@tgm9991 and of course they kill hundreds of shunting personnel each year (not). The clearances are larger with the continental vehicles and there is usually space to stand between the vehicles in this way.
@simonpilk Of course there's room to stand between them I could fit up a vacuum brake pipe i'm that skinny but the first thing I was told when coupling up was to NEVER go between the vehicles untill they've stopped and after the driver is remended that you're going under. There is no need to stand there at this moment it only takes a couple of seconds climb down and it's banned in the UK which is what I said in my last comment
The US AAR couplers are rated to about 32000 tons of fores and don't require some one to stand in between the moving cars. The European buffet and chain couplers are rated to only 3000 tones and someone is required to stand between the moving cars to put on the chain. The European couplers are more prone to failure than the AAR couplers (Buffer Locking) BOTH systems however, do require someone to stand between the stopped cars to connect the air hoses.
@freeciv1 Not entirely true because some Southern Region stock from before automatic couplers that do all the air and power the connections were at platform height so that they could be coupled from the platform without going near the third rail!!
@infernodood3 Yes, accident is possible. Rules are not the same according to countries. In France it is forbidden to stay between vehicles at this moment.
I posted this thing three years ago, and have been amazed at the variety of responses varying between thoughtful and extremely silly. Keep them cards and letters comin' in you folks out there in the cyber audience.
@NewPumpkin Accidents do happen, but it's really uncommon. A man was killed in Oxelösund here in Sweden, from getting in between the bufferts at the wrong time a few years ago.
he know, that if he doesnt put something between dampers, nothing can happen to him. in the worst situation (the trainset will move, which is actually impossible without pressure made by the loco in the system), he can lay down on the tracks and loco would pass above him...
And why should that be better csxt4685? Because it's american? And do you think that this fails? Let's see, US: 50-60 Coupler breakaches a year EU: 0-1 a year? so whats better? And this a cupling techique that is not done everytime, only on loc change, normale we have an fast connect coupler (one connection and everyting is connect such as: electrics, pneumatics and ofcourse: the mechical force). so is amerika still better?!?
The buffers and chain couplers can only handle trains up to 3000 tons, the american ones trains up to 15.000 tons. And the buffers and chain couplers could only handle a tractive effort of 450kN. But one SD90MAC for example can generate a maximum of 890kN. So you could break theese strange european couplers, even without using full throttle....
I don't know were you found't that, but it not true, the Coupler has 2 specifications, because they are used like 2 ways: Passenger (no room between buffers) and Freight (3 cm/1inch room between the buffers). The passanger wil take more Kn's (Up to 1250Kn), the Freigt will take more tons (up to 20Kt). But Passengertrains Use also the quickconnect coupling, wich can take even more (22Kt and 2000Kn), and it has all included (Electra, Pneumatics, Mechincal) So, still better?
even if what you claim was true, it does not matter, because 1) coupler breaking isnt any life threatening situation (and it does not happen usually, i dont know of any such disaster or whatever)
2) in US, your damn BNSF and such rails have trains longer than lets say 30 or 40 cars (usually around 100), in europe longest freight trains have no more than 40 cars... maybe less
we have everything smaller, weaker... get used to it. (megalomaniac america)
look. europe has got much more longer train tradition than america, these couplings are used as pin and link stopped to be used...
i repeat, couplers in europe have to last much lesser force... we have lighter and shorter trains and weaker locomotives. automatic couplers (like dellner) are used only on units, where there is not necessary to handle any big effort (EMUs, high speed passenger trains)...
Better brush up on your history. Trains came to Europe and America at THE SAME TIME, so Europe cannot have a longer railroading tradition. But while you never progressed beyond manual couplers, we did... more than a century ago. It's no wonder you use such short (meaning inefficient) trains: your couplers (and the people who couple them) can't handle anything longer. It probably takes as long for you to couple a 40-car train as it takes us to couple a 150-car train.
@ccoraxfan I seem to remember reading somewhere that most UK freights are left as sets of about 15-20 wagons so a 40 car train takes 2-3 couplings. I may be wrong with what I have just said.
@DanielW118 How can a train consist of sets of 15-20 cars that don't need to be coupled or uncoupled? Here at least, individual cars go to different places, so they have to be assembled 1 at a time. A train that needs only 2-3 couplings could only be servicing 2-3 customer locations.
@ccoraxfan Alot of freight in this country is coal which goes from the source to the power station in which it is needed or we use the intermodal system.
so then yes, a 3x Dash 9 running up a hill in marias pass would break european coupler (hook and girdle or auto-) but they were not made to handle such effort...
thats like blaiming 0,7 engine from Smart car that it would not move a 30 tonne truck. yes, it would not.
actually, i would rely more on something, that cannot slip out or break apart so easily, than AAR coupler... i think that these autos are more break-prone.
All those who said the autocouplers are better are all wusses, the screw coupling is miles better, proper way of coupling! Also fair play to the shunter for being in the 4 foot whilste the train buffered up, health and safety must love this guy.
Your comment is a good example of why Europe hasn't progressed beyond chains and hooks (and crawling between cars--a good way to lose a limb or one's life) for coupling trains. And so you think this is better? Explain then why your trains are tiny compared with ours? It's the couplers. And because the trains are tiny, they're also much more inefficient for hauling freight.
@ccoraxfan It's better for passenger trains because the buffers cushion the slack so the last car doesn't get the jerk that American trains get. Since their freight trains are shorter than ours there's no need to have a separate coupler system. It works well for their conditions.
@ccoraxfan The Kx coupler is good for 3200 tons if I don't remember it wrong. And you need to read up as well, we have thousands of passenger trains in europe with automatic couplers. Have a look at this swedish train for example: watch?v=VmidVNC8MVM
Close. The buffer and chain coupler is good for 3000 tons. By comparison, the AAR (American) automatic coupler is good for 32000 tons. Ten times the weight means much greater efficiency, something European freight trains have never seen.
I never denied that passenger trains in Europe use automatic couplers. I was talking about European freight trains.
@ccoraxfan Well, at least we power our trains with electricity and not diesel... Am I wrong in suspecting you still have to manually connect the air lines and electrical connections?
Yes, most American trains are diesel. Certain major interests in the petroleum industry and engine manufacturing industry make certain of that. However, many of our urban and inter-urban trains are electric. Many passenger trains have fully automatic couplers which include the air and electrical connections. Freight trains still have a single air brake line which must be manually connected. Most freight trains have no electrical connections except between engines.
Wow. All I can say...wow. The railroad I work for uses automatic couplers, and we're barely even allowed between the cars! Now THIS looks like railroading! My hat's off to the fellow in orange.
For anyone who is starting to volunteer at a heritage railway in the UK this is a demo of a big NO NO!!!
tgm9991 7 months ago
@tgm9991 and of course they kill hundreds of shunting personnel each year (not). The clearances are larger with the continental vehicles and there is usually space to stand between the vehicles in this way.
simonpilk 7 months ago
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tgm9991 7 months ago
@simonpilk Of course there's room to stand between them I could fit up a vacuum brake pipe i'm that skinny but the first thing I was told when coupling up was to NEVER go between the vehicles untill they've stopped and after the driver is remended that you're going under. There is no need to stand there at this moment it only takes a couple of seconds climb down and it's banned in the UK which is what I said in my last comment
tgm9991 7 months ago
European railways, making the health and safety department of the UK shit bricks since 1996
trainlover658 8 months ago
0:18 Lol!!!
LSZocker2009 10 months ago
0:37 he punches his head xD
TheBrentieman 10 months ago
The US AAR couplers are rated to about 32000 tons of fores and don't require some one to stand in between the moving cars. The European buffet and chain couplers are rated to only 3000 tones and someone is required to stand between the moving cars to put on the chain. The European couplers are more prone to failure than the AAR couplers (Buffer Locking) BOTH systems however, do require someone to stand between the stopped cars to connect the air hoses.
freeciv1 1 year ago
@freeciv1 Not entirely true because some Southern Region stock from before automatic couplers that do all the air and power the connections were at platform height so that they could be coupled from the platform without going near the third rail!!
DanielW118 6 months ago
@freeciv1 No one is required to stand between moving cars at all when coupling using buffer and chain couplings.
tgm9991 6 months ago
@NewPumpkin Believe me, there where some accidents ;)
kyatisback12 1 year ago
the sharfenberg couplers just complete the job in one shove right?
even in the US we have to make the air connections by hand
Amtrak1194 1 year ago
Many, he must really trust that train engineer. He actually holds his life at a blip of the throttle.
SaltineCrackaAss 1 year ago
is this quite dangerous? or perhaps thats a stupid question
infernodood3 1 year ago
@infernodood3 Yes, accident is possible. Rules are not the same according to countries. In France it is forbidden to stay between vehicles at this moment.
Nervantoss 1 year ago
I posted this thing three years ago, and have been amazed at the variety of responses varying between thoughtful and extremely silly. Keep them cards and letters comin' in you folks out there in the cyber audience.
trainrider 1 year ago
Two words to all you Americans. (George Stephenson)!!!!!!!!!
Imatt33 1 year ago
@NewPumpkin Accidents do happen, but it's really uncommon. A man was killed in Oxelösund here in Sweden, from getting in between the bufferts at the wrong time a few years ago.
Tjita1 1 year ago
cant beleive there are dicks on here arguing about fucking couplers,
GET A LIFE!!!
formidable38 1 year ago 3
fucking retarded europeans always think they are better then americans
drbackjack 2 years ago
wow, that must be scary for that guy. train comes in to fast, and splat.
Jet3800 2 years ago 9
he know, that if he doesnt put something between dampers, nothing can happen to him. in the worst situation (the trainset will move, which is actually impossible without pressure made by the loco in the system), he can lay down on the tracks and loco would pass above him...
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
that is why dampers are made... and the loco driver knows that somebody is there, i wouldnt risk someones life and jail for 20 years...
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
das een rangeerder
pizzapeperoni1 3 years ago
wow i wouldnt trust that fucken metal hoop over the hook..not even if it was super tight thank god for american couplers
csxt4685 3 years ago
And why should that be better csxt4685? Because it's american? And do you think that this fails? Let's see, US: 50-60 Coupler breakaches a year EU: 0-1 a year? so whats better? And this a cupling techique that is not done everytime, only on loc change, normale we have an fast connect coupler (one connection and everyting is connect such as: electrics, pneumatics and ofcourse: the mechical force). so is amerika still better?!?
DLM4YJP 2 years ago
@DLM4YJP
sure the american coupler is still better.
The buffers and chain couplers can only handle trains up to 3000 tons, the american ones trains up to 15.000 tons. And the buffers and chain couplers could only handle a tractive effort of 450kN. But one SD90MAC for example can generate a maximum of 890kN. So you could break theese strange european couplers, even without using full throttle....
denzzlinga 2 years ago
I don't know were you found't that, but it not true, the Coupler has 2 specifications, because they are used like 2 ways: Passenger (no room between buffers) and Freight (3 cm/1inch room between the buffers). The passanger wil take more Kn's (Up to 1250Kn), the Freigt will take more tons (up to 20Kt). But Passengertrains Use also the quickconnect coupling, wich can take even more (22Kt and 2000Kn), and it has all included (Electra, Pneumatics, Mechincal) So, still better?
DLM4YJP 2 years ago
even if what you claim was true, it does not matter, because 1) coupler breaking isnt any life threatening situation (and it does not happen usually, i dont know of any such disaster or whatever)
2) in US, your damn BNSF and such rails have trains longer than lets say 30 or 40 cars (usually around 100), in europe longest freight trains have no more than 40 cars... maybe less
we have everything smaller, weaker... get used to it. (megalomaniac america)
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
look. europe has got much more longer train tradition than america, these couplings are used as pin and link stopped to be used...
i repeat, couplers in europe have to last much lesser force... we have lighter and shorter trains and weaker locomotives. automatic couplers (like dellner) are used only on units, where there is not necessary to handle any big effort (EMUs, high speed passenger trains)...
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
@Kokosiak1
Better brush up on your history. Trains came to Europe and America at THE SAME TIME, so Europe cannot have a longer railroading tradition. But while you never progressed beyond manual couplers, we did... more than a century ago. It's no wonder you use such short (meaning inefficient) trains: your couplers (and the people who couple them) can't handle anything longer. It probably takes as long for you to couple a 40-car train as it takes us to couple a 150-car train.
ccoraxfan 1 year ago
@ccoraxfan I seem to remember reading somewhere that most UK freights are left as sets of about 15-20 wagons so a 40 car train takes 2-3 couplings. I may be wrong with what I have just said.
DanielW118 5 months ago
@DanielW118 How can a train consist of sets of 15-20 cars that don't need to be coupled or uncoupled? Here at least, individual cars go to different places, so they have to be assembled 1 at a time. A train that needs only 2-3 couplings could only be servicing 2-3 customer locations.
ccoraxfan 4 months ago
@ccoraxfan Alot of freight in this country is coal which goes from the source to the power station in which it is needed or we use the intermodal system.
DanielW118 4 months ago
@ccoraxfan All wagons can be separated though and certain things like FNA wagons are left separate because they may olny be needed one at a time
DanielW118 4 months ago
so then yes, a 3x Dash 9 running up a hill in marias pass would break european coupler (hook and girdle or auto-) but they were not made to handle such effort...
thats like blaiming 0,7 engine from Smart car that it would not move a 30 tonne truck. yes, it would not.
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
@ csxt4685: I know of only 2 failures of these couplers in the Netherlands: we have a very busy railroad-network, so it's very reliable.
weeardguy 2 years ago
and what will happen if the coupler would uncouple? the pipes will break and the emergency brake will be put on...
and i think this system is much less complicated and much more reliable than fucking american or russian or whatever couplers...
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
much more reliable? good joke
drbackjack 2 years ago
actually, i would rely more on something, that cannot slip out or break apart so easily, than AAR coupler... i think that these autos are more break-prone.
Kokosiak1 2 years ago
thats normal here O_O
predatortheme 3 years ago
WTF in belgium this is illegal
mathiaske3 3 years ago
in Spain, often do this couples...
jeicobsi 3 years ago
wow! looks crazy to me!!
cuzinitr 4 years ago
Your stood between a moving loco buffer beam and a rubbing place - DO YOU WANT TO GET CRUSHED TO DEATH???
You would get fired for this in the UK provided you lived and FUCKING RIGHTLY SO!!
60037 4 years ago
All those who said the autocouplers are better are all wusses, the screw coupling is miles better, proper way of coupling! Also fair play to the shunter for being in the 4 foot whilste the train buffered up, health and safety must love this guy.
9141521006 4 years ago
@9141521006
Your comment is a good example of why Europe hasn't progressed beyond chains and hooks (and crawling between cars--a good way to lose a limb or one's life) for coupling trains. And so you think this is better? Explain then why your trains are tiny compared with ours? It's the couplers. And because the trains are tiny, they're also much more inefficient for hauling freight.
ccoraxfan 1 year ago
@ccoraxfan It's better for passenger trains because the buffers cushion the slack so the last car doesn't get the jerk that American trains get. Since their freight trains are shorter than ours there's no need to have a separate coupler system. It works well for their conditions.
Hikikomori013 1 year ago
@Hikikomori013
American passenger trains have buffers too. Only freight trains have the jerking from slack takeup.
The shorter, lighter European trains are less efficient than our longer, heavier trains. Their failure to improve results in waste.
ccoraxfan 1 year ago
@ccoraxfan The Kx coupler is good for 3200 tons if I don't remember it wrong. And you need to read up as well, we have thousands of passenger trains in europe with automatic couplers. Have a look at this swedish train for example: watch?v=VmidVNC8MVM
Tjita1 1 year ago
@Tjita1
Close. The buffer and chain coupler is good for 3000 tons. By comparison, the AAR (American) automatic coupler is good for 32000 tons. Ten times the weight means much greater efficiency, something European freight trains have never seen.
I never denied that passenger trains in Europe use automatic couplers. I was talking about European freight trains.
ccoraxfan 1 year ago
@ccoraxfan Well, at least we power our trains with electricity and not diesel... Am I wrong in suspecting you still have to manually connect the air lines and electrical connections?
Tjita1 1 year ago
@Tjita1
Yes, most American trains are diesel. Certain major interests in the petroleum industry and engine manufacturing industry make certain of that. However, many of our urban and inter-urban trains are electric. Many passenger trains have fully automatic couplers which include the air and electrical connections. Freight trains still have a single air brake line which must be manually connected. Most freight trains have no electrical connections except between engines.
ccoraxfan 1 year ago
@ccoraxfan SA3 coupling is also used in some places.
bum291 1 year ago
What the hell you found so unbelievable!In Greece i have seen many times this scene...haha!No kiding.
Deathcult82 4 years ago
Two things he done wrong there..
1) Being between the rolling stock and loco when the loco was buffering up, big no no would'nt get me doing that..
2) Should of used the loco screw instead of the rolling stock screw.
Also haha for screwing up (excuse the pun) the first attempt at hooking up.
Jonsie66 4 years ago
wouldnt even attempt it...way too much...stick to auto couplers!!!
skarkot 4 years ago
The auto coupling used in Russa (SA 3) is better and safe.
MaximGumball 4 years ago
Wow. All I can say...wow. The railroad I work for uses automatic couplers, and we're barely even allowed between the cars! Now THIS looks like railroading! My hat's off to the fellow in orange.
RRSloth 4 years ago 2
If careful, the buffers will stop the train frim crushing him if the driver doesn't jarr the throttle.
Bellwestern80 4 years ago
Plank
9141521006 4 years ago
hell, he could have got crushed.
ProSneakyD 4 years ago
The Auto-hook(used in North America and China) is better.this hook looks danger
guojp 4 years ago
Pretty cool!
parkerjh 4 years ago