Your videos are very informative. It's great to hear information about this stuff from someone who actually has personal experience, rather than someone who once read a brochure from some social centre.
I think I wanna try DMT next... cause my understanding is that it doesn't last too long, which I imagine would makes it easier to control dosage.
you are one hot guy! i would very much enjoy chaining you to the radiator in my basement. i would only feed you once a week, and would have to beat you with a car antenna every night. i would however feed you hit after hit of acid and give you a power drill to keep you company. nice shirt by the way its good to see young boys inspiring to join the illuminati. maybe i will take you into my fold and we can visit the bohemian grove together. TTFN!
So you recommend taking LSD,DMT,etc.. but this sites disclaimer says it doesn't promote drug usage ? I wonder what the word promote means? I guess i've been wrong in my knowledge.
Yeah, you are wrong. She is saying IF you are going to do them, she recommends LSD and DMT. She didn't say "HEY EVERYONE I RECOMMEND YOU SMOKE DMT", she said if you are going to use a hallucinogen she recommends or she favors LSD and DMT.
I have to touch upon the point bamboo made in regards to his claim that tryptamines have some "innate essence" that creates anxiety in the individual. There is no empirical evidence to prove that claim. I have asked him to provide evidence, and all he gave me was his own anecdotal evidence, which doesn't pass modern scientific scrutiny. There is however, a lot empirical evidence which clearly indicates that the anxiety experienced by the tripper comes from the individual, (Cont.)...
...(Cont.) and not the substances. This is the main reason why Tim Leary was such a big proponent of one-pointed meditation, as it releases anxiety in the sober state of consciousness. Once there is no anxiety present in the individual, the trip will stay anxiety free. In the Tibetan Book of the Dead it is referred to as "non-game ecstatic bliss." I have been practicing one-pointed meditation daily for 6 years now, and I don't have any anxiety on my LSD trips.(Cont.)...
...(Cont.) Furthermore, I'd be very weary of believing anything bamboo says, as he passes off his pet beliefs as fact. I even came up with an experiment that could answer this question, but he refused to listen, which indicates a lack of understanding with the scientific method. This refusal to listen and follow the scientific method also demonstrates a rigid, religious type of faith he has in his own ideas. Don't be fooled by his use of scientific jargon. He is a religious zealot.
"I even came up with an experiment that could answer this question, but he refused to listen, which indicates a lack of understanding with the scientific method."
I did write it out for you, but I"ll do it again with some modifications to the previous set up.
First you'll need to find long term meditators, with at least 10yrs experience in daily one pointed meditation. Then it must be verified that they are telling the truth, so they have to display that they can initiate a para-sympathetic response on command. If the resources are available, a blood sample should be taken, to check the ratio of cuddle hormones(oxytocin, arginine vasopressin(cont.)
(cont.)... dhea-s, etc.) to stress hormones (norepinephrine, GH, cortisol, etc.) The meditators will have a larger quantity of cuddle hormones. Then find average people that don't do anything to initiate either the sympathetic, or para-sympathetic nervous systems. Then, find people who have highly active sympathetic nervous systems. Athletes, weightlifters, etc., will fit into this category. These people will have a higher ratio of stress hormones to cuddle hormones.(cont.)...
...(cont.) Again, if the resources are available, check the t-cell count for each person to determine the ratio of helper t-cells(CD4), to killer t-cells(CD8). The meditators will have a higher ratio of helper t-cells to killer t-cells, and the athletes will have the opposite. Once these 3 groups are finalized(15-20 people per group), around 3 or 4 should be selected from each group to be given saltwater instead of the tryptamine. Injections of vitaminb3 should be on hand if anyone freaks.
I'm with you so far on post #1. Are you willing to subject yourself to the experiment if I am too? Seriously, if you ever proposed this experiment to me, I never saw the proposal. With that said, I will write those letters (and it could take 10 or more years to get approval, however unlikely).
At the moment I don't fit the criteria, because I've only been practicing one pointed meditation for 6 years, but I definitely will subject myself to the experiment after 4 years. You mentioned before that you practiced martial arts, so that would put you in the group that has a highly active sympathetic nervous system, but that's dependent on your blood work. You might be in the 2nd group.
It'll probably be easier to conduct this experiment in Canada... I think.
I wouldn't fit said criteria either because I'm not drug naive and yes I have an exceptionally hyperactive SNS. We need not be so exclusive! I devise a simple test that only requires a dozen participants and a dozen different tryptamines with different before and after psych reports. Granted, neither test would be flawless, but we can cut out all the BS real quick....
Um, what you propose would provide very little data. Furthermore, it's unheard of to not take a baseline reading of the subjects. I guarantee you that no one will take that study seriously, and we will be laughed at. When I said 15-20 people per group, I was being conservative. A real study would have at least 50 people per group. What you propose isn't very scientific. I would never be apart of that.
I would take the word of a dozen people participating in a dozen different personal experiences over 10,000 pages of over-analyzed nomenclature and snooze material. Ever try sifting though a thousand or so pages of that stuff just so you can find the 3-5 pages that are actually important?
With only a dozen people, everyone will just write off the conclusions as anamolies, which doesn't prove anything. The whole thing becomes pointless. Also, just because you might have a hard time understanding something, doesn't mean it has no value.
"I don't have any anxiety on my LSD trips.(Cont.)..."
Good for you; I have absolutely minimal onset anxiety with real LSD and only slightly more with the haloed amphetamines. I am talking about long complicated tryptamines like the acetoxys and methoxys. Just remember LSD has a tryptamine skeleton, doesn't it? I could be wrong, but I thought that LSD -itself- was technically a distant cousin of the tryptamines.
Read every single one of Sasha's reports, as a favor to yourself. I have electronic copies of his notebooks scanned in photo format. I made the statement about tryptamines, not JUST because of my experiences. I say that from the dozens of others I've seen take research chems and hundreds I've seen take MDMA, LSD, Mescaline, and Shrooms. There is a major pattern there. I guarantee it. If it was possible to get a DEA license to further explore this, PEER REVIEWED, then I most certainly would.
Just because you've found information that corroborates your theory, doesn't make it true. All you're doing is selecting the information that fits your theory, and disregarding information that disproves it. THAT'S NOT SCIENCE. Scientists perform EXPERIMENTS in order to EMPIRICALLY VERIFY their theories. You're a TELEMARKETER, not a SCIENTIST. And once again, I'm blocking you.
In fact, I will go even further: "Re"propose said experiment, that I never have heard you mention. Should it require DEA schedule 1 licensing, I will hand write 4 copies of a letter, the following day you respond to this, and mail them to MAPS headquarters, Sasha's home address (it wouldn't be our first contact), SSDP and MPP headquarters proposing we put the gears in motion. I will volunteer myself to the experiment, under contract- full disclosure and consent, if you will do the same.
I would rather have an Interpersonal Psychiatrist conduct the experiment over a chemist(no offense to Sasha :), or an MD with extensive knowledge neuroendocrinology, immunology, physics, philosophy, social psychology, game theory, semiotics, and cultural anthropology.
No offense taken, but I would trust Ann and Sasha over pretty much anyone on earth to run that experiment. And I don't see how this is truly relevant to our disagreement about the nature of the more complex tryptamines. For your test to have any true scientific validity, the "tryptamines" mentioned would have to be administered to drug naive groups that are willing and several graduated degrees on complexity in the molecules would have to be administered to the several different groups.
I wouldn't want Ann or Sasha to conduct the experiment. They should definitely be there, but they shouldn't conduct it. That's like asking a person that makes paint to paint a picture for you. Or, a carpenter asked to do interior design. I would only do it with an Interpersonal Psychiatrist, or an MD with knowledge from the various fields I mentioned earlier. Furthermore, it's better to choose one very complex tryptamine, to administer to the 3 groups, than several different ones.
"Furthermore, it's better to choose one very complex tryptamine, to administer to the 3 groups, than several different ones."
That would negate the argument we had completely. My point is that tryptamines, somewhat inherently, possess an onset reaction much different to the 'ethylamines or the haloed 'isopropylamines.
Further, that increasing complexity of the tryptamine molecule has more of the onset anxiety AND physical side effects- with somewhat an exclusion on the 4 position over the 5 position on the ring.
That doesn't completely negate the argument. If you're right, than all 3 groups will display the same amount of anxiety, which will prove w/out a doubt that there is something inherent in very complex tryptamines, that induce anxiety. But I do see your point. I propose another modification. Choose 5 tryptamines, with ascending complexity to the molecule. Administer to all the 3 groups, starting with the least complex. The next week, administer the next complex, and so on.
"Administer to all the 3 groups, starting with the least complex. The next week, administer the next complex, and so on."
That's pretty much exactly what I was suggesting. Strange thing, though, we'd have to leave this country to do it legally and I've seen dozens of people roughly perform that experiment already- with the exception of the scoring/rating profile- all past the statute of limitations, of course.
I do think it's smart to try a small dose first though, especially if you've never tripped before...you can still gain insights and get a feel for whatever you're taking. Then, next time you take the substance, maybe double the dosage.
I've had some great personal insights from even threshold doses of psilocybin.
Like Mckenna suggests large doses infrequently are the way to go. Ritual shamanic use never involves small doses. Just make sure you are in a safe comfortable place and have thoroughly prepared.
I understand that. However, I, nor most people, have access to use entheogens in a traditional, ritualistic context. Also, I was mainly talking about people who have never tripped before. I think it's often wise to gauge your reaction before going all out. I've taken miniscule, small, medium and large amounts of psychedelics and I agree that nothing compares to the power and insight of a large dose, but the way I see it, not much harm can come from taking a small, rather than a large dose.
OMG- I got some chocolate covered cashews today. They blew my mind. Very very fattening, but with the dark chocolate, the healthy fats and antioxidants it kinda makes up for the gluttony.
repost: Tryptamines (LSD too), by their very nature, tend to have onset anxiety. Phenethylamines (mescaline etc) and certain phenylisopropylamines (MDMA etc) range from more gentile all the way to completely forgiving. From my personal experience, the more long and complicated the tryptamine molecule, the more onset anxiety there is- BUT it always goes away within an hour. My reaction to the haloed phenylisopropylamines closely resemble LSD, but with the added energy and need to be occupied.
.... i don't see many carrots with a personality and moving about showing noticeable life.(however not disregarding that they do live) ... ummm..... people have to eat something - and a humble vegetable seems more viable than an egg / chicken to the likes of gorgeous Mizz Cole. I thought i heard her mention tofu once ... oh no thats life too isn't it bean curd......
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ah ! she photosynthesizes ! sun child whoopy doo !
she's almost certainly a bran and tasty wholemeal bread kinda girl
You should also mention that DMT is continously created during metabolism, but also continously destroyed (essentially as fast as it is created) by an enzyme - which is also why you can't take DMT alone orally.
Ayahuasca contains DMT, but it also contains beta-carbolines (harmine and harmaline) which make your trip last longer, and obviously, with different effects.
its important to note what harmine and harmaline are, namely MAOIs
I mention it only cuz if you take ANY drug which requires monoamine oxidase metabolism (this includes advil, tylenol, several foods), you can DIE pretty easily by taking ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca is essentially an oral route of DMT, DMT can be taken orally in this manner because the MAOIs signifigantly inhibit its metabolism.
MAOIs can seriously fuck you up though so be careful and know what your doing before you do it !!!
It can happen, but the same warning comes with nearly every Rx drug you can get. I'd remove the "pretty easily" part. I have personally experimented with the betacarbolines and things like an every day diet, alcohol, cannabis, and several opiates and opioids. It's very relative and, like Sasha, I worked with them incrementally and have found that many of the fears are unwarranted. The danger is there, ESPECIALLY with SOME people with genetic predispositions. But...
I was talking about prescription medicines and others which readily cross the BBB and interact directly with neurotransmitter biochemistry.
Of all the drug contraindications there are, MAOIs are the absolute most dangerous of ANY drug contraindication, and I stand by my statement that mixing MAOIs with ANY drug in which MAO metabolism is part (this include all major pathway P-450 metabolized drugs, aka most prescriptions) is EXTREMELY dangerous.
I said CONTRAINDICATION, aka an adverse reaction between TWO drugs.
I am not talking about the individual adverse reaction of any given pharmaceutical.
We got people on here asking where to buy entheogens (I guess they dont understand the concept of reading the videos description), and yet you've chosen to try and argue with me for trying to provide some sound and safe advice? Fuck off already and go argue with one of them
I'm not saying not to try ayahuasca, i'm saying to be very aware of what your taking before you do.
There are FAR too many idiots reading these posts and taking them at face value. As much as I hate people who don't research something before putting themselves at risk, I also don't wish to see anybody die because of it.
"There are FAR too many idiots reading these posts and taking them at face value."
I agree. Stupid little children are not research scientists. That is why I fully believe in the ritual "passing of the torch" type ceremonies done by many cultures. Introduction to responsible use almost never leads to abuse.
There is no 'ritual' on the INTERNET, these kids read this stuff and just assume they are all of a sudden experts on the topic. No, I do not believe it is responsible to 'pass the torch' to someone over the internet.
Again, why the fuck are you trying to argue with me, i'm trying to provide succinct, solid information, there are ppl in this thread asking where to buy entheogens, go bother them, seriously pissing me off
"Again, why the fuck are you trying to argue with me, i'm trying to provide succinct, solid information,"
NO, you are being a fear monger and repeating the worst case scenario (1 in several thousand), just like a broken record DEA moron/agent who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, but knows how to play parrot. There is NO NEED for fear mongering and half truths.
"seriously pissing me off"
Good! I really dislike fear mongers and, frankly, don't care if I piss one off.
That shirt is awesome ;]
Jrockk55 2 years ago 63
this chic use to hang out with murders and DEA
FriendTron450 2 years ago
I love that Grateful Dead tapestry!
tyedyedino 2 years ago 14
A trip is whatever you make it. Just drop some LSD in a place you feel safe, no need to complicate things.
oregonskateok 2 years ago 8
Your videos are very informative. It's great to hear information about this stuff from someone who actually has personal experience, rather than someone who once read a brochure from some social centre.
I think I wanna try DMT next... cause my understanding is that it doesn't last too long, which I imagine would makes it easier to control dosage.
zemonsta 2 years ago 31
can someone advise me perhaps ... with the dangers of the AOMI's .. or whatever with the ayuhuasca ... what is the best stuff to buy to smoke dmt??
Thanks!
BRUCELEEonLSD 2 years ago
What are the odds of going insane after taking LSd?
sjwletssee 2 years ago
the same odds as going insane drinking fanta summer fruits... ask yourself what is sane and what is insane...
budzaholic 2 years ago
1 in tens of thousands and it takes a genetic predisposition and a really bad setting- like a first time at a rock concert.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
Fuck it, do like i did.
take that acid strait up and trip your ass off :)
if you end up jumping off anywhere or hurting anyone...fuck it, you deserve to be locked up or dead.
at least thats one less idiot running around on the street, giving people like me a bad name cuz they dont know their limits
yosefalemi 3 years ago
You stupid drugged up bitch.
MilenkoSeed 3 years ago
oh no... she's a mystical goddess ! LOLLLLLLLL... ( psssst.. who's loved because she's wanted sexually) dont' tell anyone !!
plutoplatters 2 years ago
magic mushrooms, allmost alllways give a mystical expirence, one with the universe
SilentBud420 3 years ago
almost...always...experience
plutoplatters 2 years ago
whos hallucionationg lol?
The305David 3 years ago
you are one hot guy! i would very much enjoy chaining you to the radiator in my basement. i would only feed you once a week, and would have to beat you with a car antenna every night. i would however feed you hit after hit of acid and give you a power drill to keep you company. nice shirt by the way its good to see young boys inspiring to join the illuminati. maybe i will take you into my fold and we can visit the bohemian grove together. TTFN!
hordesoftheundead 3 years ago
So you recommend taking LSD,DMT,etc.. but this sites disclaimer says it doesn't promote drug usage ? I wonder what the word promote means? I guess i've been wrong in my knowledge.
plutoplatters 3 years ago
Yeah, you are wrong. She is saying IF you are going to do them, she recommends LSD and DMT. She didn't say "HEY EVERYONE I RECOMMEND YOU SMOKE DMT", she said if you are going to use a hallucinogen she recommends or she favors LSD and DMT.
Master0fLolz 3 years ago
of course i'm wrong.i'm not a druggie.
plutoplatters 3 years ago
Well, you don't need to be a "druggie" to have common sense and knowledge.
Master0fLolz 3 years ago 2
but youre a moron...
Tortalone 2 years ago
i know you are but what am i ?
plutoplatters 2 years ago
oh hell no... she's saying get a hobby..take pictures.. go kayaking...hiking... build something...
plutoplatters 2 years ago
its obvious that they do that to stop people like you from bitching
yosefalemi 3 years ago
I have to touch upon the point bamboo made in regards to his claim that tryptamines have some "innate essence" that creates anxiety in the individual. There is no empirical evidence to prove that claim. I have asked him to provide evidence, and all he gave me was his own anecdotal evidence, which doesn't pass modern scientific scrutiny. There is however, a lot empirical evidence which clearly indicates that the anxiety experienced by the tripper comes from the individual, (Cont.)...
kleinbottle 3 years ago
...(Cont.) and not the substances. This is the main reason why Tim Leary was such a big proponent of one-pointed meditation, as it releases anxiety in the sober state of consciousness. Once there is no anxiety present in the individual, the trip will stay anxiety free. In the Tibetan Book of the Dead it is referred to as "non-game ecstatic bliss." I have been practicing one-pointed meditation daily for 6 years now, and I don't have any anxiety on my LSD trips.(Cont.)...
kleinbottle 3 years ago
...(Cont.) Furthermore, I'd be very weary of believing anything bamboo says, as he passes off his pet beliefs as fact. I even came up with an experiment that could answer this question, but he refused to listen, which indicates a lack of understanding with the scientific method. This refusal to listen and follow the scientific method also demonstrates a rigid, religious type of faith he has in his own ideas. Don't be fooled by his use of scientific jargon. He is a religious zealot.
kleinbottle 3 years ago
"I even came up with an experiment that could answer this question, but he refused to listen, which indicates a lack of understanding with the scientific method."
Bullshit. B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. Bullshit.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
I did write it out for you, but I"ll do it again with some modifications to the previous set up.
First you'll need to find long term meditators, with at least 10yrs experience in daily one pointed meditation. Then it must be verified that they are telling the truth, so they have to display that they can initiate a para-sympathetic response on command. If the resources are available, a blood sample should be taken, to check the ratio of cuddle hormones(oxytocin, arginine vasopressin(cont.)
kleinbottle 2 years ago
(cont.)... dhea-s, etc.) to stress hormones (norepinephrine, GH, cortisol, etc.) The meditators will have a larger quantity of cuddle hormones. Then find average people that don't do anything to initiate either the sympathetic, or para-sympathetic nervous systems. Then, find people who have highly active sympathetic nervous systems. Athletes, weightlifters, etc., will fit into this category. These people will have a higher ratio of stress hormones to cuddle hormones.(cont.)...
kleinbottle 2 years ago
...(cont.) Again, if the resources are available, check the t-cell count for each person to determine the ratio of helper t-cells(CD4), to killer t-cells(CD8). The meditators will have a higher ratio of helper t-cells to killer t-cells, and the athletes will have the opposite. Once these 3 groups are finalized(15-20 people per group), around 3 or 4 should be selected from each group to be given saltwater instead of the tryptamine. Injections of vitaminb3 should be on hand if anyone freaks.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
I'm with you so far on post #1. Are you willing to subject yourself to the experiment if I am too? Seriously, if you ever proposed this experiment to me, I never saw the proposal. With that said, I will write those letters (and it could take 10 or more years to get approval, however unlikely).
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
At the moment I don't fit the criteria, because I've only been practicing one pointed meditation for 6 years, but I definitely will subject myself to the experiment after 4 years. You mentioned before that you practiced martial arts, so that would put you in the group that has a highly active sympathetic nervous system, but that's dependent on your blood work. You might be in the 2nd group.
It'll probably be easier to conduct this experiment in Canada... I think.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
I wouldn't fit said criteria either because I'm not drug naive and yes I have an exceptionally hyperactive SNS. We need not be so exclusive! I devise a simple test that only requires a dozen participants and a dozen different tryptamines with different before and after psych reports. Granted, neither test would be flawless, but we can cut out all the BS real quick....
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
Um, what you propose would provide very little data. Furthermore, it's unheard of to not take a baseline reading of the subjects. I guarantee you that no one will take that study seriously, and we will be laughed at. When I said 15-20 people per group, I was being conservative. A real study would have at least 50 people per group. What you propose isn't very scientific. I would never be apart of that.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
I would take the word of a dozen people participating in a dozen different personal experiences over 10,000 pages of over-analyzed nomenclature and snooze material. Ever try sifting though a thousand or so pages of that stuff just so you can find the 3-5 pages that are actually important?
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
With only a dozen people, everyone will just write off the conclusions as anamolies, which doesn't prove anything. The whole thing becomes pointless. Also, just because you might have a hard time understanding something, doesn't mean it has no value.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
"Also, just because you might have a hard time understanding something, doesn't mean it has no value."
And just because there's thousands of pages, doesn't make it any more valuable. FYI, I have zero trouble understanding boring crap.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
"I don't have any anxiety on my LSD trips.(Cont.)..."
Good for you; I have absolutely minimal onset anxiety with real LSD and only slightly more with the haloed amphetamines. I am talking about long complicated tryptamines like the acetoxys and methoxys. Just remember LSD has a tryptamine skeleton, doesn't it? I could be wrong, but I thought that LSD -itself- was technically a distant cousin of the tryptamines.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
Read every single one of Sasha's reports, as a favor to yourself. I have electronic copies of his notebooks scanned in photo format. I made the statement about tryptamines, not JUST because of my experiences. I say that from the dozens of others I've seen take research chems and hundreds I've seen take MDMA, LSD, Mescaline, and Shrooms. There is a major pattern there. I guarantee it. If it was possible to get a DEA license to further explore this, PEER REVIEWED, then I most certainly would.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
Just because you've found information that corroborates your theory, doesn't make it true. All you're doing is selecting the information that fits your theory, and disregarding information that disproves it. THAT'S NOT SCIENCE. Scientists perform EXPERIMENTS in order to EMPIRICALLY VERIFY their theories. You're a TELEMARKETER, not a SCIENTIST. And once again, I'm blocking you.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
Uhhuh, I thought that was over your head.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
In fact, I will go even further: "Re"propose said experiment, that I never have heard you mention. Should it require DEA schedule 1 licensing, I will hand write 4 copies of a letter, the following day you respond to this, and mail them to MAPS headquarters, Sasha's home address (it wouldn't be our first contact), SSDP and MPP headquarters proposing we put the gears in motion. I will volunteer myself to the experiment, under contract- full disclosure and consent, if you will do the same.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
I would rather have an Interpersonal Psychiatrist conduct the experiment over a chemist(no offense to Sasha :), or an MD with extensive knowledge neuroendocrinology, immunology, physics, philosophy, social psychology, game theory, semiotics, and cultural anthropology.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
No offense taken, but I would trust Ann and Sasha over pretty much anyone on earth to run that experiment. And I don't see how this is truly relevant to our disagreement about the nature of the more complex tryptamines. For your test to have any true scientific validity, the "tryptamines" mentioned would have to be administered to drug naive groups that are willing and several graduated degrees on complexity in the molecules would have to be administered to the several different groups.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
I wouldn't want Ann or Sasha to conduct the experiment. They should definitely be there, but they shouldn't conduct it. That's like asking a person that makes paint to paint a picture for you. Or, a carpenter asked to do interior design. I would only do it with an Interpersonal Psychiatrist, or an MD with knowledge from the various fields I mentioned earlier. Furthermore, it's better to choose one very complex tryptamine, to administer to the 3 groups, than several different ones.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
"Furthermore, it's better to choose one very complex tryptamine, to administer to the 3 groups, than several different ones."
That would negate the argument we had completely. My point is that tryptamines, somewhat inherently, possess an onset reaction much different to the 'ethylamines or the haloed 'isopropylamines.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
Further, that increasing complexity of the tryptamine molecule has more of the onset anxiety AND physical side effects- with somewhat an exclusion on the 4 position over the 5 position on the ring.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
That doesn't completely negate the argument. If you're right, than all 3 groups will display the same amount of anxiety, which will prove w/out a doubt that there is something inherent in very complex tryptamines, that induce anxiety. But I do see your point. I propose another modification. Choose 5 tryptamines, with ascending complexity to the molecule. Administer to all the 3 groups, starting with the least complex. The next week, administer the next complex, and so on.
kleinbottle 2 years ago
"Administer to all the 3 groups, starting with the least complex. The next week, administer the next complex, and so on."
That's pretty much exactly what I was suggesting. Strange thing, though, we'd have to leave this country to do it legally and I've seen dozens of people roughly perform that experiment already- with the exception of the scoring/rating profile- all past the statute of limitations, of course.
5ockpuppet5fromhe11 2 years ago
I'll tell you where to buy entheogens online.
Get a pad an pen, ok,Ready?
Go to google and type in your question..
(gasp) Oh my god we have unlocked some sort of portal to a world of instant knowlede.
c7v 3 years ago 2
Hahah, well said.
joshdesk 3 years ago
i am in mexico do you know where can i get dmt?
infrenis 3 years ago
Haha...nice shirt.
I do think it's smart to try a small dose first though, especially if you've never tripped before...you can still gain insights and get a feel for whatever you're taking. Then, next time you take the substance, maybe double the dosage.
I've had some great personal insights from even threshold doses of psilocybin.
joshdesk 3 years ago
Like Mckenna suggests large doses infrequently are the way to go. Ritual shamanic use never involves small doses. Just make sure you are in a safe comfortable place and have thoroughly prepared.
Qbaca 3 years ago 2
I understand that. However, I, nor most people, have access to use entheogens in a traditional, ritualistic context. Also, I was mainly talking about people who have never tripped before. I think it's often wise to gauge your reaction before going all out. I've taken miniscule, small, medium and large amounts of psychedelics and I agree that nothing compares to the power and insight of a large dose, but the way I see it, not much harm can come from taking a small, rather than a large dose.
joshdesk 3 years ago 2
I completly agree
purplehazygurl 3 years ago
id fuck her, but im not into hairy armpits
TheChangeling9 3 years ago
that is the greatest shirt i have ever seen! where can i get one?
sos246 3 years ago
I would like to see you talking about tryptamine hyperspace.
kawuabonga 3 years ago
To make that clear:
"haloed phenylisopropylamine" translates to (DOB, DOC, DOI) AKA halogenated: Bromo, Chloro, Iodo, etc.
BTW, I think I have a crush on you Ms Cole.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
ditto
sweetypie000 3 years ago 3
OMG- I got some chocolate covered cashews today. They blew my mind. Very very fattening, but with the dark chocolate, the healthy fats and antioxidants it kinda makes up for the gluttony.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
repost: Tryptamines (LSD too), by their very nature, tend to have onset anxiety. Phenethylamines (mescaline etc) and certain phenylisopropylamines (MDMA etc) range from more gentile all the way to completely forgiving. From my personal experience, the more long and complicated the tryptamine molecule, the more onset anxiety there is- BUT it always goes away within an hour. My reaction to the haloed phenylisopropylamines closely resemble LSD, but with the added energy and need to be occupied.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
am i the only one nuts about this babe?
sweetypie000 3 years ago 6
nope
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago 2
She's got a certain je ne sais quoi about her.
I'll bet her favorite snack is Egg Sandwich with Baby Carrots on the side.
Qbaca 3 years ago 2
mmmm, don't know...... an egg is a life (kinda).....
maybe a big salad including carrots....
i'd say she's into chocolate m&m's...... i dunno
sweetypie000 3 years ago 2
It's all life dude, be it one cell, animal, plant, fungus. Anyway we're sure she likes carrots and makes us nuts.
I'm curious what everyone else thinks she eats.
Qbaca 3 years ago 2
.... i don't see many carrots with a personality and moving about showing noticeable life.(however not disregarding that they do live) ... ummm..... people have to eat something - and a humble vegetable seems more viable than an egg / chicken to the likes of gorgeous Mizz Cole. I thought i heard her mention tofu once ... oh no thats life too isn't it bean curd......
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ah ! she photosynthesizes ! sun child whoopy doo !
she's almost certainly a bran and tasty wholemeal bread kinda girl
sweetypie000 3 years ago
"i'm curious what everyone else thinks she eats."
lol WTF?
We're just a regular internet stalker now aren't we?
mdma4life 3 years ago
;-)
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
where am at now , I cant get any of what you just mention ??? what to do
falzaabi 3 years ago
suffer like the rest of us who can't get it unfortunately :(
sweetypie000 3 years ago
Ayahuasca has the same trip as DMT?
NewRisingSong 3 years ago
depends, ayahuasca is dmt basicly
anom4lie 3 years ago
have u ever try ayhuasca? or dmt??
NewRisingSong 3 years ago
no. its not the same trip, but the active stuff in ayahuasca is dmt and stuff that makes dmt "work" oraly
anom4lie 3 years ago
excuse my questions...
but if the active stuff in ayahusca is dmt why the trip is not the same as dmt?
have u ever tried ayhuasca or dmt
NewRisingSong 3 years ago
ayahusca contains nn,DMT and an MAOI (and sometimes other active psychedelic ingrediants.)
its different because ayahusca is taken orally where as pure DMT is generally smoked so ayahusca would be much longer lasting ut not as intense.
if u want to find out more id suggest looking up EROWID . ORG
wigmiester 3 years ago
wigmiester@ thank you for the info.. a friend told me that is hard to prepare ayahusca.. is this true?
NewRisingSong 3 years ago
Your quite right :)
You should also mention that DMT is continously created during metabolism, but also continously destroyed (essentially as fast as it is created) by an enzyme - which is also why you can't take DMT alone orally.
threadweaver69 3 years ago
Ayahuasca contains DMT, but it also contains beta-carbolines (harmine and harmaline) which make your trip last longer, and obviously, with different effects.
kawuabonga 3 years ago
its important to note what harmine and harmaline are, namely MAOIs
I mention it only cuz if you take ANY drug which requires monoamine oxidase metabolism (this includes advil, tylenol, several foods), you can DIE pretty easily by taking ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca is essentially an oral route of DMT, DMT can be taken orally in this manner because the MAOIs signifigantly inhibit its metabolism.
MAOIs can seriously fuck you up though so be careful and know what your doing before you do it !!!
mdma4life 3 years ago
"you can DIE pretty easily"
It can happen, but the same warning comes with nearly every Rx drug you can get. I'd remove the "pretty easily" part. I have personally experimented with the betacarbolines and things like an every day diet, alcohol, cannabis, and several opiates and opioids. It's very relative and, like Sasha, I worked with them incrementally and have found that many of the fears are unwarranted. The danger is there, ESPECIALLY with SOME people with genetic predispositions. But...
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
I was talking about prescription medicines and others which readily cross the BBB and interact directly with neurotransmitter biochemistry.
Of all the drug contraindications there are, MAOIs are the absolute most dangerous of ANY drug contraindication, and I stand by my statement that mixing MAOIs with ANY drug in which MAO metabolism is part (this include all major pathway P-450 metabolized drugs, aka most prescriptions) is EXTREMELY dangerous.
mdma4life 3 years ago
"MAOIs are the absolute most dangerous of ANY drug contraindication"
Some atypical antipsychotics are several times more deadly and as many or more times as neurotoxic.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
I said CONTRAINDICATION, aka an adverse reaction between TWO drugs.
I am not talking about the individual adverse reaction of any given pharmaceutical.
We got people on here asking where to buy entheogens (I guess they dont understand the concept of reading the videos description), and yet you've chosen to try and argue with me for trying to provide some sound and safe advice? Fuck off already and go argue with one of them
mdma4life 3 years ago
I'm not saying not to try ayahuasca, i'm saying to be very aware of what your taking before you do.
There are FAR too many idiots reading these posts and taking them at face value. As much as I hate people who don't research something before putting themselves at risk, I also don't wish to see anybody die because of it.
mdma4life 3 years ago
"There are FAR too many idiots reading these posts and taking them at face value."
I agree. Stupid little children are not research scientists. That is why I fully believe in the ritual "passing of the torch" type ceremonies done by many cultures. Introduction to responsible use almost never leads to abuse.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
There is no 'ritual' on the INTERNET, these kids read this stuff and just assume they are all of a sudden experts on the topic. No, I do not believe it is responsible to 'pass the torch' to someone over the internet.
Again, why the fuck are you trying to argue with me, i'm trying to provide succinct, solid information, there are ppl in this thread asking where to buy entheogens, go bother them, seriously pissing me off
mdma4life 3 years ago
"Again, why the fuck are you trying to argue with me, i'm trying to provide succinct, solid information,"
NO, you are being a fear monger and repeating the worst case scenario (1 in several thousand), just like a broken record DEA moron/agent who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, but knows how to play parrot. There is NO NEED for fear mongering and half truths.
"seriously pissing me off"
Good! I really dislike fear mongers and, frankly, don't care if I piss one off.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 years ago
I actually kind of agree with you.
joshdesk 3 years ago