance. Where as in Britain well everyone has health care.
LAWL
rlbailor 2 years ago
The American health care payee system is a complete mess, money grubbing large insurance for one thing - profit!. Not until america can see that wellness is a right for all people and not a priveledge for just a few, will they begin to make affordable health care in this country, that will treat people regardless of their vocational circumstances, and socio - economic status! : an American citizen.
TheMidwestmilitia 2 years ago
/watch?v=IUSdYY243pk&feature=related
simontimon2 2 years ago
You can find many similar cases in America as well as hospitals with poor standards. It's ridiculous to base this entire story on one hospital and a few people. No health care system is perfect, someone will always fall through the cracks. Single Payer is the best way to go.
as26370 2 years ago 3
How can you even begin to base the credibility of an entire health care system on one single hospital? This is rare case, its a minority when compared to all the other hospitals in the UK. This is the media fear mongering once more, American news is the worst for this type of scare tactics.
ruairihair 2 years ago 17
@ruairihair
thank god for the BBC or maybe we would all be getting brainwashed by this commercial corrupt bullshit
colour749 1 year ago
@ruairihair The UK sucks dick these days, that's the true.
astrolifter 1 year ago
NHS - everyone is covered, treatment times are grossly exagerated. I can see a GP within 24hours or if its urgent I can be seen withing an hour regardless of how much I earn.
It's worth it america
sheepy4000 2 years ago 3
@sheepy4000 Really? It takes at least two weeks before I can see a GP for like 5 minutes, within 24 hours if it's urgent
greataff 2 years ago
Yeah really, thats in Hull and Canterbury districts
sheepy4000 2 years ago
Why am I still living in America? My boyfriend and I could do well in Brittian, I can't even get coverage for him here.
Alex J Frémont
greataff 2 years ago
@greataff
I'm no expert on the American system but if you can't get insurance for someone isn't it normally because they're unhealthy? In the same way you can't get car insurance, at least not without a big premium, if you have had 10 accidents?
theporksicle 2 years ago
@theporksicle NO, it's also because someone might make a little over minimum wage and work for small business that can't afford to pay for it for them. So they shop and they live paycheck to paycheck, pay $500 or more for childcare, %-600 for food, 6-700- or more for housing, then electricity, water, car 350, insurance for care 70-140, and school in some states 300 and after all is said and done, you're broke. No subsidies allowed. What they going to buy insurance with?
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
They're not going to buy insurance in that case are they. What do they want, someone to be stolen from so they can have insurance?
theporksicle 2 years ago
@theporksicle Remember Marx's comment about why proletariats don't mind being slaves? They had nothing to begin with and everything to gain.
If you offered to steal from the rich to give to the poor, and someone was like Judas Iscariot with the money bag in hand whispering how sad that there are poor and someone got angry enough thinking someone rich was an enemy, well it doesn't take long to rile people up to just vote to steal from the rich...the old Robin Hood. Cept its' their money.
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
/watch?v=IUSdYY243pk&feature=related
simontimon2 2 years ago
@sheepy4000 You all have prioritized to address having primary care physicians and address preventive care too, which makes it more available to you. I had a govt option and waited 3 years here in US to find a doc who accepted it. They don't pay out enough.
Charge $50: Allowable amount: 0
Charge $235 ; Allowable amount $16
Cost: way more than that.
We're all messed up here. we push for high priced tech specialized care then defensive med. cost 10% of our healthcare to include suits.
NotaBeetleFan 2 years ago
And the CBS report fails to mention that the NHS is overwhelmingly popular in the UK, yet half the cost of the US healthcare.
So a bored CBS reporter has nothing to put on his show, so trawls the UK papers for NHS horror stories - and finds on - then portrays them as being typical of the NHS as a whole. Same old story.
ToothbrushMan 2 years ago 2
Whenever anyone wants others to do their work they call upon their Altruism. "Never mind your own needs," they say, "Think of the needs of... of whoever. Of the state. Of the poor. Of the Army, of the King. Of God." The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words "Think of yourself?" It's the king and country crowd who light the torch of destruction.
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
So wanting comprehensive, affordable and reliable health coverage to be available to you no matter what, with the ability to survive a medical emergency without needing to declare bankruptcy, that's ignoring your own needs is it?
But hey, some other people may find themselves in a better position too, and we can't have THAT now can we.
cactustactics 2 years ago 3
"...as many as 400 people died needlessly here, the hospital was severely understaffed and the machinery outdated..." Oh, so like American hospitals, awesome. This isn't even a valid argument. People are going to die needlessly, it's called malpractice, we have it here in the US today, with our healthcare that some people would argue is more free than theirs. Of course they go out and find some pissy middle aged woman to bitch about her mother dying, that isn't a flaw with their healthcare.