There is one passage in the bible that states if a thief comes in the night and gets struck on the head that there is to be no remorse for him. also when Jesus told his disciple to put away his sword after he cut the ear off off the other man, why is it he never told him to get rid of it, only to put it away. Also Jesus ordained ALL his disciples to have a weapon the fact that they only came back with two swords is so irrelevant. My point is, Jesus DID ordain having a weapon.
It makes me laugh!, the way you side step around trying to justify your passion for firearms ... make no mistake, you LOVE guns the way you love your motorbike, and all this talk about pacifists and ridiculous scenarios, is just your way of avoiding the part that doesnt FIT the way you would LIKE ... of what would JESUS think.
I think for starters he would prefer you be more honest with YOURSELF, let alone others.
But hey, people like you get so good at cherry picking that it must be hard eh!?
Interesting, re-watching this video after your comments on Stickham last night.
As I suspected at the time of your posting this, you are clearly into guns, you like them ... you get a kick out of them. Which I think your statement about your desired gun collection, to eventually own one of each caliber, ( a 38, 357, 44 magnum, 45, etc ) clearly portrays.
( They are not spanners Anthony, where it would be prudent to have one of each size in your ' tool box ', so as to get ' the job done ' )
Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword, even if they had to sell their cloak. He didn't need one because He had to die. His followers are mortal, so they had to defend themselves. That is being responsible for your life.
You are right, let's all buy guns. Jesus does want us to kill each other, especially families. "Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35).
KIlling is just an act, it is the intent of the actor which makes it good or evil. Me killing a criminal that tries to hurt another is a good act. That follows the law that Jesus proposes, loving someone through standing up for them, even if your life is at risk.
i would not encourage anyone 2 own or not 2 own a gun. It is up to good judgment. I think God will not judge you because you owned a gun.
Personally, i would not own a gun. if i was put in a situation you described. I will deal with it the best way possible 2 save my family. God can operate in many ways, a gun is a tool. agreed, but not the only means 2 save family. Remember David vs Goliath? Surely David could have been carrying a sword, but he just trusted the Lord
So you are saying, that because you are a man of god, you are excused to kill people with guns, since it's a tool god provided to mankind? And you say that killing ain't murder, then what is it? You are sick man, SICK!
The thing is, people who are ignorant about guns fear them. Teaching a child when they are young about guns isn't bad. If his kid gets a hold of his guns and kills people with them, it's his fault not the gun. You people make me sick. Millions of things can and ARE used to kill, so using the gun as a scapegoat for peoples actions is laughable. If more people were instructed about guns, and we enforced the laws we already have for them, they wouldn't be that big of a problem. Let's ban bats too.
"Killing is just an act" ?!?! One would assume that anyone with half a conscience would forever ask for forgiveness - not justify ending another person's life, irregardless of it being in defense of your own safety. It seems you have no qualms towards killing someone in self-defense - and it's that depersonalised, coldhearted type of mentality that it takes to 'murder' someone. Jesus is NOT the law.
Sorry if i double post i hit post comment and it didnt load for me the 1st time. Hello thought I shed some light. Lets take "thou shall not kill" to the absolute end. No stepping on bugs, dont kill animals, and dont chop down trees. In his instance where innocent lives are threaten, its ok to defend them. "Thou shall not kill" is talking about the killing of innocent people. The most innocent people are being killed daily, people who live in their mothers womb. Hope this helps.
Kel-Tec's are great guns for the price. I carry a P-11 on an ankle holster daily. (Yes, WITH a CCW permit.) Takes a while to get used to the 12lb trigger, but I like it now that I'm used to it. They don't like continuous use of +P ammo, though... keep that in mind at the range. I think you can buy a grip extension for the 380, definitely for the P-11, by visiting their website.
That being said, I see nothing wrong with responsible Christian adults owning firearms...so the debate rages on! :)
So, when JF777 uses the term "Christian" he must not be referring to the most dominant denomination, Catholicism. 5th commandment by ALL Catholic teachings is, " THOU SHALT NOT KILL". Doesn't say murder, so unless you're going throw Catholism under the bus, you must defend, "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" not murder. Jezuzfreek777, how do you deal with this?
jezuzfreek777 - you're not really a christian, are you. If you were & you encountered a hostage situation, you should pray. Or don't you believe in the power of prayer?
You'd defend yourself because you're a human being threatened by another human - you wouldn't pray for help because your god would be AWOL.
Guns are terrible things - get rid of them, please.
the best way to maintain peace is to prepare for war. - george washington. hve u heard the story of the guy in the flood who prayed that god would save him? a car came to pick him up, then a boat, and finally a helicopter. he said no, god would save him. he died. in heaven he asked god, y didnt u save me. he replies, i sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter to save you. to save ourselves, we may need a gun. in war, if someone was attacking us, id grab a shotgun and fight. that was redneck
I believe that God and Jesus created firearms so that we, his Holy Army upon the earth, shall go out and destroy all non-Christians. Why else would our great God create guns if we were not meant to use them? When I finally retire in about 3 years, I plan on spreading Jesus' word by putting a bullet into the brain of every Muslim, Jew, Atheist, and Satanist that I meet. They're all going to burn in Hell for all eternity anyways, so I might as well help Jesus put them there sooner.
They already tell us to shoot to disarm. Anything to protect the criminals. And I don't believe it will get better, these sorry fuckers won't be satisfied until honest people are helpless, and I won't let that happen. I'll defend myself how I see fit, and if those poor bastards don't like it, I dare any of them to attempt to stop me. Fuck them, and people who support their stupidity.
Muggers and murderers don't go around slapping people on the cheek. I can take a slap, but if somebody is really trying to hurt or kill me, I'm going to fight back just as hard they're coming at me.
Im all about seldefense, but if you call yourself a christian then you have to ignore the put the other cheeck thing, and the fifth commanment, so that makes you a hypocrit in my book.
A gun should be used to protect a life not to take a life unless the person uses it in self-defense. For example it's like saying joining the military and going to war and killing a enemy would that be good or evil?
Actually, he said, " Thou shalt not murder" Killing can be accidental. Big difference. Also,"Eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth" If a man tries to shoot you, you should shoot back or run away. If he kills you, you can't really do anything.
No, I wasn't missing the targets, we had to get 3 shots within a certain radius of each other, 1 quarter was marksman, 1 nickel was sharp shooter, and 1 dime was expert, I shot expert.
Shoot to disable is my reasoning on this issue, b/c if I can take a target down without killing him/her, i will.
Some good points, especially in the area of responsibilities of gun owners. I do not own a fire arm but many of my friends do. I have been to the range with them and have been taught the proper way to handle a deadly weapon.
My father said "Don't point a weapon at someone unless you are prepared to use it." and using it means that you might kill them. Even if your intent is not to kill there always remains the possibility that pointing a loaded weapon at someone will result in their death.
Guns are for weak people with little dicks. Nothing like bringing more violence into the world. All you think about is the best defense is having more offense... F yeah!! But when your weak nerdy ass is being thrown to the ground and your gun is in the hands of someone else, or being broken into and stolen then what? Who cares? Ooookay. Get yer guns matey we gots a trouble a brewin'... gay!
OK, maybe you're not quite so much like Ned Flanders as I thought. Ned Flanders would completely trust in God to protect him and his family.
Then again, you put a lot of undue trust in VenomFangX, who later admitted that he didn't give as much money to SickKids hospital as he said he would, and made ridiculous excuses. Does that mean you trust other YouTube christians (who you've never met in real life) more than you trust in God?
Oh and I find it kinda ironic that if jezuzfreek were to shoot someone that broke into his house..
The guy would be most likely be addicted to drugs...
Meaning he feels that he needs some extra cash in order to feed his habit..
jezuzfreek is against legalizing drugs, a single act that would decrease the amount of robberies significantly, making the products they are addicted to more affordable, thus the need to steal would plummet.
Though I am not for gun control, because I do believe it would simply create another black market, and yet another reason for government intrusivness..
HOWEVER, the debate in my eyes goes deeper than that. As in, for me PERSONALY I don't see a gun as being necassary..
So when I diss gun owners and guns, I diss the idea of owning them, not about BANNING GUNS..
For the most part, gun owners are simply paranoid. Statistically you ARE more likely to shoot a family member, than you are to defend against a home intruder..
Also, I saw on ganglands that many gang bangers actually break into houses with the intent to steal guns!
Hows THAT for irony? The very thing you bought in order to protect yourself from burglary, is the very thing that may be attracting them..
Guns are expensive, and they don't want to deal with the paper trail..
Hell the odds of your kids dying of some event that some basic knowledge in first would've helped, Or a circumstance where if they were properply trained to deal with it, would've made the difference...
Example- Have you ever been at a family function, and tried to pick up a child to run away with them?
The ones that go limp to the ground and grasp on your legs, are harder to do this to. Than the ones that frantically try to get away..
It probably depends on the surrounding circumstance.
Is the individual breaking in your home with it in MIND that he wants to harm you and your family? (Like a gang banger, breaking into a cops home with intent to do harm) (Personal)
Or is he breaking in your home with the intent to steal some valuables, but has a gun "just in case", and probably would be very hesitant to pull the trigger.(Non- personal)
not necessarily. It depends on a lot of things, but if you are skilled enough, martial arts would still do you good... but again, it would depend on the situation...
I guess it really couldn't hurt to have a gun, where as they can be useful AS A LAST RESORT. But I do think that, like I said, they should only be for a last resort... So i guess I am changing my opinion a little.
Technically clip is not slang for a magazine, its an older form of loading a weapon where all of the bullets were attached to a strip of metal that was fed into the gun, as seen in many ww2 rifles. Most people don't know the difference and assume that they are just slang terms meaning the same thing.
In a combat situation, unless your gun is under your pillow you arent going to reach it. There are plenty of other options to defend yourself just as equally well. (I.E in my room in my art drawer there are two knives.)
In the case of a motor car, it is illegal where I live to transfer a weapon in a car if it is concealed. Thus saying, car jacker would shoot you if you were upholding the law in fear of you reaching for the weapon.
Look, you think Jesus would allow his followers to carry guns if they were available then? Did they have swords & bows? You own a gun because you want to. And if you were honest you'd admit your saviour wouldn't approve.
Stop justifying your gun ownership by spouting worse case senarios that we know are highly unlikely to the point of absurd
I don't think guns are evil if they are put to good use. Shooting a person is evil but shooting an animal with rabies is not. Keeping a gun around the house to threaten people is bad but keeping one around for decoration is not. With that said, you have covered the morals about guns nicely.
"Shooting a person is evil but shooting an animal with rabies is not."
Does this include human animals who have contracted rabies, and will we be also extending the definition of person to include non human animals who share common interests?
Because the US has a shitty law, you, jezzuzfreek, are forced to buy a gun. Guns are meant for defending your self and some people may use them for killing. Machine guns are ment for killing only. Where I live, I don't need a gun because it's illigal here.
In war zones weapons are needed. I think it's bad you need a gun in America. It's not a war zone so why would the law permit it?
also, seriously, this guy is so insecure he has to try to justify his gun ownership to the world on youtube because he unconsciously knows that he probably shouldn't have one, and he feels guilty.
I'm more comfortable with the thought of a non-religious person having a gun rather than a fundie christian, if I have to live close to them.
I guess that's my prejudice : fundies are unpredictable and have a messed up sense of morality. The history of American serial killers speaks for itself.
Yes, scumbags have guns. So do a bunch of ignorant, redneck, teabagging "christians." Thats who my guns are for. Upholding and defending the constitution of the U.S. didn't end when I stopped wearing the uniform.
The idea that food is "innoccuous" is pretty obtuse.
Guns, btw JF, are not commonly used in our modern food chain. Any of the carcus you purchase at the super market was most certainly not "killed" by a bullet.
So let's look closely at the role firearms play in modern day society, and suburban life. Which brings us to your point Anthony, Intended use for your "tool"
You continue to paint yourself into corners JF. Jesus didn't even know what a gun was as far as the records show.
How much time, Jezuzfreek, do you think your intruder will give you once your family is duct taped to the kitchen table to go to your nice safe gun cabinet to retrieve your weapon in order to "defend" yourself? Or do you just carry around a loaded weapon at ALL times "just in case?" I'm sure that's really "safe" when your little girl crawls up onto your lap while you're watching TV. You're an idiot!
Who was it that said, "turn the other cheek?" Oh yeah! Some guy named Jesus! I can't believe you're using guns to propogate y our BS. You never cease to amaze me.
twisted, offensive and paranoid, jf. chances are if you care for your childrens ongoing wellbeing, you have your gun locked up or hidden. so if someone intrudes, you are not gonna have the chance or time to go get your gun. as someone who has been in a hostage situation myself, i know you don't realise the emotions you go through when your life or freedom is threatened. you probably wouldn't even think about your gun or its morality at that point. i have a pain in my gut by this video.
I guess I don't know your circumstance, it sounds terrible..
HOWEVER, do you think it would've made the situation any better, if you were trained for self defense?
Not simply, put a gun and pull the trigger. But knowing how to sweep the legs out of beneath somone, how to block a punch. And how to effectively disarm someone, either it be gun or knife..
Then you clearly didn't pay attention while living abroad. As most countries that have strict gun-control, have a vastly higher rate of violent crime when compared to the U.S.
Actually, if you could read, you'd see that ammunition supplies and distribution is higher than it has ever been before. There is more demand and manufacturing of ammunition going on for the civilian market, than there has ever been before, companies are working 7 days a week, at full capacity, and still can't meet demand.
I didn't know that drugs were a Constitution protect substance...oh wait...they aren't protected under the Constitution, while firearms are. Guess what...Liberals don't want you to be allowed to own most drugs either..GASP! I'm sure that just blew your mind
The constitution is not only about defining what are our rights, but what the government can do. If they were to list EVERYTHING that they believed we should be allowed to do, it would be a loong list. Therefore, they found it necassary to add the tenth amendment.
"powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Now, they believed guns to be so important, that the STATES shouldn't even have the rights to take them away..
During prohibition of alcohol, they had to AMEND the constitution.
Basically the question is not "Where in the constitution does it say we have the right to do drugs" Rather, the question should be "Where in the constituion does it grant the federal government the power to wage war on substances?"
Federal authority grants the Federal government the power to wage war, it shouldn't be any different for Congress if they want implement a pseudo-war on an illegal substance. It's important to note, that not all drugs are completely banned, hence negating what use that prohibition could add. The reason that there isn't a Constitutional amendment added to ban drugs, is simply because it isn't needed, as they are banned (for the most part) on the federal level.
Yes...all that being completely irrelevant to my position. Which is that the the right to own firearms, is in the Constitution, while the right to consume marijuana, or any other substance, is not directly mentioned, or implied in the Constitution. But please, go ahead and prove me wrong on that.
People seem to overjudge the amount of violence in America by the media over-reporting violent crimes. "If It Bleeds It Leads!" If someone helps an old lady change a flat tire by the side of the road, what's the story in that? But if they shoot her and take her purse, it's sure to be the leading story at 6.
The LORD created Sam Colt, and now his creation protects me. It all works out well in the end. Nobody has ever stated God doesn't work through people.
Then at the end of the day I feel like shit for it, but I get over it knowing that I did what was necessary to protect my life and the life of my family when I had the reasonable belief to believe it was in danger. Nobody every said things had to be fair, or just, owning a gun is a responsibility, one for which only a fool would assume may never pose a tragic consequence.
My post that preceded this one outlined a scenario where you would accidentally shoot your dad because it was dark and you couldn't see who it was. I don't think you'd get over shooting your dad in a day's time.
Identifying your target is still a moot point because once again your judgement is compromised, and the gun is basically an extension of yourself. And you won't know how you react in any given situation until you you're in it. Police actually train for years to prepare, do civilians?
I didn't say I would get over it in a day, I said I would get over it, as would any person who believed they were defending themselves from an intruder. And you're entire "scenario" is asinine in the first place. It bring up an extremely emotional fallacy to attempt to justify an asinine scenario. It's entirely illogical, in the first place. As it doesn't matter, if you believe you're under threat, what difference should it make?
Oh and, no sorry, the police don't train for years, they are lucky, very lucky to drain for a few weeks on firearm safety, and when to use them, and how to properly fire the weapon. Most civilians who've spend any amount of time around firearms are probably just as well-versed around firearms and their use as most police officers are.
Like others have said, it's a basic rule of firearms handling to not shoot anything you're not willing to destroy. In you scenario, the person shouldn't have fired in the first place, as they didn't even know what the hell they were firing at. Identify the target, be willing to destroy it, aim for center of mass. Basic firearm rules, that in your scenario were completely neglected. If you can't see why your scenario is implausible, then you don't need to comment further on the issue.
If you reached the level of "expert" in the armed services, and you'd shoot to disable, something, somewhere went horribly wrong. As you're never, ever, ever, ever, trained to disable, you're trained to shot to kill, center of mass, until what you're shooting stops moving. Period. That's just basic firearms knowledge, you never shot to disable or wound. No firearms instructor, DI, or officer would ever tell you any different. If you draw your weapon, you shoot to stop the threat not wound.
I wasn't in the real Armed Services per se, I was in a high school course known as JROTC "Junior Reserve Officers Training Corp" particularly the Army, as it's the closest military base where I am at.
Our SAI (Senior Army Instructor) who is a retired Army Major, never once said shoot to kill, and I was in JROTC for 3 and half school years, basically Freshmen year through the middle of my senior year, I at the time I left JROTC achieved the rank of Cadet 1st. Lt. and I was a Platoon Leader...
Then your "instructor" was dead wrong, and should never be allowed to teach anybody about firearms safety, or training. As he clearly, has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. By not shooting to kill, you endanger yourself, and those around you.
I don't think he would have become a firearms officer, nor a Major in the US Army, if he didn't, as we weren't being trained to shoot to kill, we were learning marksmanship, regardless, I shoot to disable, unless otherwise unable to.
If you shoot to disable, you're violating at the very least, 2 basic firearm safety rules, and tenants of firearm ownership. If the "instructor" told you to shoot to disable, he had no fucking clue what he was talking about, and should be ignored, as his opinion, will get you killed. You always, always, always, shoot at the center of mass, if you don't, you're doing it wrong and you need to put down your firearm now, and seek out basic training.
He never said to shoot to kill or shoot to disable, that's my own choice, and if you comprehend, I said I would try to shoot to disable, unless otherwise unable to.
Well, I don't plan on owning a firearm, because the government considers people who own guns terrorists.
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No, I'm clearly not. I'm apparently just the only person here with a properly functioning brain that understand the basic fucking rules of firearms. You don't aim to injury, you aim at the center of mass! Period! End of the fucking story. Anything else, any other suggestion, any even passing thought that you should aim to injury, if fucking wrong, and if you believe it, you have no business with a firearm.
Where you currently live, does your local Police force only aim at mass!? Period!? Hrmmmm! If your answer is anything other than "No" then you're clearly delusional, pal.
I never said they aimed at random mass. I said they aimed at the center of mass! The largest target on the body, they aim for the area of your chest. That's most often the largest part of your body, and it's considered your center of mass. Why is that so fucking hard for multiple people to comprehend? I'm not making this shit up, it's a basic damn rule of firearms handling and self-defense with a firearm. You do not aim to injury, you aim at the center of mass, and you shoot to destroy.
You shoot to destroy huh? jubeigh13, you're sick and a bit twisted and yes blood thirsty!!! I bet you've played 1 too many XBOX360 shooters too and you believe killing makes you some great macho stud, huh? Please don't call yourself Christian. You have no compassion at all, and yes you should have compassion for an attacker, you should be aiming to take them down not 'kill' or 'destroy' them, any law enforcement I've known has aimed to take people down without killing unless it's a last resort.
I'd be aiming for the legs, then have authorities take them in. The fact you feel nothing more than "destroying" them is worthy of being a gun owner shows how unstable you are. Your ideas scare me, quite honestly. Seek help for the sake of mankind.
normally someone of my rank holds one of the staff positions, S1, S2, etc. all the way to S5, but since I showed unwavering ability as a Platoon Leader, I kept that position, which made me the highest ranking Platoon Leader in the whole Battalion at the time.
Good, I'll be a living coward, living a good life, with my family and friends, and you'll be having the shit kicked out of you someday because you though carrying a firearm is for "cowards." So have, fun having the shit kicked out of you when you could have used a firearm to protect yourself.
What I love about the U.S. everyone feels like they have to have a gun in order to be safe. Dumb logic. The founding fathers told us we have the right to this f*** everything I'm getting a gun!!! HAA-HAA. I have the right to bear arms, it's how I can stay safe by bringing more guns into society. Using it for defense or not, I think owning one just so you can 'feel' safe, is pretty sad, quite honestly. Do you actually live in a bad part of town where you feel unsafe, or are you just paranoid?
Considering there are over a million cases of self-defense each year where a person used a gun to protect themselves, I'd say you'd be flat out damn wrong, and I'd be right.
I read this quote somewhere that anti gun folks dont think about. When you have only seconds to react to a criminal always remember the police are only minutes away!!!
But little jimmy cannot accidently kill himself with marijuana...
For PERSONAL use, I am anti-gun, I have heard of more suicides, and accidental injuries from guns, than I have heard about people DEFENDING themselves with guns.
But at the end of the day, I am against gun control because I don't want the extra harassment from cops.
AND, guns MIGHT, add a little extra fear in the hearts of some WOULD BE thieves..
And they don't know who is packing, and who is not :)
And you don't have a Constitutional Protect Right to have a gun. Only in the gun cultures delusion and twisting of the words does the constitution give this right. SO both of you have to get the hell over it.
Imagine a constitution that was about listing the freedoms of the people, it would go on and on and on, there is no possible way they could cover everything..
Therefore, the founders were intelligent enough to realize that describing what powers the government ought to have, would be a much shorter, better constitution.
The constitution in NO way delegates power to the feds to stop me from buying/selling marijuana..
Now, can you explain to me how it is constitutional?
Um...yes, the Constitution does give the government the power to stop you from buying and selling marijuana. Well, actually, it gives Congress the power to do that, as they dictate law in the country. It's Constitutional, because the Constitution has never prohibited Congress from making law, unless that law infringes upon rights granted by the Constitution.
Congress has the right to dictate law, as long as it is constitutional.
Just because they have overstepped their powers does not mean it is now magically constitutional!
Also, explain to me what U believe the tenth amendment means..
Whn I read it, I clearly see it to mean that if the cnstitution doesnt specifically give the feds the pwer to do something, it is up to the descretion of the individual sttes.
In the case of gns, thy saw it as so important, they dint want tht discretion
And please, explain to me, if congress has the RIGHT to dictate law, as long as the constituion doesn't SPECIFICALLY give ME the right to do it (These seems backwards as all hell, and is BEGGING for a big government)
Why did they have to AMEND the constitution in order to ban liquor?
Why bother amending the constitution at all?
During the first prohibition they did it properly. During the second, thye simply IGNORED the constituion.
Seriously.. When you read "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
How does this translate into "If the bill of rights does not grant a particular right, the federal government may try to stiffle it"
Again though, you're right when you say that marijuana use is not a PROTECTED right, as in the STATES can ban it.
That has exactly what to do with the Constitution? Nothing, that's about it. The Constitution was drafted, as an outline on the government, providing the bill of rights, as the basic tenants of what the government cannot infringement upon. The only thing they federal government cannot do, are things that the bill of rights prohibits the government from infringing upon. Like denying you freedom of speech, denying you a trial, etc. Everything else, that's not mandated is left to the states.
The bill of rights are about what the WHOLE system cannot do (including individual states, and the system on the whole)
The individual state cannot stiffle you from talking. The individual state cannot prevent you from owning a gun.. The individual state cannot search you without cause
now the individual state can ban liquor, and can ban marijuana..
If californians voted for legalized marijuana, would you be for allowing that?
in europe we arent allowed guns. so do you think in europe people should be allowed to carry guns? pacifism only works when everyone feels the same also a knife is useful in the kitchen but can be used to cut ppl if you know what I mean and you catch my drift.... God bless you amen.
It's my belief that you can own a small arms nuclear warhead, as long as your intent is good.
The neat thing about watching a christian trying to justify own handgun is the fact that there is no moral approval code when it comes to own one. Your heavenly father would actually want you to die in the face of danger as a testament of your faith. Not take another mans life, as you believe.
That wasn't the case in Sargent York's testimony in killing a few Germans saved hundreds of other Germans lives. SO it depends on the situation determined by the eternal purposes designed to keep a fallen world moving without it ending before its time.
I agree wholeheartedly. A gun is like a hammer or a knife or a wheel. It all depends on how it's used. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and even if there were no guns people would keep killing each other anyway.
What happened to the "turn the other cheek" philosophy? Self-protection might be acceptable from a legal standpoint but is it also "legal" in the eyes of God? Just wondering.
The "turn the other cheek" policy is a lot deeper than what it seems. You see, even Jesus got his point across by being loud and angry (only on one or two occasions), so we are not supposed to be timid and receptive to abuse. What "turn the other cheek" is meant by is that one should kill someone else's anger with not reacting violently/angrily. But this is usually not possible in a life or death situation. Also, there is a deep cultural meaning to the policy as well. I can explain if you want.
I agree with the majority of your points. when you were pitching the scenario of the man in your house with the knife, walking at your children, and you wield a gun. You say you would only shoot him in the leg. This is where I disagree. No hit is a garunteed stop except for central nervice system. You should take training classes so you are better equipped to use that tool. Two to the chest and one to the head. That's what I would do if someone was pursuing the death of my loced ones...
Guns are tools like this TOOL....
zerofrindz 2 months ago
There is one passage in the bible that states if a thief comes in the night and gets struck on the head that there is to be no remorse for him. also when Jesus told his disciple to put away his sword after he cut the ear off off the other man, why is it he never told him to get rid of it, only to put it away. Also Jesus ordained ALL his disciples to have a weapon the fact that they only came back with two swords is so irrelevant. My point is, Jesus DID ordain having a weapon.
motoruler 1 year ago
@motoruler Yep Exodus 22:2 pretty much says it all.
Fordgt401965 2 months ago
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motoruler 1 year ago
Guns aren't evil in the hands of good people.
HeadbangerFromHell99 1 year ago
five *'s
0420harycary 1 year ago
Why do jesus freaks like guns so much, talking about christians in general.
Peace love and guns?
legi0naire 2 years ago
But JF who cares if you die? Heaven sounds way better than earth anyway right?
Yomanimaballa 2 years ago
It makes me laugh!, the way you side step around trying to justify your passion for firearms ... make no mistake, you LOVE guns the way you love your motorbike, and all this talk about pacifists and ridiculous scenarios, is just your way of avoiding the part that doesnt FIT the way you would LIKE ... of what would JESUS think.
I think for starters he would prefer you be more honest with YOURSELF, let alone others.
But hey, people like you get so good at cherry picking that it must be hard eh!?
M0THERKN0WSBEST 2 years ago
Interesting, re-watching this video after your comments on Stickham last night.
As I suspected at the time of your posting this, you are clearly into guns, you like them ... you get a kick out of them. Which I think your statement about your desired gun collection, to eventually own one of each caliber, ( a 38, 357, 44 magnum, 45, etc ) clearly portrays.
( They are not spanners Anthony, where it would be prudent to have one of each size in your ' tool box ', so as to get ' the job done ' )
M0THERKN0WSBEST 2 years ago
in the constitution it actually say "arms" not guns
"arms" can be twisted to mean loads of different things
even so if more guns made people safer america would be one of the safest places in the world. but it aint
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
crazy paranoid american
eagleclaww 2 years ago
Why are Christians so opposed to being killed even though this could mean that they would get into the kingdom of God even sooner?
For this reason, it's somewhat strange for Christians to defend themselves and thereby delay their journey into heaven.
AntiChrist67 2 years ago
1911. Dial 1, then the number.
Mossy500A 2 years ago
You're fighting fire with fire. Does that work? Some people think so but not me.
The real problem is that guns are way too easy to get. And you've proven that.
Guns are also not stored properly and that's why there's an epidemic of accidental shootings in houses. Bottom line: guns do more harm than good.
A Christian once told me: "Jesus would not want me to use violence. If it means I'm going to heaven sooner so be it."
Comments?
eproulx 2 years ago
Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword, even if they had to sell their cloak. He didn't need one because He had to die. His followers are mortal, so they had to defend themselves. That is being responsible for your life.
Mossy500A 2 years ago
You are right, let's all buy guns. Jesus does want us to kill each other, especially families. "Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35).
eproulx 2 years ago
KIlling is just an act, it is the intent of the actor which makes it good or evil. Me killing a criminal that tries to hurt another is a good act. That follows the law that Jesus proposes, loving someone through standing up for them, even if your life is at risk.
Mossy500A 2 years ago
LOL at 4:11..he should have said, "you have to ask yourself one question, do you feel lucky...well do ya punk?"
theFoxyHoxie 2 years ago
hi, i am a Chirstian.
i would not encourage anyone 2 own or not 2 own a gun. It is up to good judgment. I think God will not judge you because you owned a gun.
Personally, i would not own a gun. if i was put in a situation you described. I will deal with it the best way possible 2 save my family. God can operate in many ways, a gun is a tool. agreed, but not the only means 2 save family. Remember David vs Goliath? Surely David could have been carrying a sword, but he just trusted the Lord
gerinja 2 years ago
Wasn't the slingshot the pistol of his day?
He trusted the Lord, but he also utilize a tool that the Lord allowed him to own and train with.
Mossy500A 2 years ago
Let us make some atomic bombs and call them tools provided by god
If there comes any planes flying into our buildings,
let us then use our "tools" to make sure it won't happen again :)
9000pooper 2 years ago
Muslim: the unbelivers of allah most be killed because it says so in our book,
If we see an unbeliver we have to kill him, if we don't we will risk being killed by
our families or friends. our book is the only book that can be truth. Allah Ackbar.
9000pooper 2 years ago
Christian: our book tells us to kill all unbelivers, yet we don't do it because
here in this land you can get away with it. this should mean that I will go to hell,
but actually not, I just need to make an apology to jesus just before I die and
I will go to heaven, just as it says in our book,
the only book that can be truth. God Bless America.
9000pooper 2 years ago
Atheist: Our brainwashed army are killing people because of the acts from there beliefs from books.
There are no right or wrong, good or bad, good vs evil etc because all the acts made
has a reason behind it,
and from one point it might seem good but from the other it might seem bad.
9000pooper 2 years ago
he carrys it everyday....dude im kinda scared...
XinTv 2 years ago
So you are saying, that because you are a man of god, you are excused to kill people with guns, since it's a tool god provided to mankind? And you say that killing ain't murder, then what is it? You are sick man, SICK!
jona4176 2 years ago
It's funny to watch this and juxtapose it with the Family Guy video. Potty jokes = moral breakdown of society...Guns = awesome.
skanktimonious 2 years ago
Guns aren't evil.
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.
Poison12346 2 years ago
This video is embarrassing to watch.
How can you possibly try to justify owning a "tool" that is primarily designed to kill/murder/sameshit?
Your attempt at a correlation between food and guns is a joke.
Food (which is apparently wrong in it's own way) and guns are acceptable, yet a CARTOON aimed at adults is wrong and should be boycotted?
An imagined sin of a FICTIONAL cartoon is a bigger threat to you than your child getting a hold of your guns & harming themselves or somebody else?
gia303909 2 years ago
The thing is, people who are ignorant about guns fear them. Teaching a child when they are young about guns isn't bad. If his kid gets a hold of his guns and kills people with them, it's his fault not the gun. You people make me sick. Millions of things can and ARE used to kill, so using the gun as a scapegoat for peoples actions is laughable. If more people were instructed about guns, and we enforced the laws we already have for them, they wouldn't be that big of a problem. Let's ban bats too.
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago
Killing is just an act. Murder is killing for evil reasons. Defense is killing for just reasons.
Mossy500A 2 years ago
"Killing is just an act" ?!?! One would assume that anyone with half a conscience would forever ask for forgiveness - not justify ending another person's life, irregardless of it being in defense of your own safety. It seems you have no qualms towards killing someone in self-defense - and it's that depersonalised, coldhearted type of mentality that it takes to 'murder' someone. Jesus is NOT the law.
gia303909 2 years ago
If an attacker dies at the result of defending not only your life, but someone else, it was just.
What should a person do if faced in that situation?
Mossy500A 2 years ago
Sorry if i double post i hit post comment and it didnt load for me the 1st time. Hello thought I shed some light. Lets take "thou shall not kill" to the absolute end. No stepping on bugs, dont kill animals, and dont chop down trees. In his instance where innocent lives are threaten, its ok to defend them. "Thou shall not kill" is talking about the killing of innocent people. The most innocent people are being killed daily, people who live in their mothers womb. Hope this helps.
EmirpSumitpo 2 years ago
Kel-Tec's are great guns for the price. I carry a P-11 on an ankle holster daily. (Yes, WITH a CCW permit.) Takes a while to get used to the 12lb trigger, but I like it now that I'm used to it. They don't like continuous use of +P ammo, though... keep that in mind at the range. I think you can buy a grip extension for the 380, definitely for the P-11, by visiting their website.
That being said, I see nothing wrong with responsible Christian adults owning firearms...so the debate rages on! :)
ProphecyofGod 2 years ago
So, when JF777 uses the term "Christian" he must not be referring to the most dominant denomination, Catholicism. 5th commandment by ALL Catholic teachings is, " THOU SHALT NOT KILL". Doesn't say murder, so unless you're going throw Catholism under the bus, you must defend, "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" not murder. Jezuzfreek777, how do you deal with this?
charlesfloyb 2 years ago
in the original interpretation it was thou shalt not murder. we just changed for some reason.
pastordude123 2 years ago
jezuzfreek777 - you're not really a christian, are you. If you were & you encountered a hostage situation, you should pray. Or don't you believe in the power of prayer?
You'd defend yourself because you're a human being threatened by another human - you wouldn't pray for help because your god would be AWOL.
Guns are terrible things - get rid of them, please.
Peace.
klhcc 2 years ago
the best way to maintain peace is to prepare for war. - george washington. hve u heard the story of the guy in the flood who prayed that god would save him? a car came to pick him up, then a boat, and finally a helicopter. he said no, god would save him. he died. in heaven he asked god, y didnt u save me. he replies, i sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter to save you. to save ourselves, we may need a gun. in war, if someone was attacking us, id grab a shotgun and fight. that was redneck
pastordude123 2 years ago
guns don't kill people, crazy assholes like Jezuzfreek with guns kill people
clownporn1 2 years ago
I believe that God and Jesus created firearms so that we, his Holy Army upon the earth, shall go out and destroy all non-Christians. Why else would our great God create guns if we were not meant to use them? When I finally retire in about 3 years, I plan on spreading Jesus' word by putting a bullet into the brain of every Muslim, Jew, Atheist, and Satanist that I meet. They're all going to burn in Hell for all eternity anyways, so I might as well help Jesus put them there sooner.
NWG92 2 years ago
They already tell us to shoot to disarm. Anything to protect the criminals. And I don't believe it will get better, these sorry fuckers won't be satisfied until honest people are helpless, and I won't let that happen. I'll defend myself how I see fit, and if those poor bastards don't like it, I dare any of them to attempt to stop me. Fuck them, and people who support their stupidity.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Muggers and murderers don't go around slapping people on the cheek. I can take a slap, but if somebody is really trying to hurt or kill me, I'm going to fight back just as hard they're coming at me.
OneEyedJack1970 2 years ago
Im all about seldefense, but if you call yourself a christian then you have to ignore the put the other cheeck thing, and the fifth commanment, so that makes you a hypocrit in my book.
Cuythulu 2 years ago
A gun should be used to protect a life not to take a life unless the person uses it in self-defense. For example it's like saying joining the military and going to war and killing a enemy would that be good or evil?
AZDACKSGaming 2 years ago
The only tool I see here is YOU. You really are a credulous piece of shit. I can only hope that you become a victim of gun violence.
ejlnicolas 2 years ago
troll
jezuzfreek777 2 years ago
Stop avoiding the question.
5th Commandment, thou shalt not kill,
and yes, Jesus tells you to obey the commandments.
Are YOU picking which parts of the Bible to listen to?
Killing? I can ignore that one
Earth created in 6 days? Oh... that one I'll pick.
Are you picking which ones make sense to you?
Are you sure that what makes sense to YOU is exactly what God commands?
You realise that what you choose is not what other Christians have to choose... right?
PT109Boat 2 years ago
Actually, he said, " Thou shalt not murder" Killing can be accidental. Big difference. Also,"Eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth" If a man tries to shoot you, you should shoot back or run away. If he kills you, you can't really do anything.
Losermountain 2 years ago
Eye for and eye, tooth for tooth? I think Jesus is the dude that said "turn the other cheek".
If i'm wrong, then we're reading different bibles. if i'm right, then the bible is shit.
HamimIsagod 2 years ago
eye for eye= law situations
turn the other cheek= small social situations
Losermountain 2 years ago
like i said.....
jezuzfreek777 2 years ago
One comment not a troll makes...
Avoiding the question over and over again is a sign that something is not right.
Why pick and choose what YOU like and dislike in the Bible?
"This is not comfortable... I'm going to ignore it.
This one is not so bad... I'll obey this one"
Are you really putting yourself above the Bible?
Are you the Judge to give value of what the is in the Bible for your comfort?
You will ignore the question and/or answer something else...
like all liars.
Remember the 9th?
PT109Boat 2 years ago
You make a good point. The majority of people will never have to kill another human being in their life, but pacifism isn't always the right way.
patworx1 2 years ago
Yes, you are a very poor source, it is common knowledge marijuana is illegal on the FEDERAL level.
Just look at all he controversy surrounding states legalizing marijuana for medical reasons.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
We weren't shooting to simulate a human, and they were either something like this,
homedefenseproducts . com/catalog/images/TARGET3.jpg
or like this
wiltsrodguns. com/acatalog/white-targets.jpg
No, I wasn't missing the targets, we had to get 3 shots within a certain radius of each other, 1 quarter was marksman, 1 nickel was sharp shooter, and 1 dime was expert, I shot expert.
Shoot to disable is my reasoning on this issue, b/c if I can take a target down without killing him/her, i will.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
As much as possible we people should have peace but when needed use it : )
SPITVIPAH02 2 years ago
I've thought about getting a gun also.
If someone was threatening my family...I would shoot them in a heartbeat.
hshambaugh 2 years ago
Some good points, especially in the area of responsibilities of gun owners. I do not own a fire arm but many of my friends do. I have been to the range with them and have been taught the proper way to handle a deadly weapon.
My father said "Don't point a weapon at someone unless you are prepared to use it." and using it means that you might kill them. Even if your intent is not to kill there always remains the possibility that pointing a loaded weapon at someone will result in their death.
mdproinc 2 years ago
I like my military with all the GUNS, not my society and or neighbours, thank you very much.
EllerySneed 2 years ago
Guns are for weak people with little dicks. Nothing like bringing more violence into the world. All you think about is the best defense is having more offense... F yeah!! But when your weak nerdy ass is being thrown to the ground and your gun is in the hands of someone else, or being broken into and stolen then what? Who cares? Ooookay. Get yer guns matey we gots a trouble a brewin'... gay!
EllerySneed 2 years ago
Ned Flanders has a gun!?!
OK, maybe you're not quite so much like Ned Flanders as I thought. Ned Flanders would completely trust in God to protect him and his family.
Then again, you put a lot of undue trust in VenomFangX, who later admitted that he didn't give as much money to SickKids hospital as he said he would, and made ridiculous excuses. Does that mean you trust other YouTube christians (who you've never met in real life) more than you trust in God?
Heathenfidel 2 years ago
Do you think Jesus would've had a gun?
DrJobinsp 2 years ago
If something else were invented, jezuzfreek would be holding that up..
And we would be discussing that..
That in no way prooves your point..
And that hing that would "take it's place" probably would function LIKE A GUN..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Oh and I find it kinda ironic that if jezuzfreek were to shoot someone that broke into his house..
The guy would be most likely be addicted to drugs...
Meaning he feels that he needs some extra cash in order to feed his habit..
jezuzfreek is against legalizing drugs, a single act that would decrease the amount of robberies significantly, making the products they are addicted to more affordable, thus the need to steal would plummet.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
(I keep on having small things to add)
Though I am not for gun control, because I do believe it would simply create another black market, and yet another reason for government intrusivness..
HOWEVER, the debate in my eyes goes deeper than that. As in, for me PERSONALY I don't see a gun as being necassary..
So when I diss gun owners and guns, I diss the idea of owning them, not about BANNING GUNS..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
For the most part, gun owners are simply paranoid. Statistically you ARE more likely to shoot a family member, than you are to defend against a home intruder..
Also, I saw on ganglands that many gang bangers actually break into houses with the intent to steal guns!
Hows THAT for irony? The very thing you bought in order to protect yourself from burglary, is the very thing that may be attracting them..
Guns are expensive, and they don't want to deal with the paper trail..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Hell the odds of your kids dying of some event that some basic knowledge in first would've helped, Or a circumstance where if they were properply trained to deal with it, would've made the difference...
Example- Have you ever been at a family function, and tried to pick up a child to run away with them?
The ones that go limp to the ground and grasp on your legs, are harder to do this to. Than the ones that frantically try to get away..
Add screaming ot the mix...
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
But when the other guy has a gun, martial arts don't really do much.
NDLlama1 2 years ago
I wish my college would allow students to have guns on campus
Paulwhoisvegan 2 years ago
It probably depends on the surrounding circumstance.
Is the individual breaking in your home with it in MIND that he wants to harm you and your family? (Like a gang banger, breaking into a cops home with intent to do harm) (Personal)
Or is he breaking in your home with the intent to steal some valuables, but has a gun "just in case", and probably would be very hesitant to pull the trigger.(Non- personal)
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
not necessarily. It depends on a lot of things, but if you are skilled enough, martial arts would still do you good... but again, it would depend on the situation...
I guess it really couldn't hurt to have a gun, where as they can be useful AS A LAST RESORT. But I do think that, like I said, they should only be for a last resort... So i guess I am changing my opinion a little.
vinnyboonbots 2 years ago
Technically clip is not slang for a magazine, its an older form of loading a weapon where all of the bullets were attached to a strip of metal that was fed into the gun, as seen in many ww2 rifles. Most people don't know the difference and assume that they are just slang terms meaning the same thing.
NDLlama1 2 years ago
In a combat situation, unless your gun is under your pillow you arent going to reach it. There are plenty of other options to defend yourself just as equally well. (I.E in my room in my art drawer there are two knives.)
In the case of a motor car, it is illegal where I live to transfer a weapon in a car if it is concealed. Thus saying, car jacker would shoot you if you were upholding the law in fear of you reaching for the weapon.
Atillaelfun 2 years ago
Then you open carry, which is legal in most states, or you get a concealed carry permit. Problem solved.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
American's and their bloody guns...
Look, you think Jesus would allow his followers to carry guns if they were available then? Did they have swords & bows? You own a gun because you want to. And if you were honest you'd admit your saviour wouldn't approve.
Stop justifying your gun ownership by spouting worse case senarios that we know are highly unlikely to the point of absurd
Come on man, you're better than this.
Blandamour 2 years ago
Actually, Jesus did tell His followers to carry swords...
"Then Jesus asked them, 'When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?' 'Nothing,. they answered.
He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one'" (Luke 22:35-36).
Never mind all the scenarios in the Old Testament where killing was justified or even commanded.
MetalSandman999 2 years ago
I don't think guns are evil if they are put to good use. Shooting a person is evil but shooting an animal with rabies is not. Keeping a gun around the house to threaten people is bad but keeping one around for decoration is not. With that said, you have covered the morals about guns nicely.
Btw, nice gun jezuzfreek.
dogpacks 2 years ago
"Shooting a person is evil but shooting an animal with rabies is not."
Does this include human animals who have contracted rabies, and will we be also extending the definition of person to include non human animals who share common interests?
MikkalaTube 2 years ago
I think everyone should trade in their guns for a nice pair of boobs!
jrfist 2 years ago
And pick up a beaitufl lady..
Blondes and brunettes and not fighter jets!
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Because the US has a shitty law, you, jezzuzfreek, are forced to buy a gun. Guns are meant for defending your self and some people may use them for killing. Machine guns are ment for killing only. Where I live, I don't need a gun because it's illigal here.
In war zones weapons are needed. I think it's bad you need a gun in America. It's not a war zone so why would the law permit it?
Ritsaart 2 years ago
also, seriously, this guy is so insecure he has to try to justify his gun ownership to the world on youtube because he unconsciously knows that he probably shouldn't have one, and he feels guilty.
dkshubert 2 years ago
someone with an explosive temper like yours shouldn't have a gun.
dkshubert 2 years ago
I'm more comfortable with the thought of a non-religious person having a gun rather than a fundie christian, if I have to live close to them.
I guess that's my prejudice : fundies are unpredictable and have a messed up sense of morality. The history of American serial killers speaks for itself.
slipcurve 2 years ago
Anyway, nice pistol.
slipcurve 2 years ago
Yes, scumbags have guns. So do a bunch of ignorant, redneck, teabagging "christians." Thats who my guns are for. Upholding and defending the constitution of the U.S. didn't end when I stopped wearing the uniform.
keithmoslak 2 years ago
The idea that food is "innoccuous" is pretty obtuse.
Guns, btw JF, are not commonly used in our modern food chain. Any of the carcus you purchase at the super market was most certainly not "killed" by a bullet.
So let's look closely at the role firearms play in modern day society, and suburban life. Which brings us to your point Anthony, Intended use for your "tool"
You continue to paint yourself into corners JF. Jesus didn't even know what a gun was as far as the records show.
MikkalaTube 2 years ago
You are SUCH an idiot! You make me sick
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
How much time, Jezuzfreek, do you think your intruder will give you once your family is duct taped to the kitchen table to go to your nice safe gun cabinet to retrieve your weapon in order to "defend" yourself? Or do you just carry around a loaded weapon at ALL times "just in case?" I'm sure that's really "safe" when your little girl crawls up onto your lap while you're watching TV. You're an idiot!
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
...and yet YOU would compare the danger of personal obesity to a hand gun. Are you stupid?
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
"Or do you just carry around a loaded weapon at ALL times 'just in case'"?
That is part of the reason I am taking up karate..
No accidental shootings, However if someone busted in, having a couple batons in arms reach and the training to use them.. would do just fine :D
Also, some christians probably would claim that GOD would protect them. Why have guns for protection?
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Who was it that said, "turn the other cheek?" Oh yeah! Some guy named Jesus! I can't believe you're using guns to propogate y our BS. You never cease to amaze me.
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
twisted, offensive and paranoid, jf. chances are if you care for your childrens ongoing wellbeing, you have your gun locked up or hidden. so if someone intrudes, you are not gonna have the chance or time to go get your gun. as someone who has been in a hostage situation myself, i know you don't realise the emotions you go through when your life or freedom is threatened. you probably wouldn't even think about your gun or its morality at that point. i have a pain in my gut by this video.
breezyspreezy 2 years ago
I guess I don't know your circumstance, it sounds terrible..
HOWEVER, do you think it would've made the situation any better, if you were trained for self defense?
Not simply, put a gun and pull the trigger. But knowing how to sweep the legs out of beneath somone, how to block a punch. And how to effectively disarm someone, either it be gun or knife..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Yeah Dick Chaney shot his friend in the back! Ha! Priceless.
WinterHaven 2 years ago
Then you clearly didn't pay attention while living abroad. As most countries that have strict gun-control, have a vastly higher rate of violent crime when compared to the U.S.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
This is bullshit. Pure and simple. Another twisting of the facts to support your agenda. Choose comparable first world countries, and say the same.
quedorf 2 years ago
Actually, if you could read, you'd see that ammunition supplies and distribution is higher than it has ever been before. There is more demand and manufacturing of ammunition going on for the civilian market, than there has ever been before, companies are working 7 days a week, at full capacity, and still can't meet demand.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Indiana is a pretty friendly state when firearm ownership is concerned.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
I didn't know that drugs were a Constitution protect substance...oh wait...they aren't protected under the Constitution, while firearms are. Guess what...Liberals don't want you to be allowed to own most drugs either..GASP! I'm sure that just blew your mind
jubeigh13 2 years ago
The constitution is not only about defining what are our rights, but what the government can do. If they were to list EVERYTHING that they believed we should be allowed to do, it would be a loong list. Therefore, they found it necassary to add the tenth amendment.
"powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Now, they believed guns to be so important, that the STATES shouldn't even have the rights to take them away..
During prohibition of alcohol, they had to AMEND the constitution.
Basically the question is not "Where in the constitution does it say we have the right to do drugs" Rather, the question should be "Where in the constituion does it grant the federal government the power to wage war on substances?"
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Federal authority grants the Federal government the power to wage war, it shouldn't be any different for Congress if they want implement a pseudo-war on an illegal substance. It's important to note, that not all drugs are completely banned, hence negating what use that prohibition could add. The reason that there isn't a Constitutional amendment added to ban drugs, is simply because it isn't needed, as they are banned (for the most part) on the federal level.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Yes...all that being completely irrelevant to my position. Which is that the the right to own firearms, is in the Constitution, while the right to consume marijuana, or any other substance, is not directly mentioned, or implied in the Constitution. But please, go ahead and prove me wrong on that.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
People seem to overjudge the amount of violence in America by the media over-reporting violent crimes. "If It Bleeds It Leads!" If someone helps an old lady change a flat tire by the side of the road, what's the story in that? But if they shoot her and take her purse, it's sure to be the leading story at 6.
J4N15 2 years ago
He probably blocked you because you're a fucking annoying moron, who is blatantly trolling his video and him.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
The LORD created Sam Colt, and now his creation protects me. It all works out well in the end. Nobody has ever stated God doesn't work through people.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
So that makes Christianity as violent as Islam religion.
WinterHaven 2 years ago
You must really fucking hate yourself then, right?
jubeigh13 2 years ago
The TC is 400lbs, film-maker who makes million of dollars by making films filled with shoddy facts, flat out lies, bias and misinformation?
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Spelling police is in the past, they are now referred to as grammar Nazi's.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Maybe you're badass non "cowardly" skills will help you from dying as well..oh wait, they won't. Hence you're point is invalid and moronic.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Then at the end of the day I feel like shit for it, but I get over it knowing that I did what was necessary to protect my life and the life of my family when I had the reasonable belief to believe it was in danger. Nobody every said things had to be fair, or just, owning a gun is a responsibility, one for which only a fool would assume may never pose a tragic consequence.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
My post that preceded this one outlined a scenario where you would accidentally shoot your dad because it was dark and you couldn't see who it was. I don't think you'd get over shooting your dad in a day's time.
Identifying your target is still a moot point because once again your judgement is compromised, and the gun is basically an extension of yourself. And you won't know how you react in any given situation until you you're in it. Police actually train for years to prepare, do civilians?
EikC 2 years ago
I didn't say I would get over it in a day, I said I would get over it, as would any person who believed they were defending themselves from an intruder. And you're entire "scenario" is asinine in the first place. It bring up an extremely emotional fallacy to attempt to justify an asinine scenario. It's entirely illogical, in the first place. As it doesn't matter, if you believe you're under threat, what difference should it make?
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Oh and, no sorry, the police don't train for years, they are lucky, very lucky to drain for a few weeks on firearm safety, and when to use them, and how to properly fire the weapon. Most civilians who've spend any amount of time around firearms are probably just as well-versed around firearms and their use as most police officers are.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Like others have said, it's a basic rule of firearms handling to not shoot anything you're not willing to destroy. In you scenario, the person shouldn't have fired in the first place, as they didn't even know what the hell they were firing at. Identify the target, be willing to destroy it, aim for center of mass. Basic firearm rules, that in your scenario were completely neglected. If you can't see why your scenario is implausible, then you don't need to comment further on the issue.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
If you reached the level of "expert" in the armed services, and you'd shoot to disable, something, somewhere went horribly wrong. As you're never, ever, ever, ever, trained to disable, you're trained to shot to kill, center of mass, until what you're shooting stops moving. Period. That's just basic firearms knowledge, you never shot to disable or wound. No firearms instructor, DI, or officer would ever tell you any different. If you draw your weapon, you shoot to stop the threat not wound.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
I wasn't in the real Armed Services per se, I was in a high school course known as JROTC "Junior Reserve Officers Training Corp" particularly the Army, as it's the closest military base where I am at.
Our SAI (Senior Army Instructor) who is a retired Army Major, never once said shoot to kill, and I was in JROTC for 3 and half school years, basically Freshmen year through the middle of my senior year, I at the time I left JROTC achieved the rank of Cadet 1st. Lt. and I was a Platoon Leader...
Airportchris2 2 years ago
Then your "instructor" was dead wrong, and should never be allowed to teach anybody about firearms safety, or training. As he clearly, has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. By not shooting to kill, you endanger yourself, and those around you.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
I don't think he would have become a firearms officer, nor a Major in the US Army, if he didn't, as we weren't being trained to shoot to kill, we were learning marksmanship, regardless, I shoot to disable, unless otherwise unable to.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
If you shoot to disable, you're violating at the very least, 2 basic firearm safety rules, and tenants of firearm ownership. If the "instructor" told you to shoot to disable, he had no fucking clue what he was talking about, and should be ignored, as his opinion, will get you killed. You always, always, always, shoot at the center of mass, if you don't, you're doing it wrong and you need to put down your firearm now, and seek out basic training.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
He never said to shoot to kill or shoot to disable, that's my own choice, and if you comprehend, I said I would try to shoot to disable, unless otherwise unable to.
Well, I don't plan on owning a firearm, because the government considers people who own guns terrorists.
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Airportchris2 2 years ago
"By not shooting to kill, you endanger yourself, and those around you."
You're clearly blood thirsty there jubeigh13, I hope you're not Christian, cause you set a horrible example, I must say.
EllerySneed 2 years ago
No, I'm clearly not. I'm apparently just the only person here with a properly functioning brain that understand the basic fucking rules of firearms. You don't aim to injury, you aim at the center of mass! Period! End of the fucking story. Anything else, any other suggestion, any even passing thought that you should aim to injury, if fucking wrong, and if you believe it, you have no business with a firearm.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Where you currently live, does your local Police force only aim at mass!? Period!? Hrmmmm! If your answer is anything other than "No" then you're clearly delusional, pal.
EllerySneed 2 years ago
I never said they aimed at random mass. I said they aimed at the center of mass! The largest target on the body, they aim for the area of your chest. That's most often the largest part of your body, and it's considered your center of mass. Why is that so fucking hard for multiple people to comprehend? I'm not making this shit up, it's a basic damn rule of firearms handling and self-defense with a firearm. You do not aim to injury, you aim at the center of mass, and you shoot to destroy.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
You shoot to destroy huh? jubeigh13, you're sick and a bit twisted and yes blood thirsty!!! I bet you've played 1 too many XBOX360 shooters too and you believe killing makes you some great macho stud, huh? Please don't call yourself Christian. You have no compassion at all, and yes you should have compassion for an attacker, you should be aiming to take them down not 'kill' or 'destroy' them, any law enforcement I've known has aimed to take people down without killing unless it's a last resort.
EllerySneed 2 years ago
I'd be aiming for the legs, then have authorities take them in. The fact you feel nothing more than "destroying" them is worthy of being a gun owner shows how unstable you are. Your ideas scare me, quite honestly. Seek help for the sake of mankind.
EllerySneed 2 years ago
(cont.)
normally someone of my rank holds one of the staff positions, S1, S2, etc. all the way to S5, but since I showed unwavering ability as a Platoon Leader, I kept that position, which made me the highest ranking Platoon Leader in the whole Battalion at the time.
So, any further questions?
Airportchris2 2 years ago
Good, I'll be a living coward, living a good life, with my family and friends, and you'll be having the shit kicked out of you someday because you though carrying a firearm is for "cowards." So have, fun having the shit kicked out of you when you could have used a firearm to protect yourself.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
What I love about the U.S. everyone feels like they have to have a gun in order to be safe. Dumb logic. The founding fathers told us we have the right to this f*** everything I'm getting a gun!!! HAA-HAA. I have the right to bear arms, it's how I can stay safe by bringing more guns into society. Using it for defense or not, I think owning one just so you can 'feel' safe, is pretty sad, quite honestly. Do you actually live in a bad part of town where you feel unsafe, or are you just paranoid?
EllerySneed 2 years ago
Considering there are over a million cases of self-defense each year where a person used a gun to protect themselves, I'd say you'd be flat out damn wrong, and I'd be right.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Banning never works. Regulation is always the key!
sapzap96 2 years ago
Agreed.
sapzap96 2 years ago
I read this quote somewhere that anti gun folks dont think about. When you have only seconds to react to a criminal always remember the police are only minutes away!!!
nomoreliesfrom44 2 years ago
I guess it cos you american guys are the cow boys theres a new sheriff in town...lol
romanempiresucks 2 years ago
Guns are 100000X more dangrous then pot could ever be. But yet they could be legal and pot cant be.
dbaber92 2 years ago
you can't defend your life, family or others with pot
ForGodSoLoved33 2 years ago
But little jimmy cannot accidently kill himself with marijuana...
For PERSONAL use, I am anti-gun, I have heard of more suicides, and accidental injuries from guns, than I have heard about people DEFENDING themselves with guns.
But at the end of the day, I am against gun control because I don't want the extra harassment from cops.
AND, guns MIGHT, add a little extra fear in the hearts of some WOULD BE thieves..
And they don't know who is packing, and who is not :)
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
You don't have a Constitutional Protect right to smoke, get the hell over it.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
And you don't have a Constitutional Protect Right to have a gun. Only in the gun cultures delusion and twisting of the words does the constitution give this right. SO both of you have to get the hell over it.
quedorf 2 years ago
.. You guys praise the constitution, yet you guys demonstrate time and time again that you do not understand it!
The constitution wasn't only about telling the PEOPLE what they can do, but about what powers the GOVERNMENT has.
Where in the constitution does it give the federal government the power to declare war on substances?
Hell, where in the constitution does it give you the "right to travel"?
It doesnt, but it doesnt give the feds the power to stop you from travel..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Imagine a constitution that was about listing the freedoms of the people, it would go on and on and on, there is no possible way they could cover everything..
Therefore, the founders were intelligent enough to realize that describing what powers the government ought to have, would be a much shorter, better constitution.
The constitution in NO way delegates power to the feds to stop me from buying/selling marijuana..
Now, can you explain to me how it is constitutional?
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Um...yes, the Constitution does give the government the power to stop you from buying and selling marijuana. Well, actually, it gives Congress the power to do that, as they dictate law in the country. It's Constitutional, because the Constitution has never prohibited Congress from making law, unless that law infringes upon rights granted by the Constitution.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
Congress has the right to dictate law, as long as it is constitutional.
Just because they have overstepped their powers does not mean it is now magically constitutional!
Also, explain to me what U believe the tenth amendment means..
Whn I read it, I clearly see it to mean that if the cnstitution doesnt specifically give the feds the pwer to do something, it is up to the descretion of the individual sttes.
In the case of gns, thy saw it as so important, they dint want tht discretion
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
And please, explain to me, if congress has the RIGHT to dictate law, as long as the constituion doesn't SPECIFICALLY give ME the right to do it (These seems backwards as all hell, and is BEGGING for a big government)
Why did they have to AMEND the constitution in order to ban liquor?
Why bother amending the constitution at all?
During the first prohibition they did it properly. During the second, thye simply IGNORED the constituion.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
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Seriously.. When you read "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
How does this translate into "If the bill of rights does not grant a particular right, the federal government may try to stiffle it"
Again though, you're right when you say that marijuana use is not a PROTECTED right, as in the STATES can ban it.
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
That has exactly what to do with the Constitution? Nothing, that's about it. The Constitution was drafted, as an outline on the government, providing the bill of rights, as the basic tenants of what the government cannot infringement upon. The only thing they federal government cannot do, are things that the bill of rights prohibits the government from infringing upon. Like denying you freedom of speech, denying you a trial, etc. Everything else, that's not mandated is left to the states.
jubeigh13 2 years ago
The bill of rights are about what the WHOLE system cannot do (including individual states, and the system on the whole)
The individual state cannot stiffle you from talking. The individual state cannot prevent you from owning a gun.. The individual state cannot search you without cause
now the individual state can ban liquor, and can ban marijuana..
If californians voted for legalized marijuana, would you be for allowing that?
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Hey jezusfreek I'd love for you to play with my gun, just be careful it's awful sensitive.
Amen
CapainSherlock 2 years ago
I dont live near a desert.
jezuzfreek777 2 years ago
You only have one life. When you die thats the end. enjoy.
MrSniperknife 2 years ago
in europe we arent allowed guns. so do you think in europe people should be allowed to carry guns? pacifism only works when everyone feels the same also a knife is useful in the kitchen but can be used to cut ppl if you know what I mean and you catch my drift.... God bless you amen.
romanempiresucks 2 years ago
It's my belief that you can own a small arms nuclear warhead, as long as your intent is good.
The neat thing about watching a christian trying to justify own handgun is the fact that there is no moral approval code when it comes to own one. Your heavenly father would actually want you to die in the face of danger as a testament of your faith. Not take another mans life, as you believe.
Sorry, but you are mistaken.
boburanus69 2 years ago
That wasn't the case in Sargent York's testimony in killing a few Germans saved hundreds of other Germans lives. SO it depends on the situation determined by the eternal purposes designed to keep a fallen world moving without it ending before its time.
pathograce 2 years ago
I agree wholeheartedly. A gun is like a hammer or a knife or a wheel. It all depends on how it's used. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and even if there were no guns people would keep killing each other anyway.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
What happened to the "turn the other cheek" philosophy? Self-protection might be acceptable from a legal standpoint but is it also "legal" in the eyes of God? Just wondering.
tranquilnostalgia 2 years ago
The "turn the other cheek" policy is a lot deeper than what it seems. You see, even Jesus got his point across by being loud and angry (only on one or two occasions), so we are not supposed to be timid and receptive to abuse. What "turn the other cheek" is meant by is that one should kill someone else's anger with not reacting violently/angrily. But this is usually not possible in a life or death situation. Also, there is a deep cultural meaning to the policy as well. I can explain if you want.
clayisajedi444 2 years ago
jezusfreek, any kind of violence is bad in gods eyes.
Median333 2 years ago
Do you wear a seatbelt when you are in a car? Why would you, I have driven my entire life and never been in a crash.
His two guns have different purposes. One is larger and better suited for home defense while the other is for concealed carry.
To ask why someone defies the odds of life to protect themselves is ridiculous. THINK kid...
Jynx92 2 years ago
I agree with the majority of your points. when you were pitching the scenario of the man in your house with the knife, walking at your children, and you wield a gun. You say you would only shoot him in the leg. This is where I disagree. No hit is a garunteed stop except for central nervice system. You should take training classes so you are better equipped to use that tool. Two to the chest and one to the head. That's what I would do if someone was pursuing the death of my loced ones...
Jynx92 2 years ago
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M0THERKN0WSBEST 2 years ago
and to think i saved your private message to me. i was planning on responding to it but after reading these insults i might just pass on that.
jezuzfreek777 2 years ago