you are aware of course that hydrogen combusts without an ignition source at compression ratios higher than ~9.5:1 right? you are also aware that diesel engines use a far higher compression ratio... so either the amount of hydrogen you're adding is so trivial as to make mileage gains equally trivial, or you're putting your engine at risk by starting combustion too early, leading to heat buildup and knock.
@NikeMike417 Petrol and Diesel fuel both have hydrogen in them... every internal combustion engine burns hydrogen... This is merely increasing the amount of hydrogen and making it a catalytic combustion enhancer.
The answer is no... it wont destroy the engine - even for the longest run... on the contrary... it is good for the engine. Do a research on BMW 7 series Hydrogen car.
@forfunmx there are many videos showing people running cars off of straight HHO from a compressed tank.shit.. even the mythbusters did it and they hardly get anything right. The systems available today using a proper electrolyte solution produce MUCH more than 3-6 liters of hydrogen per minute. Just because you bought a 1st gen technology doesnt mean it cant be done! and the reason you dont see any tests is because the oil companies dont want you to see them! Look up Stan Meyer and u will see!
Because there are non, i fell for this hoax like other thousands, after two weeks of reaserch and having installed a 3ltr per min hho reactor i have no improvement in mileage or performance.
Im only thkfull because i didnt buy any instruction from fraudulent sites...
Now,i have learned over 15 reasons why it will not work. I will only mention 2 for lack of space.
@forfunmx well said. It's a huge con but people fall for it all the time, that's why companies liek K&N sell so many things with a promise of power gains when they don't filter and sandblast the turbo! It's all to do with clever marketing and advertising.
Pwede po... just have a throttle butterfly fabricated into your intake pipe... near the air cleaner... kahit plastic pwede... this will increase the vacuum pressure so you can put barb fitting after it.. Then and only then can you add Hydrogen enhancement on board to be sucked by your system. Drier Gas is better.
It works well with VTEC engines... specially with EFIE... my friends honda cruises at 80+kph @1,500 rpm... he drives a 2008 Honda Civic Automatik. It's equiped with hydrogen on demand and a single O2 sensor enhancer... email me.
The most telling sign that the mod is effective is that the idle speed would go up, forcing you to cut down on the fuel supply. EFI's, like CRDI's automatically re-adjust, but non-electronically managed engines will definitely need to have the idle speed manually re-adjusted.
Everything needs a balance... there are no such thing as tamang spacing. It depends on container size, plate size, surface area... symmetry, cell geometry, electrolyte, power supply, type of current used, output port, vac pressure... thats why, importante tinotono ang cell before actual use. Kaso, kahit gano kagaling yung cell, pag hindi tama ang installation... hindi rin ito bibigay ng magandang resulta. Kelangan itono lahat sangayon sa hinihingi ng makina.
If you are using 304 Stainless Steel or any metal with higher Carbon Content... it is normally hard to reduce muck formation. However, if you can condition your cell correctly and not misorient the make up of your electrodes by frquently switching polarities... you can maintain clean water even if you are using tap. But some electrolytes are not recomended, since they only hasten muck formation.
Please treat these muck a cancerous since they contain Chromium Hexavalent.
Actually, convertion is not the right term... since HHO is merely an add on. Parang Nitrous system. Kaso, and pinagiba, hindi ito forced induction or injection... this is only induced passively. Of course, pwedeng pwede ito for Gasoline at lalong lalo na kung Carbureted. In my experience, this system works well with Gasoline fed Toyotas. With regards to estimated value... depende sa system na gusto mo. Around P5T to P15T, if you want to do it yourself. Kasama na merienda. :-)
Water in the form of steam is not harmful to the engine. Water in mist, steam or fog form at any temperature is harmless to the engine whether stationary or moving. If you fear oxidation of rusting then you need to have the metal exposed for a long time in water and or salty air.
ok lang yun... actually... around 20% ata ng hangin na hinihinga natin is actually water vapor. So all the time, ang makina natin ay humihigop ng tubig mula sa hangin sa paligid.
Pero itong pinapasok natin ay H2 and O2 gas na unstable... yung tubig naman kung sakali maging steam... ok din lang.
sir ehnriko ask kolang po kung saan iinject yung hydrogen? gamit ko 4d30 diesel engine, ask kolang din po kung aandar siya kahit walang diesel? or kung kailangan parin ng diesel gaano nman kalaki matitipid nya? tnx in advance malaking 2long po ito sa tatay ko kasi ginagamit nyapo sa pamamasada tnx.....
I guess this is the right approach for diesels... We need to inject Hydrogen into the intake manifold. Since Diesels have very little vacuum, it is imperative to use a PCV or one way valve on the HHO gas line towards the intake manifold.
The object is to inject the gas from a High HHO output into your intake so we can enrich the air going in your combustion chambers. Hoping it will enhance the burning power from normal to extraordinary.
We are still working on it. But we are going near.
Diesels are unthrottled so you wont find much vacuum in the intake at idle speed. If I may venture a couple guesses, I would think the reason behind the ineffectivity of the mod is a) intake leak downstream of the H2 port, or b)retarded injection timing(unless it was common rail).
Thats the reason why we need to fabricate a throttle butterfly just after the air cleaner... a fitting can be drilled and plugged or tapped into just after the throttle location. Thanks for your input. :-)
mga tol ask ko lang. correct me if im wrong. (d naman po ako expert sa engine)..pano magkakaron ng improvement sa mileage since ang diesel engine naman direct fuel injection diba? (as for my knowledge)... makaktulong ito sa combustion process (less unburned fuel, less usok, less knocking etc...) pero ang pag inject ng fuel sa chamber will be the same naman diba. balak ko din kc i try e2 gus2 ko lang ask sa may mga experience na sa ganito tulad nyo. - open to suggestions. salamat po.
Fuel Injectors have fixed gears... there nothing we can do about that unless the approach is intrusive or mechanical.
There is no lessening of the fuel coming or being injected in to your combustion chambers.
Diesel is a compression ignition engine where the injectors spray the fuel the moment it will be ignited as well due to the warm or hot compressed air. Diesel will ignite under pressure.
Hydrogen is merely mixed with the ambient or atmospheric air that we compress inside.
Even if its Diesel or Gasoline... Compression Ignition or Spark Ignition, Direct injection or Carbureted... all ICE engines induce air. HHO simply enriches the air. not the Fuel 1 of your system.
An HHO enriched air mixed with your Fuel 1 will definitely increase combustion or explosion power in your cylinders.
Increased power on the pistons = less knocking = more power on the wheels = increased eficiency = decrease power loss = increase fuel utilization = maximized potential.
Hi! how many plates (stainless steel) did you use on your electrolyzer? What catalyst did you use for electrolysis? Does it have safety switch as with the Lancer? Today I am getting 10 km/L city on my 2L, is it safe to put that on my ride because i am not sure if my ride is all aluminum engine block or iron type ones. will it damage the interior of the 2L diesel in the long run? Thanks!!!
We are merely enriching the air being sucked by the engine. The same thing occurs with a car running in ground fog... like Tagaytay or Baguio. Do their engines become damage there?
If you are sensitive enough - (normally Race Car Drivers are) - you will be sensitive to changes of engine behavior.
I dont use plates. I use 7 tubes. No Electrolyes or Catalysts, this is bad for the electrodes and they are normally emitting oxides - you dont want that.
I'd lke to know if there is vacuum in the air intake during idle coz I tried HHO in my isuzu deisel engine but I noticed there was no vacuum during idle and there was a backflow of air to my bubbler coming from the air filter preventing HHO to get into the engine.I also noticed that there was a vacuum only when I hit the pedal. Is it the same with revo diesel with regards to the vacuum? take note, brake booster is not applicable in my case...
Does the diesel seem to have more power? Does it seem to smooth out the diesel knock? It would be nice to have some milage information on that diesel. Befor and after.
3. Owner wasnt able to record before consumption per km. But was happy with the improvement of engine performance.
Owner simply fills up tank every time, and it has been recorded that it consumes 8.5km per li.
Yesterday, we improved the hose connection... instead of the T-connection from the breather, we installed it between the air filter and the manifold duct. It still doesnt produce strong vacuum during idling, still subject for improvement.
sir tanong ko lng gusto ko kse maliwanagan gagamit prin ba ako ng desel o gasolina d2? o super 7 na ang mgpapatakbo ng sasakyan?
bheng81710 1 month ago
Sir, ask lang po namin sa Toyota Revo EFI kung ilang ang Fuel consumption nia before and after installation of HHO/, thanks!
mjparco 6 months ago
you are aware of course that hydrogen combusts without an ignition source at compression ratios higher than ~9.5:1 right? you are also aware that diesel engines use a far higher compression ratio... so either the amount of hydrogen you're adding is so trivial as to make mileage gains equally trivial, or you're putting your engine at risk by starting combustion too early, leading to heat buildup and knock.
jmurockstar 7 months ago
will it degrade/destroy the engine to some extent? i mean engines like those were supposed to run on petrol or diesel, and not hydrogen
NikeMike417 11 months ago
@NikeMike417 Petrol and Diesel fuel both have hydrogen in them... every internal combustion engine burns hydrogen... This is merely increasing the amount of hydrogen and making it a catalytic combustion enhancer.
The answer is no... it wont destroy the engine - even for the longest run... on the contrary... it is good for the engine. Do a research on BMW 7 series Hydrogen car.
ehnriko 11 months ago
too many ###
cw3849 1 year ago
1) 4cil 2ltr engine uses 2,000 ltrs of air per minuteat 2000rpm
2ltrs x 2000rpms / 2 = 2000ltrs of air per min
3 or 6 ltrs per min of hho wont do s...
2) hho alone inside an engine contracts (implodes) into h2o (water) doesnt explode like gas therefore 4 stroke engines will not work on hho alone
SPREAD THE WORD!!
if you want to know more just let me know
forfunmx 2 years ago
@forfunmx there are many videos showing people running cars off of straight HHO from a compressed tank.shit.. even the mythbusters did it and they hardly get anything right. The systems available today using a proper electrolyte solution produce MUCH more than 3-6 liters of hydrogen per minute. Just because you bought a 1st gen technology doesnt mean it cant be done! and the reason you dont see any tests is because the oil companies dont want you to see them! Look up Stan Meyer and u will see!
0p3nURiZ 1 year ago
CAN U FIND ANY VIDS WITH PROVEN RESULTS? NO
Because there are non, i fell for this hoax like other thousands, after two weeks of reaserch and having installed a 3ltr per min hho reactor i have no improvement in mileage or performance.
Im only thkfull because i didnt buy any instruction from fraudulent sites...
Now,i have learned over 15 reasons why it will not work. I will only mention 2 for lack of space.
if u want to know more let me know...
forfunmx 2 years ago
@forfunmx well said. It's a huge con but people fall for it all the time, that's why companies liek K&N sell so many things with a promise of power gains when they don't filter and sandblast the turbo! It's all to do with clever marketing and advertising.
urbex2007 1 year ago
mas makakatipid b pag naglagay ng ganyan? pls answer
jomatscabrera 2 years ago
Supposedly. if not, then this is just going to be simply a waste of time.
ehnriko 2 years ago
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samihhadid 2 years ago
aaaahhhh, you have great taste in music my friend.
super 7 is the name of the company that sells these kits, correct?
CEEPMDEE 2 years ago
Super 7 is the name I call that particular cell design... not the company name.
ehnriko 2 years ago
@ehnriko sir, how long you've been using this gadget? and how much did you save in mileage?
bugsarnold 1 year ago
sir ano po contact number nyo? or email ad nyo po
joshfidel 2 years ago
ehnriko@yahoo
ehnriko 2 years ago
sir, pwede ba Super 7 mo sa Toyota 2L?
noelskiph 2 years ago
Pwede po... just have a throttle butterfly fabricated into your intake pipe... near the air cleaner... kahit plastic pwede... this will increase the vacuum pressure so you can put barb fitting after it.. Then and only then can you add Hydrogen enhancement on board to be sucked by your system. Drier Gas is better.
ehnriko 2 years ago
Sir enrico.. Where can I contact you? does it also work with honda engines? vtec?
joshfidel 3 years ago
It works well with VTEC engines... specially with EFIE... my friends honda cruises at 80+kph @1,500 rpm... he drives a 2008 Honda Civic Automatik. It's equiped with hydrogen on demand and a single O2 sensor enhancer... email me.
ehnriko 2 years ago
The most telling sign that the mod is effective is that the idle speed would go up, forcing you to cut down on the fuel supply. EFI's, like CRDI's automatically re-adjust, but non-electronically managed engines will definitely need to have the idle speed manually re-adjusted.
kiddopocktoole 3 years ago
Thats correct.
ehnriko 3 years ago
sir ask kolang kung ano tamang spacing ng bawat cell? tnx
tferdz 3 years ago
Everything needs a balance... there are no such thing as tamang spacing. It depends on container size, plate size, surface area... symmetry, cell geometry, electrolyte, power supply, type of current used, output port, vac pressure... thats why, importante tinotono ang cell before actual use. Kaso, kahit gano kagaling yung cell, pag hindi tama ang installation... hindi rin ito bibigay ng magandang resulta. Kelangan itono lahat sangayon sa hinihingi ng makina.
ehnriko 3 years ago
sir ehnriko bakit ang bilis dumumi ng water? anong dapat ilagay para hindi siya mabilis dumumi? tnx
tferdz 3 years ago
If you are using 304 Stainless Steel or any metal with higher Carbon Content... it is normally hard to reduce muck formation. However, if you can condition your cell correctly and not misorient the make up of your electrodes by frquently switching polarities... you can maintain clean water even if you are using tap. But some electrolytes are not recomended, since they only hasten muck formation.
Please treat these muck a cancerous since they contain Chromium Hexavalent.
ehnriko 3 years ago
ask ko lang kun pwede pa convert 12t engine(premium gas) na i convert diyan? at asa magkano ang estimated value?
maxnanabas09 3 years ago
Actually, convertion is not the right term... since HHO is merely an add on. Parang Nitrous system. Kaso, and pinagiba, hindi ito forced induction or injection... this is only induced passively. Of course, pwedeng pwede ito for Gasoline at lalong lalo na kung Carbureted. In my experience, this system works well with Gasoline fed Toyotas. With regards to estimated value... depende sa system na gusto mo. Around P5T to P15T, if you want to do it yourself. Kasama na merienda. :-)
ehnriko 3 years ago
anu un pede sa tubig pede sa gas, pde pa la un sa 12t kci carburator type ung makina
maxnanabas09 3 years ago
basta malakas ang vacuum.
ehnriko 3 years ago
sir ask ko lang po. hindi ba risky ito? pag naka park sa initan eh ung tubig sa bubbler ay mag evaporate ng konti and pumunta sa makina?
rbeenlio 3 years ago
Water in the form of steam is not harmful to the engine. Water in mist, steam or fog form at any temperature is harmless to the engine whether stationary or moving. If you fear oxidation of rusting then you need to have the metal exposed for a long time in water and or salty air.
ehnriko 3 years ago
ok lang yun... actually... around 20% ata ng hangin na hinihinga natin is actually water vapor. So all the time, ang makina natin ay humihigop ng tubig mula sa hangin sa paligid.
Pero itong pinapasok natin ay H2 and O2 gas na unstable... yung tubig naman kung sakali maging steam... ok din lang.
ehnriko 3 years ago
sir ehnriko ask kolang po kung saan iinject yung hydrogen? gamit ko 4d30 diesel engine, ask kolang din po kung aandar siya kahit walang diesel? or kung kailangan parin ng diesel gaano nman kalaki matitipid nya? tnx in advance malaking 2long po ito sa tatay ko kasi ginagamit nyapo sa pamamasada tnx.....
tferdz 3 years ago
I guess this is the right approach for diesels... We need to inject Hydrogen into the intake manifold. Since Diesels have very little vacuum, it is imperative to use a PCV or one way valve on the HHO gas line towards the intake manifold.
The object is to inject the gas from a High HHO output into your intake so we can enrich the air going in your combustion chambers. Hoping it will enhance the burning power from normal to extraordinary.
We are still working on it. But we are going near.
ehnriko 3 years ago
sir, update nyo po ako for the diesel HHO system.
will it increase my mileage in terms of fuel consumption?
carloextreme 3 years ago
We dyno tested the REVO yesterday... walang difference.
Findings:
1. Vacuum isn't strong enough... in fact, there is almost no vacuum sucking the HHO. Kahit lakasan pa natin ang gas production from the unit.
Solution:
Kelangan butasan kung saan yung merong pinakamalakas na vacuum pressure dun sa intake manifold.
Ubra sa ISUZU at sa ibang diesel engines ito.
ehnriko 3 years ago
Diesels are unthrottled so you wont find much vacuum in the intake at idle speed. If I may venture a couple guesses, I would think the reason behind the ineffectivity of the mod is a) intake leak downstream of the H2 port, or b)retarded injection timing(unless it was common rail).
kiddopocktoole 3 years ago
Thats the reason why we need to fabricate a throttle butterfly just after the air cleaner... a fitting can be drilled and plugged or tapped into just after the throttle location. Thanks for your input. :-)
ehnriko 2 years ago
that lancer looks ghetto
MSRM123 3 years ago
mga tol ask ko lang. correct me if im wrong. (d naman po ako expert sa engine)..pano magkakaron ng improvement sa mileage since ang diesel engine naman direct fuel injection diba? (as for my knowledge)... makaktulong ito sa combustion process (less unburned fuel, less usok, less knocking etc...) pero ang pag inject ng fuel sa chamber will be the same naman diba. balak ko din kc i try e2 gus2 ko lang ask sa may mga experience na sa ganito tulad nyo. - open to suggestions. salamat po.
rbeenlio 3 years ago
Fuel Injectors have fixed gears... there nothing we can do about that unless the approach is intrusive or mechanical.
There is no lessening of the fuel coming or being injected in to your combustion chambers.
Diesel is a compression ignition engine where the injectors spray the fuel the moment it will be ignited as well due to the warm or hot compressed air. Diesel will ignite under pressure.
Hydrogen is merely mixed with the ambient or atmospheric air that we compress inside.
ehnriko 3 years ago
Even if its Diesel or Gasoline... Compression Ignition or Spark Ignition, Direct injection or Carbureted... all ICE engines induce air. HHO simply enriches the air. not the Fuel 1 of your system.
An HHO enriched air mixed with your Fuel 1 will definitely increase combustion or explosion power in your cylinders.
Increased power on the pistons = less knocking = more power on the wheels = increased eficiency = decrease power loss = increase fuel utilization = maximized potential.
ehnriko 3 years ago
sir, gumagamit ka ba ng PWM?
wiwizpot 3 years ago
hinde... PWM is merely to enhance an already efficient cell design. PWM is an option. We have PWM under development stages.
ehnriko 3 years ago
Hi! how many plates (stainless steel) did you use on your electrolyzer? What catalyst did you use for electrolysis? Does it have safety switch as with the Lancer? Today I am getting 10 km/L city on my 2L, is it safe to put that on my ride because i am not sure if my ride is all aluminum engine block or iron type ones. will it damage the interior of the 2L diesel in the long run? Thanks!!!
noelskiph 3 years ago
We are not using pure Hydrogen Gas here.
We are merely enriching the air being sucked by the engine. The same thing occurs with a car running in ground fog... like Tagaytay or Baguio. Do their engines become damage there?
If you are sensitive enough - (normally Race Car Drivers are) - you will be sensitive to changes of engine behavior.
I dont use plates. I use 7 tubes. No Electrolyes or Catalysts, this is bad for the electrodes and they are normally emitting oxides - you dont want that.
ehnriko 3 years ago
I'd lke to know if there is vacuum in the air intake during idle coz I tried HHO in my isuzu deisel engine but I noticed there was no vacuum during idle and there was a backflow of air to my bubbler coming from the air filter preventing HHO to get into the engine.I also noticed that there was a vacuum only when I hit the pedal. Is it the same with revo diesel with regards to the vacuum? take note, brake booster is not applicable in my case...
joerubs2007 3 years ago
You are right, Diesels have weak vacuum during idling, but they seem to have it when you pressure the pedal or throttle.
I believe putting a one way valve (check valve) will fix the problem of back pressure.
ehnriko 3 years ago
Does the diesel seem to have more power? Does it seem to smooth out the diesel knock? It would be nice to have some milage information on that diesel. Befor and after.
crazzieg 3 years ago
The answers to your questions:
1. Yes,
2. Yes,
3. Owner wasnt able to record before consumption per km. But was happy with the improvement of engine performance.
Owner simply fills up tank every time, and it has been recorded that it consumes 8.5km per li.
Yesterday, we improved the hose connection... instead of the T-connection from the breather, we installed it between the air filter and the manifold duct. It still doesnt produce strong vacuum during idling, still subject for improvement.
ehnriko 3 years ago
And hho production l/min please.
valt3r24h 3 years ago
Mpg gain ????????????????
valt3r24h 3 years ago