Rediscovering God in America

[l337pwnage]

David Barton, laaaawwwlll.

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[jfsfrnd]

1 - Autobiography - by Thomas Jefferson

The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure. . .''

[jfsfrnd]

2 - ''from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.''

[TheSwordThain]

"[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

-Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed into law by President John Adams, founding father and former Church deacon.

[Durandal1492]

@TheSwordThain : Thousands of american citizens (seamen), cargo and ships were at that time in Muslim barbaresque captivity. The only way to rapatriate these seamen to their families was to win the confidence of the Muslim barbaresque powers, and the only way to do this was to convince those Muslims that America was different from European nations. The Christian Founding Fathers understood the context, meaning, and the strategic, diplomatic and expedient nature of this negotiation.

[TouchOfGreatness]

Green Dragon" about the environmental threat to Christianity. Barton says, "Environmental science simply does not have a good track record, not at all. Their false assertions are based more on their own morbid fears, not on any good science." Now that he has distorted history, he is off to clear up the error of climate scientists.

[S201676]

So in 1797 when the Treaty of Tripoli with the Muslim nations of Northern Africa that says "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" was signed by President Adams after having passed unanimously and without debate by the Senate - that meant that the government of the US was based on Christianity?

Or maybe just because some founding fathers were believers does not have anything to say about what the basis of their ideal gov't was.

[Godisyoursolution]

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[Godisyoursolution]

Do NOT associate with those given to CHANGE!! Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. Do NOT be afraid of sudden terror, Nor of trouble from the wicked when it comes, For the Lord will be your confidence, And will keep your foot from being caught - Proverbs

FEAR NOT, PRAY FOR YOUR ENEMY - Jesus

[TouchOfGreatness]

Barton says here that 29 signers of the declaration had "seminary or bible" degrees. Barton has been telling this lie for decades. A "seminary" degree in the 1700s was "free" with a college degree. Only one signer had a religious degree. Barton knows his audiences are too ignorant to call him on this, so he keeps telling the lie year after year. Totally shameful and undermines Christians reputation for truth.

[TouchOfGreatness]

I am surprised good Christians do not throw this guy under the bus. The propganda in his videos is so obvious - patriotic music flowing, flag waving, founders scrolling - until his critics appear. Then the omnious drums, dark screen, and the apocalypse. All decorating fear and distortion.

[rollingthunder1982]

It's amazing how bonkers the truth drives the left. And that is because if we retain our Christian values, the left's agenda is dead-on-arrival, because a moral people will NEVER accept liberal crap.

[tpique1]

Truth is the basis for rational thinking. We live in a generation that has jettisoned truth (or at least the belief in truth) and refuses to live by it. So, no matter how much factual data you throw at them in the way of our Christian heritage, they will repudiate it, because they refuse to accept truth. No other area is this more evident than when trying to debunk the modern propaganda known as historical revisionism.

[TheRationalthinker]

See my video: AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION: TRUE OR FALSE?

[rexy5]

@TheRationalthinker Rephrase: America is a Christian Nation: TRUE or FALSE? (By asking "America is not a Christian Nation, you're going to trip people up on a potential double negative answer. K.I.S.S.)

[whoo689]

There's so much stuff the Bible says, even in the NT, that we know for a fact is completely wrong or inaccurate. Yet so many Christians still accept the old version of the Bible. They think it's "god's word", and how can "god" ever be wrong? Grow up! Religion is bullshit, through and through. It was designed by primitive cultures for a more primitive and unlearned time. But we've advanced so far beyond that kind of indoctrination.

[tpique1]

Can you please explain to me 3 places in the NT that are inaccurate? Please don't just make "drive by" statements like that and then not substantiate them.

[Saddlemomma]

Exactly tpique1! Everytime I see an unbeliever state something like this, they conveniently never state what they are referencing. Never any facts presented; just a statement of their personal knowledge. Kind of defeats their reasoning right from the get-go.

whoo689 - have you read the Bible or just picked through it? Did you hear someone mention a passage without looking for yourself? Have you read and studied the whole Bible in context? Do you know that it was written in 3 languages?

[whoo689]

This is such a joke. More intellectual and educated Christians are far more tolerant and much less likely to judge others and bitch about stupid shit like this that doesn't really have much of an adverse effect in the long run. They live their lives and don't concern themselves with every silly little thing that goes on.

And how indocrinated and gullible and unthinking do you have to be to take your morality from a narrow book that hasn't changed in millenia??

[whoo689]

Give me a break. Barton refers to a guy in old America who actually believed that all of America's problems could be solved because of a religious text? Get real! What about the last half of the OT where God acts like an ultraconservative jerk and keeps 'punishing' the Israelis for not conforming to his rigid moral standards? He did some pretty horrible things to them. I can't justify that on my worst enemy.

Or Leviticus? pretty good solutions in Leviticus, eh? Like killing gays?

[whoo689]

That's why I'm a libertarian. I got tired of holding positions that were pro-freedom only a few big issues and then being anti-freedom other issues. Conservatives and liberals claim to be "the freedom people", but they only believe in some political freedom.

Libertarians, we believe in political and individual freedom in ALL walks of life, so long as you are not harming others or infringing on their rights. We don't believe just because u dislike something you have a right to outlaw it.

[whoo689]

Aren't conservatives the ones who claim to be "anti-big government" and skeptical of governmental power?? Yet you want them to do a whole host of things to suit your agenda to take away individual freedom (anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-euthanasia, etc.). You want them to shove God and religion down our throats.

Of course, you guys pretend like this is just a "citizen movement", and the legislators are just 'concerned citizens' like you, but they're not. They're the state!! Pricks

[whoo689]

Lastly, didn't the first Americans, the Puritans and Pilgrims, come here BECAUSE of religious persecution in England? They wanted more religious tolerance and didn't like the fact that government was so in bed with religion. THAT'S what separation of church and state is about!! Religion and government, when they are mixed, often corrupt each other. No one wins, in the end, except maybe the theocrats at the top. Why do Christian conservatives put so much faith in gov't power for god?

[whoo689]

You just can't put stupid religious displays on government property or have the 10 Commandments in front of a church. I don't know if you realize this, but TWO of the Commandments directly mention god, and one of them is extremely silly (don't worship 'other gods' or idols) for our time.  The other 8 commandments are general principles all cultures pretty much accept. It doesn't matter if they came from the Bible or not. All cultures have pretty much the same morals deep down.

[whoo689]

I mean, in front of a court, not a church. My bad. You also can't have a church, which is designed for PRIVATE WORSHIP, to get involved in public government. If they wanna do that, they have to pay their admission fee: taxes. Otherwise, the church should just form its own independent political group aside from church. If I were a congregant, I wouldn't want some asshole preacher telling me how to vote and misinterpreting Bible passages to tell me how to be a "good christian." It's insane.

[whoo689]

Thomas Jefferson, for christ sakes, took out ALL the supernatural crap in the Bible and made his own version, based on the morals taught in it! Sure, some founders said that a nation needs religion and morals, but those quotes never say "they need god" specifically. Religion doesn't necessarily equal God. Take Buddhism, Daoism and Confucianism, for example. Those are 3 major religions which don't have any personified higher powers. They're more about teaching morals, not supernatural crap.

[whoo689]

the term "religion" actually can have many uses. I remember in my Religion in America class, one of the types of "religion" we referred to was American "political religion", all the stuff that makes our political culture and the values and whatnot. Those things we hold dear that are politically-related, like the flag and the founding documents.

Plus, who's taking God out of public life?? No one! They're just taking God out of GOVERNMENT. You can still pray and worship in public.

[whoo689]

If the US is such a "christian nation", why is the word "God" found nowhere in the Constitution? I mean, not even the Preamble says "to establish a Christian nation!" You'd think if the Founders really considered us such a "Christian nation", they'd say it in the Constitution. Sure, they say it in the Declaration, but they never refer to Him by name. They just refer to "nature's god" or "the creator" or "god" in general, making the case for deist founders even more provable.

[FreeAgain2]

The Congress ordered Bibles for public schools back in the day of Jefferson.

Read the Walls Of Congress - what do you see - the 10 Commandments, Moses, and other Christian symbols.

Thanksgiving Day - a proclaimation to give Thanks to God.

IN GOD WE TRUST.

[FreeAgain2]

Clearly, America is a Christian Nation. The Congress has even ordered

[CleveDan]

liarsforjesus com/footnotes_1.htm

[bradhart78]

Sorry, Barton is a proven fraud.

[crsurfer19]

give a link or show some proof - please no regurgitation.

[Mams31383]

start with the treaty of tripoli.....just try it.

[bygraceur]

Barton has already answered the Treaty of Tripoli...maybe you should check it out.

[Mams31383]

liarsforjesusdotcom

[Jimmyhendrick2]

I've seen two of his videos, and he is credible! According to his documents, each colonies had laws requiring literacy and Bible reading for students.

[thinkthinkthink5]

We can sit and judge this man, but from what I've heard, he's got a library of thousands of documents from America's early days. He's not pulling a rabbit out of a hat. He's got proof. And I'm sure he'd be happy to share it with you. He's done his research, why can't we do ours?

[CleveDan]

no bibles were paid for or imported by congress...barton knows this. he quotes from a motion for something to be voted on. even then the cost was to be reimbursed because the US congress should not be paying for bibles. It never passed. bibles were not imported or bought. A liar for Christ is quote mining....I'm shocked!!!

[Canyonville777]

I have personally seen and handled the Congressional Bible printed by Congress.  CleveDan, yes it's real.

[CleveDan]

"I have personally seen and handled the Congressional Bible printed by Congress. CleveDan, yes it's real."

This is not what he references in the video. You may be referring to the jefferson bible which isn;t too bad. it tells a story of jesus but omits the old testament and anything supernatural...does that fit with your christian beleifs?

[CleveDan]

Jefferson omitted the entire Old Testament as not relevant

>Jefferson gave one account of Jesus, leaving out all the duplications of the gospels.

>Jefferson threw out all of the miraculous acts of Jesus as unrealistic

>Jefferson omitted ther Acts or the Apostles, Epistles, and Revelation

>Jefferson left out the resurrection and ends with Jesus being laid in a tomb.

[CleveDan]

he thinks the courts keep religion out too much?? Will he think that when his kids our led astray by a Muslim teacher in their public school?? will he think that when the teacher teaches that Thomas Jefferson was motivated by a belief that Christians were silly superstitious people and that the trinity was laughable??? Barton is to history what Ken Ham is to science:):) now excuse me, i have been feeling ill and i must go have my blood let.....like the founding fathers

[NFG148]

In case you haven't heard Islam is now going to be taught in school.

[whoo689]

who told u that? Matt Drudge? Lol

[CleveDan]

Liar for Christ!:)

A seminary refers to any college. it does not refer to studying for the priesthood or a theological degree as Barton would like you to believe. The bible school thin is something he just throws in for the heck of it.

Does he think we should be like the pilgrims: no Christmas? no easter? marriage is a secular thing???...nope, he just wants to lie and act like our founders were all right wing Christians

[crsurfer19]

He has proof - just show yours - words are hollow.

[tonygem]

"We should all then, like the Quakers, live without an order of priests, moralize for ourselves, follow the oracle of conscience, and say nothing about what no man can understand, nor therefore believe." Thomas Jefferson

[dragoonthief]

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli anyone.

[FreeAgain2]

The George Washington Farewell speech; right back at you.

(Tripoli? could you please get more arcane)

[CleveDan]

The Treaty of Tripoli was unanimously approved by congress and published in the papers of the day. The fact that it says that the united states is in no way a Christian nation would seem to be a relevant point. I would say for the same reasons that it differs from a speech given by GW

[dadgramps]

Actually you are incorrect and ignorant He is stating very provable known truth

[JonWRowe]

Actually only one signer of the Declaration was a minister -- John Witherspoon.

[vmbard]

Awesome! This is so educational. This should be mandatory viewing for every freshmen entering college... to counter the professor's liberal spin.

[OriginalGuest]

Too bad it's not accurate.

[lordbeaker]

Exactly... rewriting history from misquotes of misquotes should be a crime.

[OriginalGuest]

Yeah, but what's a few lies if it tricks people into believing in Christ, right?

Fundies....

[pvandy71]

Too bad just saying 'its not accurate' doesnt make it inaccurate.

Please elaborate on what exactly you are saying is inaccurate?

If you are saying colleges are not liberal please explain in detail why you dont believe the poster is inaccurate.

Also i find it funny that most uneducated people will accuse others of being uneducated and than accuse them of never having stepped foot in a college...most educated folks will have something intellectual to say in order to support their view

[Whoo69]

what liberal spin, exactly? I've taken 5 classes last semester, and I'm taking 4 this semester. I have yet to meet a 'liberal' professor. Don't listen to david horowitz. he's full of shit.

[OriginalGuest]

Pretty much. Of all my professors, I had maybe one who could be considered a "liberal," and even he wasn't in-your-face about it.

This myth of evil liberal colleges is spewed by people who most likely have never set foot in a college. (Probably because it's too "faggy".)

[pvandy71]

On January 21, 1781, Robert Aitken presented a petition to Congress offering to print "a neat Edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools." After appointing a committee to study the project,Congress acted on September 12, 1782by "highly approving of the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr.Aitken."The endorsement by Congress was printed in the Aitken Bible

The endorsement was signed by Declaration of Independance signer Charles Thomson, who was Secretary of the Continental Congress