#152 - Q&A: LCD Technologies (TN, VA & IPS)

[JusticeYouWant2010]

Great Video, real gaming monitors don't have IPS or VA. Watching with Sapphire 6970, and BenQ XL2410T gaming monitor.

[JeemOfRunescape]

@JusticeYouWant2010 if you need good colours, go with a VA, if you only look at Hz and that, go with TN

[JusticeYouWant2010]

@JeemOfRunescape If you want great color ( slow response time ) go with IPS, you want a fast gaming monitor = crt or TN with 2 ms or quicker response time, you want inbetween... VA has good colors. Me I game , I don't have time to evaluate color reproduction, need a great fast ( responsive )TN Panel gaming monitor = BenQ XL2410T.

[alle71]

So IPS monitors is good for fps gaming to?

[TalesOfWar]

@alle71 The better IPS (by better, I generally mean the newer and slightly more expensive ones) panels are great all round displays, even for fast paced gaming. They're not as ideal as a TN panel, as they have very low response times, but the lack of colour quality and pathetic viewing angles of the bargain bin models really don't help the experience that much. If you don't care so much about colour accuracy or viewing angles and aren't doing any kind of colour work on your system, TN is fine.

[TRASProjectVideos]

Very useful even two years later. Currently I'm making a little user research for buying a professional IPS monitor and I have found that for some reason IPS monitors normaly don't have a HDMI input but I haven't found an answer yet. Could somebody around here tell why is that?

[TalesOfWar]

@TRASProjectVideos The only newer IPS monitors I know of that don't have HDMI are the Apple Cinema DIsplays, but then they're made to be used with Macs which don't use HDMI, but Mini DisplayPort. You'd be hard pressed to go wrong by getting a Dell UltraSharp display. Those things are great, and have every connector under the sun lol. They come with DisplayPort, HDMI, DVI, VGA, Component and Composite lol. I recommend looking into the U2410, unless you need higher resolution, then the 27 or 30.

[V0V0o]

i went from my lovely 17" CRT 100hz refresh rate to the shitty 23" LCD TN panel 60hz 2 days ago, & my eyes still burning tell now !

i guess i 'll sell it brand NEW as it is ;(

[Ishykawa]

Idk, I'm really picky about response time, I still don't know if I want an IPS or TN display, cause TN has 120hz. Which I LOVE.

[26psyside]

3 The VA panels are far from middle, for response times and input lag. They are known for being slowest from all types of panels end generally are not any better then TN's. They also suffer from contrast shift, black crush and gamma shift which make them an option for consumers who ain't really know much about panels. Also they tend to have very strong/oversaturated colors which make them look cartoonish and totally unrealistic, and ofc hard for using long time (eye strain)

Short, IPS>ALL.

[26psyside]

LOL man i like your videos generally, but this is really misleading one.

1. There are many IPS screens atm on the market for the same price as TN's. Dell 2209WA, Dell U2311H & NECEA23WMi,HP ZR22w etc.

2. The IPS destroy any tn in terms of colir reproduction, color accuracy, image consistency (on whole panel) contrast stabillty, panel uniformity, shadow details, and black color reproduction (the most important part of every LCD, the viewing angles are just a bonus.

3. The

[woollerland]

thanks man, i was really unsure what to get, going for TN, IPs lags too much and the only good one is the dell and it has some major flaws :(

[NervousNerdReview]

IPS = little to no blurring or ghosting, good response time usually however very poor black levels on most CCFL versions

VA = very saturated look, good black levels but sometimes noticeable smearing and response times tend to be higher

TN = low response time, inexpensive but very poor viewing angles

[MinimalTango1973]

hi hi 3DGameman! wad you meen to a Dell 27inch UltraSharp 2707WFP and (have you a link can see a gametest from it) ...thx xD

[SIMON23196]

have LED monitors panels like lcd ones?

if it's not the same, please make a video about that

thanks

[seveer7]

What are the best tv/monitors to buy for quite a cheap price e.g.100-200 pounds

[JohnyBravoSix]

Thanks a lot!

[denosplace]

slow down

[SinghKingh]

Can TN monitor be used as TV ? How will be the performance ?

[jpkiddo123]

Dell do a cheap ips on ebuyer for British folk.

[majtymicke]

What IPS monitors are HP coming out with? Im thinking about getting myself a HP LP2475w but thats last years model, and if they got an improved model with less input lag Im willing to wait for it.

I dont think 3dgameman will reply to me since I dont see any of his replies to other users questions below, so can anyone else answer me?

[Zico10101010]

@majtymicke get it man it's 6 MS and 12MS.

[eladbari]

how can i know which LCD screen is which? are those letters imprinted within the models name? [for example Samsung TN100,or something?

[Freddie1980]

Most of the time the panel type isn't given away in the naming.

The easiest way to find out what technology it uses simply to look at it's price. If it's one of the cheaper models then it's going to be a TN, if it costs a few hundred more then other screens of the same size there's a good chance it's a PVA/VA and if it's super expensive it's a IPS display.

The other way is to look at the response times, TN displays have responses time of around 2 to 3 MS, IPS and PVA have times of 5 to 6 MS.

[deggis4]

@Freddie1980: Or one could simply go to Prad (prad(dot)de(slash)en), click the manufacturers list and see detailed information of pretty much every monitor that is on the market or has been.

[BurtonReingold]

I gave it 5 stars to contract your 1.

[mattmanslim]

excellent

[BurtonReingold]

Not too bad a gig, but why tell us. Are you very strange?

[elemineseslapolla]

damn i saw a video of OLED´s and thats awesome i didnt know thats something is going on, i though the tecnology will stop after LCD, TFT, etc... but that a display can be printed..... o_O

[DamageIncM]

Of course not.

LCD and such technologies aren't even ideal for displays obviously.

With issues such as viewing-angles and the colors etc. changing when you even move a bit, stuck pixels and all those variables.

In my opinion it's not even logical.

I mean, it's liquid, no wonder you get these strange side-effects.

Now I consider OLED to be the real or actual "flatscreen-solution".

The properties of that technology just makes much more sense.

And I really hope it will work out soon enough.

[fredo69]

rodney how do we find out what we already have?

[dtsmucker]

Why should it matter what TFT (thin film transistor) panel you are using? Does it do what you want it to do?

[fredo69]

i just want the best i could possibly get. what can i say, im an elitist.

[dtsmucker]

Nowt wrong with that buddy.

[pokerface3699]

is 60 hz framerate and a little less than 180* ( frame blocks, but up to 1 cm frame, i can still see the lcd) viewing angle monitor good?

[Films4You]

Is any one type more subject to bad pixels?

[Films4You]

200% Good advice Thanking you.. but some monitor sellers just don't tell people this information. Some don't even say whether or not monitors have a glossy or anti-glare display... OK, just one click away is the answer and the sale :)

[Lvaneede]

What about those OLED screens, are they any good?

[tylernautica]

OLED's are the future. yes LCD and plasma tv's will be a thing of the past.

Just keep reading new articles on OLED technology and their progress. Stuff is still way to expensive right now, and some minor Longevity problems. but I cant wait

[pokerface3699]

crts: good framerate, good viewing angle compatibility, horrible space management

[fredo69]

lol good one.

[trousien]

not to mention your eyes will burn and go blind when staring at it for long amounts of time

[Lvaneede]

very interestibg

[3DGAMEMAN]

Yes, OLED is the future, but it's still a nice ways off when it comes to large format, high resolution screens.

[singularity3]

Not as good as SED.

[Lvaneede]

Whats SED?

[dtsmucker]

Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display. It has nothing to do with what Rodney is talking about. This tech is years away.

[Lvaneede]

Oh well, atleast it has a cool name

[th3d3wd3r]

Although I really wanted an IPS based panel, I had to settle on the acer g24 which is a heavily modified TN panel. And you know what, I'm amazed, It has a colour gamut of 98% which is amazing compared to the average 70% for TN panels. It also uses acers overdrive technology making the grey to grey response time 2ms. Although the increased colour gamut on IPS is tempting, I'm also quite colour bling, so 98% will do me lol

[th3d3wd3r]

colour blind rather... not bling, my machine is a bit bling, but not colorful lol

[RON3N]

e-IPS FTW

[Finalcon]

well.....this can only be a good answer for TN/VA/IPS if you must finish yr answer in a minute.

just like the answer of a salesman, seriously

[blaze909]

Barco rulz

[MageThief]

Really thanks for this Q&A video Rodney

[maxnanabas09]

thx 3dgameman that is very useful info!!

[r31ncarnat3d]

Wow, this is completely new to me o_o I never knew there was any difference between LCD displays. I just assumed there was one standard for LCD displays.

[coliwood]

i have an htpc and i use a lcd tv. what are the major difference in using an LCD tv and the aforementioned LCD panels; would they do a better job than a regular LCD television?

[Studio2LH]

hah i have the same wallpaper :)

[pimpedout8888888]

i have that wallpaper 2! lololol

[3DGAMEMAN]

Cool wallpaper for sure. For anyone who would like to check it out, please watch; #121 - Question/Answer: My Computer HD Wallpaper Video

[flawns]

WOW! I never heard of IPS!

thanks for the news updates your channel is useful

[deepakm]

Rodney Renolds, The peoples champ.

[aplayaz2000]

LCD man

[saken]

Great question, this is something people really need to know when deciding which monitor to get. And the sellers often do not give much info on the panel type. It's why Dell's UltraSharp monitors are more expensive than the normal versions.

[Docthewrench]

how do you know what type of monitor LCD you have I use 2 LCDs to dual box in games but no clue if they are tn va or ips

[RON3N]

Trying to tell between VA and IPS is harder than finding a TN. TN panels usually have worst viewing angles.

[Docthewrench]

my lcds have decent viewing angles I think not sure what view angles mean when looking at a LCD side to side and the degrees you sit off to the side?

[stryeker]

yeah never heard of these monitors.. TN, VA & IPS...

[shaurz]

We pronounce it "dot co" not "dot cee oh" ;-)

[asilayloathing]

HP/Dell/Acer are the best brands for monitors

[stryeker]

and LG...

[asilayloathing]

nah man, you dont know about monitors man, its not about the highest dynamic contrast.... picture quality! .. LG and samsung are awefull compared to those ...

[knockdoun]

What is a GTG Mointer that have those Extreme Resolutions at like 2560 x 1600? Also can you make a Video about those 3d Monitor and explain what they are and how they work

[jgoldfield]

GTG usually stands for Grey to Grey (for response time)

[vesleengen]

when is Samsung going to get some good 2ms 24" monitors with 1920x1200 and low power usage on the market?

[ogapadoga]

if i do digital painting, Maya and 3DSMax is my only choice IPS?

[newkie2008]

i have a question too

i´m a mid range gamer and i have a lg lcd monitor with 8 ms, how much is the difference between 8 ms and 2 ms?

[Chickennrice02]

6 lol

[newkie2008]

XD soo true XD

good one :D

[Xillionous]

About 6ms. Seriously though, I've heard people say that the eye can't see anything under 10ms, I think that's a load of shit. To my perspective I have always got ghosting on any 8ms monitor never a 2ms, could just be the brand though. If you can get your hands on a 2ms monitor -Go for it! Otherwise if you don't see your current 8ms monitor effecting your game play, then why upgrade? Unless you're wanting a bigger size.

[newkie2008]

i don´t have ghosting probably i have lower ms but i don´t remember exactly.

6ms again XD

[evildwarf]

All LCDs have ghosting, even the fastest ones. If you are concerned with ghosting, go for a good ole Sony Trinitron CRT monitor.

[shadman1911]

I am 3d artist, spend a lot of time on the PC, I can´t get rid of my old CRT Sony trinitron.

[lordofultima]

Nothing can beat a good CRT, although the LCD is the common nowadays, much like HDTV's have replaced all the displays where your old tubed televisions used to rest.

[ferret6677]

The CRT's are way too dark.

[tgseason12]

Agreed.

[pcandcargeek28]

cool vid rodney, good to no, i think ive seen one of the ips monitors by hp, i cant remeber, all well nice vid anyways, haha

[norbyxxl]

i got a question:

-I Have Windows XP SP3 and i have 4GB RAM in my PC and XP detects only 3.2GB RAM?Why is that, i heard that i need vista or 64 bit OS, I'm confused so please help, thanks in advance.

[3DGAMEMAN]

#73 - Question/Answer: System Memory (2GB or 4GB)

[msimpson94]

A 32-bit OS can only "use" 3-3.5 GB of RAM. It does not matter whether you use XP or Vista. However I have heard things about the kernel being able to allocate up the remaining .5-1GB to itself.

[norbyxxl]

Since 64-bit XP is not supported anymore, that means i have to go to Vista 64-bit...but i hate Vista,the remaining 800RAM would be chewed up by Vista then, so I stick to XP until Windows 7 comes.Thanks for the Help.

[WheelchairAccessible]

Your stuck in the past Bud, Nothings wrong with Vista.

[zomgomgomgz]

32 bit XP only supports up to 3.3 GB of RAM. 64 bit XP supports up to 16 GB and Vista even more.

[elcko123]

32 bit XP and Vista support 4 GB you have to add the factor of video memory into the total as well though

[markeyboy9944]

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[MugenRac1ng]

Nice!

[Wi1Skin]

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[orbutee]

nice vid m8 u rule

[bitchslapper12]

3dgameman own!