@brettkeanedotcom no, anyone who takes him at his word instead of investigating and critically considering anybody's actions is a blind follower. i can support people while still being critical of them.
@brettkeanedotcom I'm not fighting for DawahFilms. He's a grown man and I'm pretty sure he's more than capable of articulating his own ideas in defense of any positions he holds. This is about calling Thunderf00t out on a major inconsistancy with his story and his most loyal blind followers for not checking the information for themselves.
What violence are you talking about? I haven't tried to be violent at all.
And no, you don't understand. You're an atheist. Yes, you're a minority in the U.S. but I gather you and other atheists are STILL treated far better than the Muslim community.
Last time I checked atheists weren't being detained without trial or assassinated by their own governments .
Do you have ANY clue what its like being a Muslim in the United States?
I see so many people feeling empathetic for those with different sexual lifestyles being assaulted, harassed, or their lives destroyed in the U.S. and elsewhere, but for some strange reason when these sort of things happen to the Muslim community most of you don't even bat an eye.
From what I've heard, this advertisement for 'skeptic in the pub' was sent out to very few people. And furthermore it didn't give out the name of the university Phil was working at.
@oliverscott2007 it was linked all over twitter, and the only person I've seen give away Phil's university to the public would be Phil himself. Also, the only person I've seen mention his city. So can we call it "doc dropping" when the information given was freely available by Phil's own hand? o_O This is where the story doesn't add up for me.
William, he did "Doc" drop Thunderf00t....he JUST HAD a video up called "Doc Dropping Thunderf00t" it's down now, but it was a Google map of his house. and it could have had his name in it too.
You people are shameful. The video in question was by a user named "snogger" and is in the link in the info box of this very video. The address was to a pub in california where Tf00t was giving a speech at a conference of skeptics. The reason the video was significant is because it had Tf00ts REAL NAME in the description near the address where he was going to speak. It proved that his real name has been public for months now.
@Lusa5 this just begs the question, then, of why you would accuse someone on your skype friends list as the perpetraitor of a video that wasn't even uploaded to his channel. It's quite convenient, I find, that when Venomfangx isn't Thunderf00t's little scapegoat, Ali is. I could call Thunderf00t a raginging genocidal loon, a repugnant waste of server space, a liar and a coward. And somehow, in Phil's little mind, my thoughts words and actions there were Ali's fault.
Because he did do it, god I saw it! he did it! I supposed he "shared" it instead of upload it...but then again I swear I saw it in "uploads".
My point is. He did something stupid then got himself into trouble. I don't understand why you all don't point that out. instead you all back him up encouraging him to start more shit.
@Lusa5 Life really is too short to avoid "doing something stupid" but I sense that's not the problem. The issue at hand here is really that Thunderf00t didn't like the fact Ali stuck up for that muslim girl on here. It is because of that, Thunderf00t started trying to stir all this up again and make the issue about his name, which he was advertising a while prior. My sole intention with this video is to ask the question why Thunderf00t makes his anonymity a big deal now, but not when touring.
oh yeah I saw like...some of that video, Well, that video was stupid because it was Ali throwing a pissy fit.
You know what a good response to Thunderf00t is when he says something stupid?
Remember when thunderf00t said something real stupid about "Swine Flu" and TheAmazingAtheist responded with that video where he coughs then falls to the ground and pops up with a pig Mask and totally makes fun of TF.
That's the best response Sarcasm. TF doesn't have a sense of humor.
Wow, it's rather funny how his name is out there and yet he's bitching about doc dropping....really? Also, I love the comments from people who support tf. This is why many theists believe atheists are assholes that have a hive mind and what not. Because of shit like this.
Anyway, ty for bringing this to my attention, nice to know that tf seems to be goin off the deep end with this one. How the mighty have fallen. He should've never shown his face.
I didn't want to renew this argument because I thought everything had been dredged up.
I was actually absent for a few months at the time of the drama. So my ignorance on this is somewhat excusable, For others, And DawahFilms himself, It isn't.
You asked for clarification. And you got it. 'the sleeping giant' thunderf00ts video has been up for over a year now. And you still haven't retracted and apologized for your statement even with clarification.
@thecreepyguy he shouldn't have to retract shit. the only thing that Phil clarified is that he is indeed calling for a jihad against all muslims. rational people, however, tend to be of the impression that believing in a religion is not a capital offense.
@DawahFilms But you will admit that you have not seen that video up until now? Even though It's been up for over a year? You complain of thunderf00t and his audience not listening to you because he's a much more popular Youtuber. Well what right do you have to make such an argument when you don't even pay attention to what thunderf00t says?
"the only thing that Phil clarified is that he is indeed calling for a jihad against all muslims"
Please explain the logical difference between "Calling for jihad against all Muslims", or as Dawah accused him of "calling for genocide" and the condition given by Dawah's warning of... "trying to awaken a sleeping giant hostile to any innocent person"?
@TheFouthHokage ignoring his ass lead to these cries for help in which he commited several criminal offenses and subjected an innocent man to numerous death threats for the greivous crime of believing in the qur'an. and if we don't stand up against injustice, who will do so in our place?
@DawahFilms That link on your page doesn't work and you blocked me on your page although I didn't say anything to you that was anywhere near as bad as the things you've said to me.
Why do you say "no wonder thunderf00t is afraid to go home"?
@DickJohnson3434 Let me get this straight... DawahFilms blocks you, and you come over here onto my video to kick up shit with him? I don't give a damn about you or your panties being in a knot, and I'm pretty sure noone else does. Stop being a whiny bitch over a block and grow the fuck up already. Has YouTube really come to this?!
@DawahFilms O_o I fail to see how that's funny. *sigh*
The only thing worse than a raving paranoid lunatic will always be his cultish followers.
Phil v Ali will always come down to a bigotted genocidal maniac vs a scapegoat the former will attempt to send an angry, illiterate, uneducated and violent mob after.
It's crystal clear to everyone with eyes and skeptical eye that Thunderf00t is the terrorist he so desperately wishes you were.
DawahFilms SUCKS. He's boring, sanctimonious, and stupid. Thunderfoot is at least intelligent. Why you always choose to stick up for such a fool I'll never understand.
And this bullshit about how he was persecuted. AGAIN, Hyperbole, Sanctimony.
Seriously, though, I am rather fond of Ali as a person - and I would have to say that were I in his shoes I would not be able to handle this bullshit as well as he has. I also despise Thunderf00t and the way he uses ideas like "freedom of speech" and "science" as a punchline.
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Already debunked days before you posted your video.
1. If Thunderf00t's details were so terribly common, why was this information being used as a threat?
2. Phil Mason is a common name (Google it) and that's a pub address, not a home/other private address.
3. That link doesn't include information on his family member
Sorry, but unless someone's prepared to equate a common name and pub address with private identifying details including those of family members, your argument falls apart.
What evidence do you have that DF is spreading the personal details of TF's family members?
If you don't have any evidence then you should pull your head in. Unless of course you don't believe Muslims have any rights, in which case you can go right ahead.
@KevinSolway that's in fact, the claim: that details of his family member were revealed (that DawahFilms claims he didn't release anything on ThunderF00t's "brother", when TF just said information was being released on a "family member" is suspect). So in other words, you're trying to defend something when you don't have all the facts. And I couldn't give a flying rat if the doc dropping is done by someone who believes in Allah, Mithras or cosmic teapots, it's still wrong.
I know it's your claim. What I'm saying is "Where is your evidence?" Don't you care about evidence? Do you think it's okay to believe anything you want?
And I don't consider that reporting TF to his University is "Doc dropping", but that's a separate matter.
@DawahFilms Two wrongs don't make a right Dawah. And trying to intimidate someone by dropping hints of their personal details in order to try to silence them shows that you're incapable of defending your beliefs with real information, only with threats and intimidation. You can't really have much to go on in such case, can you?
WTF are you talking about? I can defend my beliefs just fine. I accept criticism of my religion AND I respond with criticism in several videos. The fact that you've bought into this idea that "Muslims cant accept criticism" is what is ruling your interpretation of these events.
This is not about Tf00t "criticizing" my religion, but DEFAMING ME. Its like you seem to think its funny to be accused of being a terrorist these days or something.
@DawahFilms In that case, if you think your religion is defensible... why resort to intimidatory tactics and blockades to try to keep people from demonstrating how it doesn't work? After all, if you thought you had a legal case against TF, you'd just talk to lawyers... who would inform you to avoid getting into a public slanging match with TF in order to avoid damaging your own case (which you've very successfully done over the past five days). Yet another part of your story falls apart.
@DawahFilms I wouldn't necessarily say you're accepting of criticism. You react very harshly towards criticism, just look at how you react towards Klingschor.
@DawahFilms How was he insulting you at first? I mean later on he had a video calling you a moron but as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) after you were rude a year back towards him and even blocked him for disagreeing. Also you tried to claim he was censoring you which is false (another reason I'm skeptical of your claims). And the video was answering your bizarre claim of pakistani muslim women being strong, which is not the case.
So you're saying Pakistani women are weak? Have you ever met a Pakistani woman?
And no, he has continuously sent me smartass PMs. He also defended SmilingSkeptic and said he would "rip my fucking spine out" for messing with him even after he stated to me that what was between me and him was none of his business.
@DawahFilms "So you're saying Pakistani women are weak? Have you ever met a Pakistani woman?"
Yes and yes. I kind of have a thing for Pakistan in fact.
As to what you say about Klingschor, doesn't sound anything like him but I guess I'll find out pretty soon. Even though the guy seems rather arrogant (because he knows everything about Islam he thinks he can talk on other subjects, like religion in US history, as an authority) he doesn't come off as someone with "issues"
@ProgressiveAudio he has never reacted negatively to me expressing any disagreements i had and problems i had with his faith. i think the difference here might be that I actually listen to him and respond to him instead of forcing a trite and dangerous stereotype into any nook i can find, regardless of what was actually being said. I suppose this separates me from Phil and Klingschor. I'm very proud to be set apart from the first and know too little about the second to care either way.
@williamcardno "I suppose this separates me from Phil and Klingschor." I don't think that describes Klingschor at all. You won't find a guy more interested in discussing Islam and more interested in using primary sources from muslims than him. But because he uses the sources to show Islam to be not in line with reality, DawahFilms is very intolerant towards him.
@williamcardno I imagine like anyone else people react differently towards other people? Some people act nicer in wider audiences too? (me for example) I'm not sure how this invalidates him being intolerant towards criticism. From what I saw of the debate, happycabbie was more asking about Islam. Most muslims like talking about it because its a proselytizing religion. This pakistani guy I talk to on e-mail can't shut up about it :p
@ProgressiveAudio I tend to like asking questions to. If I have an issue with something someone says, i tend to ask them about it instead of brashly asserting myself. Even if it's a very coy non-question question (like the one in this video) - it helps the discussion to merely state observations, how you view them and then finally cap it with a question to allow the other side to address my objections instead of just saying "I'm right and that's it"
@Aaron1975melbourne I have yet to find where details of that family member were revealed. you cannot just declare by fiat that something extraordinary and heinous is true without proper evidence to back it up. Also, it wasn't being used as a threat; DawahFilms' video didn't hold thunderf00t's docs over his head, but rather stated he would be informing his employers of the videos which certainly would violate faculty policy - if he is indeed in a faculty position.
@williamcardno So in your head, there's no problem because Thunderf00t's name was public. But information on his family member isn't, so because that wasn't public, that's no problem to find and distribute that either. That's about as inconsistent as you can get.
DF saying "Dr. Phil, what else would I call you?" was an implied threat to reveal more publicly. If he was going to just contact employers, why not do so, why say so in that way? You really haven't thought this through, have you?
@williamcardno Doc dropping is to seek private information, receive it, and then send it to third parties without the consent of the person concerned. It does not require it to be broadcast. So it's perfectly possible to doc drop without it being a Google top ten item. You're using double-standards here:
> TF's name was publicly available but was still possible to doc drop other details
> His brother's details weren't publicly available but that's irrelevant to whether he was doc dropped
@DawahFilms All this does is confirm that you doc dropped, as a result of someone else doc dropping. It doesn't magically turn into something else purely because you weren't the original instigator.
That's like saying a fence didn't commit a crime simply because they weren't the original stealers of something, they merely knowingly accepted stolen goods. Sorry but that's not how things work.
@Aaron1975melbourne if "Phil" is dropping TF's docs, then throw me in that camp for linking a publically available event billing that thunderf00t would have had to give to the promoter knowing it would be the drawing name. from dawahfilms I have yet to see any information given that Phil hadn't already freely given publically.
@Aaron1975melbourne and you have yet to deliver any evidence that DawahFilms did either of those things. the closest to doc-dropping he got was mentioning Phil's first name - which was already made public by TF himself.
@williamcardno DawahFilms admitted he doc dropped, that's no longer available as an avenue to you. So your whole "Oh he didn't because there was a pub address" equivocation fallacy schtick is nothing but a massive fail that everyone can see.
@williamcardno in a comment on his own video, DawahFilms said AND I QUOTE:
"... I actucally gave the location to where the docs could be found to 4 of his subs"
So yes, he searched for, obtained, and then distributed private information without consent. He also used that information to make the threat "Dr Phil, what else would I call you?" which implied a willingness to release further. So yes, he doc dropped, end of story.
@Aaron1975melbourne which video was that, cuz i've seen all his videos and did not hear that quote. and if that's a threat in your eyes or anyone else's, you truly are cowards, all of you.
@williamcardno it was a quote DF wrote down. And I've got the screenshot so I could quote him, word for word. So it doesn't really matter if you "choose" to believe in reality or not... reality remains. And trying to say "Oh, that doesn't help me in my false equivocation so now I'll try a red herring" doesn't help either. We see through you.
So guess what? Your point is assinine no matter how hard you try to defend your destroyed position.
@Aaron1975melbourne you mean my point that it's impossible to doc drop someone who already made their info public? because that's pretty much all i've been saying. you can keep saying "equivocation", but all i see is a chickenshit dodging my very simple request for evidence. That would by you, Aaron; what else would i call you? you were likely born in 1975 and either lived in, or still live in Melbourne. oh dear, look at how i just doc dropped you there!
1. Doc dropping does NOT mean "broadcasting" but rather, obtaining and distributing information without consent. DF doc dropped
2. A pub address is NOT the same as private information
3. An individual's name is NOT the same as his brother's private information
You can try to strawman, equivocate, and throw red herrings around as much as you like... it doesn't change the fact that DF doc dropped. end of story.
@Aaron1975melbourne recapping is good. you still have not provided any evidence beyond Phil's words that 1, 2, or 3 happened. and i have asked you to provide evidence numerous times. what's that saying again?...
@williamcardno There's nothing extraordinary about DF doc dropping so stop trying to sound desperate.
DF already admitted that he doc dropped so that attempt to shift the burden fails spectacularly
DF suggesting he had more information suggests he either had more information or was using such a position as a bluff so your attempt to justify that merely shows your lack of morals
DF called the "family member" TF's "brother" suggesting he had that information
@Aaron1975melbourne where? amongst all your jibbering non-sense, i have yet to see one iota of evidence. when you can back up your claims, i'll be happy to give them thought - but until then, I am skeptical of thunderf00t crying wolf just to continue this crap.
@williamcardno Well, if you think it's all "jibbering nonsense" then that's your problem buddy. It also shows that either you're too immature/unintelligent to understand the points, or you're too dishonest to acknowledge that your whole video is debunked.
Reality doesn't change simply so you don't have to acknowledge it. So sad, too bad, you'll just have to learn how to cope.
@Aaron1975melbourne i can understand it okay - you make plenty of claims about what DF did or didn't do - and when asked for evidence you pussy out. it's all here for everyone to see. put up or shut up.
@williamcardno Your dishonesty and unwillingness to accept evidence against your position are not strengths. In fact, all you've achieved is to help me make it even clearer how DawahFilms doc dropped Thunderf00t.
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@BandwagonArsonist Problem with that, lowering the energy of someone with a more severe form of depression will increase the suicidal ideation, and this gets compounded by the fact that one of the major symptoms is lethargy. I also find, in my experience, that everyone who suffers from a form of depression needs different treatment plans. Exercise, though i love it, actually makes things worse for me, just due to the energy required to not crash hard with my mood.
Where I did I "admit to doc dropping". I called his employer who already knew who he was/ That's not doc dropping unless you're desperate to make it so.
I said "his brother" because StealthBadger already said it prior. Idiot.
1) No. If that were the case then Coughlan would be in trouble for pointing to someone where the information was so as to get it deleted. Telling someone to get something deleted is not trying to harm them
2) It wasnt just a pub address it was his FULL NAME displayed in public PRIOR to me saying "phil".
I don't consider that reporting TF to his University is doc-dropping, and there's no evidence that DF did anything else. I saw the video which dropped all of TF's docs back in May, and it had nothing to do with DF.
@voiceofreason467 For obvious reasons the video in question was recently flagged down. There are hundreds of witnesses that DID view it before that happened. Are you calling them all liars? Where is YOUR evidence for your accusation? Where is Thunderf00t's evidence for his accusation? Fact is, it didn't happen. Dawah didn't drop Thunderf00t's docs, nor his family's. I don't set a standard for evidence, there is an accepted one: Innocent until proven guilty. No accusation without proof.
@voiceofreason467 I, as well as a few hundred people on youtube have seen the original video that actually did drop the docs. It was posted as a response to coughlan and contained information only someone who actually DONATED to thunderf00t could have had, since they got the docs via the information attached to his paypal. Dawah did not donate to Thunderf00t, also, you have to prove the GUILT of someone you accuse, not the other way around. Show me ONE video where Dawah actually drops docs.
@ProgressiveAudio And your proof that he was distributing it is where? Oh wait, you don't have any. Assumptions and accusations are enough these days. Gotcha.
@FelidaTheG33k He did distribute the video to a select amount of people, and that's not even the point, what he's admitted to is in fact distributing private information, and trying to invade someones privacy, while failing miserably. This dude is a worse troll than Corky...
I told people to get Tf00t to delete it because he always ignores me. I also showed it to Tf00t directly when I saw that the website wasn't deleted yet, despite the fact he was probably going to ignore my message anyways (seems like he didn't this time and decided to quotemine that message instead for his blog rants).
Its like now you're blaming coughlan for "doc dropping" because he showed the information to DPR first to give it to tf00t to have it deleted.
@DawahFilms "I told people to get Tf00t to delete it because he always ignores me. " I can believe that, but you'll have to prove that. I mean do you expect to file a lawsuit on just hearsay and your own feelings? Come on, show the evidence. I do suspect thunderf00t is lying or leaving out facts, but there's no hard evidence, so I'd love to see it.
@DawahFilms "Its like now you're blaming coughlan for "doc dropping" " I never blamed Coughlan for that, when did I ever say that? I in fact favorited that video "thunderf00ts docs" and he for some strange reason follows me on twitter, so there's no animosity between us.
@MisterBoswell in the sense that he does research in Cornell and those "trips" he keeps making are temporary contracts with universities. I'd be willing to accept that he is in enough of a position to have a phd behind him - being his phd in being a dickless asshole.
@LegendBaal jealous of who? sure, I'm a faggot - everyone knows that... but I have no jealousy of anyone on this site, which seems fuelled only by drama at this point. I am merely an observer, and content as such.
@williamcardno yeah k give me one reason i shouldn't doc drop you or atleast flag the video to get you banned? :) push your luck and see what happens little man. you're just some retarded kid in there 20's with 1100 odd subs who's a jealous little bitch of his e-fame. and its funny as hell i must admit.
Dude! Seriously, spit thunderf00t's cock out, you're mumbling. Threatening to doc drop or false flag is a pretty douche thing to do but this is exactly the kinda think I've come to expect from Thunderf00t's brain dead fanboys.
Hey, internet tough guy fuckwit, no body cares about your meaningless threats so why don't you fuck off back to your silly sub rogue.
@LegendBaal give it a try. "if you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - at least now I know Thunderf00t's fanboys are out to false flag people and doc drop. Pretty fucking pathetic, if you ask me.
@williamcardno Hmmm... kinda makes his elitism whenever speaking on the topic of "scientific literacy" seem like an attempt to try and run with the big dogs.
@voiceofreason467 SOMEONE doc dropped Thunderf00t and his family, but it wasn't Dawah. Just because Thunderf00t claims it, doesn't make it any more true. What is this mentality of blaming someone for another person's crimes without any evidence whatsoever? Enough evidence has been posted over the past weeks, yet people still believe Thunderf00t's lie. I am baffled at this lack of reason from people who usually demand evidence for claims.
@Elenkhos And this is precisely the point. An online conflict should remain an online conflict, It's only because DawahFilms has knowledge of Thunderf00ts real life information, That he can actually do this. And Who's fault it is that he has this information is irrelevant. If you have acquired Information that could harm someone, That doesn't mean you have to use it. Or you are justified in doing so. You are still A douche for actually doing it.
@thecreepyguy "An online conflict should remain an online conflict"
TF uses the fact that he works at a University to give weight to his political opinions, and he claims that he has the support of his work colleagues. So it's not just an online thing, since TF has connected his online activities to his job. There was no necessity for him to do this.
@KevinSolway this comment is not spam, and whoever flagged it as such should be ashamed of themselves and are perfectly welcome to unsub and never return.
@beyondDMC4 i provided pretty definitive proof that this information was public - so I'm curious as to how I can be full of shit when I made a statement, provide evidence, and then ask a pressing question in light of such evidence?
@thecreepyguy your blindness out of loyalty is none of my concern. all I did was state legal reasons for engaging in the behavior and explaining why DawahFilm, just as you or anyone else, has a right to contact an employer about the work of an employee. In fact, employers tend to want to know if someone is linking their job and illegal activities; which thunderf00t has.
@williamcardno "Your blindness out of loyalty is none of my concern"
And with that Ad hom you have proven yourself to be out of arguments.
Your subsequent sentences did nothing to actually refute what I was saying, Which was that DawahFilms is motivated by pettiness. Weather or not he has actually done anything worth losing his job over is entirely Irrelevant and Entirely Up to his employers. I highly doubt they would give much credit to A person who makes death threats anyway.
@thecreepyguy Conditional death threats you mean. "If you harm innocent people, we will send you to the god you wish you knew". In other words: No actual death threat. Besides, calling someone by their first name that they themselves made public is also not doc dropping. Yet Thunderf00t continues claiming that Dawah sent him a death threat and that he dropped his docs, both is more than twisting the truth. I wouldn't give much credit to a liar either, you know.
@thecreepyguy In that case you also have to value Thunderf00t's video to which Dawah responded as a threat of genocide. Both made conditional threats, both acted like pompous assholes. Neither is actually a death threat. So are you actually admitting now that Thunderf00t threatened genocide?
@FelidaTheG33k Even if we are to judge them both by your standards, We would still hold DawahFilms in poor light, Because It's still DawahFilms who is trying to make it more than an online conflict by trying to get him fired.
@thecreepyguy Your standards, not mine. Aside from that however, Dawah was the first to feel the effects of it being taken from the internet to real life. Thunderf00t was well aware that his (false) accusations caused trouble for Dawah. At least Dawah didn't spread lies about Thunderf00t, he merely linked Thunderf00t's work to his employers. As I said, if Thunderf00t's videos were all ethically and morally sound, he wouldn't have a thing to worry about, would he?
@FelidaTheG33k How was Dawah In the least bit effected? And how can you say "merely linked thunderf00t's work to his employers" The act Is not what matters, It's the intent, And The intent Is easily determined.
And everything he did way was ethical and morally sound, And you can see this by the fact that he didn't back down. He kept south park vs islam Up. Because he said nothing in that video that he was ashamed of, Or was immoral.
@thecreepyguy How was Dawah effected? Trouble with the FBI, actual death threats to HIS family and fiancee. I was on Skype with him when he was informed that he might have been put on the no-fly list because of this bullshit. So here is an american citizen, who, in his own country, gets treated like a criminal because a pompous asshole claims he's a muslim fundamentalist. Just because a person doesn't back down, doesn't mean they are morally and ethically sound. That claim is just ridiculous.
@FelidaTheG33k And that happened to DawahFilms because of his comments. If Thunderf00t was suggesting genocide, Something far worse than a singular murder, Then surely the FBI would be far more interested in him then they were DawahFilms. But they weren't. Because thunderf00t didn't say anything of the sort, But DawahFilms did.
@thecreepyguy Bullshit. The FBI didn't give a shit about Thunderf00t's claim because they knew he was being a pompous asshole AND because he is not a muslim. You ARE aware of the bigotry towards muslims in the US, yes? How just wearing certain clothing will get you mistreated and pre-judged? You are aware of Guantanamo Bay and holding people without trial? Prejudice does a lot in this case. Oh, and nobody called the FBI on Thunderf00t. That may play a part as well?
@FelidaTheG33k And how do you know that no one called the FBI on thunderf00t? I find It just as probable that they were called but they didn't take it seriously for good reason. This is pure speculation on both our parts. And you calling the FBI racist based on no evidence Is not helpful.
@thecreepyguy Based on no evidence? Do you not see what is going on in the US in regards to bias against anyone muslim? Have you not watched the news over the past years, visited an airport, heard about Guantanamo Bay or the no-fly list? I think you are now deliberately deceiving yourself just so you can continue defending thunderf00t's actions.
@FelidaTheG33k And the only reason that such A perception exists is because of Terrorists who look and speak the same way as so called moderates such as DawahFilms. Your allusions to a racist theme in the US is fairly weak in my opinion, And in any case not substantial evidence of the FBI being racist.
@thecreepyguy Oh, so guilt by association is okay? Gotcha. Right along the lines of Thunderf00t, who openly claims that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, that all muslims condone terrorism and don't speak out against it. THAT, my friend, is bigotry.
@FelidaTheG33k No It isn't okay. I never said it was. I merely said that that was the reason that the public holds such an opinion. Because even the self proclaimed moderates are making death threats, Or conditional death threats? Either way if you are trying to break down a stereotype, Perhaps it would be wise to separate yourself from the stereotype as much as possible, And not even step close to the area of death threats.
I should not have to mold myself to bigoted perceptions. I should not have to abandon who I am as a person, or what I believe to be true, to suit the naive hatred of other people. I should not have to NOT act like a normal person, by defending myself, just because you or others will perceive me as a terrorist.
For someone so against censorship, you seem to advocate it in that you wish for me to suspend normal speech and behavior so as to suit your paranoia.
i miss him :-(
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@brettkeanedotcom no, anyone who takes him at his word instead of investigating and critically considering anybody's actions is a blind follower. i can support people while still being critical of them.
williamcardno 4 months ago 5
@brettkeanedotcom I'm not fighting for DawahFilms. He's a grown man and I'm pretty sure he's more than capable of articulating his own ideas in defense of any positions he holds. This is about calling Thunderf00t out on a major inconsistancy with his story and his most loyal blind followers for not checking the information for themselves.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@brettkeanedotcom
What violence are you talking about? I haven't tried to be violent at all.
And no, you don't understand. You're an atheist. Yes, you're a minority in the U.S. but I gather you and other atheists are STILL treated far better than the Muslim community.
Last time I checked atheists weren't being detained without trial or assassinated by their own governments .
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@brettkeanedotcom
Let me ask you a question.
Do you have ANY clue what its like being a Muslim in the United States?
I see so many people feeling empathetic for those with different sexual lifestyles being assaulted, harassed, or their lives destroyed in the U.S. and elsewhere, but for some strange reason when these sort of things happen to the Muslim community most of you don't even bat an eye.
Walk away? I wish it were that easy.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
From what I've heard, this advertisement for 'skeptic in the pub' was sent out to very few people. And furthermore it didn't give out the name of the university Phil was working at.
oliverscott2007 4 months ago
@oliverscott2007 it was linked all over twitter, and the only person I've seen give away Phil's university to the public would be Phil himself. Also, the only person I've seen mention his city. So can we call it "doc dropping" when the information given was freely available by Phil's own hand? o_O This is where the story doesn't add up for me.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno
Hnmmm. I guess it would have been more appropriate then to say that Dawahfilms shared out his docs rather than flat out dropped them.
oliverscott2007 4 months ago
William, he did "Doc" drop Thunderf00t....he JUST HAD a video up called "Doc Dropping Thunderf00t" it's down now, but it was a Google map of his house. and it could have had his name in it too.
but yeah Ali DID do it.
Lusa5 4 months ago
@Lusa5
You people are shameful. The video in question was by a user named "snogger" and is in the link in the info box of this very video. The address was to a pub in california where Tf00t was giving a speech at a conference of skeptics. The reason the video was significant is because it had Tf00ts REAL NAME in the description near the address where he was going to speak. It proved that his real name has been public for months now.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms
"you people"? I'm on your skype friend's list asshole.
>_>...
Lusa5 4 months ago
@Lusa5 this just begs the question, then, of why you would accuse someone on your skype friends list as the perpetraitor of a video that wasn't even uploaded to his channel. It's quite convenient, I find, that when Venomfangx isn't Thunderf00t's little scapegoat, Ali is. I could call Thunderf00t a raginging genocidal loon, a repugnant waste of server space, a liar and a coward. And somehow, in Phil's little mind, my thoughts words and actions there were Ali's fault.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno
Because he did do it, god I saw it! he did it! I supposed he "shared" it instead of upload it...but then again I swear I saw it in "uploads".
My point is. He did something stupid then got himself into trouble. I don't understand why you all don't point that out. instead you all back him up encouraging him to start more shit.
Fuck thunderf00t he's a dumb slow monkey.
Lusa5 4 months ago
@Lusa5 Life really is too short to avoid "doing something stupid" but I sense that's not the problem. The issue at hand here is really that Thunderf00t didn't like the fact Ali stuck up for that muslim girl on here. It is because of that, Thunderf00t started trying to stir all this up again and make the issue about his name, which he was advertising a while prior. My sole intention with this video is to ask the question why Thunderf00t makes his anonymity a big deal now, but not when touring.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno
oh yeah I saw like...some of that video, Well, that video was stupid because it was Ali throwing a pissy fit.
You know what a good response to Thunderf00t is when he says something stupid?
Remember when thunderf00t said something real stupid about "Swine Flu" and TheAmazingAtheist responded with that video where he coughs then falls to the ground and pops up with a pig Mask and totally makes fun of TF.
That's the best response Sarcasm. TF doesn't have a sense of humor.
Lusa5 4 months ago
@Lusa5 neither do his fanboys judging by most of this comment section. lol
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno
It's hilarious how far up Dawah's asshole you are trying to force your tongue.
DickJohnson3434 4 months ago
@DickJohnson3434
Stop projecting your desires for Tf00t on to others please. Thank you.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms
What's even funnier is that THAT comment provoked a quick reply from you when my legitimate criticisms were ignored and got me blocked.
DickJohnson3434 4 months ago
@DickJohnson3434 you have anything legitimate? I have yet to see any evidence of this claim.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@DickJohnson3434
Youve never made any legit criticisms. You're on Tf00ts nuts the entire time.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
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@DawahFilms
"Youve never made any legit criticisms. You're on Tf00ts nuts the entire time."
Quote me saying something positive about TF.
DickJohnson3434 4 months ago
Wow, it's rather funny how his name is out there and yet he's bitching about doc dropping....really? Also, I love the comments from people who support tf. This is why many theists believe atheists are assholes that have a hive mind and what not. Because of shit like this.
Anyway, ty for bringing this to my attention, nice to know that tf seems to be goin off the deep end with this one. How the mighty have fallen. He should've never shown his face.
Krensharpaw 4 months ago
I didn't want to renew this argument because I thought everything had been dredged up.
I was actually absent for a few months at the time of the drama. So my ignorance on this is somewhat excusable, For others, And DawahFilms himself, It isn't.
You asked for clarification. And you got it. 'the sleeping giant' thunderf00ts video has been up for over a year now. And you still haven't retracted and apologized for your statement even with clarification.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy he shouldn't have to retract shit. the only thing that Phil clarified is that he is indeed calling for a jihad against all muslims. rational people, however, tend to be of the impression that believing in a religion is not a capital offense.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Even if that is what he said, At the very least that is a clarification. So you cannot argue that he hasn't clarified because he has.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@williamcardno The fact that Dawah is still asking for clarification proves that he hasn't even watched the video.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy
I saw the video and it simply reaffirmed my first interpretation.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms But you will admit that you have not seen that video up until now? Even though It's been up for over a year? You complain of thunderf00t and his audience not listening to you because he's a much more popular Youtuber. Well what right do you have to make such an argument when you don't even pay attention to what thunderf00t says?
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy
I saw it a long time ago. I don't see how it resolved the issue.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms That doesn't explain why you have been asking for clarification ever since, If you saw it a long time ago.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
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@williamcardno
"the only thing that Phil clarified is that he is indeed calling for a jihad against all muslims"
Please explain the logical difference between "Calling for jihad against all Muslims", or as Dawah accused him of "calling for genocide" and the condition given by Dawah's warning of... "trying to awaken a sleeping giant hostile to any innocent person"?
Please articulate the discernible difference?
DickJohnson3434 4 months ago
then dont pay any attentiontion to him at all....HUH look at that,problem solved
TheFouthHokage 4 months ago
@TheFouthHokage Kinda have to when one of my friends is being put through shit on account of Thunderf00t's paranoia and propaganda
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno ignore his ass and he will stop,it's like pooring gasoline on a fire,stop fueling it and it will eventually put it self out
TheFouthHokage 4 months ago
@TheFouthHokage ignoring his ass lead to these cries for help in which he commited several criminal offenses and subjected an innocent man to numerous death threats for the greivous crime of believing in the qur'an. and if we don't stand up against injustice, who will do so in our place?
williamcardno 4 months ago
what funny about kevin is he always bans people and then responds to them; in short he;s a cowards coward.
cbilljones 4 months ago
@cbilljones who the fuck is kevin? lol
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno
They keep calling me by my former legal name to piss me off. They think its funny to not address me by my actual name now.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
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@DawahFilms That link on your page doesn't work and you blocked me on your page although I didn't say anything to you that was anywhere near as bad as the things you've said to me.
Why do you say "no wonder thunderf00t is afraid to go home"?
DickJohnson3434 4 months ago
@DickJohnson3434 Let me get this straight... DawahFilms blocks you, and you come over here onto my video to kick up shit with him? I don't give a damn about you or your panties being in a knot, and I'm pretty sure noone else does. Stop being a whiny bitch over a block and grow the fuck up already. Has YouTube really come to this?!
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno
L O fucking L!
DickJohnson3434 4 months ago
@DawahFilms O_o I fail to see how that's funny. *sigh*
The only thing worse than a raving paranoid lunatic will always be his cultish followers.
Phil v Ali will always come down to a bigotted genocidal maniac vs a scapegoat the former will attempt to send an angry, illiterate, uneducated and violent mob after.
It's crystal clear to everyone with eyes and skeptical eye that Thunderf00t is the terrorist he so desperately wishes you were.
williamcardno 4 months ago
DawahFilms SUCKS. He's boring, sanctimonious, and stupid. Thunderfoot is at least intelligent. Why you always choose to stick up for such a fool I'll never understand.
And this bullshit about how he was persecuted. AGAIN, Hyperbole, Sanctimony.
BandwagonArsonist 4 months ago 5
@BandwagonArsonist Hey! I'm boring and sanctimonious! :P
Seriously, though, I am rather fond of Ali as a person - and I would have to say that were I in his shoes I would not be able to handle this bullshit as well as he has. I also despise Thunderf00t and the way he uses ideas like "freedom of speech" and "science" as a punchline.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@BandwagonArsonist
They are both ridiculous to me!
Lusa5 4 months ago
People with depression should just go to the gym (be sure to have a plan designed for you) and also use bicarbonate soda as a deodorant/handwash for using gym equipment. And also avoid Sodium laureth sulfate. And take Vitamin D (at the same time avoid gluten for high doses of vitamin D).
faro0485 4 months ago
Already debunked days before you posted your video.
1. If Thunderf00t's details were so terribly common, why was this information being used as a threat?
2. Phil Mason is a common name (Google it) and that's a pub address, not a home/other private address.
3. That link doesn't include information on his family member
Sorry, but unless someone's prepared to equate a common name and pub address with private identifying details including those of family members, your argument falls apart.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne "family members"
What evidence do you have that DF is spreading the personal details of TF's family members?
If you don't have any evidence then you should pull your head in. Unless of course you don't believe Muslims have any rights, in which case you can go right ahead.
KevinSolway 4 months ago
@KevinSolway I second this question!
williamcardno 4 months ago
@KevinSolway that's in fact, the claim: that details of his family member were revealed (that DawahFilms claims he didn't release anything on ThunderF00t's "brother", when TF just said information was being released on a "family member" is suspect). So in other words, you're trying to defend something when you don't have all the facts. And I couldn't give a flying rat if the doc dropping is done by someone who believes in Allah, Mithras or cosmic teapots, it's still wrong.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne "that's in fact, the claim"
I know it's your claim. What I'm saying is "Where is your evidence?" Don't you care about evidence? Do you think it's okay to believe anything you want?
And I don't consider that reporting TF to his University is "Doc dropping", but that's a separate matter.
KevinSolway 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne
Youre an idiot because I said this AFTER stealthbadger stated it himself in his video.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms Two wrongs don't make a right Dawah. And trying to intimidate someone by dropping hints of their personal details in order to try to silence them shows that you're incapable of defending your beliefs with real information, only with threats and intimidation. You can't really have much to go on in such case, can you?
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne
Uhh...
WTF are you talking about? I can defend my beliefs just fine. I accept criticism of my religion AND I respond with criticism in several videos. The fact that you've bought into this idea that "Muslims cant accept criticism" is what is ruling your interpretation of these events.
This is not about Tf00t "criticizing" my religion, but DEFAMING ME. Its like you seem to think its funny to be accused of being a terrorist these days or something.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms In that case, if you think your religion is defensible... why resort to intimidatory tactics and blockades to try to keep people from demonstrating how it doesn't work? After all, if you thought you had a legal case against TF, you'd just talk to lawyers... who would inform you to avoid getting into a public slanging match with TF in order to avoid damaging your own case (which you've very successfully done over the past five days). Yet another part of your story falls apart.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@DawahFilms I wouldn't necessarily say you're accepting of criticism. You react very harshly towards criticism, just look at how you react towards Klingschor.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio
Uhh, thats because hes insulting and he messages me with smartass remarks.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms How was he insulting you at first? I mean later on he had a video calling you a moron but as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) after you were rude a year back towards him and even blocked him for disagreeing. Also you tried to claim he was censoring you which is false (another reason I'm skeptical of your claims). And the video was answering your bizarre claim of pakistani muslim women being strong, which is not the case.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio
So you're saying Pakistani women are weak? Have you ever met a Pakistani woman?
And no, he has continuously sent me smartass PMs. He also defended SmilingSkeptic and said he would "rip my fucking spine out" for messing with him even after he stated to me that what was between me and him was none of his business.
The kid has issues.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms "So you're saying Pakistani women are weak? Have you ever met a Pakistani woman?"
Yes and yes. I kind of have a thing for Pakistan in fact.
As to what you say about Klingschor, doesn't sound anything like him but I guess I'll find out pretty soon. Even though the guy seems rather arrogant (because he knows everything about Islam he thinks he can talk on other subjects, like religion in US history, as an authority) he doesn't come off as someone with "issues"
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@DawahFilms Then again we all have issues...
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio he has never reacted negatively to me expressing any disagreements i had and problems i had with his faith. i think the difference here might be that I actually listen to him and respond to him instead of forcing a trite and dangerous stereotype into any nook i can find, regardless of what was actually being said. I suppose this separates me from Phil and Klingschor. I'm very proud to be set apart from the first and know too little about the second to care either way.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno "I suppose this separates me from Phil and Klingschor." I don't think that describes Klingschor at all. You won't find a guy more interested in discussing Islam and more interested in using primary sources from muslims than him. But because he uses the sources to show Islam to be not in line with reality, DawahFilms is very intolerant towards him.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio really? you need to watch the happycabbie vs dawahfilms debate if you think that's how dawahfilms acts.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno I saw some of that last year, and Klingschor is a lot nicer than happycabbie is in that debate.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio well then how was DawahFilms able to keep his composure with HappyCabbie than Klingschor?
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno I imagine like anyone else people react differently towards other people? Some people act nicer in wider audiences too? (me for example) I'm not sure how this invalidates him being intolerant towards criticism. From what I saw of the debate, happycabbie was more asking about Islam. Most muslims like talking about it because its a proselytizing religion. This pakistani guy I talk to on e-mail can't shut up about it :p
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio I tend to like asking questions to. If I have an issue with something someone says, i tend to ask them about it instead of brashly asserting myself. Even if it's a very coy non-question question (like the one in this video) - it helps the discussion to merely state observations, how you view them and then finally cap it with a question to allow the other side to address my objections instead of just saying "I'm right and that's it"
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Yes I agree, I never said otherwise. Klingschor certainly would agree with that approach.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne I have yet to find where details of that family member were revealed. you cannot just declare by fiat that something extraordinary and heinous is true without proper evidence to back it up. Also, it wasn't being used as a threat; DawahFilms' video didn't hold thunderf00t's docs over his head, but rather stated he would be informing his employers of the videos which certainly would violate faculty policy - if he is indeed in a faculty position.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno So in your head, there's no problem because Thunderf00t's name was public. But information on his family member isn't, so because that wasn't public, that's no problem to find and distribute that either. That's about as inconsistent as you can get.
DF saying "Dr. Phil, what else would I call you?" was an implied threat to reveal more publicly. If he was going to just contact employers, why not do so, why say so in that way? You really haven't thought this through, have you?
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne
Prove that this was my intention.
Because all I did was contact his employer (which I also have evidence of).
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne again - show me the evidence that a family member of phil's was doc dropped. you know, apart from phil's unsubstantiated claims.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Doc dropping is to seek private information, receive it, and then send it to third parties without the consent of the person concerned. It does not require it to be broadcast. So it's perfectly possible to doc drop without it being a Google top ten item. You're using double-standards here:
> TF's name was publicly available but was still possible to doc drop other details
> His brother's details weren't publicly available but that's irrelevant to whether he was doc dropped
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne
Actually his details were publicly available as well.
If Tf00t was so concerned he should be going after those that actually doc dropped those details, not me.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms All this does is confirm that you doc dropped, as a result of someone else doc dropping. It doesn't magically turn into something else purely because you weren't the original instigator.
That's like saying a fence didn't commit a crime simply because they weren't the original stealers of something, they merely knowingly accepted stolen goods. Sorry but that's not how things work.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne if "Phil" is dropping TF's docs, then throw me in that camp for linking a publically available event billing that thunderf00t would have had to give to the promoter knowing it would be the drawing name. from dawahfilms I have yet to see any information given that Phil hadn't already freely given publically.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno You can try to equivocate as much as you like and it just won't work.
A link to a pub address is NOT the same as a link to private details, period.
It just isn't dude, so get over it.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne and you have yet to deliver any evidence that DawahFilms did either of those things. the closest to doc-dropping he got was mentioning Phil's first name - which was already made public by TF himself.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno DawahFilms admitted he doc dropped, that's no longer available as an avenue to you. So your whole "Oh he didn't because there was a pub address" equivocation fallacy schtick is nothing but a massive fail that everyone can see.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne where?
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno in a comment on his own video, DawahFilms said AND I QUOTE:
"... I actucally gave the location to where the docs could be found to 4 of his subs"
So yes, he searched for, obtained, and then distributed private information without consent. He also used that information to make the threat "Dr Phil, what else would I call you?" which implied a willingness to release further. So yes, he doc dropped, end of story.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne which video was that, cuz i've seen all his videos and did not hear that quote. and if that's a threat in your eyes or anyone else's, you truly are cowards, all of you.
Go away now Aaron, what else would i call you?
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno it was a quote DF wrote down. And I've got the screenshot so I could quote him, word for word. So it doesn't really matter if you "choose" to believe in reality or not... reality remains. And trying to say "Oh, that doesn't help me in my false equivocation so now I'll try a red herring" doesn't help either. We see through you.
So guess what? Your point is assinine no matter how hard you try to defend your destroyed position.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne you mean my point that it's impossible to doc drop someone who already made their info public? because that's pretty much all i've been saying. you can keep saying "equivocation", but all i see is a chickenshit dodging my very simple request for evidence. That would by you, Aaron; what else would i call you? you were likely born in 1975 and either lived in, or still live in Melbourne. oh dear, look at how i just doc dropped you there!
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno So let's recap:
1. Doc dropping does NOT mean "broadcasting" but rather, obtaining and distributing information without consent. DF doc dropped
2. A pub address is NOT the same as private information
3. An individual's name is NOT the same as his brother's private information
You can try to strawman, equivocate, and throw red herrings around as much as you like... it doesn't change the fact that DF doc dropped. end of story.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne recapping is good. you still have not provided any evidence beyond Phil's words that 1, 2, or 3 happened. and i have asked you to provide evidence numerous times. what's that saying again?...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno There's nothing extraordinary about DF doc dropping so stop trying to sound desperate.
DF already admitted that he doc dropped so that attempt to shift the burden fails spectacularly
DF suggesting he had more information suggests he either had more information or was using such a position as a bluff so your attempt to justify that merely shows your lack of morals
DF called the "family member" TF's "brother" suggesting he had that information
So that's a total FAIL on your part.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne again, i ask you for your evidence.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Already given. You've tried red herrings, strawmen, false equivocations and are now attempting argumentum ad hominem.
The only thing you've achieved is to be one of those people who stand as a warning to others about how not to behave.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne where? amongst all your jibbering non-sense, i have yet to see one iota of evidence. when you can back up your claims, i'll be happy to give them thought - but until then, I am skeptical of thunderf00t crying wolf just to continue this crap.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Well, if you think it's all "jibbering nonsense" then that's your problem buddy. It also shows that either you're too immature/unintelligent to understand the points, or you're too dishonest to acknowledge that your whole video is debunked.
Reality doesn't change simply so you don't have to acknowledge it. So sad, too bad, you'll just have to learn how to cope.
Buh Bye.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne feel free to return when you have evidence to back up your claims.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno You can't/won't understand anything I say, remember?
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne i can understand it okay - you make plenty of claims about what DF did or didn't do - and when asked for evidence you pussy out. it's all here for everyone to see. put up or shut up.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Your dishonesty and unwillingness to accept evidence against your position are not strengths. In fact, all you've achieved is to help me make it even clearer how DawahFilms doc dropped Thunderf00t.
Aaron1975melbourne 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne what evidence? you have presented NONE for you case. I asked you nicely plenty of times, no you can fuck off
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Will, it's a FACT SSRIS are as effective for mild to moderate depression as EXERCISE. Bill Maher even made a joke that went "So ask your doctor if getting off your ass is right for you!" when he announced the study on his show. Fact is I'm bi-polar and do JUST FINE with EXERCISE(I now even lift weights) the right food, and 5HTP. Plus I've found phenibut to be amazingly helpful. Not telling you what to take or not to take. But don't be so ignorant of the FACTS, of depression.
BandwagonArsonist 4 months ago
@BandwagonArsonist I happen to know quite a bit about the brain. And psychology. It's why I don't know things I also really should like about the rest of my body. :P Or Music Theory :(
BandwagonArsonist 4 months ago
@BandwagonArsonist always remember, music is just a theory. :P
williamcardno 4 months ago
@BandwagonArsonist Problem with that, lowering the energy of someone with a more severe form of depression will increase the suicidal ideation, and this gets compounded by the fact that one of the major symptoms is lethargy. I also find, in my experience, that everyone who suffers from a form of depression needs different treatment plans. Exercise, though i love it, actually makes things worse for me, just due to the energy required to not crash hard with my mood.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne
Where I did I "admit to doc dropping". I called his employer who already knew who he was/ That's not doc dropping unless you're desperate to make it so.
I said "his brother" because StealthBadger already said it prior. Idiot.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@Aaron1975melbourne
1) No. If that were the case then Coughlan would be in trouble for pointing to someone where the information was so as to get it deleted. Telling someone to get something deleted is not trying to harm them
2) It wasnt just a pub address it was his FULL NAME displayed in public PRIOR to me saying "phil".
3) Derpa derp.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
I dropped my pocket.
Sarahon06 4 months ago
@Sarahon06 did you pants possibly go with it? :P
williamcardno 4 months ago
The thing is, people who suffer from depression don't have to watch thunderf00t. Although i would suggest it.
rodneys13 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 "Dawah did not just doc drop thunderf00t"
I don't consider that reporting TF to his University is doc-dropping, and there's no evidence that DF did anything else. I saw the video which dropped all of TF's docs back in May, and it had nothing to do with DF.
KevinSolway 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 For obvious reasons the video in question was recently flagged down. There are hundreds of witnesses that DID view it before that happened. Are you calling them all liars? Where is YOUR evidence for your accusation? Where is Thunderf00t's evidence for his accusation? Fact is, it didn't happen. Dawah didn't drop Thunderf00t's docs, nor his family's. I don't set a standard for evidence, there is an accepted one: Innocent until proven guilty. No accusation without proof.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 I, as well as a few hundred people on youtube have seen the original video that actually did drop the docs. It was posted as a response to coughlan and contained information only someone who actually DONATED to thunderf00t could have had, since they got the docs via the information attached to his paypal. Dawah did not donate to Thunderf00t, also, you have to prove the GUILT of someone you accuse, not the other way around. Show me ONE video where Dawah actually drops docs.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k Distributing a video that someone else created is still distributing personal information :p
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio And your proof that he was distributing it is where? Oh wait, you don't have any. Assumptions and accusations are enough these days. Gotcha.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k I wasn't saying he did, I was saying what you said he did was distributing personal info.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio You just made no sense. What did I say he did? Because he didn't distribute the video, hence he didn't drop docs.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k He did distribute the video to a select amount of people, and that's not even the point, what he's admitted to is in fact distributing private information, and trying to invade someones privacy, while failing miserably. This dude is a worse troll than Corky...
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio
I told people to get Tf00t to delete it because he always ignores me. I also showed it to Tf00t directly when I saw that the website wasn't deleted yet, despite the fact he was probably going to ignore my message anyways (seems like he didn't this time and decided to quotemine that message instead for his blog rants).
Its like now you're blaming coughlan for "doc dropping" because he showed the information to DPR first to give it to tf00t to have it deleted.
*facepalm*
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms "I told people to get Tf00t to delete it because he always ignores me. " I can believe that, but you'll have to prove that. I mean do you expect to file a lawsuit on just hearsay and your own feelings? Come on, show the evidence. I do suspect thunderf00t is lying or leaving out facts, but there's no hard evidence, so I'd love to see it.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@DawahFilms "Its like now you're blaming coughlan for "doc dropping" " I never blamed Coughlan for that, when did I ever say that? I in fact favorited that video "thunderf00ts docs" and he for some strange reason follows me on twitter, so there's no animosity between us.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
@DawahFilms I like how you use "you" thinking I subscribe to the same group think as religious people.
ProgressiveAudio 4 months ago
Is Thunderf00t even a doctor?
MisterBoswell 4 months ago
@MisterBoswell in the sense that he does research in Cornell and those "trips" he keeps making are temporary contracts with universities. I'd be willing to accept that he is in enough of a position to have a phd behind him - being his phd in being a dickless asshole.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno LOL @ you. jealous little faggot.
LegendBaal 4 months ago
@LegendBaal jealous of who? sure, I'm a faggot - everyone knows that... but I have no jealousy of anyone on this site, which seems fuelled only by drama at this point. I am merely an observer, and content as such.
williamcardno 4 months ago
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LegendBaal 4 months ago
@williamcardno yeah k give me one reason i shouldn't doc drop you or atleast flag the video to get you banned? :) push your luck and see what happens little man. you're just some retarded kid in there 20's with 1100 odd subs who's a jealous little bitch of his e-fame. and its funny as hell i must admit.
LegendBaal 4 months ago
@LegendBaal
Dude! Seriously, spit thunderf00t's cock out, you're mumbling. Threatening to doc drop or false flag is a pretty douche thing to do but this is exactly the kinda think I've come to expect from Thunderf00t's brain dead fanboys.
Hey, internet tough guy fuckwit, no body cares about your meaningless threats so why don't you fuck off back to your silly sub rogue.
wizkid2000 4 months ago
@LegendBaal give it a try. "if you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - at least now I know Thunderf00t's fanboys are out to false flag people and doc drop. Pretty fucking pathetic, if you ask me.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno becuase you quote starwar quotes thinking your a e-penis hero. man i wish i knew you irl i would fuck you up. little faggot l0l.
LegendBaal 4 months ago
@LegendBaal I don't know, my e-penis is pretty fucking huge... and I'm enjoying slapping you around with geekery. :D
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Hmmm... kinda makes his elitism whenever speaking on the topic of "scientific literacy" seem like an attempt to try and run with the big dogs.
MisterBoswell 4 months ago
@MisterBoswell Thunderf00t is not, and will never be, Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I think this thought bothers and pains him every day.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno Indeed. : )
MisterBoswell 4 months ago
Don't worry, I don't watch Dr. Phil. He makes me depressed.
Justinfh2point0 4 months ago
fanboys never cared about proof. They are blind and are sheeple to TF. They are pathetic and will never know it
edwardtang1977 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 SOMEONE doc dropped Thunderf00t and his family, but it wasn't Dawah. Just because Thunderf00t claims it, doesn't make it any more true. What is this mentality of blaming someone for another person's crimes without any evidence whatsoever? Enough evidence has been posted over the past weeks, yet people still believe Thunderf00t's lie. I am baffled at this lack of reason from people who usually demand evidence for claims.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
hey I know a lot of people who were at that event.
LunarShadowca 4 months ago
Because he is doing it for malevolent reasons... Dawah is a JACKASS
Elenkhos 4 months ago
@Elenkhos And this is precisely the point. An online conflict should remain an online conflict, It's only because DawahFilms has knowledge of Thunderf00ts real life information, That he can actually do this. And Who's fault it is that he has this information is irrelevant. If you have acquired Information that could harm someone, That doesn't mean you have to use it. Or you are justified in doing so. You are still A douche for actually doing it.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy "An online conflict should remain an online conflict"
TF uses the fact that he works at a University to give weight to his political opinions, and he claims that he has the support of his work colleagues. So it's not just an online thing, since TF has connected his online activities to his job. There was no necessity for him to do this.
KevinSolway 4 months ago
@KevinSolway this comment is not spam, and whoever flagged it as such should be ashamed of themselves and are perfectly welcome to unsub and never return.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@KevinSolway But that's all just talk. That doesn't justify an actual act to take it into real life.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
Yeah no you're full of shit
beyondDMC4 4 months ago
@beyondDMC4 i provided pretty definitive proof that this information was public - so I'm curious as to how I can be full of shit when I made a statement, provide evidence, and then ask a pressing question in light of such evidence?
williamcardno 4 months ago
People who want to HAVE CHILDREN should not watch Thunderf00t, IMHO.
DecKrash 4 months ago
and even then. You can't say that DawahFilms isn't still doing this out of pettiness.. I don't see the reasonable point in justifying This.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy your blindness out of loyalty is none of my concern. all I did was state legal reasons for engaging in the behavior and explaining why DawahFilm, just as you or anyone else, has a right to contact an employer about the work of an employee. In fact, employers tend to want to know if someone is linking their job and illegal activities; which thunderf00t has.
williamcardno 4 months ago
@williamcardno "Your blindness out of loyalty is none of my concern"
And with that Ad hom you have proven yourself to be out of arguments.
Your subsequent sentences did nothing to actually refute what I was saying, Which was that DawahFilms is motivated by pettiness. Weather or not he has actually done anything worth losing his job over is entirely Irrelevant and Entirely Up to his employers. I highly doubt they would give much credit to A person who makes death threats anyway.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy Conditional death threats you mean. "If you harm innocent people, we will send you to the god you wish you knew". In other words: No actual death threat. Besides, calling someone by their first name that they themselves made public is also not doc dropping. Yet Thunderf00t continues claiming that Dawah sent him a death threat and that he dropped his docs, both is more than twisting the truth. I wouldn't give much credit to a liar either, you know.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k I disagree
I think to send someone to god, Is pretty clearly saying you are going to kill them.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy In that case you also have to value Thunderf00t's video to which Dawah responded as a threat of genocide. Both made conditional threats, both acted like pompous assholes. Neither is actually a death threat. So are you actually admitting now that Thunderf00t threatened genocide?
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k Even if we are to judge them both by your standards, We would still hold DawahFilms in poor light, Because It's still DawahFilms who is trying to make it more than an online conflict by trying to get him fired.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy Your standards, not mine. Aside from that however, Dawah was the first to feel the effects of it being taken from the internet to real life. Thunderf00t was well aware that his (false) accusations caused trouble for Dawah. At least Dawah didn't spread lies about Thunderf00t, he merely linked Thunderf00t's work to his employers. As I said, if Thunderf00t's videos were all ethically and morally sound, he wouldn't have a thing to worry about, would he?
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k How was Dawah In the least bit effected? And how can you say "merely linked thunderf00t's work to his employers" The act Is not what matters, It's the intent, And The intent Is easily determined.
And everything he did way was ethical and morally sound, And you can see this by the fact that he didn't back down. He kept south park vs islam Up. Because he said nothing in that video that he was ashamed of, Or was immoral.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy How was Dawah effected? Trouble with the FBI, actual death threats to HIS family and fiancee. I was on Skype with him when he was informed that he might have been put on the no-fly list because of this bullshit. So here is an american citizen, who, in his own country, gets treated like a criminal because a pompous asshole claims he's a muslim fundamentalist. Just because a person doesn't back down, doesn't mean they are morally and ethically sound. That claim is just ridiculous.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k And that happened to DawahFilms because of his comments. If Thunderf00t was suggesting genocide, Something far worse than a singular murder, Then surely the FBI would be far more interested in him then they were DawahFilms. But they weren't. Because thunderf00t didn't say anything of the sort, But DawahFilms did.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy Bullshit. The FBI didn't give a shit about Thunderf00t's claim because they knew he was being a pompous asshole AND because he is not a muslim. You ARE aware of the bigotry towards muslims in the US, yes? How just wearing certain clothing will get you mistreated and pre-judged? You are aware of Guantanamo Bay and holding people without trial? Prejudice does a lot in this case. Oh, and nobody called the FBI on Thunderf00t. That may play a part as well?
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k And how do you know that no one called the FBI on thunderf00t? I find It just as probable that they were called but they didn't take it seriously for good reason. This is pure speculation on both our parts. And you calling the FBI racist based on no evidence Is not helpful.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy Based on no evidence? Do you not see what is going on in the US in regards to bias against anyone muslim? Have you not watched the news over the past years, visited an airport, heard about Guantanamo Bay or the no-fly list? I think you are now deliberately deceiving yourself just so you can continue defending thunderf00t's actions.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k And the only reason that such A perception exists is because of Terrorists who look and speak the same way as so called moderates such as DawahFilms. Your allusions to a racist theme in the US is fairly weak in my opinion, And in any case not substantial evidence of the FBI being racist.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy Oh, so guilt by association is okay? Gotcha. Right along the lines of Thunderf00t, who openly claims that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, that all muslims condone terrorism and don't speak out against it. THAT, my friend, is bigotry.
FelidaTheG33k 4 months ago
@FelidaTheG33k No It isn't okay. I never said it was. I merely said that that was the reason that the public holds such an opinion. Because even the self proclaimed moderates are making death threats, Or conditional death threats? Either way if you are trying to break down a stereotype, Perhaps it would be wise to separate yourself from the stereotype as much as possible, And not even step close to the area of death threats.
thecreepyguy 4 months ago
@thecreepyguy
I should not have to mold myself to bigoted perceptions. I should not have to abandon who I am as a person, or what I believe to be true, to suit the naive hatred of other people. I should not have to NOT act like a normal person, by defending myself, just because you or others will perceive me as a terrorist.
For someone so against censorship, you seem to advocate it in that you wish for me to suspend normal speech and behavior so as to suit your paranoia.
DawahFilms 4 months ago
@DawahFilms And you