DEBATE: Isaiah 53:11, How Can God Be "Satisfied" If Most People Are Going to Hell?

[fudgedogbannana]

Boys boys cant we all just get along, Wrong! I like to see a good fight. In the sower and the soil parable not all the seed fell on good soil and flourished, some didnt stand a chance. I'm thumping my way around the bible and I cant seem to find where it says" Many are called and few are chosen". I know it doesnt say every one called and every one chosen, doesnt even say many are chosen, only few are chosen. Lets hope He changes His mind and admits we poor slobs

[CAnswersTV]

@fudgedogbannana Of course we know that God does not change (Malachi 3:6) & that the elect are already predestined for glory BEFORE they are ever born (Romans 9:10-22, Eph 1:1-11, etc). Thus God will bring about the salvation of sinners in their lifetimes (some are saved in real time at a young age in life, others in the middle & others when they are old - Matthew 20:1-16). Men that deny God's sovereign power in the salvation of sinners always try to replace it with "works" they can do instead.

[vennchris]

And also, God is satisfied because God's judgment for us was fulfilled through Jesus Christ. God is a God of Judgment. And God's judgment must be kept straight. God does not like unjust weights. God likes everything to be balanced and equal.

In the end, God will deliver our due reward to every man. And for Christ to be raised up on the cross and crucified is what satisfied and quenched God's anger that He originally had against us because of our sins, which Jesus took upon Himself.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris I can let this comment ride since you have left out much of your Arminian heresy here unlike your other comments.

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV You can call it arminian heresy all you like., I don't feel sin, nor conviction of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, there is no sin in this, as Paul stated. God calls it "preaching the truth of God and of the Kingdom". And Jesus would say the same thing.

He died for many (meaning "all"), but only some shall be saved. That is the truth that I believe and I will not be moved from it. I hope we have an understanding.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris I noticed that you did not answer the Biblical questions put forward to you: why did Jesus preach in parables if he wants "all" to be saved (Mark 4:11-12), did Jesus "die" for Pharoah mentioned in Exodus, etc.? I'm not interested in your nonBiblical opinions. You make all these claims about Jesus dying to give everybody a "chance" (what about Cain in the book of Genesis?) but it's obvious that your mind is so conditioned by Arminian tradition you can't see what the Bible teaches.

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV You do have a very, valid point. Jesus preached in parables so that many could not unravel the mystery of God. Therefore, to the ones that could not understand, they were not granted the Kingdom.

What I am trying to get across to you is that I use examples of explaining the scripture, while giving hope. But I've noticed that you've spoken of inevitability. The Word of God is truth. I see what you mean. But remember that it is by God's grace that anyone is saved, not everyone.

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV If you are clearly going to disrespect my faith in God, then we'd better drop this conversation right now. You claim that I am using a form of "arminian tradition", yet you're clearly using the teachings of the French Reformer John Calvin. Who are you to judge me? You condemn yourself in your own judgments. And God is the witness of that.

This conversation's done. I've said what I've spoken as the truth. Jesus died to give the chance, but only some will take it, thus, (CHOSEN).

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris I am not DISRESPECTING your faith in God but your UNBIBLICAL HERESIES that accompany your faith. I never read Calvin to bring up all the scriptures I've related, just the Bible. You're the one who is DISRESPECTING the clear teaching of the word of God. You think men can save themselves because God gave them a "chance" but that's total nonsense. God CHOOSES who is saved (Romans 9) not men because it is "impossible" with them (Mark 10:27). Listen to the entire 4 hour debate & learn.

[vennchris]

Jesus died for everyone, not just some people. You are slightly misunderstood because Jesus did die for everyone. For example, when scripture says, "the sins of many", it means that in the end, there will be a certain number of individuals that will be saved by Jesus Christ. Not everyone will be saved.

You're slightly off because Jesus died for everyone. But not everyone will be saved by the end of the road. Compare those passages you just read to Revelation 7. You will understand then.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris Wrong again. If Jesus wanted everyone to be saved then why did he spend so much time preaching in parables (Mark 4: 11-12)? Why did he run off so many people time & time again when they were trying to follow him (John 6, for instance)? God certainly takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked but at the same time He has made them for the purpose of destruction (Romans 9:22) just like Pharoah (Rom 9:17, God even hardened Pharoah's heart to oppose Moses (read Exodus), get it?

[vennchris]

I tell you, God desires that everyone be saved. It also says that as well. But even in the Book of Revelation, it mentions 144, 000 with the Lamb, these being the ones that have the name of God in their foreheads.

God knows that many will turn from Him in the last days, but nevertheless, He desires everyone to be with Him, even though He knows that not everyone will accept Him and continue to follow Him. And Jesus clearly died for everyone, not just some.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris You are certainly incorrect on this point. This was answered again & again during this four hour debate. Jesus only came to die for His elect, not the those unchosen by the Father (read John chapter 6 & 2 Tim 2:24-26). Just as the Israelites were the only ones chosen on the face of the earth by God (Deuteronomy 7), so the true believers in Jesus are chosen by God (John 1:12-13, not by the will of man or the flesh). I notice you argue without quoting much scripture to make your case.

[polopowers1]

Steve God did not die for any man God cannot die.Jesus Christ the man died being fully God but dying only as a man.If Jesus died for all than man has greater power than God to independently send God away.Steve does man have this power?