Just so everyone here knows this... the basic rule for how much hho is needed to run an engine is about 1/2 - 3/4 of a ltr/min MINIMUM... if you tryed running an engine anywere close to %100 displacment, the engine would become an aluminum gernade... not a pretty thought... remember, fuel type has been changed from combustable to EXPLOSIVE, internal pressures become much higher with this fuel type. it dosent take much of this stuff to get a comparable force as it does gasoline, PLEASE BE SAFE
as far as geting the hho gas into the engine, you would have to re think your intake all together, what I was thinking was somthing like a nitrous fogger system or even a propane carb... somthing like that thats designed to deal with gases and not liquids. another problem your going to have is "waste spark" on 4 stroke engines, a spark is created on the exhaust stroke because your points are going to connect every crank revolution... your engine requires much more moding to get what your after
there 1 problem with this consept... hydrogen and oxygen mix dosent need "air" from the outside enviroment... its already in explosive form, if you did get your bike to run like that, it would run out or control... you would have to control the ignition timing to keep rpm from climbing
The electrolicizer is converting the H2O into your HHO gas as I understand it. Putting a "throttle" on the back side of the electrolicizer would only push the gases out of the unit if the ambient air pressure exceeds the pressure of the HHO... right?
I imagine that HHO is lighter than air so it's always going to try and float away so sealing up the HHO line into the carb when there's no vacuum would be paramount in my eyes.
I think your main issue is not producing enough HHO gas.
continued... You've measured 10 psi in a minute/minute and a half right? I can't imagine that'd be enough to maintain idle on a 750cc bike. At WOT that's 750L/minute at only 1000rpm (assuming 100% volumetric efficiency). I don't know how many L/min your electrolicizer can do based off your 10psi/min rate.
It'd be more economical to experiment with a smaller displacement engine. That 250 was nice but something even smaller might be in order, like a model airplane or leaf blower engine.
do you know what a engine Valve does? it makes it so the engine CAN draw that gas into the chamber. you drill a hole, and you have no valve to stop the gas, no compression will occure. DAAAA.
IM a machinest. Please don't drill any holes in your heads. Just run you a line up to your intake valves and inject your hho there. If your production of hho is up to pare it will run. But you will need several liters per minute. you better use a bubler also. 14 liters a minute should be a good start.
Hey m8. Just posted 2 another video of yours and it looks like your thought process was heading the way I suggested anyway lol. How is the fuel currently fed into your bike? Excuse my ignorance... Does it have injectors or is the fuel pre mixed with the air?
Hi galaxyngc, I have been watching your videos and I wish you luck on getting your motorbike to run on hydrogen, (I once had that same bike). I have just joined youtube and uploaded my first test video (Hydrogen at home #1). I am looking forward to creating my own hydrogen systems and will let you know if I come across anything interesting. Keep up the good work.
I thought that at first but it is very strange how it works. In my videos 45-47 the motor wanted to start. Which I thought maybe it doesn't impload in the engine. Then I had the cell impload. I asked an Appiled Research Engineer about what happen in the cell. He said, "Because the hho was under pressure," that this might have cause it.
I searched online and finally found one guys response about the water getting nasty, He simply said "Using Distilled water, increase the PH to 14 with baking Soda then lower the PH to 4 or lower with Vinegar." I honostly dont know the magic in this but it is tested and proven. I just want other experimenters to know this so they can leap over the first big obstacle without the problems I had at first. Let me know your results.
I noticed you are having trouble with your water getting nasty and that will lead to overheating after running for a couple hours. I have been using a booster on my car for several weeks and I have found a great way to keep the water really clear, and it puts off HHO alot better than tap water. ""Using distilled water, add Baking Soda till you reach a PH level of 14. Then, add Vinegar till the PH level drops to 4 or lower.""
I promise the water will stay clear alot longer and increase HHO output. This process increases the electrolyte in the water so your plates will get more contact than with tap water but one you start using this technique you can adjust your plates accordingly. You should still be able to get an honost test with your setup but it will draw more amps till you move the plates further apart. Share the results when you try it.
read your comment, question why do you bring the ph level to 14 then down to 4 with vinegar?. Why don't you just add baking soda until it reaches 4 then quit. Ineresting that you have achieved results of slowing plate corrosion. Interested in your system set up.
My original setup looked like a Joe Cell with 7 SS pipes each about 6 inches long, and consecutively smaller to the center. The largest was about 5 inches dia. and the smallest about 1/2 inch. I had alot of problems with the water getting nasty and gel stuff floaing in it which caused alot of heat and slowed the HHO output....
She runs great! Smells like french fries but it works. I know the HH0 runs hotter but I plan to use slick50 to coat the walls of the piston chamber. If there is a bike that can handle the abuse its this Yamaha.
Well Ed, I don't know if stick 50 is of a different composition now or not but I found Duralube works better. As the slick 50 I used in a motor 4 stroke the slick 50 made it sticky and made all the contamination stick to the inside of the block. But when I put any kinda superlube like that in a motorcycle it made the clutch slip as the clutch pack shares the same oil as engine and transmission.
This is a comment the oil mix. I am not going to stop the oil mix in the engine. I am, however, getting rid of the carbs. The oil is going to be set up differently. Currently I am running the bike on corn oil alone. Mazola to be exact. The bike has been running like this for about a week.
Ed, you are making it way to hard as the carb has been
designed for your engine and won't take to much variation. As it effects so many parameters as to how you engine performs that we don't have enough room here to go into it.
Well I made another comment but I guess youtube said two was enough for now. Just click on my mrcarjb to go to my profile and get my email add and send me an email and I'll run it all down again.
I'm not trying to critise you but man you sure are trying to make it more complicated than it needs to be
Just run your output hose from the electrolyser and connect it in front of the intake side of the carburetor that way you won't have to deal with any high pressure of compression and the HHO gas has a place to bleed off safely into the air filter air box
Just so everyone here knows this... the basic rule for how much hho is needed to run an engine is about 1/2 - 3/4 of a ltr/min MINIMUM... if you tryed running an engine anywere close to %100 displacment, the engine would become an aluminum gernade... not a pretty thought... remember, fuel type has been changed from combustable to EXPLOSIVE, internal pressures become much higher with this fuel type. it dosent take much of this stuff to get a comparable force as it does gasoline, PLEASE BE SAFE
bill71183 2 years ago
as far as geting the hho gas into the engine, you would have to re think your intake all together, what I was thinking was somthing like a nitrous fogger system or even a propane carb... somthing like that thats designed to deal with gases and not liquids. another problem your going to have is "waste spark" on 4 stroke engines, a spark is created on the exhaust stroke because your points are going to connect every crank revolution... your engine requires much more moding to get what your after
bill71183 2 years ago
there 1 problem with this consept... hydrogen and oxygen mix dosent need "air" from the outside enviroment... its already in explosive form, if you did get your bike to run like that, it would run out or control... you would have to control the ignition timing to keep rpm from climbing
bill71183 2 years ago
hho gas sucks when it comes to ca-berated engines u need to go fuel injected
lancertelstar 2 years ago
The electrolicizer is converting the H2O into your HHO gas as I understand it. Putting a "throttle" on the back side of the electrolicizer would only push the gases out of the unit if the ambient air pressure exceeds the pressure of the HHO... right?
I imagine that HHO is lighter than air so it's always going to try and float away so sealing up the HHO line into the carb when there's no vacuum would be paramount in my eyes.
I think your main issue is not producing enough HHO gas.
ssstealth 3 years ago
continued... You've measured 10 psi in a minute/minute and a half right? I can't imagine that'd be enough to maintain idle on a 750cc bike. At WOT that's 750L/minute at only 1000rpm (assuming 100% volumetric efficiency). I don't know how many L/min your electrolicizer can do based off your 10psi/min rate.
It'd be more economical to experiment with a smaller displacement engine. That 250 was nice but something even smaller might be in order, like a model airplane or leaf blower engine.
ssstealth 3 years ago
P.S. KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!
ssstealth 3 years ago
do you know what a engine Valve does? it makes it so the engine CAN draw that gas into the chamber. you drill a hole, and you have no valve to stop the gas, no compression will occure. DAAAA.
danratsnapnames 3 years ago
IM a machinest. Please don't drill any holes in your heads. Just run you a line up to your intake valves and inject your hho there. If your production of hho is up to pare it will run. But you will need several liters per minute. you better use a bubler also. 14 liters a minute should be a good start.
Yomanx24 3 years ago
keep up the good work, bro.
will from freedom
top2222 4 years ago
Hey m8. Just posted 2 another video of yours and it looks like your thought process was heading the way I suggested anyway lol. How is the fuel currently fed into your bike? Excuse my ignorance... Does it have injectors or is the fuel pre mixed with the air?
BackwardTechnologies 4 years ago
Hi galaxyngc, I have been watching your videos and I wish you luck on getting your motorbike to run on hydrogen, (I once had that same bike). I have just joined youtube and uploaded my first test video (Hydrogen at home #1). I am looking forward to creating my own hydrogen systems and will let you know if I come across anything interesting. Keep up the good work.
markj30 4 years ago
???? if the gas is Implosive muss not the piston be at
lower level when the spakplug is fireing ???? so it the piston might go up because vacuum (sorry for my english)
12125510 4 years ago
I thought that at first but it is very strange how it works. In my videos 45-47 the motor wanted to start. Which I thought maybe it doesn't impload in the engine. Then I had the cell impload. I asked an Appiled Research Engineer about what happen in the cell. He said, "Because the hho was under pressure," that this might have cause it.
galaxyngc4725 4 years ago
Good video!! At lease you doing something. Don't worry about the people writting BS. Good luck with your project.!!!
Sebastian402 4 years ago
I searched online and finally found one guys response about the water getting nasty, He simply said "Using Distilled water, increase the PH to 14 with baking Soda then lower the PH to 4 or lower with Vinegar." I honostly dont know the magic in this but it is tested and proven. I just want other experimenters to know this so they can leap over the first big obstacle without the problems I had at first. Let me know your results.
aarongriffin81 4 years ago
I noticed you are having trouble with your water getting nasty and that will lead to overheating after running for a couple hours. I have been using a booster on my car for several weeks and I have found a great way to keep the water really clear, and it puts off HHO alot better than tap water. ""Using distilled water, add Baking Soda till you reach a PH level of 14. Then, add Vinegar till the PH level drops to 4 or lower.""
aarongriffin81 4 years ago
I promise the water will stay clear alot longer and increase HHO output. This process increases the electrolyte in the water so your plates will get more contact than with tap water but one you start using this technique you can adjust your plates accordingly. You should still be able to get an honost test with your setup but it will draw more amps till you move the plates further apart. Share the results when you try it.
aarongriffin81 4 years ago
read your comment, question why do you bring the ph level to 14 then down to 4 with vinegar?. Why don't you just add baking soda until it reaches 4 then quit. Ineresting that you have achieved results of slowing plate corrosion. Interested in your system set up.
hydrogenassist 4 years ago
My original setup looked like a Joe Cell with 7 SS pipes each about 6 inches long, and consecutively smaller to the center. The largest was about 5 inches dia. and the smallest about 1/2 inch. I had alot of problems with the water getting nasty and gel stuff floaing in it which caused alot of heat and slowed the HHO output....
aarongriffin81 4 years ago
She runs great! Smells like french fries but it works. I know the HH0 runs hotter but I plan to use slick50 to coat the walls of the piston chamber. If there is a bike that can handle the abuse its this Yamaha.
galaxyngc4725 4 years ago
Well Ed, I don't know if stick 50 is of a different composition now or not but I found Duralube works better. As the slick 50 I used in a motor 4 stroke the slick 50 made it sticky and made all the contamination stick to the inside of the block. But when I put any kinda superlube like that in a motorcycle it made the clutch slip as the clutch pack shares the same oil as engine and transmission.
MrCarbJB 4 years ago
This is a comment the oil mix. I am not going to stop the oil mix in the engine. I am, however, getting rid of the carbs. The oil is going to be set up differently. Currently I am running the bike on corn oil alone. Mazola to be exact. The bike has been running like this for about a week.
galaxyngc4725 4 years ago
Ed, you are making it way to hard as the carb has been
designed for your engine and won't take to much variation. As it effects so many parameters as to how you engine performs that we don't have enough room here to go into it.
MrCarbJB 4 years ago
Well I made another comment but I guess youtube said two was enough for now. Just click on my mrcarjb to go to my profile and get my email add and send me an email and I'll run it all down again.
MrCarbJB 4 years ago
Also if you have to revert back to gasoline because of bad water...lol, you'll be able to without having to go thru a whole lot of changes.
MrCarbJB 4 years ago
I'm not trying to critise you but man you sure are trying to make it more complicated than it needs to be
Just run your output hose from the electrolyser and connect it in front of the intake side of the carburetor that way you won't have to deal with any high pressure of compression and the HHO gas has a place to bleed off safely into the air filter air box
MrCarbJB 4 years ago