People are not governed by reason, logic, or justice. We each seek continuously to negotiate a better position for our own status. We inevitably then strive to convict others to reduce their position, in effect to elevates our own. Most will work in groups that condemn society at large to make themselves feel more "righteous". I agree with you about not following any prophet, or "false" profit, - most will only follow "easy and lucrative profit". anyway,
The year of jublee was 1st time @1916-1917, then after ww2 around 1966-1967 (the hebraic year) when Mount Zion was 1st time after year 70 CE again under israelite control, and the next year of jubilee (we should proclaim a year of redeem, a year of jubilee as the prophet writen) should be @2016-2017. Now the next cycle will end obly in 2066-2067 and only a few countries (like Mongolia, Afganistan, Pakistan,..., and in some parts of Palestine) are left for the Gospel to be preached.
Religion is a phenomenon which oozes trouble - it is at best - very harmful yet rises up to being extremely dangerous and life-threatening. Irrespective of who is preaching and from what scriptures they profess to be the true word of God. All faith is based on myth - quintessentially, religion must take responsiblity for the bulk of misery and international conflict we experience today. Prayers remain futile one-way 'peace-of-mind' exercise - we are on our own - lets get real please!!!
LISTEN to the bible, and STOP listening to the liars on the internet. JW's really follow Jesus. THEY follow Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven!They made predictions,then corrected them when new insight was given from Jehovah.The early disciples kept thinking the kingdom was going to come at THEIR time-Matthew 24:3,Acts 1:6. They also had fights between them about who was the greatest among them. Judas turned in Jesus to be killed. Peter denied Jesus 3 times. They were IMPERFECT men.
as a former JW, it is absurd to me still today to believe that I once believed everything they said without questioning, and whenever questioned my conscience came into play and it was a dilemma. I thank the lord savior Jesus Christ for saving me and taking me off this organization that is truely a false prophet. To all JWs out there: I pray for you constantly, please read the scriptures, that's all it takes and let jesus free you forever!!!!! Amen
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You remind me of the Pharisee in Jesus day.You would gripe then and you gripe now.But as for the simple truth?? you could care less.Who are God's choisen people? You can't see the forest for the trees.Why Cause Satan has blinded your eyes.doctorate in sociology??Just have all the world has to offer.When ya Die?Take it with you! Regret is a bitter pill
for those that don't know this,Fred's nephew Raymond Franz passed away last june. He dedicated the rest of his life to warning people against the Watchtower society. I still keep in touch with his wife Cynthia.
@JGL53 If Jehovah's Wittnesses are lame,Then what do you call the GOD, JEHOVAH they Worship?And What Do you CALL the SON of GOD Jesus They Worship?YOU ARE EDUCATED BEYOND YOUR INTELLIGENCE
Who are the ones that Respect the almighty enough to Praise his name as Jesus taught us to do? I want to worship the same GOD that Jesus does at John 20:17. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’” 18 Mary Mag′da·lene came and brought the news to the disciples
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior.
It's really amazing how brainwashed some people are, the hold the churches in the cults higher than they hold God or his word. You'll always notice the church or some man is the final authority over Gods word. And they claim to be Christians that's what's funny, notice to when God word don't line up with what they have been told they attack The bible like The pagans do. They need to come out from among TGE false prophets and cult teachings and repent , open the word let God speak
I HAVE ONLY A FEW WORDS TO SAY: WE WILL SEE IN THE END WHO WILL BE LEFT STANDING AND IT IS NONE OF THE RELIGIONS OF CHRISTENDOM! REMEMBER JESUS MENTIONED THE GREAT APOSTOSY WHICH EVEN THOSE AMONGST THE RANKS WILL BE DECIEVED. I AM NOT A WITNESS BUT I RECOGNIZE THE FRUITS OF TRUTH AND IT IS NON EXISTENT IN CHRISTENDOM, SAY AS YOU WISH THE END WILL TELL A DIFFERENT TALE. AS WE SAY IN THE WORLD JEHOVAH WILL MAKE HIS ENEMIES EAT THEIR OWN EXCREMENT FOR SUCH REBELLION
I was raised a JW, and now earning a doctorate in sociology. I specialize in religion, and understand that the human being is in part divine. We are born with blank slate, and our mind sees the parents as all powerful. This impression stays with us for the duration of life. The truth is every religion is true if the solo practicioner is true. it is false if we are practicing without sincerity
@kogamisamurai Society in general is a reflection of a top down strategy. A few opulent, or "the fittest" form an oligarchy under many different names. We may call it capitalism, socialism, communism, or just "social paradigms of stratification". The fact is that a few rule many by proxy. The movie ZEITGEIST makes a good point. please look it up. It is available on u-tube and google. The watchtower society employs lock-down tactics and an all or none policy to destroy the "discovery" of truth.
@dynagravitomagnetic yep. and like the freemason organization, there is no honorable discharge, you falter, you get kicked out, you sell out, your reasoning gets twisted, ur kicked out, you say you want out, the still label you as one who is kicked out. they never want to look like they lose.
@wanitek it has been said they ask you to jump into their goldfish bowl and swim with them, but then if they think that you are too fancy, they bite off your tail, and if you complain about it, they bite off your head. in the family of my birth, i still have to deal with the residual effect. the sons and daughters were molested and destroyed, and now the grandchildren are given the houses, cars and gifts if they go to meetings and service. they do not have to speak to their dads who are cast out
@dynagravitomagnetic You have a doctorate in sociology (religion) and 1. you are or was a JW at the time you decided to attend college? 2. I was hoping for something more profound than this load of BS. 3. All religion are right you just got to believe. WTF, What office are trying to be elected
@19868441 I think political offices are going to be a thing of the past. A worldwide web based grand jury of the working class needs be formed to counterbalance the central banks and their puppet governments. All religion is true and all religion is false depending on the individual practitioner. I was forced into JW at about six years old. A functional family can withstand a white elephant by careful planning and teamwork, but a dysfunctional family can't even stand a mouse in the house! okay?
@dynagravitomagnetic So you say: as long as i believe sincerily lucifer is the light bringer to mankind, the saviour, then its okay??? Get a grip on your self. Grow up,,,,,wake up!! Jesu is the Christ and The Holy Spirit is our guide, not any organisations who suck blood and money from the naive
@HowardTheServant you don't quite follow the idea. You alone are responsible for your thoughts, feelings, and behavior. if you have an idea of the universe is outside, being a separate entity, then you exclude your personal liability. The fact is you are a component of the universe. What name you choose to call it is not the determining factor! You are a part of the divinity, and are responsible for developing your own emotional maturity, not forcing your will on others in the guise of "god"!
@dynagravitomagnetic When you put it that way,our diffrences are not so far apart after all.I have a strong fathe in the scriptures,but still i believe in the freedom to choose what ever one wants to believe.But in the scriptures its written something like this:When you see a propecy not coming true,youll know it's not from God.God's choosen ones,speak not from them self, but from God.That way its: prophet or a false prophet. Esekiel or Daniel did not have 93% propecys right but 100.Unlike today
@praiseJah7 Your religion is a joke you need too be more aware of history jws are like 100 yrs old your religion was just started by someone that had an idea for your church happens all the time in America what makes yours the correct one next time you talk to me try and do it like a normal person not in JW tongue . its ridiculous you guys cant ever have a normal debate you hide behind your bible and what the hell are Jehovahs doing on you tube isn't this for demonic worldly people
If the NWT was a literal translation like they claim, then Jn. 8:58 would not be rendered "I HAVE BEEN", but instead "I AM" like the Greek and many reputable translations read! But if that was done, then Jn. 8:58 would be too closely associated with Exo. 3:14, which the WS doesn't want. (In Exo. 3:14, God identifies Himself as I AM.)
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
(Deuteronomy 18:20-22) “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it.
Prophecies inspired by God will complete its purpose in the appointed time, and by no means will be under the category of wrong expectation. If man declares God will return in some time frame or specified year(s) and its is inspired by God, it WILL HAPPEN, if not, then it is FALSE prediction. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy ghost ..2 Peter 1:21
The Watchtower Society exists for one reason and one reason only, to make money for The Watchtower Society .. if you look at ONLY the failed prophecies of the last couple of decades The Watchtower's credibility crumbles .. I will never fully understand how people can allow themselves to be so deluded so often and still hang around for more ... all JWs should already be gone anyway because Human History ended in 1872, 1873, 1914, 1915, 1972 and 1975 .. just say "That's enough" and walk away.
Sounds to me that none of you paid attention to how you were listening, Jesus is clear on the point of there only being two roads to follow. The rest will be history, just like the ark of Noah's day. Funny, how that was Noah's whole family that remained outside of that ark, sound like a whole lot of disfellowshipping took place to me.
The new light getting brighter is the light that Freed people from all the incorrect teachings of Christendom. And for everyone who is holding the Watchtower to making incorrect assumptions; Do you hold the Catholic Church and all who remain a part of it to the same standard? That orginization has been involved in the killing of Bible students, Burning Bibles, supporting the wars of its countries on each side. What "Fruits" are those. Good or Bad?
Time present and time past Are both perhaps present in time future, And time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present All time is unredeemable. What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation. What might have been and what has been Point to one end, which is always present. Footfalls echo in the memory Down the passage which we did not take Towards the door we never opened Into the rose-garden. My words
"new light" as defined in the bible is the revelation of a more fuller truth adding to the exiisting truth already revealed. What the watchtower does is abuse this term. New light does not mean believing in one thing and then suddenly no longer believing in it. ie: blood transfusions or Jesus being God and then not etc, etc. This is not new light at all. This is an organization that is clearly causing disunity and confusion. by the way, the latin term for "disunity" is the word "diabolic"
Are you an elder that is on an "apostate" site? This is according to the teachings of the organization. Anyone can research this and confirm it for themselves. I think it ok to question if one has "the truth" or not. However, I do believe that you as an Elder are not supposed to be here....
You can hardly expect me to believe that you have the knowledge of long-time, experienced elders, showing this on the Faulty- site and being only a study!
Read those paragraphs carefully. They are hinting. You don't understand. I was there (very young) during the 1975 frenzy. More was said than printed. This is a similar case. Only the difference is that this time it is not printed in the litterature. They have been hit hard so many times for their false prophecies that they avoid printing it. Still, it is there.
You don't understand. Fight it all you want, in the you will leave. What is your answer to my PM?
And, I know first hand that witnesses are told not to read old witness literature, because they are always given "new light." Therefore, it is OK that false dates and doctrine changes. Yet...is it okay if other faiths do the same? I do believe they cut down other religions that get "new light." It is the hypocritical nature of this organization that truly is saddening, because the members do not even know or recognize what the organization is doing. The mind control is very effective.
@inspirediam exactly. u sum it up very well. technically, the term is a logical fallacy called "the straw man". for example, an elder would give a talk & in a couple sentences sum up, very weakly (hence the term "straw") the trinitarians argument in support of the trinity. then, since he portrayed the trinitarian argument in such a weak way it appears extremely easy to refute it. they do this on numerous topics which is why u will find jw's have a distorted understanding of other peoples beliefs
Then why is your "Organization" hinting a new year, 2034? In the usual manner the "Organization" is saying without really saying, counting on the publishers to do the math themselves- and take the blame on themselves just as when the 1975 false prophecy failed. Read for yourself the paragraphs 6-9 in dec 15, 2003 Watchtower and see how cunning and sly this is made.
They should change their name to "the Watchtower and Armageddon of New York incorporated."
1914 was no false prophecy. Compare the synchronized global events with the four horsemen and the Mount of Olives. It will have its complete fulfillment before earth succumbs to man, which it is hurriedly doing.
False Prophecy: Read the short book of the 'true' prophet Jonah. Also Habakkuk 2:3
Let a trees own leaves speak for its condition. We have brochures on every infuriating subject. M
1914 most definitely was a false prophecy. As stated in the Watchtower and by those alive by then, what was expected was 1) the definite end of the system of things 2) the rapture, or lifting up to heaven, of all the anointed ones.
Hello! I search Witnesses of Jehovah which are not registered at a government, which are not religion! I search those which read literature of Rassela, Ruterforda, Norra. help to find please!
The watchtower says it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements, as well as false prophecies, Therefore, it is not God's organization.
i dont care how much they claim the light is getting brighter, they dont speak for GOD, History proves ths
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear (Matt. 24:24).
@greatestgiftis then let me ask. what religion or organization on earth has made "accurate and true prophecies."? So who are not the "false prophets"? I will eagerly wait for your answer.
@kutulu6 when you straighten that question out better then you might get one. any and all churches that come with there prophecies all fail. if they made one right out of pure guess then got one wrong there still a false prophet just like watchtower
@greatestgiftis My question is very straight forward. Your reply eludes my question. Your so quick to condemn the watchtower. Once again I will ask you then who has or teaches the truth
@kutulu6 those who teach The truth are those who hold to the bible Sola Scriptura. God is there final authority he and his word is the truth and that is all man needs. And those who put God as the center along with his word are those who hold to The truth, the bible as a whole. Secondly all the churches out there who put themselves up as the only true church are USally cults . Mormons , JWs , Muslims , etc
@kutulu6 LOL!!! REALLY I know Santeros, Paleros, that know the bible better than most of apostates of christendom. So your saying those who possess and teach the truth are a mystery??? So those who teach the "truth," are a loose fit, an unooganized bunch of a select "few?" Sorry when Armageddon hits we will see who is truly the last one standing.
@kutulu6 sometimes it is easier to spot who does not have the truth, then who has it. We need to scrutinise all the claims. I think that the truth lies deep in the heart of every Man and Woman if we but search for it. The Kingdom of God is within.
@ironjohnlad INTELLIGENCE IS SOMETHING LACKING HERE ABOUT THAT STATEMENT. with in what? are you reasonable? Just who was Jesus Talking to? The Pharisee ! as I recall he told them THERE HOUSE HAD ABANDONED THEM,So How could God's Kingdom spoken at Daniel 2:44 whom JESUS is the King of,be with in them?? YOU MAKE NO SINCE! Truth is YOU don't care about the TRUTH>>So Attack the messenger.At least they admit when they are wrong about something and adjust their thinking.U R Still in the dark AGES
I remember his 1975 speech. It was garbled worse than this. Yes, Rutherford did say this. ("I have made an ass of myself.) He said the only thing he 'could' say. And he remained in the fold, and as President. Brother Franz should have said something similar with his failed 1975 prediction. Instead he lashed out. Hey, it hurts to be wrong, but the road to truth is paved with honest mistakes. M
Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
a mistake is one thing, but to claim to be the very mouth piece of god ?
I remember a circuit assembly in Sweden in feb of 1976 where a missionary, a brother that had been in the field in Spain, excitedly spoke about "the few remaining months for this world order". He added something about "holding on", for it would only be a matter of a VERY short time.
I wonder what he feels like now (if alive!), childless, worn-out, disappointed and having used up all his time on this wave of speculation fostered by the Society!
very true, my relatives held on & on, i had to quit school, a girl didnt need a job with armagedon coming around the corner!!
i went to work, propheting the wittnesses w/my donations, & my relatives whome took 1/2 my pay for room & board!
i married poorly in the organization to a man who raped me, but to stop from being a ''harlot or tramp'' i married him, this overseer-elders son was soo corrupt, he molested the 1 child we had 2gether!
I see. That's very sad. Perhaps try to move to another place, seek friendship with people who care for you. Do all you can to enjoy lift outside of the "Organization". I do, and I try not to be bitter although they stole 30+ years of my life!
However, I've managed to steer my kids away from the Watchtower, that's just wonderful.
Cruel indeed tommo. When I first became a JW there was an elderly couple in the cong who were childless. They said they sacrificed having children for "the Lord's work". That was 35 years ago. I have left the JWs now, but there are young couples in the congregations I know who are around 40 years old who also gave up the idea of having chilren for the Lord.
How many more people are going to have their lives taken away from them before people realise this is all wong?
Yes, How many? I warn all people I can. Your comment is spot on. I hope you don't mind I posted it on "The Watchtower's Faulty Bible" where I'm the most active.
In 1974, I was told by a JW elder, if I didn't believe the world was coming to an end in 1975, I had no faith. He was right in a way. I had no faith in the predictions of the Wachtower.
I prefer to put my faith in God.
That elder died some years ago, but he lived long enough to see the 1975 predictions weren't fulfilled.
He never apologised to me for his comments though.
"The light is getting brighter" does not apply to JW's because that term means to add to a truth so that it becomes clearer. The WT changes it's truth from left to right, up to down etc. this is not adding to the truth, The WT is supposed to give meat in due season. it is supposed to get that from it's remaining "144K" still on earth. ASK YOURSELF, HOW DOES THE WT REMAIN IN CONTACT WITH THESE PEOPLE SO THAT MEAT ( KNOWLEDGE) CAN BE GIVEN TO THE JW'S? surely the WT would not object to you asking?
That's where u got it twisted!!! Jesus is not God!!! Jesus is the son of God...John 3:16 for God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son!!! Why should we give Mary credit for God's work??? It was Jehovah who put Jesus in the womb!!! Mary was only chosen to give birth to Jesus!! you are the one in the cult!!! I suggest u actually read a bible and see what it says, instead of just playing it by ear!!!
i suggest you read a book "crisis of conscience" by ray franz. it details quite a bit. the idea of a seperate class of people, the "little flock" is an obvious falsehood. look up the scriptures that are used to support this idea they are very weak.
The apostles did make mistakes BUT not in matters of faith, the trinity, heaven, hell, purgatory or even in honoring the Blessed Virgin Mary. Seems that the watchtower has it wrong on every single point that makes a christian. However, you will not be able to seek the truth as the bible says you should do because the watchtower says so. Sad fact is, JW religion is based on the occult and it is not the holy spirit the guides the WT. Would it help if I said, seek and you shall find? probably not.
vincenz55 why are you listening to this anyway? Good witnesses dont listen to apostate teachings. You must be weak, to be so disobedient. By the way I am an ex-witness.
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The prophecies werent false just wrong expectations. you people are quick to jump to erroneous conclusions. so they made mistakes in the past..the apostles made mjistakes and had wrong expectations based on ignorance and personal feelings. Does that make them apostate, false prophets NO.They had to correct their ways of thinking just like the Jws have over the years. All your petty excuses and trivial issues isnt going to make God disown his chosen people..so you better join them before it2late
So, you think that prophesying that by 1925 Abraham, Issac and other "Ancient Worthies" would be resurrected to San Diego and then building a mansion for them to live in was simply a wrong expectation? I bet the Society loves people like you. They can get away with anything then.
@Truthbookblues so your perfect and dont make judgement errors? moses and even the apostles made errors but they straightened out and were accepted again.
you people atre so trivial and look at needles in haystacks..man look at the big picture..the end is coming armagheddon is near so is the great tribulation and the end pof false christianity..will yuo be among the casualties..its up to you
@vincenz55 When did Moses or the Apostles make errors? Did these errors concern prophecies that did not come true? What is your authority of mistakes? Prophecy is a serious business. The needle is not in the haystack but clearly in the literature of the Jehovah Witness books and paraphernalia. God doesn't change...there is no need, but man must change his dance & tune every time something new is discovered. God does know all. Poor Mr. Rutherford so convinced of his own righteousness.
@etcharrison look it up. peter disowned christ 3 times. peter showed favouritism to certain ones..moses claimed he made the miracle of the water no God..and more..you should know these things
@vincenz55 the apostles had wrong expectations when they asked Jesus privately if he'd establish his kingdom by then. russel and rutherford announced "sure" dates to millions of people, in the name of the Lord, as if the very Lord was telling them it. there's no comparison.
if you read the masthead, the purpose statement of the awake magazine. it is on the first page of the magazine. the jw's put words in Jehovah's mouth. the pre-1995 Awake magazines say that God promises to bring in the new order before all those of the 1914 generation dies. this "Creator's promise" changed when "the light grew brighter". what an insult to Jehovah!
@krunchtimetable you insult The almighty with your empty headed words and use his name to say hes insulted with no scriptural backing to even make such a erroneous statement...dont you read the scriptures? get with the program.
does it not say the light will continue to get brighter in the bible? yes or No.
A false prophet brings or shares a prophesy as being true and then it proves out to incorrect. Thus this person is a false or incorrect prophet. Doesn't have anything to do with if this person meant to be true and accidently was wrong, or didn't mean to be wrong. The mere fact that he WAS wrong, makes him false. True prophesy from God is NEVER wrong or untrue. God cannot lie, or be mistaken, accidently or otherwise. Neither can His prophets, as their prophesy is from God and cannot be wrong.
@iprazhm actually its wrong and they bury it... when they make wrong moves they paint it as: "we cannot always understand what God is asking of us but our faith should lead us to obey without question" and the best part is, people like us youtubers, are apostates just for researching the witnesses and got kicked out for just finding out stuff that they cannot and will not answer to. its fear tactics. who can have a wholesome fear from someone who says he will kill your ass if u dont worship him?
@vincenz55 I like how when the JW's prophecy fails the excuse is, "the light was getting brighter", but when it's anyone outside the JWs they are a false prophet. I like how at the 2010 convention the overseer said you cannot trust man at ALL, but then goes on to say to trust the organization, which is controlled.. by man. I like how the society warns not to read any outside publications saying "to the making of books there is no end" yet they release a new book every convention.
@vincenz55 Please tell yourself from the Bible (not a book about the Bible), the Bible itself the name of the Faithful and discreet slave. Book, chapter and verse, please.
@vincenz55 - But aposles didn't claim to have a direct channel to God, nor were responsible for the way millions of people think. You gotta leave before its too late.
@vincenz55 "Wrong expectations".. ha! Oh lord, will you tell us another joke? Pray tell, what would happen if you didn't preace from door to door these "wrong expectations"? Or of you wnet against one of them because they weren't based on the bible... complete shunning that's what!
@illuminated775 they certainly arent my people they must be your kind. who are foul mouthed and brain rotted. i aint giving you my number because i know it wont serve a purpose as your mind is already made up.
Any person who molests a child or adult is not from God no matter what they consider themselves.
@vincenz55 i dint say they were from god but your religion aka church does absolutely protects them im foul mouthed cuz that's all u deserve ignoramus i am a X JW don't act like i don't know what your about i dropped out because of the child abuse in the congregation maybe you should open your eyes but just like the rest your close minded and brain washed,
@illuminated775 Apostle paul was a christian persecutor and murderer. He changed his ways should we hold pauls past against him if God forgave him? should we hold your past against you after you made peace with him?
@vincenz55 what past r u gonna hold against me the fucked up one JWS made me have .and what the hell are you talking about did i ever say anything about the apostle paul is that what your calling me an apostate JWS are child molester protectors period
@vincenz55 what past r u gonna hold against me the fucked up one JWS made me have .And what the hell are you talking about did i ever say anything about the apostle Paul, is that what your calling me an apostate? JWS are child molester protectors period, you think what im saying is false i have the police reports to prove it your brainwashed cult and i regret being born into a family that forced this religon on me . you want to talk like a normal human then lets go if not shut your mouth
@vincenz55 Your a true jw marter arent you JOIN OUR DIE fuck that what you scare your kids with to like my family did you want to die don't you want to see your mom in the new system FANTASY LAND THINK ABOUT HOW WEIRD YOU SOUND .
Jehovah witnesses are no different to jews pharisees scribes and muslim because non of them believe jesus was God i have a question EXODUS ch33 v 20 shows us that no one has seen Gods face and lived but on Exodus ch 6v3 says he appeared to abraham isaac and jacob as God almighty how was this possible? the answer is Jesus appeared to them and jesus is God the other day i asked this same question to some jehovah witnesses they couldnt answer it inconsistency in their bible!!! Jesus is Lord
Tthe Kingdom-preaching work is urgent. The Bible says: Preach the word, be at it urgently. (2 Timothy 4:2) Why urgent today? Gods Word tells us: The great day of The almighty is near. It is near, and there is a hurrying of it very much. (Zephaniah 1:14) the time is coming quickly when Jehovah will bring this whole system of things to its end. People need to be warned! They need to know that now is the time to choose Jehovah as their Sovereign. The end will not be late.—Habakkuk 2:3
The watchtower are forfilling Jesus's prophecy matt ch 24v7 For false christs and false prohetss will rise and show great signs and wonders to decieve, if possible , even the elect. See I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you "look He is in the desert do not go out or look He is in the inner rooms do not believe it. so watchtower have decieve many the bible also says that Satan went out into the world to decieve many could the watchtower be lead by satan
God's word says Mark ch13 v 32-33:But of that day and hour no one knows,not even angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father, take heed watch and pray, for you do not know when the time is. If the word of God says no on knows the day and hour of which jesus will come then this must be the false prophets which the bible warns us about
I find it interesting that you chose this scripture. I believe you carefully chose around those verses like #10, which indicates that the earth and the works will be burned up. But then in verse#13 it says: Nevertheless, we according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Any Christian or Christ follower knows this. There is no need to fear the Day of the Lord. This is encouraging!
While its true that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night (unexpected, not on WTS specified dates) when He comes, every eye will see Him. We are now well past any possible 6000 years since the creation of mankind was complete (probably about 11000 BC)
So many false prophesies re the end of the world, so many flip-flopped "revelations", so many unscriptural edicts, and people still fall for this.
Its for sure they've never read the historical writings of the WTS.
It is understandable why these clergy or Opposers are spending so much time fault finding & that is all they ever do & focused on they are constantly waging war with us just like the Rabbis & the Priests did to Jesus.
They are angry because people in their churches are leaving them to become JW's to experience real pure worship. They are losing a lot of money. To all of you who wants to experience the very best of Christian love, 7 million of us JW's welcomes everyone!
To all those who are critical about Jw's,Why you wanted to know the exact time for "the end"..?and why claiming that Jw teaches lies?Read Genesis; Who lied??And see for yourself since that time until now to this present day What happen to mankind?So who has been lying?If one is Not ready,you better expect the "Day" comes late,so don't ask when but ask "are you ready for It??:))"
If you don't call harboring pedophiles due to the "2-3 witness rule" and allowing innocent people to die (1000's every year) due to a misapplied scripture dangerous, then there's not much anyone can say to you. How about shunning a child that was raised "in the truth" and cutting him/her out of their life just because they don't follow mom's and dad's faith any longer? That's not dangerous to strip away family contact from a youngster tying to figure out life, a time when family is needed most?
all of this talk about JW's going to hell..just think about it. JW's dont commit fornication, they try to live by bible rules, they dont commit adultry, steal, kill, dont use drugs, dont curse, has love for one another and they believe in god. so basically if the teaching of JW were wrong (which i seriously doubt) that means that regardless they will still go to heaven for living a clean life. according to other religions, all you have to do is believe in god and you're saved. right everyone??
Are you serious? The JW Organization is based on lies from day one when Charles Taze Russell started it all. It is a dangerous nonchristian cult that has brainwashed and deceived millions. The member's lives are dictated by everything written in the Watch Tower. Don't be so blind, wake up and smell the coffee. Anyone in their right mind can see through these types of cults it doesn't take rocket science.
How much do you actually know about them? It appears that it's not much. Please be informed before you post something that you know nothing of...smile.
Oh man ...can you imgagine if Drunk J. Rutherford was here today running the Watchtower? He would love to be a part of the United Nations and he would abolish the Blood Doctrine so he can have transplant easily using blood. This guy was some work. I wonder how many mansions he would station around the U.S , yet alone in the World? Cadillac Joe ...gotta go now on my newly built Jet or the prophets to join me for some Wine.
Of the hundreds of reasons that I left the Watchtower, the most poignant was the realization that I was worshipping the ideals and teachings of Joseph Rutherford! If you are studying with the Witnesses, please research the influence that this charlatan had on the "congregation" for two decades, only to die in a drunken heap at the foot of a stairway in his cherished Beth Sarim. His thumbprint is undeniable in the day-to-day operation of the JW's even today.........
Last ......well its "one ASS to another".....you and your failed 1975 prediction. you should have listened to your newphew Raymond when he was giving talks not to believe that 1975 is the end of this system....at least chose to leave it in Gods hand ..NOT MAN
by the way ....i love "THE CROSS" that they have on the cover of the watchtower back in the day .....WAIT!!!!! its new light ..thats why they removed it ....what a joke
Oh man ...so here we have Franz also disagreeing with the old teachings of the watchtower?......why did'nt Fred Franz get Df'd for apostasy?.. oh wait....he cant ..because who governs the governing body .....NO ONE !!! WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE
Does it really matter wheather our religion is not the right religion? Arent we all imperfect..Doesnt God Forgive US? So if the end does come and we are not in the "right" religion GOD will forgive us because we are not perfect..RIGHT??
You are partially right. God forgives. However, John 3:16 says: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." We need to exercise faith which requires EFFORT on our part. Our first priority is to get ACCURATE knowledge. John 17:3 says: "This means everlasting life, their taking in KNOWLEDGE of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."
Modern day JWs came out of nominal Christendom, so obviously they had to "refine" or correct themselves and their doctrine GRADUALLY. At the turn of the 20th century, they were still celebrating Christmas, birthdays and worshipping the cross! Jehovah God is not looking for perfect people nor so called "good" people. He's looking for TEACHABLE people. Unlike nominal Christendom, who cling on to pagan tradition such as hellfire and the Trinity, JWs are willing to CHANGE! - DANIEL 11: 35, 12:10
Nope, Russell was a Millerite, hardly nominal Christendom. It was a millennial movement focused on calculations based on biblical stories to predict the end of the world. Yes they were celebrating those things and they were no worse than anyone else. The point is they were no better either. They were teaching Russellism and his end of the world scenerios. "I follow Paul" sound familiar? "I follow Russell" Its a cult plain and simple. The change fits the legal system of the U.S. It's called cya.
Sigh. What I meant was that Russell and his companions came out of Babylon the Great (false religion) not neccessariy "Christendom". Some of his companions DID belong to various churches. We cannot deny the fact that the Bible DOES talk about Armageddon and Jesus even mentioned the time of "Great Tribulation".
People are not governed by reason, logic, or justice. We each seek continuously to negotiate a better position for our own status. We inevitably then strive to convict others to reduce their position, in effect to elevates our own. Most will work in groups that condemn society at large to make themselves feel more "righteous". I agree with you about not following any prophet, or "false" profit, - most will only follow "easy and lucrative profit". anyway,
dynagravitomagnetic 1 week ago
He made an ASS out of all the peoples of Jw then, and all who still are indoctrinated by the doctrines of the witness now
HowardTheServant 2 weeks ago
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The year of jublee was 1st time @1916-1917, then after ww2 around 1966-1967 (the hebraic year) when Mount Zion was 1st time after year 70 CE again under israelite control, and the next year of jubilee (we should proclaim a year of redeem, a year of jubilee as the prophet writen) should be @2016-2017. Now the next cycle will end obly in 2066-2067 and only a few countries (like Mongolia, Afganistan, Pakistan,..., and in some parts of Palestine) are left for the Gospel to be preached.
OryYah 1 month ago
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OryYah 1 month ago
The world will end in the year 2020. See the Aimed At America 1 video because there are too many parallels for this prophecy to be wrong!
vincent15641 2 months ago
@sbgrox11 Are you serious???If you are a JW and don't agree with Watchtower teaching you are disfellowshipped....
girlznguitarz 4 months ago
Religion is a phenomenon which oozes trouble - it is at best - very harmful yet rises up to being extremely dangerous and life-threatening. Irrespective of who is preaching and from what scriptures they profess to be the true word of God. All faith is based on myth - quintessentially, religion must take responsiblity for the bulk of misery and international conflict we experience today. Prayers remain futile one-way 'peace-of-mind' exercise - we are on our own - lets get real please!!!
Kinghornish 6 months ago
LISTEN to the bible, and STOP listening to the liars on the internet. JW's really follow Jesus. THEY follow Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven!They made predictions,then corrected them when new insight was given from Jehovah.The early disciples kept thinking the kingdom was going to come at THEIR time-Matthew 24:3,Acts 1:6. They also had fights between them about who was the greatest among them. Judas turned in Jesus to be killed. Peter denied Jesus 3 times. They were IMPERFECT men.
eternityandforever 6 months ago
as a former JW, it is absurd to me still today to believe that I once believed everything they said without questioning, and whenever questioned my conscience came into play and it was a dilemma. I thank the lord savior Jesus Christ for saving me and taking me off this organization that is truely a false prophet. To all JWs out there: I pray for you constantly, please read the scriptures, that's all it takes and let jesus free you forever!!!!! Amen
KanaYKana 7 months ago
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eternityandforever 7 months ago
You remind me of the Pharisee in Jesus day.You would gripe then and you gripe now.But as for the simple truth?? you could care less.Who are God's choisen people? You can't see the forest for the trees.Why Cause Satan has blinded your eyes.doctorate in sociology??Just have all the world has to offer.When ya Die?Take it with you! Regret is a bitter pill
acecharlie1 7 months ago
for those that don't know this,Fred's nephew Raymond Franz passed away last june. He dedicated the rest of his life to warning people against the Watchtower society. I still keep in touch with his wife Cynthia.
Paulgr 8 months ago
JWs are totally lame. That's the basic message, right?
Well, DUH!
JGL53 8 months ago
@JGL53 If Jehovah's Wittnesses are lame,Then what do you call the GOD, JEHOVAH they Worship?And What Do you CALL the SON of GOD Jesus They Worship?YOU ARE EDUCATED BEYOND YOUR INTELLIGENCE
acecharlie1 7 months ago
Fred Franz is a victom of the wolf;s Satan robed his future..Blink And he will steal your too
acecharlie1 9 months ago
@acecharlie1 The JWs are with Satan, Fred left the JWs so he has nothing to worry about,. It's you still in doing Satan's will.
huffdawgs8 7 months ago
Who are the ones that Respect the almighty enough to Praise his name as Jesus taught us to do? I want to worship the same GOD that Jesus does at John 20:17. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’” 18 Mary Mag′da·lene came and brought the news to the disciples
Jehovah Is the True God
acecharlie1 9 months ago
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Heed! Let's take notice of [The END] our time_ Mathew24:36-39
There are real understandings and hope profusely in God's Word, the Bible:
The world is managed_ 1John5:19 Revelation12:7-12
Major +/- occurrences_ Mathew24:7,8,10-14,21,22
Predicted changes in People’s behaviors_ 2Timothy 3:1-5
The True God will act soon_ Revelation16:13,14 Daniel2:44
We too must act so to be saved_ Revelation18:4 Zephaniah2:3 John17:3 Mathew6:9-11,33,34 Mark13:13
A New World, at hand Psalm37:9-11 2Peter3:8-13
plptous 9 months ago
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior.
harvestsoulfly 9 months ago
It's really amazing how brainwashed some people are, the hold the churches in the cults higher than they hold God or his word. You'll always notice the church or some man is the final authority over Gods word. And they claim to be Christians that's what's funny, notice to when God word don't line up with what they have been told they attack The bible like The pagans do. They need to come out from among TGE false prophets and cult teachings and repent , open the word let God speak
greatestgiftis 9 months ago
I HAVE ONLY A FEW WORDS TO SAY: WE WILL SEE IN THE END WHO WILL BE LEFT STANDING AND IT IS NONE OF THE RELIGIONS OF CHRISTENDOM! REMEMBER JESUS MENTIONED THE GREAT APOSTOSY WHICH EVEN THOSE AMONGST THE RANKS WILL BE DECIEVED. I AM NOT A WITNESS BUT I RECOGNIZE THE FRUITS OF TRUTH AND IT IS NON EXISTENT IN CHRISTENDOM, SAY AS YOU WISH THE END WILL TELL A DIFFERENT TALE. AS WE SAY IN THE WORLD JEHOVAH WILL MAKE HIS ENEMIES EAT THEIR OWN EXCREMENT FOR SUCH REBELLION
kutulu6 9 months ago
I was raised a JW, and now earning a doctorate in sociology. I specialize in religion, and understand that the human being is in part divine. We are born with blank slate, and our mind sees the parents as all powerful. This impression stays with us for the duration of life. The truth is every religion is true if the solo practicioner is true. it is false if we are practicing without sincerity
dynagravitomagnetic 11 months ago 3
@dynagravitomagnetic well said
kogamisamurai 10 months ago
@kogamisamurai Society in general is a reflection of a top down strategy. A few opulent, or "the fittest" form an oligarchy under many different names. We may call it capitalism, socialism, communism, or just "social paradigms of stratification". The fact is that a few rule many by proxy. The movie ZEITGEIST makes a good point. please look it up. It is available on u-tube and google. The watchtower society employs lock-down tactics and an all or none policy to destroy the "discovery" of truth.
dynagravitomagnetic 10 months ago
@dynagravitomagnetic yep. and like the freemason organization, there is no honorable discharge, you falter, you get kicked out, you sell out, your reasoning gets twisted, ur kicked out, you say you want out, the still label you as one who is kicked out. they never want to look like they lose.
wanitek 10 months ago
@wanitek it has been said they ask you to jump into their goldfish bowl and swim with them, but then if they think that you are too fancy, they bite off your tail, and if you complain about it, they bite off your head. in the family of my birth, i still have to deal with the residual effect. the sons and daughters were molested and destroyed, and now the grandchildren are given the houses, cars and gifts if they go to meetings and service. they do not have to speak to their dads who are cast out
dynagravitomagnetic 10 months ago
@dynagravitomagnetic You have a doctorate in sociology (religion) and 1. you are or was a JW at the time you decided to attend college? 2. I was hoping for something more profound than this load of BS. 3. All religion are right you just got to believe. WTF, What office are trying to be elected
19868441 1 month ago
@19868441 I think political offices are going to be a thing of the past. A worldwide web based grand jury of the working class needs be formed to counterbalance the central banks and their puppet governments. All religion is true and all religion is false depending on the individual practitioner. I was forced into JW at about six years old. A functional family can withstand a white elephant by careful planning and teamwork, but a dysfunctional family can't even stand a mouse in the house! okay?
dynagravitomagnetic 1 month ago
@dynagravitomagnetic So you say: as long as i believe sincerily lucifer is the light bringer to mankind, the saviour, then its okay??? Get a grip on your self. Grow up,,,,,wake up!! Jesu is the Christ and The Holy Spirit is our guide, not any organisations who suck blood and money from the naive
HowardTheServant 2 weeks ago
@HowardTheServant okay, that is really bizzare. - I hope you recover from your mental illness some day.
dynagravitomagnetic 2 weeks ago
@dynagravitomagnetic You know what? I just leave this one alone...
HowardTheServant 2 weeks ago
@HowardTheServant you don't quite follow the idea. You alone are responsible for your thoughts, feelings, and behavior. if you have an idea of the universe is outside, being a separate entity, then you exclude your personal liability. The fact is you are a component of the universe. What name you choose to call it is not the determining factor! You are a part of the divinity, and are responsible for developing your own emotional maturity, not forcing your will on others in the guise of "god"!
dynagravitomagnetic 2 weeks ago
@dynagravitomagnetic When you put it that way,our diffrences are not so far apart after all.I have a strong fathe in the scriptures,but still i believe in the freedom to choose what ever one wants to believe.But in the scriptures its written something like this:When you see a propecy not coming true,youll know it's not from God.God's choosen ones,speak not from them self, but from God.That way its: prophet or a false prophet. Esekiel or Daniel did not have 93% propecys right but 100.Unlike today
HowardTheServant 2 weeks ago
@praiseJah7 ill never change my mind about how i feel about religion but that was a real response thank you i appreciated that comment
illuminated775 1 year ago
@praiseJah7 Little to real for you, all of you guys a very close minded it is annoying
illuminated775 1 year ago
@praiseJah7 Your religion is a joke you need too be more aware of history jws are like 100 yrs old your religion was just started by someone that had an idea for your church happens all the time in America what makes yours the correct one next time you talk to me try and do it like a normal person not in JW tongue . its ridiculous you guys cant ever have a normal debate you hide behind your bible and what the hell are Jehovahs doing on you tube isn't this for demonic worldly people
illuminated775 1 year ago
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If the NWT was a literal translation like they claim, then Jn. 8:58 would not be rendered "I HAVE BEEN", but instead "I AM" like the Greek and many reputable translations read! But if that was done, then Jn. 8:58 would be too closely associated with Exo. 3:14, which the WS doesn't want. (In Exo. 3:14, God identifies Himself as I AM.)
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
SuperOZTV 1 year ago
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Jehovah's witnesses are cordially invited to "remain in the teaching of Christ" ...
2 John 1:9
... and to learn from Christ when He started to reign in Heavens
see the study at my "website" , and see if what you know is correctly based upon the "teaching of Christ"
Let the peace of Christ be upon those who "dwell in the teaching of Christ" ,
because they have both the Father and the Son.
tidingsbearer 1 year ago
Rutherford looks like a killer.What big scary face he had.
xsamitt 1 year ago
What is this talk called, i used to have it but lost it or someone borrowed it!! i rekon i can download it if you give me the name, thanks
djelc 1 year ago
Read Crisis of conscience and in search of Christian Freedom
governor1958 1 year ago
beth sarim yet another lie and scam.
lunabranwen 1 year ago
You're a crackpot for believing this lunacy.
bigguitar22 1 year ago
there nut cases
bluerok1 1 year ago
Vincenz55 cracks me up! Lol what a foolish die hard lol!
yodadoda123 1 year ago
Great Video!
(Deuteronomy 18:20-22) “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it.
3Mozzies 1 year ago
Prophecies inspired by God will complete its purpose in the appointed time, and by no means will be under the category of wrong expectation. If man declares God will return in some time frame or specified year(s) and its is inspired by God, it WILL HAPPEN, if not, then it is FALSE prediction. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy ghost ..2 Peter 1:21
EEDIAZ1000 1 year ago
The Watchtower Society exists for one reason and one reason only, to make money for The Watchtower Society .. if you look at ONLY the failed prophecies of the last couple of decades The Watchtower's credibility crumbles .. I will never fully understand how people can allow themselves to be so deluded so often and still hang around for more ... all JWs should already be gone anyway because Human History ended in 1872, 1873, 1914, 1915, 1972 and 1975 .. just say "That's enough" and walk away.
hammerogod 1 year ago
only Ahayah Ashar Ahayh knows the time when the world ends. Shalom
xdst84 1 year ago
Sounds to me that none of you paid attention to how you were listening, Jesus is clear on the point of there only being two roads to follow. The rest will be history, just like the ark of Noah's day. Funny, how that was Noah's whole family that remained outside of that ark, sound like a whole lot of disfellowshipping took place to me.
virgiliogarrett 1 year ago
The new light getting brighter is the light that Freed people from all the incorrect teachings of Christendom. And for everyone who is holding the Watchtower to making incorrect assumptions; Do you hold the Catholic Church and all who remain a part of it to the same standard? That orginization has been involved in the killing of Bible students, Burning Bibles, supporting the wars of its countries on each side. What "Fruits" are those. Good or Bad?
ladivadivala 1 year ago
archeng123 1 year ago
"new light" as defined in the bible is the revelation of a more fuller truth adding to the exiisting truth already revealed. What the watchtower does is abuse this term. New light does not mean believing in one thing and then suddenly no longer believing in it. ie: blood transfusions or Jesus being God and then not etc, etc. This is not new light at all. This is an organization that is clearly causing disunity and confusion. by the way, the latin term for "disunity" is the word "diabolic"
classicaldale 1 year ago
True, so WHY did the organization predict dates in the past?
inspirediam 1 year ago
Are you an elder that is on an "apostate" site? This is according to the teachings of the organization. Anyone can research this and confirm it for themselves. I think it ok to question if one has "the truth" or not. However, I do believe that you as an Elder are not supposed to be here....
inspirediam 1 year ago
Have you researched this organization? If not, then do so. Your word means nothing with out solid proof. What are your references?
inspirediam 1 year ago
This is all I am going to say...the witness literature teaches that false prophets predict end dates.
inspirediam 1 year ago
TheMrlovett
You can hardly expect me to believe that you have the knowledge of long-time, experienced elders, showing this on the Faulty- site and being only a study!
C'mon man, stop playing jokes!
tommotian 2 years ago
TheMrlovett
I suggest you invite the elder bolstering your comments to register on YouTube and he can comment in the open, yet remain anonymous.
How about that?
C'mon man!
Tell me!
tommotian 2 years ago
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megthepearl
Leave the brochures and start thinking on your own for a change, it will do you good.
Where is the answer to my question about cunnilingus?
Which is obviously an embarrassing question, but a necessary one in view of the Society's bedchamber rules.
Be up to the task or be a Society robot.
tommotian 2 years ago
TheMrlovett
For your own sake, stop all your "roflll"s. They are not going to impress anybody.
tommotian 2 years ago
TheMrlovett
Read those paragraphs carefully. They are hinting. You don't understand. I was there (very young) during the 1975 frenzy. More was said than printed. This is a similar case. Only the difference is that this time it is not printed in the litterature. They have been hit hard so many times for their false prophecies that they avoid printing it. Still, it is there.
You don't understand. Fight it all you want, in the you will leave. What is your answer to my PM?
tommotian 2 years ago
And, I know first hand that witnesses are told not to read old witness literature, because they are always given "new light." Therefore, it is OK that false dates and doctrine changes. Yet...is it okay if other faiths do the same? I do believe they cut down other religions that get "new light." It is the hypocritical nature of this organization that truly is saddening, because the members do not even know or recognize what the organization is doing. The mind control is very effective.
inspirediam 1 year ago
@inspirediam exactly. u sum it up very well. technically, the term is a logical fallacy called "the straw man". for example, an elder would give a talk & in a couple sentences sum up, very weakly (hence the term "straw") the trinitarians argument in support of the trinity. then, since he portrayed the trinitarian argument in such a weak way it appears extremely easy to refute it. they do this on numerous topics which is why u will find jw's have a distorted understanding of other peoples beliefs
1Mic89 1 year ago
TheMrlovett
Then why is your "Organization" hinting a new year, 2034? In the usual manner the "Organization" is saying without really saying, counting on the publishers to do the math themselves- and take the blame on themselves just as when the 1975 false prophecy failed. Read for yourself the paragraphs 6-9 in dec 15, 2003 Watchtower and see how cunning and sly this is made.
They should change their name to "the Watchtower and Armageddon of New York incorporated."
tommotian 2 years ago
@tommotian
TOMMO-
I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE PREDICTING AGAIN...WOW
YOU'D THINK THEY'D LEARNED FROM THE LAST 4-5X OF BEING '''WRONG''
juanitamorrisbraden 1 year ago
Yes indeed...for, they need to keep their members, or their way of life is gone.
inspirediam 1 year ago
PS: This is my opinion.
inspirediam 1 year ago
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megthepearl
On the excellent site "Why former Jehovah's Witnesses can't move on" I have a question about cunnilingus for you. But you may answer it as well.
Where in the Bible do we find this bedchamber rule?
Answer the question or be a coward.
tommotian 2 years ago
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megthepearl
Why don't you answer this question now:
About the "Organization", what is your opinion about the statement in The Watchtower, feb 15, 1981, that
"we cannot find the scriptural guidance we need outside the Faitful and Discreet slave".
[in reality the Governing Body in Brooklyn]
Is this your opinion also?
Answer the question or be a coward.
tommotian 2 years ago
1914 was no false prophecy. Compare the synchronized global events with the four horsemen and the Mount of Olives. It will have its complete fulfillment before earth succumbs to man, which it is hurriedly doing.
False Prophecy: Read the short book of the 'true' prophet Jonah. Also Habakkuk 2:3
Let a trees own leaves speak for its condition. We have brochures on every infuriating subject. M
megthepearl 2 years ago
meghtepearl
1914 most definitely was a false prophecy. As stated in the Watchtower and by those alive by then, what was expected was 1) the definite end of the system of things 2) the rapture, or lifting up to heaven, of all the anointed ones.
Neither occurred.
tommotian 2 years ago
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tommotian 2 years ago
Hello! I search Witnesses of Jehovah which are not registered at a government, which are not religion! I search those which read literature of Rassela, Ruterforda, Norra. help to find please!
issy5089 2 years ago
The watchtower says it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements, as well as false prophecies, Therefore, it is not God's organization.
i dont care how much they claim the light is getting brighter, they dont speak for GOD, History proves ths
greatestgiftis 2 years ago
The "light is getting brighter" for, it is exposing this organizations activities for what they are...
inspirediam 1 year ago
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear (Matt. 24:24).
greatestgiftis 2 years ago
@greatestgiftis then let me ask. what religion or organization on earth has made "accurate and true prophecies."? So who are not the "false prophets"? I will eagerly wait for your answer.
kutulu6 9 months ago
@kutulu6 when you straighten that question out better then you might get one. any and all churches that come with there prophecies all fail. if they made one right out of pure guess then got one wrong there still a false prophet just like watchtower
greatestgiftis 9 months ago
@greatestgiftis My question is very straight forward. Your reply eludes my question. Your so quick to condemn the watchtower. Once again I will ask you then who has or teaches the truth
kutulu6 9 months ago
@kutulu6 those who teach The truth are those who hold to the bible Sola Scriptura. God is there final authority he and his word is the truth and that is all man needs. And those who put God as the center along with his word are those who hold to The truth, the bible as a whole. Secondly all the churches out there who put themselves up as the only true church are USally cults . Mormons , JWs , Muslims , etc
greatestgiftis 9 months ago
@kutulu6 LOL!!! REALLY I know Santeros, Paleros, that know the bible better than most of apostates of christendom. So your saying those who possess and teach the truth are a mystery??? So those who teach the "truth," are a loose fit, an unooganized bunch of a select "few?" Sorry when Armageddon hits we will see who is truly the last one standing.
kutulu6 9 months ago
@kutulu6 sometimes it is easier to spot who does not have the truth, then who has it. We need to scrutinise all the claims. I think that the truth lies deep in the heart of every Man and Woman if we but search for it. The Kingdom of God is within.
ironjohnlad 8 months ago
@ironjohnlad INTELLIGENCE IS SOMETHING LACKING HERE ABOUT THAT STATEMENT. with in what? are you reasonable? Just who was Jesus Talking to? The Pharisee ! as I recall he told them THERE HOUSE HAD ABANDONED THEM,So How could God's Kingdom spoken at Daniel 2:44 whom JESUS is the King of,be with in them?? YOU MAKE NO SINCE! Truth is YOU don't care about the TRUTH>>So Attack the messenger.At least they admit when they are wrong about something and adjust their thinking.U R Still in the dark AGES
acecharlie1 7 months ago
@ironjohnlad REALLY??AND WHERE DID YOU GET THIS BIT A WISEDOM?? 2 cor 4;4 ??
acecharlie1 7 months ago
@acecharlie1 Luke
ironjohnlad 7 months ago
I remember his 1975 speech. It was garbled worse than this. Yes, Rutherford did say this. ("I have made an ass of myself.) He said the only thing he 'could' say. And he remained in the fold, and as President. Brother Franz should have said something similar with his failed 1975 prediction. Instead he lashed out. Hey, it hurts to be wrong, but the road to truth is paved with honest mistakes. M
megthepearl 2 years ago
Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
a mistake is one thing, but to claim to be the very mouth piece of god ?
greatestgiftis 2 years ago
megthepearl,
I remember a circuit assembly in Sweden in feb of 1976 where a missionary, a brother that had been in the field in Spain, excitedly spoke about "the few remaining months for this world order". He added something about "holding on", for it would only be a matter of a VERY short time.
I wonder what he feels like now (if alive!), childless, worn-out, disappointed and having used up all his time on this wave of speculation fostered by the Society!
What a cruel "Organization"!
tommotian 2 years ago
@tommotian
very true, my relatives held on & on, i had to quit school, a girl didnt need a job with armagedon coming around the corner!!
i went to work, propheting the wittnesses w/my donations, & my relatives whome took 1/2 my pay for room & board!
i married poorly in the organization to a man who raped me, but to stop from being a ''harlot or tramp'' i married him, this overseer-elders son was soo corrupt, he molested the 1 child we had 2gether!
nita47474747 2 years ago
nita47474747
I see. That's very sad. Perhaps try to move to another place, seek friendship with people who care for you. Do all you can to enjoy lift outside of the "Organization". I do, and I try not to be bitter although they stole 30+ years of my life!
However, I've managed to steer my kids away from the Watchtower, that's just wonderful.
Good luck.
tommotian 2 years ago
@tommotian
Cruel indeed tommo. When I first became a JW there was an elderly couple in the cong who were childless. They said they sacrificed having children for "the Lord's work". That was 35 years ago. I have left the JWs now, but there are young couples in the congregations I know who are around 40 years old who also gave up the idea of having chilren for the Lord.
How many more people are going to have their lives taken away from them before people realise this is all wong?
Hazel3336 10 months ago
@Hazel3336
Yes, How many? I warn all people I can. Your comment is spot on. I hope you don't mind I posted it on "The Watchtower's Faulty Bible" where I'm the most active.
God Bless you for saying what you said!
tommotian 10 months ago
@tommotian
No worries tommo.
In 1974, I was told by a JW elder, if I didn't believe the world was coming to an end in 1975, I had no faith. He was right in a way. I had no faith in the predictions of the Wachtower.
I prefer to put my faith in God.
That elder died some years ago, but he lived long enough to see the 1975 predictions weren't fulfilled.
He never apologised to me for his comments though.
Thankfully I am free now. May God bless you too.
Hazel3336 10 months ago
@Hazel3336
Thanks Hazel. Same to you.
tommotian 10 months ago
megthepearl,
now that we are at the question of the "Organization", what is your opinion about the statement in The Watchtower, feb 15, 1981, that
"we cannot find the scriptural guidance we need outside the Faitful and Discreet slave".
[in reality the Governing Body in Brooklyn]
Is this your opinion also?
tommotian 2 years ago
"The light is getting brighter" does not apply to JW's because that term means to add to a truth so that it becomes clearer. The WT changes it's truth from left to right, up to down etc. this is not adding to the truth, The WT is supposed to give meat in due season. it is supposed to get that from it's remaining "144K" still on earth. ASK YOURSELF, HOW DOES THE WT REMAIN IN CONTACT WITH THESE PEOPLE SO THAT MEAT ( KNOWLEDGE) CAN BE GIVEN TO THE JW'S? surely the WT would not object to you asking?
classicaldale 2 years ago
if their teachings are wrong, please show me what is wrong, because i'm studying with them now!!!
Zlixx 2 years ago
They dont believe Jesus is God
They dont give credit to the Virgin Mary, to these people she is just a baby factory.
dont put your faith in this cult. Listen to the real founder.....Jesus Christ himself. dont study with this people.
Jesus is God.
joelopeztube 2 years ago
That's where u got it twisted!!! Jesus is not God!!! Jesus is the son of God...John 3:16 for God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son!!! Why should we give Mary credit for God's work??? It was Jehovah who put Jesus in the womb!!! Mary was only chosen to give birth to Jesus!! you are the one in the cult!!! I suggest u actually read a bible and see what it says, instead of just playing it by ear!!!
Zlixx 2 years ago
@Zlixx
i suggest you read a book "crisis of conscience" by ray franz. it details quite a bit. the idea of a seperate class of people, the "little flock" is an obvious falsehood. look up the scriptures that are used to support this idea they are very weak.
krunchtimetable 1 year ago
The apostles did make mistakes BUT not in matters of faith, the trinity, heaven, hell, purgatory or even in honoring the Blessed Virgin Mary. Seems that the watchtower has it wrong on every single point that makes a christian. However, you will not be able to seek the truth as the bible says you should do because the watchtower says so. Sad fact is, JW religion is based on the occult and it is not the holy spirit the guides the WT. Would it help if I said, seek and you shall find? probably not.
classicaldale 2 years ago
Hell and purgatory are no matters brought in to this world by the Word of God, the Bible. That are human inventions.
marcusampe 2 years ago
vincenz55 why are you listening to this anyway? Good witnesses dont listen to apostate teachings. You must be weak, to be so disobedient. By the way I am an ex-witness.
sula236 2 years ago
i know you i wont be listening to you now. fred franz isnt a an ex witness unlike you
vincenz55 2 years ago
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The prophecies werent false just wrong expectations. you people are quick to jump to erroneous conclusions. so they made mistakes in the past..the apostles made mjistakes and had wrong expectations based on ignorance and personal feelings. Does that make them apostate, false prophets NO.They had to correct their ways of thinking just like the Jws have over the years. All your petty excuses and trivial issues isnt going to make God disown his chosen people..so you better join them before it2late
vincenz55 2 years ago
So, you think that prophesying that by 1925 Abraham, Issac and other "Ancient Worthies" would be resurrected to San Diego and then building a mansion for them to live in was simply a wrong expectation? I bet the Society loves people like you. They can get away with anything then.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago 8
they admitted their mistakes and strive to do better..whens the last time the religion you belong to admitted an error in interpretation.?
vincenz55 2 years ago
@Truthbookblues so your perfect and dont make judgement errors? moses and even the apostles made errors but they straightened out and were accepted again.
you people atre so trivial and look at needles in haystacks..man look at the big picture..the end is coming armagheddon is near so is the great tribulation and the end pof false christianity..will yuo be among the casualties..its up to you
vincenz55 1 year ago
@vincenz55 When did Moses or the Apostles make errors? Did these errors concern prophecies that did not come true? What is your authority of mistakes? Prophecy is a serious business. The needle is not in the haystack but clearly in the literature of the Jehovah Witness books and paraphernalia. God doesn't change...there is no need, but man must change his dance & tune every time something new is discovered. God does know all. Poor Mr. Rutherford so convinced of his own righteousness.
etcharrison 1 year ago
@etcharrison look it up. peter disowned christ 3 times. peter showed favouritism to certain ones..moses claimed he made the miracle of the water no God..and more..you should know these things
vincenz55 1 year ago
@vincenz55 i would honestly like to know what you would consider a false prophecy then?
1Mic89 1 year ago
@vincenz55 the apostles had wrong expectations when they asked Jesus privately if he'd establish his kingdom by then. russel and rutherford announced "sure" dates to millions of people, in the name of the Lord, as if the very Lord was telling them it. there's no comparison.
IoSonoIoProprioIo 1 year ago
@vincenz55 You are kidding, right?
hammerogod 1 year ago
@vincenz55
if you read the masthead, the purpose statement of the awake magazine. it is on the first page of the magazine. the jw's put words in Jehovah's mouth. the pre-1995 Awake magazines say that God promises to bring in the new order before all those of the 1914 generation dies. this "Creator's promise" changed when "the light grew brighter". what an insult to Jehovah!
krunchtimetable 1 year ago
@krunchtimetable you insult The almighty with your empty headed words and use his name to say hes insulted with no scriptural backing to even make such a erroneous statement...dont you read the scriptures? get with the program.
does it not say the light will continue to get brighter in the bible? yes or No.
vincenz55 1 year ago
A false prophet brings or shares a prophesy as being true and then it proves out to incorrect. Thus this person is a false or incorrect prophet. Doesn't have anything to do with if this person meant to be true and accidently was wrong, or didn't mean to be wrong. The mere fact that he WAS wrong, makes him false. True prophesy from God is NEVER wrong or untrue. God cannot lie, or be mistaken, accidently or otherwise. Neither can His prophets, as their prophesy is from God and cannot be wrong.
iprazhm 1 year ago 8
@iprazhm actually its wrong and they bury it... when they make wrong moves they paint it as: "we cannot always understand what God is asking of us but our faith should lead us to obey without question" and the best part is, people like us youtubers, are apostates just for researching the witnesses and got kicked out for just finding out stuff that they cannot and will not answer to. its fear tactics. who can have a wholesome fear from someone who says he will kill your ass if u dont worship him?
wanitek 10 months ago
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@vincenz55
Douglas Walsh Trial - 1954:
Q. Back to the point now, a false prophecy was promulgated?
A. I agree to that.
Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah's witnesses?
A. That is correct.
Q. If a member ... took the view himself that that prophecy was wrong, and said so, would he be disfellowshipped?
A. Yes, if he ... kept on persisting in creating trouble ... Our purpose is to have unity.
Q. A unity based on an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?
A. That is conceded to be true.
justice1954 1 year ago
@vincenz55 I like how when the JW's prophecy fails the excuse is, "the light was getting brighter", but when it's anyone outside the JWs they are a false prophet. I like how at the 2010 convention the overseer said you cannot trust man at ALL, but then goes on to say to trust the organization, which is controlled.. by man. I like how the society warns not to read any outside publications saying "to the making of books there is no end" yet they release a new book every convention.
UNSUNGBAND 1 year ago
@vincenz55 Please tell yourself from the Bible (not a book about the Bible), the Bible itself the name of the Faithful and discreet slave. Book, chapter and verse, please.
napsuta 1 year ago
@vincenz55 - But aposles didn't claim to have a direct channel to God, nor were responsible for the way millions of people think. You gotta leave before its too late.
RODikUlus 1 year ago
@vincenz55 "Wrong expectations".. ha! Oh lord, will you tell us another joke? Pray tell, what would happen if you didn't preace from door to door these "wrong expectations"? Or of you wnet against one of them because they weren't based on the bible... complete shunning that's what!
georgiahuff 1 year ago
@vincenz55 your people are child molester protectors you want to argue about it i know it personally ass hole lets talk ill give u my phone number
illuminated775 1 year ago
@illuminated775 they certainly arent my people they must be your kind. who are foul mouthed and brain rotted. i aint giving you my number because i know it wont serve a purpose as your mind is already made up.
Any person who molests a child or adult is not from God no matter what they consider themselves.
vincenz55 1 year ago
@vincenz55 i dint say they were from god but your religion aka church does absolutely protects them im foul mouthed cuz that's all u deserve ignoramus i am a X JW don't act like i don't know what your about i dropped out because of the child abuse in the congregation maybe you should open your eyes but just like the rest your close minded and brain washed,
illuminated775 1 year ago
@vincenz55 Thats up to God to decide not you or i
vincenz55 1 year ago
@vincenz55 and your religion was started by a man like you and me and that man Charles taze Russel is a Freemason
illuminated775 1 year ago
@illuminated775 Apostle paul was a christian persecutor and murderer. He changed his ways should we hold pauls past against him if God forgave him? should we hold your past against you after you made peace with him?
vincenz55 1 year ago
@vincenz55 what past r u gonna hold against me the fucked up one JWS made me have .and what the hell are you talking about did i ever say anything about the apostle paul is that what your calling me an apostate JWS are child molester protectors period
illuminated775 1 year ago
@vincenz55 what past r u gonna hold against me the fucked up one JWS made me have .And what the hell are you talking about did i ever say anything about the apostle Paul, is that what your calling me an apostate? JWS are child molester protectors period, you think what im saying is false i have the police reports to prove it your brainwashed cult and i regret being born into a family that forced this religon on me . you want to talk like a normal human then lets go if not shut your mouth
illuminated775 1 year ago
@vincenz55 Your a true jw marter arent you JOIN OUR DIE fuck that what you scare your kids with to like my family did you want to die don't you want to see your mom in the new system FANTASY LAND THINK ABOUT HOW WEIRD YOU SOUND .
illuminated775 1 year ago
Rutherford probably really said..I made an ass of myself, BUT ONE HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY FOR DOING IT!
melvyd2 2 years ago
Jehovah witnesses are no different to jews pharisees scribes and muslim because non of them believe jesus was God i have a question EXODUS ch33 v 20 shows us that no one has seen Gods face and lived but on Exodus ch 6v3 says he appeared to abraham isaac and jacob as God almighty how was this possible? the answer is Jesus appeared to them and jesus is God the other day i asked this same question to some jehovah witnesses they couldnt answer it inconsistency in their bible!!! Jesus is Lord
theola232 2 years ago
theola,
amen, jesus is RISEN LORD!
1962islander 2 years ago
your clueless with regards to the bible and religion. be careful who you point the finger to hypocrite. jews, jws and muslims all beleived in jesus.
vincenz55 2 years ago
Tthe Kingdom-preaching work is urgent. The Bible says: Preach the word, be at it urgently. (2 Timothy 4:2) Why urgent today? Gods Word tells us: The great day of The almighty is near. It is near, and there is a hurrying of it very much. (Zephaniah 1:14) the time is coming quickly when Jehovah will bring this whole system of things to its end. People need to be warned! They need to know that now is the time to choose Jehovah as their Sovereign. The end will not be late.—Habakkuk 2:3
vincenz55 2 years ago
The watchtower are forfilling Jesus's prophecy matt ch 24v7 For false christs and false prohetss will rise and show great signs and wonders to decieve, if possible , even the elect. See I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you "look He is in the desert do not go out or look He is in the inner rooms do not believe it. so watchtower have decieve many the bible also says that Satan went out into the world to decieve many could the watchtower be lead by satan
theola232 2 years ago
your probably a dumb orthodox or ignorant catholic. stop pretending to know the bible like your false preists who cant even find a bible scripture
vincenz55 2 years ago
God's word says Mark ch13 v 32-33:But of that day and hour no one knows,not even angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father, take heed watch and pray, for you do not know when the time is. If the word of God says no on knows the day and hour of which jesus will come then this must be the false prophets which the bible warns us about
theola232 2 years ago
2 Peter 3:9-12)
Godss day will come as a thief,
11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 AWAITING and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah
vincenz55 2 years ago
I find it interesting that you chose this scripture. I believe you carefully chose around those verses like #10, which indicates that the earth and the works will be burned up. But then in verse#13 it says: Nevertheless, we according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Any Christian or Christ follower knows this. There is no need to fear the Day of the Lord. This is encouraging!
TheHeavensDove 2 years ago
While its true that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night (unexpected, not on WTS specified dates) when He comes, every eye will see Him. We are now well past any possible 6000 years since the creation of mankind was complete (probably about 11000 BC)
So many false prophesies re the end of the world, so many flip-flopped "revelations", so many unscriptural edicts, and people still fall for this.
Its for sure they've never read the historical writings of the WTS.
happylada 2 years ago
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It is understandable why these clergy or Opposers are spending so much time fault finding & that is all they ever do & focused on they are constantly waging war with us just like the Rabbis & the Priests did to Jesus.
They are angry because people in their churches are leaving them to become JW's to experience real pure worship. They are losing a lot of money. To all of you who wants to experience the very best of Christian love, 7 million of us JW's welcomes everyone!
We teach free of charge!
Matthew24O14 2 years ago
Did the JWs knock your mind up? Unknock it at jehovahswitless do weebly do com.
historyscoper 2 years ago
CHERRYBLOSSOMatmy= just parroting what you have been told no critical reasoning no independent thought.Braindead watctower zombie
CASEYELLOW007 2 years ago
To all those who are critical about Jw's,Why you wanted to know the exact time for "the end"..?and why claiming that Jw teaches lies?Read Genesis; Who lied??And see for yourself since that time until now to this present day What happen to mankind?So who has been lying?If one is Not ready,you better expect the "Day" comes late,so don't ask when but ask "are you ready for It??:))"
cherryblossomATMY 2 years ago
What about 2012 ? some say Apocalypse will come in 2012.
what does the Bible say about year 2012 ?
RagionerBambocci 2 years ago
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
espyd21c 2 years ago
a dangerous cult?.....lol seriously??.....
looniandburke 2 years ago
If you don't call harboring pedophiles due to the "2-3 witness rule" and allowing innocent people to die (1000's every year) due to a misapplied scripture dangerous, then there's not much anyone can say to you. How about shunning a child that was raised "in the truth" and cutting him/her out of their life just because they don't follow mom's and dad's faith any longer? That's not dangerous to strip away family contact from a youngster tying to figure out life, a time when family is needed most?
middleman777 2 years ago
all of this talk about JW's going to hell..just think about it. JW's dont commit fornication, they try to live by bible rules, they dont commit adultry, steal, kill, dont use drugs, dont curse, has love for one another and they believe in god. so basically if the teaching of JW were wrong (which i seriously doubt) that means that regardless they will still go to heaven for living a clean life. according to other religions, all you have to do is believe in god and you're saved. right everyone??
looniandburke 2 years ago
Are you serious? The JW Organization is based on lies from day one when Charles Taze Russell started it all. It is a dangerous nonchristian cult that has brainwashed and deceived millions. The member's lives are dictated by everything written in the Watch Tower. Don't be so blind, wake up and smell the coffee. Anyone in their right mind can see through these types of cults it doesn't take rocket science.
bj616 2 years ago
looniandburke,
How much do you actually know about them? It appears that it's not much. Please be informed before you post something that you know nothing of...smile.
middleman777 2 years ago
hehe good job.
espyd21c 2 years ago
Oh man ...can you imgagine if Drunk J. Rutherford was here today running the Watchtower? He would love to be a part of the United Nations and he would abolish the Blood Doctrine so he can have transplant easily using blood. This guy was some work. I wonder how many mansions he would station around the U.S , yet alone in the World? Cadillac Joe ...gotta go now on my newly built Jet or the prophets to join me for some Wine.
dadof2lilqueens 2 years ago
Judge Rutherford is supposed to have said, that he has `bluffed` his way through life...thats pretty worrying.
Dictionary definition: BLUFF: To show yourself to be, confident, strong in order to deceive....
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
He wasn't really a judge, he just gave himself that title. He was a bullshitter just like Charles Taze Russell and there is no denying it.
bj616 2 years ago
Fred Franz also disagreed with a Governing Body.....and said it was `non-Christian.
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
Of the hundreds of reasons that I left the Watchtower, the most poignant was the realization that I was worshipping the ideals and teachings of Joseph Rutherford! If you are studying with the Witnesses, please research the influence that this charlatan had on the "congregation" for two decades, only to die in a drunken heap at the foot of a stairway in his cherished Beth Sarim. His thumbprint is undeniable in the day-to-day operation of the JW's even today.........
mrbarthoss 2 years ago
Last ......well its "one ASS to another".....you and your failed 1975 prediction. you should have listened to your newphew Raymond when he was giving talks not to believe that 1975 is the end of this system....at least chose to leave it in Gods hand ..NOT MAN
dadof2lilqueens 2 years ago
by the way ....i love "THE CROSS" that they have on the cover of the watchtower back in the day .....WAIT!!!!! its new light ..thats why they removed it ....what a joke
dadof2lilqueens 2 years ago
Oh man ...so here we have Franz also disagreeing with the old teachings of the watchtower?......why did'nt Fred Franz get Df'd for apostasy?.. oh wait....he cant ..because who governs the governing body .....NO ONE !!! WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE
dadof2lilqueens 2 years ago
Hey bro what's up? HAHA I found ya...shhh! I was posting on here and just noticed your handle.
Blessings...
middleman777 2 years ago
Does it really matter wheather our religion is not the right religion? Arent we all imperfect..Doesnt God Forgive US? So if the end does come and we are not in the "right" religion GOD will forgive us because we are not perfect..RIGHT??
bboymanuel 2 years ago
You are partially right. God forgives. However, John 3:16 says: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." We need to exercise faith which requires EFFORT on our part. Our first priority is to get ACCURATE knowledge. John 17:3 says: "This means everlasting life, their taking in KNOWLEDGE of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."
zprodigalson 2 years ago
Modern day JWs came out of nominal Christendom, so obviously they had to "refine" or correct themselves and their doctrine GRADUALLY. At the turn of the 20th century, they were still celebrating Christmas, birthdays and worshipping the cross! Jehovah God is not looking for perfect people nor so called "good" people. He's looking for TEACHABLE people. Unlike nominal Christendom, who cling on to pagan tradition such as hellfire and the Trinity, JWs are willing to CHANGE! - DANIEL 11: 35, 12:10
zprodigalson 2 years ago
Nope, Russell was a Millerite, hardly nominal Christendom. It was a millennial movement focused on calculations based on biblical stories to predict the end of the world. Yes they were celebrating those things and they were no worse than anyone else. The point is they were no better either. They were teaching Russellism and his end of the world scenerios. "I follow Paul" sound familiar? "I follow Russell" Its a cult plain and simple. The change fits the legal system of the U.S. It's called cya.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
Sigh. What I meant was that Russell and his companions came out of Babylon the Great (false religion) not neccessariy "Christendom". Some of his companions DID belong to various churches. We cannot deny the fact that the Bible DOES talk about Armageddon and Jesus even mentioned the time of "Great Tribulation".
zprodigalson 2 years ago