The Salamander's Tale

[mmmmmarcus]

Another similar species found in the same regions is also an example of real-time evolution. Batrachoseps salamanders, also called slender salamanders, are also quite diverse. One species is trapped in the inyo mountains, and isolated, and might be extinct in ten years or so. macro and micro evolution are both the same thing.

[msituagmail]

I love this Video. Thank you!

[nak807]

For those of you who say members of the same species can become different but not become a new species have the burden of proof to show what mechanism prevents speciation.

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

Indeed!! Well said.

[athywren]

God is running around with paddles, bashing any creatures who show any interest in becoming a new species on the head so that they fall back in line and give up on their dreams of speciation.

I mean, duh?

[fight4th3truth]

just another point to me that evolution is right.

how much more evidence do people need.

[sandhedssoeger]

great video

[jesseakers]

"prove" wide ranging theories based on evidence that may appear to be pointing us in one direction must be taken with a grain of salt atall times and as a society we must be careful to acceptthe ideology and philosophy of the most "modern science"we used to determine a potentiality for criminality based on things like lumps in the skull ofa possible perp.(this was science) we also saw the results of modern science from the prison camps of germany to the population planning of the U.N today...

[robokill387]

"we used to determine a potentiality for criminality based on things like lumps in the skull ofa possible perp.(this was science)" no it wasn't.

"we also saw the results of modern science from the prison camps of germany" no it wasn't. it was a religious and political agenda which used distorted science to justify itself.

[jesseakers]

great examples of micro-evolution....

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

Don't pretend that didn't make you pause for thought...

Try looking at the world without bias...?

[jesseakers]

it was a very long explanation of micro evolution that made me pause to watch it for 8 minutes- just like the circular cycle of the finches on Galapagos, just like the circular change of bacteria that becomes resistant to anti-bodies... again all great examples of micro evolution--

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

I take it from the fact you insist on using the word "micro" you don't accept "macro"...?

I prefer to call "Evolution", Evolution...

If Im wrong about you I apologise but if not could I ask if you think there are (or are not) any transitional fossils...?

Just wondering...?

[jesseakers]

Macro-evolution... not falsifiable with our current understanding... unfortunatly for every "transitional" there are 10 "living" fossils that have managed to stay the same for millions of years, and they are not super-species- they are normally rare fish and bugs and other small organisms... I have not seen macro- and I dont have enough evidence to support much faith in it... and no my "religon" could accept it being either way... are you mad that some others dont believe like you do?

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

I'm not mad/angry at all... I'm just interested and confused you don't see (macro, I hate that word) Evolution as obvious. The fact that creatures change over time and become incapable of interbreeding and then their offspring do the same, split off into enclosed groups and continue in this way and so on (obviously) logically leads to changes that are so massive that to a Human categoriser we might say one animal is of a different type to another...

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

Even without the evidence "that there is" it just seems so very likely anyway...

Would you like to propose a better idea given you don't seem to like mankind's currently most excepted one...?

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

That last question sounded pompous and it wasn't meant to... I'm genuinely interested that if you don't think evolution is responsible for the diversity of life on this planet what you might think is...

[jesseakers]

I m not completely oppossed to it, however I was shocked to hear what had been presented to me in high school as evidence of macro- was finches, antibody-resistant bacteria, and things such as this Salamanders tale. Things def. do change and I find it fascinating that in at least the shorter-long term they stay the same...proving Evolution over millions of years will just have the same status as proving God exists, you cant disprove it (at least unless you have millions of years to work with...)

[jesseakers]

I think the reason most people do deny evolution is because of its naturalistic and philosophically materialistic overtones of which it is meant to convey... however I was a completley devout theistic evolutionist until I progressed past a high school education on the subject... and I still retain it as a possibility (I and many others religon does not necc. opposed to evolution) but I find the I.D. arguements as logically sound and in some cases even more compelling than Darwinian Evolution...

[jesseakers]

and then we get into subjects that surpass biology (or intertwine with it) such as cosmology and quantum mechanics) and we also look at the history of science and as good as it is we must acknowledge that even our science has been dead wrong more often than not, while good ideas and theories have built up each other we forget how much we've eliminated from the field that used to be taken seriously... so I approach even our best science with an amount of skepticality because we attempt to ....

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

I.D. solves nothing man... It simply replaces a problem with another one that has the same problem and then doesn't bother to apply itself to that one... Completely useless...

[jesseakers]

if you like to use the caricature of I.D. which says that "everything is so complex God must have created it" you would be right... however that is not what rational I.D. attempts to explain- it does try to explain the origin of information, the origin of the material and make-up of the most minute pieces of life (DNA and below) and if macro-evolution is to gain a all-encompassing argument it will prob. come from advances in the I.D. department (i.e origins of information and that "junk" of life

[RodHullIOnceWasHim]

Would you please message me a link to where this definition of I.D. is stated as I've not ever heard anything like that from it's proponents (including Behe)...? They also would never say God either...

[robokill387]

"its naturalistic and philosophically materialistic overtones"

such as? besides, that doesn't mean anything. what is truthful and what is pleasant are not always the same thing.

[robokill387]

macro evolution is evolution from one species to another, i.e what has been demonstrated. proposing that this can't lead to much larger changes over time is like saying that you beleive in millimetres but not kilometres.

[jesseakers]

yes, thats exactly what its like....

[Rockster969]

Well put robokill,i'll remember that

[Onithyr]

This is an excellent video I had the one from your old account favorited (and will favorite this one as well). Any idea why your account was suspended? Can I assume creationist flaggers?