@cxoph The Book of The Wars of the Lord are not in the Bible yet Moses teaches from it. The Book of Jasher is mentioned in The Old Testament but is not in the Bible. The Books of Nathan and Gad are not there either. What of The book of The Lord spoken of by Isaiah. All imortant to the prophets, are they false doctrine too?
If God commanded you to do something would you do it? What if it was hard? What if others would ridicule you for it? Joseph only did polygamy because God commanded it. As a true prophet he had no alternative. As for us worshiping Joseph, Joseph said the Atonment of Jesus Christ is the gospel all other principles are apendages to it. Joseph was a wronged man over and over yet hate was foreign to him! He did not know it. He lived for his love for Christ. He died for love of his friends and Chirst.
It's is obvious that Mormons praise this guy Joseph when Jesus is the one who said only through him and nobody else can we be close to the Father We are to beware of false prophets and that is what Joseph smith was, A false prophet! Open ur eyes and stay away from josephs false teachings. He had how many wives? It's so sad that people actually believe this guy who said he saw God. Its God the father God the son and God the holy spirit. It doesn't go on to say God the man named Joseph.
(Matthew 16:18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ"
(1 Cor. 3:11). The church has been "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone" (Eph. 2:2).
The book of mormon is not a record of the former inhabitants of the american indians. It has the wrong people,wrong crops,wrong animals,wrong metals, wrong architecture. The Book of Mormon fails to mention a geographical location that can be identified, fails to mention native animals instead it has animals mentioned that are not found in the time frame. The events of this fictional story have sparked imaginations, numerous models for where it took place. pure BS.
Catholicism is the universal Church of Christ. Yes it's going through problems right now, but it will certainly rebound. It has survived for 2000 years and after each rough patch it improves itself. Mormons have yet to deal with issues associated with size and clout comparable to the Catholic Church. It will never have the same history (saints, martyrs, wars, trials, etc) as the Catholic Church; and will never have the mystery, experience, knowledge associated with it. And will thus fall short.
How can people be so deceived by things like Mormonism and Catholicism and the other perverted doctrine like Universal salvation. they are all lies and people need to truely get saved and if they are saved actually let in the truth.
Throughout Richmond, Missouri, David Whitmer was known as an honest and trustworthy citizen by the non-Mormons. When one anti-Mormon lectured in David's hometown, branding David as disreputable, the local (non-Mormon) paper responded with "a spirited front-page editorial unsympathetic with Mormonism but insistent on 'the forty six years of private citizenship on the part of David Whitmer, in Richmond, without stain or blemish.'"31
Can i just say one thing: Joseph smith had 33 wives (this alone is indefensible). One was 14, and most were wives taken from other men. If you ask me, this man is not very Christ-like. Also, Smith's first and favorite wife (the one who helped transcribe the gold plates) left the church after he died, hmm..
This is in addition to writing the "Book of Mormon", in which nothing can be proven and much can be falsified. Sorry LDS friends, you are very kind, but i think you are very misguided.
@teahouse100 I'm not a Mormon, but I have a few things to say on this matter. Polygamy is not forbidden by Jesus Christ in the Bible. It was a common practice in Old Testament times. So marrying 33 women certainly isn't wrong from a Biblical perspective. The only reason monogamy is so common in the Western world is because of Roman practices. Joseph Smith's first wife never stopped believing in Joseph Smith's teachings. She and her son helped form the RLDS church which also accepted the BoM.
@teahouse100 Would you care to also talk about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the other Prophets of God in the Old Testament who were commanded by God to practice polygamy? Do you or I understand the practice? No, of course not, especially if you are a Westerner born in the 20th century. To us, the practice is odd at best and looks to be the product of lust or power gone bad.
However, as I've stated in this video, I know Joseph to be who he claimed to be. You can know that, too, God willing.
@DefendingMormonism Emma (the first wife) did in fact leave the church after Joseph died and doubted the succession of "prophets". Joseph wasn't unique by any stretch and if you read about US religion during that period, you'll understand that new religions and "prophets" were extremely popular. Secondly, are you defending polygamy? Yes it was practiced over 2000 years ago in ancient Israel, but are you seriously making an argument for polygamy in 19th century America?
@teahouse100 I don't think I said Joseph was the only innovative religious individual of the time. As I mentioned, Emma remained a follower of the Latter-Day saint movement, supporting her son, Joseph Smith III, as leader of the RLDS church. I'm not defending the modern practice of polygamy. I'm only saying that it is perfectly acceptable for Christians to practice polygamy as there is no Biblical prohibition of it. The first religion to limit polygamy was Islam.
@DefendingMormonism You and this topic make me sick, no where in the bible says that God commanded poly, God dealt with it just like any other sin in our lives, God never blessed poly, nor will he ever. You are and idiot for trying to justify your false prophet by bringing what other men did in th ot, without Gods right to practice it.
@DefendingMormonism yeah but those are all characters in a book, i know you can do it guys. i mean i've heard of star wars nerds getting into those movies but seriously mormons are some hardcore fantasy fans
@teahouse100 Emma Smith actually only left the "church" because of the succession crisis, not because she thought the church was created on false claims. She never denied the authenticity of the book of mormon and maintained that until her death. I have also read that she claimed joseph never practiced polygamy. correct me if i am wrong
@adamholzer1992 If she claimed Joseph never practiced polygamy she's obviously lying because there were eyewitness accounts of her observing the "marriages" being performed.
People have used those same lame arguements for over 100 years . Don't you have anything that hasn't been answered already . Again explain where the Book of Mormon Another Testimony of Jesus Christ came from . It's not from any 1800's man or group of men .
What a horrible argument... Our church has grown from 6 members to over 13 million! since the 1830s. and will continue to grow with many more untill the second coming. I have heard many foolish things said about our church but this has to be one of the dumbest.
Whether or not you think it's horrible or not has no impact on it's validity. It's only dumb to you because you're unable to understand how irrational your church's claims are.
By the way, of those supposed 13 million members, less than half are active. The per-missionary baptism rate is HALF of what it was in 1990. Your only areas of growth are where there's no internet. So you can claim that you're going to grow "many more", but it's simply not the case.
@ZelphKinderhook The reason we do not have many members is because many are decieved by Satan. Satan is the perfect deciever. While you attack others, you fall into the trap. You have no idea how sad it makes me to see the bitterness. I post a few messages once in while to try to give people hope. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged. Jesus is about Love and it is those who relise that who truly know God. Christ Church 2000 years ago did not have many members, nothing has changed.
Deceived by Satan, huh? That's about the silliest thing ever!
Let's put Moroni's challenge to the test, shall we? Moroni 10:3-5 says that if you ask God with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith, the truth of all things will be manifest unto you thru the power of the holy ghost. Right?
Problem is, people in many other religions, Christian or otherwise, get the same powerful feeling of the holy ghost when they pray, too.
@ZelphKinderhook I can't help you, only God can do that. You are not willing to listen, I can''t help. I will pray for you. Jesus is about Love. Good Luck and God bless. You have your freedom to believe what you want. I am not wanted and I will withdraw my spirit. Pray and be humble for God loves you. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.
I don't need any help... YOU do. You're the one who's ignoring the obvious: that your test for knowing the truth obviously doesn't work. I really feel sorry for you that you are so misguided and foolish. I hope that someday you'll take a real, honest look at your faith and use some logic, too. You too can know that you're in a false religion. Good luck.
@mollymu1 Pardon? The book of Mormon was invented by Joseph Smith. This is plain as day, since much of the claims in the book are simply untrue. The religion gained popularity by riding on the coat tails of Christianity and providing "bonuses" such as other "testimonies" and different theories about the nature of God(s) and man becoming Gods, levels of heaven, etc. Explain to me again, why we need another testimony of Jesus Christ - so the Bible as the Word of God is insufficient?
@teahouse100 The pope and the priests of the Catholic church are not living the gospel of Jesus Christ, and that the Catholic church is NOT the same organization that Christ set up on the earth. Paul warned in his epistles, that the apostate church could be recognized by refusing some to marry. Could this mean priests? I believe it does.
2 Thesalonians 2:3 For that day [second coming] shall not come except there come a falling away [apostacy] from the truth first.
@LDS4Life71 But Mormons are living the Gospel? You live a different Gospel, not Jesus Christ's. Remember how Jesus said nobody can enter the kingdom but through me.. This doesn't mean.. through the weird church ordinances of the LDS Church, and not through the BoM, not through the Pearl of Great Price, and not through your modern "prophet's" declarations. Are you claiming that Jesus came to earth, and immediately after the church was corrupted? Please, give the Lord some credit.
@LDS4Life71 Joseph smith was a con-artist if there ever was one: 1) treasure hunter 2) convicted of fraud 3) a politician 4) had a "divine insight" for polygamy 5) made-up stories about "reformed" egyptian, gold plates, jews in the americas; and the rest of it. 6) shot and killed at least 1 man right before his death (Ok he was being attacked by a mob; but still, you consider this guy a holy prophet and founder of your church!!).
Even mormons have to now claim that he was a "fallen prophet".
@teahouse100 In my research I found independent accounts from people saying how Joseph Smith had performed many healing miracles similar to that in the new testament through laying on of hands. He cured deafness, severe illness like cholorea on several people, and the accounts are all genuine, I ask you do supernatural healing miracles sound like the work of a conman and a liar to you?
@LDS4Life71 Sorry, nobody can be healed except through God.. and since Jesus Christ was God; He did not use some form of "magic" to heal people. That is, people cannot perform supernatural feats - they are confined to the laws of nature. So to answer your question "yes" I do think Joseph's healing tricks were the work of a con man.
@teahouse100 Well it's true, they bash and talk trash and make false truths and lies about us. The facts still remain facts. Jesus Christ started a church with a Foundation of Apostles with authority to recieve the revelation to lead His sheep. But that foundation was killed off and the Apostacy begun.
Joseph Smith restrored the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Lord Commanded it to be so. The restoration is biblical.
@LDS4Life71 Jesus Christ believed that you didn't need church ordinances in order to be saved. He was the only way; and it is through Grace which we are saved. Until you realize that your church and your "prophet" cannot save you, and that Jesus Christ is all you need - you will never be living any form of the Gospel.
@teahouse100 They cannot save us. They are the priesthood holders of the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ has the witnesses on the earth today, and they testify of the divinity of Jesus Christ, and He has spoken to them audibly, and lie not. You are on the wrong side, and have not entered at the straight gate which leads to life according to Matt 7.
@LDS4Life71 Your descendants are akin to FLDS. I'm certain Joseph Smith was no different than Warren Jeffs - The similarities are quite striking actually. And Jeff's followers still believe that he is a "prophet" and has divine providence - even though he's in Jail!! Sorry, I'm not on the wrong side :)
@teahouse100 go ahead, you write a book similar in style and content to the Book of Mormon, use the internet, use the library of Congress for all I care, your premise projects three years of education, so that fits. you have 90 days, you have to dictate the book to a scribe from behind a curtain and can make no corrections or edits. go ahead, make my day, save me from my fallacy.
@wjsprsn Oscar Wild wrote "Portrait of Dorian Gray" in one sitting.. and far more people have read this than the BofM. Secondly, I don't get what the point of me writing a BoM is? Anyone can write a feel good story - this doesn't mean it's true. At least the Bible cannot be disproved, and there is much archeological and historical evidence for its claims. I'm sorry, but this cannot be said for the BoM; actually, much of it has been disproved. So I don't need 90 days because it's self-evident.
Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
I can't believe you Mormons. The evidence is overwhelming against you, but you people insist that you are members of the true church. In Joe's time, there was no complete falling away of the faith. The Bible tells us to be ware of people bringing to us another gospel. Mormonism IS that other gospel Jesus warned us about. Mormons, REPENT! Works will get you no where. Can you keep all the commandments in of the church? no. It's impossible. We are saved through faith and the grace of Jesus. PERIOD!
@sirhood2 Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
@sirhood2 Repentance is a work . You have to have works . Anything else is silly . Why didn't the 5 foolish virgins just say . Hey Bridegroom we believe in you ,,, Boom OK you can come in also .
N.T. Wright, Anglican Bishop of Durham, in his book "Surprised by Hope," discusses the Bible's actual teaching about the Resurrection and the ultimate destiny of mankind and the earth, and concludes, like Joseph Smith, that the earth will be heaven for the righteous resurrected.
He argues that this realization should make us feel responsible for caring for the earth as our eternal home, rather than something we plan to desert forever after death, which is the basic understanding of most traditional Christians these days.
@gtuk12 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
I thank you for that. nothing strengthens my testimony more than a valiant man standing righteous in the way of the Lord. I love you as my sibling, and the Lord truly loves you as a valiant servant!
@DefendingMormonism Please explain something to me. After reviewing all the evidence against the Mormon church, how can anyone in their right mind still accept Joe as a true prophet and believe the Mormon church to be the TRUE church, when all the evidence proves that is is a cult? The Bible talks about people coming to you bringing you ANOTHER gospel. Mormonism IS that other gospel. It is NOT from Heavenly Father. It is from Hell, and it will take you to hell if you don't repent!
@sirhood2 yeah, so hellish, teaches love one another, Families are important, look after your bodies, help those who are in need of help, Believe in God and that he has a plan for us and that we are all children of God. That sound just awful.
@ZelphKinderhook so by saying there are horses in the BOM your point is because something feels good and does good doesn't mean its true????... I can just imagine you waking up in the middle of the night with that epiphany. "I've got it, theres horses in the BOM so therefore because something feels good and does good doesn't mean its true, why am i even here, what are words? Oh i'm so happy, i can't even feel my arms"! Deep stuff bro.
@ZelphKinderhook Don't get narky, after all, just because something feels good and does good, doesn't mean it's true lalalalala horses lalalala bees lalalalala ZelphKinderhook is a big boy now and has a belly button.
@sirhood2 It also talks about Another Angel flying , having the everlasting gospel. Read the whole Bible again not just what someone tells you to read to try and prove us wrong . Thanks
@gtuk12 It doesn´t have to be an exclusion. I felt the light of Christ on the LDS church. But mainly the light of Christ lives in our heart not in the heart of those evil people who regards negative statement cause of his bitterness and zealousness or whatever evil purpose. They are the true workers for Satan.
@gtuk12 Hey we are here for you . Whatever is holding you back from joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints talk with a member or some missionaries and they'll be able to help you . That is the reason you are here . Just hope one day you can have the joy only the members of the Lord Jesus Christ's true Church can receive , members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints . We have something you are jealous of but it doens't have to be that way .
Very nice video. How many versions of the first Vision were there? I thought there were at least 3 with some discrepancies between them. Is that true or false?
@videogigante "During a 10-year period (1832–42), Joseph Smith wrote or dictated at least four accounts of the First Vision. These accounts are similar in many ways, but they include some differences in emphasis and detail. These differences are complementary. Together, his accounts provide a more complete record of what occurred. The 1838 account found in the Pearl of Great Price is the primary source referred to in the Church."
@DefendingMormonism Why does the church not mension the fact that the very first vision included Smith seeing a pillar of fire? Why was left out? Why did Young change Smith's testimony of the first vision?
That's false- you see, waht happened was, well, you know when you write a journal entry you sometimes leave things out and remember things and rewrite the entry, that's what happened. hope that helps, but hey, don't believe me ask the Lord yourself for the answer. If anyone knows the answer, He will!
@videogigante The first vision was revised by Brigham Young. In Joe's first vision, he said he saw a pillar of fire come down and he saw ONE person. Young re wrote it to say that it was a pillar of light, and Joe saw two personages. I tend to believe the first one. After Joe was told not to join any other the sects because they were all wrong, why then did Joe join the Methodist church, in direct conflict of what his god had told him? Odd! He is a false prophet. PERIOD!
No the differences between them are cause some were written by others besides Joseph . Just read the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ with an open mind and you'll know . Take Care.
@videogigante true. in the first recorded account by smith, the Lord (alone) appeared... told him he was forgiven of all sins. another explains 2 unidentified personages told him he was forgiven and Jesus is the son of God. now the church explains that God and Jesus appeared and told him all churches are corrupt. i'm sure God and Jesus appearing to you would be important enough to include in any account you gave of such a vision... it being true and all.
Or have they taken gods from the earth who raise (the dead).
22-if there had been in them any gods except allah, they would both have certainly been in a state of disorder; therefore glory be to allah, the lord of the dominion, above what they attribute (to him).
have certainly been in a state of disorder; therefore glory be to allah, the lord of the dominion, above what they attribute (to him).
23-he cannot be questioned concerning what he does and they shall be questioned.
24-or, have they taken gods besides him? Say: bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! Most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.
Or, have they taken gods besides him? Say: bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! Most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.
Brother, I don't know who you are or where you live but know that your work has uplifted my soul. Your videos are wonderful and they bring joy to my heart and tears to my eyes when I view them! Especially this video, it reminds me why we are so thankful to have a Prophet in these Latter Days!
@ViCe1986 Appreciate your support. This video was inspired by the book "Rough Stone Rolling" by Richard Lyman Bushman and by Joseph Smith's amazing life, of course. I KNOW that he was who he claimed to be: Prophet of God, disciple of Jesus Christ, and Witness for God to all of mankind.
@DefendingMormonism If Joe was a true prophet of god, then why did 99% of all his prophesies fail? Because he was a prophet of Satan. Remember, he was a mason. Masons are not Christians. All the rituals you people do in the temples are derived from Masonry! Such as the oath of silence lest you get your throat cut from ear to ear, or your guts cut out and spilled on the ground. And what happened to the temple he prophsied would be biult in Misouri? The temple lot? I still hasn't been built!
@sirhood2 Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
@ViCe1986 You like your prophets? How about THIS! Your late prophet Hinkley said that the jesus you Mormons worship is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. You mormons have a different jesus who's blood is not sufficient to cleans us from ALL our sins. My Jesus, on the otherhand, is alive and well. You believe your god came down and had physical sex with Marry. That is BLASPHAMY! The Holy Ghost game down and did it. You cannot become gods. Smith was a lier and a blasphemer!
@sirhood2 Hey we are here for you . Whatever is holding you back from joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints talk with a member or some missionaries and they'll be able to help you . That is the reason you are here . Just hope one day you can have the joy only the members of the Lord Jesus Christ's true Church can receive , members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints . We have something you are jealous of but it doens't have to be that way .
@ScienceReasonBelief People have been trying for almost 200 years, yet the work of God continues to move forward. Some have spent their entire lives fighting against God's church with no long-term success. As time moves forward, the Prophet Joseph will continue to be vindicated and revered for his devotion to our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, and his willingness to do all that was asked of him as Prophet of God.
"work of God".... there's no proof that Mormonism is the work of God.
"continues to move forward"... at an extremely slow pace. after 180 years, Mormons only make up LESS than 1/4 of 1 percent of the world's population The rate of growth is even slower now in areas where the internet exists.
"Joseph will continue to be vindicated"... you're kidding, right? No vindication of him exists... just more proof of his deceptions.
@ScienceReasonBelief we don't expect it to cover the whole world. In fact, we believe the opposite; that even when Christ comes again, the Church will be relatively small. "And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few" - 2 Ne. 14. Could you point to a specific example of what you see as "proof of his deceptions"? Finally, the Book of Mormon is the best proof that this is the work of God.
If you don't expect it to cover the whole earth then stop bragging about your growth. Most Mormons love to claim how fast their church is growing, but when confronted with the truth, just like you they back-pedal.
Deception of Smith? Why, the Book of Mormon. It is it's own best proof that it's fictional, and that Smith is a false prophet. Google BofM anachronisms for a sample. Then there's the "Book of Abraham" which is anything but, & of course the Kinderhook plates. Many more too!
@ScienceReasonBelief The growth thing is an oversimplification. It's also not worth discussing.
With the book of Mormon, try googling A Choice Land or FairMormon anachronism.
The fragments we have of the papyri are from the Book of Breathings, but there were (according to contemporary eyewitnesses) far more than is extant. Calculations show at least 40 feet
The Kinderhook plates were a forgery to trick Joseph. They failed, because he never even tried to translate them
1. I was accidentally using my sister's account; I didn't notice that she logged in.
2. I guess I should explain growth better. What I mean, by "an oversimplification" is that although we don't expect the Church to convert everyone, or be particularly large, we do expect the Restored Gospel to go to all lands (which it is increasingly doing), and we expect great success in those who are prepared to receive the word (which is not a falsifiable hypothesis).
Better get a move on. Your church is slowing down quite a bit. Your per-missionary baptism rate is half of what it was in 1990. There's only so much crazy religion that the world can handle...
As you obviously didn't read what I said, let me repeat it for you.
Although we don't expect the Church to convert everyone, or be particularly large, we do expect the Restored Gospel to go to all lands (which it is increasingly doing), and we expect great success in those who are prepared to receive the word (*which is not a falsifiable hypothesis*).
There is nothing here which can be rationally contradicted, snide remarks notwithstanding.
I'll well aware of FARMS and FAIR. Despite their efforts, there's nothing convincing about their "research". When you begin with the end in mind, your findings will always be suspect.
Regardless of how much of the papyri was "extant", Smith got that Facsimile dead wrong.
It's also been well documented that Smith was indeed fooled by the Kinderhook plates. You're wrong on this too. Smith's secretary Wm. Clayton, as well of the official History of the Church, contradict you.
No, I'm not assuming. The papyri that were re-discovered have no mention of Abraham in them, and they also have been dated to a time that is 1500 years AFTER the life of Abraham. While it's true that not all of the papyri have been re-discovered (and are probably long-gone), what has been recovered bears no resemblance to the "translation" that Joseph Smith made--neither the fragments of the writings, nor the facsimiles. That's not assuming.
Wrong again, kiddo. Given that the papyri were dated as being 1500 years after Abraham's death, and that they were found in Thebes, EGYPT, written in Egyptian, it's very safe to say that Joseph Smith made the whole thing up. Papyri tend to be homogenous in their subject matter...the likelihood that a missing piece might have been soooo different-- about a man who was dead for 1500 years and was also from a different country than Egypt, is close to zero.
You're not very smart, are you? Think of it this way... what are the chances of you discovering an ancient record there in the 408 area code... the record is in English, but it's about a guy who lived 1,500 years ago in Mazatlan, Mexico?
And just like the Book of Mormon, there are no mainstream archeologists who think that Smith's version of the papyri has any credibility. There's an obvious reason why only Mormons believe in it!
You're kidding, right? The argument didn't change, I simply restated it to help you comprehend. Read back again and you're see. Sometimes it helps if you mouth the words as you read... you might understand faster.
you changed it from it not being the same text to it being written in Egypt not Hebrew so could not be associated with Abraham. I'm sure you deny the NT as it is in greek... not hebrew.
I don't believe in the bible as a religious document, so that's irrelevant.
What I said was that Smith got the description of the facsimiles wrong, and that the surviving fragments have nothing to do with Abraham. I also said that it's extremely unlikely that an Egyptian papyri would have info about an Israelite who lived 1,500 years prior to that papyri being written. That's not a change, it's an additional fact against the Book of Abraham being true.
Well the bible is a religious document weather you believe in it or not... your point is null and void. sorry.
and of course it is going to be in Egyptian... that is like digging up something in California that is 1000 years old and expecting it to be written in Spanish. Abraham was in Egypt... so it is very likely he would be in an Egyptian writing.
Um, no, it's not very likely that he would be in an Egyptian writing. What are you talking about? Abraham had almost no impact on Egyptian culture or history.
The Bible may be a religious document, but that doesn't mean it's the actual word of god.
I've never claimed the bible to be the Word of God... you have me confused for someone else. But seeing as Abraham is a key figure in hebrew culture (you can not deny that) he could be found anywhere he went.
Look, you're not very good at this. Maybe you should study more before you debate.
You're the confused one- since I never said you claimed the bible was the word of god.
But since you're putting caps on "Word of God", I'll bet you do believe it is!
Abraham might be a key figure in Jewish culture, but he obviously wouldn't be a key figure in Egyptian culture. Whether he was even IN Egypt is contested by scholars, despite the Bible's story.
Yeah, it figures. It figures because I find your arguments to be juvenile, poorly thought out, and a waste of my time. You obviously know nothing about the culture of Egypt and very little about Abraham. I find it boring to try to reason with someone who has very little education on the topic. So yeah, it figures.
I've never claimed a lack of proof proves my point son. Stop telling everyone you proved a negative and strutting around like a cock in the hen house... cause you got egg all over your face bro. Your lack of is very weak. Even you know that yet you continue on like you are the know all end all.
Stop changing the argument to fit your point... that is elementary son. come up with some context or go home and cry to mom.
@ScienceReasonBelief You realize that that's exactly your method? You a priori assume the Church is wrong, and look for whatever findings you can.
Why is "extant" in quotes? It's a real word, being used properly. There are lots of reasons why modern Egyptologists would disagree with Smith: chief being that, when pressed, they can't even agree with each other. I can't name sources off the top of my head, but if you want I'll dig them up.
Re: the Kinderhook, I was half wrong. Joseph tried to translate the plates with conventional means, ie. his knowledge of Hebrew. He didn't declare it to be true though. The History of the Church is not a very reliable history. Scholars inside and out of the church agree on that. Clayton's statement is the statement in HotC, switched into first person. Finally, there's no reason Joseph can't make a mistake in scholarship. He wasn't a scholar, tried, misread the plates.
You seem to be confused. How could Smith have "translated" the Kinderhook plates thru his knowledge of Hebrew, when first, he knew very little Hebrew, and second, the Kinderhook plates were a forgery based upon characters from a Chinese tea box?
"No reason Joseph can't make a mistake" ... seriously??? When you claim to be a prophet, you HAVE to get it right!
You have to get prophecy right. When you're screwing around in a language you hardly know, that's your own choice. In my own experience knowing a dead language, it's not terribly hard, when you want to read something beyond your capacity, to read things that aren't there. With a man who wasn't particularly literate in English either, I can see how that sort of thing could happen. We don't expect a prophet to never make mistakes in his personal attempts at scholarship.
@3min46sec And as I said elsewhere, I'm done arguing with you. Feel free to take the last word. I (and I assume you also) have better things to do than check YouTube several times a day to argue with a man with whom it seems I will never reach any sort of agreement.
Well, except that Hebrew isn't a dead language. It's spoken every day by millions of people. And as I've said before, the Kinderhook plates were NOT written in Hebrew, so Smith's knowledge of it is irrelevant. You really ought to study more about this before you try to defend your church.
When you take that 1/4 of 1 percent is 14.4 million people and is the second fastest growing faith in the US as well as the fastest growing faith in the world.
Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world. Even among Christian religions, Mormonism isn't 1st or 2nd. That would be the 7th Day Adventists & the Assemblies of God. In fact, USA Today says the Adventists grow 75% faster than Mormons... & they don't even have a missionary force!
Plus, your per missionary baptism rate is HALF of what it was 20 years ago. And only half of your 14 million go to church.
@ZelphKinderhook Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
The Book of Mormon is a mish-mash, with likely contributors being Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, & prob parts of a manuscript by Solomon Spaulding, as well as Ethan Smith's book "View of the Hebrews" & of course the Bible. Emma Smith & Martin Harris were scribes as well as the above, leading to various "wordprint" styles in the book.
The BofM is also filled with many problematic anachronisms, such as horses, cows, elephants, steel, silk, barley, etc.
@DefendingMormonism What about the fact that Smith and his brother had guns and Smith killed two of his attackers before they broke down the door to the cell and killed them? Yes, Smith and his brother DID have guns. That is a matter of history. proven. If they didn't have guns, then who shot those two attackers dead?
The Mormon church recently launched a new ad campaign in nine U.S. cities that show regular people talking about their lives and hobbies before announcing near the end of the spots that they are Mormons.
It is amazing what a few little sisters here and in each unit can do to help others through the humanitarian program,” said Lucy Lake, president of the Relief Society.
The church has a standard that lists what items should be included in the kits so that everything is standard. We are going to try and make as many as we can this year,” said Zoe Rohner.
According to the church's national newsletter, 104,924 hygiene kits have been sent to Haiti from the distribution center.
In a past project, the society made 70 quilts that were given to the Palm Springs Police Department to keep in the trunks of their cars and hand out to children in crisis situations.
"He was fearless," Elder Nelson said of Elder Ringger's role in helping establish the Church in Eastern Europe. "He loved the people he served, he loved his wife and he loved his children. "He was uniquely equipped with everything that was needed to assist the Twelve Apostles."
In addition to being an engineer and architect, Elder Ringger was a retired colonel of the Swiss army and served as a member of the constitutional council, city council and held many other responsibilities in the political arena.
Suzanne Whitehead, a junior at Brigham Young University in Utah is double majoring in international relations and sociocultural anthropology. She says that as the semester begins to wind down she pulls all nighters as frequently as once a week. But she has never drunk coffee, an energy drink or even a soda to help her get through those long nights.
Family home evening shows children that family matters most.
"To combat the worlds evil influences, we need the strength that comes from family home evening," said President James E. Faust in a June 2003 Ensign article.
The church has testified of the blessings of family home evening for generations, but recently other organizations have begun to sing the praises of family night as well. For example, toy company Hasbro has built an advertising campaign around the idea of family game night. The company may be in it to make a few dollars, but the idea is sound.
I am Al B.Nausceous. I have started a lesser-known religion called "gratify". It involves people worshipping me, giving me money, allowing me to be the only one allowed to break all the strict rules. I have a BOG to explain all. The rules are : 1) Worship "dunga" 10 times a day, only wearing blue, as that is the colour of purity. 2) No sex outside marriage, a common one that as all religions are obsessed by sex. 3) give 15% of your earning s for life to the church. Speak later humble servants.
@omiolo There you go, you just oproved my point. The mere fact that i mention the word sex brings about palpitations and a seething anger boils, as you canmnot wait to express your distain for me. I only said the word sex. I did not mention my opinions on the matter, merely the word. You really are obsessed. Thanks, that was an easy one!
@omiolo more capitals.clearly cannot express yourself so you choose to just shout. still no answers to a single question i have posed. thats normal actually when debating close-minded religious wish-thinkers . Don't usually resort to personal abuse, but you really have contributed nothing to this discussion so i give up. i cannot claim victory, as you have not replied to anything, so it was too one-sided. anyway, good night.
"We live in a world that is seemingly confused and chaotic and we have so many things that are pressing on us. How does one deal with all of this?" He asked. "It is the grace of Christ that enables us to do good things and become better than we ever could do or become in our own capacity and strength alone."
suka born every day..wow..
ralphlow187 1 week ago
If it is not from the Holy Bible it's false Doctrine. Jesus is the son of God!!! Amen
cxoph 1 month ago
@cxoph The Book of The Wars of the Lord are not in the Bible yet Moses teaches from it. The Book of Jasher is mentioned in The Old Testament but is not in the Bible. The Books of Nathan and Gad are not there either. What of The book of The Lord spoken of by Isaiah. All imortant to the prophets, are they false doctrine too?
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dorisfenella 1 month ago
If God commanded you to do something would you do it? What if it was hard? What if others would ridicule you for it? Joseph only did polygamy because God commanded it. As a true prophet he had no alternative. As for us worshiping Joseph, Joseph said the Atonment of Jesus Christ is the gospel all other principles are apendages to it. Joseph was a wronged man over and over yet hate was foreign to him! He did not know it. He lived for his love for Christ. He died for love of his friends and Chirst.
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ThrillerMJfan 3 months ago
It's is obvious that Mormons praise this guy Joseph when Jesus is the one who said only through him and nobody else can we be close to the Father We are to beware of false prophets and that is what Joseph smith was, A false prophet! Open ur eyes and stay away from josephs false teachings. He had how many wives? It's so sad that people actually believe this guy who said he saw God. Its God the father God the son and God the holy spirit. It doesn't go on to say God the man named Joseph.
snappy5 5 months ago
@snappy5 We have him in high steem. You were feed by antimormon information.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
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teahouse100 5 months ago
(Matthew 16:18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ"
(1 Cor. 3:11). The church has been "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone" (Eph. 2:2).
CTS2433 6 months ago
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teahouse100 5 months ago
The book of mormon is not a record of the former inhabitants of the american indians. It has the wrong people,wrong crops,wrong animals,wrong metals, wrong architecture. The Book of Mormon fails to mention a geographical location that can be identified, fails to mention native animals instead it has animals mentioned that are not found in the time frame. The events of this fictional story have sparked imaginations, numerous models for where it took place. pure BS.
kramd1 6 months ago
Catholicism is the universal Church of Christ. Yes it's going through problems right now, but it will certainly rebound. It has survived for 2000 years and after each rough patch it improves itself. Mormons have yet to deal with issues associated with size and clout comparable to the Catholic Church. It will never have the same history (saints, martyrs, wars, trials, etc) as the Catholic Church; and will never have the mystery, experience, knowledge associated with it. And will thus fall short.
teahouse100 6 months ago
How can people be so deceived by things like Mormonism and Catholicism and the other perverted doctrine like Universal salvation. they are all lies and people need to truely get saved and if they are saved actually let in the truth.
srry3 6 months ago
He died with a peaceful light smile in his face!
dorisfenella 6 months ago
Throughout Richmond, Missouri, David Whitmer was known as an honest and trustworthy citizen by the non-Mormons. When one anti-Mormon lectured in David's hometown, branding David as disreputable, the local (non-Mormon) paper responded with "a spirited front-page editorial unsympathetic with Mormonism but insistent on 'the forty six years of private citizenship on the part of David Whitmer, in Richmond, without stain or blemish.'"31
scottwins2 7 months ago
Can i just say one thing: Joseph smith had 33 wives (this alone is indefensible). One was 14, and most were wives taken from other men. If you ask me, this man is not very Christ-like. Also, Smith's first and favorite wife (the one who helped transcribe the gold plates) left the church after he died, hmm..
This is in addition to writing the "Book of Mormon", in which nothing can be proven and much can be falsified. Sorry LDS friends, you are very kind, but i think you are very misguided.
teahouse100 7 months ago 8
@teahouse100 I'm not a Mormon, but I have a few things to say on this matter. Polygamy is not forbidden by Jesus Christ in the Bible. It was a common practice in Old Testament times. So marrying 33 women certainly isn't wrong from a Biblical perspective. The only reason monogamy is so common in the Western world is because of Roman practices. Joseph Smith's first wife never stopped believing in Joseph Smith's teachings. She and her son helped form the RLDS church which also accepted the BoM.
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dorisfenella 6 months ago
@teahouse100 Would you care to also talk about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the other Prophets of God in the Old Testament who were commanded by God to practice polygamy? Do you or I understand the practice? No, of course not, especially if you are a Westerner born in the 20th century. To us, the practice is odd at best and looks to be the product of lust or power gone bad.
However, as I've stated in this video, I know Joseph to be who he claimed to be. You can know that, too, God willing.
DefendingMormonism 6 months ago 12
@DefendingMormonism Emma (the first wife) did in fact leave the church after Joseph died and doubted the succession of "prophets". Joseph wasn't unique by any stretch and if you read about US religion during that period, you'll understand that new religions and "prophets" were extremely popular. Secondly, are you defending polygamy? Yes it was practiced over 2000 years ago in ancient Israel, but are you seriously making an argument for polygamy in 19th century America?
teahouse100 6 months ago
@teahouse100 I don't think I said Joseph was the only innovative religious individual of the time. As I mentioned, Emma remained a follower of the Latter-Day saint movement, supporting her son, Joseph Smith III, as leader of the RLDS church. I'm not defending the modern practice of polygamy. I'm only saying that it is perfectly acceptable for Christians to practice polygamy as there is no Biblical prohibition of it. The first religion to limit polygamy was Islam.
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@teahouse100 Joseph Smith was indeed unique to the people of his day. He saw God the FATHER ,and JESUS CHRIST his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@DefendingMormonism You and this topic make me sick, no where in the bible says that God commanded poly, God dealt with it just like any other sin in our lives, God never blessed poly, nor will he ever. You are and idiot for trying to justify your false prophet by bringing what other men did in th ot, without Gods right to practice it.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@DefendingMormonism yeah but those are all characters in a book, i know you can do it guys. i mean i've heard of star wars nerds getting into those movies but seriously mormons are some hardcore fantasy fans
xmasterfunk 3 months ago
@teahouse100 Emma Smith actually only left the "church" because of the succession crisis, not because she thought the church was created on false claims. She never denied the authenticity of the book of mormon and maintained that until her death. I have also read that she claimed joseph never practiced polygamy. correct me if i am wrong
adamholzer1992 5 months ago
@adamholzer1992 If she claimed Joseph never practiced polygamy she's obviously lying because there were eyewitness accounts of her observing the "marriages" being performed.
teahouse100 5 months ago
@adamholzer1992 Well Joseph Smith never "CHEATED" on his wife. Joseph was only creating children with Emma. One of whom the anti mormons killed.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@teahouse100 type in "joseph fought polygamy" in google and look at the first link. its pretty interesting
adamholzer1992 5 months ago
Go watch ANY video on Mormonmessages and see how you think after that .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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I did... left me depressed...
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teahouse100 6 months ago
People have used those same lame arguements for over 100 years . Don't you have anything that hasn't been answered already . Again explain where the Book of Mormon Another Testimony of Jesus Christ came from . It's not from any 1800's man or group of men .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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Oh really? Lame, huh? They must be so lame, that's why less than 1/4 of ONE percent of the world is mormon!
Don't you get it? If you really had the truth, you'd have far more members. Talk about a lack of reality.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
What a horrible argument... Our church has grown from 6 members to over 13 million! since the 1830s. and will continue to grow with many more untill the second coming. I have heard many foolish things said about our church but this has to be one of the dumbest.
iwasmuted4 7 months ago
@iwasmuted4
Whether or not you think it's horrible or not has no impact on it's validity. It's only dumb to you because you're unable to understand how irrational your church's claims are.
By the way, of those supposed 13 million members, less than half are active. The per-missionary baptism rate is HALF of what it was in 1990. Your only areas of growth are where there's no internet. So you can claim that you're going to grow "many more", but it's simply not the case.
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teahouse100 6 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook The reason we do not have many members is because many are decieved by Satan. Satan is the perfect deciever. While you attack others, you fall into the trap. You have no idea how sad it makes me to see the bitterness. I post a few messages once in while to try to give people hope. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged. Jesus is about Love and it is those who relise that who truly know God. Christ Church 2000 years ago did not have many members, nothing has changed.
tim4962 7 months ago
@tim4962
Deceived by Satan, huh? That's about the silliest thing ever!
Let's put Moroni's challenge to the test, shall we? Moroni 10:3-5 says that if you ask God with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith, the truth of all things will be manifest unto you thru the power of the holy ghost. Right?
Problem is, people in many other religions, Christian or otherwise, get the same powerful feeling of the holy ghost when they pray, too.
So, are their churches also the only true one?
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook I can't help you, only God can do that. You are not willing to listen, I can''t help. I will pray for you. Jesus is about Love. Good Luck and God bless. You have your freedom to believe what you want. I am not wanted and I will withdraw my spirit. Pray and be humble for God loves you. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.
tim4962 7 months ago
@tim4962
I don't need any help... YOU do. You're the one who's ignoring the obvious: that your test for knowing the truth obviously doesn't work. I really feel sorry for you that you are so misguided and foolish. I hope that someday you'll take a real, honest look at your faith and use some logic, too. You too can know that you're in a false religion. Good luck.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago
@mollymu1 Pardon? The book of Mormon was invented by Joseph Smith. This is plain as day, since much of the claims in the book are simply untrue. The religion gained popularity by riding on the coat tails of Christianity and providing "bonuses" such as other "testimonies" and different theories about the nature of God(s) and man becoming Gods, levels of heaven, etc. Explain to me again, why we need another testimony of Jesus Christ - so the Bible as the Word of God is insufficient?
teahouse100 6 months ago
@teahouse100 The pope and the priests of the Catholic church are not living the gospel of Jesus Christ, and that the Catholic church is NOT the same organization that Christ set up on the earth. Paul warned in his epistles, that the apostate church could be recognized by refusing some to marry. Could this mean priests? I believe it does.
2 Thesalonians 2:3 For that day [second coming] shall not come except there come a falling away [apostacy] from the truth first.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
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teahouse100 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 But Mormons are living the Gospel? You live a different Gospel, not Jesus Christ's. Remember how Jesus said nobody can enter the kingdom but through me.. This doesn't mean.. through the weird church ordinances of the LDS Church, and not through the BoM, not through the Pearl of Great Price, and not through your modern "prophet's" declarations. Are you claiming that Jesus came to earth, and immediately after the church was corrupted? Please, give the Lord some credit.
teahouse100 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Joseph smith was a con-artist if there ever was one: 1) treasure hunter 2) convicted of fraud 3) a politician 4) had a "divine insight" for polygamy 5) made-up stories about "reformed" egyptian, gold plates, jews in the americas; and the rest of it. 6) shot and killed at least 1 man right before his death (Ok he was being attacked by a mob; but still, you consider this guy a holy prophet and founder of your church!!).
Even mormons have to now claim that he was a "fallen prophet".
teahouse100 6 months ago
@teahouse100 In my research I found independent accounts from people saying how Joseph Smith had performed many healing miracles similar to that in the new testament through laying on of hands. He cured deafness, severe illness like cholorea on several people, and the accounts are all genuine, I ask you do supernatural healing miracles sound like the work of a conman and a liar to you?
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Sorry, nobody can be healed except through God.. and since Jesus Christ was God; He did not use some form of "magic" to heal people. That is, people cannot perform supernatural feats - they are confined to the laws of nature. So to answer your question "yes" I do think Joseph's healing tricks were the work of a con man.
teahouse100 5 months ago
@teahouse100 Well it's true, they bash and talk trash and make false truths and lies about us. The facts still remain facts. Jesus Christ started a church with a Foundation of Apostles with authority to recieve the revelation to lead His sheep. But that foundation was killed off and the Apostacy begun.
Joseph Smith restrored the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Lord Commanded it to be so. The restoration is biblical.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Jesus Christ believed that you didn't need church ordinances in order to be saved. He was the only way; and it is through Grace which we are saved. Until you realize that your church and your "prophet" cannot save you, and that Jesus Christ is all you need - you will never be living any form of the Gospel.
teahouse100 5 months ago
@teahouse100 1.Christ organized the Church (Eph 4:11-14)
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Christ didn't organize the Mormon Church. Sorry. And Joseph Smith was no holy man.
teahouse100 5 months ago
@teahouse100 Jesus did, and Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God.
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@teahouse100 Amos 3:7
King James Version (KJV) 7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@teahouse100 They cannot save us. They are the priesthood holders of the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ has the witnesses on the earth today, and they testify of the divinity of Jesus Christ, and He has spoken to them audibly, and lie not. You are on the wrong side, and have not entered at the straight gate which leads to life according to Matt 7.
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@LDS4Life71 Your descendants are akin to FLDS. I'm certain Joseph Smith was no different than Warren Jeffs - The similarities are quite striking actually. And Jeff's followers still believe that he is a "prophet" and has divine providence - even though he's in Jail!! Sorry, I'm not on the wrong side :)
teahouse100 5 months ago
@teahouse100 go ahead, you write a book similar in style and content to the Book of Mormon, use the internet, use the library of Congress for all I care, your premise projects three years of education, so that fits. you have 90 days, you have to dictate the book to a scribe from behind a curtain and can make no corrections or edits. go ahead, make my day, save me from my fallacy.
wjsprsn 5 months ago
@wjsprsn Oscar Wild wrote "Portrait of Dorian Gray" in one sitting.. and far more people have read this than the BofM. Secondly, I don't get what the point of me writing a BoM is? Anyone can write a feel good story - this doesn't mean it's true. At least the Bible cannot be disproved, and there is much archeological and historical evidence for its claims. I'm sorry, but this cannot be said for the BoM; actually, much of it has been disproved. So I don't need 90 days because it's self-evident.
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Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
mollymu1 8 months ago
I can't believe you Mormons. The evidence is overwhelming against you, but you people insist that you are members of the true church. In Joe's time, there was no complete falling away of the faith. The Bible tells us to be ware of people bringing to us another gospel. Mormonism IS that other gospel Jesus warned us about. Mormons, REPENT! Works will get you no where. Can you keep all the commandments in of the church? no. It's impossible. We are saved through faith and the grace of Jesus. PERIOD!
sirhood2 8 months ago
@sirhood2 Who are you? Most people here doesn´t care what you are saying.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
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@sirhood2 Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
mollymu1 8 months ago
@sirhood2 Repentance is a work . You have to have works . Anything else is silly . Why didn't the 5 foolish virgins just say . Hey Bridegroom we believe in you ,,, Boom OK you can come in also .
mollymu1 8 months ago
N.T. Wright, Anglican Bishop of Durham, in his book "Surprised by Hope," discusses the Bible's actual teaching about the Resurrection and the ultimate destiny of mankind and the earth, and concludes, like Joseph Smith, that the earth will be heaven for the righteous resurrected.
omiolo 9 months ago
He argues that this realization should make us feel responsible for caring for the earth as our eternal home, rather than something we plan to desert forever after death, which is the basic understanding of most traditional Christians these days.
omiolo 9 months ago
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This is pure evil and anyone that has liked this has never felt the light of Christ
gtuk12 9 months ago
@gtuk12 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
DefendingMormonism 9 months ago 15
@DefendingMormonism Great scriptural rebuttal.
omiolo 9 months ago
@DefendingMormonism
I thank you for that. nothing strengthens my testimony more than a valiant man standing righteous in the way of the Lord. I love you as my sibling, and the Lord truly loves you as a valiant servant!
burkehughes 8 months ago
@DefendingMormonism Please explain something to me. After reviewing all the evidence against the Mormon church, how can anyone in their right mind still accept Joe as a true prophet and believe the Mormon church to be the TRUE church, when all the evidence proves that is is a cult? The Bible talks about people coming to you bringing you ANOTHER gospel. Mormonism IS that other gospel. It is NOT from Heavenly Father. It is from Hell, and it will take you to hell if you don't repent!
sirhood2 8 months ago
@sirhood2 yeah, so hellish, teaches love one another, Families are important, look after your bodies, help those who are in need of help, Believe in God and that he has a plan for us and that we are all children of God. That sound just awful.
surfr01 8 months ago
@surfr01
just because something feels good and does good, doesn't mean it's true.
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook so by saying there are horses in the BOM your point is because something feels good and does good doesn't mean its true????... I can just imagine you waking up in the middle of the night with that epiphany. "I've got it, theres horses in the BOM so therefore because something feels good and does good doesn't mean its true, why am i even here, what are words? Oh i'm so happy, i can't even feel my arms"! Deep stuff bro.
surfr01 8 months ago
@surfr01
Are you attempting to be clever? Because it's not working.
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@ZelphKinderhook Don't get narky, after all, just because something feels good and does good, doesn't mean it's true lalalalala horses lalalala bees lalalalala ZelphKinderhook is a big boy now and has a belly button.
surfr01 8 months ago
@sirhood2 It also talks about Another Angel flying , having the everlasting gospel. Read the whole Bible again not just what someone tells you to read to try and prove us wrong . Thanks
mollymu1 8 months ago
@gtuk12 It doesn´t have to be an exclusion. I felt the light of Christ on the LDS church. But mainly the light of Christ lives in our heart not in the heart of those evil people who regards negative statement cause of his bitterness and zealousness or whatever evil purpose. They are the true workers for Satan.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@gtuk12 Hey we are here for you . Whatever is holding you back from joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints talk with a member or some missionaries and they'll be able to help you . That is the reason you are here . Just hope one day you can have the joy only the members of the Lord Jesus Christ's true Church can receive , members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints . We have something you are jealous of but it doens't have to be that way .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@gtuk12 what makes it evil?
what is said inthese video is true and if u what to see evil just see whats on tv or in the movies these days and i have felt the light of Christ.
BryceisBibleMan 6 months ago
Very nice video. How many versions of the first Vision were there? I thought there were at least 3 with some discrepancies between them. Is that true or false?
videogigante 10 months ago
@videogigante "During a 10-year period (1832–42), Joseph Smith wrote or dictated at least four accounts of the First Vision. These accounts are similar in many ways, but they include some differences in emphasis and detail. These differences are complementary. Together, his accounts provide a more complete record of what occurred. The 1838 account found in the Pearl of Great Price is the primary source referred to in the Church."
—Accounts of the First Vision from lds.org.
DefendingMormonism 9 months ago 3
@DefendingMormonism Why does the church not mension the fact that the very first vision included Smith seeing a pillar of fire? Why was left out? Why did Young change Smith's testimony of the first vision?
sirhood2 8 months ago
@videogigante
That's false- you see, waht happened was, well, you know when you write a journal entry you sometimes leave things out and remember things and rewrite the entry, that's what happened. hope that helps, but hey, don't believe me ask the Lord yourself for the answer. If anyone knows the answer, He will!
burkehughes 8 months ago
@videogigante The first vision was revised by Brigham Young. In Joe's first vision, he said he saw a pillar of fire come down and he saw ONE person. Young re wrote it to say that it was a pillar of light, and Joe saw two personages. I tend to believe the first one. After Joe was told not to join any other the sects because they were all wrong, why then did Joe join the Methodist church, in direct conflict of what his god had told him? Odd! He is a false prophet. PERIOD!
sirhood2 8 months ago
@videogigante
No the differences between them are cause some were written by others besides Joseph . Just read the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ with an open mind and you'll know . Take Care.
mollymu1 8 months ago
@videogigante true. in the first recorded account by smith, the Lord (alone) appeared... told him he was forgiven of all sins. another explains 2 unidentified personages told him he was forgiven and Jesus is the son of God. now the church explains that God and Jesus appeared and told him all churches are corrupt. i'm sure God and Jesus appearing to you would be important enough to include in any account you gave of such a vision... it being true and all.
he was 14 when this supposedly happened.
tamasandy 7 months ago
Quran:
{Surah-21-the prophets (anbiya)-vs-21}
Or have they taken gods from the earth who raise (the dead).
22-if there had been in them any gods except allah, they would both have certainly been in a state of disorder; therefore glory be to allah, the lord of the dominion, above what they attribute (to him).
quranresponse 10 months ago
have certainly been in a state of disorder; therefore glory be to allah, the lord of the dominion, above what they attribute (to him).
23-he cannot be questioned concerning what he does and they shall be questioned.
24-or, have they taken gods besides him? Say: bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! Most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.
quranresponse 10 months ago
{Surah-21-the prophets (anbiya)-vs-21}
Or, have they taken gods besides him? Say: bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! Most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.
quranresponse 10 months ago
{Surah-21-the prophets (anbiya)-vs-26}
And they say: the beneficent god has taken to himself a son. Glory be to him. Nay! They are honored servants:
quranresponse 10 months ago
27-they do not precede him in speech and (only) according to his commandment do they act.
28-he knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they do not intercede except for him whom he approves, and for fear of him they tremble.
29-and whoever of them should say: surely i am a god besides him, such a one do we recompense with hell: thus do we recompense the unjust.
quranresponse 10 months ago
Brother, I don't know who you are or where you live but know that your work has uplifted my soul. Your videos are wonderful and they bring joy to my heart and tears to my eyes when I view them! Especially this video, it reminds me why we are so thankful to have a Prophet in these Latter Days!
ViCe1986 1 year ago
@ViCe1986 Appreciate your support. This video was inspired by the book "Rough Stone Rolling" by Richard Lyman Bushman and by Joseph Smith's amazing life, of course. I KNOW that he was who he claimed to be: Prophet of God, disciple of Jesus Christ, and Witness for God to all of mankind.
DefendingMormonism 11 months ago
@DefendingMormonism If Joe was a true prophet of god, then why did 99% of all his prophesies fail? Because he was a prophet of Satan. Remember, he was a mason. Masons are not Christians. All the rituals you people do in the temples are derived from Masonry! Such as the oath of silence lest you get your throat cut from ear to ear, or your guts cut out and spilled on the ground. And what happened to the temple he prophsied would be biult in Misouri? The temple lot? I still hasn't been built!
sirhood2 8 months ago
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@sirhood2 Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
mollymu1 8 months ago
@ViCe1986 You like your prophets? How about THIS! Your late prophet Hinkley said that the jesus you Mormons worship is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. You mormons have a different jesus who's blood is not sufficient to cleans us from ALL our sins. My Jesus, on the otherhand, is alive and well. You believe your god came down and had physical sex with Marry. That is BLASPHAMY! The Holy Ghost game down and did it. You cannot become gods. Smith was a lier and a blasphemer!
sirhood2 8 months ago
@sirhood2
Seeing that the "Jesus of the Bible" is God the Father and we don't believe this to be the truth, why there would be any controversy at all here.
The rest of your ranting is incoherent and is almost all is not even close to LDS doctrine.
ViCe1986 8 months ago
@sirhood2 Hey we are here for you . Whatever is holding you back from joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints talk with a member or some missionaries and they'll be able to help you . That is the reason you are here . Just hope one day you can have the joy only the members of the Lord Jesus Christ's true Church can receive , members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints . We have something you are jealous of but it doens't have to be that way .
mollymu1 8 months ago
It's not that hard to discredit Joseph Smith.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief People have been trying for almost 200 years, yet the work of God continues to move forward. Some have spent their entire lives fighting against God's church with no long-term success. As time moves forward, the Prophet Joseph will continue to be vindicated and revered for his devotion to our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, and his willingness to do all that was asked of him as Prophet of God.
DefendingMormonism 1 year ago 2
@DefendingMormonism
"work of God".... there's no proof that Mormonism is the work of God.
"continues to move forward"... at an extremely slow pace. after 180 years, Mormons only make up LESS than 1/4 of 1 percent of the world's population The rate of growth is even slower now in areas where the internet exists.
"Joseph will continue to be vindicated"... you're kidding, right? No vindication of him exists... just more proof of his deceptions.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief we don't expect it to cover the whole world. In fact, we believe the opposite; that even when Christ comes again, the Church will be relatively small. "And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few" - 2 Ne. 14. Could you point to a specific example of what you see as "proof of his deceptions"? Finally, the Book of Mormon is the best proof that this is the work of God.
3min46sec 10 months ago
@3min46sec
If you don't expect it to cover the whole earth then stop bragging about your growth. Most Mormons love to claim how fast their church is growing, but when confronted with the truth, just like you they back-pedal.
Deception of Smith? Why, the Book of Mormon. It is it's own best proof that it's fictional, and that Smith is a false prophet. Google BofM anachronisms for a sample. Then there's the "Book of Abraham" which is anything but, & of course the Kinderhook plates. Many more too!
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief The growth thing is an oversimplification. It's also not worth discussing.
With the book of Mormon, try googling A Choice Land or FairMormon anachronism.
The fragments we have of the papyri are from the Book of Breathings, but there were (according to contemporary eyewitnesses) far more than is extant. Calculations show at least 40 feet
The Kinderhook plates were a forgery to trick Joseph. They failed, because he never even tried to translate them
starfruitdust 10 months ago
@starfruitdust
1. I was accidentally using my sister's account; I didn't notice that she logged in.
2. I guess I should explain growth better. What I mean, by "an oversimplification" is that although we don't expect the Church to convert everyone, or be particularly large, we do expect the Restored Gospel to go to all lands (which it is increasingly doing), and we expect great success in those who are prepared to receive the word (which is not a falsifiable hypothesis).
3min46sec 10 months ago
@3min46sec
Better get a move on. Your church is slowing down quite a bit. Your per-missionary baptism rate is half of what it was in 1990. There's only so much crazy religion that the world can handle...
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
@3min46sec
@ScienceReasonBelief
As you obviously didn't read what I said, let me repeat it for you.
Although we don't expect the Church to convert everyone, or be particularly large, we do expect the Restored Gospel to go to all lands (which it is increasingly doing), and we expect great success in those who are prepared to receive the word (*which is not a falsifiable hypothesis*).
There is nothing here which can be rationally contradicted, snide remarks notwithstanding.
3min46sec 10 months ago
@starfruitdust
I'll well aware of FARMS and FAIR. Despite their efforts, there's nothing convincing about their "research". When you begin with the end in mind, your findings will always be suspect.
Regardless of how much of the papyri was "extant", Smith got that Facsimile dead wrong.
It's also been well documented that Smith was indeed fooled by the Kinderhook plates. You're wrong on this too. Smith's secretary Wm. Clayton, as well of the official History of the Church, contradict you.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
You are only assuming he got the papyri wrong.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
No, I'm not assuming. The papyri that were re-discovered have no mention of Abraham in them, and they also have been dated to a time that is 1500 years AFTER the life of Abraham. While it's true that not all of the papyri have been re-discovered (and are probably long-gone), what has been recovered bears no resemblance to the "translation" that Joseph Smith made--neither the fragments of the writings, nor the facsimiles. That's not assuming.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
you are assuming the one you got is the one he used... assumption... that is all you have.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
Wrong again, kiddo. Given that the papyri were dated as being 1500 years after Abraham's death, and that they were found in Thebes, EGYPT, written in Egyptian, it's very safe to say that Joseph Smith made the whole thing up. Papyri tend to be homogenous in their subject matter...the likelihood that a missing piece might have been soooo different-- about a man who was dead for 1500 years and was also from a different country than Egypt, is close to zero.
Nice try tho!
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
So why is the NT written in greek and not from the time of Jesus? I dont remember the claim that it was written by the hand of Abraham himself.
Nice try though
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
You're not very smart, are you? Think of it this way... what are the chances of you discovering an ancient record there in the 408 area code... the record is in English, but it's about a guy who lived 1,500 years ago in Mazatlan, Mexico?
And just like the Book of Mormon, there are no mainstream archeologists who think that Smith's version of the papyri has any credibility. There's an obvious reason why only Mormons believe in it!
Care to try again?
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
So did you just change the argument?
who is trying again now?
you example is weak.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
You're kidding, right? The argument didn't change, I simply restated it to help you comprehend. Read back again and you're see. Sometimes it helps if you mouth the words as you read... you might understand faster.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
you changed it from it not being the same text to it being written in Egypt not Hebrew so could not be associated with Abraham. I'm sure you deny the NT as it is in greek... not hebrew.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
I don't believe in the bible as a religious document, so that's irrelevant.
What I said was that Smith got the description of the facsimiles wrong, and that the surviving fragments have nothing to do with Abraham. I also said that it's extremely unlikely that an Egyptian papyri would have info about an Israelite who lived 1,500 years prior to that papyri being written. That's not a change, it's an additional fact against the Book of Abraham being true.
Got it now?
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Well the bible is a religious document weather you believe in it or not... your point is null and void. sorry.
and of course it is going to be in Egyptian... that is like digging up something in California that is 1000 years old and expecting it to be written in Spanish. Abraham was in Egypt... so it is very likely he would be in an Egyptian writing.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
Um, no, it's not very likely that he would be in an Egyptian writing. What are you talking about? Abraham had almost no impact on Egyptian culture or history.
The Bible may be a religious document, but that doesn't mean it's the actual word of god.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
I've never claimed the bible to be the Word of God... you have me confused for someone else. But seeing as Abraham is a key figure in hebrew culture (you can not deny that) he could be found anywhere he went.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
Look, you're not very good at this. Maybe you should study more before you debate.
You're the confused one- since I never said you claimed the bible was the word of god.
But since you're putting caps on "Word of God", I'll bet you do believe it is!
Abraham might be a key figure in Jewish culture, but he obviously wouldn't be a key figure in Egyptian culture. Whether he was even IN Egypt is contested by scholars, despite the Bible's story.
Got any more of your ridiculous arguments?
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
"The Bible may be a religious document, but that doesn't mean it's the actual word of god."
You implied I assumed. The only Word of God there is is given directly to us from God.
Ridiculous is claiming you have proof with a lack of proof.... go on though... your are quit amusing.
Are you religious?
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
Whatever kiddo. Apparently you're too immature to have a real discussion. Have fun.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Is this you bowing out? Figures.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408
Yeah, it figures. It figures because I find your arguments to be juvenile, poorly thought out, and a waste of my time. You obviously know nothing about the culture of Egypt and very little about Abraham. I find it boring to try to reason with someone who has very little education on the topic. So yeah, it figures.
Now run off and go play, kid...
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
I've never claimed a lack of proof proves my point son. Stop telling everyone you proved a negative and strutting around like a cock in the hen house... cause you got egg all over your face bro. Your lack of is very weak. Even you know that yet you continue on like you are the know all end all.
Stop changing the argument to fit your point... that is elementary son. come up with some context or go home and cry to mom.
Sk8er408 10 months ago 2
@Sk8er408
When you've grown up a bit and can actually make sense, then maybe you'll be able to hold someone's attention and not bore them.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Again... nice bow out oh supreme being. take you lack of and find someone else to annoy with it.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408 ScienceReasonBewildered is about as ignorant as one can get.
LDS4Life71 10 months ago
@LDS4Life71
I've seen worst... But that is not an excuse either.
Sk8er408 10 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 "ScienceReasonBewildered is about as ignorant as one can get."
I am NOT sure it is IGNORANCE since it is willful.
omiolo 9 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief You realize that that's exactly your method? You a priori assume the Church is wrong, and look for whatever findings you can.
Why is "extant" in quotes? It's a real word, being used properly. There are lots of reasons why modern Egyptologists would disagree with Smith: chief being that, when pressed, they can't even agree with each other. I can't name sources off the top of my head, but if you want I'll dig them up.
3min46sec 10 months ago
@3min46sec
"Extant" was in quotes, because I was quoting YOU. Got it now?
No, I used to assume that Mormonism was right, but fortunately, using many different sources, I now realize it's all a bunch of stories.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Re: the Kinderhook, I was half wrong. Joseph tried to translate the plates with conventional means, ie. his knowledge of Hebrew. He didn't declare it to be true though. The History of the Church is not a very reliable history. Scholars inside and out of the church agree on that. Clayton's statement is the statement in HotC, switched into first person. Finally, there's no reason Joseph can't make a mistake in scholarship. He wasn't a scholar, tried, misread the plates.
3min46sec 10 months ago
@3min46sec
You seem to be confused. How could Smith have "translated" the Kinderhook plates thru his knowledge of Hebrew, when first, he knew very little Hebrew, and second, the Kinderhook plates were a forgery based upon characters from a Chinese tea box?
"No reason Joseph can't make a mistake" ... seriously??? When you claim to be a prophet, you HAVE to get it right!
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
You have to get prophecy right. When you're screwing around in a language you hardly know, that's your own choice. In my own experience knowing a dead language, it's not terribly hard, when you want to read something beyond your capacity, to read things that aren't there. With a man who wasn't particularly literate in English either, I can see how that sort of thing could happen. We don't expect a prophet to never make mistakes in his personal attempts at scholarship.
3min46sec 10 months ago
@3min46sec And as I said elsewhere, I'm done arguing with you. Feel free to take the last word. I (and I assume you also) have better things to do than check YouTube several times a day to argue with a man with whom it seems I will never reach any sort of agreement.
3min46sec 10 months ago
@3min46sec
Well, except that Hebrew isn't a dead language. It's spoken every day by millions of people. And as I've said before, the Kinderhook plates were NOT written in Hebrew, so Smith's knowledge of it is irrelevant. You really ought to study more about this before you try to defend your church.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
When you take that 1/4 of 1 percent is 14.4 million people and is the second fastest growing faith in the US as well as the fastest growing faith in the world.
ViCe1986 8 months ago
@ViCe1986
You're kidding, right? Cuz you're dead wrong.
Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world. Even among Christian religions, Mormonism isn't 1st or 2nd. That would be the 7th Day Adventists & the Assemblies of God. In fact, USA Today says the Adventists grow 75% faster than Mormons... & they don't even have a missionary force!
Plus, your per missionary baptism rate is HALF of what it was 20 years ago. And only half of your 14 million go to church.
All is not well in "Zion"...
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Where did the Book of Mormon Another Testiment of Jesus Christ come from . The parts that weren't taken from the Brass Plates and therefore simular to Ish . So the part that won't be covered by your ''copied from the Bible '' response . Where did it come from ? OUT
mollymu1 8 months ago
@mollymu1
The Book of Mormon is a mish-mash, with likely contributors being Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, & prob parts of a manuscript by Solomon Spaulding, as well as Ethan Smith's book "View of the Hebrews" & of course the Bible. Emma Smith & Martin Harris were scribes as well as the above, leading to various "wordprint" styles in the book.
The BofM is also filled with many problematic anachronisms, such as horses, cows, elephants, steel, silk, barley, etc.
Obviously, it's not "true".
ZelphKinderhook 8 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook is that it? thats very clever, if that is true whats your point?
surfr01 8 months ago
@DefendingMormonism What about the fact that Smith and his brother had guns and Smith killed two of his attackers before they broke down the door to the cell and killed them? Yes, Smith and his brother DID have guns. That is a matter of history. proven. If they didn't have guns, then who shot those two attackers dead?
sirhood2 8 months ago
The Mormon church recently launched a new ad campaign in nine U.S. cities that show regular people talking about their lives and hobbies before announcing near the end of the spots that they are Mormons.
omiolo 1 year ago
It is amazing what a few little sisters here and in each unit can do to help others through the humanitarian program,” said Lucy Lake, president of the Relief Society.
omiolo 1 year ago
The church has a standard that lists what items should be included in the kits so that everything is standard. We are going to try and make as many as we can this year,” said Zoe Rohner.
According to the church's national newsletter, 104,924 hygiene kits have been sent to Haiti from the distribution center.
omiolo 1 year ago
In a past project, the society made 70 quilts that were given to the Palm Springs Police Department to keep in the trunks of their cars and hand out to children in crisis situations.
omiolo 1 year ago
"He was fearless," Elder Nelson said of Elder Ringger's role in helping establish the Church in Eastern Europe. "He loved the people he served, he loved his wife and he loved his children. "He was uniquely equipped with everything that was needed to assist the Twelve Apostles."
omiolo 1 year ago
In addition to being an engineer and architect, Elder Ringger was a retired colonel of the Swiss army and served as a member of the constitutional council, city council and held many other responsibilities in the political arena.
omiolo 1 year ago
Suzanne Whitehead, a junior at Brigham Young University in Utah is double majoring in international relations and sociocultural anthropology. She says that as the semester begins to wind down she pulls all nighters as frequently as once a week. But she has never drunk coffee, an energy drink or even a soda to help her get through those long nights.
omiolo 1 year ago
Family home evening shows children that family matters most.
"To combat the worlds evil influences, we need the strength that comes from family home evening," said President James E. Faust in a June 2003 Ensign article.
omiolo 1 year ago
The church has testified of the blessings of family home evening for generations, but recently other organizations have begun to sing the praises of family night as well. For example, toy company Hasbro has built an advertising campaign around the idea of family game night. The company may be in it to make a few dollars, but the idea is sound.
omiolo 1 year ago
I am Al B.Nausceous. I have started a lesser-known religion called "gratify". It involves people worshipping me, giving me money, allowing me to be the only one allowed to break all the strict rules. I have a BOG to explain all. The rules are : 1) Worship "dunga" 10 times a day, only wearing blue, as that is the colour of purity. 2) No sex outside marriage, a common one that as all religions are obsessed by sex. 3) give 15% of your earning s for life to the church. Speak later humble servants.
sids500 1 year ago
@sids500 "all religions are obsessed by sex."
and yet it is YOU that brought it up.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo There you go, you just oproved my point. The mere fact that i mention the word sex brings about palpitations and a seething anger boils, as you canmnot wait to express your distain for me. I only said the word sex. I did not mention my opinions on the matter, merely the word. You really are obsessed. Thanks, that was an easy one!
sids500 1 year ago
@sids500 YAWN!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo more capitals.clearly cannot express yourself so you choose to just shout. still no answers to a single question i have posed. thats normal actually when debating close-minded religious wish-thinkers . Don't usually resort to personal abuse, but you really have contributed nothing to this discussion so i give up. i cannot claim victory, as you have not replied to anything, so it was too one-sided. anyway, good night.
sids500 1 year ago
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@sids500 you see what you want to see.
omiolo 1 year ago
"We live in a world that is seemingly confused and chaotic and we have so many things that are pressing on us. How does one deal with all of this?" He asked. "It is the grace of Christ that enables us to do good things and become better than we ever could do or become in our own capacity and strength alone."
omiolo 1 year ago