@YARROWS The commander of the British 1st Airborne Division was Major General Urquhart, he was Scottish, and yes, he did indeed shoot a German soldier dead.
@NoobSnoopy What good would that do? They establish that the pilots have orders to ignore anything from the ground. For all they knew, those British could have been Germans.
@NoobSnoopy Combination of manpower and the fact they aren't adequately equipped. They're up against a mechanized SS unit with tanks, and they have little to use against that.
What no historian has ever accurately addressed is why in the world the Brits, after learning of their comm problems, didn't make a concerted effort to retake their landing zone. It is one of those absolute mysteries of Market Garden. With respect to many of the staff and field grade officers and senior NCOs, this was a complete amateur hour effort.
A Bridge to far is a fantastic movie, but with the usual problems to show REAL war. No smell. no wounded crying for hours, no gunfire sound that hits the body like a hammer. No risk for the viewer. All the guys in this scene look like fresh from breakfast table. The eyes of men who fought for days look very different. Even the bravest have a limit. This movie is much better than most of today but it was only a movie, no documentation. Some say Goldthorpe's story is invention, but he told it.
I'm not sure, some of the older movies have a classic feel to them, but for realism, stuff like Band Of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan are definately more realistic, Band Of Brothers has some pretty disturbing scenes, and the gore in Saving Private Ryan really adds to the horror.
Well Band of Brother is realistic, most of the soldiers in the Company die, the entire story is based on what really happened to soldiers who were actually there.
@liamuk08 it is a true story but the way it's portrayed sometimes exaggerates , overemphasizes certain aspects at the cost of complete accuracy/realism to make it more dramatic.. no disrespect to anyone here it's just how the film business works.
That Sergeant Larry Goldthorpe, who was the "beret pannier" man survived unhurt and knew what he found in the box. He was in E" Squadron, No.2 Wing, The Glider Pilot Regiment. He got the pannier together with a comrade, Len King who was the other pilot in his Horsa glider.Both got back over the Rhine to XXX corps. In the hundreds of boxes some with maroon berets would have made no real difference, if they had hit the right spot. But even with plenty amo and food, after a week the men burned out.
Do we really need to tell you why? The name of the book and the movie based on the book says it all -- a Bridge too far. The average life expectancy for a paratrooper in WWII, Brit or Yank, was 3.5 seconds. When I first heard that in jump school I did choke, but hey, I was young and full of piss and vinegar -- AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY!!
my grandfather and uncle died in the actual operation market garden Col. Joseph Slowey, and Captain Peter Slowey both of the Red devils. (note: the Paras got the nickname red devils not because of the maroon beret but because of the sand that covered them during the 1942 north african campaign, the Germans compared them to devils because of their ferocity in battle)
They did their job with heroism but could not hold on forever without armored support and re supply. Montgomery did not understand warfare that involved paratroopers...he did not understand the need for rapid re-supply and re-enforcement. That was the failure, re-enforcement coming in the form of a one tank front....it had nothing to do with radios.....although that foul up certainly didnt help matters.
The Dutch underground TOLD the British about the two SS Panzer divisions resting and recuperating at Arnhem. An RAF Spitfire recce aircraft got a good shot them. Monty CHOSE to not believe because he wanted to end the war by Christmas and live up to his rep from El Alamein. This scene was heatbreaking.
Its kind of funny All they needed to do is pick up a phone. The Dutch underground had a way to make a secure line - but the British army didnt trust it.
When I tell people about this movie, I ALWAYS send them the link to this scene. I think this scene is the defining scene of the whole movie and pretty much sums up all of the problems that Operation Market Garden encountered.
The guys holding the bridges just didn't have the kind of time it was taking for their re-enforcements to make their way up that damn narrow road . It was a tragedy of epic proportions in which the best trained soldiers of the day (American & British Airborne warriors ) were simply wasted.
This event actually happened in real life, however the brave para did not die and was to discover that he had risked his life for the sake of a few red berets.
No disrespect to your comment but,He wasnt a Para...
He was 2nd Battalion, South Staffordshire Regiment, part of the 1st Airlanding Brigade which landed in Gliders....
But a brave lad all the same...
I recommend to anyone who is intrested in this battle, to watch the film " Theirs is the glory ".. It was made one year after the battle, on location in and around Arnhem by the survivors (no actors) and is a must.....
Its such a shame, a brave guy dies cause his stupid commanders didnt give them descent radios, OR at least have a back up plan in case their radios didn't work and their drop zones captured, I mean how hard is it to teach at least a few of them a secret mark, to do incase their radios are F'ed up and lost the drop zones, they should realize they're radios are F'ed up when they haven't heard from them snce the mission started. When idiots lead armies, its brave men like him that pays for it
I think he means the planes themselves, and the fact the film got that accurately. Not that they were dropping it in the wrong LZ, or that the British were suffering.
Who the hell drops berets to a a battlefield? Last I checked you can eat or shoot felt.
Trashcansam123 2 months ago
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jaberq879 3 months ago
brave and sacrifice...and you? what would you do for others ?
PETERBILT281DUEL 6 months ago in playlist A Bridge Too Far Highlights
He risked his life ... for a couple of Berets ... Thats fucked up.
KoesKoes99 7 months ago
This is one of those scenes where you just have to sit back and take a deep breath after seeing.
hben00 7 months ago
Was the commander of the British troops Scottish,and did he really shoot a German soldier dead in battle.
YARROWS 1 year ago
@YARROWS The commander of the British 1st Airborne Division was Major General Urquhart, he was Scottish, and yes, he did indeed shoot a German soldier dead.
aushumanhoover 4 months ago
man you know british 1st airborne division would never be forggotten.
"in the attack the most daring in the deffence the most cunning, in endurance the most steadfast"
wiston leonard spencer churchill
GenGeogeSPatton 1 year ago
Poor lad! He had taken the wrong crate:(
otto5OOO 1 year ago
This idiots have fight for the rothschildfuckers!
nachtschattenuser 1 year ago
what a waste of a good soldier...... being sniped..... just for a supply of berets
asimpson210 1 year ago
come on they dont have flares??
what a joke
NoobSnoopy 1 year ago
@NoobSnoopy What good would that do? They establish that the pilots have orders to ignore anything from the ground. For all they knew, those British could have been Germans.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago
i watched it in hd version, really good one
allaboutgamez 1 year ago
as if u would need fucking berets
shitchops 1 year ago
lol 2:56
Eidbo 1 year ago
2:56
Eidbo 1 year ago
what was in the crate? it looked like hats
alejeron 1 year ago
@alejeron Berets.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago
@HenryvKeiper why were their Berets in a Supply Crate!!? how about food and ammo?
jasincl 10 months ago
@alejeron 2:56
Eidbo 1 year ago
Lol the supply drop were filled with berets.
anttonoo 1 year ago
umm? why wont they capture landing zones?
NoobSnoopy 1 year ago
@NoobSnoopy Combination of manpower and the fact they aren't adequately equipped. They're up against a mechanized SS unit with tanks, and they have little to use against that.
HenryvKeiper 1 year ago
@NoobSnoopy they wer driven out
policeman451 1 year ago
What no historian has ever accurately addressed is why in the world the Brits, after learning of their comm problems, didn't make a concerted effort to retake their landing zone. It is one of those absolute mysteries of Market Garden. With respect to many of the staff and field grade officers and senior NCOs, this was a complete amateur hour effort.
rwalden2007 1 year ago
and the dc3 crashes
davvvvo 1 year ago
A Bridge to far is a fantastic movie, but with the usual problems to show REAL war. No smell. no wounded crying for hours, no gunfire sound that hits the body like a hammer. No risk for the viewer. All the guys in this scene look like fresh from breakfast table. The eyes of men who fought for days look very different. Even the bravest have a limit. This movie is much better than most of today but it was only a movie, no documentation. Some say Goldthorpe's story is invention, but he told it.
crematio 2 years ago
@crematio
I'm not sure, some of the older movies have a classic feel to them, but for realism, stuff like Band Of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan are definately more realistic, Band Of Brothers has some pretty disturbing scenes, and the gore in Saving Private Ryan really adds to the horror.
liamuk08 1 year ago
@liamuk08
band of brothers realistic??? funniest thing i heared today
loewie3007 1 year ago
@loewie3007
Well Band of Brother is realistic, most of the soldiers in the Company die, the entire story is based on what really happened to soldiers who were actually there.
liamuk08 1 year ago
@liamuk08
yes that is a fact i agree but the conflicts there are not realistic at all
loewie3007 1 year ago
@liamuk08 it is a true story but the way it's portrayed sometimes exaggerates , overemphasizes certain aspects at the cost of complete accuracy/realism to make it more dramatic.. no disrespect to anyone here it's just how the film business works.
panicboixd 1 year ago
@liamuk08 i dont beleive one guy with a M1 Garand killed more then 20 germans right in front of him without being shot in the face 84times
jasincl 10 months ago
That Sergeant Larry Goldthorpe, who was the "beret pannier" man survived unhurt and knew what he found in the box. He was in E" Squadron, No.2 Wing, The Glider Pilot Regiment. He got the pannier together with a comrade, Len King who was the other pilot in his Horsa glider.Both got back over the Rhine to XXX corps. In the hundreds of boxes some with maroon berets would have made no real difference, if they had hit the right spot. But even with plenty amo and food, after a week the men burned out.
crematio 2 years ago
A rather tragic incident indeed. All that for a bunch of berets! I could see if it had been ammunition or something.
Ken Palmer
kenpalmer1965 2 years ago
What?!!! Berets?!! That's it?! No actual supplies or ammo?! What the hell are these commanders thinking?!!
krnsoldier 2 years ago
@krnsoldier Want the troops to look good when they win.
Aegrim 2 years ago
@Aegrim haha :)
krnsoldier 2 years ago
@krnsoldier I wasn't joking when i made that comment, it's the actual reason they were dropping them in.
Aegrim 1 year ago
Do we really need to tell you why? The name of the book and the movie based on the book says it all -- a Bridge too far. The average life expectancy for a paratrooper in WWII, Brit or Yank, was 3.5 seconds. When I first heard that in jump school I did choke, but hey, I was young and full of piss and vinegar -- AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY!!
SgtGross 2 years ago
lol
TheProudAmerican777 1 year ago
I like how he runs to get the crate thing, but no one cares to look for survivors of the plane/paradrop.
nelson3300 2 years ago
Am i right in thinking that when the Dakota crashes its a tribute to David Lord
slugworths 2 years ago
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slugworths 2 years ago
Oh bloody hell & Bollocks!
Who would drop clothing in a war zone, anyway?
the82spartans 2 years ago
Well, the Colonel and his staff need to change their trousers once in a while! :p
nelson3300 2 years ago
Hollywood dumkopfts... they try so hard only to fuck up time and time again.
I did like the film, however. Saw it a the treatre back in its day...
the82spartans 2 years ago
If the British Army High Command was even half as good as the average infantryman, this would never have happened.
I look at this as an enormous tragedy- an elite division destroyed because of the ambitions of one man.
TheRingil 2 years ago
my grandfather and uncle died in the actual operation market garden Col. Joseph Slowey, and Captain Peter Slowey both of the Red devils. (note: the Paras got the nickname red devils not because of the maroon beret but because of the sand that covered them during the 1942 north african campaign, the Germans compared them to devils because of their ferocity in battle)
batugan21 2 years ago 5
Red berets?! Fuck... As if they weren't prominent enough target for the germans....
jonascheah 2 years ago
lol yeah that never made sense to me
goldyn12345 2 years ago
They did their job with heroism but could not hold on forever without armored support and re supply. Montgomery did not understand warfare that involved paratroopers...he did not understand the need for rapid re-supply and re-enforcement. That was the failure, re-enforcement coming in the form of a one tank front....it had nothing to do with radios.....although that foul up certainly didnt help matters.
Nightsurf59 2 years ago 6
The Dutch underground TOLD the British about the two SS Panzer divisions resting and recuperating at Arnhem. An RAF Spitfire recce aircraft got a good shot them. Monty CHOSE to not believe because he wanted to end the war by Christmas and live up to his rep from El Alamein. This scene was heatbreaking.
killingamps 2 years ago
Montgomery should be court-martialled and relieved of his command for this screw-up and unecessary loss of lives
jonascheah 2 years ago 2
Its kind of funny All they needed to do is pick up a phone. The Dutch underground had a way to make a secure line - but the British army didnt trust it.
RA306 2 years ago
When I tell people about this movie, I ALWAYS send them the link to this scene. I think this scene is the defining scene of the whole movie and pretty much sums up all of the problems that Operation Market Garden encountered.
TIcalcul8rsrule 2 years ago 4
The guys holding the bridges just didn't have the kind of time it was taking for their re-enforcements to make their way up that damn narrow road . It was a tragedy of epic proportions in which the best trained soldiers of the day (American & British Airborne warriors ) were simply wasted.
Nightsurf59 2 years ago 3
Very true, very true
TIcalcul8rsrule 2 years ago
They should have a statue cast in bronze of a falling soldier carrying a tube of red berets.
happymana 3 years ago 3
1 thing to say.. LOL!
GoldenOzuro 2 years ago
This event actually happened in real life, however the brave para did not die and was to discover that he had risked his life for the sake of a few red berets.
ZaZaTofuHumperdink 3 years ago 16
WHAT! he didn't die........thank god.....
Tattooedromeo 2 years ago 3
He was pretty pissed off when he found out.
R3sident3ve 2 years ago
@ZaZaTofuHumperdink
No disrespect to your comment but,He wasnt a Para...
He was 2nd Battalion, South Staffordshire Regiment, part of the 1st Airlanding Brigade which landed in Gliders....
But a brave lad all the same...
I recommend to anyone who is intrested in this battle, to watch the film " Theirs is the glory ".. It was made one year after the battle, on location in and around Arnhem by the survivors (no actors) and is a must.....
beerzippy 1 year ago
I'd recommend that guy for a posthumous Victoria Cross if i was his CO, even though that box was just full of caps.
Taylorboast4 3 years ago 10
I hate that moment on this scene that he's going sniped :(
Xboxjuh 3 years ago
Its such a shame, a brave guy dies cause his stupid commanders didnt give them descent radios, OR at least have a back up plan in case their radios didn't work and their drop zones captured, I mean how hard is it to teach at least a few of them a secret mark, to do incase their radios are F'ed up and lost the drop zones, they should realize they're radios are F'ed up when they haven't heard from them snce the mission started. When idiots lead armies, its brave men like him that pays for it
cammand2 3 years ago
"Well, Maybe too morrow"...
MoviesvKing 3 years ago
Brave troop,
Paladin1441 3 years ago
Aparently this scene really happened only the guy running for the 'supplies' didn't die.
BoyofmanyNames 3 years ago
Well that sucks. Dying for a bunch of berets.
Byos4902 3 years ago 5
They should have known something was up if one guy could lift the canister.
Hawk193 3 years ago 3
So, who have we got? Insp. Galloway from the Bill, Kevin's Dad from Harry Enfield and the old guy from Ever decreasing circles? How odd...
digglyda 4 years ago
the radios were experiencing problems before the mission even started.
goldyn12345 4 years ago
Why is that cool?
tedfellows 4 years ago
I think he means the planes themselves, and the fact the film got that accurately. Not that they were dropping it in the wrong LZ, or that the British were suffering.
HenryvKeiper 4 years ago
Cool, that Dakota's drop that food on the german linies
kerwick80 4 years ago
I'd say it's more depressing than cool ;)
HenryvKeiper 4 years ago
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Eat Dog shit off of the street.....It is good for the likes of you!!
hoadmaback 3 years ago