@arngorf His point was that he expects costs to come down much in the same way as any new production technology.
The examples he used were the Human Genome project, as well as more elementary things like Hard Disk Drives.
Technology has a track record of progressively getting cheaper. Do you have any reason why this would be different because I can't imagine why it would be.
I wonder how long it will be until talking to your doctor is considered abnormal. This doctor seriously sounds like this is a good thing, I am amazed.
head laceration (7:03) right take a picture, delay medical treatment, mms it to your doc to determine if you need to go to the E.R. it will be cheaper and more affordable or either malpractice.
We need more we need to think beyond that future as well to what the future of that will be and design and create these machines the main thing limiting these would be consumer markets for companies to produce these on massive scales.
@brad09w hm sure it looks bright for about 0.1% of humanity who will have a chance to be diagnosed this way. For the rest it's either the good ol' doctor's office (a.k.a. torture chamber) or no diagnosis at all.
He packed alot of information which is already available together in a actionpacked talk, and talked about them and thats basicly it. In the beginning he seemed to be planing to address some problems as eksponential cost increase for eksample, but he never anwered the question. He just talked about stuff. What kind of useless talk is that?
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi Doesn't change the fact, that he did not present anything new or interesting, not even a new angle to the subject. The talk is therefore still without deeper purpose. But yes I did miss him talking about that. I also happen to know, that the technology he is talking about is NOT widely available to the public even in the most industrialized parts of the world, mainly because of the price.
@arngorf@arngorf His point was that he expects costs to come down much in the same way as any new production technology.
The examples he used were the Human Genome project, as well as more elementary things like Hard Disk Drives.
Technology has a track record of progressively getting cheaper. Do you have any reason why this would be different because I can't imagine why it would be.
I'm simply stating the obvious. You talk about an exponential cost increase while the video clearly talks about a decrease in costs. You actually use this misunderstanding as the basis for your argument, hence your argument isn't worth much since it's rooted on you not understanding the content of the video you've just seen.
In the words of Alan Greenspan:
I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant
@Phyrexious I agree that I did miss the time he talked about cost lowering. Yet he still fails to place and argument. The energy he use talking about cannot be classified as more than a simple postulate. As with rest of the talk.
@roidroid nanobot stuff..... most of this talk relies on the exponential increase in the advancement of knowledge related to nanotechnology.. understand the concepts involved before you call the most potentially important method of technology "pie in the sky"/...
@karim3343 i said nanobot stuff, not nanotech stuff
potential is great for sci-fi. And that's what MOST of these types of talks are about, just some futurist geeking out about technologies that have been perpetually 20 years in the future for the past 60 years
THIS talk however is different, because it's real. These are viable technologies, much closer to fruition than the panacea of the nanobot-fucking-rapture.
i can say this precisely because i really do "understand the concepts involved".
@roidroid right well nanobots are really part of the field of nano-robotics, one of the emerging fields of nanotechnology, are you saying this field in particular is just a bunch of hype and BS?
@karim3343 Most of what THE MEDIA says about it is hype, and when they overeagerly suggest it's something that we'll see soon - then yeah that's BS. But that's just the media (and what else is new).
I wouldn't say those things about the tech fields themselves, those guys do good work. But it's just not comparable to stuff in this video which is in medical trials RIGHT NOW.
I'm just kindof asking ppl to stop praying to their Singularity gods for a second, so we can all cheer THESE guys on.
...everyone is so concentrated on medicine they are forgetting about natural selection... with NS half of those diseases would be irrelevant in few hundred years ...now we are practically deliberately infecting future generations with genes that should have basically died out
Good heavens, what a bunch of crap. Americans can't afford basic primary health care and this fool is running amok with his iPhone. Somebody get the hook!
Cancer is a multimillion dollar industry controlled by a few major players. Early diagnosis and treatment would help people get well sooner and prevent the super-costly late-stage therapies (like chemo) which only work some of the time anyway. It would decrease the profits to be made and keep people healthy which is why preventative medicine like this has been ignored.
@david0aloha Sure enough... But what bothers me is Big Brother. Everyone seems to have forgotten the hidden GPS in the iPhones, where not. If they're interessted in your location (which I find VERY disturbing), they'll probably want to know all about your health. Technology is also in the hands of the few and everyone and I'm not such an enthusiast when it comes to rapid technological advancement, without even CONSIDERING the implications that might arise. What happened to the simple life?
@SubzeroedMind Next gen: hidden GPS in the body! population control devices... the real benefits will only be enjoyed by a very few. 99% will just experience the nefarious consequences of such technologies...
@theANSWERisXLII Yes, the world is black and white my good friend. There is either the one or the other side. "You're either with us, or with the terrorists" as Bush used to say.
Yeah - assuming apple allows the app through its notoriously locked up approval system. As if that kind of logic and practise is appropriate for innovative modelling, great for bank loan quotes or some shit though.
why only talk about apple products instead of calling them smart phones / tablet pcs etc? most smart phones in the market are "smarter" than the iphone... smarter in the way that they are faster and have more computing power...
"What incentive do companies have to cure health problems like cancer?"
The right to the exclusive rights on the cure for 5 years, notoriety, Nobel prizes, publishing rights...
"Their profit comes from managing illness -- not curing it. No?"
No. Profit comes from creating a drug that can be sold. Many treatments aren't sold because insurance won't cover the high cost of continued treatment. A one time cure, means the insurance company pays less, and the drug company makes more.
Any scientist would jump at the chance of curing cancer and having their name go down in history with people like Jonas Salk.
Last thing, Yaalah, is that your argument is only made by those that don't understand the biological complexity of cancer, or the complexity of drug discovery and development. It is hard to even identify what can be worked with, and not everything has a cure because to fix cancer would break an essential process for living. That is the nature of biology.
Which companies (not individuals like Jonas Salk) have cured illnesses and received all those benefits?
How would companies make more money from a one off sale than continued treatment? Example?
I assume by "essential process of living" you mean mitosis. This is only one possible way a cancer cure may work. Also, my point goes beyond cancer alone, which I somewhat understand is complex.
"Which companies have cured illnesses and received all those benefits?"
Let's start with the most money-making drug of all time... Created by Pfizer... It's a cure for ED, called Viagra. You heard of it?
"How would companies make more money from a one off sale than continued treatment?"
Treatment costs $20k/month. Insurence won't pay, person is never treated. They die. One time treatment costs $100k. Insurence pays. Person is treated. They live.
"I assume by "essential process of living" you mean mitosis."
I mean any number of hundreds of gene networks and cellular processes that are effected when you take a drug because no drug EVER targets something perfectly. You have no idea how complex your cell is and what it takes to work at all, and trust me, it shows.
"my point goes beyond cancer alone, which I somewhat understand is complex."
To say cancer is complex is the understatement of the millenium.
Viagra is a case in point for MY argument, since it's not a one time cure for sexual impotence -- instead requiring the patient's dependence upon its manfacturing company FOR LIFE to manage his sexual impotence.
Re your other point that a possible motive for drug companies to cure an illness is so that insurance companies would extend their coverage of 'expensive' illnesses toward the poor: this is a poor motive for which to pour money into research and development for a cure,
"since it's not a one time cure for sexual impotence"
You and I have a different definition of "cure." Aspirin, for example, is not a cure. It gets rid of things like fever and headache, but doesn't cure the underlying virus of a fever. Viagra however, removes the problem of ED at the source... i.e. decline of proteins that result in the relaxation of the muscle that allows for erection.
The problem is that from drugs and pharmaceutical companies you'll never get anything more than small cures like Viagra. It's how the genome works, and the nature of cancer. For cures for cancer you need things like this: Phase II Clinical Trial of a Granulocyte-Macrophage Colony-Stimulating Factor–Encoding, Second-Generation Oncolytic Herpesvirus in Patients With Unresectable Metastatic Melanoma.
also there are other ways to solve the above mentioned problem. If you can provide an example of a company 1) with a policy to CURE illness 2) based on the motive you've mentioned, I'd love to look into it.
Also, you sound extremely snarky and condescending! You must be having a bad day today.
"you sound extremely snarky and condescending! You must be having a bad day today."
No. I just have things against wankers that think "Big Pharma" is purposely not looking for actual cures. If you understood how complex biology and drug discovery is, you'd understand differently. I'll try and explain it...
The average drug discovery & development process takes FIFTEEN years and costs 300-500 MILLION dollars. Drug companies don't care what they produce as long as they can market it. That's why Viagra, before it was called that, was originally made for angina and other heart related issues. They found the ED effect by accident.
In order to start out this process you have to find a target. There are roughly 30,000 genes in the human genome give or take a few thousand. Only about 10% of this is capable of having drugs react to them, and only a fraction of that can be manipulated safely. And that doesn't even take into account different phenotypes.
If investing 50 million to find a target yields one that cures a disease, they'll do it.
Well, he is hoping to be out of the job - sincerely committed doctor, but not all the pharmaceutical companies which ads were spammed in this video. There is an obvious conflict between technology for people's well-being vs. technology for making money.
...so basically we 'll be giving Skynet / the health-industrial-complex / Apple some real handy tools to control mankind? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I had a similar idea a few years ago. It would be cool if, in the future, we had machines that follow us around and tell us what we should do to stay healthy, organize our work, and check our health. A mini, flying robot that would serve as our own personal secretary.
Hi Daniel Kraft, I noted you put your cell phone in your pants pocket. You are irradiating your sperm. Check to see how well they are swimming. Also, WiFi also is irradiating people, and it seems most of your talk on future technology uses Wifi. I am EHS and MCS and I am irradiated by emissions from the church steeple antennas used for cell phones, and by electrical problems inside apartment that irradiate me. Can you work on detecting toxic metals in our bodies and better ways to remove?
they want to create a "need", they want us to ask ourselves to become androids.
They want control Oil? Food? Water? Forget about it, that's the past. Now they want to know every detail of our body to control it, are we in healthy? well, here's a crazy cell by pressing ctrl + alt + cancer on a remote machine
The history teach us, I never saw a rich man that is not selfish and this kind of technology is very expensive...
future is not good as we expect, will be incredible yes but in a terrible way
You haven't gotten to know many who are well off then have you? There are plenty of selfish wealthy people, just like there are plenty of selfish poor people; but there are also a lot of good people both with and without wealth.
Did you know that those who earn more are also more likely to volunteer their time?
@david0aloha Well those volunteering could be to do with them having a less stressful life. did u know that the poor donate a far higher % of their wealth to charity?
Basically, for families making less than $20,000 a year, they were the highest donators as a percentage of their income. For all the other categories, those making over $100,000 a year gave the highest percentage (and by far the largest dollar amount), but it showed an interesting point about how those of modest means show that it's certainly possible for the average person to give more than they do.
Honestly, I think that the most upper income earners don't feel the pains of stress to the same extent as those who earn less, but it's probably not for the reasons you think. It has to do with the fact that they're more likely to be in control of their lives. Actually, I'd say it's those in the middle who have it toughest because they tend to be working professionals who tend to live in a constrained mode of life where they have plenty of responsibility but little control.
@david0aloha Its true that the free things in life make u happy & having access to plenty of cash gives you the freedom to do these. But i dont agree that the middle class have more stress, in theory u make a good case but in reality the poor have almost no control over their life and thats what is brings the stress as when a problem arises even a small one they do not have many if any way to take it in their stride. I can link u to a study that shows happiness correlates to salary up to $75,000
Actually, I wasn't really referring to the money, but you make a good point.
What I was referring to was that those in the highest income brackets are more likely to be the top person or among the top people. This doesn't lessen the stress the feel, but having the control that comes with that can instill a sense of confidence that makes the stress more manageable.
In contrast, many middle managers and professionals face greater constraints and are more likely to feel "stuck".
What I'm saying relates to a concept called Locus of Control. Essentially, it's a concept about people's belief that they can control the outcomes of events around them. A high internal locus of control is associated with feeling that one can change things around them, and it is positively correlated with how well people cope with stress. Volunteering is associated with an internal locus of control - it makes people feel good because they feel they can/are making a difference.
@ZombieX13 It's actually not the politicians, it's the behind the scenes rich aristocrats that want the economy to crash to return as Gods in their UFO tech.
I can't help but think, as long as we have this social structure with government and culture seeing-everybody-as-potential-suspects kind of thinking, we will use this technology PARTLY for very sophisticated control, and slowly we'll accept the most 1984:ish kind of control, easily. Why wouldn't we use the healthcare ship-implant, a personal identity, to make everything more flexible (less papers and forms). People would like it! But don't you see the problem though? Anyway, RLY cool technology!
This was basically a compilation piece which compressed several TEDtalks over the last two years into a single presentation. Still amazing, nonetheless, but he didn't seem to add anything new except for arranging them to all point towards some future state of medicine and then invites us to imagine how fucking awesome that future state will be.
Well the thing about the IPHONE is if your dying in a hospital and the doctors not been to see you in a few hours you can check it right here.. Or if you want to wipe your ass because there no more paper... or where did you put that condom? yep there's an app for pretty much everything.. ;) CRapple.
"the fact that we live longer does not necessarily mean that we where meant to have such extended life spams"
Actually, that's probably the most accurate thing you've said so far. The extension of our lives has very rapidly increased, past the point that evolution would compensate by giving extended telomeres. Not that that's likely to happen anyways because there's no selective pressure for that, but that's right. Humans really aren't made to live as long as we do.
"so eating genetically modified foods, veggies with pesticides, breathing contaminated air caused by pollution and not exercising has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with our health problems?"
GMO foods - no
Veggies with pesticides - no
Contaminated air - little
not exercising - Hey, you got one. But how is obesity related to the poisoning pesticides and whatnot you were propagandizing about earlier?
"so tell me how can you explain the dramatic increase in cancer cases in the last couple of decades ?"
And not only does the increase in age increase the chance for cancer, but because diagnostics are better, there's a much more likely chance that cancer will be detected at all. How many people do you think would get diagnosed with pancreatic cancer even 50 years ago? Brain cancer? Prostate cancer? Most people would likely die without ever cancer being diagnosed.
"...poisoning our veggies with pesticides all of this sickness where not nearly as bad as they are today..."
This is a flat out lie. It only seems that way because people are living long enough that it is sickness killing them rather than a factory accident. If all the sickness and everything else were really getting worse, how is the average life span doubled in the last 100-200 years?
@digitalartgirlslive well, I´m convinced technology can make a great difference and really help us solve some serious problems out there...it´s our own actions we sometimes have to give a second thought, I guess. too bad not everyone does.
@digitalartgirlslive unfortunately, this is hard to tackle, because when it comes to leading a healthy life, we have become shortsighted both to the consequences to ourselves and to the world around us, be it about diet, exercise, environment, or about global problems. by nature, mankind is bound to be entirely concerned with what is (temporarily/spacially/emotionally) present and important to us. this (SADLY &) ultimately leads to treating instead of preventing. still I think it´s wrong...
anyone else who doesn´t think it´s a great idea to turn medicine into a field where no patient ever gets to speak to a doctor but is more or less examined, diagnosed and treated by iPhone apps and robots and wireless gadgets (or a doctor halfway across the country operating via these)?! yeah, awesome plan...
@Syntheticbrawler sorry, not quite what I meant. I´m a huge supporter of innovation. however, isn´t there more to medicine than only a diagnosis and a pill? how about some more attention by a human being? doesn´t it take some empathy and attention towards the patient as well to be a doctor? ever heard of a "handles-question"? In German, it means something along: sometimes, patients entrust a doctor with their true problem when they´re nearly out the door, so you need some actual facetime.
What I find horrific about this is that balanced in every moment of awe at what we can do now is the thought, every time, "Imagine what some people could do to others with this..."
"What I find horrific about this is that balanced in every moment of awe at what we can do now is the thought, every time, "Imagine what some people could do to others with this...""
Except this is very, very advanced stuff. I know because I just got an MS in Bioinformatics... most the stuff he talked about I've studied, and I barely scratched the surface. If people want to harm others, there's much easier ways.
every sentence he said could have been turned into an equally long TED talk... amazing. Im saving that to my "ideas and technology for the future" playlist for sure
a very interesting thought provoking talk delivered in amazingly clear manner
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juliacotic 4 months ago
I'm at 8 minutes and that guy's already overdone it
petko10bg 4 months ago
This guy is on speed. It's a good thing.
jerdawg553 6 months ago
I dont understand this world anymore!
albert275 6 months ago
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I hope what he mentioned will happen soon!
xxmisaxx8 6 months ago
I hope what he mentioned will happen soon!!
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@arngorf His point was that he expects costs to come down much in the same way as any new production technology.
The examples he used were the Human Genome project, as well as more elementary things like Hard Disk Drives.
Technology has a track record of progressively getting cheaper. Do you have any reason why this would be different because I can't imagine why it would be.
alanschu14 7 months ago
I wonder how long it will be until talking to your doctor is considered abnormal. This doctor seriously sounds like this is a good thing, I am amazed.
AmyOfHell 7 months ago
Wow, that was a powerful end statement. He is looking forward to being out of a job.
a575981735977018 7 months ago
head laceration (7:03) right take a picture, delay medical treatment, mms it to your doc to determine if you need to go to the E.R. it will be cheaper and more affordable or either malpractice.
HouseofVespucci 7 months ago
We need more we need to think beyond that future as well to what the future of that will be and design and create these machines the main thing limiting these would be consumer markets for companies to produce these on massive scales.
ranasingh 7 months ago
There needs to be an app that tasers you when you eat junk food.
TVWriterGuy 8 months ago
Great Vid the future looks bright indeed .
On a side note since Dr Kraft is a cancer Doc
I recommend this Vid
By Dr Burzynski
watch?v=Xa_KhPlvudk
brad09w 8 months ago
@brad09w hm sure it looks bright for about 0.1% of humanity who will have a chance to be diagnosed this way. For the rest it's either the good ol' doctor's office (a.k.a. torture chamber) or no diagnosis at all.
sondano 8 months ago
Behold
Science
ProveItBro 8 months ago 7
I guess an Apple (product) a day really can keep the doctor away...
RavenKing777 8 months ago
do i need an ipad or other apple product to use these apps?
What other cheap versions could work? What apple tablets/phones?
g9g9g9 8 months ago
Too bad patent and intellectual property mills will sue all the innovation back to the stone age, artificially stifling innovation...
sirdomino 8 months ago
He packed alot of information which is already available together in a actionpacked talk, and talked about them and thats basicly it. In the beginning he seemed to be planing to address some problems as eksponential cost increase for eksample, but he never anwered the question. He just talked about stuff. What kind of useless talk is that?
arngorf 8 months ago
@arngorf
Actually he talked about technologies becoming cheaper rather than exponentially more expensive.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 8 months ago
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi Doesn't change the fact, that he did not present anything new or interesting, not even a new angle to the subject. The talk is therefore still without deeper purpose. But yes I did miss him talking about that. I also happen to know, that the technology he is talking about is NOT widely available to the public even in the most industrialized parts of the world, mainly because of the price.
arngorf 8 months ago
@arngorf @arngorf His point was that he expects costs to come down much in the same way as any new production technology.
The examples he used were the Human Genome project, as well as more elementary things like Hard Disk Drives.
Technology has a track record of progressively getting cheaper. Do you have any reason why this would be different because I can't imagine why it would be.
alanschu14 7 months ago
@arngorf
Instead of using time to type a dumb youtube message you need to use that precious time to pay better attention to the damn video.
Phyrexious 8 months ago
@Phyrexious My time is not precious, so I'll spare the time to answer your troll message. There, done. Stop being so offensive.
arngorf 8 months ago
@arngorf
I'm simply stating the obvious. You talk about an exponential cost increase while the video clearly talks about a decrease in costs. You actually use this misunderstanding as the basis for your argument, hence your argument isn't worth much since it's rooted on you not understanding the content of the video you've just seen.
In the words of Alan Greenspan:
I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant
Phyrexious 8 months ago
@Phyrexious I agree that I did miss the time he talked about cost lowering. Yet he still fails to place and argument. The energy he use talking about cannot be classified as more than a simple postulate. As with rest of the talk.
arngorf 8 months ago
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andrewc513 8 months ago
this is an excellent talk, is a great summary of the kinds of truly realistic medical research and developments that are currently in development.
Very little of this is pie-in-the-sky nanobots stuff that we normally hear about, the vast majority of this talk is quite real.
very nice.
roidroid 8 months ago 11
@roidroid nanobot stuff..... most of this talk relies on the exponential increase in the advancement of knowledge related to nanotechnology.. understand the concepts involved before you call the most potentially important method of technology "pie in the sky"/...
karim3343 5 months ago
@karim3343 i said nanobot stuff, not nanotech stuff
potential is great for sci-fi. And that's what MOST of these types of talks are about, just some futurist geeking out about technologies that have been perpetually 20 years in the future for the past 60 years
THIS talk however is different, because it's real. These are viable technologies, much closer to fruition than the panacea of the nanobot-fucking-rapture.
i can say this precisely because i really do "understand the concepts involved".
roidroid 5 months ago
@roidroid right well nanobots are really part of the field of nano-robotics, one of the emerging fields of nanotechnology, are you saying this field in particular is just a bunch of hype and BS?
karim3343 5 months ago
@karim3343 Most of what THE MEDIA says about it is hype, and when they overeagerly suggest it's something that we'll see soon - then yeah that's BS. But that's just the media (and what else is new).
I wouldn't say those things about the tech fields themselves, those guys do good work. But it's just not comparable to stuff in this video which is in medical trials RIGHT NOW.
I'm just kindof asking ppl to stop praying to their Singularity gods for a second, so we can all cheer THESE guys on.
roidroid 5 months ago
@roidroid understood
karim3343 5 months ago
When I was a kid, nobody talked this fast.
rick4318 8 months ago
A Speaker always becomes useless if he is unable to transform his thoughts into understandable phrases - talking about velocity...
ivzwo220 8 months ago
...everyone is so concentrated on medicine they are forgetting about natural selection... with NS half of those diseases would be irrelevant in few hundred years ...now we are practically deliberately infecting future generations with genes that should have basically died out
theANSWERisXLII 8 months ago
@theANSWERisXLII half? This number is a wild guess, and natural selection takes a LONG time. Natural selection is not a short term solution.
imaginenoreligion 8 months ago
@imaginenoreligion
no evolution takes a long time, it doesn't take long for a human to kick it :), especially if he/she is malfunctioning
theANSWERisXLII 8 months ago
funny how he planted the advertising for the university... the most noticeable one, as the talk itself is just advertising.
steve29830 8 months ago
talks... too... fast...
thekaochan 8 months ago
@thekaochan yep! got too tired listening to him, was just looking at the pics after a while :)
steve29830 8 months ago
Smooth sales talk
Theworldforacountry 8 months ago
love it!
shantanukulkarni 8 months ago
I don't want my health to be controlled by apple :(
MrC0MPUT3R 8 months ago
Good heavens, what a bunch of crap. Americans can't afford basic primary health care and this fool is running amok with his iPhone. Somebody get the hook!
Youssef51 8 months ago
Scary, elitistic shit...
Medicine cheaper? Yes, I guess we'll need more diseases and "technologies" to keep the profits of certain groups up.
SubzeroedMind 8 months ago
@SubzeroedMind
Cancer is a multimillion dollar industry controlled by a few major players. Early diagnosis and treatment would help people get well sooner and prevent the super-costly late-stage therapies (like chemo) which only work some of the time anyway. It would decrease the profits to be made and keep people healthy which is why preventative medicine like this has been ignored.
david0aloha 8 months ago
@david0aloha Sure enough... But what bothers me is Big Brother. Everyone seems to have forgotten the hidden GPS in the iPhones, where not. If they're interessted in your location (which I find VERY disturbing), they'll probably want to know all about your health. Technology is also in the hands of the few and everyone and I'm not such an enthusiast when it comes to rapid technological advancement, without even CONSIDERING the implications that might arise. What happened to the simple life?
SubzeroedMind 8 months ago
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@SubzeroedMind
"I'm not such an enthusiast when it comes to rapid technological advancement"
Then don't use it.
"What happened to the simple life?"
It died when people started living twice as long thanks to rapid technological advancement.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@SubzeroedMind Next gen: hidden GPS in the body! population control devices... the real benefits will only be enjoyed by a very few. 99% will just experience the nefarious consequences of such technologies...
steve29830 8 months ago
@steve29830 SMART people will never allow themselves having shit "implanted" into themselves.
But idiots will do anything for "security" against the boogie-man, yes.
SubzeroedMind 8 months ago
@SubzeroedMind what you said in your last comment is correct, but not for the paranoid reasons you and steve29830 were talking about
theANSWERisXLII 8 months ago
@theANSWERisXLII Yes, the world is black and white my good friend. There is either the one or the other side. "You're either with us, or with the terrorists" as Bush used to say.
SubzeroedMind 8 months ago
@SubzeroedMind
i didn't say they shouldn't help people deal with viruses, broken legs etc
theANSWERisXLII 8 months ago
@theANSWERisXLII Did I?
Nevermind man, the paranoid just know about a few things others don't.
Peace
SubzeroedMind 8 months ago
@SubzeroedMind exactly!!! i hope most people don't fall for that promotional dream...
steve29830 8 months ago
Yet we're still using dirty fuel to power all this. Welcome to the future...
MI5487 8 months ago
As a quadreplegic I am excited for the stem cells...hopefully 5 more years I can't wait any longer lol
shado1023 8 months ago
@shado1023 bummer dude,
johnytoreno 8 months ago
Yeah - assuming apple allows the app through its notoriously locked up approval system. As if that kind of logic and practise is appropriate for innovative modelling, great for bank loan quotes or some shit though.
Rosky12 8 months ago
@Rosky12
That's okay. If Apple doesn't allow it, Android will have it. The Android phones are better anyways.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
You know what this talk was missing? Synergy. Or some other idiotic term that didn't add anything to the understanding of the concept.
dookiecheez 8 months ago
He talks a little too fast.
fibrousfeces 8 months ago
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fibrousfeces 8 months ago
This sounds so scary. Really invasive. Can easily be abused. Likely to go wrong over and over again.
SezSays 8 months ago
Im only 23 but i wish i was born 20 years later :(
marcarmstrong88 8 months ago
Ted, please, lower the colume of the starting presentation.
Thank you :)
shakyl008 8 months ago 3
I didn't expect this going in, but this was one of the best TED Talks I've seen in a while.
w00tse 8 months ago
Wait, the iPhone 4 is different from the original? Couldn't tell.
axelasdf 8 months ago
Future cant come soon enough!
Sprinterdrift 8 months ago
I wonder how much he was payed to base this on Apple products.
kebakent 8 months ago 34
@kebakent i was thinking the same, apple do pay some of these guys
marcarmstrong88 8 months ago
@kebakent stop talking shit, it's not just Apple it's almost everything.
SuperiorApostate 8 months ago
@kebakent Yeah and Microsoft! Wait a minute, total nonsence.
gusphraba 8 months ago
why only talk about apple products instead of calling them smart phones / tablet pcs etc? most smart phones in the market are "smarter" than the iphone... smarter in the way that they are faster and have more computing power...
red00devil 8 months ago
What incentive do companies have to cure health problems like cancer? Their profit comes from managing illness -- not curing it. No?
Yaalah 8 months ago
@Yaalah
"What incentive do companies have to cure health problems like cancer?"
The right to the exclusive rights on the cure for 5 years, notoriety, Nobel prizes, publishing rights...
"Their profit comes from managing illness -- not curing it. No?"
No. Profit comes from creating a drug that can be sold. Many treatments aren't sold because insurance won't cover the high cost of continued treatment. A one time cure, means the insurance company pays less, and the drug company makes more.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@Yaalah
Any scientist would jump at the chance of curing cancer and having their name go down in history with people like Jonas Salk.
Last thing, Yaalah, is that your argument is only made by those that don't understand the biological complexity of cancer, or the complexity of drug discovery and development. It is hard to even identify what can be worked with, and not everything has a cure because to fix cancer would break an essential process for living. That is the nature of biology.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@KemaTheAtheist Thanks for your input.
Which companies (not individuals like Jonas Salk) have cured illnesses and received all those benefits?
How would companies make more money from a one off sale than continued treatment? Example?
I assume by "essential process of living" you mean mitosis. This is only one possible way a cancer cure may work. Also, my point goes beyond cancer alone, which I somewhat understand is complex.
Yaalah 8 months ago
@Yaalah
"Which companies have cured illnesses and received all those benefits?"
Let's start with the most money-making drug of all time... Created by Pfizer... It's a cure for ED, called Viagra. You heard of it?
"How would companies make more money from a one off sale than continued treatment?"
Treatment costs $20k/month. Insurence won't pay, person is never treated. They die. One time treatment costs $100k. Insurence pays. Person is treated. They live.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@Yaalah
"I assume by "essential process of living" you mean mitosis."
I mean any number of hundreds of gene networks and cellular processes that are effected when you take a drug because no drug EVER targets something perfectly. You have no idea how complex your cell is and what it takes to work at all, and trust me, it shows.
"my point goes beyond cancer alone, which I somewhat understand is complex."
To say cancer is complex is the understatement of the millenium.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@KemaTheAtheist
Viagra is a case in point for MY argument, since it's not a one time cure for sexual impotence -- instead requiring the patient's dependence upon its manfacturing company FOR LIFE to manage his sexual impotence.
Re your other point that a possible motive for drug companies to cure an illness is so that insurance companies would extend their coverage of 'expensive' illnesses toward the poor: this is a poor motive for which to pour money into research and development for a cure,
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KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@Yaalah
"since it's not a one time cure for sexual impotence"
You and I have a different definition of "cure." Aspirin, for example, is not a cure. It gets rid of things like fever and headache, but doesn't cure the underlying virus of a fever. Viagra however, removes the problem of ED at the source... i.e. decline of proteins that result in the relaxation of the muscle that allows for erection.
But you want something more that that, right?
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
The problem is that from drugs and pharmaceutical companies you'll never get anything more than small cures like Viagra. It's how the genome works, and the nature of cancer. For cures for cancer you need things like this: Phase II Clinical Trial of a Granulocyte-Macrophage Colony-Stimulating Factor–Encoding, Second-Generation Oncolytic Herpesvirus in Patients With Unresectable Metastatic Melanoma.
Look it up.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@KemaTheAtheist
also there are other ways to solve the above mentioned problem. If you can provide an example of a company 1) with a policy to CURE illness 2) based on the motive you've mentioned, I'd love to look into it.
Also, you sound extremely snarky and condescending! You must be having a bad day today.
Yaalah 8 months ago
@Yaalah
"you sound extremely snarky and condescending! You must be having a bad day today."
No. I just have things against wankers that think "Big Pharma" is purposely not looking for actual cures. If you understood how complex biology and drug discovery is, you'd understand differently. I'll try and explain it...
cont...
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
cont 2
The average drug discovery & development process takes FIFTEEN years and costs 300-500 MILLION dollars. Drug companies don't care what they produce as long as they can market it. That's why Viagra, before it was called that, was originally made for angina and other heart related issues. They found the ED effect by accident.
cont...
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
cont 3...
In order to start out this process you have to find a target. There are roughly 30,000 genes in the human genome give or take a few thousand. Only about 10% of this is capable of having drugs react to them, and only a fraction of that can be manipulated safely. And that doesn't even take into account different phenotypes.
If investing 50 million to find a target yields one that cures a disease, they'll do it.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
All was foreseen by The Kurzweil ;-)
ataraxic89 8 months ago
does this guy stop for air?
shrodingersman 8 months ago
listen to the crowd when he talks about 3D Organ printing :-O
Confuzedd 8 months ago 2
@Confuzedd I don't hear anything...
TheKillershade 8 months ago
12:07 EXTREME LIKE ! :)
lollivaleriepop 8 months ago 2
Well, he is hoping to be out of the job - sincerely committed doctor, but not all the pharmaceutical companies which ads were spammed in this video. There is an obvious conflict between technology for people's well-being vs. technology for making money.
ivnat77 8 months ago
2:27 Gordon Gekko FTW! ^_^
jaymthegenius 8 months ago
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jaymthegenius 8 months ago
why error, try again. HELP PLEASE
AlphaSee 8 months ago
WHY ERROR?
AlphaSee 8 months ago
...so basically we 'll be giving Skynet / the health-industrial-complex / Apple some real handy tools to control mankind? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
doloppost 8 months ago
I had a similar idea a few years ago. It would be cool if, in the future, we had machines that follow us around and tell us what we should do to stay healthy, organize our work, and check our health. A mini, flying robot that would serve as our own personal secretary.
stargirl1796 8 months ago
Hi Daniel Kraft, I noted you put your cell phone in your pants pocket. You are irradiating your sperm. Check to see how well they are swimming. Also, WiFi also is irradiating people, and it seems most of your talk on future technology uses Wifi. I am EHS and MCS and I am irradiated by emissions from the church steeple antennas used for cell phones, and by electrical problems inside apartment that irradiate me. Can you work on detecting toxic metals in our bodies and better ways to remove?
AlphaSee 8 months ago
@AlphaSee
"You are irradiating your sperm. Check to see how well they are swimming. Also, WiFi also is irradiating people..."
Can't tell if trolling, or just stupid.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
they want to create a "need", they want us to ask ourselves to become androids.
They want control Oil? Food? Water? Forget about it, that's the past. Now they want to know every detail of our body to control it, are we in healthy? well, here's a crazy cell by pressing ctrl + alt + cancer on a remote machine
The history teach us, I never saw a rich man that is not selfish and this kind of technology is very expensive...
future is not good as we expect, will be incredible yes but in a terrible way
bradiporitmico 8 months ago
@bradiporitmico
"I never saw a rich man that is not selfish..."
You haven't gotten to know many who are well off then have you? There are plenty of selfish wealthy people, just like there are plenty of selfish poor people; but there are also a lot of good people both with and without wealth.
Did you know that those who earn more are also more likely to volunteer their time?
david0aloha 8 months ago
@david0aloha Well those volunteering could be to do with them having a less stressful life. did u know that the poor donate a far higher % of their wealth to charity?
marcarmstrong88 8 months ago
@marcarmstrong88
Here's an interesting article on that:
tinyurl . com / 3nlaujk
Basically, for families making less than $20,000 a year, they were the highest donators as a percentage of their income. For all the other categories, those making over $100,000 a year gave the highest percentage (and by far the largest dollar amount), but it showed an interesting point about how those of modest means show that it's certainly possible for the average person to give more than they do.
david0aloha 8 months ago
@marcarmstrong88
Honestly, I think that the most upper income earners don't feel the pains of stress to the same extent as those who earn less, but it's probably not for the reasons you think. It has to do with the fact that they're more likely to be in control of their lives. Actually, I'd say it's those in the middle who have it toughest because they tend to be working professionals who tend to live in a constrained mode of life where they have plenty of responsibility but little control.
david0aloha 8 months ago
@david0aloha Its true that the free things in life make u happy & having access to plenty of cash gives you the freedom to do these. But i dont agree that the middle class have more stress, in theory u make a good case but in reality the poor have almost no control over their life and thats what is brings the stress as when a problem arises even a small one they do not have many if any way to take it in their stride. I can link u to a study that shows happiness correlates to salary up to $75,000
marcarmstrong88 8 months ago
@marcarmstrong88
Actually, I wasn't really referring to the money, but you make a good point.
What I was referring to was that those in the highest income brackets are more likely to be the top person or among the top people. This doesn't lessen the stress the feel, but having the control that comes with that can instill a sense of confidence that makes the stress more manageable.
In contrast, many middle managers and professionals face greater constraints and are more likely to feel "stuck".
david0aloha 8 months ago
@marcarmstrong88
What I'm saying relates to a concept called Locus of Control. Essentially, it's a concept about people's belief that they can control the outcomes of events around them. A high internal locus of control is associated with feeling that one can change things around them, and it is positively correlated with how well people cope with stress. Volunteering is associated with an internal locus of control - it makes people feel good because they feel they can/are making a difference.
david0aloha 8 months ago
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@david0aloha ok
did u read what im saying
marcarmstrong88 8 months ago
slow..... down.....
kathrynlambkin 8 months ago
Watch the Ghost in the Shell movies and series.. that is where our future is going.
Jerkix 8 months ago 25
@Jerkix
I really really REALLY want this to happen.
SEThatered 8 months ago
@Jerkix hahah I was just thinking about that. Well what came to my mind first was Bubblegum Crisis and AD Police.
Chykara 8 months ago
@Jerkix Yes. see "Operation - Soul Catcher" on amazon
b29349 8 months ago
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@Jerkix Yes. see "Project - Soul Catcher" on amazon
b29349 8 months ago
this is overwhelming
oshinsr 8 months ago
@oshinsr Don't worry about it. Humanity will be rocked back to the neolithic period in about 15 to 30 years thanks to our lovely politicians.
ZombieX13 8 months ago
@ZombieX13 It's actually not the politicians, it's the behind the scenes rich aristocrats that want the economy to crash to return as Gods in their UFO tech.
sebas28mtl 8 months ago
@sebas28mtl ...Huh? I can't tell if you're kidding or not. But by text alone, what you just said was utter nonsense.
Jotto999 8 months ago
very interesting talk but this future is really far far far away
leileili 8 months ago
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@leileili
"very interesting talk but this future is really far far far away"
For some of it, yes, but the stuff on pharmacogenomics, systems biology, personalized medicine is a lot closer than you think.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
Great TED Talk.
I have a facebook group called "life extension should be an important priority if anyone is interested.
Keim4ever 8 months ago
I can't help but think, as long as we have this social structure with government and culture seeing-everybody-as-potential-suspects kind of thinking, we will use this technology PARTLY for very sophisticated control, and slowly we'll accept the most 1984:ish kind of control, easily. Why wouldn't we use the healthcare ship-implant, a personal identity, to make everything more flexible (less papers and forms). People would like it! But don't you see the problem though? Anyway, RLY cool technology!
yoinkz 8 months ago
nice if you have med insurance,,,,,
itsasin1969 8 months ago
Excellent presentation with mountains of pertinent content.
Thank you, Dr. Kraft!
DoRayMeFa 8 months ago
DROID
princeofexcess 8 months ago
This was basically a compilation piece which compressed several TEDtalks over the last two years into a single presentation. Still amazing, nonetheless, but he didn't seem to add anything new except for arranging them to all point towards some future state of medicine and then invites us to imagine how fucking awesome that future state will be.
He's like Juan Enriquez without the charisma.
Sinuev1 8 months ago
Well the thing about the IPHONE is if your dying in a hospital and the doctors not been to see you in a few hours you can check it right here.. Or if you want to wipe your ass because there no more paper... or where did you put that condom? yep there's an app for pretty much everything.. ;) CRapple.
M0n0liths 8 months ago
@digitalartgirlslive
"the fact that we live longer does not necessarily mean that we where meant to have such extended life spams"
Actually, that's probably the most accurate thing you've said so far. The extension of our lives has very rapidly increased, past the point that evolution would compensate by giving extended telomeres. Not that that's likely to happen anyways because there's no selective pressure for that, but that's right. Humans really aren't made to live as long as we do.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@digitalartgirlslive
"so eating genetically modified foods, veggies with pesticides, breathing contaminated air caused by pollution and not exercising has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with our health problems?"
GMO foods - no
Veggies with pesticides - no
Contaminated air - little
not exercising - Hey, you got one. But how is obesity related to the poisoning pesticides and whatnot you were propagandizing about earlier?
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
The future is both promising and frightening at the same time. Can we do it before aliens wipe us out?
smoothbanana 8 months ago
@smoothbanana Oh, I wouldn't worry about aliens. If we are annihilated, you can bet it will be at the hands of humans.
Jotto999 8 months ago
I think the TED audiences are starting to give standing ovations way to often. This clearly didn't deserve one.
stumpturtle 8 months ago
"As Seen On: Pakistan Defence Forum" lol
xapemanx 8 months ago
"so tell me how can you explain the dramatic increase in cancer cases in the last couple of decades ?"
And not only does the increase in age increase the chance for cancer, but because diagnostics are better, there's a much more likely chance that cancer will be detected at all. How many people do you think would get diagnosed with pancreatic cancer even 50 years ago? Brain cancer? Prostate cancer? Most people would likely die without ever cancer being diagnosed.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
@digitalartgirlslive
"so tell me how can you explain the dramatic increase in cancer cases in the last couple of decades ?"
People live longer. The longer you life, the more chance you have to get cancer.
"does that sound healthier?"
Considering 100 years ago, most people would be *DEAD* at that age... ummm... yeah. I'd call "still alive" healthier than "dead."
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
say "leverage" one more time, motherfucker, i dare you, i double dare you, say "leverage" one more goddamned time!
mortiphago 8 months ago
@digitalartgirlslive
"...poisoning our veggies with pesticides all of this sickness where not nearly as bad as they are today..."
This is a flat out lie. It only seems that way because people are living long enough that it is sickness killing them rather than a factory accident. If all the sickness and everything else were really getting worse, how is the average life span doubled in the last 100-200 years?
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
Iphone 8 will implement the new feature of texting.
Martyj2009 8 months ago
@digitalartgirlslive well, I´m convinced technology can make a great difference and really help us solve some serious problems out there...it´s our own actions we sometimes have to give a second thought, I guess. too bad not everyone does.
canadiancaro 8 months ago
@digitalartgirlslive unfortunately, this is hard to tackle, because when it comes to leading a healthy life, we have become shortsighted both to the consequences to ourselves and to the world around us, be it about diet, exercise, environment, or about global problems. by nature, mankind is bound to be entirely concerned with what is (temporarily/spacially/emotionally) present and important to us. this (SADLY &) ultimately leads to treating instead of preventing. still I think it´s wrong...
canadiancaro 8 months ago
Very noice.
Sounds amazing to me.
Aresftfun 8 months ago
anyone else who doesn´t think it´s a great idea to turn medicine into a field where no patient ever gets to speak to a doctor but is more or less examined, diagnosed and treated by iPhone apps and robots and wireless gadgets (or a doctor halfway across the country operating via these)?! yeah, awesome plan...
canadiancaro 8 months ago
@canadiancaro Yeah. I don't trust my mail to those dastardly robots either. That's why I only use carrier pigeon.
Syntheticbrawler 8 months ago
@Syntheticbrawler sorry, not quite what I meant. I´m a huge supporter of innovation. however, isn´t there more to medicine than only a diagnosis and a pill? how about some more attention by a human being? doesn´t it take some empathy and attention towards the patient as well to be a doctor? ever heard of a "handles-question"? In German, it means something along: sometimes, patients entrust a doctor with their true problem when they´re nearly out the door, so you need some actual facetime.
canadiancaro 8 months ago
amazing
NickxNZ 8 months ago
Amazing science. Long way from using leaches.
baxtar1963 8 months ago
so depressing
morthim 8 months ago
@morthim why
borntoball15x 8 months ago
lol "terrabyte"
un2mensch 8 months ago
What I find horrific about this is that balanced in every moment of awe at what we can do now is the thought, every time, "Imagine what some people could do to others with this..."
PixelSlayer247 8 months ago
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@PixelSlayer247
"What I find horrific about this is that balanced in every moment of awe at what we can do now is the thought, every time, "Imagine what some people could do to others with this...""
Except this is very, very advanced stuff. I know because I just got an MS in Bioinformatics... most the stuff he talked about I've studied, and I barely scratched the surface. If people want to harm others, there's much easier ways.
KemaTheAtheist 8 months ago
Im so happy I dont know what to say
SinisterElements 8 months ago
I know it's youtube cliche to say this but, how can someone dislike this?
Kignak25 8 months ago
@Kignak25 wrong hits or automatic bots, I think...
str3123 8 months ago
amazing talk!
PlutonGB 8 months ago
The future is awesome...
TheMetalHead102 8 months ago 40
@TheMetalHead102 Yeah pretty cool how you could kill a major portion of the population with an EMP.
ZombieX13 8 months ago
@TheMetalHead102 hope this stuff actually happens....
kathrynlambkin 8 months ago
reminds me of Micheal j fox
goldbear77 8 months ago
The future belongs to the nerds and geeks :)
This talk makes me appreaciating being one :D
gulllars 8 months ago
Amazing speech!!
rlclaveau 8 months ago
Absolutely amazing tech, and moving forward at such meteoric speed.
shade1978x 8 months ago
every sentence he said could have been turned into an equally long TED talk... amazing. Im saving that to my "ideas and technology for the future" playlist for sure
lukostello 8 months ago