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  • we`re having this played at our wedding next month.. 

  • this made me smile, scottish till i die

  • fuck you and yo momma

  • LOVE the film but it was sauid in a book somwhere that the film played too much in to "William Wallaces" Ego. HE wasent as heroic as the film made out as the film was written by a present relative of his. Anyway, am welsh what do i know! just what i read :) but tbf is one of my fave films and this music is simply beautiful!

  • I could listen to this a million times, and still get chills.

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  • @WhereIsTheLine1 Yep get out that racist asshole buried deep within you :P

  • I forgot Cast away..... Also a good movie

  • I watched this movie when I was young. Like all those others good movies.

    (Forest Gump, Gladiator, Braveheart) I love thos movies and I'm still watching them...

  • me too.

  • I love the movie

    I love the song

    but most of all I LOVE MA COUNTRY !!!!

    Scotland rules and anyone who says the movie was racist

    go 2 hell it just tells what happened to one of ma ultimate Heros Wallace and what the stuck up english did 2 him back then

    to get ma drift read all ma comments for this vid

  • OMG, I can't find the words to describe this fucking masterpiece.

  • "I know you fight, but it is our wits that make us men"

  • Someone should write lyrics to this and make it the Scottish National Anthem

  • beautiful, warrior feeling

  • Almost have a tear in my eye when this is played at the end of the film. Great theme tune

  • i love bagpipes and i have always wanted to visit Scotland but have not had the chance to go yet

  • @Destov1 where are you from likes?

  • @Destov1 when you get the chance go! Its an amazing counrty im Welsh but i love Scotland my girlfriends Scottish so i get to visit the amazing country every year :D:D ps i know my youtube name is silly for a welshman but i like his music too lol

  • @RichardElden not a racist movie and he dont deserve cancer

  • I don't get it... Why the fuck do you have to arguing on every little video on youtube. I'm here for the wonderfull song, not to argue about what country is the best. no country in the whole world can be that wonderfull as Scotland. If i had an offer wich i could move to the US and get like 4 00000 dollars or move to Scotland and just get roof over my head, i choose Scotland by far. Thats my opinion, please just listen to the masterpiece called song.

  • I have much respect for the Scottish, i;m american but my ansisters came from scottland i love this so much!:)

  • This is absolutely amazing. I can't agree more with the beginning statement, "Listening to this makes me forget about modern day WORLD"

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  • I adore this music and the film too!!

  • Hitler called the Scottish "the Ladies from Hell"

  • get some pride about ya mate

  • FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!­!!!!!!!!!

  • I don't get the hate against the bagpipe, I reckon it's so beautiful!

  • HEY IF U SAYIN THAT THEN UR NOT TRULY SCOTISH

    U CANT CALL ALL SCOTS THAT, ITS ONLY U SO GET A GRIP

  • It's shite being Scottish, We're the lowest of the low. the scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY.

    _TRAINSPOTTING-Renton

  • @macheteblanco yes we may be those things, but we have pride, honor and satasfacsion on our side, to be a true scot you must love the culture an wae o life that the scots made for themselves, yes we are ruled by the english, but i swear on my heretege of buchanan that we will break free o the english's rules an be a free country again, soon, an long live freedom, for all all ae it's garentees!

  • @concam28 @MrFootballer360 u mad bros?

  • @ButterKnife1337 its ok, hes just a little keyboard warrior :L

  • If you guys can't get it together while listening to this the world is truly fucked - Thanks for ruining this for me after reading your comments - What is wrong with you people?

  • (this does not include eagleye)

    I'm on concam's side with this argument cuz I think that any English or Americans that think their better than scots or the Irish*

    GO TO F***ING HELL

    I'm a 13yr old lassie and I'm a strong nationalist any prick who thinks they can beat me at a fight come and get me

    (i have lots of Irish family)*

  • alright am i the only scot that thinks these "you fucking english pussy" comments are bloody annoying

  • for god sake it's just a song

    but still America can suck my non-existant balls cuz SCOTLAND FREAKIN RULES!!!!!!

  • @team0switzerland1

    Hey now, I'm American and I can say - hands down - this musical piece is amazing.

    No non-existent ballsucking necessary, my Scottish friend.

  • damn i wish i was born in ireland :|

  • BOOOOOO FOCKIN SHIT

  • @MrFootballer360 fuck off english TIT

  • @concam28 Ur English aswell u spineless cunt

  • @MrFootballer360 im not english, my family origens come from irland SO FUCK YOU. dick

  • @concam28 First of all, LEARN TO SPELL. You cant even spell Ireland, and u should learn some grammar while ur at it. lol, damn Irish

  • @MrFootballer360 look who's talking ... "u" ur" "lol"? I'm foreign and I use better grammar than -you-!

  • @fiviifjj oh my dayyyyyyyys u really are a pussy aint u. Ask anyone that can speak English and im sure they will tell you that they put "u" rather than "You" coz its quicker... see the use of "coz there, coz its quicker init...or "isnt it" for you

  • @MrFootballer360 well considering it was late at night and i was angry at what you said. and i knew that i had very bad grammar their. BUT FUCK OFF YOU SNOBBY CUNT

  • @concam28 Who the fuck are u to tell me to fuck off, look at you, i aint even gonna argue anymore coz i just seen what a werid little 12 year old spacker u are in ur videos. yeah bye

  • @MrFootballer360 actully im 14 and its a FUCKING FREE WORLD. SO to conclude this argument, I WIN AND YOUR AN ENGLISH SNOBBY TIT

  • @concam28 im 17 so piss off child

  • @MrFootballer360 a 17 year old who wastes his time playing fifa and halo YOUR A WASTE OF SPACE.

  • @concam28 LOL, coming from you, you little fucker, and they dont come much weirder then you, making video bloggs that u dnt even know what ur talking about, go find some friends :L Oh yer, waste of space?? not wat ur mom sed xDDDDDD

  • @concam28 pussyhole wasteman bumboclat divvy SHIIIIT!!

  • @MrFootballer360 DANG ENGLISH SNOBBY TIT!!! HAHAHAHAHA GO SUCK YOUR MOMS DICK!!!!!

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  • aye, William wallace existed, bloody english still around, do

  • Nice Music..thanks for sharing~~~

  • Magnifique! :)

  • this song gives me tingles and makes me proud of my heritage :D

  • The motto of Norwich University..."I WILL TRY"

    I never went there, but I will try...

    Lowell Lee Morse

  • Thhumbs up if you think wanna live in sccotland :P and ofcourse love the music

  • @Minefester i already do!!

  • @Minefester go there living in a few months :)

  • Been looking for one song in particular for half an hour on bag pipes to I can transpose it to flute. Havn't found it yet. I'm really not worried. I feel bloated on beautiful music right now.

  • even though the pipes that are playing there are from ireland, their not scottish. And its uileann not ullien ;)

  • this song makes me wish i was scottish

  • <3

  • KILL ALL WEEGIES.

    GORGIE #1

  • Fuck wrong channel thought i was talking to someone else there, soz m8 ima shut up now , but still scottish & proud and so is every Scot

  • bet a kin make a better video :) watch

  • haha didnae hink yea could edit anyhing ;) love aht braeheart tune, SCOTTISH AND PROUD!!! Nuthin will take away ma freedom :) peace people

  • Historically innaccurate, but my God it makes you proud to be Scottish

  • "This William he doesn't even have a knighthood, but he *fights* with *passion* and he *inspires*."  -

  • I cry so much every time i see this film :'(, It makes me so proud to be Scottish though :D . Proud of William Wallace !

  • i love being scottish . and i have always loved the bag pipes so happens i have a pal who plays them i had him play them for my 40th birthday and what a night that was .

  • who cares what descent or origin..............bottom line is that this is absolutely brilliant :)

  • I am thinking about using this song for my wedding because I think it is very beautiful. But watching the movie, this could be a very sad song as well. Is it appropriate to use it? Does this song have a particular meaning to it?

  • @mochicruise i wondered that my self for a wedding

  • @TheMissclare87 Well, that makes it two of us. Can anyone give us some suggestions?

  • Absolutely beautiful

  • I am of Scottish descent but born in Canada... I swear one day I will go home, to Scotland.. the bagpipes are calling me

  • @animal25lover Welsh born and of Cornish and Welsh desent Living in america. One day i will go home as well

  • I'm Irish and French descent...and the sound of the pipes always gives me chills...in a good way

  • @beast72486 same only my kids will be canadian and i will never let go of how they are scottish, french, irish and german, long live freedom!

  • im american an love the sound of bag pipes

  • WE NEED FREEDOM 2011 FOR WILLIAM WALLCE AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO FOGHT FOR FREEDOM

  • I am of scottish and irish descent. Guess that's why I love the bagpipes so much.

  • wonder what this theme would sound like on the traditonal scotish pipes?

  • These pipes aren't Scottish

  • @johnnyCheeseburger i think you will find they are Uilleann Pipes. which are irish, but eitherway. pipes are pipes.

  • Love the pipes! Clan Macloed!!!

  • I just adore bagpipes! I want to see Scotland and hear this beautiful instrument!

  • And even in the wild, we believe that Russia, this dog is worthy songs Scottish poets mourn.

  • This is a wonderful video, I could listen to it for hours, and sometimes I do............

  • LMAO RICHER WHEN ??DO YOU RELISE THAT IF WE WERE INDEPENDANT WHEN BANKING CRISIS HIT WE WOULD BE IN WORST STATE THAN GREECE !we were in debt to the tune of 120 times our anual income ,without the union we would have been sunk so deeep we would be askin ireland and greece for hand outs ,5 million population only 2 million are scottish .1.5 million unemloyed or resiveing benifits ,only people coming here are asian who are coming here at 250 thousand a year ..scotland is fkd wake up !!!

  • @captainsordbender You have zero knowledge of Economics, Scotland is the only state in the UK that profited in the last 5 years, for every £1 Scotland gained, the UK lost £1.5, within one year of a Scottish Government Scottish trade has gone up 12% already on top of 194 billion every year. A Scottish bank, for Scotland would cost £166 million to bailout, which is nothing, but a Scottish Bank that is connected to the English bank costs billions, Scotland is not fucked, we're rich as fuck, fuckoff

  • @truefalse u cock !if scotland was independant at time of banking crisis we would no excist k!! scotland sfigures are base on what scotland need and what we earn ,5million population 1 millioin on benifits 650,000 disabled ,1 million oaps...ok so no wmaths guy sort out that pish with 2 million earning minimi wage ,,and if we ever go independant our wages will drop like hot rocks as .as scottish dollar would be worthless ...

  • @captainsordbender If Scotland was independent during the time of the banking crisis it would only cost £166million, which is like 10 pence to Scotland. 650,000 are disabled? Stop making up false sums you fucking wee stupid uneducated poor cunt, 200,000 are disabled and that includes elderly. 2 million don't earn the minimum wage you fucking idiot. I wish I could crush your skull you soap dodging weedgie prick

  • @captainsordbender 120 time our annual income, so we were in debt over £2 trillion then? Stop talking shite you fucking cunt before I fucking drop kick you online.

  • brings a lump to yer throat

  • Please remember our fallen wariors we will always be free

  • scotland is piss.go to any view point its breath taking turn head to left or right and theres a fkn factory or houseing scheme.and a million tramps in celtic tops drinking buckfast ,not to forget 1 in 5 are on herion,listen to yir romantic music scotland is a fkn shite hole ,,and will be worsewhen we go independant and you here england say thank fuck !!

  • @captainsordbender Maybe that's because you live in a poor area in the backstreets of Glasgow where you don't get to see much except poverty ridden peasants like yourself

  • @captainsordbender 1 in 5 live in poverty, not on heroine, don't twist stuff about.

  • @truefalse heroin means poverty ???? only ones in poverty are the irish imigrants doe heid!! 1in five are addicts look it up ...

  • @captainsordbender Learn to spell you poverty ridden peasant, one in five are in poverty, only 2% of the population are addicts. I knew you were from Glasgow by your atrocious spelling and anti-Irish comments, Glasgow is not the Scotland that is portrayed to the World, you soap dodging filth are unwanted and should be deported to Albania where you'll fit it in nicely.

  • @truefalse i think ye should shut it, what ye 'ave against glasgow, i am fromEdinburgh myself and i donnae have a problem with them. I got a problem with you now though

  • @robertthompsonede I'm from Glasgow too, educated there and everything, but didn't turn out retarded and bad mouthing Scotland like you.

  • @truefalse How the fuck am i bad mouthing  Scotland. My quarrel is with your sorry ass. I love my country and have more pride in in then anything on earth

  • @robertthompsonede Shit, I meant to reply to captainsorbener.

  • @truefalse my spelling is fkd cause my goverment had to spen billions on accomodatin irish imigrants every whim ! if it wasnt for feeding houseing the ungreatfull beggers I would be able to spell properlie lol get it round u lol

  • @captainsordbender The Irish came here 150 years ago, what about the 5 million + foreign unemployed benefit rogues that infest the UK? I think they are filth.

  • @truefalse most benifit cheats are asian and irish fact ,biggest users of all public amenities...but we can only sit back and watch them take take take ..so im done with scotland let it bleed

  • @captainsordbender There's still more middle, upper working class than there is foreigners, and with better education and exam results beating lasts year continuously we're actually getting better, exports in trade are increasing under the SNP government also, nearly producing 200billion annually giving Scotland a per capita of $40k. Irish immigrants are mainly labourers, grass cutters, etc. No harm, the Polish are stealing the plastering, plumbing, electrician jobs.

  • @truefalse snp arent responsible for what is going on in scotland at moment ..people coming through school at moment are labour kids ...snp are charging english students to get educated in there own country .will be a back lash from uk against scotland ,we have 5 million people here 1.5 million depend on state benifits ..so work out maths 3.5 million on not so good wages will be taxed to death to feed theneedy .we need england to feeed our poor end off

  • @captainsordbender "SNP are charging kids to get educated in there own country" Scotland is not England, England & Wales are already charging THEIR own students. 1.5 Million on benefits?? why are you waffling shite for fuck sake, I am sick of failures like you who are victims of the anti-Scottish agenda portrayed across the BBC and TV that make us look like failures when we're not, more successful and richer than England, Wales and Scotland is the richest in the UK per capita.

  • @truefalse Id just like to say i agree 100% the scottish people are great people and need to hold their heads high and proud..... LONG LIVE THE SCOTTISH

  • My Grandmother was Scottish and she would always tell me when I was little about how beautiful Scotland was. hearing bagpipes kinda makes me feel proud of that small bit Scottish in me.

  • my family were crusaders that faught with wallace. i am a mitchell! and i know that theres alot of junkies and bad industry in the world but not in scotland im a son of scotland i would know

  • always was proud of being scotish! i guess im pree lucky having the same last name....WALLACE!

  • this is a wonderful song...no doubt about it...the bagpipes have a deep impact on the listener

  • 42 Englishmen listened to this and remembered 1314 A.D.

  • @smcarthur86 I wish i had a cookie, because you sir, deserve that cookie

  • worst - slideshow - ever

    you are destroying the song with this. cant even look at it

  • THERE CAN EWNLY BE ONE

  • this tune always sends a shiver up my spine. best film theme tune ever. FREEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!

  • darn i promised myself i wouldn't cry

  • I love my Scottish heritage!!!!!! :D

  • @victorygoalie101 Me too proud to be Scottish ;)

  • The dog is a Scotty. Get it. Scotty. Scotland. Read about Greyfriar's Bobby.

  • im scottish! i love all my counrtry man,

  • My ancestors were of the Cameron clan, and i will love my country 'til the day i die.

  • @Alchohollica My Ancestors, Clann Cholmáin(Irish for Coleman) were the kings of Tara. Scotland gets its name from an Egyptian named Scotia. Whose sons were kings of Tara, according to the annals of Ireland. She is buried a few miles from were I live, Tralee. Up to the middle ages Ireland was known as Scotia Major and Scotland as Scotia Minor. Today Ireland gets its name from the word Aryan. In Irish it is Éireann. May we all love our country.

  • @cholmain Scotland got its name from the tribe called "scot" who came over from ireland and pushed the picts our or bred with them.... wtf is all this crap about egyptians?

  • @chockondick1 No need to swear, thanks. As I said, it's in the Annals of the four masters. Look it up, Scotia landed in Kenmare harbour. In 1955 the mound of the hostages at Tara was excavated and the remains of a young adult male was found, it was carbon dated around 1350 B.C, making him a contemporary of king Tut. The remains at Tara was still wearing a necklace which was identical in style and manufacture as one found in king Tut's grave. Tut's Y-DNA Subclade is R1b1b2a, and so it mine.

  • @chockondick1 The name Scot can also apply to any Gael, not just one tribe.

  • @cholmain no, it was one tribe that moved over and took of what was then called "pictland"

  • @chockondick1 True, one tribe did move over.

  • @cholmain Eire is the name of a Goddess, Eriu, so wrong there. Tara is not a Kingdom, or even a city. It was a ceremonial coronation hill, so there were never any "Kings of Tara."

  • @cholmain Eire is the name of a Goddess, Eriu, so wrong there. Tara is not a Kingdom, or even a city. It was a ceremonial coronation hill, so there were never any "Kings of Tara."

  • @LordClaremorris In Wikipedia search, "Kings of Tara". At the bottom of the page are the refs. from which the facts are obtained. Tara was located the kingdom in Mide, ref. kings of Mide. Then look up for chockondick1 on Brian Boru, & a ref. he was named "Imperator Scottorum"(Emperor of the Irish). It was the Dál Riada tribe who traveled to Pictland from Scotia to give it it's now name. Regarding the little known origin of the name Aryan, ref. The Irish Origins of Civilisation by Micheal Tsarion

  • @cholmain First off, the title "King of Tara" was possessed by legendary Kings whose existence cannot be verified and therefore should be considered fanciful. Unless you intend to argue that the Tuatha de Danann were real and, giants like Fin McCool walked around Ireland with pixies and leperchauns. Secondly, I never argued that the Scottish were originally Irish, so you wasted your time proving that. Google the name Eriu really quick, and Michael Tsarion? So the Egyptians were originally Celts?

  • @LordClaremorris You did not look up "kings of Tara" as I suggested. If you had you would see that there where historic kings of Tara, including Malachi II, Brian Ború's main rival for highkingship. Micheal Tsarion has references for what he says. You telling me to never bring him up again is not a very academic reply. Also you have no right to tell one what to do like that, it is rude. Assuming you know everything about Nicholas is also arrogant, if you did you would not say what you did.

  • @cholmain What's not very academic is imagining that a historian who has an absurd conclusion about Egyptians somehow being Celts that he posted online which hasn't been verified by any actual historians is somehow credible. How was Nicholas strong? And how much better did the front become when he arrived? King of Tara was a mythical and empty title. Tara wasn't anything but a ceremonial hill.

  • @LordClaremorris The Atlantean Irish, by Bob Quinn. Micheal Tsarion references about 280 books in part two of The Irish Origins of Civilisation. He has been proved right, before the DNA evidence, about the ruling ancient Egyptians. King Tut was a R1b1b2a and so am I as I have already said. And you still won't accept the kings of Tara were historical, actually held by some of the most powerful people. I'm hardly then going to "persuade" you of anything unusual or of anyone's bizarre experiences.

  • @LordClaremorris I have offered you the manuscripts and still do.

  • @cholmain What manuscripts? Showing Nicholas was an alien from Atlantis? No thank you. There's this thing I'm interested in called history. You're silly alternate history and conspiracy theories a la Michael Tsarion you can keep quite to yourself old boy. Very kind of you though.

  • @LordClaremorris It is impossible to sufficiently stress the importance Nicholas II history. He called for universal world peace and then organised the world's first international peace conference, leading eventually to the UN. The conference led to the establishment at the Hague of the Permanent Court of Arbitration, which exists to this very day. This "earned Nicholas II the right to immortality."

  • @cholmain That's incorrect. The First Geneva Convention was held in 1864, and then was followed by the St. Petersburg Declaration in 1868 when Alexander II was Czar, both of those led to Nicholas Hague Conventions. Besides, the UN was the direct result of the Atlantic Charter agreed to by Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill, and though they may have had ideas similar to Nicholas', they were not novel in Nicholas time. Such ideas date back at least to the Congress of Vienna in 1815.

  • @LordClaremorris This is not the place, but you are incorrect. The world was shocked by what he suggested, it was more than novel. I have a copy of a paper from that time.

  • @cholmain Also he called for universal World peace and then declared war on Austria over Serbia, and plunged the World into one of the most terrible wars in History. He ruined his Empire and caused the collapse of his own house. He's more influential in his failures than his successes.

  • @LordClaremorris Again you are incorrect, I have a copy if the memoirs of the Russian Foreign Minister of 1914. Again the facts have been twisted by bog standard academics, like Massie.

  • @cholmain Yeah I'm sure the conferences that predated the Hague were just "made up" and everyone in existence at the time agreed to lie about them happening. They actually never happened right and Nicholas is the first person EVER to conceive of the idea of World peace? NOBODY EVER thought of that in the 5,000 years of recorded history prior to that? Yeah I don't think so. Also, 1914 is clearly after 1864, so anachronism much?

  • @LordClaremorris They have no specific refs to anything to do with peace, only how war was to be fought "humanly", they were not "peace conferences." Your statement that "he...plunged the World into one of the most terrorable wars in history." is disingenuous. Where did you get such bias? Prior to that moment no thought has ever been given to the possibility of a World without war. From this genesis sprang all subsequent efforts to secure universal peace, leading finally to the UN.

  • @cholmain Nicholas' mobilisation against Austria started WWI. Germany informed Nicky that if he fought Austria Germany was bound by treaty to come to Russia's aid. Nicholas ignored that threat and declared war on Austria anyway. That obviously caused Germany to declare war on Russia in turn, which led to the further widening of the war. Nicholas could have just let Austria deal with Serbia, which wouldn't hurt Russia, but he didn't. So he is partially to blame. Peaceful guy that he is.

  • @LordClaremorris Austria's aid* Excuse me.

  • @LordClaremorris Here are the facts, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, even after Serbia agreed to all their terms. Therefore Germany was automatically at war with Serbia also and mobilised for war. Russia mobilised for preparation for possible self defense, otherwise she would have been defenseless for weeks if attacked also. Germany demanded Russia stop mobilising. Nicholas gave his word he would not attack, offered peace talks directly to the Kaiser, who ignored it, Germany declared war

  • @cholmain Except not. Germany had only a defence pact with Austria and was not required to come to her aid in the event of Austria being the aggressor. Russia threatened Austria with war should Austria invade Serbia, so that opens another possible war where Russia is the aggressor against Austria, which Germany pledged to defend against. Why would Germany and Austria invade Russia if they were at war with Serbia. That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

  • @LordClaremorris Well actually, that would be your statement that there were no "kings of Tara." Discussion over, I have a life.

  • @cholmain Mobilised for self defence against who? Austria did not want to fight Russia because Austria knew that Russia would win. Austria just wanted to destroy Serbia. Russia mobilised on the borders of Austria threatening Austria with war should they continue against Serbia. Germany therefore communicated to Russia to stand down or else Germany would mobilise in support of Austria. Russia ignored the threat. Quit dreaming that Nicholas is some saint.

  • @LordClaremorris BTW, I am not dreaming, Nicholas II is an official Russian saint, you should already know that.

  • @cholmain I know. An orthodox saint to be precise, I said that on purpose. He's only a saint because he was martyred, being a so-called "passion bearer." Not because he exhibited any saintly qualities. There's been saints who were downright murderous and evil people. Popes too, look up Rodrigo Borgia and talk about Holy Father. Being canonised by the Church doesn't mean crap in terms of historical facts.

  • @LordClaremorris Fantastic, you can discern good & bad: Post WWII archival research has confirmed that German political, military and business circles regarded the breakup of Russia and control of her resources as essential to Germany's global aspirations. Under the circumstances therefore war was inevitable. The Kaiser even said so publicly, repeatedly. In 1914 Germany knew Russia was reorganising militarily. The Kaiser wrote in a marginal note of a state document on this subject:"Now or never"

  • @cholmain I thought you had a life? Go live it. Nicholas wrote "Death to Germany" on a margin he sent to France. See I can make up bullshit too. Germany had provisional plans to invade the East Coast of the United States. The United States Navy had plans to fight the French in the Caribbean in the 1920's. That doesn't prove that the United States had some grand plan to fight the French and take their Caribbean Islands. Get real man.

  • @LordClaremorris I guessed you'd use a false argument like that. But the fact of what I say is that when Germany was finished with Russia it got exactly what it came looking for and took a vast area of it. And thereby did exactly what I had shown you, revealing what it's actual intentions were in 1914. Your right on one thing, I need to move on. You have lost all of your historical arguments and prob don't know it. It least you are honest when you say people are among you least favourite things.

  • @cholmain How is that a false argument? Just because Germany's war aims in the event of war with Russia were laid out doesn't mean Germany was plotting war with Russia from the beginning. Germany tried restraining Austria, and Britain pressured France to restrain Russia. Russia and Austria waved their allies aside and therefore war began. To insinuate that Russia is totally innocent and that Germany planning on attacking it all along is just silly.

  • @LordClaremorris There was a serious arms race & danger of war for years. Nicholas proposed to "freeze" arms at the peace conference he organised, Germany rejected it. You are Irish and like linguistics. I thought you would be interested in an observation of mine:

    Trédín, Pleiade(the timing of the 3 main Irish pagan festivals are used by them)

    Tréidlia, animal doctor(a shaman or druid)

    Treifideacht, inspirational(the root word for which is, spirit)

    Tréimhe, season

    Treibh, tribe, race, etc.

  • @cholmain Indeed? Noted. I'll look into those words. As for arms races, to freeze them would be silly. Russia had far fewer cannons and ships than say Britain or Germany. It would be an unequal trade, and what if someone cheats the agreement? Just like Japan, Germany, and Italy cheated the Washington Naval Treaty. It's folly and no doubt it would never be accepted by nations who feel surrounded and threatened.

  • @LordClaremorris Exactly, you just proved my point, Russia proposed the freeze and had fewer arms, hence, it was to Germany's advantage. Nicholas called the world's first peace conference and received the same reaction to it then as you have now. Germany also felt that the whole thing was folly and silly. Germany was even unable to agree an attempt at peace in principle. I actually do give up now. It was a historic world first and many nobly followed. Nicholas deserves full credit for that. End.

  • @cholmain You misunderstand. How was it to Germany's advantage to scuttle its ships and spike its cannons when it's so much stronger than Russia? Why would Germany accept equality with Russia if it's already a lot stronger than Russia? Say you and you're friend are collecting baseball cards, and he has a lot more than you, so you say "No more collecting! Let's throw them all away!" Why would he agree to that? He loses much more than you, same with this scenario. It was only to Russia's advantage

  • @LordClaremorris The Kaiser was in fact irritated to distraction. "The World greeted the Tzar's appeal with nothing but skepticism and scorn." And no one was even remotely prepared for such a thing and the World also reacted with astonishment. King George V said it was the most ridiculous thing he had ever heard. And George sure made it up to him by blocking his and his family's passage to Britain after it was approved by parliament, leading to their eventual deaths. What sort of ally was he!?

  • @LordClaremorris Sorry, that should read...importance of Nicholas II in world history.

  • @LordClaremorris I also see that you like Robert Massie. The man twisted all the facts on Nicholas to make him look bad. Email me and I will forward manuscripts to prove this [johngcoleman@eircom.net]