I Love You, I will Pray For You My Brother :-) Remember Brothers and Sisters, You do not need a religion to have God. God is Love, I Love him, and I Love every single one of you as equally :-)
@theparodyworks i myself as a christian can say that its not we christians that believe the world is gonna end in 2012 is the scientists that found that answear and you atheists believe in science dont ya ?
The deity of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic (Abrahamic) faith traditions didn't start out alone. The religous course went from polytheism, to henotheism (as Muller uses it), to monotheism (a strict montheism within Judaism and Islam, and a tripartite monotheism w/in trinitarian Christianity). The God of the 10 Commandments was the high deity. Elohim (longuistically related to Allah, both being Semitic), the plural of eloah [god] (or El [God]), describes the other deities.
@BishopNo You're right, of course, but however you describe them they are the imaginings of barbaric, tribal people. There is nothing about them that makes them superior to any other god ever imagined by humans. They are as capricious, spiteful, angry, vengeful, jealous and bloodthirsty as all the others. I have rejected them all.
@Largo64 Some of these same deities are also represented and viewed by their devotees as compassionate, merciful, just, grateful, loving, and good. How can they be these things while being capricious, spiteful, angry, vengeful, jealous and bloodthirsty? Because these attributes find their origin in humankind. The deity is the representation. The projection. And a way to try to find human terms for the very human, and thus complex, experience/perception of the transcendent.
@BishopNo That's very insightful. But because the deity (whatever a particular culture's name for him might be) IS the projection of human virtues AND faults, the idea that it is trancendent is all the worse. If people try to reflect all the characteristics of their god, and their god is just a reflection of them, the result is a like inbreeding. People may still try to emulate the worst characteristics of their god, just as he reflected the worst of theirs.
@Largo64 I think that Fowler's theory of faith development is worth looking at here. Most people don't seem to mature in their faith development to stage 5 (Conjunctive Faith), where, as Fowler once said in an interview, "we are ready for allegiances beyond our tribal gods and tribal taboos." I would say that the people (who seem to be the majority) criticized by those who comdemn religion as a whole are living in a conformist and adolescent stage of faith development.
@BishopNo I have to balance out what I've just posted by adding that one of the underlying causes of these critiques of religion, as manifested in the Fowler's 3rd stage (Synthetic [i.e. synthesis] Conventional, where God is a "personal reality"), could be that these critics, who are in stage 4 (Individuative/ Reflective), feel embittered with and betrayed by the belief-systems that they have come to find unsatisfactory. Of course, this is theory. I bring it up because I find it relevant.
@BishopNo That's part of our dilemma, one only has to read their so called literal word of god(bible) and it will give one plenty of examples of every emotion and spite and hate etc etc. All exhibited by their god of the bible for one. The bible is the most contradictory book ever written by mankind...so if you need to know how a person can be evil nasty and at the same time angelic in regard....you figure it out,we have, it's easy, THERE IS NO GOD(s)
Intelligent, obviously well-thought, and nicely articulated. It amazes me the vitriol and poison generated by the "chosen ones" when someone dares question religion.
Yeah, sign me up for that. Not.
Great job. I enjoy your video takes, but don't understand the pointing to "links" to your right or left... is that on your channel?
@dustoff7 The pointing thing is because the information box used to be to the upper right of the screen. Since I did this YT changed the page format. I always used to point to the box. It just isn't where it used to be!
@Largo64 No worries! Thanks for the reply! Keep up the work; truly compelling and quite useful as support for arguments of my own in other media (Facebook, of course).
You may be the most unintelligent person I have ever met. Get an education you are lying and are a bias asshole atheist. Please get an education before posting you bias and dumb videos. You sicken me.
@alex21rw If you disagree with me, suppose you make an argument instead of flinging insults. Your remarks are typical of ignorant people who don't like something but can't say why.
@knoketj, picking questions from people who can't articulate their feelings ? First of all, these questions were sent to him. If these people, " whom you call stupid " do not want an answer from an intellectual, perhaps the "stupid " should ask questions to the "stupid ".
@KO3NO, You can indulge in anything your whole life including sin, or follow God. According to God, you may sin, all he cares of is that you accept him, hence the reason im confused as to why he sent his son to die for our sin
Its funny how you chose the questions from people not able to articulate their feelings in a scholarly way. An obvious superior intlectual mind would not need to pick on peoples beliefs to gain pleasure, yeah right! LOL You are a work old man, a work in deed. Good luck to you. God is great
It's a comfort to listen to rational debate. So glad there is rational debate on a subject matter one usually has to pass in awkward silenced taboo. Keep up the good work Largo64
The bible clearly states if you choose to turn away you will perish in hell for entirity. You choose to follow christ. Its your own free will, the gift from it is eternal life. God knows everyones path before it happens. People pray for many reasons, he always provides. Jesus was a man he had to suffer agonizing pain for our sins. And he was sacrificed for you. So saying its a fraud is pointless. He went through death. Old testiment were under different law then new testiment.
@K03N0 Of course the bible clearly states. The bible says a lot of things that are not true. But you are mistaken when you say you will perish in hell for eternity. If you perish, you are simply dead. That's what the word means. At least get the threat right, hmmm? What you meant was you will dwell in hell for eternity. And as I told this person in the video, fear is just a tool to keep people in line. It's necessary to keep them fearful, so they don't question.
cont. As to the "sacrifice," the "plan of salvation," the idea is disgusting. Allowing someone else to suffer and die for whatever wrongs YOU have done is the very type of injustice. The plan is both unjust and immoral. That you would permit another to take responsibility for your sins speaks more to your character than to the "goodness" of the scapegoat.
@K03N0 what is "free will" - Pain forever more or Christianity (sounds like my way or the highway ) - that is only 2 choices? As for your Jesus, so he suffered but did he die - in the true sense, to die and not come back zombie like or otherwise? Suffering absolute pain to atchive immortality... I can see a line forming now of eager people.
you can induldge your whole life do whatever you want. No rules sin all you want. Or you can live your life for god and follow his word. Its your own choice. Follow your own "morals" as athiest tend to say. Shoot someone in the face, hey if you think its right, of course it is! I also know i cant change your mind and your look on life through youtube bickering. IN the end you will make your choice.
i'll tell u honestly. i love this life because i can find people like u.
this world is not totally deluded. there is a hope. unite!
continue, man!
sadly, we live in a such stupid deluded world that makes us show to people how stupid they r. but soon a big change will come. now religious stupidity is obvious to many people. unite! spread zeitgeist!
If we should worship the Christian god because he can kill us, think about this.
H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu is a horrible butcher. His faithful worshipers will be rewarded by being the first to die. If that's the reward for the faithful, imagine how terrible the non-believers will suffer. I suggest we convert to worshiping the Great Old Ones on the off chance that Lovecraft was a prophet and not just a sci-fi writer.
God dont wants you to go to hell you are going there because you want to. he can save you if you believe in him. why is that so hard to understant. you say all this things because you wanna keep sinning and sinning and you dont want ti accept the reality
oh and who are u 2 say what a "GOD" is suppose 2 be like? and sorry 2 burst your bubble but there is historical and scientific evidence that jesus did exsist
@murdaman702 Care to cite it for me, Sparky? If it's Josephus you can forget it. Josephus was a Jew who was born about thirty years after the alleged Jesus' death. The "Testimonium Flavianum," supposedly Josephus' work, was an interpolation by a third century Catholic bishop named Eusebius. Strangely, he was the first to "quote" the Testimonium. So where's your "evidence?"
actually instead of just believing everything your told, take time to watch all 3 parts of the "Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold" videos, they are all based on FACTS and even though you will probably be stubborn and not take the time to actually think about it they point out alot of interesting things
i need to be able to tell the difference? HAHAHAHA ok i can tell your just gonna be one of those stubborn ridiculous unnegotiable people who wont listen to anything whether its the truth or not so whatever you keep praying to some fuck who will never answer you. its unbelieveable how many questions you could get asked about the existence of god and respond with something other than an answer
Jasonthegaiface, our bodies are individually programed but yet in a " set " way for us to act ? So if a person murders, all people are programed to indulge in the same action ? Your theory sounds more like robotics from an industrial mechanical business line rather than human characteristics. Human Nature i presume is the theory you're projecting. Funny though how some can be violent, others adverse !
Human template ? A being primordial and a modern human ? THE SAME ?
I love you and your belief ,jus make sure you dont die an early death with this what i can call anger. Athiest you are, but chill a bit. God that sounds so rubbish but, well i think you know where i am coming from, RELAX. The BOOK and any religion followed by the letter is obviously stupid, we cant even get history and the timeline correct, so why trust a book from whenever ago? yours truly, keith
The human body and mind is a complicated series of electricity and chemicals that work in patterns of links sent from the brain to trigger movement/emotion ect, even if we believe we have free will the reality is that we dont, our brains are programmed individually to perform tasks neccesary for our survival, however our bodies are individually programmed they are still programmed in a set way for us to act (a human template).
I've never read more than a few passages from the bible, way back in sunday school as a kid. However, from the point of view of an educated adult, much of it seems to be batshit crazy. It's almost as though the whole thing was really just made up by some bronze age control freaks in order to scare people into living a certain way. How do the believers justify the nonsense?
No doubt atheists are a minority, but I think they are a larger minority than many people think. When people are polled on their beliefs, often doubters are loath to admit it, especially if believing relatives are nearby.
I don't know; considering how many religions there are and how many churches I think it is pretty interesting how many people bought into none of the religions.
I was directed here by KingHeathen under the impression that this video is incredibly astute and well-done; I am not disappointed. Good job! Keep up the good work.
There are more than 30000 christian denominations, all with different interpretations of the bible, so being christian does NOT help in understanding "god's word".
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. Clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Leviticus 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Religious people tend to believe in a deity resembling themselves. Isn't it curious!? A god that is full of hate, retribution, animosity and sadism. Hmm, interesting! An intelligent and almighty entity that for some unknown reasons cares whether I believe in him or not. Only an ignorant/thoughtless person could fear such a notion. . .
I enjoyed your views, and opinion. Great video. I find it redundant, that christians seek to prove their points through the scripture of the bible. If one does not believe in the bible and sees those who wrote it to be full of crap for lack of a better term. I cannot take the stories told in the bible as fact for that requires faith, which I lack. I would like to hear you speak about this in some future video.
No, im not RingofFire22, I just saw what he said and completely agree. Sounds exactly like the answers Hitchens gave in his debate with Al Sharpton, with some other exact sentences from countless debates I've seen
@MrYouHaveNoClue I never heard or saw a debate between Richard Dawkins and Al Sharpton. So far I don't know which words you or that other troll are talking about. When I quote someone word for word I use those little marks that look like this (" ") and attribute the words to their author. But similar ideas are not plagiarism. For the last time, quote me the exact words you are talking about. Now you are just being a troll. Plagiarism is a serious charge, and you'd better fucking prove it!
@Largo64 Theres a difference in restating something in your own words and taking someones exact words out of context, what don't you understand about that
@MrYouHaveNoClue Is this RingofFire22 in a sock account?Of course there is a difference, but I did not do that. I never consciously stole anything in my life. I'm not stupid. I know thousands of people could be seeing what I say. Suppose you show me the words I'm supposed to have stolen. I've been containing myself pretty well so far, but I'm really getting pissed at this bullshit plagiarism charge! Produce the "exact words" you think I stole or shut the fuck up!
Perhaps Ringo is just hiding his blatant homosexuality because it's against God. I mean if he's seeing penises (peni?) instead of a human head, he's clearly gay.
@Largo64 You don't have any genuine material to present. "But what you accused me of was plagiarism, not accepting and restating an idea" You took words from other brilliant people and put them into your own without giving any credit at all to the original source. Now I know your about to turn 90 but in 2009 in any scholarly setting that is plagiarism. Obviously this isn't a scholarly setting but for argument sake and because of your overall disposition I felt it necessary to bring up.
@MrYouHaveNoClue We imbibe ideas from all over. Presenting them in our own words is how we communicate what we think. Unless you attribute every idea you speak to a teacher or a book you've read, by your definition you, too, are a plagiarist. I don't thiknk you are, but you are being ridiculous here. RingofFire22 admitted he was merely trolling. Are you such a child that you have to follow suit?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?
In my opinions of the Bible and of 1 male religions, I have come to the same answers you have; almost word for word, only the experiences are different. People must learn that "When there's fear there can be no love, where there's love there can be no fear." (Lisa Thiel) A god wouldn't need to have petty human emotions. Thanks for your videos!!! Keep them coming!!!
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
You're being trolled old man, welcome to the internet. You make good points but your condescending attitude makes you unbearable to even watch in my opinion. Although I do believe that you have pretty much taken lots of what Christopher Hitchen has said in lots of debates and reworded it to your liking, it doesn't really matter your videos get 1k views which probably are half yours commenting to people who troll youtube for pure enjoyment.
@RingofFire22 Well, let's see. I doubt that my 4000+ subscribers would agree with you. But you have a perfect right to feel condescended to - and to go somewhere else for entertainment. I have read Hitchens, of course. But what you accused me of was plagiarism, not accepting and restating an idea, IF that's what it was. You ARE a troll. You've been fed now, so you can go away.
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I will look for it, and when I find it you'll have to admit your head resembles that of a penis. Then you may go back to your condescending way of making videos and being useless =)
@RingofFire22 I await your "proof" with bated breath. I don't know what you expect from anyone. Ideas about the same subject will sound similar, but everyone expresses them in his own way. So did I. Why are you being such a jerk? Does it make you feel powerful to twit someone older than your father? Can you really believe you are on some kind of truth crusade? You are simply wrong.
@Largo64 You know, if I really were copying someone else's writing without attribution I would have blocked you and removed your insulting messages. As you see, your accusation is still here, and you are free to dig your own pit deeper and deeper until you have to admit there is no such written work.
I don't doubt you will find something you think is similar. But plagiarism is taking other people work whole and claiming it as your own. I have never done that. When I quote, it is with " ".
You're reading word for word from something I have seen somewhere on the internet, I honestly can't remember where...But you are plagiarizing. Old ignorant chode
Insulting others occurs usually in forums when you got nothing intelligent to say against someone's argument. Therefore, it is a pathetic way to hide self-uncapability.
@RingofFire22 I am reading word for word from what I wrote. If you think you heard it someplace else, I can only say that no ideas, including yours, are likely to be entirely original. I expressed what I knew in my own words. If you insist that you saw or heard the identical words elsewhere, produce them. When you can't (and you can't) you will have to admit that you are a liar.
You're reading things that other somewhat intelligent but still close minded atheists have written. Why are you taking claim to these responses? Pathetic.
@RingofFire22 I'm reading what I wrote about what I think. Do you imagine that all your ideas are entirely original? I don't. If you don't like what I have to say, go away. But don't accuse me of plagiarism.
You think you are a open minded person as a bliever? But you think believers of other religions will burn eternally in hell... How can you call us close-minded?
I have to say this is one of your better videos for a few decent reasons. 1. No rammbling 2 Straight to the point and not rude 3 Very clear and understanding way of putting correct logic!
But still there will be the ones in Faith that will be brainwashed for the rest of their lives!!!
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
your a joke lets believe in something that was put together to make money! Its a lie stop referencing the three little pigs! Man even the smartest people can be idiots!
Also, I simply do not get this: if Jesus(=God) teaches christians to be loving, compassionate, turning the other chin, and all that jazz from the cermon on the Mount, why on the other end does he not practise that ideology himself? I mean, if you don't believe, you will burn in hell or be punished and not get into heaven? Hello? Double standards, anyone?
Re death/sacrificing of Jesus: since Jesus, according to the trinity, is God and is not God, but is God (yeah!?), he knew that he would be reunited with himself(!) in "Heaven" anyhow, so by sacrificing himself, he really did no such thing. He knew what would happen. It's utter BS.
So why on earth do christians believe he did such a noble thing when he did not? It's sad really.
@Obasiliasfilosofos Excellent question, especially in view of the fact that Satan, would know that the world he offered Jesus already belonged to Jesus. That is, if you accept ANY of what is written in the ancient tome. Why, in the story, did Jesus not tell Satan that. "Get thee behind me," seems a rather weak response. Why didn't the writer have him say, "Who are you kidding? I already own the world, and the people . . . and YOU!" Now that would have made it a more interesting story.
I prayed for understanding when I read the bible, and sure enough, I understood it! Now does that mean that Elohim answered my prayer? I don't think so because my understanding of the Bible is part of the reason I became an atheist!
When I was in my teens, my mother told me at least a dozen times that denying the holy spirit (non-Christian) is the only unforgivable sin. She included that even rape and murder are forgivable, but denying the Lord is never forgivable.
In her eyes, rape and murder is better than atheism or any other religion. She had said things such as God let The Holocaust happen, God let 9/11 Happen, God let genocide happen, and God was an all-knowing all-loving being. Now that's true brainwashing.
@Saukko31 I have seen a few videos go over, but I have been cut of in mid word at 9:59. There are a few old director accounts that have a much longer limit, and they were grandfathered in when the policy changed. But most of us still get cut off at ten or close to it. It's inconsistent.
Very good video. I've always liked your arguments. I am not ashamed to admit that ive stolen more than one when having my own argument/discussion with my Christian friends.
I love how you give an example of the toddler. It's true, religion teaches you to stumble, and not think for yourself. And when you do stumble, they want to punish you and tell you that you will burn in hell for eternity. Where do these idiotic religious people get their ideas from? from their own nightmares?
Good for you. Friends and family are important, and it's great that you have that support in your life. It's real, and you're not wasting time praying to the air for answers LOL.
from other brainwashed people reading parts of the bible to them that they chose and gave their backwards reasoning for the way god does things from a very early age, repitition etc.
I think the religious believe (or pretend to believe as the case may be, after all, if anyone really believed in hell, would they ever even think of sinning again???) because they tell themselves that their imaginary friend is the source of hope. when they try to imagine a world without god, they think of hopelessness. This would go a long way towards explaining the problem of prayer too. the cognitive dissonance must be enormous!
The fall of sand is not random but determined by force of throw, air resistance, gravity, wind, number of grains etc. incredibly complex but not random.
@Ch35h1r3C47 Random is defined as chance, or haphazard. You are just defining random in terms of what causes the differences. If it were possible for all the grains to fall in an identical pattern one might infer design. If you can imagine two identical tosses of perhaps a million grains of sand, your imagination is far beyond the limits of any earthly reality. It literally can't happen.
constant physical laws determine the outcome of a coin toss or the fall of grains of sand. if the circumstances and all forces were replicated exactly then the same result would occur. similarly if we could calculate the change that one factor causes to the whole system we would be able to predict exactly what the resulting outcome.
obviously we cant and the calculations and considerations would be insanely complex. for all intents and purposes to us the outcome is chance.
You said something about free will. I've been looking for evidence of free will and I have not seen any. If you have any I would love to know. I fully expect that what we perceive as free will is nothing more than cause and effect in the brain. But there are too many bowling balls hitting too many pins for us to see it.
@theoriginalSkooby Free will could be another extended debate. What I mean when I say free will is volition, the act or the power of making a choice. Who controls your every thought and movement if not you? And if your will is not free, how can you be held responsible for anything at all? I mean held responsible by your peers, not some god.
If the world, including our brains, are all explained by cause and effect then the punishment for bad actions would logically be covered by that process. I would like to believe in some sort of free will. I just don't see any avenue for it to be possible. Which is why I often ask if anyone has any evidence for it.
Good video Larry. I also have have difficulties at comprehending why an all powerful god would create such strict and frankly arbitrary rules, and yet at the same time allow another being to tempt humanity into breaking them
... cont... the truth, then a) he is a cunt if he plans to punish anyone who doesn't believe in him without offering any proof of his existence and b)if he is meant to be all loving I doubt he would want us to all kill each other over his name.
I think we're all just energy. Eternally flowing into something new. I don't think there was a 'beginning' of time that we just NEED to find a CAUSE for. I think it's just this eternal bunch of something that we happen to be in and we should all... CONT
You aired lots of my own thoughts on religion here as well as some things I never even thought of.
I'm not an atheist. I was a Christian but believed it important to understand the religion I was tied into. I let it go once I understood it well enough to realise its flaws.
I don't know what I believe anything. I think it's more like Spinoza's 'god'.
If something like the personal 'god' of the Christians is in fact.. CONT
Excellent, would make a great series. As you pointed out, jealousy is hardly a redeeming feature in mortals, but for a god to be jealous of supposedly none existent gods suggests paranoid delusion. As to the 'correct' understanding of the Bible, which of the 1000's of Christian denominations has the 'correct' interpretation?
like deuteronomy 20:10-14 kill all in a town but keep the virgin girls, deut22:28-29 rape is ok if you have some silver with you. or deut 22:23-24 kill the rape victim for not screaming loud enough
or solomons song about boobs. Zachariah 14:1-2 god wants the world to ravish all the women of his chosen ppl
yes god is love the love of rape murder violence and ignorance. I think most ppl even convicts would make better gods than the one of the bible
@TheReptilianAgenda Some convicts certainly. The god of the bible is vicious, brutal, capricious, jealous and petty. He has none of the characteristics of a great human leader and all of the ones of the worst humans. No human despot, no matter how evil can match the flood for pure malice. All but eight people destroyed. And the "righteous" man he chose couldn't wait to get drunk as soon as the materials were available again. So god was not a judge of character either.
in genesis where it said man was created in the image of God, the original sumerian text says GODS....the text has been manipulated over the ages....power hungry institutions...but reptilian agenda do you not think the spirit to be real?
Well then, that certainly makes your sentence read much clearly and me look like a presumptive horses ass. Totally my bad there, sorry :). I'll read previous posts more carefully in the future.
It would be nice to be able to exist without a body. Maybe after its all used up, to be able to travel the universe like disembodied eyes. think of all the mundane and extraordinary adventures one could have here and elsewhere. However all we can guarantee is the here and now. Watch the most recent QualiaSoup video i think he can word it better than i could but it seems not.
We already live in Hell
SmooveHD 4 months ago
Haha classic!
You do have a soothing voice. Not abrasive at all.
2eelShmeal 5 months ago
to me Hell would be living the one true life we know of as a brainwashed, mindless zombie of religion!
squizill 6 months ago
just sent this video to my girlfriend who go's to church every sunday
tiroaaaa 6 months ago
I Love You, I will Pray For You My Brother :-) Remember Brothers and Sisters, You do not need a religion to have God. God is Love, I Love him, and I Love every single one of you as equally :-)
TheNeosdad 7 months ago
I Love You, I will Pray For You My Brother :-)
TheNeosdad 7 months ago
@theparodyworks i myself as a christian can say that its not we christians that believe the world is gonna end in 2012 is the scientists that found that answear and you atheists believe in science dont ya ?
XXXstuppiXXX 8 months ago
The deity of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic (Abrahamic) faith traditions didn't start out alone. The religous course went from polytheism, to henotheism (as Muller uses it), to monotheism (a strict montheism within Judaism and Islam, and a tripartite monotheism w/in trinitarian Christianity). The God of the 10 Commandments was the high deity. Elohim (longuistically related to Allah, both being Semitic), the plural of eloah [god] (or El [God]), describes the other deities.
BishopNo 1 year ago
@BishopNo You're right, of course, but however you describe them they are the imaginings of barbaric, tribal people. There is nothing about them that makes them superior to any other god ever imagined by humans. They are as capricious, spiteful, angry, vengeful, jealous and bloodthirsty as all the others. I have rejected them all.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Some of these same deities are also represented and viewed by their devotees as compassionate, merciful, just, grateful, loving, and good. How can they be these things while being capricious, spiteful, angry, vengeful, jealous and bloodthirsty? Because these attributes find their origin in humankind. The deity is the representation. The projection. And a way to try to find human terms for the very human, and thus complex, experience/perception of the transcendent.
BishopNo 1 year ago
@BishopNo That's very insightful. But because the deity (whatever a particular culture's name for him might be) IS the projection of human virtues AND faults, the idea that it is trancendent is all the worse. If people try to reflect all the characteristics of their god, and their god is just a reflection of them, the result is a like inbreeding. People may still try to emulate the worst characteristics of their god, just as he reflected the worst of theirs.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 I think that Fowler's theory of faith development is worth looking at here. Most people don't seem to mature in their faith development to stage 5 (Conjunctive Faith), where, as Fowler once said in an interview, "we are ready for allegiances beyond our tribal gods and tribal taboos." I would say that the people (who seem to be the majority) criticized by those who comdemn religion as a whole are living in a conformist and adolescent stage of faith development.
BishopNo 1 year ago
@BishopNo I have to balance out what I've just posted by adding that one of the underlying causes of these critiques of religion, as manifested in the Fowler's 3rd stage (Synthetic [i.e. synthesis] Conventional, where God is a "personal reality"), could be that these critics, who are in stage 4 (Individuative/ Reflective), feel embittered with and betrayed by the belief-systems that they have come to find unsatisfactory. Of course, this is theory. I bring it up because I find it relevant.
BishopNo 1 year ago
@BishopNo That's part of our dilemma, one only has to read their so called literal word of god(bible) and it will give one plenty of examples of every emotion and spite and hate etc etc. All exhibited by their god of the bible for one. The bible is the most contradictory book ever written by mankind...so if you need to know how a person can be evil nasty and at the same time angelic in regard....you figure it out,we have, it's easy, THERE IS NO GOD(s)
JstNEarthling 8 months ago
i love the way you're explaining things!
Massakre8492nd 1 year ago
@theparodyworks Thanks! It's nice to see a kind word now and then. FSM knows there's no shortage of unkind ones. ;^)
Largo64 1 year ago
Intelligent, obviously well-thought, and nicely articulated. It amazes me the vitriol and poison generated by the "chosen ones" when someone dares question religion.
Yeah, sign me up for that. Not.
Great job. I enjoy your video takes, but don't understand the pointing to "links" to your right or left... is that on your channel?
Anyways. Interesting. Thought provoking.
dustoff7 1 year ago
@dustoff7 The pointing thing is because the information box used to be to the upper right of the screen. Since I did this YT changed the page format. I always used to point to the box. It just isn't where it used to be!
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 No worries! Thanks for the reply! Keep up the work; truly compelling and quite useful as support for arguments of my own in other media (Facebook, of course).
dustoff7 1 year ago
You may be the most unintelligent person I have ever met. Get an education you are lying and are a bias asshole atheist. Please get an education before posting you bias and dumb videos. You sicken me.
alex21rw 1 year ago
@alex21rw If you disagree with me, suppose you make an argument instead of flinging insults. Your remarks are typical of ignorant people who don't like something but can't say why.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 there are so many but fine i will answer through a video.
alex21rw 1 year ago
SATAN!!!! :P
jamesarongray 1 year ago
@knoketj, picking questions from people who can't articulate their feelings ? First of all, these questions were sent to him. If these people, " whom you call stupid " do not want an answer from an intellectual, perhaps the "stupid " should ask questions to the "stupid ".
@KO3NO, You can indulge in anything your whole life including sin, or follow God. According to God, you may sin, all he cares of is that you accept him, hence the reason im confused as to why he sent his son to die for our sin
strikenetter 1 year ago
God it the reason WHY and Science is HOW
Get out of line and Commissar Fuklaw is there to beat the living sh*t out of anyone
eightball6219 1 year ago
God is the reason WAY and Science is HOW.
Get out of line and Commissar Fuklaw is the PAIN and the POWERBOOT UP YOUR ASS
eightball6219 1 year ago
Its funny how you chose the questions from people not able to articulate their feelings in a scholarly way. An obvious superior intlectual mind would not need to pick on peoples beliefs to gain pleasure, yeah right! LOL You are a work old man, a work in deed. Good luck to you. God is great
knoketj 1 year ago
It's a comfort to listen to rational debate. So glad there is rational debate on a subject matter one usually has to pass in awkward silenced taboo. Keep up the good work Largo64
alieales 1 year ago
The bible clearly states if you choose to turn away you will perish in hell for entirity. You choose to follow christ. Its your own free will, the gift from it is eternal life. God knows everyones path before it happens. People pray for many reasons, he always provides. Jesus was a man he had to suffer agonizing pain for our sins. And he was sacrificed for you. So saying its a fraud is pointless. He went through death. Old testiment were under different law then new testiment.
K03N0 1 year ago
@K03N0 Of course the bible clearly states. The bible says a lot of things that are not true. But you are mistaken when you say you will perish in hell for eternity. If you perish, you are simply dead. That's what the word means. At least get the threat right, hmmm? What you meant was you will dwell in hell for eternity. And as I told this person in the video, fear is just a tool to keep people in line. It's necessary to keep them fearful, so they don't question.
Largo64 1 year ago
cont. As to the "sacrifice," the "plan of salvation," the idea is disgusting. Allowing someone else to suffer and die for whatever wrongs YOU have done is the very type of injustice. The plan is both unjust and immoral. That you would permit another to take responsibility for your sins speaks more to your character than to the "goodness" of the scapegoat.
Largo64 1 year ago
@K03N0 what is "free will" - Pain forever more or Christianity (sounds like my way or the highway ) - that is only 2 choices? As for your Jesus, so he suffered but did he die - in the true sense, to die and not come back zombie like or otherwise? Suffering absolute pain to atchive immortality... I can see a line forming now of eager people.
alieales 1 year ago
you can induldge your whole life do whatever you want. No rules sin all you want. Or you can live your life for god and follow his word. Its your own choice. Follow your own "morals" as athiest tend to say. Shoot someone in the face, hey if you think its right, of course it is! I also know i cant change your mind and your look on life through youtube bickering. IN the end you will make your choice.
K03N0 1 year ago
i'll tell u honestly. i love this life because i can find people like u.
this world is not totally deluded. there is a hope. unite!
continue, man!
sadly, we live in a such stupid deluded world that makes us show to people how stupid they r. but soon a big change will come. now religious stupidity is obvious to many people. unite! spread zeitgeist!
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
If we should worship the Christian god because he can kill us, think about this.
H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu is a horrible butcher. His faithful worshipers will be rewarded by being the first to die. If that's the reward for the faithful, imagine how terrible the non-believers will suffer. I suggest we convert to worshiping the Great Old Ones on the off chance that Lovecraft was a prophet and not just a sci-fi writer.
HolySchtick 1 year ago
@HolySchtick One sci-fi writer prophet is enough!
Duck! It's a flying Thetan!
Largo64 1 year ago
Yeah, but at least Lovecraft was good at it.
Damned Thetans! Knew I shoulda put a rush order on my E-Meter.
HolySchtick 1 year ago
@HolySchtick LOL!
Largo64 1 year ago
God dont wants you to go to hell you are going there because you want to. he can save you if you believe in him. why is that so hard to understant. you say all this things because you wanna keep sinning and sinning and you dont want ti accept the reality
MrLamaravilla25 1 year ago
@MrLamaravilla25
r u awake or sleeping when u write? seems that u lunaticising.
why this mature rational and nice guy has to go to hell? why u thing he wants to go somewhere? why he should to go somewhere?
to which god's hell he will go? buddah's or allah's? or dzeus' or jesus's?
r u crazy? u need help, my dear.
change is coming soon. religion stupidity is obvious to many people now.
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
God dont need us we need him. what an ignorant. God is love if he gave his own son because he loves you dont you get it
MrLamaravilla25 1 year ago
If He gave His own son I don't wanna know what He could do to a stranger!
By the way I love that sentence " God is love if he gave His own son..." really? c'mon, the guy is a lausy father! Wasn't He suppose to be perfect!
itookabath 1 year ago
Thank you very much for another great video! Keep up the good work.
CivilEngTech 1 year ago
i am glad there are actually some decent smart people on youtube. thank you for the great informative video's. keep up the great work.
onegoodspliff666 1 year ago
what i said below goes to murdaman702
WyldeDimeMustaine 2 years ago
prodigyat9, lol, hard to buy into something when you can't see the salesman !
strikenetter 2 years ago
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strikenetter 2 years ago
oh and who are u 2 say what a "GOD" is suppose 2 be like? and sorry 2 burst your bubble but there is historical and scientific evidence that jesus did exsist
murdaman702 2 years ago
@murdaman702 Care to cite it for me, Sparky? If it's Josephus you can forget it. Josephus was a Jew who was born about thirty years after the alleged Jesus' death. The "Testimonium Flavianum," supposedly Josephus' work, was an interpolation by a third century Catholic bishop named Eusebius. Strangely, he was the first to "quote" the Testimonium. So where's your "evidence?"
Largo64 2 years ago
actually instead of just believing everything your told, take time to watch all 3 parts of the "Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold" videos, they are all based on FACTS and even though you will probably be stubborn and not take the time to actually think about it they point out alot of interesting things
WyldeDimeMustaine 2 years ago
u need 2 learn 2 be able 2 tell the difference between fact and propaganda
murdaman702 2 years ago
i need to be able to tell the difference? HAHAHAHA ok i can tell your just gonna be one of those stubborn ridiculous unnegotiable people who wont listen to anything whether its the truth or not so whatever you keep praying to some fuck who will never answer you. its unbelieveable how many questions you could get asked about the existence of god and respond with something other than an answer
WyldeDimeMustaine 2 years ago
true, facts are demonstrated, propaganda is in a book preached by pedophiles.
ziomany 1 year ago
religion is a load of crap but zeitgeist is an even BIGGER load of crap.
when zeitgeist quotes a book from 1800's with no credibility to explain religion... it is not much better than religion itself.
ziomany 1 year ago
there is some things about god we cant explain and things about science we cant explain,...I pray 4 u sir
murdaman702 2 years ago
@murdaman702 Thanks for your prayers, if you mean it. I don't believe in prayer, but if you do I can only say your intentions are good.
Do me a favor, will u? Save the txt riting 4 whn u r really running out of space. Thnx.
Largo64 2 years ago
Jasonthegaiface, our bodies are individually programed but yet in a " set " way for us to act ? So if a person murders, all people are programed to indulge in the same action ? Your theory sounds more like robotics from an industrial mechanical business line rather than human characteristics. Human Nature i presume is the theory you're projecting. Funny though how some can be violent, others adverse !
Human template ? A being primordial and a modern human ? THE SAME ?
strikenetter 2 years ago
I love you and your belief ,jus make sure you dont die an early death with this what i can call anger. Athiest you are, but chill a bit. God that sounds so rubbish but, well i think you know where i am coming from, RELAX. The BOOK and any religion followed by the letter is obviously stupid, we cant even get history and the timeline correct, so why trust a book from whenever ago? yours truly, keith
olderloverxx 2 years ago
Nicely done. I'm really enjoying your videos.
Roseybaby63 2 years ago
That's so funny. I'm still laughing while typing this.
Roseybaby63 2 years ago
Great job, I subscribed. :)
kellieimbored 2 years ago
Nicely done. Keep it coming.
jklarson66 2 years ago
Great video! You make a lot of sense Largo64! Me and my cousin are only atheists in our family and we both enjoyed your video.
Sepia1789 2 years ago
The human body and mind is a complicated series of electricity and chemicals that work in patterns of links sent from the brain to trigger movement/emotion ect, even if we believe we have free will the reality is that we dont, our brains are programmed individually to perform tasks neccesary for our survival, however our bodies are individually programmed they are still programmed in a set way for us to act (a human template).
Jasonthegaiface 2 years ago
I've never read more than a few passages from the bible, way back in sunday school as a kid. However, from the point of view of an educated adult, much of it seems to be batshit crazy. It's almost as though the whole thing was really just made up by some bronze age control freaks in order to scare people into living a certain way. How do the believers justify the nonsense?
rmcdaniel423 2 years ago
For all the insanity you see in the Bible, isn't in strange that atheists are such a small minority?
thebarrock 2 years ago
No doubt atheists are a minority, but I think they are a larger minority than many people think. When people are polled on their beliefs, often doubters are loath to admit it, especially if believing relatives are nearby.
Largo64 2 years ago
I don't know; considering how many religions there are and how many churches I think it is pretty interesting how many people bought into none of the religions.
prodigyat9 2 years ago
I was directed here by KingHeathen under the impression that this video is incredibly astute and well-done; I am not disappointed. Good job! Keep up the good work.
iwearclothes8 2 years ago
extremely well put enjoyed it immensely
5 stars
Matisyourmaster 2 years ago
There are more than 30000 christian denominations, all with different interpretations of the bible, so being christian does NOT help in understanding "god's word".
Cygnus65 2 years ago
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. Clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Leviticus 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
Religious people tend to believe in a deity resembling themselves. Isn't it curious!? A god that is full of hate, retribution, animosity and sadism. Hmm, interesting! An intelligent and almighty entity that for some unknown reasons cares whether I believe in him or not. Only an ignorant/thoughtless person could fear such a notion. . .
armelix73 2 years ago
I enjoyed your views, and opinion. Great video. I find it redundant, that christians seek to prove their points through the scripture of the bible. If one does not believe in the bible and sees those who wrote it to be full of crap for lack of a better term. I cannot take the stories told in the bible as fact for that requires faith, which I lack. I would like to hear you speak about this in some future video.
yeven44 2 years ago
"...only an imaginary god in the image of the believer has any need."
Very interesting thoughts!
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
No, im not RingofFire22, I just saw what he said and completely agree. Sounds exactly like the answers Hitchens gave in his debate with Al Sharpton, with some other exact sentences from countless debates I've seen
MrYouHaveNoClue 2 years ago
@MrYouHaveNoClue I never heard or saw a debate between Richard Dawkins and Al Sharpton. So far I don't know which words you or that other troll are talking about. When I quote someone word for word I use those little marks that look like this (" ") and attribute the words to their author. But similar ideas are not plagiarism. For the last time, quote me the exact words you are talking about. Now you are just being a troll. Plagiarism is a serious charge, and you'd better fucking prove it!
Largo64 2 years ago
@Largo64 Theres a difference in restating something in your own words and taking someones exact words out of context, what don't you understand about that
MrYouHaveNoClue 2 years ago
@MrYouHaveNoClue Is this RingofFire22 in a sock account?Of course there is a difference, but I did not do that. I never consciously stole anything in my life. I'm not stupid. I know thousands of people could be seeing what I say. Suppose you show me the words I'm supposed to have stolen. I've been containing myself pretty well so far, but I'm really getting pissed at this bullshit plagiarism charge! Produce the "exact words" you think I stole or shut the fuck up!
Largo64 2 years ago
hello largo64.
i see you have 4069 subscribers,
and many people love your videos.
Take my advise and sign up for the youtube parner program.
bye for now
AdamOnYourPC 2 years ago
@Largo64,
Perhaps Ringo is just hiding his blatant homosexuality because it's against God. I mean if he's seeing penises (peni?) instead of a human head, he's clearly gay.
bersaba 2 years ago
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
Depends... is she cute?
... what?
bersaba 2 years ago
@Largo64 You don't have any genuine material to present. "But what you accused me of was plagiarism, not accepting and restating an idea" You took words from other brilliant people and put them into your own without giving any credit at all to the original source. Now I know your about to turn 90 but in 2009 in any scholarly setting that is plagiarism. Obviously this isn't a scholarly setting but for argument sake and because of your overall disposition I felt it necessary to bring up.
MrYouHaveNoClue 2 years ago
@MrYouHaveNoClue We imbibe ideas from all over. Presenting them in our own words is how we communicate what we think. Unless you attribute every idea you speak to a teacher or a book you've read, by your definition you, too, are a plagiarist. I don't thiknk you are, but you are being ridiculous here. RingofFire22 admitted he was merely trolling. Are you such a child that you have to follow suit?
Largo64 2 years ago
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
In my opinions of the Bible and of 1 male religions, I have come to the same answers you have; almost word for word, only the experiences are different. People must learn that "When there's fear there can be no love, where there's love there can be no fear." (Lisa Thiel) A god wouldn't need to have petty human emotions. Thanks for your videos!!! Keep them coming!!!
Zylophila 2 years ago
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
You're being trolled old man, welcome to the internet. You make good points but your condescending attitude makes you unbearable to even watch in my opinion. Although I do believe that you have pretty much taken lots of what Christopher Hitchen has said in lots of debates and reworded it to your liking, it doesn't really matter your videos get 1k views which probably are half yours commenting to people who troll youtube for pure enjoyment.
RingofFire22 2 years ago
@RingofFire22 Well, let's see. I doubt that my 4000+ subscribers would agree with you. But you have a perfect right to feel condescended to - and to go somewhere else for entertainment. I have read Hitchens, of course. But what you accused me of was plagiarism, not accepting and restating an idea, IF that's what it was. You ARE a troll. You've been fed now, so you can go away.
And now you ARE blocked. I don't like trolls.
Largo64 2 years ago
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
I will look for it, and when I find it you'll have to admit your head resembles that of a penis. Then you may go back to your condescending way of making videos and being useless =)
RingofFire22 2 years ago
@RingofFire22 So... if you don't find it... do you have to admit that you ARE a penis?
PaulTheHeritic 2 years ago
@RingofFire22 I await your "proof" with bated breath. I don't know what you expect from anyone. Ideas about the same subject will sound similar, but everyone expresses them in his own way. So did I. Why are you being such a jerk? Does it make you feel powerful to twit someone older than your father? Can you really believe you are on some kind of truth crusade? You are simply wrong.
Largo64 2 years ago
@Largo64 You know, if I really were copying someone else's writing without attribution I would have blocked you and removed your insulting messages. As you see, your accusation is still here, and you are free to dig your own pit deeper and deeper until you have to admit there is no such written work.
I don't doubt you will find something you think is similar. But plagiarism is taking other people work whole and claiming it as your own. I have never done that. When I quote, it is with " ".
Largo64 2 years ago
You're reading word for word from something I have seen somewhere on the internet, I honestly can't remember where...But you are plagiarizing. Old ignorant chode
RingofFire22 2 years ago
Insulting others occurs usually in forums when you got nothing intelligent to say against someone's argument. Therefore, it is a pathetic way to hide self-uncapability.
TheBlindPowerslave 2 years ago
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
@RingofFire22 I am reading word for word from what I wrote. If you think you heard it someplace else, I can only say that no ideas, including yours, are likely to be entirely original. I expressed what I knew in my own words. If you insist that you saw or heard the identical words elsewhere, produce them. When you can't (and you can't) you will have to admit that you are a liar.
Largo64 2 years ago
You're reading things that other somewhat intelligent but still close minded atheists have written. Why are you taking claim to these responses? Pathetic.
RingofFire22 2 years ago
@RingofFire22 I'm reading what I wrote about what I think. Do you imagine that all your ideas are entirely original? I don't. If you don't like what I have to say, go away. But don't accuse me of plagiarism.
Largo64 2 years ago
You think you are a open minded person as a bliever? But you think believers of other religions will burn eternally in hell... How can you call us close-minded?
TheBlindPowerslave 2 years ago
Larry your awesome. keep it up.
AirThief 2 years ago
Good stuff
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
THIS video is one of the prime examples as to why I subscribed to you Larry...
savrasbane 2 years ago
Largo, this is easily one of your best videos. I had a blast watching it!
Degratos 2 years ago
one of your best videos in a long time (and that's saying a lot!)
Do me a favor...send this video to me in a PM with the title "Awards" so that I will not forget it when covering this month's nominees.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
Bravo Larry!
BethRN74 2 years ago
Thank you Larry Logic has never been my strong suit so I truly appreciate it in others.
Ender1zero1 2 years ago
I have to say this is one of your better videos for a few decent reasons. 1. No rammbling 2 Straight to the point and not rude 3 Very clear and understanding way of putting correct logic!
But still there will be the ones in Faith that will be brainwashed for the rest of their lives!!!
mickeyfysg1 2 years ago
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
your a joke lets believe in something that was put together to make money! Its a lie stop referencing the three little pigs! Man even the smartest people can be idiots!
mickeyfysg1 2 years ago
I love the fingerprint question. He would be making the exact same argument if all fingerprints were identical.
intelligentfalling 2 years ago
Very few christians seem to understand the obvious flaws in their religion. Great video.
Ilikejpgs 2 years ago
Good job!
Iconoclast444 2 years ago
Also, I simply do not get this: if Jesus(=God) teaches christians to be loving, compassionate, turning the other chin, and all that jazz from the cermon on the Mount, why on the other end does he not practise that ideology himself? I mean, if you don't believe, you will burn in hell or be punished and not get into heaven? Hello? Double standards, anyone?
sp00x 2 years ago
Re death/sacrificing of Jesus: since Jesus, according to the trinity, is God and is not God, but is God (yeah!?), he knew that he would be reunited with himself(!) in "Heaven" anyhow, so by sacrificing himself, he really did no such thing. He knew what would happen. It's utter BS.
So why on earth do christians believe he did such a noble thing when he did not? It's sad really.
sp00x 2 years ago
As usual, clear, concise and compelling.
daleshankins 2 years ago
Great Vid! Hope you don't mind but I might to use some of your analogies in my next debate with a christian!
wade46732 2 years ago
@wade46732 Be my guest.
Largo64 2 years ago
Luke 4:6
Why did Satan try to tempt Jesus into worshiping him? if infact Jesus was god what sense would there be in that?
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos Excellent question, especially in view of the fact that Satan, would know that the world he offered Jesus already belonged to Jesus. That is, if you accept ANY of what is written in the ancient tome. Why, in the story, did Jesus not tell Satan that. "Get thee behind me," seems a rather weak response. Why didn't the writer have him say, "Who are you kidding? I already own the world, and the people . . . and YOU!" Now that would have made it a more interesting story.
Largo64 2 years ago
I prayed for understanding when I read the bible, and sure enough, I understood it! Now does that mean that Elohim answered my prayer? I don't think so because my understanding of the Bible is part of the reason I became an atheist!
Great vid! 5/5*****
0pnMnded 2 years ago
When I was in my teens, my mother told me at least a dozen times that denying the holy spirit (non-Christian) is the only unforgivable sin. She included that even rape and murder are forgivable, but denying the Lord is never forgivable.
In her eyes, rape and murder is better than atheism or any other religion. She had said things such as God let The Holocaust happen, God let 9/11 Happen, God let genocide happen, and God was an all-knowing all-loving being. Now that's true brainwashing.
eviltube1111 2 years ago
Very well said and I agree 100%.
hippierave 2 years ago
Hah, I enjoyed the schoolyard bully reference.
FilmsFF 2 years ago
Great response, five stars.
PS. I think the "10 minute" limit, is in fact 10 minute 59 second limit.
Saukko31 2 years ago
@Saukko31 I have seen a few videos go over, but I have been cut of in mid word at 9:59. There are a few old director accounts that have a much longer limit, and they were grandfathered in when the policy changed. But most of us still get cut off at ten or close to it. It's inconsistent.
Largo64 2 years ago
Ah, OK.
Saukko31 2 years ago
Very good video. I've always liked your arguments. I am not ashamed to admit that ive stolen more than one when having my own argument/discussion with my Christian friends.
Keep up the good work, Largo.
Greatsky 2 years ago
Very well put. I've had many the same responses to people over the years.
bowlingballout 2 years ago
Good solid reasoning, as ever, Larry!
RobNorthampton 2 years ago
I love how you give an example of the toddler. It's true, religion teaches you to stumble, and not think for yourself. And when you do stumble, they want to punish you and tell you that you will burn in hell for eternity. Where do these idiotic religious people get their ideas from? from their own nightmares?
laoi 2 years ago
Good comment. I'm scared every day but don't turn to "God" or gods I turn to me and my wife and freinds!
flyingfisbeefilms 2 years ago
Good for you. Friends and family are important, and it's great that you have that support in your life. It's real, and you're not wasting time praying to the air for answers LOL.
laoi 2 years ago
from other brainwashed people reading parts of the bible to them that they chose and gave their backwards reasoning for the way god does things from a very early age, repitition etc.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Everything you say make enormous sense, yet you know they (theists) have none...
Happy Chrismahannahkwaanzaka! ;)
ShortbusMooner 2 years ago
Great video i agree
TheLittlecrunch 2 years ago
I think the religious believe (or pretend to believe as the case may be, after all, if anyone really believed in hell, would they ever even think of sinning again???) because they tell themselves that their imaginary friend is the source of hope. when they try to imagine a world without god, they think of hopelessness. This would go a long way towards explaining the problem of prayer too. the cognitive dissonance must be enormous!
jambimon 2 years ago
The fall of sand is not random but determined by force of throw, air resistance, gravity, wind, number of grains etc. incredibly complex but not random.
Ch35h1r3C47 2 years ago
yeah, random doesn't exist in our universe, random would be if the moon just suddenly flew off with no cause
hildegain 2 years ago
@Ch35h1r3C47 Random is defined as chance, or haphazard. You are just defining random in terms of what causes the differences. If it were possible for all the grains to fall in an identical pattern one might infer design. If you can imagine two identical tosses of perhaps a million grains of sand, your imagination is far beyond the limits of any earthly reality. It literally can't happen.
Largo64 2 years ago
constant physical laws determine the outcome of a coin toss or the fall of grains of sand. if the circumstances and all forces were replicated exactly then the same result would occur. similarly if we could calculate the change that one factor causes to the whole system we would be able to predict exactly what the resulting outcome.
obviously we cant and the calculations and considerations would be insanely complex. for all intents and purposes to us the outcome is chance.
Ch35h1r3C47 2 years ago
You said something about free will. I've been looking for evidence of free will and I have not seen any. If you have any I would love to know. I fully expect that what we perceive as free will is nothing more than cause and effect in the brain. But there are too many bowling balls hitting too many pins for us to see it.
theoriginalSkooby 2 years ago
@theoriginalSkooby Free will could be another extended debate. What I mean when I say free will is volition, the act or the power of making a choice. Who controls your every thought and movement if not you? And if your will is not free, how can you be held responsible for anything at all? I mean held responsible by your peers, not some god.
Largo64 2 years ago
If the world, including our brains, are all explained by cause and effect then the punishment for bad actions would logically be covered by that process. I would like to believe in some sort of free will. I just don't see any avenue for it to be possible. Which is why I often ask if anyone has any evidence for it.
theoriginalSkooby 2 years ago
Well done, Larry!
ToddAllenGates 2 years ago
Good video Larry. I also have have difficulties at comprehending why an all powerful god would create such strict and frankly arbitrary rules, and yet at the same time allow another being to tempt humanity into breaking them
qanazir 2 years ago
...cont... just respect each other, 'cause we're all the same thing.
Sorry it was such a long comment. I get excited talking about religion. Maybe I'll make a video of my own.
peebzzz 2 years ago
I hate the 500 character limit, too. But if your unlimited PMs are anything like the ones I sometimes receive they can go pages.
;^)
Largo64 2 years ago
... cont... the truth, then a) he is a cunt if he plans to punish anyone who doesn't believe in him without offering any proof of his existence and b)if he is meant to be all loving I doubt he would want us to all kill each other over his name.
I think we're all just energy. Eternally flowing into something new. I don't think there was a 'beginning' of time that we just NEED to find a CAUSE for. I think it's just this eternal bunch of something that we happen to be in and we should all... CONT
peebzzz 2 years ago
That last comment was preemptive.
Largo, this video is fantastic.
You aired lots of my own thoughts on religion here as well as some things I never even thought of.
I'm not an atheist. I was a Christian but believed it important to understand the religion I was tied into. I let it go once I understood it well enough to realise its flaws.
I don't know what I believe anything. I think it's more like Spinoza's 'god'.
If something like the personal 'god' of the Christians is in fact.. CONT
peebzzz 2 years ago
** Delete the word "anything"
damn typos lol
peebzzz 2 years ago
The stumbling toddler analogy was brilliant!!
peebzzz 2 years ago
Note: the limit is 10:59
GMLSX 2 years ago
I'm trying to understand the logic of the christian that made the "fingerprints are different! Isn't that design?!" question...
Really, WTF?!
Chaos511 2 years ago
Way to go Larry! You used common sense to refute these retards!
cerritoboy 2 years ago
Excellent, would make a great series. As you pointed out, jealousy is hardly a redeeming feature in mortals, but for a god to be jealous of supposedly none existent gods suggests paranoid delusion. As to the 'correct' understanding of the Bible, which of the 1000's of Christian denominations has the 'correct' interpretation?
shoyhoy 2 years ago
Larry, (also the names of my father and brother) please do more Q&A videos. Your analogies are awesome.
tonemenolc 2 years ago
like deuteronomy 20:10-14 kill all in a town but keep the virgin girls, deut22:28-29 rape is ok if you have some silver with you. or deut 22:23-24 kill the rape victim for not screaming loud enough
or solomons song about boobs. Zachariah 14:1-2 god wants the world to ravish all the women of his chosen ppl
yes god is love the love of rape murder violence and ignorance. I think most ppl even convicts would make better gods than the one of the bible
TheReptilianAgenda 2 years ago
@TheReptilianAgenda Some convicts certainly. The god of the bible is vicious, brutal, capricious, jealous and petty. He has none of the characteristics of a great human leader and all of the ones of the worst humans. No human despot, no matter how evil can match the flood for pure malice. All but eight people destroyed. And the "righteous" man he chose couldn't wait to get drunk as soon as the materials were available again. So god was not a judge of character either.
Largo64 2 years ago
"solomans song about boobs..."
The bible's getting pretty tempting round about now :P
godlessmessiah 2 years ago
in genesis where it said man was created in the image of God, the original sumerian text says GODS....the text has been manipulated over the ages....power hungry institutions...but reptilian agenda do you not think the spirit to be real?
work4thewicked 2 years ago
"Reptilian agenda"? Rofl.
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
that's the guys user name
work4thewicked 2 years ago
Well then, that certainly makes your sentence read much clearly and me look like a presumptive horses ass. Totally my bad there, sorry :). I'll read previous posts more carefully in the future.
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
It would be nice to be able to exist without a body. Maybe after its all used up, to be able to travel the universe like disembodied eyes. think of all the mundane and extraordinary adventures one could have here and elsewhere. However all we can guarantee is the here and now. Watch the most recent QualiaSoup video i think he can word it better than i could but it seems not.
TheReptilianAgenda 2 years ago
i love these videos, larry. thanks for uploading :)
papercutDecapitation 2 years ago
Freedom doesn't come from fear... fear damages freewill...
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
One more to favorites!
Cuythulu 2 years ago
I loved your commentary on jealousy ;) Excellent all around.
tattooskin72 2 years ago
Hm. Some bible scholar once said that fundamentalists don't like the bible they have. The same propably goes for their god.
Wulfshade 2 years ago
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no more religious people.
- Gregory House (TV show)
I am beginning to believe this each day I speak with my family...
and their reasoning issues tent to leak into other areas of reasoning too.
bulbinking 2 years ago
great points. spec. on the freewil thing.
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