Brown Gas Generator on Mercedes Benz 300SD Turbodiesel

[jesslessthemess]

wow. either a lot of trolls or ppl easily influenced by sheep. Keep up the good work and thanks for the vid!

[Turbo617]

Can the engine run on the "generator" alone, no diesel fuel? If it can't then the "generator" doesn't work at all.

[LoginInsidelg]

TurboDiesel ....wtf?

[feanforbeans]

Check my 300sd

[2550osiosterdalen]

Hello wufeiph. Have you measured how much fuel you save with your HHO cell? At least ab estimate? I have a MB 300TD 1979 that I will soon get HHO in addition.

[unimogman404]

I am not a big fan of that invention; taking energy from the engine to turn the alternator to produce O2 and H2 , loosing by chemical reaction, heat lost and friction; for me, it doesn't work ! I say if your gas was dont by electricity that comes from the elecrtrobrakes ans solar panel, it could be another story.

[TheChrisMTL]

your hho is very small, It does not affect any

[penetrus]

you have to learn physics. Your generator is to small to anything. Dont be funny.

[halonicballz]

damn noobz big wordz

[etodvs]

Use a solar panel to run the generator, then these homos cant say your engine is working harder to make it lol, thats like losing mpg cuz your radio is on you have a battery for a reason the engine isnt directly powering this thing..

[Turbo617]

Yeah, thats smart, spend $500 on a solar panel capable of producing enough electricity so you can reap the benefits of getting 0.1mpg better economy from your pathetic 2L/m output.

[5845623]

Reference to comments of debunkers of Brown's gas -- if it were up to you guys - the books and maps today would still show the world as flat. It was known the world was flat 500 years ago. Inventors and explorers over the centuries have taken known and settled science and proven it wrong.Usually the people that perpetuate that science and physics are settled and unchangeable have some stake in keeping the staus quo. Keep and open mind and ask thoughtful questions.

[Turbo617]

Blah blah blah blah, 5845623. Its very clear you lack the basic understandings of science. It doesn't take more than a 6th grade level science class to prove it doesn't work.

Electrolysis, what these scam devices work on, has been around for 200 years and its capabilities are very well known.

If these scams actually worked then there would be no need for fossil fuel as producing hydrogen would be cheap and efficient. It isn't cheap or efficient.

[redmax7277]

Take a class on physics there is no need to say anything else... If this principal worked the largest automotive companies would be doing it with the millions they spend on research and development if it was possible it would have been done.

[zech007]

If you do the math, your actually Loosing gas mileage, the alternator has to work harder making the engine to work harder, just to produce hydrogen that dose not benefit anything... PRODUCING BROWN GAS TO IMPROVE MPG = FAIL!!!!

[TheMike42x]

@zech007

really??

em ok

hho makes engine run faster for free, thus giving more power to alternator

and it makes more hho

[Mique7704]

I suggest that the perpetual motion argument (to prove its a hoax) fails to recognize that the HHO can be produced from mechanical energy transferred from engine braking. Thus it may be storing potential energy - converted to chemical energy which is then available to the fuel system. This, combined with the greater combustion efficiency resulting from the introduction of pure H and pure O, may be the reason there is an empirical improvement in gas mileage as reported by lots of people.

[g0ldenSmaug]

Robb,

If there is more oxygen in the combustion chamber than the fuel mix will burn more efficiently then otherwise. Remember, there are three basic elements available, Oxygen, Hydrogen and hydrocarbon. You can pay for better refined fuel to get more oxygen or you can add oxygen via hydrolysis.

I would rather test the proposition by spending all of $25, making a device and comparing the results then simply making assumptions, my high school chemistry isn't that good.

[Robb235]

These don't work....

Think about it. You are claiming to have a perpetual motion machine, which, as we know, cannot exist.

Also, how much hydrogen is your generator producing? Most I have seen produce around 1 or 2 liters per minute. When cruising, your engine can easily consume over 5,600 liters (200 cubic feet) per minute. You really think the very small amount of hydrogen you are producing is making a difference?

It's a scam.

[wufeiph]

I didnt say Im running it pure hydrogen. Can you not understand what I said, I am SUPPLEMENTING my engine with and not running it with pure hydrogen.

[Robb235]

I understand that you're supplementing, but it's still the same concept. You're using electrical energy to convert the water into chemical energy (hydrogen, oxygen), which gets converted into mechanical energy, which spins the alternator to create electrical energy.

Even then, how do you explain the 2 liters of hydrogen per minute that you're producing compared to the thousands of liters of air your car is consuming per minute?

[wufeiph]

how did you know its producing 2 liters p/m? Im not selling this stuff so its not a scam. It simply like trickling the incoming air and adding a little amount of hydrogen. if I introduced so much hydrogen which is not really feasible because simply its no longer running the car anymore with fuel but by electrical energy because of too much current drawn from the battery and alternator, My car would probably backfiring by now. The concept is simply to help the combustion.

[Robb235]

Around 1 to 2 liters per minute is the typical amount of Brown's gas being produced by these contraptions running of the car's electrical system. But hey, let's assume that your device is producing 10 liters per minute (which it's not). The hydrogen would still only make up 0.18% (less than 1 percent) of the total charge in the cylinder. Not enough to change anything.

[Robb235]

I'm really not trying to be an ass, I just want people to understand that these do not work. Your hydrogen generator runs off the alternator, which causes the engine to have to work slightly harder to spin the alternator. So you are converting part of the engine's mechanical energy into electrical energy.

[Robb235]

That electrical energy gets converted to chemical energy, which is burned, and converted back to mechanical energy, and you're losing energy along the way due to friction, heat loss, etc. so if anything, this device is hurting gas mileage, not helping.

[g0ldenSmaug]

Think about it.

By using the alternator to split the water and introducing the gas to the combustion chamber with fuel you are in effect providing more oxygen for the fuel to react with as well as the hydrogen, thus the petrol should burn cleaner and hotter. It is perfectly reasonable to expect greater fuel efficiency and this is not in contravention with the second law of thermodynamics.

[Robb235]

Uh... wrong! Do you think that hydrogen combusts by itself? No. It takes both hydrogen and oxygen to get an implosion. This is what is happening... H2 + O2 => H20 (water) so there is no "extra" oxygen being put in the engine because that is what the hydrogen implodes with.

[Turbo617]

Spot on Robb, I'm glad to finally see somebody that understands basic science.

There is a very easy test. Start the engine and run the "generator" at full power then shut off the engine's fuel supply.

If your scam device actually works and produces enough excess energy to make ANY difference then the engine should, at the very least, continue to idle on its own or run away on the fuel put out by the "generator".

The simple fact it doesn't proves the devices do not work.

[earthgfe]

The Gas is used to supliment the fuel and increase the combustion process it does not replace the fuel . but if it was on CNN you would have to say it must be true I saw it on TV

[Turbo617]

Nobody ever said it was a replacement fuel. My point was that if it doesn't even have enough fuel to idle the engine then its not making enough excess energy to increase mileage at all. It does not alter the combustion process.

Most of what you see on TV isn't accurate, especially from "news" programs.

[2H1O1]

HHO supplements the fuel and increase the combustion process it will not replace fuel. You cant idle the engine with just octan boost but you use it to get more mpg and power.

[Turbo617]

That is false information. It HAS to replace fuel in order to maintain a proper air fuel ratio in a g@s engine. In a Diesel it HAS to replace fuel or the engine will accelerate out of control.

Its very simple, try to keep up.

[2H1O1]

NO! You try to keep up!!!!!

HHO supplements the fuel and increase the combustion process it will not replace fuel,Not yet but it will one day!

[Turbo617]

That is false information. I suggest you study up on the basics of physics and engine operation before you hurt yourself.

[2H1O1]

I can see that you don't know a thing about HHO! You need to test and look it up......It works!

[Turbo617]

That is true.

However, the method these scammers go about producing the hydrogen doesn't work. Using the engine's own power for electrolysis to produce an unstable gas that quickly reforms back to water vapor is counterproductive, you consume more fuel to produce the electricity than is saved from the fuel.

Also, it doesn't work on Diesels, so the entire argument is moot anyways since the video is about a 300SD.

[Turbo617]

Incorrect. Electrolysis is a very inefficient process, 50-70% is average. Also, the resulting gasses are very unstable and quickly recombine back to a stable form (water).

Your video is unscientific and lacks any credible data.

[BlackDogSociety]

@Turbo617 --- Electrolysis uses plates that are either an anode or a cathode. Water is split in the gap between these plates and the resulting H atoms collect at the cathode and combine to make H2, a stable gas. At the anode O collect and combine to form O2, also a stable gas. These gases bubble up to form HHO, Hydroxy, or whatever you want to call it. These gases are stable and the only way they can recombine is by applying enough energy to break the H2 and O2 bonds. The video is valid.

[Turbo617]

HHO does not exist in a stable form, haven't you figured that out yet. What is H2O again?

[BlackDogSociety]

@Turbo617 --- You need physics lessons. Water is 2 atoms of H with one atom of O bonded together ( H-O-H ), HHO is the name given to two separate gases, H2 ( H - H ) and O2 ( O - O). They are not the same thing. To get these gases to unite to form water energy must be supplied, they will not combine on their own.

[Turbo617]

Physics has little to do with it, you need to brush up on your chemistry 101 as its clearly lacking.

The point is moot anyways, you're just a spammer now. :)

[BlackDogSociety]

@Turbo617 --- Spammer? WTF? This isn't spam. Well if it's is chemistry 101 then show your proof. Show how electrolysis produces and unstable gas that quickly recombines into water.

[Turbo617]

Its sure marked as spam.

Open any chemistry 101 student book.

[BlackDogSociety]

@Turbo617 --- Everything I've read or have been taught disproves your statement. Electrolysis makes H2 and O2 gas and these gases need energy or a catalyst to recombine.

[Turbo617]

I find your lack of education disturbing.

[Turbo617]

Seriously, it simply doesn't work. The "generator" on his car is absolutely tiny, so even if it were capable of working, it would be producing less than 1/4L per minute. The engine takes in 1.5L of air every revolution. Thats 487.5L of air per minute AT IDLE.

Even at a stupidly unrealistic production rate (for its size) of 2.0L gas per minute, thats a 1,950:1 air fuel ratio, AT IDLE.

At highway speeds, thats (4,500L/min air consumed at 3k rpm) 2,250:1 A/F ratio!

You what physics, thats proof.

[Turbo617]

...and thats not even taking into account the added airflow of turbo boost, 4,927Liters/Min at 6psi and 3000rpm.

That means his actual air/fuel ratio for the "hydrogen" produced is a staggering 19,708:1 air fuel ratio!

Thats the equivalent A/F ratio of a person ripping a gnarly fart in the Louisiana Superdome!

[BlackDogSociety]

In 1977 NASA showed a significant increase in flame speed with a modest amount of H2 added to the fuel. This increase in FS was used to extend the lean burn range of the fuel which improved performance and reduced emissions. So how much is a modest amount? They used 0.51 lb/hr which translates to .004 LPM from a on-board methanol reformer. Look it up you'll see this is correct.

[Turbo617]

How was this hydrogen produced? By the engine or an external source prior and stored? Did they use a 100mpg carburetor too?

If it worked so well, why 33 years later doesn't every car have a $15 bottle of water with metal plates in it to significantly increase economy and reduce emissions?

A conspiracy by "Big Oil"? Some billionaire bought the patent and is sitting on it? Automakers can't rely on drivers to keep it filled or maintained? Too hard to R&D a jar of water?

Answer: it doesn't work.

[BlackDogSociety]

@Turbo617 --- They used a 1969 high-compression-ratio (10. 5) Cadillac engine with a displacement volume of 7.4liters with an experimental on board steam methanol reformer. As a means of controlling the A/F they replaced the stock carburetor with a low pressure fuel atomized and swirl chamber. Who know why it's not used today, maybe because you would have to carry 2 fuels and at the time that was considered not feasible.

[jesslessthemess]

@Robb235 sry bud, but your reasoning is wrong. the hho adds to the combustion and creates a stronger, more efficient combustion of the chamber's elements. Don't get caught up in the perpetual motion, faraday's law bs. It's the wrong arguement and there is more than enough results to argue for hho's merits

[netguy123]

your simply showing your ignorance .... i have run it on many vehicles and it simply aids the combusiont of fuel and increases horsepower and runs smoother, lower co2 emissions etc.,... THAT'S IT!!! MORON!

[jskgmd]

hi are you selling this kit ? looks like u have modified the air box

[strangelyfeelingfine]

Galing mo Joey! am passing this on to my friends! - JT