hmf that samurai armor looks kind of cheap for some reason, i guess it doesnt need to be battle ready these days but i dunno lol.... it looks a bit suspect
Sorry, I just realized I answered on my wifes account. LOL. If you wish to be samurai, then you must first understand that soldier is the lower of the two. Being that you are U.S. Army, perfect being a soldier, then move on to being a warrior.
In our western culture, I beleive it is impossible to be both soldier and samurai. A samurai is a warrior, trained to operate independent of the whole (if necessary) using only his spiritual training. A soldier is only a follower of orders. I am a U.S. Marine, survived a tour in the middle east, but I was a soldier. I did things that I now realize violated my personal sense of honor, something a warrior never would have done. I was following orders.
Sorry, I just realized I answered on my wifes account. LOL. If you wish to be samurai, then you must first understand that soldier is the lower of the two. Being that you are U.S. Army, perfect being a soldier, then move on to being a warrior.
Sorry, I just realized I answered on my wifes account. LOL. If you wish to be samurai, then you must first understand that soldier is the lower of the two. Being that you are U.S. Army, perfect being a soldier, then move on to being a warrior.
@SilverGunZoO I must say, if I ever happen to live through a war where my country is attacked, I'd prefer a Yumi bow and a Katana or Naginata. I don't want to risk a doctor being able to fix the guy I shot. I could shoot him multiple times, yes. But believe me, you would probably feel much more "satisfied" if you can withstand technology with skill and patience. And a blade.
@SilverGunZoO I'm 18. But anyways, what makes you think that I am 15? I cannot buy firearms here in Germany. So I'd probably get myself a Compound bow. And since a bow sucks ass in Hand to hand combat, I'd bring a sword.
@Davetts92 You don't get it do you, when someone IN REAL LIFE will shot a ak47 towards ur sorry ass, you will shit ur pants with your stupid bow and knife, THIS IS REAL LIFE WAKE UP
@SilverGunZoO This is an art used to meditate and see life on a mystical manner, until you come up with a Zen school for ak47 training, you wont get the allure of a jap sword :) if you start your ak46 academy let me know, all right?. :D
This school has nothing to do with Zen Buddhism, it is related to a Tantric Buddhism school of Shingon and the Shugendo practices.
But yes Martial arts is not just about being martial - but also about being an art - development not just of ability to kill but the development of one's body and spirit and understanding that violence is not necessary to win a battle. In the end - the only enemy you need to defeat - is yourself.
Martial arts no matter what they are named are all based on observing the reoccurring facts to predict events which IS SCIENCE Buy a shinai not a boken, boken can kill you easier then a baseball bat. Shinai are bamboo and split into four and rarely break fingers beyond natural repair even in full swing from a strong man. get your friends to buy one each, go out to a park or school yard and have battles and observe the reoccurring facts. This training is way better then fighting imaginary enemies
That is because that if you see guys fight in mma and stuff they do the sport types of karate, jiujutsu and others. The Shaolin stuff you see in demonstrations are often only show but if you take the original art, I'd say it is more the fighter who uses it that defines it's effectivity.
BOTH the Chinese and Japanese trained everyday. And there is no such thing as an ordinary warrior, I hate to disappoint you on that.
And it's tough to compare because the Samurais's swordsmanship are their forte while the Chinese are more famous for their Shaolin unarmed martial arts.
In the context of China, they probably focused on unarmed combat rather than swordsmanship after the Qin Dynasty, so the monks became famous rather than the swordsman of the Chinese who uses "jian".
The Japanese samurais, whether pumped by mass media or not, were definitely respectable swordsmen of a whole new level compared to swordsmen of other cultures.
it doesnt matter who the victory goes to either martial artists. If it is both master than the one who makes the first mistake is usually the one that loses his life.
The chinese warrior or shaolin monk trained in the martial arts on a daily basis. It was a way of life that benefit their path of enlightenment they were pacifist, so they do not like fighting unless it's necessary.
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guys who do ninpo or wutever are always pudgy and have ponytails and no girlfriend cuz they watch anime all day. a.k.a. comic book guy from the simpsons. correct me if im wrong...
EXACTLY, all that XMA (Extreme martial arts), fancy flips and stuff annoys me. Nothing is traditional anymore. You have to go all the way to japan just to find a decent martial arts dojo, and even there theyre hard to find!
@semillasdelorto Jujitsu is popular because it's cheap, and that's what makes it effective. It is a martial art completely devoid of honor, and that's what makes it so effective in those cage fights.
If you ask me, both Shinobi and Samurai were amazing.
Samurai were wondrous fighters, who would either win, or die trying, they fought and died with honor in the name of their country. They were quick, they were strong, they didnt run, they didnt quit, true warriors they were.
Shinobi were masters of stealth, and deception. They were fast, they thought on their feet, able to decimate an opponent in seconds, warriors indeed.
@plushoyo everyone has there own term of warrior and too me that isnt what a warrior is a warrior is something better than that. For me there are three things.
The cause
The process
and the end result
Now you have to ask yourself why did the samurais fight and what/who did they fight for? Depending on the answer to what a samurai fought for and the way they achieved that, do they truly deserve respect
Shinobi mastered their own art form and to say they were nothing only shows that you need to catch up on the real ninjas. Shinobi mastered the arts of trickery, stealth, speed, and deception to counter the samurais strength, power, equipment, and resolve.
Ninjas were powerful and deadly, its like rock-paper-scissors, there will always be a counter, for samurai that was the ninja
shinobi are extremely exagerated not all shinobi wore black and were mostly used for reconissance and most information on shinobi isnt reliable....samurai are truely masters on an art and were fearless since they believed the way of the samurai is found in death
Man, the samurai were true masters of war through and through-they were the only group who made war look like an art form. I'm so sick of hearing the shit about shinobi (ninja)-they were NOTHING compared to these great men; just pale imitations in black pajamas. And LuDimezofKush, you are right-the samurai trated the sword like a body extension-they believed that a samurai's soul was in his sword.
Calling shinobi nothing are an insult to japan it self, shinobi's art were just as great as samurai. It had to be to keep up with them, it's just sshinobi is always being hyped up by the media that now there's all this ninja horse bull shit which ruins the shinobi
I can imagine wild sword fights back in the day it mustve been really bloody theres nothing pretty about this fighting. The swords pretty to look at tho. If I was living in those times my sword would be an extension of my body as well as my baby. Imagine the thousands of warriors.
Legacy, one man can not live forever therefore that which is his must be handed down, the children teach while he is still alive so that he may teach them how to teach so they can pass down thaqt which is the true way
The school is in Saitama I believe. But you would need an introduction I would think. But you would need to stay there for a long time! I understand that first level is after 10 years - I am sure someone will correct that if I am wrong.
This is a beautiful style, traditional and very real.
yes you do need to stay for a long time before they teach you the combat technigues at least 5 to 10 years and they will take anybody but you havet to live in japan but the fee to get in is expensive i train ther for a long time and one more thing it smells weird in there
You know Katori has ninjutsu elements and at a certain level it teaches ninjutsu(ninja) arts. Also lmao "it smell wierd in their" what do it smell like?
True fighting, whether it's with a sword or melee, is (or should) be unpredictable. This was something that Bruce Lee was trying to get across to martial artists. Being alive and free.
A good place to start if you want to know swords but don't have time to try one. I'd start with a two sided axe choping out cherry stumps. It is good for your arms and will give you a good idea of how important hand strength is. The movements with time become part of your being. You move as one with the axe. Know your axe. I say double sided because they are weighted better. The axe will show you how to stand and breath correctly. The real strength in a samurai are his hands and feet. Thanks!
I find people arguing about the practicality of martial arts tiresome and banal. Yes, you can learn hand-to-hand combat in various forms and you can put them into practice, but as Firronox has stated, you can't practice bukido sword fighting without potentially injuring someone..... the point of learning such disciplines and skills is to maintain and to remember such a beautiful honed artform
We live in damn idot times, gentlemen, when traders and money-hunters are viewed as foremost leaders..and people of spirit and sword become extinct..what a shame...
Do you really think real warriors like Miyamoto Mushashi got to their level of skill from Kata? Or any other form of solo training? No, HE STATES, THE MASTER HIMSELF, that many of the teaching in his book can only be truly understood through actual combat, be it SPAR or otherwise. If you want to argue with the teachings of the greatest samurai who ever lived, be my guest. I will not listen to your juvenile ramblings.
Because it was giving the people what they wanted, your now entering the realm of marketing, which has nothing to do with the purity or effectiveness of a martial art.
It survived because most people do not want to DIE in training! It is a BUSINESS and MARKETING matter. NOT a matter of the effectiveness of the TRAINING itself. YOUR AN IDIOT. YOU ARE SAD.
I know everyone has different view points on martial arts and I respect that. I guess it is down to what you can take the most from, kata or spar, and the specific martial art you are studying. Sorry for getting a bit hostile there, I get over passionate sometimes.
Sparring is doing the activity with a live resistance.
Swimming in actual water is doing the activity in live resistance. Getting into the water gives you instant feedback which creates improvement over time.
This training I see here lacks the feedback since there is no resistance. Its swimming on land. Its divorced from the reality. Imagine a pool virgin trying to swim an olympic race... ha! Do you suppose any amount of training out the pool could prepare them 4 real athletes?
Martial arts were founded as a means to an end. A systemized training for battle. To conquer, win, kill. You all practise it as an aesthetic art, a form of ballet totally divorced from practical application against an opponent who wants to harm you back. Jump in the pool and test your strokes... i bet you dont float as well as you presuppose the 1st time out.
So, unless you beat in fencing someone from this school who has at least Mokuroku, and show us his head - I suggest you to stop this endless "spar=good, TSKSR=bad"-kind of rant ;-)
Just trying to rephrase in a way you can understand. You havent grasped the concept. You miss the analogy and get what Im sayig entirely wrong. Its not about any martial art in particular. Its not about any activity in particular. Its about a more generally applicable truth. I box, I wrestle, I compete in Judo, and BJJ, and have fought MMA, baseball ect, ect. If you want to learn you have to do PERIOD. Go play in your pretend in your pajamas, your hopeless.
Are you some kind of retarded person? Real or near real kind of fights in fencing means serious or lethal injuries for at least one of participants - it is almost impossible to make a realistic spar in this kind of MAs - and even if you'll be able to do one it will lack most of essential parts of the real combat - so whats the point - feel yourself cocky swinging a replica of the sword?
I don't think you can answer a very simple question - why you do all those activities you mentioned?
Firronox, after reading your comment starting 'not a very good example' I have come to the conclusion that you are a complete waste of space.
What do you think military milling is for?
And comparing combative arts where the object is to defeat or disarm an opponent with swimming with a partner is absurd.
You really have shown how much you actually do not understand martial arts. The fact is, you cannot get good at swimming by practising the movements on land. End of.
As I said a bit earlier today - you have your opinion - stick to it, but don't push it on others.
Also, there is one small problem in your logic - if you think that kata is like trying to "get good at swimming by practising the movements on land" then what will the spar be - trying to get good at swimming by practising the movements under the rain? Spar is NOT a fight to death. Period.
We're talking about general confrontation here, nothing can prepare you for a fight to the death if you have not experienced one already, so it's not worth talking about. We're talking about the majority of confrontations, what martial arts are mostly used for, fending off an attacker. NOT killing them.
Forgot one last thing. How do you see spars in ken-jutsu,
BattleRoyaleChampion? If students will use real swords - they will kill each other, if they will use bokkens - they will probably brake lots of limbs or kill each other, if the use shinai - they won't learn to handle a real sword. So what do you suggest, hmm?? Once again, as I replied to Malbrojia, there is a great difference between fencing and hand to hand combat.
It was created to KILL to MAIM, you cannot try and turn it into anything less, no matter how much you try. I personally think that the modern day teachings are a perversion of the original art, and I am sure Mushashi would agree with me.
I heard a story about a japanese swordsman named miyamoto musashi.He is famous because of his unique style of weilding a samurai sword with 1 hand and defeating everybody he fought against because of his speed and unorthadox technique confused apponents.
i believe musashi use 2 swords. and if you read the book of 5 rings, musashi didnt say the key to victory is in speed.
if you try to cut too fast you will not cut anything. if you cut too slow then you will also not cut. try it yourself - if you cut too fast you lose control.
Yes thats right,it was a while ago when i read the story you are correct.I deffinately read that speed was important because if you use 2 hands on one sword it slows you down.Its like tryng to swing a nunchaku using 2 hands you technique will be weak and slow but it you weild it with 1 hand you will be faster and more precise ; )
you dont have much movement when you handle a sword with 2 hands. even if you use it with one hand and cut too fast you will still not cut because you lose control over the speed. it will not cut in a straight line.
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his name is uncle sam. It's a fictional character that was created almost 200 years ago by the americans when they used to receive boxes of dried beef labled U.S. on them. They then made fun and called it uncle sam, due to the name of a famous jerkey (or was it another kind of dried beef) at the time.
Ever since, the US has adopted him as the american army's main symbol
yeah,they had guns called flintlocks...then they stopped foreign ports until Naval Officer Perry came.This is their way of preserving ancient traditions just like we still practice fencing and chivalry to these days.
Are you talking about Uncle Sam or Uncle Same? I do know that Uncle Sam is the anthropromorphic symbol of the US. Uncle Same is someone I have never heard of.
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"they never practice free sparring due to the danger..." What's the use? Alot of pretending. Its like hypothesizing w/o experimenting to bear out the truth. Might as well be doing ballet with a sword in hand. Looks like combat... but its just dead patterns :( Martial Dance Aerobics ftl... Itd be cool to be able to train for real. lumps, bruises and cauliflower ears heh.
I agree with you on some points. i think experience is an excellent way to learn. However these patterns/forms have their purpose. they demonstrate how a technique may be used in combat.
I agree that free sparring is important, but this certainly isn't useless.
There is nothing hypothetical in a school of swordsmanship that survived the natural selection of medieval Japan. One pro of ko ryu japanese weapon arts is that they have been pressure tested in the battlefield. They have already experimented and found the truth in the most realistic enviroment possible. Now, the current ability of said schools to produce capable fighters is another story. They can easily use impact absorbing foam to create weapons with realistic weight, in order to spar...
Then they should. Producing capable fighters is exactly whats being hypothesized about. Are they doing these dances with the realization that they are useless in a combative situation? Of course not. Go ahead, mark my post down because you don't like the truth. :)
Well, from a certain point of view, chances are you will never find yourself needing to use a medieval weapon, Japanese or otherwise, in order to defend yourself.
Still, when you take up a hobby, everyone wishes to get better at it eventually, even if they never aimed for anthing more than decent. People don't understand there is nothing wrong with competition. On the other hand, it can be a very good driving force. If you don't want it to mean all that much in your training, it doesn't have to
Dude, you do know that TSKSR NEVER had any free spar in it, right? So how is it possible that this school survived for 600 years, hmm? Or maybe you would claim that if Otake Risuke was of your age with his present skills he wouldn't be able to slice you in two halves? Most of ko-ryus ban free spars cause when you spar-you are protected (i.e. you will not die) and this becomes a habit - be relaxed during a duel. There is no brownie points or second chance when you fight to death and not compete.
"Most of ko-ryus ban free spars cause when you spar-you are protected (i.e. you will not die) and this becomes a habit" All im saying is that the closer to real without permanent injury the better. The quoted statement seems to agree in a more extreme way. Ban sparring becuz its to fake, yet pose and slow -mo an imaginary situation? What kind of bad habits does that create? "if Otake Risuke was of your age with his present skills..." So im guessing he'd whip me with a shinai to!
Rather with his shin-ken. Dude lack of free-spars doesn't mean that this art can not be used in a real battle. Katas (and all schools of martial arts uses katas or tao-lu or any other kind of "forms") are meant to develop coordination, speed and knowledge of techniques. Spars does not develop that - they can only help you test what you've learned.
Do you really think that spars are more important than technique? Then why would anyone attend any kind of schools - if it is all about spars?
Yes, doing an activity is important, nay, the most important aspect of gaining any real life proficiency. If you want to learn to swim you'd better be ready to get wet. All the 'forms' and slow-mo technique outside the water wont mean very much when its time to sink or swim. Drills, instructional time, and the like have thier place as supplemental activities especially to a novice or when learning something new. I wouldnt recommend a life/death swim if you lack alot of time in the water!
b) doing katas is like swimming in the water alone (cause you Are working with a sword- not imaginary, but a real one, or a bokken if in pairs) and spar is like swimming with someone else- it still all depends on you- not your opponent.
Another note- what gives someone an edge in a fight (spar or the real one)? IMO determination, state of mind, readiness to act- no spar can develop that- only you can do that and only by yourself.
Spars can be supplementary in developing that - but they are unnecessary, and sometimes they stand in the way. They can help you develop self-confidence, if you lack one - but nothing more IMO.
No, they develop the timing, sense of balance, and an actual familiarity with the technique. Not to mention how those techs relate to opponents of varying body types, and attributes. Your opinion is one of someone who has never fought any style, with any serious intensity or intent. I think sparring would do just the opposite and totally ruin your confidence when you first find out that water's wet. But that'd be progress since your confidence is misplaced.
There is a great difference between hand to hand combat and fencing. I had experience of spars in both - and my opinion about spars in fencing was stated above. You have your opinion - stick to it, but don't push it on others. ;-)
I agree with you, i've fought in backstreet mixed martial arts tournaments, NO amount of Kata or w.e the fuck can prepare you for that. You need hands on expirience. The rest is only supplimentary and to consciously improve yourself.
Glad to see the opinion of another who actually has fought. It just makes me sad to see nerds wasting time and effort with thier feel-good fantasies. Wake-up.
what a pussy ass cut and then have the master masturbate yr finger for a drop of blood ...what a crybaby
BayouBluesMan 3 weeks ago
this teacher knows his stuff...just awesome
gv105468 3 months ago
What's the name of this school and loacation? I couldnt catch it
squareblockroundhole 4 months ago
it's a shame such arts are no longer of use today...but the spirit and teachings of the samurai still passed down and honorable
aiayumi 6 months ago
is he still teaching?
LilRedRasta 6 months ago
@LilRedRasta Yes
GuitarDestroyer77777 3 weeks ago
if nuclear war comes. these people are ready to go back to the swords and armour. bechose all weapon factorys whuld be destroyed.
gooddarkjedi 10 months ago
samurais knew the paradox of armarment. swords where made against the armour and the armours where made against the swords. constant evolution.
gooddarkjedi 10 months ago
this is awesome. one of the most insightful and thoroughly constructed investigations I've watched for a while
roughlyhewnstone 10 months ago
hmf that samurai armor looks kind of cheap for some reason, i guess it doesnt need to be battle ready these days but i dunno lol.... it looks a bit suspect
Taud 11 months ago
it is amazing how in the movies the fight long epic battles when in real life it takes less then a matter of seconds
kingzorsey 1 year ago
Sorry, I just realized I answered on my wifes account. LOL. If you wish to be samurai, then you must first understand that soldier is the lower of the two. Being that you are U.S. Army, perfect being a soldier, then move on to being a warrior.
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eringrime 1 year ago
But what to choose.
USArmyTheStrong 1 year ago
@USArmyTheStrong
In our western culture, I beleive it is impossible to be both soldier and samurai. A samurai is a warrior, trained to operate independent of the whole (if necessary) using only his spiritual training. A soldier is only a follower of orders. I am a U.S. Marine, survived a tour in the middle east, but I was a soldier. I did things that I now realize violated my personal sense of honor, something a warrior never would have done. I was following orders.
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@USArmyTheStrong Good luck on your personal quest.
Sorry, I just realized I answered on my wifes account. LOL. If you wish to be samurai, then you must first understand that soldier is the lower of the two. Being that you are U.S. Army, perfect being a soldier, then move on to being a warrior.
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Sorry, I just realized I answered on my wifes account. LOL. If you wish to be samurai, then you must first understand that soldier is the lower of the two. Being that you are U.S. Army, perfect being a soldier, then move on to being a warrior.
eringrime 1 year ago
I wish to be samurai and soldier.
USArmyTheStrong 1 year ago
Blood Oath?. Charming :D, what about the instructor punching you in the face to get some blood? ;)
QuantumProphet 1 year ago
I think there's no (educated) person on earth, who doesn't respect Japanese culture. It's history and traditions are so rich and unique.
KingofStarfox 1 year ago
eugh, I have hematophobia, why did they have to show the blood oath part?
NewYorkFlavour 1 year ago
And theres even more places you cant take a huge katana...
LaidbackPlayboy 1 year ago
a firearm is merely an extension of the person holding it - and there are places one can't take firearms.
mlminto 1 year ago
I love culture, and I admire old warriors, but a gun is more effective nowadays
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO Perhaps. But guns are for cowards.
KingofStarfox 1 year ago
@KingofStarfox Sure, all military are cowards, they should use swords instead.
How old are you anyway?
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO I must say, if I ever happen to live through a war where my country is attacked, I'd prefer a Yumi bow and a Katana or Naginata. I don't want to risk a doctor being able to fix the guy I shot. I could shoot him multiple times, yes. But believe me, you would probably feel much more "satisfied" if you can withstand technology with skill and patience. And a blade.
Davetts92 1 year ago
@Davetts92 Obviously you're just a kid, this is real life son, not some cartoon.
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO Simply because I do not own a firearm and will not join my country's army I would have to fight with these tools.
Davetts92 1 year ago
@Davetts92 you are not older than 15
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO I'm 18. But anyways, what makes you think that I am 15? I cannot buy firearms here in Germany. So I'd probably get myself a Compound bow. And since a bow sucks ass in Hand to hand combat, I'd bring a sword.
Davetts92 1 year ago
@Davetts92 You don't get it do you, when someone IN REAL LIFE will shot a ak47 towards ur sorry ass, you will shit ur pants with your stupid bow and knife, THIS IS REAL LIFE WAKE UP
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO Who says that the person will shoot at me? You won't shoot what you can't see...
Davetts92 1 year ago
@Davetts92 It wasn't about the sword, it could be any powerful object that you can trust your life too, it becomes part of you, even a gun.
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO This is an art used to meditate and see life on a mystical manner, until you come up with a Zen school for ak47 training, you wont get the allure of a jap sword :) if you start your ak46 academy let me know, all right?. :D
QuantumProphet 1 year ago
@QuantumProphet
This school has nothing to do with Zen Buddhism, it is related to a Tantric Buddhism school of Shingon and the Shugendo practices.
But yes Martial arts is not just about being martial - but also about being an art - development not just of ability to kill but the development of one's body and spirit and understanding that violence is not necessary to win a battle. In the end - the only enemy you need to defeat - is yourself.
Firronox 1 year ago
@Firronox
NICE!
Absolutry, you are right. You know very well.
I thought you must be Japanese, but you are not. I can't believe it !!!
asran816 1 year ago
@Firronox i thought they just said it was shinto, not buddhism?
Taud 11 months ago
wich art / discipline is this ?
dnt82 1 year ago
I believe this is kenjutsu
xxIenzoxx 1 year ago
@xxIenzoxx I thought the Samurai studied bushido.
thegeekifier 1 year ago
@thegeekifier bushido is the japanese word for way of the warrior
i think xD
lordteeuwen 1 year ago
@dnt82 This is Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu, and that is Risuke Otake sensei.
chucknorrispranks 1 year ago
Thank you very much.
LionEntity 1 year ago
Martial arts no matter what they are named are all based on observing the reoccurring facts to predict events which IS SCIENCE Buy a shinai not a boken, boken can kill you easier then a baseball bat. Shinai are bamboo and split into four and rarely break fingers beyond natural repair even in full swing from a strong man. get your friends to buy one each, go out to a park or school yard and have battles and observe the reoccurring facts. This training is way better then fighting imaginary enemies
Samurairob 1 year ago
05:25 A sense of good humour is an admirable atribute in such an honored Sensei.
badhorsy2003 2 years ago 9
I agree whole heartedly. I would give everything i have to be allowed to train under such a master.
majehdemon 2 years ago
2:46
These are true words, spoken by a real master.
Protherium 2 years ago 5
ive trained here before and otake is a very good teacher ecept now you train mostly with his sons
tomfunfun0530 2 years ago
My hope is that the teachings of the masters is never lost. Such discipline we could learn from them.
ThatNateGuy 2 years ago 6
shaolin werent pacifists. read a history of them.
nasgaf 2 years ago
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I dont give a shit about gay Shaolin...Samurai all the way man lolz
SinclairCeltics1990 2 years ago
sighn in blood lol, i always thought that was just a saying
Sunfist85 2 years ago
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shaolin martial arts is just show and tell, i haven't seen them fight and beat someone yet.
DeathStriker1337 2 years ago
That is because that if you see guys fight in mma and stuff they do the sport types of karate, jiujutsu and others. The Shaolin stuff you see in demonstrations are often only show but if you take the original art, I'd say it is more the fighter who uses it that defines it's effectivity.
TheHazimsanjib 2 years ago 4
BOTH the Chinese and Japanese trained everyday. And there is no such thing as an ordinary warrior, I hate to disappoint you on that.
And it's tough to compare because the Samurais's swordsmanship are their forte while the Chinese are more famous for their Shaolin unarmed martial arts.
Escthiil 2 years ago 7
samurai would win because, don;t they train most of the day. and chinese warrior is just an ordinary warrior.
DeathStriker1337 2 years ago
That's utterly wrong information.
In the ancient era, both the Chinese and the Japanese were probably on par based on achievements in their respective paths.
Monks, travelling swordsman of China, etc.
The Japanese were from China, by the way. The Ninjas you see now are people from Lin Kuei of China, who travelled to Japan.
Escthiil 2 years ago
In the context of China, they probably focused on unarmed combat rather than swordsmanship after the Qin Dynasty, so the monks became famous rather than the swordsman of the Chinese who uses "jian".
The Japanese samurais, whether pumped by mass media or not, were definitely respectable swordsmen of a whole new level compared to swordsmen of other cultures.
Escthiil 2 years ago
it doesnt matter who the victory goes to either martial artists. If it is both master than the one who makes the first mistake is usually the one that loses his life.
KendoProdigy211 2 years ago
The chinese warrior or shaolin monk trained in the martial arts on a daily basis. It was a way of life that benefit their path of enlightenment they were pacifist, so they do not like fighting unless it's necessary.
KendoProdigy211 2 years ago
Thats what u see on movies,like ''nasgaf'' said read a bout the shaolin history
younes727 2 years ago
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guys who do ninpo or wutever are always pudgy and have ponytails and no girlfriend cuz they watch anime all day. a.k.a. comic book guy from the simpsons. correct me if im wrong...
nasgaf 2 years ago
Have no idea why but I only like the original and very traditional martial arts I don't care about "modified" versions of them... old school rocks!!!
btw, thanks for sharing this video. This Samurai guy is amazing, think twce if you want to touch him.
semillasdelorto 2 years ago 37
couldnt agree more..
dodgingaces 2 years ago
EXACTLY, all that XMA (Extreme martial arts), fancy flips and stuff annoys me. Nothing is traditional anymore. You have to go all the way to japan just to find a decent martial arts dojo, and even there theyre hard to find!
SauerKraut95 2 years ago 4
be happy the stuff you like is still around most western maetial arts died off hundreds of year ago or more and are starting to come back
kokofan50 2 years ago
@semillasdelorto Jujitsu is popular because it's cheap, and that's what makes it effective. It is a martial art completely devoid of honor, and that's what makes it so effective in those cage fights.
NewYorkFlavour 1 year ago
i want to see how iet would be end if a samurai vs chinese worrior
i have never seen that before
LegendsXXboy 2 years ago 2
ya i know!
dodgingaces 2 years ago
If you ask me, both Shinobi and Samurai were amazing.
Samurai were wondrous fighters, who would either win, or die trying, they fought and died with honor in the name of their country. They were quick, they were strong, they didnt run, they didnt quit, true warriors they were.
Shinobi were masters of stealth, and deception. They were fast, they thought on their feet, able to decimate an opponent in seconds, warriors indeed.
Both deserve respect and honor.
plushoyo 2 years ago 53
@plushoyo it also must be noticed that there were many samurai who were shinobi and many shinobi were samurai.
chucknorrispranks 1 year ago
@chucknorrispranks agreed, "shinobi" was a job, so they came from all walks of life and their weapons were just as varied
Taud 10 months ago
@plushoyo Indeed, and both are a treasure of Japanese civilization.
GuitarDestroyer77777 3 months ago
@plushoyo everyone has there own term of warrior and too me that isnt what a warrior is a warrior is something better than that. For me there are three things.
The cause
The process
and the end result
Now you have to ask yourself why did the samurais fight and what/who did they fight for? Depending on the answer to what a samurai fought for and the way they achieved that, do they truly deserve respect
8matthewlee8 4 weeks ago
Shinobi mastered their own art form and to say they were nothing only shows that you need to catch up on the real ninjas. Shinobi mastered the arts of trickery, stealth, speed, and deception to counter the samurais strength, power, equipment, and resolve.
Ninjas were powerful and deadly, its like rock-paper-scissors, there will always be a counter, for samurai that was the ninja
SpartanSlayer 2 years ago
shinobi are extremely exagerated not all shinobi wore black and were mostly used for reconissance and most information on shinobi isnt reliable....samurai are truely masters on an art and were fearless since they believed the way of the samurai is found in death
noyin123 2 years ago 2
Man, the samurai were true masters of war through and through-they were the only group who made war look like an art form. I'm so sick of hearing the shit about shinobi (ninja)-they were NOTHING compared to these great men; just pale imitations in black pajamas. And LuDimezofKush, you are right-the samurai trated the sword like a body extension-they believed that a samurai's soul was in his sword.
TheHorrorOfYig 2 years ago
Calling shinobi nothing are an insult to japan it self, shinobi's art were just as great as samurai. It had to be to keep up with them, it's just sshinobi is always being hyped up by the media that now there's all this ninja horse bull shit which ruins the shinobi
holyknight70 2 years ago
fuck man i wanna get trained there,,
jwka2001 2 years ago
How much money , can cost a Samurai Armor?
TheOrdnajelaZ 2 years ago
I can imagine wild sword fights back in the day it mustve been really bloody theres nothing pretty about this fighting. The swords pretty to look at tho. If I was living in those times my sword would be an extension of my body as well as my baby. Imagine the thousands of warriors.
LuDimezofKush 2 years ago
Fights probably ended just as quick as they started, with real blades.
One cut and it's over. Arm gone, artery sliced, belly split open, etc.
hyonjun 2 years ago
lol werd
LuDimezofKush 2 years ago
one more thing otake now is old he looks nothing like he does in this video now new students will train with his sons then more him. dont know why
tomfunfun0530 2 years ago
Legacy, one man can not live forever therefore that which is his must be handed down, the children teach while he is still alive so that he may teach them how to teach so they can pass down thaqt which is the true way
KenpoKarateDo 2 years ago
MIYAMOTO MUSASHI!! he was for real...
WolfoX87 2 years ago
I wonder if they would accept europian women in this school?
AnnyNorn 2 years ago 3
I wonder if they accept european teenagers in this school.
ViriatoII 2 years ago 2
The school is in Saitama I believe. But you would need an introduction I would think. But you would need to stay there for a long time! I understand that first level is after 10 years - I am sure someone will correct that if I am wrong.
This is a beautiful style, traditional and very real.
sachifre 2 years ago
yes you do need to stay for a long time before they teach you the combat technigues at least 5 to 10 years and they will take anybody but you havet to live in japan but the fee to get in is expensive i train ther for a long time and one more thing it smells weird in there
tomfunfun0530 2 years ago
You know Katori has ninjutsu elements and at a certain level it teaches ninjutsu(ninja) arts. Also lmao "it smell wierd in their" what do it smell like?
maceioninjutsu 2 years ago
For me, it's on the other side of the world, but thank you for saying. I can reconcider that option,
ViriatoII 2 years ago
shit id love to go lol :P i wouldnt mind cutting my hand to join :P
jwka2001 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure they would, but do remember that this is a life style and it takes many, many years of practice.
Kaoskadosk 2 years ago
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True fighting, whether it's with a sword or melee, is (or should) be unpredictable. This was something that Bruce Lee was trying to get across to martial artists. Being alive and free.
"Be like water my friend."
XxDregonxX 2 years ago
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XxDregonxX 2 years ago
how old is this footage?
rytis2005 2 years ago
read the description
perpexel 2 years ago 2
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it says when it was broadcast not actually created moron thats why i am asking the actual date
rytis2005 2 years ago
read the discription it says "in the early 1980's" read before you complain -.-
runeguy221akaredguy2 2 years ago 4
I see a nerdy white guy in there hahaha :D
E2F83 2 years ago
A good place to start if you want to know swords but don't have time to try one. I'd start with a two sided axe choping out cherry stumps. It is good for your arms and will give you a good idea of how important hand strength is. The movements with time become part of your being. You move as one with the axe. Know your axe. I say double sided because they are weighted better. The axe will show you how to stand and breath correctly. The real strength in a samurai are his hands and feet. Thanks!
sunshinematrix 2 years ago
I find people arguing about the practicality of martial arts tiresome and banal. Yes, you can learn hand-to-hand combat in various forms and you can put them into practice, but as Firronox has stated, you can't practice bukido sword fighting without potentially injuring someone..... the point of learning such disciplines and skills is to maintain and to remember such a beautiful honed artform
DeepCut89 2 years ago 4
It's amazing..
We live in damn idot times, gentlemen, when traders and money-hunters are viewed as foremost leaders..and people of spirit and sword become extinct..what a shame...
This is the End (of times)
IvanKolosnik 2 years ago
Do you really think real warriors like Miyamoto Mushashi got to their level of skill from Kata? Or any other form of solo training? No, HE STATES, THE MASTER HIMSELF, that many of the teaching in his book can only be truly understood through actual combat, be it SPAR or otherwise. If you want to argue with the teachings of the greatest samurai who ever lived, be my guest. I will not listen to your juvenile ramblings.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
I should have guessed, another fan of M.M.
I refer to a real living tradition, you refer to a myth. Prove that Musashi really existed (and was just the way he is depicted in "his" book).
Explain to me, o avatar of all gods of martial arts, how did school that DON'T have spars in it survived for 600 years? ehh?
Firronox 2 years ago
Because it was giving the people what they wanted, your now entering the realm of marketing, which has nothing to do with the purity or effectiveness of a martial art.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
And your last two posts prove that you don't know sh*t about history of martial arts. Another I-wanna-be-Musashi dude... sad.
Firronox 2 years ago
Another coward who is too scared to actually fight but wants to pose with his silly katas and pretend he's are real warrior... sad.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
It survived because most people do not want to DIE in training! It is a BUSINESS and MARKETING matter. NOT a matter of the effectiveness of the TRAINING itself. YOUR AN IDIOT. YOU ARE SAD.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
Lol
And the people don't know!
You should write a book about that - all ko-ryu people will be very surprised to know that you think them to be BS ;-)
Firronox 2 years ago
Thank you for your support I might just do that.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
Be my guest XD
Firronox 2 years ago
I know everyone has different view points on martial arts and I respect that. I guess it is down to what you can take the most from, kata or spar, and the specific martial art you are studying. Sorry for getting a bit hostile there, I get over passionate sometimes.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
No problem dude - I was not offended.
Firronox 2 years ago
Sparring is doing the activity with a live resistance.
Swimming in actual water is doing the activity in live resistance. Getting into the water gives you instant feedback which creates improvement over time.
This training I see here lacks the feedback since there is no resistance. Its swimming on land. Its divorced from the reality. Imagine a pool virgin trying to swim an olympic race... ha! Do you suppose any amount of training out the pool could prepare them 4 real athletes?
Malbrojia 2 years ago
Martial arts were founded as a means to an end. A systemized training for battle. To conquer, win, kill. You all practise it as an aesthetic art, a form of ballet totally divorced from practical application against an opponent who wants to harm you back. Jump in the pool and test your strokes... i bet you dont float as well as you presuppose the 1st time out.
Malbrojia 2 years ago
And you don't practice it at all. So how can you judge, without entering the water, ehh?
By the way you repeated your statement about 9 times already, are you trying to raise your self-esteem by that?
a) Anyway spar is not equal real combat. In ancient times swordsmen could get practical experience from battle, but in our times this is not possible.
b) This school never allowed free spars in it program yet it was and is considered to be one of the best of ko-ryus.
Firronox 2 years ago
So, unless you beat in fencing someone from this school who has at least Mokuroku, and show us his head - I suggest you to stop this endless "spar=good, TSKSR=bad"-kind of rant ;-)
Firronox 2 years ago
Just trying to rephrase in a way you can understand. You havent grasped the concept. You miss the analogy and get what Im sayig entirely wrong. Its not about any martial art in particular. Its not about any activity in particular. Its about a more generally applicable truth. I box, I wrestle, I compete in Judo, and BJJ, and have fought MMA, baseball ect, ect. If you want to learn you have to do PERIOD. Go play in your pretend in your pajamas, your hopeless.
Malbrojia 2 years ago
Are you some kind of retarded person? Real or near real kind of fights in fencing means serious or lethal injuries for at least one of participants - it is almost impossible to make a realistic spar in this kind of MAs - and even if you'll be able to do one it will lack most of essential parts of the real combat - so whats the point - feel yourself cocky swinging a replica of the sword?
I don't think you can answer a very simple question - why you do all those activities you mentioned?
Firronox 2 years ago
Firronox, after reading your comment starting 'not a very good example' I have come to the conclusion that you are a complete waste of space.
What do you think military milling is for?
And comparing combative arts where the object is to defeat or disarm an opponent with swimming with a partner is absurd.
You really have shown how much you actually do not understand martial arts. The fact is, you cannot get good at swimming by practising the movements on land. End of.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
As I said a bit earlier today - you have your opinion - stick to it, but don't push it on others.
Also, there is one small problem in your logic - if you think that kata is like trying to "get good at swimming by practising the movements on land" then what will the spar be - trying to get good at swimming by practising the movements under the rain? Spar is NOT a fight to death. Period.
Firronox 2 years ago
We're talking about general confrontation here, nothing can prepare you for a fight to the death if you have not experienced one already, so it's not worth talking about. We're talking about the majority of confrontations, what martial arts are mostly used for, fending off an attacker. NOT killing them.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
P.S.
Forgot one last thing. How do you see spars in ken-jutsu,
BattleRoyaleChampion? If students will use real swords - they will kill each other, if they will use bokkens - they will probably brake lots of limbs or kill each other, if the use shinai - they won't learn to handle a real sword. So what do you suggest, hmm?? Once again, as I replied to Malbrojia, there is a great difference between fencing and hand to hand combat.
Firronox 2 years ago
Ken-jutsu is a useless art in todays world.
It was created to KILL to MAIM, you cannot try and turn it into anything less, no matter how much you try. I personally think that the modern day teachings are a perversion of the original art, and I am sure Mushashi would agree with me.
BattleRoyaleChampion 2 years ago
japanese people are fucking cool
Kulfur 3 years ago
I heard a story about a japanese swordsman named miyamoto musashi.He is famous because of his unique style of weilding a samurai sword with 1 hand and defeating everybody he fought against because of his speed and unorthadox technique confused apponents.
TheOverfiendDj 3 years ago
i believe musashi use 2 swords. and if you read the book of 5 rings, musashi didnt say the key to victory is in speed.
if you try to cut too fast you will not cut anything. if you cut too slow then you will also not cut. try it yourself - if you cut too fast you lose control.
rebelwithoutacause05 3 years ago
Yes thats right,it was a while ago when i read the story you are correct.I deffinately read that speed was important because if you use 2 hands on one sword it slows you down.Its like tryng to swing a nunchaku using 2 hands you technique will be weak and slow but it you weild it with 1 hand you will be faster and more precise ; )
TheOverfiendDj 3 years ago
you dont have much movement when you handle a sword with 2 hands. even if you use it with one hand and cut too fast you will still not cut because you lose control over the speed. it will not cut in a straight line.
rebelwithoutacause05 3 years ago
Yup, got that book myself, are you are indeed right. kudos to you.
BattleRoyaleChampion 3 years ago
2:48 does this guy even know who's miyamoto musashi? "2 heavens 1 style" fought over 60 individual matches undefeated
rebelwithoutacause05 3 years ago
That is exactly what he is talking about - the uselessness of that behaviour.
Firronox 3 years ago
Where in Japan is this Dojo located?
InsaneHatcheteer 3 years ago
Narita City, Chiba Prefecture.
Firronox 3 years ago
very admirable way of using sword...flawles techniques......
romewho 3 years ago
And you would be in a position to judge that?
Brisks 3 years ago
I would :-P
Firronox 3 years ago
Amazing footage. Thank you.
charliekkendo 3 years ago
splendid thanks for all 4 parts my friend
jimmcom 3 years ago 2
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his name is uncle sam. It's a fictional character that was created almost 200 years ago by the americans when they used to receive boxes of dried beef labled U.S. on them. They then made fun and called it uncle sam, due to the name of a famous jerkey (or was it another kind of dried beef) at the time.
Ever since, the US has adopted him as the american army's main symbol
upsilone 3 years ago
yeah,they had guns called flintlocks...then they stopped foreign ports until Naval Officer Perry came.This is their way of preserving ancient traditions just like we still practice fencing and chivalry to these days.
OperationsSpecialist 3 years ago
The Japanese actually utilized "Matchlocks" on their teppo. Flintlocks were a 17th century development.
Caliburnis 3 years ago
Dring one of the practise sessions one of them said "You almost cut my d*** off" lol
KageShinobiWarrior 3 years ago 2
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used to be like this until good old uncle same came up, took out his colt and bam... XD
Japanese's reaction: oooooh O_O sugoi!
and so, history has changed
upsilone 3 years ago
No, the japanese had guns as far back as the 1500's, and got them from the Portuguese. Nothing to do with the USA at all.
Namiwakiru 3 years ago 12
at first,Portuguese imitation self made
but soon self mass production begun
only weak point ,gunpowder
japan dont have potassium nitrate
gengoro1 3 years ago
Who is Uncle Same?
DrHanuman 3 years ago 3
you're kidding me right?... you don't know who uncle sam is?
it's america's symbol: an old man, dressed up with the american flag's colours, and with a goatee.
He also has these huge biceps and is very often used to represent the US or the american army in magazines or newspapers.
upsilone 3 years ago
Are you talking about Uncle Sam or Uncle Same? I do know that Uncle Sam is the anthropromorphic symbol of the US. Uncle Same is someone I have never heard of.
DrHanuman 3 years ago
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"they never practice free sparring due to the danger..." What's the use? Alot of pretending. Its like hypothesizing w/o experimenting to bear out the truth. Might as well be doing ballet with a sword in hand. Looks like combat... but its just dead patterns :( Martial Dance Aerobics ftl... Itd be cool to be able to train for real. lumps, bruises and cauliflower ears heh.
Malbrojia 3 years ago
I agree with you on some points. i think experience is an excellent way to learn. However these patterns/forms have their purpose. they demonstrate how a technique may be used in combat.
I agree that free sparring is important, but this certainly isn't useless.
BalorCM2 3 years ago 2
There is nothing hypothetical in a school of swordsmanship that survived the natural selection of medieval Japan. One pro of ko ryu japanese weapon arts is that they have been pressure tested in the battlefield. They have already experimented and found the truth in the most realistic enviroment possible. Now, the current ability of said schools to produce capable fighters is another story. They can easily use impact absorbing foam to create weapons with realistic weight, in order to spar...
Kantzarakos 3 years ago 3
Then they should. Producing capable fighters is exactly whats being hypothesized about. Are they doing these dances with the realization that they are useless in a combative situation? Of course not. Go ahead, mark my post down because you don't like the truth. :)
Malbrojia 3 years ago
Well, from a certain point of view, chances are you will never find yourself needing to use a medieval weapon, Japanese or otherwise, in order to defend yourself.
Still, when you take up a hobby, everyone wishes to get better at it eventually, even if they never aimed for anthing more than decent. People don't understand there is nothing wrong with competition. On the other hand, it can be a very good driving force. If you don't want it to mean all that much in your training, it doesn't have to
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
Dude, you do know that TSKSR NEVER had any free spar in it, right? So how is it possible that this school survived for 600 years, hmm? Or maybe you would claim that if Otake Risuke was of your age with his present skills he wouldn't be able to slice you in two halves? Most of ko-ryus ban free spars cause when you spar-you are protected (i.e. you will not die) and this becomes a habit - be relaxed during a duel. There is no brownie points or second chance when you fight to death and not compete.
Firronox 3 years ago
"Most of ko-ryus ban free spars cause when you spar-you are protected (i.e. you will not die) and this becomes a habit" All im saying is that the closer to real without permanent injury the better. The quoted statement seems to agree in a more extreme way. Ban sparring becuz its to fake, yet pose and slow -mo an imaginary situation? What kind of bad habits does that create? "if Otake Risuke was of your age with his present skills..." So im guessing he'd whip me with a shinai to!
Malbrojia 3 years ago
Rather with his shin-ken. Dude lack of free-spars doesn't mean that this art can not be used in a real battle. Katas (and all schools of martial arts uses katas or tao-lu or any other kind of "forms") are meant to develop coordination, speed and knowledge of techniques. Spars does not develop that - they can only help you test what you've learned.
Do you really think that spars are more important than technique? Then why would anyone attend any kind of schools - if it is all about spars?
Firronox 3 years ago
Yes, doing an activity is important, nay, the most important aspect of gaining any real life proficiency. If you want to learn to swim you'd better be ready to get wet. All the 'forms' and slow-mo technique outside the water wont mean very much when its time to sink or swim. Drills, instructional time, and the like have thier place as supplemental activities especially to a novice or when learning something new. I wouldnt recommend a life/death swim if you lack alot of time in the water!
Malbrojia 3 years ago
Not a very good example: cause
a) there is no slow-mo in katori
b) doing katas is like swimming in the water alone (cause you Are working with a sword- not imaginary, but a real one, or a bokken if in pairs) and spar is like swimming with someone else- it still all depends on you- not your opponent.
Another note- what gives someone an edge in a fight (spar or the real one)? IMO determination, state of mind, readiness to act- no spar can develop that- only you can do that and only by yourself.
Firronox 3 years ago
Spars can be supplementary in developing that - but they are unnecessary, and sometimes they stand in the way. They can help you develop self-confidence, if you lack one - but nothing more IMO.
Firronox 3 years ago
No, they develop the timing, sense of balance, and an actual familiarity with the technique. Not to mention how those techs relate to opponents of varying body types, and attributes. Your opinion is one of someone who has never fought any style, with any serious intensity or intent. I think sparring would do just the opposite and totally ruin your confidence when you first find out that water's wet. But that'd be progress since your confidence is misplaced.
Malbrojia 2 years ago
There is a great difference between hand to hand combat and fencing. I had experience of spars in both - and my opinion about spars in fencing was stated above. You have your opinion - stick to it, but don't push it on others. ;-)
Firronox 2 years ago
I agree with you, i've fought in backstreet mixed martial arts tournaments, NO amount of Kata or w.e the fuck can prepare you for that. You need hands on expirience. The rest is only supplimentary and to consciously improve yourself.
BattleRoyaleChampion 3 years ago
Glad to see the opinion of another who actually has fought. It just makes me sad to see nerds wasting time and effort with thier feel-good fantasies. Wake-up.
IFC XIV- MMA veteran
Malbrojia 2 years ago