So the single line of defense is referencing an isolated idiot yelling something from a crowd.... Yeah... This is what's wrong w American media... So shallow and sorry of an argument - this interview was swuashed b/ c it would threaten the status quo. This guy obviously in a Ghandi like manner "destroyed" her- but who cares about winners or losers when we are all lost...This guy who I never heard of before should be up running for the nomination instead of Trump, Cain, etc. This guy truly repre
rachel maddow is one of the most uninformed and annoying ''newscasters'' ive ever seen. she smirks like she knows shes right and i never see her bring anyone on who disagrees with what she says its usually a setup attempt the same goes for overbite and that other spitting fool screwball on hardball btw politics is not a place for humor humor is a coverup for ignorance in this case, if she wants to be a clown join the dyke circus
rachel maddow is one of the most uninformed and annoying ''newscasters'' ive ever seen. she smirks like she knows shes right and i never see her bring anyone on who disagrees with what she says its usually a setup attempt the same goes for overbite and that other spitting fool screwball on hardball
@powelllapwerto I agree! What a smug mudslinger. Madlick never has any quests on her show, just the same Libturd faces over and over again. Never any serious debate with Republicans. Erich
I fail to see were he smacked her.He cut her off while talking which is typical of republicans when they feel threatened.Goes to show you the lack of self control conservatives and there supporters have.Consistently they cut you off when they feel threatened in attempt to come off as being correct.Stop exaggerating this.The way Rachel handled this was professional.The truth is you conservatives do not have the slightest clue how to have a civilized debate.
@eviloneone He owned her big time! How come she never has any Republicans on the show that can debate all her bullshit? Always the same far left misfits, never any intelligent debates..
God I hate Rachel "I Suck Pussy on a Daily Basis So Therefore Am More Sophisticated Than Most People" Maddow - but i hate David "I'm a Canadian Who Wants to Tell All Americans How To Live" Frum. . . . so I'm in a bit of a corner on this one. . . .
Loved David Frum in this interview! Funny to see Maddow`s face as she is outsmarted. He is totally correct to say that people like Maddow is lowering the political discourse of the US, and there is a need for intelligent dicussion of the issues. Maddow is as dangerous as the "birthers" and town hall "protesters." Rude, sarcastic, smart-ass comments should not be used to dicuss serious issues. Good for you David!
WhereMyDuragAt,looool.i was thinking the exact same thing about her emulating olberman before i read your post(so i'm not crazy i guess).any unbiased viewer of this vid will see how under qualified she is in the CableNews-shark Tank.Frum owned her here but was somewhat rude(yet telling the truth)when calling her show "a small plate of responsibility"
all things aside, what i can't stand about maddow is that her cadence is exactly the same as olberman's. i am not even talking about what she says, its how she says it. SHE SPEAKS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS HIM. Its annoying and shows that she is UNORIGINAL. Its way to smug and planned. Its clear she is reading of a teleprompter, which all tv hosts do...put arent so obvious.
I have thought that EXACT same thing. . . not to mention they are both complete morons (people with advanced degrees are dumber than those who make a living for themselves)
David Frum is largely discredited, especially by Israeli intelligence, and AIPAC has better catch up by dissociating entirely, if they are to do the true task of lobbying for Israeli peace and security. Else, AIPAC acts against the interests of Israel, and will feel the consequences. Israel's real lobby will not stand by silently.
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He tries to illegitimize what Rachel has to say, not by actually responding to the substance of it but by whining about the delivery of it. I don't think he would do very well trying to debate Rachel on the issues so I guess the snippy little ambushes on her and her show are his only options. What an ass.
His face when he says "If it were important to you" -- what an ugly douche.
I am a liberal, an Obama supporter, and all, but I still don't see how Frum got pwned here. It was just the most asinine conversation I have ever seen in a long time. Maddow let him steal the interview and all she had to say was "it's not the same thing." Pathetic, almost as pathetic as Frum himself who now "flip-flopped" into somehow being a lover of civilized discourse.
Is anyone falling for Maddows bullcrap equivalence argument. There isnt an equivalence to what she does and a death threat which turns out never happened. For some reason she feels is good logic to try to equate something not being brought up apparently to distract the topic. There "is" and equivalence to what she does and a political supporter ranting about items that lack substance instead of issues which could be much more informative about the real character of the candidates at the time.
Now that the GOP is in the toilet, Frum audaciously comes on "The Rachel Maddow Show" and attempts to 'coach' her on bipartisanship and objectivity?! How ludicrous!! Where was this mindset during the last 8 years of dictatorship from the Bush Administration?
I would say he is an asshole, but seeing as how they have fallen into the toilet, he is just a piece of shit.
Frum, the former Bush speechwriter, the man who gave the world the Axis of Evil trope, is in a dour mood for obvious reasons and I can see why Maddows too cheerful too teenage tone would irritate him. But something else contributes to his depression; he is a reasonably well informed conservative and well knows how deep and muddy is the ditch his party is mired in.
Rachel Madcow is so biased she should just be completely honest in the name of her show. The DNC Propaganda Show. She slams anything related to the RNC and defends anything said negative about the DNC. She is nothing more that a propagandist for the DNC.
David Frum tried to bring her into a sensible interview but the 7th grader "Madcow" wouldn't allow it to be an intellectual interview. Why, because that is something she doesn't know how to do. She is a disgrace.
I have heard her name on different talk shows and decided to give her show a chance. Wow. What a waste of time that was. Her biased, leftist view is so blatant it's unbearable. This video was a good example of how liberals think snark and sarcasm are somehow valid forms of substantive journalism. What Frum was trying to get through to her went right over her head. Now I can see why MSNBC's ratings are always so poor.
I do not take David Frum's side of many issues, but on this occasion he raised serious points and expressed them clearly. She didn't get many of them, and misrepresented as many as she could.
Clearly an intelligent American, Maddow is queen of sarcasm. We all know how nice sarcasm is.
Conversations like this are in no way a meeting of equals. The person behind the news desk is, in fact, the boss. In this meeting, an obtuse, dishonest and unfair one.
For someone who hasn't been doing this long, I was stunned by her precision and clarity in navigating and attack like this. On the other hand, from a professionalism standpoint, she didn't deal with it and move back to the topic(s) at hand; she let Frumm's accusations become the substance of the discussion. Still, I'm so impressed by her abilities.
"The Right Man, an Inside Look at the Bush White House"
"Comeback- Conservatism that can Win Again"
"Dead Right"
In "Dead Right", Frum advocates for reinstating the "social stigma" of homosexuals, single unmarried women & premarital sex & says he would like to see an increase in religion- not because of spritual reasons, but so society will be "better behaved"- that is so society can be more easily controlled.
And he lied to her staff se he could ambush Maddow.
Do you think that the increase in single motherhood and sex only for pleasure's sake has improved our society? I ask this as the child of a good and hard working single mother.
Will you refute Frum's argument on the show, or just quibble about how he got on?
FAHayek.. off subject, but I think that women should not be stigmatized (looked down on) b/c they are unmarried or have children. Men should be stigmatized if they don't support those children and women should be helped. I think women should learn more self-respect for their own bodies, which would reduce unplanned pregnancies and sex for pleasure.
A speech writer for W.? How embarrassing for him to be responsible for the words that have come out of Bush's mouth. If I were David Frumm, I would tell people that I mopped the floors at an adult movie theater or something more respectable than a speech writer for Bush. No wonder he's so bitter.
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LIBERAL?..You MUST BE KIDDING..this lesbian is so far left she falls off the table of sanity.Her Boss Soros wouldn't have hired her otherwise..It amazes me anyone listens to this disgusting individual!
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Hey, you're talking to folks who are looking for a free ride. There in lies their hops for BO. (BO, his initials, you know how sensitive he is about his middle name.)
Besides, what else would you expect from a liberal dyke. She and her girl friend have hopes of a legal union (BO and the liberals to the will save them)....can women have unions...hmmmm I guess with plastic toys they can.
"Hey, you're talking to folks who are looking for a free ride. There in lies their hops for BO."
You're right. So many people in this country at every election just look for the candidate that who promises to give them the biggest handout. That's why Reagan, who promised to remove all handouts and the like, won in a landslide, right?
A man who's rhetoric helped start a war that has cost over 4,000 American lives and nearly a million Iraqi lives, made 5 million homeless, and put this country into the worst debt in it's history, has the unmitigated GALL to lecture a Rhodes Scholar about her "tone"?
On honey, if she'd have lopped your dick off for that (presuming one could FIND that tiny, limp, wet noodle), she would have been justified. Her self-restraint was admirable.
That self serving punk...wants to quote Ghandi about civil discourse in Washington...8 years after he's benefited from the right wing fictional Noise media?...then to add more insult to injury ...comparing Rachel's factual reporting to Faux-fake-fixed- news?
He's wincing because he couldn't get away with his poor attempt at a spin job.
If God created a more arrogant man than this jerk, I don't wanna know about it. Geez! She wasn't questioning whether there is a need to increase our nuclear arsenal she was making that point that Paul Wolfowitz shouldn't be the one in charge of that decision because like everyone in the Bush Administration, he's a lieing, two faced, self serving jerk...as is Mr. Frum apparently.
Talk about spreading libtard propaganda... None of those things were ever said at any McCain/Palin Rally.
But since 0bama's entire campaign is based on flashing the phony race card (when dumbfounded by fact and no reasonable defense can be cited)... why change now.
Reps do seem to claim the right to be the greater assholes and louder big-mouths by default. When dems or their supporters respond just by setting the record straight, reps immediately start crying "no fair!".
This guy's proposal is this: let the reps have their slander, personal attacks, breaking of rules, threats, bullshit, and straight-to-your-face lies, but woe to any who'd call them out on that. Because that would be "inciting the debate".
If conservatives in Germany would act the way reps do in the US, they'd be ostracised, and lose their jobs & their standing in society.
Really, a lot of the right's behaviour in the US is like a bad dream of, I have to say it, the nazis having their way after all. "Kill him!"? Wtf? I'm so glad Rachel finally said what should have happened at that moment. McCain saying:"This ain't how we do it", and the caller getting investigated by the secret service.
Obama pallin' around with terrorists? Palin as VP, let alone president if anything ever happened to McCain?
If McCain wins, after Bush stole the 2000 (and maybe even the 2004) election(s), America would be on its way straight from Banana-Republic to Bullshit-Country.
And, simply put, if that happens? - boy are we fucked, all of us.
whata coward. If he really cared about his party he'd say it to the people that need to hear it. Not, spread the blame. Go dump that load of manure on rush. and MAYBE i'll have respect for frum.. btw. i love rachel.
Rachel did a great job handling Frum's meltdown. I agree with Regeman. It's nice that the left finally has a voice on prime time tv. This taste of their own medicine has the republicans fruming... I mean fuming.
No, Rachel didn't totally owned him.If anything, he caught her off guard and the exchange got a little heated. Frum was honest enough to say that his own party (Republicans) need to fix alot of their own problems. Then he tries to tell Maddow that the tone in politics is lacking substance and uses her show as an example. She of course defends her style and throws a few pucnes back, but I think you're wrong to say she "totally owned" him. She didn't.
As David Brooks noted this week, the Republican party has become the anti-education, anti-intellectual party. And boy are we seeing some of that in recent posts here. Happy to see that there are crackers in Canada (that's you Easy). Need some tickets to the creationist museum?
She/he/it just got their childish shtick exposed for what it is. Pandering to the lowest uncommon denominator while pretending to be a typically liberal elitist snot. No wonder their ratings are in the tank. Who are their sponsors, Playdoh?
The more appropriate question is why Frum is implementing a false equivalence when he's had plenty of "opportunity" to urge O'Reilly, Rush, and Hannity to do better the past 15 years. Odd "logic" right (if you're capable of even parsing logic)?
Frum was basically saying there needs to be more substance in polital news and used her show as an example of what he's talking about. I think he did a good job of pointing that out, but fans of Maddow will disagree.
The context of some of FOX's shows clearly show the pundits being Biased, however they do give a balanced report, they promote objectivity, you get to see both sides, and they aren't just out right nasty about it. NBC sucks, and CNN is almost as bad. Even Hillary Clinton recently announced that FOX was the most balanced.
the point issmech was trying to make in bringing up Hillary's comment is that she''s a popular Democrat who's openy stated that FOX is fair and balanced. when a major Democrat says that Fox News is Fair and Balanced, you have to consider the possibility that is actually is.
But you seem to forget that Democrats are really a moderate party, not a left wing party. Hillary is Republican Light. Even if she weren't I wouldn't buy what she was saying. I've seen Fox News quite enough to find out it's not "fair and balanced". And I don't care to watch anymore. But you go ahead and rot your brain. It's a free country.
bullshit,fox isn't balanced,fox is anti-Obama and pro- Mccain,fox is for the republicans,where as nbc is fair and balanced,they talk about Mccain and Obama equally,Fox is the worst,they mines as well be part of the Mccain campaign
There were probably like 20 people tops that heard the bad remarks from the Mccain supporters, Im sure it happens at Democratic debates also. By slOLberman, and Madcow blasting this to their audience they are worse than the lunatic supporters that actually said it. MSNBC causes more hate than any radical ever thought about. Everytime I see Olberman come on tv I switch channels, he is an arrogant prick, even when he does the NFL. NBC lost me I'm done with them.
On another show, the host would've cut him off and shouted him down. Rachel...class all the way. Ugly tone! Some of the most ugly, natsy comments in this campaign came from conservative talk show hosts about Hillary Clinton. Were was frum then??? The double standard - always in effect with these guys.
Absurdity begs satire. Mark Twain was "uncivil" too. Get a sense of humor. Compare her discussion with one Hannity, O'Rielly, or Limbaugh would've had. She allowed Frum to speak. She wasn't hostile, but engaged him to explain his assertions, to which he made the mistake of premising on a poorly picked comparison.
Wow... Rachel Maddow is incredible. She doesn't pound back with a sledgehammer; she conceals it in a pillowcase. It leaves few humiliating, visible bruises but the damage and pain is clearly felt. Poor Mr. Frum probably came away from that pounding not knowing quite what he was hammered with.
I find rachel's wit and bits of humor on a higher level of intelligence. Always thoughtful and in appropriate context. Always worth watching & listening to. Ms. Palin couldn't hold a lamp to Ms. Maddow.
yeah, Frum, until we hear everything that Wolfowitz has to say about rearming with nuclear weapons, the progressive movement is not being open to new ideas. sophistry only works when it's sophisticated.
Good idea not to make that comparison, since Overbite and MadCow get pummelled in the ratings night after night by Fox.
Oh, and I'm not sure who Obama is smarter than, exactly; but it clearly isn't anyone who knows how many states there are or the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day.
There are more people with IQ's less than 100 who flock to Faux news than any other TV program on cable. Maybe that's why you cannot appreciate the reasoning behind Rachel's argument.
Only in America can you have a high school drop out, Glenn Beck, and college drop out, Rush Limbaugh...be successful in this country, because there are so many stupid people such as yourself supporting them.
Why run from it? You're party appeals to stupidity. The majority of people voted for Bush because he is most likely you can have a beer, toxic drink that destroys your brain cells,...with.
C average in college BUSH, 5th to the bottom of his class Mccain, transfers from 5 schools in her undergrad Palin....Boy you can pick the dullest bulbs in the drawer.
Then again, that was a C average in Harvard and Yale. And that was near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, statistically the most exclusive college or university in the country. I'm no Bush fan, but could you have gotten into either?
I have a M.d. degree, I went to one of the top 5 liberal arts colleges in the nation. My sister graduated with honors at Yale undergrad, Yale med school, Hopkins in Ophthalmology. Both my parents have Ph.D's, father has a M.D. If you are impressed with Bush and Mccain's grades, simply because of the institutions their relatives got them into...I really feel sorry for you.
Your comment about people with IQ's less that 100 flocking to Fox News is typical of the way a Lberal expresses themselves. If someone participates in something a liberal disagrees with, you simply ridcule them & call them stupid. Liberals for some reason always think the are smarter, more sophisticated, more compassionate & more enlightened than everyone else. After reading Rachel Maddow's Bio, I respect her for earning a PH.D in politics, but her blatent biased view makes her lose credibility.
She didn't vote for W twice or believe the load of crap spewed for 8 years i.e. Iraq War, environment, limiting stem cell research, deregulating banking industry, bringing us to economic collapse...on and on and on. Take your lumps like a man and when your party finally wises up.... maybe they will deserve the respect that you are searching for.
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This is sad.
This clip is another tired example of Left vs Right. Red state fascists vs Blue state communists. Bloods vs Crips.
Cover the facts, not the absurd horse race between two political monopolies. If I want rude commentary, sarcasm and jokes, I want to watch it on the Daily Show and NOT on FOX or MSNBC or CNN.
What's worse is that many shows are even worse than this. I hate what news has become. Too partisan, too opinionated, too stupid and no facts.
Right wingers don't appreciate sarcasm by left-leaning news commentators? Could the problem be that right wingers simply lack the intelligence and academic preparation to "get" the sarcasm?
Rachel Maddow's audience consists mainly of college graduates, while the "fair and balanced" shows are viewed primarily by drop outs and other evangelicals.
Comparing McCain/Pailin lynch-mob rousing "speeches" to sarcastic exposing of Republican hypocrisies is part of the problem. Fix your own fly!
I'll take Maddow's witty commentary filled with facts over Frum's content-free lecturing any day of the week. Frum holds himself up as someone who is more respectful of our democracy (notice his "serious" tone) , but Frum and his neo-con buddies are ALWAYS WRONG.
Wrong on Iraq, Wrong on the economy.
You'll get more true information and facts from a Colbert Report episode filled with "sarcastic tone" than you will from the loony ramblings of ex-Canadian David Frum.
Maddow and Olbermann ridicule the hypocrisy of (mostly right-wing) politicians. The problem is making an equivalency between that and what Rush, Hannity, Borz, Savitch and others do, which is foment hatred, division, bigotry, and narrow-mindendness. (Notice that I didn't mention O'Reilley, who, while extremely obnoxious, is not as bad as the others). Olbermann and Maddow are a response to the shock jocks and what they do is for more intelligent and generous than their right-wing counterparts.
You watch Frum and it occurs to me that he is just waking up out of an 8 year coma. He hasn't quite realized that people are not going to lap up his swill like they did when he trumped up the evidence to start the Iraqi war. Get used to it, Frum, you got a lot of explaining to do. You don't get to BS your way out of this. Facts matter.
I wish all exchanges among pundits, hosts, and commentators could be this engaging. This form of argument and disagreement is refreshing and stimulating.
I have great respect for Rachel Maddow and her professionalism, because I would've went to town on Frum once he began attacking me. Everything is ripe for satire, regardless of the subject's political affiliation, and if you get mad because your candidate was exposed as a fraud through satire then the joke is really on you. Great job Rachel. Keep up the great work! You earned it!
From has a poin in reguard to tone. However it has been the racism of the McCain/palin campaign which has set that tone . In Canada whare David is from such overately racist comments pointing to Obama as dangerous, foreign and a threat would not be tolerated by tolerated by any political party.
Why republicans think the dems don't view threats to america I will never understand.
Just because they don't fly off the handle and attempt to nuke anything that looks at america funny doesn't mean they will not take a serious threat seriously.
Rachel Maddow handled that much better than I would've. Frum is a bully who went in looking for a fight and didn't stop even when he realized he wouldn't be getting one. He's like the child who picks on another to lower them to their level so they get in trouble. There's no excuse for that.
Mr. Self Righteous Frum!The NEOCONS, do you notice that they can't smile or laugh? They have a certain kind of snarl. It isn't pretty! Rachel has one of the best shows on TV. And the polls show it. : ) Maybe the neocons are getting taken over by the republicans, the party that they tried to hi-jack!
The notion that Frum could say that Maddow's comments are at all comparable to the bile coming out of the McCain camp and from his supporters is just mendacity. Frum should be ashamed, as should Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg.
Yes i watched the same interview and Maddows ugly ass was backpedaling the whole time. As far as watching Hannity...he has far more ratings than anybody at BSNBC. I know you are mesmerised by Obama but you should try comparing his policies on his website to those of the Socialist Party website. They are the same just worded differently. Obama is a Marxist and has a view not from the constitution but the Communist Manifesto. Try to open your mind a bit I am not even a republican and despise mcain
Frum doubts someone yelled out kill him at a rally? He's trying his best to change the tone of his party? IF John McCain were making threats of violence, that would be REALLY bad?? I would hope that he would be arrested! And McCain not having any control to stop this kind of violence yelled out in his crowd has shown that he welcomes it. I've seen secret service take someone out of a crowd that is protesting the war and NOT have one taken out that yells out kill him , I wonder where they are!
Soon Obama gunna be running teh show. Then teh war criminal Bush will be put on trial and sent to prison. New age is dawnin with a brother running things. No more racist white bullshit. The grand ol party is fucking finished. Nobody wants the racist fuckers anymore.
David Frum blaming Liberals for the racist lunacy in the GOP. Quite fresh. The assertion is so silly, that Maddow didn't even have to bother.
Americans: please accept my apology as a Canadian, for unleashing a monster such as David Frum on your unsuspecting nation. No country deserves such a moron invading their TV sets.
This is such a pantload,....this guy is one of the bastards that helped Bush and Cheney lie this nation into a war by invoking fear of non-existent WMDs and now he says we need to "get serious"?
Okay, buddy, wanna get serious? Fine. How does a trip to the International Criminal Court sound to you? You get get all the "serious" you can handle there as you try to keep yer ass out of jail with the rest of the Bush Crime Family.
Cool maybe he can get in line behind all the people who voted against the war on the UN security council because the leagal legitimacy of this war was in no way tied to a corrupted UN program that stole food from the mouths of starving Iraqis and empowered their leader to push a few more of them through a plastic shredder in from of their parents. It is sad how people like you want to be so liked by such a corrupt group of individuals.
That whole "oil for food" NON-SCANDAL was a Right Wing LIE. Same goes for your "Plastic Shredder" that turned out to yet ANOTHER Right Wing LIE. Same goes for the "Mass Graves". You guys devote so much outrage over MADE UP bullshit but don't give a DAMN that millions of people have DIED because of out and out violations of International LAW. And to think that you were the ones chanting "RULE OF LAW" all through the Clinton Years.
No mass graves in Iraq? or rape rooms or children prison. No mass graves in Kurkuk with hundreds of children buried alive? You are willing to belive that never exsisted but that millions of people died in iraq despite the fact the Iraqi Health ministry and the UN disagree with you.
The plastic shredder I can doubt but that isn't important to me. Also what evidence do you bring that the oil for food theft was a lie?
BTW: The really PATHETIC THING is that you actually thought you were being CLEVER with that crap. "Oh yeah, let's jail all the people who voted against the war because they were getting money from the terrible dictator".
So you think that people creating the conditions for one party breaking the law were in the process breaking laws is a proper way to decide the fate of a genocidal dictator who was about to become enormously wealthy due to skyrocketing oil prices.
This is exactly the kind of "false comparison" this video talks about. You equate the illegal invasion of a fellow member of the United Nations and the slaughter of innocent people with anyone trading with Saddam was ALSO "the enemy" just because you consider Saddam to have been "the enemy" (despite the FACT that he NEVER threatened the United States and wasn't behind 9/11). You also didn't bother to note in the "oil for food program" that the biggest violators were companies in the U.S.
What does being a member of the United Nations have to do with anything? Also sorry it is 2008 and connections to pre AQ Al-Zawahiri are backed up by documents from the regime. Saddam threatened the United States hundreds of times over Iraqi national airwaves he also shot at American aircraft enforcing the no fly zones daily for 12 years. Why do you assume I thought Saddam was behind 911? Saddam was incredibly dangerous and a bad calculator of risks. He had to go.
First of all, it's not up to the United States to say who gets to stay and who gets to go. Sorry to break it to you but we aren't the owners of the world. Second of all, it's called "TREATIES". Ones we signed and helped WRITE that CREATED the United Nations and we are in VIOLATION of those treaties AND International Law by waging a War of Aggression. That's what NAZI Germany was guilty of. You Morans prolly don't even know it's against International Law to even THREATEN war with another country.
I am sorry who gets to say? The French who didn't ask for UN approval before the obliterated the air force of the Ivory coast in 2004 and helped overthrow Laurent Gbagbo. The Russians or Chinese who oppose the UN at every turn. What war of aggression the one enforcing UN mandates against genocide (kurds marsh arabs) the convention against the imprisonment and exicution children that requires members to act. The violation of countless ceasefire agreements that break UN law?
I agree if Israel has nukes they should disclose them. Israel has a UN bias against it. In 2004 the UN had 3 emergency security meetings regarding Israel. Keep in mind the UN didn't call one regarding Dafur,Rewanda, Kosovo, the Russian Georgian Conflict. This tells me a great deal. Can you honestly say in light of this that the UN treats that situation reasonably.
It's not a question of "if" Israel has nukes. Google "Dimona". A thing to note is every bomb has a unique isotope signature that can trace it's origin back to where it was made. None of the nukes Israel has made are on on the international lists so they're untraceable back to them. This means they can give one of their nukes to Bush to blow up an American city and they can claim it was from Iran.
The could do that, or a in a world based on reality a huge cargo ship from Iran heading for Israel was a huge dirty bomb filled with a powdery fine sandy soil. I suppose the Somali pirates who hijacked it and were losing their hair and falling over dead must have caught something from their food.
You simply pick and choose what UN treaties and Mandates you want to enforce and the ones you don't sorry if you want to play by the rules you better argue with someone eles. Oh yeah violation of the UN mandate against sponsoring terrorism you forgot that one.
Saddam lost the rights to what ever minor sovereignty Iraq had left after a decade of sanctions. America enforced the rules while others were happy to let Iraq rot. I am Canadian by the way. We just swung more right tonight!
About 10 seats away from a majority with the Bloc making a fuss in Quebec over arts funding. The largest seating of Minority MPs and immigrants as well.
Canadians are tired of quasi socialism and our state run media bombarded us daily with horror stories about the right. Regardless Europe is swinging right as well. Have fun gathering up a trillion $ by closing loopholes and windfall profit taxes on 75$ oil. God you guys are screwed real smart
Great fire the guy throw him in jail I am no big fan of McCain or a huge amount of Republicans. There is tones of money in peace because then trade flows. I am not sure but the peace that follows in Iraq will be far more profitable then the war ever was.
The nuber one problem with the United Nations is our lack of participation. The Right Wing HATES the UN because it's all about "peace" and there's no money in peace. They're too busy using fear to rally their base who are a bunch of cowards and look to Republicans as their heroes that will keep them safe from imaginary threats or real threats the Republicans create.
Could it be that the right wing has an issue with a United Nations that places Lybia on a human rights commission or gives the same veto power to Russian and Chineese authoritarian states that it gives to free France or the U.K. and denies to even larger democratic states like India? Could it be that there are more important values than peace - values like freedom -- values that a body that gives China and Russia veto power can never hope to advance?
Did it ever occur to you that we could use our seat at the UN more effectively if we didn't keep putting in asshats like John Bolten? Bush's idea of "freedom" is the freedom to hold people without trial and to torture them. BTW: I don't know if you caught the news but Russia isn't an authoritarian state anymore. China is a Capitalist wet dream with tons of cheap (slave) labor and so is India.
Bolton admittedly lacked some diplomatic skills, but he spent his time in the UN calling attention to blatant corruption and fraud. Do you oppose standing against corruption or do you deny the UN is rife with it?
Putin holds nominal elections but arrests political opposition before the election and controls the media. That is authoritarian.
A free market is a necessary component of a free society, but it is not sufficient. China is still a politically and socially repressive state.
That whole "Oil For Food" thing was only a scandal in Right Wing circles. The rest of the world knew it was a clown show by Republicans. Dmitry Medvedev is the President of Russia and Putin is now doing swimsuit calendars. Finally, the market is not "free" and never has been and is NOT related to "freedom". Do you honestly define "freedom" as "selling stuff"? If that's the case we could all show the world our freedom by having a garage sale.
You find Oil for Food and Libya having a seat on the Human Rights Commission good honest government?
Putin is still Prime Minister and Medvedev was his handpicked successor. He arrested political opposition and holds complete control over the press to ensure his grip on power.
Property rights require a free market and are a necessary (not sufficient) condition for freedom.
Do you think China is free? Can I practice my religion of choice there? Can I criticize the government?
Oil for Food was a fake scandal driven by Cheney, turns out the number one violators were US firms. (Including Halliburton under Cheney, which is how he knew the details) Countries take turns on various Commissions, it's good to teach. Freedom is NOT about buying and selling. That's like politicians defining peace between nations as a stupid trade agreement. (Often screwing over the workers of one nation or another)
Freedom is when you can be what you want and the State doesn't care.
So you think that repressive states learn by being placed on human rights commissions? I think they subvert the purpose of the commission.
I didn't say freedom was about buying and selling alone, but if I am to "do what I want," the state must show due respect to my property rights.
Statistically, free trade tends to benefit societies economically and raise even the lowest income levels in the long term, but it is a bit complex for 500 letters.
So the single line of defense is referencing an isolated idiot yelling something from a crowd.... Yeah... This is what's wrong w American media... So shallow and sorry of an argument - this interview was swuashed b/ c it would threaten the status quo. This guy obviously in a Ghandi like manner "destroyed" her- but who cares about winners or losers when we are all lost...This guy who I never heard of before should be up running for the nomination instead of Trump, Cain, etc. This guy truly repre
neocant1 1 week ago
rachel maddow is one of the most uninformed and annoying ''newscasters'' ive ever seen. she smirks like she knows shes right and i never see her bring anyone on who disagrees with what she says its usually a setup attempt the same goes for overbite and that other spitting fool screwball on hardball btw politics is not a place for humor humor is a coverup for ignorance in this case, if she wants to be a clown join the dyke circus
powelllapwerto 1 year ago
rachel maddow is one of the most uninformed and annoying ''newscasters'' ive ever seen. she smirks like she knows shes right and i never see her bring anyone on who disagrees with what she says its usually a setup attempt the same goes for overbite and that other spitting fool screwball on hardball
powelllapwerto 1 year ago
@powelllapwerto I agree! What a smug mudslinger. Madlick never has any quests on her show, just the same Libturd faces over and over again. Never any serious debate with Republicans. Erich
SNIDEMAN111 1 month ago
Rachel Maddow is a lesbian with mosquito bumps posing as breasts and a butch haircut.
Go back to Canada, Rachel. You are a real eye sore here in America and you are the last person who is going to influence me politically.
Bompins 1 year ago
haha, Frum pwnd the anchor.
fillosofert 1 year ago
I fail to see were he smacked her.He cut her off while talking which is typical of republicans when they feel threatened.Goes to show you the lack of self control conservatives and there supporters have.Consistently they cut you off when they feel threatened in attempt to come off as being correct.Stop exaggerating this.The way Rachel handled this was professional.The truth is you conservatives do not have the slightest clue how to have a civilized debate.
eviloneone 2 years ago 2
@eviloneone He owned her big time! How come she never has any Republicans on the show that can debate all her bullshit? Always the same far left misfits, never any intelligent debates..
SNIDEMAN111 1 month ago
Smacked that bitch.
kenporich2006 2 years ago
God I hate Rachel "I Suck Pussy on a Daily Basis So Therefore Am More Sophisticated Than Most People" Maddow - but i hate David "I'm a Canadian Who Wants to Tell All Americans How To Live" Frum. . . . so I'm in a bit of a corner on this one. . . .
JoeLoro 2 years ago
Loved David Frum in this interview! Funny to see Maddow`s face as she is outsmarted. He is totally correct to say that people like Maddow is lowering the political discourse of the US, and there is a need for intelligent dicussion of the issues. Maddow is as dangerous as the "birthers" and town hall "protesters." Rude, sarcastic, smart-ass comments should not be used to dicuss serious issues. Good for you David!
ericclaptonismygod31 2 years ago
Why does she always say the word "about" like a Canadian when she is a California chick...
TheLittleJohnny 2 years ago
WhereMyDuragAt,looool.i was thinking the exact same thing about her emulating olberman before i read your post(so i'm not crazy i guess).any unbiased viewer of this vid will see how under qualified she is in the CableNews-shark Tank.Frum owned her here but was somewhat rude(yet telling the truth)when calling her show "a small plate of responsibility"
pineapplesurprise 2 years ago
all things aside, what i can't stand about maddow is that her cadence is exactly the same as olberman's. i am not even talking about what she says, its how she says it. SHE SPEAKS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS HIM. Its annoying and shows that she is UNORIGINAL. Its way to smug and planned. Its clear she is reading of a teleprompter, which all tv hosts do...put arent so obvious.
WhereMyDuragAt 2 years ago 2
I have thought that EXACT same thing. . . not to mention they are both complete morons (people with advanced degrees are dumber than those who make a living for themselves)
JoeLoro 2 years ago
of course she reads off of one, just like her hero obummer
lvking05 2 years ago
Wow...Maddow complains about calling people un-American.....someone should play this back in her smarmy face.
svxr8dr 2 years ago
Awesome, I couldn't have stated it better.
The sneering, sarcastic, smarminess of this chick's show is awful. I can't watch more than five minutes.
I don't understand the need of some politicos to belittle and demean their opponents, while couching it under the guise of "thoughtful sarcasm".
Frum FTW.
ifwm 2 years ago
David Frum is largely discredited, especially by Israeli intelligence, and AIPAC has better catch up by dissociating entirely, if they are to do the true task of lobbying for Israeli peace and security. Else, AIPAC acts against the interests of Israel, and will feel the consequences. Israel's real lobby will not stand by silently.
Gold2Credit 2 years ago
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He tries to illegitimize what Rachel has to say, not by actually responding to the substance of it but by whining about the delivery of it. I don't think he would do very well trying to debate Rachel on the issues so I guess the snippy little ambushes on her and her show are his only options. What an ass.
His face when he says "If it were important to you" -- what an ugly douche.
8394147 2 years ago
Well, this guy's strategy was obvious, but Rachel handled it well.
8394147 3 years ago
I am a liberal, an Obama supporter, and all, but I still don't see how Frum got pwned here. It was just the most asinine conversation I have ever seen in a long time. Maddow let him steal the interview and all she had to say was "it's not the same thing." Pathetic, almost as pathetic as Frum himself who now "flip-flopped" into somehow being a lover of civilized discourse.
brunilda 3 years ago
Is anyone falling for Maddows bullcrap equivalence argument. There isnt an equivalence to what she does and a death threat which turns out never happened. For some reason she feels is good logic to try to equate something not being brought up apparently to distract the topic. There "is" and equivalence to what she does and a political supporter ranting about items that lack substance instead of issues which could be much more informative about the real character of the candidates at the time.
gilmore2773 3 years ago 2
Now that the GOP is in the toilet, Frum audaciously comes on "The Rachel Maddow Show" and attempts to 'coach' her on bipartisanship and objectivity?! How ludicrous!! Where was this mindset during the last 8 years of dictatorship from the Bush Administration?
I would say he is an asshole, but seeing as how they have fallen into the toilet, he is just a piece of shit.
maxtexture 3 years ago 3
elegant, classy, and beautifully articulated
KidVolcano 3 years ago 5
Frum, the former Bush speechwriter, the man who gave the world the Axis of Evil trope, is in a dour mood for obvious reasons and I can see why Maddows too cheerful too teenage tone would irritate him. But something else contributes to his depression; he is a reasonably well informed conservative and well knows how deep and muddy is the ditch his party is mired in.
molloyx 3 years ago
Rachel Madcow is so biased she should just be completely honest in the name of her show. The DNC Propaganda Show. She slams anything related to the RNC and defends anything said negative about the DNC. She is nothing more that a propagandist for the DNC.
David Frum tried to bring her into a sensible interview but the 7th grader "Madcow" wouldn't allow it to be an intellectual interview. Why, because that is something she doesn't know how to do. She is a disgrace.
two2eagles 3 years ago
I have heard her name on different talk shows and decided to give her show a chance. Wow. What a waste of time that was. Her biased, leftist view is so blatant it's unbearable. This video was a good example of how liberals think snark and sarcasm are somehow valid forms of substantive journalism. What Frum was trying to get through to her went right over her head. Now I can see why MSNBC's ratings are always so poor.
keyzone72 2 years ago
A sad day in the news business.
I do not take David Frum's side of many issues, but on this occasion he raised serious points and expressed them clearly. She didn't get many of them, and misrepresented as many as she could.
Clearly an intelligent American, Maddow is queen of sarcasm. We all know how nice sarcasm is.
Conversations like this are in no way a meeting of equals. The person behind the news desk is, in fact, the boss. In this meeting, an obtuse, dishonest and unfair one.
kuninokunino 3 years ago 2
Well said!
keyzone72 2 years ago
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Geez, could MSNBC be any more biased??
Give me a break. They are so smug in their manner speaking. It makes me sick.
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Silberdachs 3 years ago
David Frum is philosophically 10 lbs of sh*t in a 5 lb bag.
GawdMachine 3 years ago 8
For someone who hasn't been doing this long, I was stunned by her precision and clarity in navigating and attack like this. On the other hand, from a professionalism standpoint, she didn't deal with it and move back to the topic(s) at hand; she let Frumm's accusations become the substance of the discussion. Still, I'm so impressed by her abilities.
blabberblabber 3 years ago 3
Books by David Frum:
"The Right Man, an Inside Look at the Bush White House"
"Comeback- Conservatism that can Win Again"
"Dead Right"
In "Dead Right", Frum advocates for reinstating the "social stigma" of homosexuals, single unmarried women & premarital sex & says he would like to see an increase in religion- not because of spritual reasons, but so society will be "better behaved"- that is so society can be more easily controlled.
And he lied to her staff se he could ambush Maddow.
christiv3 3 years ago 13
Do you think that the increase in single motherhood and sex only for pleasure's sake has improved our society? I ask this as the child of a good and hard working single mother.
Will you refute Frum's argument on the show, or just quibble about how he got on?
FAHayek89 3 years ago
FAHayek.. off subject, but I think that women should not be stigmatized (looked down on) b/c they are unmarried or have children. Men should be stigmatized if they don't support those children and women should be helped. I think women should learn more self-respect for their own bodies, which would reduce unplanned pregnancies and sex for pleasure.
christiv3 3 years ago
@christiv3 - Huh...all that from a closeted homosexual (Frum)
gombis666 1 year ago
Rachel Maddow is my hero.
PercivalHoward 3 years ago 3
Hey artvin1001, you have some intrestings points, just know that things do change, good, bad or indifferent!!!
zenmas8 3 years ago
Do you think her hari cut indicates she's a dyke?
artvin1001 3 years ago
One middle finger up!
UnconcernedCitizen 3 years ago
Every cloud has a silver lining. At least they're easier to spot.
iray2000 3 years ago
A speech writer for W.? How embarrassing for him to be responsible for the words that have come out of Bush's mouth. If I were David Frumm, I would tell people that I mopped the floors at an adult movie theater or something more respectable than a speech writer for Bush. No wonder he's so bitter.
XdaymanX 3 years ago 2
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LIBERAL?..You MUST BE KIDDING..this lesbian is so far left she falls off the table of sanity.Her Boss Soros wouldn't have hired her otherwise..It amazes me anyone listens to this disgusting individual!
Cassandrea007 3 years ago
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Hey, you're talking to folks who are looking for a free ride. There in lies their hops for BO. (BO, his initials, you know how sensitive he is about his middle name.)
Besides, what else would you expect from a liberal dyke. She and her girl friend have hopes of a legal union (BO and the liberals to the will save them)....can women have unions...hmmmm I guess with plastic toys they can.
artvin1001 3 years ago
"Hey, you're talking to folks who are looking for a free ride. There in lies their hops for BO."
You're right. So many people in this country at every election just look for the candidate that who promises to give them the biggest handout. That's why Reagan, who promised to remove all handouts and the like, won in a landslide, right?
textbasedboy 3 years ago
This coming from someone with the following in their profile:
"voted for Bush in '2004 PROUDLY."
You not only admit that you voted for him, but you're proud of it, yet you expect us to trust your judgment on who is far-left and disgusting?
Astounding.
textbasedboy 3 years ago 2
I LIKE THESE LADY[SHE HAS BALLS]
549863541 3 years ago
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Plastic ones, she wears them every night with her girly girl friend.
artvin1001 3 years ago
When she starts to reply to him at 4:22 he looks like he's being "scanned."
mlgordon75 3 years ago
A man who's rhetoric helped start a war that has cost over 4,000 American lives and nearly a million Iraqi lives, made 5 million homeless, and put this country into the worst debt in it's history, has the unmitigated GALL to lecture a Rhodes Scholar about her "tone"?
On honey, if she'd have lopped your dick off for that (presuming one could FIND that tiny, limp, wet noodle), she would have been justified. Her self-restraint was admirable.
Nu5by5 3 years ago 2
I thought he was supposed to talk about the Republicans seeming to back away from McCain...
These Republicans really won't answer any questions.
anonywho 3 years ago 4
That self serving punk...wants to quote Ghandi about civil discourse in Washington...8 years after he's benefited from the right wing fictional Noise media?...then to add more insult to injury ...comparing Rachel's factual reporting to Faux-fake-fixed- news?
He's wincing because he couldn't get away with his poor attempt at a spin job.
Bucksin07 3 years ago
David "the douchenozzle" Frum got his arrogant, rude ass handed to him by someone who is his intellectual superior. I LOVE IT.
ld217 3 years ago 2
And words like douchenozzle clearly show your intellectual supperiority.
FAHayek89 3 years ago
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Maddow = FAIL
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pwnd by Frum
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She's a tool. hahahaha
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gonzguard 3 years ago
If God created a more arrogant man than this jerk, I don't wanna know about it. Geez! She wasn't questioning whether there is a need to increase our nuclear arsenal she was making that point that Paul Wolfowitz shouldn't be the one in charge of that decision because like everyone in the Bush Administration, he's a lieing, two faced, self serving jerk...as is Mr. Frum apparently.
jrr21742 3 years ago 2
Talk about spreading libtard propaganda... None of those things were ever said at any McCain/Palin Rally.
But since 0bama's entire campaign is based on flashing the phony race card (when dumbfounded by fact and no reasonable defense can be cited)... why change now.
"typical" MSNBC lies
0bamasuckscock 3 years ago
she's got balls. a lot of guys who are not familiar with her try to talk down on her and she just cleans the floor with them. good for her.
canolorenzo 3 years ago
Rachel delivered a class A asswuppin' on the guy
areki38 3 years ago
Reps do seem to claim the right to be the greater assholes and louder big-mouths by default. When dems or their supporters respond just by setting the record straight, reps immediately start crying "no fair!".
This guy's proposal is this: let the reps have their slander, personal attacks, breaking of rules, threats, bullshit, and straight-to-your-face lies, but woe to any who'd call them out on that. Because that would be "inciting the debate".
Will it forever be that way in the US?
areki38 3 years ago 2
If conservatives in Germany would act the way reps do in the US, they'd be ostracised, and lose their jobs & their standing in society.
Really, a lot of the right's behaviour in the US is like a bad dream of, I have to say it, the nazis having their way after all. "Kill him!"? Wtf? I'm so glad Rachel finally said what should have happened at that moment. McCain saying:"This ain't how we do it", and the caller getting investigated by the secret service.
areki38 3 years ago
Obama pallin' around with terrorists? Palin as VP, let alone president if anything ever happened to McCain?
If McCain wins, after Bush stole the 2000 (and maybe even the 2004) election(s), America would be on its way straight from Banana-Republic to Bullshit-Country.
And, simply put, if that happens? - boy are we fucked, all of us.
areki38 3 years ago
McCain is a joke. Unfit to manage or lead.
Civsuccess2 3 years ago
whata coward. If he really cared about his party he'd say it to the people that need to hear it. Not, spread the blame. Go dump that load of manure on rush. and MAYBE i'll have respect for frum.. btw. i love rachel.
iray2000 3 years ago
Maddow's studio design is as weird as her dressing style at Leno and as plain as Gov. Palin
Unless you have something revolutionary stick with contemporary!
CoPiloT21 3 years ago
She is not a jerk
In a fox propaganda world to stand back and 'act' like unbiased has it's own danger
Gives you two term Bush!
CoPiloT21 3 years ago
Rachel did a great job handling Frum's meltdown. I agree with Regeman. It's nice that the left finally has a voice on prime time tv. This taste of their own medicine has the republicans fruming... I mean fuming.
Reveloution83 3 years ago
she's a jerk. not journalistic at all. left version of o'reilly.
p2sam 3 years ago
Rachel totally owned him.
I love Frum saying that he's trying to restore his party when he's one of the originals who threw it into chaos.
The good news is I think people are starting to see through the bullshit and being a partisan hack just doesn't cut it in interviews anymore.
Dxfiler 3 years ago
No, Rachel didn't totally owned him.If anything, he caught her off guard and the exchange got a little heated. Frum was honest enough to say that his own party (Republicans) need to fix alot of their own problems. Then he tries to tell Maddow that the tone in politics is lacking substance and uses her show as an example. She of course defends her style and throws a few pucnes back, but I think you're wrong to say she "totally owned" him. She didn't.
keyzone72 2 years ago
newsbusters(dot)org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/13/howard-stern-exposes-why-so-many-people-support-obama
Howard Stern Exposes Why So Many People Support Obama
stack63us 3 years ago
As David Brooks noted this week, the Republican party has become the anti-education, anti-intellectual party. And boy are we seeing some of that in recent posts here. Happy to see that there are crackers in Canada (that's you Easy). Need some tickets to the creationist museum?
Regenman2222 3 years ago 2
She/he/it just got their childish shtick exposed for what it is. Pandering to the lowest uncommon denominator while pretending to be a typically liberal elitist snot. No wonder their ratings are in the tank. Who are their sponsors, Playdoh?
Zapalicious 3 years ago
The more appropriate question is why Frum is implementing a false equivalence when he's had plenty of "opportunity" to urge O'Reilly, Rush, and Hannity to do better the past 15 years. Odd "logic" right (if you're capable of even parsing logic)?
Regenman2222 3 years ago
Maddow's ratings are actually very impressive, especially considering this is a new show. She's even beat Larry King.
pmsanche 3 years ago 3
Rachel just got caught with her hands in the cookie jar.
This woman, Air America, DailyKos, etc. have done their part. She just got owned.
Axion44 3 years ago
Frum was basically saying there needs to be more substance in polital news and used her show as an example of what he's talking about. I think he did a good job of pointing that out, but fans of Maddow will disagree.
keyzone72 2 years ago
The context of some of FOX's shows clearly show the pundits being Biased, however they do give a balanced report, they promote objectivity, you get to see both sides, and they aren't just out right nasty about it. NBC sucks, and CNN is almost as bad. Even Hillary Clinton recently announced that FOX was the most balanced.
issmech 3 years ago
Hillary Clinton is not a liberal, so I don't see your point.
pmsanche 3 years ago
the point issmech was trying to make in bringing up Hillary's comment is that she''s a popular Democrat who's openy stated that FOX is fair and balanced. when a major Democrat says that Fox News is Fair and Balanced, you have to consider the possibility that is actually is.
keyzone72 2 years ago
But you seem to forget that Democrats are really a moderate party, not a left wing party. Hillary is Republican Light. Even if she weren't I wouldn't buy what she was saying. I've seen Fox News quite enough to find out it's not "fair and balanced". And I don't care to watch anymore. But you go ahead and rot your brain. It's a free country.
pmsanche 2 years ago
bullshit,fox isn't balanced,fox is anti-Obama and pro- Mccain,fox is for the republicans,where as nbc is fair and balanced,they talk about Mccain and Obama equally,Fox is the worst,they mines as well be part of the Mccain campaign
tuzwol 3 years ago
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Looks like another liberal empty suit with a sexual identity crisis. Live on TV for the whole world to laugh at.
HA HA HA
Zapalicious 3 years ago
There were probably like 20 people tops that heard the bad remarks from the Mccain supporters, Im sure it happens at Democratic debates also. By slOLberman, and Madcow blasting this to their audience they are worse than the lunatic supporters that actually said it. MSNBC causes more hate than any radical ever thought about. Everytime I see Olberman come on tv I switch channels, he is an arrogant prick, even when he does the NFL. NBC lost me I'm done with them.
issmech 3 years ago
On another show, the host would've cut him off and shouted him down. Rachel...class all the way. Ugly tone! Some of the most ugly, natsy comments in this campaign came from conservative talk show hosts about Hillary Clinton. Were was frum then??? The double standard - always in effect with these guys.
stefffie68 3 years ago
Absurdity begs satire. Mark Twain was "uncivil" too. Get a sense of humor. Compare her discussion with one Hannity, O'Rielly, or Limbaugh would've had. She allowed Frum to speak. She wasn't hostile, but engaged him to explain his assertions, to which he made the mistake of premising on a poorly picked comparison.
Khirad 3 years ago
I love Maddow's "What me?" act. Gosh, she just CAN'T believe that she's part of the uncivil discourse. What a laugh.
onechord55 3 years ago
Apropos of nothing, Rachel Maddow is so hot.
cosmos34 3 years ago
Maddow is a raving lesbo
nodem2 3 years ago
Wow... Rachel Maddow is incredible. She doesn't pound back with a sledgehammer; she conceals it in a pillowcase. It leaves few humiliating, visible bruises but the damage and pain is clearly felt. Poor Mr. Frum probably came away from that pounding not knowing quite what he was hammered with.
I find rachel's wit and bits of humor on a higher level of intelligence. Always thoughtful and in appropriate context. Always worth watching & listening to. Ms. Palin couldn't hold a lamp to Ms. Maddow.
DrFlippin 3 years ago
yeah, Frum, until we hear everything that Wolfowitz has to say about rearming with nuclear weapons, the progressive movement is not being open to new ideas. sophistry only works when it's sophisticated.
annarboriter 3 years ago
give me a break. all these comments are clearly drawn along the party line. frum's right she has to grow up, she can give it out but can't take it.
gaisensei67 3 years ago
Rhodes scholar, PH.D. Maddow kills them with nothing but facts. Don't even make the comparison with faux news.
Obamaissmarter 3 years ago
Good idea not to make that comparison, since Overbite and MadCow get pummelled in the ratings night after night by Fox.
Oh, and I'm not sure who Obama is smarter than, exactly; but it clearly isn't anyone who knows how many states there are or the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day.
ritwingr 3 years ago
There are more people with IQ's less than 100 who flock to Faux news than any other TV program on cable. Maybe that's why you cannot appreciate the reasoning behind Rachel's argument.
Only in America can you have a high school drop out, Glenn Beck, and college drop out, Rush Limbaugh...be successful in this country, because there are so many stupid people such as yourself supporting them.
Bucksin07 3 years ago
Why run from it? You're party appeals to stupidity. The majority of people voted for Bush because he is most likely you can have a beer, toxic drink that destroys your brain cells,...with.
Bucksin07 3 years ago 2
C average in college BUSH, 5th to the bottom of his class Mccain, transfers from 5 schools in her undergrad Palin....Boy you can pick the dullest bulbs in the drawer.
Bucksin07 3 years ago
yup they pick em so that way they don't interfere with the actual elitist agenda of screwing the people over.
eacuna05 3 years ago
Then again, that was a C average in Harvard and Yale. And that was near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, statistically the most exclusive college or university in the country. I'm no Bush fan, but could you have gotten into either?
FAHayek89 3 years ago
Quick answer YES.
I have a M.d. degree, I went to one of the top 5 liberal arts colleges in the nation. My sister graduated with honors at Yale undergrad, Yale med school, Hopkins in Ophthalmology. Both my parents have Ph.D's, father has a M.D. If you are impressed with Bush and Mccain's grades, simply because of the institutions their relatives got them into...I really feel sorry for you.
Bucksin07 3 years ago 2
Gotten in on merit...not because my grandfather was an admiral in the navy,
..or my father was a congressman whose family has assets over 10-20 million dollars.
Its amazing how you can spin people who admittingly partied in school and didn't take education seriously.
Bucksin07 3 years ago 3
GW Bush & McCain would not have passed yje general entrance criteria.
If my parents were in their position I could pull the same strings.
The institutions are ashamed of these alumni, their success goes against the very promise that hard work & effort is rewarded.
xdir 3 years ago 2
Your comment about people with IQ's less that 100 flocking to Fox News is typical of the way a Lberal expresses themselves. If someone participates in something a liberal disagrees with, you simply ridcule them & call them stupid. Liberals for some reason always think the are smarter, more sophisticated, more compassionate & more enlightened than everyone else. After reading Rachel Maddow's Bio, I respect her for earning a PH.D in politics, but her blatent biased view makes her lose credibility.
keyzone72 2 years ago
She didn't vote for W twice or believe the load of crap spewed for 8 years i.e. Iraq War, environment, limiting stem cell research, deregulating banking industry, bringing us to economic collapse...on and on and on. Take your lumps like a man and when your party finally wises up.... maybe they will deserve the respect that you are searching for.
bms4lifem3 2 years ago
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This is sad.
This clip is another tired example of Left vs Right. Red state fascists vs Blue state communists. Bloods vs Crips.
Cover the facts, not the absurd horse race between two political monopolies. If I want rude commentary, sarcasm and jokes, I want to watch it on the Daily Show and NOT on FOX or MSNBC or CNN.
What's worse is that many shows are even worse than this. I hate what news has become. Too partisan, too opinionated, too stupid and no facts.
chunga777 3 years ago
Right wingers don't appreciate sarcasm by left-leaning news commentators? Could the problem be that right wingers simply lack the intelligence and academic preparation to "get" the sarcasm?
Rachel Maddow's audience consists mainly of college graduates, while the "fair and balanced" shows are viewed primarily by drop outs and other evangelicals.
Comparing McCain/Pailin lynch-mob rousing "speeches" to sarcastic exposing of Republican hypocrisies is part of the problem. Fix your own fly!
polkadotbox2 3 years ago 3
Damn... she handled that very well. Now that's professionalism!
TheEggBeast 3 years ago 2
she really did..! i would hav lost it a long time ago..!
blueswirlz 3 years ago
I'll take Maddow's witty commentary filled with facts over Frum's content-free lecturing any day of the week. Frum holds himself up as someone who is more respectful of our democracy (notice his "serious" tone) , but Frum and his neo-con buddies are ALWAYS WRONG.
Wrong on Iraq, Wrong on the economy.
You'll get more true information and facts from a Colbert Report episode filled with "sarcastic tone" than you will from the loony ramblings of ex-Canadian David Frum.
ChrisM70 3 years ago 6
Maddow and Olbermann ridicule the hypocrisy of (mostly right-wing) politicians. The problem is making an equivalency between that and what Rush, Hannity, Borz, Savitch and others do, which is foment hatred, division, bigotry, and narrow-mindendness. (Notice that I didn't mention O'Reilley, who, while extremely obnoxious, is not as bad as the others). Olbermann and Maddow are a response to the shock jocks and what they do is for more intelligent and generous than their right-wing counterparts.
fueradeljuego 3 years ago 3
"I don't think that's an important question"
bwahahahahah good one frummy
timpedersen 3 years ago 3
You watch Frum and it occurs to me that he is just waking up out of an 8 year coma. He hasn't quite realized that people are not going to lap up his swill like they did when he trumped up the evidence to start the Iraqi war. Get used to it, Frum, you got a lot of explaining to do. You don't get to BS your way out of this. Facts matter.
stealth63 3 years ago 10
I wish all exchanges among pundits, hosts, and commentators could be this engaging. This form of argument and disagreement is refreshing and stimulating.
redteamla 3 years ago 4
Rachel Maddow = American hero!!
watnabe 3 years ago 5
I have great respect for Rachel Maddow and her professionalism, because I would've went to town on Frum once he began attacking me. Everything is ripe for satire, regardless of the subject's political affiliation, and if you get mad because your candidate was exposed as a fraud through satire then the joke is really on you. Great job Rachel. Keep up the great work! You earned it!
EFunkRock 3 years ago 4
From has a poin in reguard to tone. However it has been the racism of the McCain/palin campaign which has set that tone . In Canada whare David is from such overately racist comments pointing to Obama as dangerous, foreign and a threat would not be tolerated by tolerated by any political party.
rennnie 3 years ago
From "can't we all get along" to "you're a big poopyhead!" in 60 seconds flat. Impressive stuff, Dave.
fluorophore 3 years ago
so, according to Frum, Rachel is in some way responsible for the truly ugly political discourse in US? He can't be THAT stupid, can he?
in light of what Kristol sayd yesterday and Frum's unintensionally funny statement on the show the NR and cons are simply loosing it
valgehiir 3 years ago
Why republicans think the dems don't view threats to america I will never understand.
Just because they don't fly off the handle and attempt to nuke anything that looks at america funny doesn't mean they will not take a serious threat seriously.
Rantandreason 3 years ago
David Frum: Maddow making jokes about McCain = McCain supporters shouting "kill him"
Right.
REpubliTARDED 3 years ago
Rachel Maddow handled that much better than I would've. Frum is a bully who went in looking for a fight and didn't stop even when he realized he wouldn't be getting one. He's like the child who picks on another to lower them to their level so they get in trouble. There's no excuse for that.
johncage1000 3 years ago 5
Frum should have to give up his Canadian Citizenship.
Wonder if his family here has disowned his Hell bound ass?
I'm sure his mother, famed broadcaster here in Canada, is turning in her grave?
ROOKTABULA 3 years ago 4
One other thought: I am SICK of these BASTARDS with their condescending "the adults are in charge" (or should be) attitude.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago 3
Mr. Self Righteous Frum!The NEOCONS, do you notice that they can't smile or laugh? They have a certain kind of snarl. It isn't pretty! Rachel has one of the best shows on TV. And the polls show it. : ) Maybe the neocons are getting taken over by the republicans, the party that they tried to hi-jack!
lilbirdy25 3 years ago 3
The notion that Frum could say that Maddow's comments are at all comparable to the bile coming out of the McCain camp and from his supporters is just mendacity. Frum should be ashamed, as should Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
Yes i watched the same interview and Maddows ugly ass was backpedaling the whole time. As far as watching Hannity...he has far more ratings than anybody at BSNBC. I know you are mesmerised by Obama but you should try comparing his policies on his website to those of the Socialist Party website. They are the same just worded differently. Obama is a Marxist and has a view not from the constitution but the Communist Manifesto. Try to open your mind a bit I am not even a republican and despise mcain
coldasice209 3 years ago
Frum doubts someone yelled out kill him at a rally? He's trying his best to change the tone of his party? IF John McCain were making threats of violence, that would be REALLY bad?? I would hope that he would be arrested! And McCain not having any control to stop this kind of violence yelled out in his crowd has shown that he welcomes it. I've seen secret service take someone out of a crowd that is protesting the war and NOT have one taken out that yells out kill him , I wonder where they are!
lilbirdy25 3 years ago
Soon Obama gunna be running teh show. Then teh war criminal Bush will be put on trial and sent to prison. New age is dawnin with a brother running things. No more racist white bullshit. The grand ol party is fucking finished. Nobody wants the racist fuckers anymore.
bigbruthaman 3 years ago
David Frum blaming Liberals for the racist lunacy in the GOP. Quite fresh. The assertion is so silly, that Maddow didn't even have to bother.
Americans: please accept my apology as a Canadian, for unleashing a monster such as David Frum on your unsuspecting nation. No country deserves such a moron invading their TV sets.
FilipeBrasAlmeida 3 years ago 2
Don't worry about it. That Right Wing crap is a local product. If anything, we should apologize to you for our "export".
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
She got her ass handed too her in this conversation. Its funny that she had a failed radio program and was rewarded with a tv program.
coldasice209 3 years ago
Did you see the same interview? Frum sat there and blew--you need to watch a little less Hannity.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
Palin has a set of knockers to beat the band, but nothing above them.
oceanbound222 3 years ago
Or maybe you're just not bright enough to understand what she's saying.
dbmcvey 3 years ago 2
can't wait to see frum give these same criticisms on his next appearance on fox...
but i won't hold my breath.
nicknonsense303 3 years ago
Funniest line in the show: Frum quoting Ghandi?
Give me a farking break, you neocon swine.
integral 3 years ago
Sure, she's left of center. Good balance to that Hannity douchebag.
oktober69105 3 years ago
Racheal Madcow and Keith Girlyman are the reasons that BSNBC is the lowest rated news network.
coldasice209 3 years ago
Go Rachel!!
alinefx 3 years ago
Damn! She is one cool cat!
aagha 3 years ago
This is such a pantload,....this guy is one of the bastards that helped Bush and Cheney lie this nation into a war by invoking fear of non-existent WMDs and now he says we need to "get serious"?
Okay, buddy, wanna get serious? Fine. How does a trip to the International Criminal Court sound to you? You get get all the "serious" you can handle there as you try to keep yer ass out of jail with the rest of the Bush Crime Family.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
Cool maybe he can get in line behind all the people who voted against the war on the UN security council because the leagal legitimacy of this war was in no way tied to a corrupted UN program that stole food from the mouths of starving Iraqis and empowered their leader to push a few more of them through a plastic shredder in from of their parents. It is sad how people like you want to be so liked by such a corrupt group of individuals.
EasyEs 3 years ago
That whole "oil for food" NON-SCANDAL was a Right Wing LIE. Same goes for your "Plastic Shredder" that turned out to yet ANOTHER Right Wing LIE. Same goes for the "Mass Graves". You guys devote so much outrage over MADE UP bullshit but don't give a DAMN that millions of people have DIED because of out and out violations of International LAW. And to think that you were the ones chanting "RULE OF LAW" all through the Clinton Years.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
No mass graves in Iraq? or rape rooms or children prison. No mass graves in Kurkuk with hundreds of children buried alive? You are willing to belive that never exsisted but that millions of people died in iraq despite the fact the Iraqi Health ministry and the UN disagree with you.
The plastic shredder I can doubt but that isn't important to me. Also what evidence do you bring that the oil for food theft was a lie?
EasyEs 3 years ago
Why don't you go to the UN website and see for yourself. Or are you afraid you'll get cooties?
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
BTW: The really PATHETIC THING is that you actually thought you were being CLEVER with that crap. "Oh yeah, let's jail all the people who voted against the war because they were getting money from the terrible dictator".
.......SHEEZE.......
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
So you think that people creating the conditions for one party breaking the law were in the process breaking laws is a proper way to decide the fate of a genocidal dictator who was about to become enormously wealthy due to skyrocketing oil prices.
EasyEs 3 years ago
This is exactly the kind of "false comparison" this video talks about. You equate the illegal invasion of a fellow member of the United Nations and the slaughter of innocent people with anyone trading with Saddam was ALSO "the enemy" just because you consider Saddam to have been "the enemy" (despite the FACT that he NEVER threatened the United States and wasn't behind 9/11). You also didn't bother to note in the "oil for food program" that the biggest violators were companies in the U.S.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
What does being a member of the United Nations have to do with anything? Also sorry it is 2008 and connections to pre AQ Al-Zawahiri are backed up by documents from the regime. Saddam threatened the United States hundreds of times over Iraqi national airwaves he also shot at American aircraft enforcing the no fly zones daily for 12 years. Why do you assume I thought Saddam was behind 911? Saddam was incredibly dangerous and a bad calculator of risks. He had to go.
EasyEs 3 years ago
First of all, it's not up to the United States to say who gets to stay and who gets to go. Sorry to break it to you but we aren't the owners of the world. Second of all, it's called "TREATIES". Ones we signed and helped WRITE that CREATED the United Nations and we are in VIOLATION of those treaties AND International Law by waging a War of Aggression. That's what NAZI Germany was guilty of. You Morans prolly don't even know it's against International Law to even THREATEN war with another country.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
I am sorry who gets to say? The French who didn't ask for UN approval before the obliterated the air force of the Ivory coast in 2004 and helped overthrow Laurent Gbagbo. The Russians or Chinese who oppose the UN at every turn. What war of aggression the one enforcing UN mandates against genocide (kurds marsh arabs) the convention against the imprisonment and exicution children that requires members to act. The violation of countless ceasefire agreements that break UN law?
EasyEs 3 years ago
You forgot Israel who doesn't even want to admit it has nukes and is in violation of 68 UN Resolutions.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
I agree if Israel has nukes they should disclose them. Israel has a UN bias against it. In 2004 the UN had 3 emergency security meetings regarding Israel. Keep in mind the UN didn't call one regarding Dafur,Rewanda, Kosovo, the Russian Georgian Conflict. This tells me a great deal. Can you honestly say in light of this that the UN treats that situation reasonably.
EasyEs 3 years ago
It's not a question of "if" Israel has nukes. Google "Dimona". A thing to note is every bomb has a unique isotope signature that can trace it's origin back to where it was made. None of the nukes Israel has made are on on the international lists so they're untraceable back to them. This means they can give one of their nukes to Bush to blow up an American city and they can claim it was from Iran.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
The could do that, or a in a world based on reality a huge cargo ship from Iran heading for Israel was a huge dirty bomb filled with a powdery fine sandy soil. I suppose the Somali pirates who hijacked it and were losing their hair and falling over dead must have caught something from their food.
EasyEs 3 years ago
You simply pick and choose what UN treaties and Mandates you want to enforce and the ones you don't sorry if you want to play by the rules you better argue with someone eles. Oh yeah violation of the UN mandate against sponsoring terrorism you forgot that one.
Saddam lost the rights to what ever minor sovereignty Iraq had left after a decade of sanctions. America enforced the rules while others were happy to let Iraq rot. I am Canadian by the way. We just swung more right tonight!
EasyEs 3 years ago 2
"EasyEs: I am Canadian by the way. We just swung more right tonight!"
Only because of the carbon tax. And yer still in the minority.....
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
About 10 seats away from a majority with the Bloc making a fuss in Quebec over arts funding. The largest seating of Minority MPs and immigrants as well.
Canadians are tired of quasi socialism and our state run media bombarded us daily with horror stories about the right. Regardless Europe is swinging right as well. Have fun gathering up a trillion $ by closing loopholes and windfall profit taxes on 75$ oil. God you guys are screwed real smart
EasyEs 3 years ago
"EasyEs: God you guys are screwed real smart"
Oh yeah? It just came out today that McCain's transition chief was a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
Great fire the guy throw him in jail I am no big fan of McCain or a huge amount of Republicans. There is tones of money in peace because then trade flows. I am not sure but the peace that follows in Iraq will be far more profitable then the war ever was.
EasyEs 3 years ago
The nuber one problem with the United Nations is our lack of participation. The Right Wing HATES the UN because it's all about "peace" and there's no money in peace. They're too busy using fear to rally their base who are a bunch of cowards and look to Republicans as their heroes that will keep them safe from imaginary threats or real threats the Republicans create.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
Could it be that the right wing has an issue with a United Nations that places Lybia on a human rights commission or gives the same veto power to Russian and Chineese authoritarian states that it gives to free France or the U.K. and denies to even larger democratic states like India? Could it be that there are more important values than peace - values like freedom -- values that a body that gives China and Russia veto power can never hope to advance?
FAHayek89 3 years ago
Did it ever occur to you that we could use our seat at the UN more effectively if we didn't keep putting in asshats like John Bolten? Bush's idea of "freedom" is the freedom to hold people without trial and to torture them. BTW: I don't know if you caught the news but Russia isn't an authoritarian state anymore. China is a Capitalist wet dream with tons of cheap (slave) labor and so is India.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
Bolton admittedly lacked some diplomatic skills, but he spent his time in the UN calling attention to blatant corruption and fraud. Do you oppose standing against corruption or do you deny the UN is rife with it?
Putin holds nominal elections but arrests political opposition before the election and controls the media. That is authoritarian.
A free market is a necessary component of a free society, but it is not sufficient. China is still a politically and socially repressive state.
FAHayek89 3 years ago
That whole "Oil For Food" thing was only a scandal in Right Wing circles. The rest of the world knew it was a clown show by Republicans. Dmitry Medvedev is the President of Russia and Putin is now doing swimsuit calendars. Finally, the market is not "free" and never has been and is NOT related to "freedom". Do you honestly define "freedom" as "selling stuff"? If that's the case we could all show the world our freedom by having a garage sale.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
You find Oil for Food and Libya having a seat on the Human Rights Commission good honest government?
Putin is still Prime Minister and Medvedev was his handpicked successor. He arrested political opposition and holds complete control over the press to ensure his grip on power.
Property rights require a free market and are a necessary (not sufficient) condition for freedom.
Do you think China is free? Can I practice my religion of choice there? Can I criticize the government?
FAHayek89 3 years ago
Oil for Food was a fake scandal driven by Cheney, turns out the number one violators were US firms. (Including Halliburton under Cheney, which is how he knew the details) Countries take turns on various Commissions, it's good to teach. Freedom is NOT about buying and selling. That's like politicians defining peace between nations as a stupid trade agreement. (Often screwing over the workers of one nation or another)
Freedom is when you can be what you want and the State doesn't care.
SpitfireOFatj 3 years ago
So you think that repressive states learn by being placed on human rights commissions? I think they subvert the purpose of the commission.
I didn't say freedom was about buying and selling alone, but if I am to "do what I want," the state must show due respect to my property rights.
Statistically, free trade tends to benefit societies economically and raise even the lowest income levels in the long term, but it is a bit complex for 500 letters.
FAHayek89 3 years ago