“When I hear new music coming into my head, its mission is integrated into its notes. It basically tells me how it wants to be.” – John McLaughlin. From Page 1 of the book “Follow Your Heart – John McLaughlin song by song.”
@nevertheless123 it is John himself explaining the role of spiritual music which fools like you will never be able to grasp. When he says "you" he doesn't mean the listener personally, because he is talking about the role every good musician has to play when he enters the stage. "Consciousness" is the connecting link between all people who participate, it is the screen where everything is connected to everything. Listen to my own music which i have written and played : emeraldo.de
@emeraldomusik trust me I think John Mclaughlin, L Shankar, and Zakir are great artists,
and I used to be a HUGE fan of Shakthi.
but I would rather prefer well thought out music rather than "jamming".
there is much more musical content in pre-composed music than these "fusion" concerts which merely sound good if you are on dope...nothing more. There is nothing to take out of this!
I would rather love to hear John play Rodrigo or Albeniz or Bach rather than ramble.
@nevertheless123 it is really funny how you are argueing against all kinds of improvised music without even realizing it. But improvisation can be written down on paper and composed music can be kept in mind without script by the composer or by someone with good ears. The level of "jamming" which these guys are using is much higher than the composed music of many others because of their intuition and interaction they are able to master. Improviso means unforseen, you prefer forseen music.
@emeraldomusik dude, I grew up improvising music for 15 years. I am not against it. All composing is improvising!
anyways my point is not that these guys are performing at a high level. But do you know about rythmic complexity in carnatic music or harmonic complexity in western music? Neither is present in this "jamming". just playing fast and adding some exotic ragaas doesnt mean much to me.
I guarantee you. This isnt serious music.
well, this is getting too complex for a youtube discussion.
@nevertheless123 i have studied indian music in its original language and i have played together with some musicians from india , with pandit giri raj (sitar) and with ravi tanna (tabla) who was a disciple of Pandit Samta Prasad also known as Gudai Maharaj who is considered to be one of the best tabla players of all times (check it out) and i doubt you are able to tell me something new about music.
@emeraldomusik another point is that each artist here is capable of far more. Zakir for example is an incredible rythmic genius. IT just doesnt show up here. L shankar too, quite an incredible violinist.
it is a musical revelation ! John is playing with time and rhythm as it would be an elastic band of rubber ( especially from 6:30 to 7:00 ) this has a serious cultural meaning because in the western part of europe rhythm and drums were always considered as "satanic" and "bad for prayer" (cited from Sebastian Virdung 1511) India always had the best mathematic experts (and software !)
My first concert ever was Shakti. Totally amazing!! Odd show overall. Shakti opened and blew us all away , followed by Weather Report (with Jaco), and finally Santana. Sort of a reverse
lineup as far as talent and intensity. Still an amazing show!
I loved Natural Elements. I never considered any Shakti album commercial, Al. Of course, Shakti with John McLaughlin was exceptional also. Classifying any McLaughlin project in the category of "Commercial", is a little over the top, unless you look at some of his less memorable projects in the 90's. Since i first heard him with Miles, i have been an avid McLaughlin fan. His furthering of World music is intrical in it's evolution. Thats just my opinion.
@rogerjazzfan "When I read the Bhagavad Gita and think about how God created this universe, everything else seems so superfluous!" - Albert Einstein
@rogerjazzfan Voltaire, lui-meme est mortjesuite: en avoit-il le moindre soupcon? _F.N. de Bonneville, Les Jesuites chasses de la Maconnerie et leur poignard brise par les Macons, Orient de Londres, 1788, 2, p. 74
¡Simplemente hermoso! en lo personal me agrada más "a handful of beauty", pero natural elements, en efecto, tiene una tremenda potencia catartica a la cual no es posible resistir.
This piece is titled "India" from Shakti's second album called "A Handful of Beauty." John once said in an interview that "Natural Elements" focused more on composition and "A Handful of Beauty" focused on soloing. He was probably speaking in a general sense, of course.
I'd argue Natural Elements is far and away the best Shakti record and the greatest McLaughlin of all time. For about a half-dozen years or more, McLaughlin was the best all-round guitarist in the world. How many musicians can say that on their instrument?
Sorry don't agree with you. Natural Elements for me was a little too commercial. In my opinion his best album was Shakti with John McLaughlin. It had everything, absolute melodic rawness of Joy and absolute melodic subtleness of Lotus Feet.
@gh103 I'm sure if McLaughlin did what I wanted him to do, I'd still find him to be greatest of all time. Its just that his tastes and sensibilities have changed from mine. I guess I shouldn't have phrased my comment to sound as though I'd felt his talent had waned. Its more like, he and I have gone in somewhat different musical/aesthetic directions.
yes, that's it. "open". I think that is an element which truly draws people to this kind of jughalbandi - the open feel, as well as the interplay. Much of it reminds people of jazz, without the overwhelming complexity. Indian classical music, on which this is based, may have odd meters; but it doesn't try to BE something, just reach out to draw you in. Do you get what I mean? I have a bunch of old Shakti on tape; I'm going to dig it out and digitize it soon. Dank voor het antwoord.
Fabulous, Maha-fan. Wow. That takes me back some ways. Saw them in NY at the Bottom Line and - yeah - they could blow the roof off. It is significant that people today still see the grandeur of the music and, more, understand the significance to the players themselves. Indian music is like an intense meditation; very spiritual and not at all about howmanynotesMcLaughlincanplay
Totally agree with your kind and true words. I am a tabla student, and I am going to hear Mc Laughlin in my own city of The Hague Holland in a few weeks! The "Natural Elements" album is a very special one for me. Although I have everything that this band has released. Just great, open music!
“When I hear new music coming into my head, its mission is integrated into its notes. It basically tells me how it wants to be.” – John McLaughlin. From Page 1 of the book “Follow Your Heart – John McLaughlin song by song.”
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nevertheless123 9 months ago
@nevertheless123 it is John himself explaining the role of spiritual music which fools like you will never be able to grasp. When he says "you" he doesn't mean the listener personally, because he is talking about the role every good musician has to play when he enters the stage. "Consciousness" is the connecting link between all people who participate, it is the screen where everything is connected to everything. Listen to my own music which i have written and played : emeraldo.de
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RootsinBrooklyn 5 months ago
nevertheless 123 ! now youtube is fed up to the back teeth with your stupid comments. you should go elsewhere or shut up.
emeraldomusik 10 months ago
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@emeraldomusik "nevertheless 123 ! now youtube is fed up to the back teeth with your stupid comments. you should go elsewhere or shut up."
why don't you do the same you stupid loser?
nevertheless123 9 months ago
Here is EVEREST of world, jazz, fusion, rock and live acoustick music
gusletarist 11 months ago
yeah really a great video and document of that era!
THIS IS MUSIC FROM HEAVENS!
keo774 1 year ago 4
thank you! :)
SuperJolly200 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
the crowd looks like a bunch of dopeheads!
and the music is a lot of pointless rambling.
nevertheless123 1 year ago
@nevertheless123 pointless? wow, keep smokin buddy
slipyourhips 1 year ago
@nevertheless123 And you are stupid.
encephalong 1 year ago
@nevertheless123 your comment says much more about you and nothing about the music.
emeraldomusik 10 months ago
@emeraldomusik trust me I think John Mclaughlin, L Shankar, and Zakir are great artists,
and I used to be a HUGE fan of Shakthi.
but I would rather prefer well thought out music rather than "jamming".
there is much more musical content in pre-composed music than these "fusion" concerts which merely sound good if you are on dope...nothing more. There is nothing to take out of this!
I would rather love to hear John play Rodrigo or Albeniz or Bach rather than ramble.
IMHO!
nevertheless123 10 months ago
@nevertheless123 it is really funny how you are argueing against all kinds of improvised music without even realizing it. But improvisation can be written down on paper and composed music can be kept in mind without script by the composer or by someone with good ears. The level of "jamming" which these guys are using is much higher than the composed music of many others because of their intuition and interaction they are able to master. Improviso means unforseen, you prefer forseen music.
emeraldomusik 10 months ago
@emeraldomusik dude, I grew up improvising music for 15 years. I am not against it. All composing is improvising!
anyways my point is not that these guys are performing at a high level. But do you know about rythmic complexity in carnatic music or harmonic complexity in western music? Neither is present in this "jamming". just playing fast and adding some exotic ragaas doesnt mean much to me.
I guarantee you. This isnt serious music.
well, this is getting too complex for a youtube discussion.
nevertheless123 10 months ago
@nevertheless123 i have studied indian music in its original language and i have played together with some musicians from india , with pandit giri raj (sitar) and with ravi tanna (tabla) who was a disciple of Pandit Samta Prasad also known as Gudai Maharaj who is considered to be one of the best tabla players of all times (check it out) and i doubt you are able to tell me something new about music.
emeraldomusik 10 months ago 2
@emeraldomusik As I said this is too much to discuss for a youtube channel. And what is the point?
I am happy for your musical training. Enjoy!
nevertheless123 10 months ago
@emeraldomusik "i doubt you are able to tell me something new about music."
Anyone who says this really doesnt know any music.!!! LOL
You are so full of it.
nevertheless123 9 months ago
@emeraldomusik "i doubt you are able to tell me something new about music."
Do you know what counterpoint is? do you know what harmony is? I doubt it. There is something I can tell you new about music.
Music is an endless ocean, and any one who says what you said is obviously an ignorant, self aggrandizing fool.
nevertheless123 9 months ago
@nevertheless123 no. youre wrong
keo774 9 months ago
@emeraldomusik nevertheless, I will agree that Shakthi was a very interesting experiment.
They did contribute something interesting....kept me excited when I was a kid !
nevertheless123 10 months ago
@emeraldomusik another point is that each artist here is capable of far more. Zakir for example is an incredible rythmic genius. IT just doesnt show up here. L shankar too, quite an incredible violinist.
nevertheless123 10 months ago
Very cool, great upload!
truthslap 1 year ago
What true masters. This Music is as timeless as the day it was recorded!
Ommm
brwnhornet59 1 year ago
it is a musical revelation ! John is playing with time and rhythm as it would be an elastic band of rubber ( especially from 6:30 to 7:00 ) this has a serious cultural meaning because in the western part of europe rhythm and drums were always considered as "satanic" and "bad for prayer" (cited from Sebastian Virdung 1511) India always had the best mathematic experts (and software !)
florafox 1 year ago
Wonderful !!!
Maureclaire 1 year ago
My first concert ever was Shakti. Totally amazing!! Odd show overall. Shakti opened and blew us all away , followed by Weather Report (with Jaco), and finally Santana. Sort of a reverse
lineup as far as talent and intensity. Still an amazing show!
pooginmouse 1 year ago
I loved Natural Elements. I never considered any Shakti album commercial, Al. Of course, Shakti with John McLaughlin was exceptional also. Classifying any McLaughlin project in the category of "Commercial", is a little over the top, unless you look at some of his less memorable projects in the 90's. Since i first heard him with Miles, i have been an avid McLaughlin fan. His furthering of World music is intrical in it's evolution. Thats just my opinion.
OM
brwnhornet59 1 year ago
this is music playing john like he said :)
vakibs2 1 year ago
excellent adaptability of guitar with a raaga
AbhiMrgm 2 years ago 10
@bhiMrgm AGreat holistic bands are---Melting Euphoria, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, Mother Gong, Acid Mother's Gong, Magma, Aphrodities Child, Jade Warrior, Steve Tibbetts, Patrick Bernard, Lost at Last, Larry Coryell, Shakti, Oregon, Kazumi Watanabe, Toninho Horta, Egberto Gismonti, Eat Static, System 7, Lisa Gerrard, Dead Can Dance, Magma, Sphongle, Bill Laswell, Stomu Yamashta, Here and Now band, Steve Hillage.
countdumas 1 year ago
Awesome! This is the greatest Shakti video. The greatest Shakti document. Thanks to post this.
rogerjazzfan 2 years ago 18
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@rogerjazzfan Great holistic bands are---Melting Euphoria, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, Mother Gong, Acid Mother's Gong, Magma, Aphrodities Child, Jade Warrior, Steve Tibbetts, Patrick Bernard, Lost at Last, Larry Coryell, Shakti, Oregon, Kazumi Watanabe, Toninho Horta, Egberto Gismonti, Eat Static, System 7, Lisa Gerrard, Dead Can Dance, Magma, Sphongle, Bill Laswell, Stomu Yamashta, Here and Now band, Steve Hillage.
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@rogerjazzfan "When I read the Bhagavad Gita and think about how God created this universe, everything else seems so superfluous!" - Albert Einstein
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@rogerjazzfan Voltaire, lui-meme est mortjesuite: en avoit-il le moindre soupcon? _F.N. de Bonneville, Les Jesuites chasses de la Maconnerie et leur poignard brise par les Macons, Orient de Londres, 1788, 2, p. 74
This quote is from page 486 of Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum
uriahheep108 1 month ago
This group was like 25 years ahead of its time. Sheer energy sheer Shakti
maxgraff 2 years ago 4
Remember Shakti
Circuit7Active 2 years ago 3
Excellent jam...!!
I saw Shakti in NYC at the Palladium in the 70's... Awesome shows..!!
John always SMOKES @<@
mrprogjazzgto 2 years ago
great !
sourabhnayan 2 years ago
Amazing....
saw them in Calcutta, out of all places with 40.000 others! A memory to cherish...the pioneers of worldmusic.
asiantraveller 2 years ago
I cant believe john's playing..I forgot how great he is!
opticalvibes 2 years ago 4
¡Simplemente hermoso! en lo personal me agrada más "a handful of beauty", pero natural elements, en efecto, tiene una tremenda potencia catartica a la cual no es posible resistir.
I'm a maha-fan too.
wasuranum 2 years ago
Superb. Kia Baat!!
mehfil3 3 years ago
This piece is titled "India" from Shakti's second album called "A Handful of Beauty." John once said in an interview that "Natural Elements" focused more on composition and "A Handful of Beauty" focused on soloing. He was probably speaking in a general sense, of course.
lfitomshi 3 years ago 2
I'd argue Natural Elements is far and away the best Shakti record and the greatest McLaughlin of all time. For about a half-dozen years or more, McLaughlin was the best all-round guitarist in the world. How many musicians can say that on their instrument?
LodoGrdzak 3 years ago 2
I agree. Although I personally don't prefer the last couple of CD's by John, I think he's still one of the top guitarists of the greatest list.
lfitomshi 3 years ago 2
I think he is the best guitarist that ever was.Consedering everything.And his picking technic is still the best there is
StrangeShadesOfBlack 2 years ago
Sorry don't agree with you. Natural Elements for me was a little too commercial. In my opinion his best album was Shakti with John McLaughlin. It had everything, absolute melodic rawness of Joy and absolute melodic subtleness of Lotus Feet.
al19766 2 years ago
@LodoGrdzak He still is. There's nobody to touch him. Simple.
gh103 1 year ago
@gh103 I'm sure if McLaughlin did what I wanted him to do, I'd still find him to be greatest of all time. Its just that his tastes and sensibilities have changed from mine. I guess I shouldn't have phrased my comment to sound as though I'd felt his talent had waned. Its more like, he and I have gone in somewhat different musical/aesthetic directions.
LodoGrdzak 1 year ago
yes, that's it. "open". I think that is an element which truly draws people to this kind of jughalbandi - the open feel, as well as the interplay. Much of it reminds people of jazz, without the overwhelming complexity. Indian classical music, on which this is based, may have odd meters; but it doesn't try to BE something, just reach out to draw you in. Do you get what I mean? I have a bunch of old Shakti on tape; I'm going to dig it out and digitize it soon. Dank voor het antwoord.
timminananda 3 years ago
nice Lady in 4:08 !
florafox 3 years ago
Fabulous, Maha-fan. Wow. That takes me back some ways. Saw them in NY at the Bottom Line and - yeah - they could blow the roof off. It is significant that people today still see the grandeur of the music and, more, understand the significance to the players themselves. Indian music is like an intense meditation; very spiritual and not at all about howmanynotesMcLaughlincanplay
8 > D
timminananda 3 years ago 2
Totally agree with your kind and true words. I am a tabla student, and I am going to hear Mc Laughlin in my own city of The Hague Holland in a few weeks! The "Natural Elements" album is a very special one for me. Although I have everything that this band has released. Just great, open music!
teemingup 3 years ago
it is "India" from "a handful of beauty"
fantastic version, thanx Mahavishnu018 !
florafox 3 years ago
great and rare
pietroanania 3 years ago 5
This is from the 2nd album (forget its name)--not Natural Elements. Thanks for post--love it Mahavishnu!
LodoGrdzak 3 years ago
masterpiece
pranavaswaroop 3 years ago 4