the interesting part in lifes is actually what we don.t like- the limmits.to be able to do everything it is just to boring,thats why we got the limmits and have to work for the goal ,thats the purpose of this world,experiencing differences. look for answers in youre selves ,if you are joining clubs you will be abused
i heard of vegetarian criminals,and you are right but this is allso propaganda.the exess is the problem,the lack of ballance.vegees are alive too,they cry when you cut them laughing just like the meat eaters.but you don.t hear them,they are not inteligent enough for you.a stone is inteligent because it can store data. everything is alive-trust me. if i could eat nothing would be great but i cant
@shannondangc "Above all things, Jesuits are 'confessors'. Their services unto the royalty were urged as a 'need', as they became assigned to hear the confessions of the aristocrats, emperors, kings, queens, princes, princesses, ['royal'] mistresses, those in every level of government -- they all revealed their secret plans, their intimate sins, their inner-most thoughts, as their lives became virtually an open book to the Jesuits.
@shannondangc "[Wherever] a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi [Fascist], a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'adviser' or leader; in Cuba [it was] [Jesuit-trained] Castro's 'Father' Armando Llorente..."
Emanuel M. Josephson (American physician and historian)
@shannondangc "Eight years before the attempted [Spanish] Armada invasion [of 1588], Jesuits were seditiously active plotting the overthrow of the English government. By using different disguises, aliases, and secret codes, to illegally slip in and out of England, Jesuit Robert Parson, in 1580, had led and then later organized a mission to bring other Jesuits into England to engage in a work of subversion.
@shannondangc "Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the [Nazi] Party.
be exact. do you mean vegetarian or vegan. Dr. nick gonzalez alternative cancer practitioner has the most advanced understanding i know of concerning vegan / omnivore diet (renegadehealth). the genotype diet book is good also.
Excellent. Of course they will start shouting 'Hitler was a vegetarian'.. but statistically that is one in a million of the rest... [and factually he got others to do his dirty work!!]
Try being Vegetarian little by little - you'll never go back.. who wants corpses on their plates REALLY?
Most people are 80% - 90% vegetarian anyway!.. Try this - list ALL the food items (and milk in drinks)you had yesterday.. . tick every item that is NOT meat.. take a percentage check against the total!
And I have said nothing wrong. All I have said is meat eating is FOUND IN THE VEDIC scriptures. It is not my opinion but a fact. What I gather from it is my opinion and what you gather from it is your opinion.
yes it is found there but the vedas do not say it doesnt matter you can eat meat from any animal etc..and if you have to eat meat only under certain circumstances..there are discriptions that you can offer meat but this is because some parts of the vedas tell also how you get away from meat eating by offering it to certain DEMIGODS..SLOW PURIFICATION..ethat is the actual reasen IT IS REALLY LOW CLASS...please try to understand..the real goal of the vedas is to attain pure love of GOD
and if meat would be ok to eat under certain circumstances....it is clearly foodstuff in the mosde of darknes(tamo guna) and thus not recomended for spiritual advancement. which is the aim of all vedic scrptiures.
here again for everyone who wants to know something about the so called meat eating in ramayan:
there is nothing more to say.... please read all of my comments
i am of course not GOD! but i kow nGODS real reprentatives and who GOD is and i just try to follow His rules..SHRI KRISHNA IS THE SUPREME LORD the friend of all living entities.
meat eating is for the low class men (like in the west! i myself come from the west and i ate meat.meat is only allowed for certain classes unde certain circumstances..i am so greatful tu Shrila Prabhupada who saved me from this tamo-guna meat
and if meat would be ok to eat under certain circumstances....it is clearly foodstuff in the mosde of darknes(tamo guna) and thus not recomended for spiritual advancement. which is the aim of all vedic scrptiures.
here again for everyone who wants to know something about the so called meat eating in ramayan:
sorry prabhu hindu religion has nothig to do with the vedas...the word hindu ist not one time mentioned in any vedic scriptures..Shrila Prahupada calles hindu religoin something mixed up nonsence
ok now you will get sinful reations for sure..why you are saying things like this?
If you want to come back to earth (porpably as a lower animal) then go on eating meat. you are free to do what you like. but for every action you will get the reaction.
you proofed that you in deed dont know anything about what prabhupada said and preached...think more and learn more before critize persons like Him.you just ignored the right contexts of the things He said.
may al mighty god give us strength to take right direction with out hurting any animals and living a pieacfull life and showing the world as a model... may be in all diifrent religious scriptures they have mentioned where people taking meat where in desert areas very less vegitations are available, it should not prevent you to take correct decision end up in non violence and vegiterianism. its just a decision of self not to hurt any animals...
@vssharath I agree vegetarian diet is far superior to meat diet and good for the environment.
Could you ask Mr. Dasa if God allowed humans to milk a cow and drink it while depriving her calf of the same ? Besides milk contains puss and blood of the cow, her genetic material = meat.
so when ever you drink milk... which you baught by giving money always under stand urself that u cant bye love using money... u cant bye mothers milk by money... so my brothers never kill any animals especialy cow. if u dis agree, please imagine when ever u drink cows milk hw i get this, from where i gets this... and this milk belongs to whom and who have the wright to drink it. simple..
when you drink the milk you drink of ur mother... in later stage when you drink milk of a cow... she too indirectivly becomes your mother... animals are not the rights of humman beings... if a motherdog dies you feeds her small dog with cow milk.. any animals can take milk of cow... so she is know as mother of all animals because her milk can be easly digested to all animals..
@kakudmi Humans are OMNIVORES (plant- and MEAT-eaters). In addition, Jesus participated in the Passover feasts, which included LAMB MEAT (exodus 12;3-4). Jesus also ate FISH: "He said to them, "'Have you any food here?' So they gave Him a peice of broiled fish and honeycomb. And He took it and ate it in their presence." -Luke 24:41-43. He also fed FISH to a multitude of people in Matthew 15;34-37. He also helped his disciples catch FISH in John 21;5-13 and fed it to them.
You have provided no proof nor arguments. Just quoting Bible or your own opinion doesn't get you anywhere.
This video represents Vedic view, not Biblical. Besides, there are only a few people who can interpret Bible. You're not one of them, your words are not authentic. I suggest you take a different approach.
I am a devout HINDU and I eat meat bc Hinduism and Vedic texts allows meat. Hindus who do not eat meat have been influenced by Jainism. Read the Vedas, Manu Smirti and Ramayana
Read and study the history of Hinduism, you will know that there was no restrictions on meat eating until the rise of Jainism. Even Buddhists ate meat and still do from time to time. Strict vegetarianism is a Jain concept, not Hindu(Vedic) or Buddhist.
so this video presents the VAISHNAVA point of view on this topic and the VAISHNAVA SIDDHANTA of the vedic scriptures..i would wonder if you never heard about VAISHNAVISM as a so called Hindu from india...VAISHNAVISM is one of the three biggest parties of so called Hinduism. And Shrila Prabhupada was one the highest Representatives of VAISHNAVISM through out the whole world.and also the vedic scriptures can only be understood by following on of three authorized VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYAS
sorry prabhu hindu religion has nothig to do with the vedas...the word hindu ist not one time mentioned in any vedic scriptures..Shrila Prahupada calles hindu religoin something mixed up nonsence
Yes, the original caste system was NOT a birth based system. However, you are incorrect regarding meat. Again, anyone here can pick up any copy of the Vedas and it is very clear that we Hindus are allowed meat, especially in times of war.
For example, Prahbupada says women are less intelligent than men and are the inferior sex and so they will beed to be reborn a man to reach moksha.
Prabhupada obviously was not well versed in the Vedic scriptures as there were WOMEN rishikas that WROTE the Vedas. The Vedas is the holliest scriptures of the Hindus without any doubt but according to Prahbupada women do not have the wisdom to spiritualize men, even though in the Vedas they did.
for example the original vedic cast system was not set by birth...but by actual qualification...most kali-yuga brahmanas of today are not brahmanas...there actually not better than shudras
so learn more about vedic history
you should know that the vedas can only be understood by following an authorized sampradaya
read manu-smriti: "If one considers the abominable source and the cruelty which are associated with the captivity and the slaughtering of embodied beings, one should fully abstain from eating meat."
Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”
Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.
Lord Krishna says"If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it."
Lord Krishna does not mention something like meat...why? because will not accept food in the mode of ignorance!
sorry prabhu but what you are spreading around in the name of the veidc scriptures is not correct or authorized..you cannot do...plaese stop this or there will be sinful reactions
all the best HARE KRISHNA your servant hariharihari108
I encourage EVERYONE here to read the Vedic scriptures themselves. In the Vedas, meat is sacrificed as food that was eaten by Vedic Hindus and The Ramayana, Lord Rama and Sita eat deer meat. Lord Krishna also ate meat.
There is no sinful reaction in what I am saying. Plants have souls, so does bacteria. Learn about the ecological system.
I am not authorizing anything, It's clear in the Vedic scriptures.
because of that in christianity there is no real diciplic-succession, which can be traced back directly to Jesus Christ, you will never know if this true or not.so its just speculation that jesus ate meat. remember that the texts of the modern bible were written 100 years after the crucifiction und being so often changed and edited.that is fact. its interesting to see what some of the original communties during the actual lifetime of jesus christ preached.like the ebionites
God does not want us to eat unhealthy food, correct. Where your argument is flawed (a rather large flaw) is that NATURAL MEAT (fresh, unprocessed meat) IS HEALTHY. Those studies are comparing relatively healthy vegetarians to unhealthy omnivores. Also, Jesus ate meat!
Fresh, unprocessed meat is healty for meat eaters. Humans are not meat eaters, ergo, any meat is unhealthy for humans. You must have missed this point.
Jesus ate meat? Which studies you're reffering to? (sarcasm).
Our identity does. If your self-awareness was material, it would change into many different identities over time. However, we are all aware of the fact that our identity hasn't changed since we remember ourselves. This is not the quality of matter. Matter changes all the time. So should our self-awareness or identity. Since it doesn't, the conclusion is that it is not material, but spiritual.
The Vedic caste system wasn't created for discriminative purposes,it was rather to maintain a social order.Pls do not spread lies and deceit about the Vedic faith. If you need more information pls do your research and you'll have your answer. Do not blame GOD and religion for what man did and are doing. Do learn to differentiate!!
If Viewers are Cristen I wana share with them. God Yishu was Vegi. I can compare cow to prabhu Yishu. they were graceful to people bt people killed him. Prabhu Ishu said last time " Hey god forgive them, they donno wat they doin!" soo I request u please b vegi. or at least don kill cows.
Because he was sick due to his extensive love for chocolate, which rendered his intestines sick and unable to digest meat. It was not his free choice of diet.
vedic knowledge.........the same knowledge that created the caste system and the untouchable class..............yes.......things to be proud of.........
This does not have anything to do with god. God made animals for a purpose, to eat them could be it. This video just shows that we could feed more people without meat.
@torrid426 that does not change the fact that if you eat meat your a fool, because you eat a rotting corpse. and this dead animal is not even killed by your own bare hands, but you let someone else do it for you.
you dont have the guts to kill the animal yourself. and even if you do, whats the use of it???
I have said several things. Which points are you talking about ? You can easily google most of what I have written.
Delete my post if you want. If you do never make the mistake of thinking you are not a coward.
What points do you want supporting information on ?
If its the feed the world thing . The USA does not farm 30% - 40% of its farm land. The government pays the farms to not farm. If that is not the one you disagree on I wont explain further.
Anything you say may or may not be true. But to represent it as true, and proclaiming others points to be invalid, just because you say so, is not acceptable. Goggling something does not make it true.
Also, just because someone wrote somewhere about some research, also doesn't make it true.
But if you are to present such information, at least be respectable toward others and try not to say "I'm right-you're wrong." because reading your posts one my get that impression.
You are in Croatia. I dont know what official institution to direct you to. Even if you google something you have to make sure its from a good source. You don't want some guys web page and often you don't want American news.
The statements you claim are scientific facts simply are not true or presented in a misleading way.
If my comments come off as me claiming that I'm right and you are wrong then you are understanding me just fine.
When you judge what is true and what isn't, you have to be in the position of knowing the truth, otherwise you would not rush to discriminate in this way. Unless you are absolutely sure in the source of your own knowledge and belief system, it is pointless to judge someone's arguments as true or false.
You can say "I don't believe this to be true." but you cannot say "This is not true."
If you insist in being right, then why bother commenting. You don't need my approval.
You are not supposed to trust my word you are supposed to pick a topic you think I'm wrong on and I will prove you wrong.
If you feel so strongly about man being flawed than you must admit that you could be wrong about God and vegetarianism. You have no proof should we trust your word ?
The Baltimore study showed that burnt food leads to colon cancer meat or vegetables. You choose to be misleading about their findings.
I asked you to pick one topic at a time. I claim to have proof on each of the topics we have covered, you do not believe me.
Here is where yo are supposed to pick the first topic and I provide my evidence. After the evidence is provided you decide if you believe it or need more evidence.
Your last sentence indicates that you made this topic to debate but you only claim that I will not have a civilized discussion.
I will mock them until they give up. It wont take them ling to rationalize that I'm the one not listening but they will all ways be afraid to talk to me.
I'm one of those guys that can go into a forest without even a knife and live. I can set a trap or kill an animal with a fire hardened stick.
I do not have the biology to stop eating meat. I am allergic to most vegan foods. I also will develop a deteriorating neurological condition if I don't eat meat. Science cannot synthesize everything yet. On the up side 1 day of sun and I have and can store enough vitamin D for almost a year.
Since ignorance of the Bible is so rampant here, I'm sharing sample verses proving that killing of animals is not sin. In Exodus 20:13, God commanded not to kill. But in Exodus 29:11, He specifically commanded the killing of bullocks for sacrifice. Is God contradicting Himself? No, because in Exo 20:13 the original Hebrew word used is râtsach (רצח) which means killing another person by murder. While in Exo 29:11, the Hebrew word is shâchaṭ (שׁחט) which means slaughter (the animal).
@titodelibero Hitler never was a vegetarian, that is an old wives tale, he loved his German sausages but meat generally upset his stomach but he still ate it. There is enough info on internet. Often people use this fable to make vegetarians look stupid..rather silly
Who told you that the holocaust was a fraud ? There are uneducated people in the middle east who believe if the holocaust is refuted the Jews will have to leave Israel and go back to Europe.
God commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals...that is KILLING per se. He commanded Israelites to kill both people and animals when they had to invade lands. Israelites who received the commandments were allowed to eat animals as long as they were not among those they considered "unclean".
GO READ THE BIBLE BEFORE MAKING STUPID ASSUMPTIONS!
think about this people. if you've got someone locked up in a room just killing babies all day, that person's a danger to society right? So then similarly, if you've got someone locked up in a room just killing animals all day they're also a danger to society because they're both high levels of violence. just like we're horrified when we hear about people abusing cats and dogs, so the how are the chickens and cows any different?
I don't know how old you are. But if you have common sense, you would have understood what I was talking about. You sound like you haven't read the bible.
(cont) furthermore, you claim that there are almost no violent vegetarians.I do not mean to offend but this is an ignorant statement. Have you heard of Charles Manson? He was a vegan. Pol Pot? Vegan. How does the simple fact that you do not hear about a terrorist or a criminal being a vegetarian, mean he is not one? When have you ever heard about a terrorist's diet? What they eat is not important so it is left out of news stories and reports. This means nothing and has no place in a debate.
OK, look at what you're saying: "How does the simple fact that you do not hear about a terrorist or a criminal being a vegetarian, mean he is not one?" ......so, the opposite is also valid. You may be hearing about a vegan criminal, but how do you know he really is a vegan?
So, this logic is not working in a debate, that's why I cannot really respond.
@kakudmi There is evidence that these men were in fact vegan. There are reports and first-hand accounts of that.Charles Manson is still alive, so you could probably go and ask him about his diet if you want. The logic is sound, which is why you are unable to refute it.
I am interested in the most logical arguments, not battling with others.
Eating meat is not the only cause of violent behavior in humans. It is merely a symptom of environmental conditioning, but it is certainly fueling the inner rage one may hold in the subconscious. When an animal is killed, the pain and agony adrenaline fills its flesh, which cannot be burned in normal cooking procedure. That adrenalin is ingested and absorbed by human cells.
Constant absorption of surplus adrenaline causes numerous failures in the human body. This is nothing new. But psychologically speaking, that surplus adrenaline will eventually block serotonin, dopamine and endorphin receptors causing the elevation of lower urges for overeating, too much sex, intoxicants and most of all, violence. These habits will be used as a replacement for normal human happiness, as the surplus adrenalin is blocking it.
Also, I am not capable of giving you scientific debate as I am not qualified to do so. I can quote you the Vedas and offer you philosophical debate, if you're interested.
Youre drawing connections where there are none to be drawn.You assume that violence is caused by eating meat. You stated that if everyone were vegetarian, there would be no terrorism. How can that so when most terrorists do what they do because of religious differences, not because of what they eat. Now you may say that they are more likely to go about their business violently because they eat meat, however there is no evidence to support this theory.
It is difficult to argue with you because you use absolutist statements, such as: It's like this, it's not like that.
There are facts that cannot be proven simply by commenting on youtube. If you have better philosophy and better arguments, post a video, instead of trying to discredit what we did here.
@kakudmi You are the one who made those types of statements my friend. You said that eating meat leads to violence. You did not say that it COULD lead to it. you said that it DOES lead to it. "No meat=No killing=No mentality of violence=NO TERRORISM" that sounds like an "absolutist statement" to me. I'm not trying to discredit what you tried to do here I'm just saying that if you're going to make a statement such as that, at least have some evidence to back it up.
I am quoting the Vedas. I do not make up my own answers. Those absolutist statements are a part of Vedic wisdom and in order to understand why Vedas talk this way, the subject matter must be viewed in the context of Vedic wisdom, not outside of it. If you're prepared to hear the whole story, there's so much to be told about this subject matter of meat vs. vegetarian diet.
Most meat eaters don't kill their own meat. In fact, many meat eaters do not like to see the meat they eat being killed. Anyways, the Bible teaches that man was originally made to eat just vegetables, fruits, herbs, etc. However, after the flood the Creator allowed Noah and his family to eat meat. Eating meat is permissable and is not a sin. However, in the millenial kingdom neither man nor animal will eat meat. Therefore, we can see that eating meat is a temporary measure allowed by God.
@kakudmi My mother for one. She will eat most meats but does not desire to see the meat killed. Most families do not kill their meat on a regular basis; rather, they buy it at a store where it has already been processed into the final cuts. The killing is done in large factories by the employees who work there. My point is that most people who eat meat, at least in America, are isolated from the original source of food and only see it once it gets to market already dead.
@kakudmi This isolation from the food source is not just applicable to animals but to vegetables and fruits as well. People do not generally go out and pick their fruit off a tree or dig up their own carrots. Instead they go to the market and buy it. The sad part is some people will answer the question, "where does food come from?" with "from the super market." Those who do are the extreme examples of how isolated people can become from their food source.
I agree on the point of temporary measure in order to ease human suffering due to extreme condition.
Vedas also allow meat eating without considering it a sin, in case of extreme conditions when plant food is not available. Thou shall not kill, is one of the most important commands in the Bible (they all are) which means first of all don't kill a human being. So, if by not killing animals, human being lives, then killing animals is unecessery and sinful.
You're totally wrong. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" refers to murder only and not KILLING in general. Have you ever wondered why God commanded the Israelites to invade lands and kill their inhabitants? And when God gave the command to do sacrifices, it involves blood of animals. Do you think they just used syringe to get the animal blood and kept them alive?
@ALightMasquerade (If you are going to compare people to animals) chimps also have sharp front teeth, but they are herbivores (except for occasional bugs). These sharp teeth are used for defense, not for tearing meat. The rest of our teeth and even our "sharp" teeth are rather dull compared to those of other predators.
ChristianVeg (dot) org doesnt claim he was veg, but would today.
Meat increases World Hunger: 10lbs of corn or grains fed to animals produce just 1 lb of flesh is very inefficient, so eat crops directly feeds more! Cruel cages used to reduce exercise.
Meat increases health care costs and is leading cause of death (heart disease even if thin and fit, colon cancer, obesity). Its horrible for our Environment and Animals MeetYourMeat (dot)com Factory Farm footage! FamousVeggie (dot)com
@kakudmi (cont) It is a fact that a vegan lifestyle is healthier for you, and the environment (cattle CO2 emissions). In these argument you can show causation, and in the violence arguments you can only show correlation. By grouping these arguments together, you weaken the overall argument.
Students of Vedas do not accept any kind of arguments that aren't within our scope of direct experience. We don't argue about "maybe this" or "maybe that". We don't dwell on the logic of those who make experiments in expensive labs, supported by exploitative industries interested only in profit. Knowledge does not come from those who make mistakes all the time. So, perhaps you don't accept my logic, that is fine. No one is hurt and we can move on.
@kakudmi ... You still haven't proven direct causation, merely a correlation between two things. There are so many other explanations, for example it is possible that a gene in the genetic code makes certain people have a propensity for being butchers, and thus gravitate towards that profession, but are also murderers.
The example is a bit ridiculous, but it makes my point. Please, spread solid arguments in favor of our cause .. (cont)
There are millions of possiblities if you look at it that way. Vedas support only what can be experienced. Talking about genes proves nothing, because neither you nor I can really stand behind the genetics and their theories. There is no human nature, only human behavior which is conditioned by the environment. You can learn to be violent simply by being violent, simply by learning from the people around you. What I can tell you is what I've personally witnessed.
@kakudmi I'm sorry, but did you just draw a correlation between terrorism and meat eating? You're kidding right? Numerous studies have shown that violent reactions are in our genetic code, so not eating meat will never eliminate war. There's no empirical data to back up your comments regarding the thrill of the kill, or the murdering of animals over time has a psychological effect.
Let's see: "numerous studies" is not a valid argument. Neither you or myself have conducted those studies and therefore no empirical evidence either. I have personally witnessed active behavior of a local slaughter-guy in our village during the war in Croatia, and I have seen how his behavior was more animalistic and violent than other people around him. He was used to killing, so it was easy for him to kill humans as well. Why don't you make that experiment and see it for yourself?
I think the only reason I still eat meat is because it's cheaper than living solely on vegetarian food. If everyone around me was a vegetarian, which of course would make it a lot cheaper, I wouldn't have a problem giving up meat.
Does plants have life? Do they talk & hear? When you milk cow does she feel pain? Arent you stealing milk from cow for your own nutrients.
Killing 1 animal Is better than killing 100 plants
Plant is a lesser species as compared to de animal, by taking life of 1 average animal we can feed 100 ppl. But if we have to feed the same 100 ppl with pure vegetarian food, more than a 100 plant lives will have to be taken.
@pppeaacceee see this is what happens bro when u dont have knowledge and u talk all rubbish....do u know 70% of american fields grow fodder for animals and then they cut animals for non veg people ... for 1 kg beef 17 kg of fodder is required and 16000 litres of water..if u stop consuming non veg...that 17kg of food can be directly feed to the people who are dying of hunger in the world...only prb with u is u havent seen humans living like garbage eating mud just to make their stomach feel heavy
@pppeaacceee listen to sri sri ravi shankar if u want to understand the peace "art of living" :)
see brother i m not ur enemy or anything....just wanted to tell ur reality as we live in metro cities we dont see anything wrong around us..but in reality humans are living more badly than can u imagine ...
Brother neither I am talking of enemity nor my intention is for enemity. I just want understand how do you see the life & its process? As life comes with science. I am born Hindu & was lost about what is life? how was earth made? what is in sky? how was man created? why animals are killed? how to preserve plants? Till I read Quran, all the questions were answered. So I just wanted your comments, how do you see life in your perspective.
@pppeaacceee I dont know what are u feelings and what are u searching in life...but if u never tried to understand hinduism how can u say ur search is completed..u were confused u say...confused in matter how man was created...quran says adam and eve just think about it adam and eve if are our father and mother that means we all r brother and sister... so if we marry a any girl she is child of adam and eve that means we do incest.!! I will say u have lost ur way now if u want to know truth..
@AkkiSantana visit w w w.agniveer.com or join any swami dayananda saraswati community in orkut and find the real truth about life...how man exists that is very low level question today great scientist says that earth was never created by any god it all came from big bang..energy transforms from one form to another...u know newtons law..and even more things if u go deep in study u will find...see if ur truth seeker u will find truth by ur self thanku...
I am just searching for peace & justice to mankind. Well I would like to know your point of view then how humanbeing were created? earth was made.
Sometimes I find hypocrisy where you can kill insects mosquitoes, cockroaches etc.. wear leather belts or shoes for your own good cause, then dont they have lives which it is made of. no mercy for plants which has live & destroy them.
@pppeaacceee seriously dude i m not interested in getting into debate with u....if ur interested to understand reality...i gave u website go there and search truth for ur self....the points ur telling me is nothing but waste debate betweeen u and me which will never reach conclusion...thanku bro...
(16:115) “He has only forbidden you dead meat and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits - then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
And it is He Who produces gardens trellised and untrellised, And date-palms, and crops of different shape and taste and olives, and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in taste). Eat of their fruits when they ripen, but pay the due thereof on the day of its harvest, And waste not by extravagance. Verily, He likes not those who waste by extravagance. (6:141)
If you arehuman look inside your mouth if you have teeth that are not molars than guess what dumbass you ave meat eating teeth and if we hve meat eating teeth and only eat vegtables thats wrong i mean would you give a lion only salads for the rest of its life if you tried to yes because it would die very soon it would die of starvation.
All meat eaters eat their meat raw. Why don't you try eating that way for a few months and let me know how things are going with your teeth.
I eat only vegetarian food for the past 17 years and I am in full health. Actually, I am a teacher giving seminars how to be healthy. For the past 4 years I haven't had one single disease, including cold or a flu.
@kakudmi i have been eating meat and vegetables all my life and I am fine. How much do you charge for your seminars? I will start giving seminars about how eating meat makes you healthy!
acts 10-13 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
@copznrobbas the word for killing humans is murder, if god meant humans he would have said murder. killing is still killing be it man, animal or even an ant. the exact hebrew wording is lo tirtzack. tirtzack refers to "any kind of killing". god said thou shall not kill, so you should follow what god says, as a Christian it's your duty to follow Gods words as they are, not your own interpretation. that applies to any religious scripture or teaching
the interesting part in lifes is actually what we don.t like- the limmits.to be able to do everything it is just to boring,thats why we got the limmits and have to work for the goal ,thats the purpose of this world,experiencing differences. look for answers in youre selves ,if you are joining clubs you will be abused
metalgodkill 1 month ago
i heard of vegetarian criminals,and you are right but this is allso propaganda.the exess is the problem,the lack of ballance.vegees are alive too,they cry when you cut them laughing just like the meat eaters.but you don.t hear them,they are not inteligent enough for you.a stone is inteligent because it can store data. everything is alive-trust me. if i could eat nothing would be great but i cant
metalgodkill 1 month ago
just because people ate meat in the Bible doesn't mean we should. just because people rape others doesn't mean we should.
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@shannondangc "[Wherever] a totalitarian movement erupts, whether Communist or Nazi [Fascist], a Jesuit can be found in the role of 'adviser' or leader; in Cuba [it was] [Jesuit-trained] Castro's 'Father' Armando Llorente..."
Emanuel M. Josephson (American physician and historian)
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@shannondangc "Eight years before the attempted [Spanish] Armada invasion [of 1588], Jesuits were seditiously active plotting the overthrow of the English government. By using different disguises, aliases, and secret codes, to illegally slip in and out of England, Jesuit Robert Parson, in 1580, had led and then later organized a mission to bring other Jesuits into England to engage in a work of subversion.
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@shannondangc "Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the [Nazi] Party.
countdumas 1 month ago
be exact. do you mean vegetarian or vegan. Dr. nick gonzalez alternative cancer practitioner has the most advanced understanding i know of concerning vegan / omnivore diet (renegadehealth). the genotype diet book is good also.
CmdrSoCal 3 months ago
google meat eaters illumnati
Shiretb 4 months ago
@ArabNobility Many good Muslims live on dates, bread and milk, and they are satisfied in their love for Allah . Hare Krishna.
Tamoharadasa 4 months ago 6
Nandanandana Prabhu tells it like it is! Jaya Prabhu! Obeisances and thanks.
Tamoharadasa 4 months ago
Excellent. Of course they will start shouting 'Hitler was a vegetarian'.. but statistically that is one in a million of the rest... [and factually he got others to do his dirty work!!]
Try being Vegetarian little by little - you'll never go back.. who wants corpses on their plates REALLY?
Most people are 80% - 90% vegetarian anyway!.. Try this - list ALL the food items (and milk in drinks)you had yesterday.. . tick every item that is NOT meat.. take a percentage check against the total!
georgiegirlize 4 months ago
please read Shrila Prabhupadas books...just try to understand
dont be biased..
HARE KRISHNA
hariharihari108 5 months ago
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here again for everyone who wants to know something about the so called meat eating in ramayan!!HERE THE LINK:
absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/meat-eating-in-vedic-scriptures
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dont be missled!!
hariharihari108 5 months ago
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here again for everyone who wants to know something about the called meat eating in ramayan
absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/meat-eating-in-vedic-scriptures
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dont be missled!!
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
And I have said nothing wrong. All I have said is meat eating is FOUND IN THE VEDIC scriptures. It is not my opinion but a fact. What I gather from it is my opinion and what you gather from it is your opinion.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
yes it is found there but the vedas do not say it doesnt matter you can eat meat from any animal etc..and if you have to eat meat only under certain circumstances..there are discriptions that you can offer meat but this is because some parts of the vedas tell also how you get away from meat eating by offering it to certain DEMIGODS..SLOW PURIFICATION..ethat is the actual reasen IT IS REALLY LOW CLASS...please try to understand..the real goal of the vedas is to attain pure love of GOD
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@sungod221
please studie vaishnava-philosophie...GOD bless you! HARE KRISHNA
hariharihari108 5 months ago
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here again for everyone who wants to something about the called meat eating in ramayan
absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/meat-eating-in-vedic-scriptures
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dont be missled!!
hariharihari108 5 months ago
and if meat would be ok to eat under certain circumstances....it is clearly foodstuff in the mosde of darknes(tamo guna) and thus not recomended for spiritual advancement. which is the aim of all vedic scrptiures.
here again for everyone who wants to know something about the so called meat eating in ramayan:
absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/meat-eating-in-vedic-scriptures
the VAISHNAVA Interpretation of the Ramayan is here accepted
HARE KRISHNA
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
Plus, you have not refuted anything I have stated, because you cant. If you want, we can discuss these issues off the board here.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
there is nothing more to say.... please read all of my comments
i am of course not GOD! but i kow nGODS real reprentatives and who GOD is and i just try to follow His rules..SHRI KRISHNA IS THE SUPREME LORD the friend of all living entities.
meat eating is for the low class men (like in the west! i myself come from the west and i ate meat.meat is only allowed for certain classes unde certain circumstances..i am so greatful tu Shrila Prabhupada who saved me from this tamo-guna meat
hariharihari108 5 months ago
and if meat would be ok to eat under certain circumstances....it is clearly foodstuff in the mosde of darknes(tamo guna) and thus not recomended for spiritual advancement. which is the aim of all vedic scrptiures.
here again for everyone who wants to know something about the so called meat eating in ramayan:
absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/meat-eating-in-vedic-scriptures
only the VAISHNAVA Interpretation of the Ramayan is here accepted
HARE KRISHNA
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@sungod221
sorry prabhu hindu religion has nothig to do with the vedas...the word hindu ist not one time mentioned in any vedic scriptures..Shrila Prahupada calles hindu religoin something mixed up nonsence
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
I use the term Hindu with Vedic interchangeably as they are one and the same. Therefore, when I say the word Hindu, I also mean Vedic.
Prabupada was a racist and sexist. He is far from Vedic.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
ok now you will get sinful reations for sure..why you are saying things like this?
If you want to come back to earth (porpably as a lower animal) then go on eating meat. you are free to do what you like. but for every action you will get the reaction.
you proofed that you in deed dont know anything about what prabhupada said and preached...think more and learn more before critize persons like Him.you just ignored the right contexts of the things He said.
there nothing more to say
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
so now you are threatning me and telling me that I am going to get sinful reactions. Are you God?
Be careful of the things you say. Poeple like you are the reason why the lower castes in India are treated so horribly.
You think you have power. You are NOTHING. Get over your ego.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
hariharihari108 5 months ago
Hare Krishna
hariharihari108 5 months ago
may al mighty god give us strength to take right direction with out hurting any animals and living a pieacfull life and showing the world as a model... may be in all diifrent religious scriptures they have mentioned where people taking meat where in desert areas very less vegitations are available, it should not prevent you to take correct decision end up in non violence and vegiterianism. its just a decision of self not to hurt any animals...
vssharath 6 months ago
@vssharath I agree vegetarian diet is far superior to meat diet and good for the environment.
Could you ask Mr. Dasa if God allowed humans to milk a cow and drink it while depriving her calf of the same ? Besides milk contains puss and blood of the cow, her genetic material = meat.
Zeno1999 5 months ago
so when ever you drink milk... which you baught by giving money always under stand urself that u cant bye love using money... u cant bye mothers milk by money... so my brothers never kill any animals especialy cow. if u dis agree, please imagine when ever u drink cows milk hw i get this, from where i gets this... and this milk belongs to whom and who have the wright to drink it. simple..
vssharath 6 months ago
when you drink the milk you drink of ur mother... in later stage when you drink milk of a cow... she too indirectivly becomes your mother... animals are not the rights of humman beings... if a motherdog dies you feeds her small dog with cow milk.. any animals can take milk of cow... so she is know as mother of all animals because her milk can be easly digested to all animals..
vssharath 6 months ago
@kakudmi I wasn't INTERPRETING the Bible. THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS! That is all the proof needed. You are the one simply giving opinions.
BluefruitNMusicSnow 6 months ago
Here's a better question, do I care what your imaginary friend wants me to eat over what I want to eat?
Tommy9834 6 months ago
@kakudmi Humans are OMNIVORES (plant- and MEAT-eaters). In addition, Jesus participated in the Passover feasts, which included LAMB MEAT (exodus 12;3-4). Jesus also ate FISH: "He said to them, "'Have you any food here?' So they gave Him a peice of broiled fish and honeycomb. And He took it and ate it in their presence." -Luke 24:41-43. He also fed FISH to a multitude of people in Matthew 15;34-37. He also helped his disciples catch FISH in John 21;5-13 and fed it to them.
BluefruitNMusicSnow 6 months ago
@BluefruitNMusicSnow
You have provided no proof nor arguments. Just quoting Bible or your own opinion doesn't get you anywhere.
This video represents Vedic view, not Biblical. Besides, there are only a few people who can interpret Bible. You're not one of them, your words are not authentic. I suggest you take a different approach.
kakudmi 6 months ago
@kakudmi
I am a devout HINDU and I eat meat bc Hinduism and Vedic texts allows meat. Hindus who do not eat meat have been influenced by Jainism. Read the Vedas, Manu Smirti and Ramayana
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221
There are no mentions of Hindu in the Vedas. It is a British concoction and does not belong to the vedic discussion.
kakudmi 6 months ago
@kakudmi
Vedic texts allow meat eating. The Vedas allows meat to be eaten as long as they are sacrificed properly to God.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221
Can you quote one verse that allows animal sacrifices in Kali-yuga?
kakudmi 6 months ago
@kakudmi
Read and study the history of Hinduism, you will know that there was no restrictions on meat eating until the rise of Jainism. Even Buddhists ate meat and still do from time to time. Strict vegetarianism is a Jain concept, not Hindu(Vedic) or Buddhist.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
Buddhists reject Vedas and Hindus are not within the vedic culture.
So, yes, I agree there are no restrictions for them. They have their own system of belief, which is not supported by the Vedas.
kakudmi 5 months ago
@kakudmi
Strict vegetarianism is a jain not concept, NOT Buddhist OR VEDIC.
VEDIC is ok with meat. I use Hindu and Vedic interchangeable as they are one and the same.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
it is vaishnavism....why you are always mentioning jainism?
vaishnava = servant of vishnu (god)
did you ever heard this?...
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@sungod221
so this video presents the VAISHNAVA point of view on this topic and the VAISHNAVA SIDDHANTA of the vedic scriptures..i would wonder if you never heard about VAISHNAVISM as a so called Hindu from india...VAISHNAVISM is one of the three biggest parties of so called Hinduism. And Shrila Prabhupada was one the highest Representatives of VAISHNAVISM through out the whole world.and also the vedic scriptures can only be understood by following on of three authorized VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYAS
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
four authorized vaishnava sampradayas
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@sungod221
sorry prabhu hindu religion has nothig to do with the vedas...the word hindu ist not one time mentioned in any vedic scriptures..Shrila Prahupada calles hindu religoin something mixed up nonsence
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
Yes, the original caste system was NOT a birth based system. However, you are incorrect regarding meat. Again, anyone here can pick up any copy of the Vedas and it is very clear that we Hindus are allowed meat, especially in times of war.
Srila Prahbupada is not a Hindu or Vedic Guru.
sungod221 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
For example, Prahbupada says women are less intelligent than men and are the inferior sex and so they will beed to be reborn a man to reach moksha.
Prabhupada obviously was not well versed in the Vedic scriptures as there were WOMEN rishikas that WROTE the Vedas. The Vedas is the holliest scriptures of the Hindus without any doubt but according to Prahbupada women do not have the wisdom to spiritualize men, even though in the Vedas they did.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
for example the original vedic cast system was not set by birth...but by actual qualification...most kali-yuga brahmanas of today are not brahmanas...there actually not better than shudras
so learn more about vedic history
you should know that the vedas can only be understood by following an authorized sampradaya
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@sungod221
and learn more about "so called meat eating" in ramayan:
absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/meat-eating-in-vedic-scriptures
read manu-smriti: "If one considers the abominable source and the cruelty which are associated with the captivity and the slaughtering of embodied beings, one should fully abstain from eating meat."
Manu-smriti, 5.49
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”
Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.
sungod221 5 months ago
@sungod221
and alos bhagavad gita 9.26
Lord Krishna says"If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it."
Lord Krishna does not mention something like meat...why? because will not accept food in the mode of ignorance!
sorry prabhu but what you are spreading around in the name of the veidc scriptures is not correct or authorized..you cannot do...plaese stop this or there will be sinful reactions
all the best HARE KRISHNA your servant hariharihari108
hariharihari108 5 months ago
@hariharihari108
I encourage EVERYONE here to read the Vedic scriptures themselves. In the Vedas, meat is sacrificed as food that was eaten by Vedic Hindus and The Ramayana, Lord Rama and Sita eat deer meat. Lord Krishna also ate meat.
There is no sinful reaction in what I am saying. Plants have souls, so does bacteria. Learn about the ecological system.
I am not authorizing anything, It's clear in the Vedic scriptures.
sungod221 5 months ago
@BluefruitNMusicSnow
Vedas allowed meat too. Lord Krishna and Lord Rama ate meat. In the Ramayana Lord Rama and Goddess Sita hunted deer meat.
Hindus dont eat meat today due to jainism which preaches strict vegetarianism.
Plus, vegetarianism is not logical, read the vegetarian myth if you get a chance.
sungod221 6 months ago
@BluefruitNMusicSnow
because of that in christianity there is no real diciplic-succession, which can be traced back directly to Jesus Christ, you will never know if this true or not.so its just speculation that jesus ate meat. remember that the texts of the modern bible were written 100 years after the crucifiction und being so often changed and edited.that is fact. its interesting to see what some of the original communties during the actual lifetime of jesus christ preached.like the ebionites
hariharihari108 5 months ago
God does not want us to eat unhealthy food, correct. Where your argument is flawed (a rather large flaw) is that NATURAL MEAT (fresh, unprocessed meat) IS HEALTHY. Those studies are comparing relatively healthy vegetarians to unhealthy omnivores. Also, Jesus ate meat!
BluefruitNMusicSnow 6 months ago
@BluefruitNMusicSnow
Fresh, unprocessed meat is healty for meat eaters. Humans are not meat eaters, ergo, any meat is unhealthy for humans. You must have missed this point.
Jesus ate meat? Which studies you're reffering to? (sarcasm).
kakudmi 6 months ago
no one lives forever..... eat and enjoy life :)
toomuchtohandle9 7 months ago
@toomuchtohandle9
Our identity does. If your self-awareness was material, it would change into many different identities over time. However, we are all aware of the fact that our identity hasn't changed since we remember ourselves. This is not the quality of matter. Matter changes all the time. So should our self-awareness or identity. Since it doesn't, the conclusion is that it is not material, but spiritual.
thanks
kakudmi 7 months ago
No, God does not want us to eat meat. The animals don't want us to eat them either. So there you go, it's a win - win. Don't eat meat.
1imesub 7 months ago
The Vedic caste system wasn't created for discriminative purposes,it was rather to maintain a social order.Pls do not spread lies and deceit about the Vedic faith. If you need more information pls do your research and you'll have your answer. Do not blame GOD and religion for what man did and are doing. Do learn to differentiate!!
MrTwista8819 8 months ago
@MrTwista8819
Who are you referring to?
kakudmi 8 months ago
@kakudmi
To 'agricola' and anyone who has a misconception about the caste system and the Vedic faith.
Jai Shri Ram!!
MrTwista8819 8 months ago
If Viewers are Cristen I wana share with them. God Yishu was Vegi. I can compare cow to prabhu Yishu. they were graceful to people bt people killed him. Prabhu Ishu said last time " Hey god forgive them, they donno wat they doin!" soo I request u please b vegi. or at least don kill cows.
babaaj 9 months ago
hitler was a vegetarian
agricola 9 months ago
@agricola
Because he was sick due to his extensive love for chocolate, which rendered his intestines sick and unable to digest meat. It was not his free choice of diet.
kakudmi 9 months ago
@agricola This is relevant how?
Carbide195 9 months ago
@agricola And Stalin wasn't. So what the fuck is your point?
StevenBee2 9 months ago
vedic knowledge.........the same knowledge that created the caste system and the untouchable class..............yes.......things to be proud of.........
agricola 9 months ago
@agricola
Do you understand the vedic definitions of the words "cast" and "untouchable"?
kakudmi 9 months ago
This does not have anything to do with god. God made animals for a purpose, to eat them could be it. This video just shows that we could feed more people without meat.
SuperBenchamin 9 months ago
@SuperBenchamin
You said a few things, and I assume you're standing behind it.
Can you somehow show us how do you know God's purpose for the existence of animals?
kakudmi 9 months ago
The stupidity this moron spouts is galling !
The USA alone can feed the entire world. We choose not to. Not raising cattle would not cure poverty or starvation.
The land used to grow cattle feed would not be used to feed the hungry. The water would not be sent to starving countries.
Apparently eating only veggies destroys your common sense .
torrid426 10 months ago
@torrid426 that does not change the fact that if you eat meat your a fool, because you eat a rotting corpse. and this dead animal is not even killed by your own bare hands, but you let someone else do it for you.
you dont have the guts to kill the animal yourself. and even if you do, whats the use of it???
you dont have the power to stop eating meat
Kapojos 10 months ago
@torrid426
Where did you get those informations from?
The purpose of the comments is to say something valid and provable.
You provided neither validity nor proof. I don't have to delete this post, but you're only embarrassing yourself.
kakudmi 9 months ago
@kakudmi
I have said several things. Which points are you talking about ? You can easily google most of what I have written.
Delete my post if you want. If you do never make the mistake of thinking you are not a coward.
What points do you want supporting information on ?
If its the feed the world thing . The USA does not farm 30% - 40% of its farm land. The government pays the farms to not farm. If that is not the one you disagree on I wont explain further.
torrid426 9 months ago
@torrid426
Anything you say may or may not be true. But to represent it as true, and proclaiming others points to be invalid, just because you say so, is not acceptable. Goggling something does not make it true.
Also, just because someone wrote somewhere about some research, also doesn't make it true.
But if you are to present such information, at least be respectable toward others and try not to say "I'm right-you're wrong." because reading your posts one my get that impression.
kakudmi 9 months ago
@kakudmi
You are in Croatia. I dont know what official institution to direct you to. Even if you google something you have to make sure its from a good source. You don't want some guys web page and often you don't want American news.
The statements you claim are scientific facts simply are not true or presented in a misleading way.
If my comments come off as me claiming that I'm right and you are wrong then you are understanding me just fine.
torrid426 9 months ago
@torrid426
When you judge what is true and what isn't, you have to be in the position of knowing the truth, otherwise you would not rush to discriminate in this way. Unless you are absolutely sure in the source of your own knowledge and belief system, it is pointless to judge someone's arguments as true or false.
You can say "I don't believe this to be true." but you cannot say "This is not true."
If you insist in being right, then why bother commenting. You don't need my approval.
kakudmi 9 months ago
@kakudmi
I am in the position of knowing the truth. What point would you like to address ?
Please pick a single point as we have only 500 char here.
torrid426 9 months ago
@torrid426
You are in the position of having limited and fallible faculties such as your mind, senses and intelligence.
How can you claim the position of the truth?
Should we simply trust your word?
kakudmi 9 months ago
@kakudmi
You are not supposed to trust my word you are supposed to pick a topic you think I'm wrong on and I will prove you wrong.
If you feel so strongly about man being flawed than you must admit that you could be wrong about God and vegetarianism. You have no proof should we trust your word ?
The Baltimore study showed that burnt food leads to colon cancer meat or vegetables. You choose to be misleading about their findings.
Now pick 1 subject .
torrid426 9 months ago
@torrid426
My intention is not to prove you're wrong, because it is impossible.
We are trying to see if we can agree on something.
If we can't there is no possibility of civilized discussion, much less of a philosophical one.
I appreciate your efforts.
If you want to debate, make your own video, prove your own point.
kakudmi 9 months ago
@kakudmi
I asked you to pick one topic at a time. I claim to have proof on each of the topics we have covered, you do not believe me.
Here is where yo are supposed to pick the first topic and I provide my evidence. After the evidence is provided you decide if you believe it or need more evidence.
Your last sentence indicates that you made this topic to debate but you only claim that I will not have a civilized discussion.
torrid426 9 months ago
@torrid426 sigh. the internet eh, evasion and lies... aw well, what're ye gonna do??
Carbide195 9 months ago
@Carbide195
I will mock them until they give up. It wont take them ling to rationalize that I'm the one not listening but they will all ways be afraid to talk to me.
torrid426 9 months ago
On the argument of god. If god existed going to heaven would be far superior than living. Eating meat would get you there faster.
You are not looking at the big picture even in the small box you pretend the world is in.
Your statistics are way off in their percentages and you took small parts of studies and claimed they are the whole truth.
Yes BBQ meat ( cooked over an open flame not the seasoning ) is bad for you. Any carbonized food is just as bad for you. Dont burn your food.
torrid426 10 months ago
@torrid426 another comment in which you just talk about the not importat parts of the story.
main issue is that killing an animal and eat it, is stupid and unnecassary.
Kapojos 10 months ago
@Kapojos
I'm one of those guys that can go into a forest without even a knife and live. I can set a trap or kill an animal with a fire hardened stick.
I do not have the biology to stop eating meat. I am allergic to most vegan foods. I also will develop a deteriorating neurological condition if I don't eat meat. Science cannot synthesize everything yet. On the up side 1 day of sun and I have and can store enough vitamin D for almost a year.
We are not all the same.
torrid426 10 months ago
Since ignorance of the Bible is so rampant here, I'm sharing sample verses proving that killing of animals is not sin. In Exodus 20:13, God commanded not to kill. But in Exodus 29:11, He specifically commanded the killing of bullocks for sacrifice. Is God contradicting Himself? No, because in Exo 20:13 the original Hebrew word used is râtsach (רצח) which means killing another person by murder. While in Exo 29:11, the Hebrew word is shâchaṭ (שׁחט) which means slaughter (the animal).
2SLipo 11 months ago
Btw Hitler was a Vegetarian Vegan Dick-tater (Dictator), 'nuff said! 8P
titodelibero 11 months ago
@titodelibero
He was a vegetarian because of his chocolate addiction which caused problems with digestion.
It was a health reason. People who claim to be fervid christians usually do not give up meat eating habbit for philosophical or moral beliefs.
kakudmi 11 months ago
@titodelibero Hitler never was a vegetarian, that is an old wives tale, he loved his German sausages but meat generally upset his stomach but he still ate it. There is enough info on internet. Often people use this fable to make vegetarians look stupid..rather silly
tdevry 10 months ago
@titodelibero My friend the holocaust is one og the biggest lies in history compared to Jesus meat diet.
poeureka 10 months ago
@poeureka
Who told you that the holocaust was a fraud ? There are uneducated people in the middle east who believe if the holocaust is refuted the Jews will have to leave Israel and go back to Europe.
So are you a troll or just stupid ?
torrid426 10 months ago
Oh heck, i'm not thinking to live long.. i'll eat what i like till i die... ^_^
titodelibero 11 months ago
@agenkape
You obviously haven't read the bible.
God commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals...that is KILLING per se. He commanded Israelites to kill both people and animals when they had to invade lands. Israelites who received the commandments were allowed to eat animals as long as they were not among those they considered "unclean".
GO READ THE BIBLE BEFORE MAKING STUPID ASSUMPTIONS!
2SLipo 1 year ago
@2SLipo @2SLipo lol that's so funny, read the bible before being stupid :p
who gives a damn what the israelites were told thousands of years ago by "god"
101101101777 11 months ago
@101101101777
You obviously haven't read the bible just like the other posters above. Read it first then get back to me. :p
2SLipo 11 months ago
@2SLipo the bible has been politicized numerous times, no one can really say what is true or not anymore.
guitarhero666759 10 months ago
think about this people. if you've got someone locked up in a room just killing babies all day, that person's a danger to society right? So then similarly, if you've got someone locked up in a room just killing animals all day they're also a danger to society because they're both high levels of violence. just like we're horrified when we hear about people abusing cats and dogs, so the how are the chickens and cows any different?
guitarhero666759 1 year ago
@agenkape
I don't know how old you are. But if you have common sense, you would have understood what I was talking about. You sound like you haven't read the bible.
2SLipo 1 year ago
cclearly yoy do not know who god is or what god wants
mariontinker48423 1 year ago
(cont) furthermore, you claim that there are almost no violent vegetarians.I do not mean to offend but this is an ignorant statement. Have you heard of Charles Manson? He was a vegan. Pol Pot? Vegan. How does the simple fact that you do not hear about a terrorist or a criminal being a vegetarian, mean he is not one? When have you ever heard about a terrorist's diet? What they eat is not important so it is left out of news stories and reports. This means nothing and has no place in a debate.
campbellsoup93 1 year ago
@campbellsoup93
OK, look at what you're saying: "How does the simple fact that you do not hear about a terrorist or a criminal being a vegetarian, mean he is not one?" ......so, the opposite is also valid. You may be hearing about a vegan criminal, but how do you know he really is a vegan?
So, this logic is not working in a debate, that's why I cannot really respond.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi There is evidence that these men were in fact vegan. There are reports and first-hand accounts of that.Charles Manson is still alive, so you could probably go and ask him about his diet if you want. The logic is sound, which is why you are unable to refute it.
campbellsoup93 11 months ago
@campbellsoup93
I am interested in the most logical arguments, not battling with others.
Eating meat is not the only cause of violent behavior in humans. It is merely a symptom of environmental conditioning, but it is certainly fueling the inner rage one may hold in the subconscious. When an animal is killed, the pain and agony adrenaline fills its flesh, which cannot be burned in normal cooking procedure. That adrenalin is ingested and absorbed by human cells.
kakudmi 11 months ago
@campbellsoup93
Constant absorption of surplus adrenaline causes numerous failures in the human body. This is nothing new. But psychologically speaking, that surplus adrenaline will eventually block serotonin, dopamine and endorphin receptors causing the elevation of lower urges for overeating, too much sex, intoxicants and most of all, violence. These habits will be used as a replacement for normal human happiness, as the surplus adrenalin is blocking it.
kakudmi 11 months ago
@campbellsoup93
Also, I am not capable of giving you scientific debate as I am not qualified to do so. I can quote you the Vedas and offer you philosophical debate, if you're interested.
Thanks.
kakudmi 11 months ago
Youre drawing connections where there are none to be drawn.You assume that violence is caused by eating meat. You stated that if everyone were vegetarian, there would be no terrorism. How can that so when most terrorists do what they do because of religious differences, not because of what they eat. Now you may say that they are more likely to go about their business violently because they eat meat, however there is no evidence to support this theory.
campbellsoup93 1 year ago
@campbellsoup93
It is difficult to argue with you because you use absolutist statements, such as: It's like this, it's not like that.
There are facts that cannot be proven simply by commenting on youtube. If you have better philosophy and better arguments, post a video, instead of trying to discredit what we did here.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi You are the one who made those types of statements my friend. You said that eating meat leads to violence. You did not say that it COULD lead to it. you said that it DOES lead to it. "No meat=No killing=No mentality of violence=NO TERRORISM" that sounds like an "absolutist statement" to me. I'm not trying to discredit what you tried to do here I'm just saying that if you're going to make a statement such as that, at least have some evidence to back it up.
campbellsoup93 11 months ago
@campbellsoup93
I am quoting the Vedas. I do not make up my own answers. Those absolutist statements are a part of Vedic wisdom and in order to understand why Vedas talk this way, the subject matter must be viewed in the context of Vedic wisdom, not outside of it. If you're prepared to hear the whole story, there's so much to be told about this subject matter of meat vs. vegetarian diet.
kakudmi 11 months ago
Most meat eaters don't kill their own meat. In fact, many meat eaters do not like to see the meat they eat being killed. Anyways, the Bible teaches that man was originally made to eat just vegetables, fruits, herbs, etc. However, after the flood the Creator allowed Noah and his family to eat meat. Eating meat is permissable and is not a sin. However, in the millenial kingdom neither man nor animal will eat meat. Therefore, we can see that eating meat is a temporary measure allowed by God.
SimplyThinkDreams 1 year ago
@SimplyThinkDreams
Can you name one meat eater on this planet that fits your description (except for humans)?
Even vultures are ready to kill their victim.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi My mother for one. She will eat most meats but does not desire to see the meat killed. Most families do not kill their meat on a regular basis; rather, they buy it at a store where it has already been processed into the final cuts. The killing is done in large factories by the employees who work there. My point is that most people who eat meat, at least in America, are isolated from the original source of food and only see it once it gets to market already dead.
SimplyThinkDreams 1 year ago
@kakudmi This isolation from the food source is not just applicable to animals but to vegetables and fruits as well. People do not generally go out and pick their fruit off a tree or dig up their own carrots. Instead they go to the market and buy it. The sad part is some people will answer the question, "where does food come from?" with "from the super market." Those who do are the extreme examples of how isolated people can become from their food source.
SimplyThinkDreams 1 year ago
@SimplyThinkDreams
I agree on the point of temporary measure in order to ease human suffering due to extreme condition.
Vedas also allow meat eating without considering it a sin, in case of extreme conditions when plant food is not available. Thou shall not kill, is one of the most important commands in the Bible (they all are) which means first of all don't kill a human being. So, if by not killing animals, human being lives, then killing animals is unecessery and sinful.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi
You're totally wrong. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" refers to murder only and not KILLING in general. Have you ever wondered why God commanded the Israelites to invade lands and kill their inhabitants? And when God gave the command to do sacrifices, it involves blood of animals. Do you think they just used syringe to get the animal blood and kept them alive?
2SLipo 1 year ago
@ALightMasquerade (If you are going to compare people to animals) chimps also have sharp front teeth, but they are herbivores (except for occasional bugs). These sharp teeth are used for defense, not for tearing meat. The rest of our teeth and even our "sharp" teeth are rather dull compared to those of other predators.
BluefruitNMusicSnow 1 year ago
ChristianVeg (dot) org doesnt claim he was veg, but would today.
Meat increases World Hunger: 10lbs of corn or grains fed to animals produce just 1 lb of flesh is very inefficient, so eat crops directly feeds more! Cruel cages used to reduce exercise.
Meat increases health care costs and is leading cause of death (heart disease even if thin and fit, colon cancer, obesity). Its horrible for our Environment and Animals MeetYourMeat (dot)com Factory Farm footage! FamousVeggie (dot)com
VegetariansRUS 1 year ago
@kakudmi (cont) It is a fact that a vegan lifestyle is healthier for you, and the environment (cattle CO2 emissions). In these argument you can show causation, and in the violence arguments you can only show correlation. By grouping these arguments together, you weaken the overall argument.
chruschef 1 year ago
@chruschef
Students of Vedas do not accept any kind of arguments that aren't within our scope of direct experience. We don't argue about "maybe this" or "maybe that". We don't dwell on the logic of those who make experiments in expensive labs, supported by exploitative industries interested only in profit. Knowledge does not come from those who make mistakes all the time. So, perhaps you don't accept my logic, that is fine. No one is hurt and we can move on.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi ... You still haven't proven direct causation, merely a correlation between two things. There are so many other explanations, for example it is possible that a gene in the genetic code makes certain people have a propensity for being butchers, and thus gravitate towards that profession, but are also murderers.
The example is a bit ridiculous, but it makes my point. Please, spread solid arguments in favor of our cause .. (cont)
chruschef 1 year ago
@chruschef
There are millions of possiblities if you look at it that way. Vedas support only what can be experienced. Talking about genes proves nothing, because neither you nor I can really stand behind the genetics and their theories. There is no human nature, only human behavior which is conditioned by the environment. You can learn to be violent simply by being violent, simply by learning from the people around you. What I can tell you is what I've personally witnessed.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi I'm sorry, but did you just draw a correlation between terrorism and meat eating? You're kidding right? Numerous studies have shown that violent reactions are in our genetic code, so not eating meat will never eliminate war. There's no empirical data to back up your comments regarding the thrill of the kill, or the murdering of animals over time has a psychological effect.
Correlation does NOT prove causation.
P.S. I'm a vegan.
chruschef 1 year ago
@chruschef
Let's see: "numerous studies" is not a valid argument. Neither you or myself have conducted those studies and therefore no empirical evidence either. I have personally witnessed active behavior of a local slaughter-guy in our village during the war in Croatia, and I have seen how his behavior was more animalistic and violent than other people around him. He was used to killing, so it was easy for him to kill humans as well. Why don't you make that experiment and see it for yourself?
kakudmi 1 year ago
Who cares about scientific things, science is against religions :P
DarkMind95 1 year ago
Delicious @ 2:39 ; )
It is my choice and I endeavor to follow the Vaishnava etiquette of life. That is a delicious Ayurvedic "Indian" meal. Nothing comes close . . .
NassimHarameinVedas 1 year ago
I think the only reason I still eat meat is because it's cheaper than living solely on vegetarian food. If everyone around me was a vegetarian, which of course would make it a lot cheaper, I wouldn't have a problem giving up meat.
Nomiss9 1 year ago
woooohoooo im goin on road kill, you kill it i grill it!!1
zenya123 1 year ago
Very well said......
Hare Krishna!!
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana
Does plants have life? Do they talk & hear? When you milk cow does she feel pain? Arent you stealing milk from cow for your own nutrients.
Killing 1 animal Is better than killing 100 plants
Plant is a lesser species as compared to de animal, by taking life of 1 average animal we can feed 100 ppl. But if we have to feed the same 100 ppl with pure vegetarian food, more than a 100 plant lives will have to be taken.
Think that
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee see this is what happens bro when u dont have knowledge and u talk all rubbish....do u know 70% of american fields grow fodder for animals and then they cut animals for non veg people ... for 1 kg beef 17 kg of fodder is required and 16000 litres of water..if u stop consuming non veg...that 17kg of food can be directly feed to the people who are dying of hunger in the world...only prb with u is u havent seen humans living like garbage eating mud just to make their stomach feel heavy
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee PEACE... try to understand the real meaning of peace...
tc...
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana
Kindly share so I can understand better.
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee listen to sri sri ravi shankar if u want to understand the peace "art of living" :)
see brother i m not ur enemy or anything....just wanted to tell ur reality as we live in metro cities we dont see anything wrong around us..but in reality humans are living more badly than can u imagine ...
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana
Brother neither I am talking of enemity nor my intention is for enemity. I just want understand how do you see the life & its process? As life comes with science. I am born Hindu & was lost about what is life? how was earth made? what is in sky? how was man created? why animals are killed? how to preserve plants? Till I read Quran, all the questions were answered. So I just wanted your comments, how do you see life in your perspective.
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee I dont know what are u feelings and what are u searching in life...but if u never tried to understand hinduism how can u say ur search is completed..u were confused u say...confused in matter how man was created...quran says adam and eve just think about it adam and eve if are our father and mother that means we all r brother and sister... so if we marry a any girl she is child of adam and eve that means we do incest.!! I will say u have lost ur way now if u want to know truth..
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana visit w w w.agniveer.com or join any swami dayananda saraswati community in orkut and find the real truth about life...how man exists that is very low level question today great scientist says that earth was never created by any god it all came from big bang..energy transforms from one form to another...u know newtons law..and even more things if u go deep in study u will find...see if ur truth seeker u will find truth by ur self thanku...
HARE KRISHNA!!
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana
I am just searching for peace & justice to mankind. Well I would like to know your point of view then how humanbeing were created? earth was made.
Sometimes I find hypocrisy where you can kill insects mosquitoes, cockroaches etc.. wear leather belts or shoes for your own good cause, then dont they have lives which it is made of. no mercy for plants which has live & destroy them.
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee
Hey dude, u r questioning at every video :\
I would send u a PM. Then decide urself what to eat.
TheVedicwisdom 1 year ago
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee
agniveer.com/762/muhammad/
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@TheVedicwisdom
I agree with you
veda.harekrsna.cz/bhaktiyoga/islamveg.htm
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@pppeaacceee seriously dude i m not interested in getting into debate with u....if ur interested to understand reality...i gave u website go there and search truth for ur self....the points ur telling me is nothing but waste debate betweeen u and me which will never reach conclusion...thanku bro...
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana
Quran verse
(16:115) “He has only forbidden you dead meat and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits - then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
@AkkiSantana
Quran verse
And it is He Who produces gardens trellised and untrellised, And date-palms, and crops of different shape and taste and olives, and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in taste). Eat of their fruits when they ripen, but pay the due thereof on the day of its harvest, And waste not by extravagance. Verily, He likes not those who waste by extravagance. (6:141)
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pppeaacceee 1 year ago
i dont believe in god... and i'll eat whatever i want. god said don't eat the forbidden fruit... didnt say anything about cows...
harucit 1 year ago
@harucit
You're contradicting yourself: first, you don't believe in God, and second, you're quoting God from the Bible. Make up your mind.
Also, you cannot eat whatever you want, you can only eat whatever is available to you that you can afford to buy.
Your comment was both useless and immature, but thanks anyway.
kakudmi 1 year ago 2
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Shut up please, just shut up. I will eat meat if I FUCKING want to, so PISS off.
DoomExtreme1 1 year ago
If you arehuman look inside your mouth if you have teeth that are not molars than guess what dumbass you ave meat eating teeth and if we hve meat eating teeth and only eat vegtables thats wrong i mean would you give a lion only salads for the rest of its life if you tried to yes because it would die very soon it would die of starvation.
cod5x 1 year ago
@cod5x
All meat eaters eat their meat raw. Why don't you try eating that way for a few months and let me know how things are going with your teeth.
I eat only vegetarian food for the past 17 years and I am in full health. Actually, I am a teacher giving seminars how to be healthy. For the past 4 years I haven't had one single disease, including cold or a flu.
kakudmi 1 year ago
@kakudmi i have been eating meat and vegetables all my life and I am fine. How much do you charge for your seminars? I will start giving seminars about how eating meat makes you healthy!
PeterCornstalk 1 year ago
acts 10-13 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
copznrobbas 1 year ago
@copznrobbas so the answer is yes he does
copznrobbas 1 year ago
@copznrobbas yet in the bible it saus thou shall not kill
guitarhero666759 1 year ago
@guitarhero666759 that ONLY applies to HUMANS
copznrobbas 1 year ago
@copznrobbas the word for killing humans is murder, if god meant humans he would have said murder. killing is still killing be it man, animal or even an ant. the exact hebrew wording is lo tirtzack. tirtzack refers to "any kind of killing". god said thou shall not kill, so you should follow what god says, as a Christian it's your duty to follow Gods words as they are, not your own interpretation. that applies to any religious scripture or teaching
guitarhero666759 1 year ago
@guitarhero666759 Exodus 20:13 "Thou shall not murder" NIV. As I said it only applies to humans.
copznrobbas 1 year ago