Nas is taking his time with Life is Good. Pete Rock, Exile, Dj Premier, Statik Selektah, RZA, Kanye West, Salaam Reemi, The Alchemist, Dr Dre, Swizz, Bangladesh, Kane Beats, Large Professor and others have all confirmed to have submitted him beats at some stage, so now its up to him to orchestrate the shit. AZ, Jay Electronica are on it, but none other guests confirmed.
I think Nas overextends himself at times like if he took his time with his albums they could be stronger because like someone said before the 9th wonder version of gods son is better but i think nas is a better story teller than three stacks
sometimes i wish i was born in the 80s so i could have been a hiphop, mixtape playin, slangin, lyricts, etc. teen and rockin this album in my acura which was as mainstream as T.I.'s new single but with hip hop heads around the globe i just keep my cool and stop hatin the mainstream wave
@Staalstraal One of the beauties of hip hop is comparing the styles, albums and rappers. It's been done for years, I don't know what the big issue is.
True, I did put that a bit bluntly I admit, but I'm just a tired of that constant urge to prove why one rapper is better than someone else. I love a good debate though but comparisons too often lead to praising one at the expense of another. That's all.
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I know you guys dont care, but im here to bring back the 90s era rap. GO TO MY CHANNEL TO LISTEN TO SOME REAL HIP HOP. I'm following the foot steps of Nas, the greatest emcee of all time. Please take some time to support me, thanks!
Fuck man theres just something about Nas..I cant put into words how happy his music makes me, how fucking nasty his lyrics are..its unbelievable and unexplanable you just have to shut the fuck up and bump your head..G.O.A.T please Nas why cant you fuck off the mainstream and just make some golden era rap music again.
LISTEN UP EVERYONE, if we spam the fuck out of his social networking accounts asking him to make this type of music, maybe he will listen. From his real fans. Who made this beat?
Overrated as fuck, if someone like Kool Keith put this shit out, it'd have little over a thousand views, just proves y'all dick-ride this nigga to death.
@MariosLasagna Illmatic's one of my favorite albums of all time, but Nas' is one of the worst and most overrated rapper of all time. Any other rapper that'd drop this wouldn't get this kind of reception.
@KryptonDaVillain you need to get your grammar str8 son do u even know what you just typed? You just said Nas is one of the worst rappers of all time... And he got this many views cuz he's da man what you expect? He's not overrated, he's highly skilled and is one of the few who deserve his position.
@RelaxednCaIm Shut your mouth up the Wu cited Ultramagnetic as an influence on their style, especially Ghost and if you even touched a 36 Chambers CD you'd known that 'cos it's on the album cover. So how can they be better than the originators who they stole they style from.
@RelaxednCaIm Shut your mouth up the Wu cited Ultramagnetic as an influence on their style, especially Ghost and if you even touched a 36 Chambers CD you'd known that 'cos it's on the album cover. So how can they be better than the originators who they stole they style from.
@KryptonDaVillain Nas is the best rapper of all time. Period. Excluding nobody.
He's made a hell of a lot more great music than just illmatic. I'll tell you right now: It was Written, The Lost Tapes, and God's Son (the 9th Wonder Version) are as good, or better, than any rap album you can name. Stillmatic has the best lyrical performance of the 2000s. Period. Some of the beats suck, but his performance on there cannot be denied.
@spideymayne I don't like MF Doom, but I can tell you Madvillainy was the best lyrical perfomance of the 2000s. Deltron 3030 was also far above Stillmatic when it comes to lyrical performance. I was once like you, heralded anything and everything Nas dropped even if it was wack. I'll tell you now, in a couole of years, you'll eat up them comments like I once did. OutKast's whole discography is better than that you just mentioned, so is Scarfaces, so is Jay Z's.
@KryptonDaVillain I actually consider Nas the best because of his unreleased discography. There aren't too many artists in any genre (aside from Pac) who have over 100 incredible songs floating around. Combine that with four classic albums, one of them (illmatic) arguably the most important album of its decade, and you get the greatest to ever do it.
That said, I actually really like every single artist and album you named, including that 3030 project, so I respect your taste.
@spideymayne Unreleased tracks aren't really a factor wen making the decision on whether or not an artist is a G.O.A.T contender. When I use the term classic I mean legit classics - critically/universally acclaimed albums which OutKast has in it's first string of four albums. Also, Ready to Die had more of an impact in the 90s than Illmatic and so did Enters the 36 Chambers of Wu Tang, although I won't deny Illmatic's impact on hip hop as wjole as possibly the most important..
@KryptonDaVillain Unreleased catalogs are certainly a factor for GOAT contention in -my- book--especially when they're as deep and varied as Nas's (or Pac's). Evaluating an artist on official material only brings a number of problems into a GOAT discussion: certain artists have more leverage on their labels than others, and certain released songs may not necessarily reflect an artist's true intentions or ability. Basically, it paints a more accurate picture of said artist can do.
@spideymayne Albums are more important than unreleased tracks because they count towards the artists discography, which unreleased tracks do not. If it was a factor then Jay Electronica would be considered a serious G.O.A.T contender, which he's not. Albums also reflect the artists consistency, which unreleased tracks do not. Albums also reflect an artists longevity, which unreleased tracks do not.
@KryptonDaVillain As far as albums go, I think our disagreement centers on what counts as important or not. Like I said, there are other factors that determine what songs get released or not beyond just an artist picking them (i.e. leverage, industry clout, prior commercial success, etc.) Eminem gets to release whatever he wants without anyone having any say in it. G. Dep does not. Many songs on Dep's debut album were influenced by Puffy and not a true reflection of his interest or skill.
@spideymayne Nas has never had this problem with his albums though (or at least publicly stated this). I'm sure he had full control over Stillmatic which many consider to be his best work after Illmatic and Lost Tapes and it was still a very mediocre release in comparison to what OutKast/Dre released.
@spideymayne Andre 3000 is a better rapper than Nas, he's got the voice, he's got the albums (OutKast which he consistently outshines Big Boi), he's got the impact and his lyricism and gift of gab are wonderful. You could say the same for Nas (which I do), but there's no doubt as an ARTIST - Dre is better.
@KryptonDaVillain I'm not following your argument about Ready to Die having West Coast influence, though. Explain that a little bit more.
As far as Andre goes, he's one of my favorite rappers ever, but he's no Nas. What proof do we have that he could make a solo album as strong as illmatic? All of his stuff is group work, and he hasn't made more than a handful of songs in almost a decade--almost all of them guest verses.
@spideymayne There are more complete rappers than Nas, such as Mos Def and Andre 3000. You mentioning It Was Written and God's Son which both weren't critically acclaimed showed me that you're just saying this because you're a Nas stan. I can name one hundred rap albums better than all those (apart from Illmatic which is a personal favorite, despite how much I like Nas).
@KryptonDaVillain LOL. If you think MF Doom and Mos Def are better rappers than Nas, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I'm actually not a big fan of the God's Son album--I like 9th Wonder's version. It's a perfect example of Nas's potential: even on his weak albums, if you simply fix the beats, the bad songs become amazing.
@KryptonDaVillain LOL. If you think MF Doom and Mos Def are better rappers than Nas, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I'm actually not a big fan of the God's Son album--I like 9th Wonder's version. It's a perfect example of Nas's potential: even on his weak albums, if you simply fix the beats, the bad songs become amazing.
@spideymayne As far as 36 Chamber or Biggie's first album being more influential, you're going to explain how either of those albums had more impact than illmatic. They brought mainstream attention away from the West Coast back to the East Coast, and both are obvious classics, and both feature a ton of musical and lyrical innovations, but neither album is revolutionary. If anything, Cuban Linx and Life After Death (which is inferior to LAD, but whatever) were the game-changers from both camps.
@spideymayne Enter the 36 Chambers brought little mainstream attention back to New York, but it's presence was felt on East Coasts underground (although Onyx's release was more impactful that year). Not many people outside of New York would have heard of Enter the 36 Chambers or Illmatic, but without Enter the 36 Chambers being released (although some of Illmatic was recorded around '93) I doubt Illmatic would have met the acclaim it has garnered.
@KryptonDaVillain 36 Chambers went platinum, fam. That was an enormously successful album. You can make an argument that its success increased the likelihood of illmatic being heard, but we'd be making an assumption about it since there's no real evidence to prove it. Regardless, tho, it doesn't minimize illmatic's impact in the 90s at all, and you'd still have to explain how it was more influential than illmatic.
@spideymayne The first of the many classic albums that came along during '93 and '95 that brought along the East Coast hip hop revival, many posse cuts were soon released afterwards all of which featured many more than 5 people (to recapture what the Wu had done as seen on Big L's '8 iz Enuff'), the album and the group was commonly referenced after it's release and before 'Wu Tang Forever', the artists albums released prior to there sophomore album all went platinum.
@KryptonDaVillain Wait--are you talking about Wu-Tang's album being influential? My bad--I read that as Biggie revitalizing posse cuts. LOL. Anyways, you still have the same problems: there were posse cuts on both coasts before and after 36 Chambers, and none of them really had the same particular vibe the Wu had on theirs. (How does 8 is Enuff sound like a Wu posse cut?) Rza's production was obviously influential, and Cuban Linx inspired trends that Jay, Nas, and Big all copied--not the debut.
@spideymayne Come on man, it's like a carbon copy of Protect Ya Neck, short verses, eight rappers, no verse is overly long and there's no chorus. Cuban Linx was highly influential, but Nas' and Jay's mafioso albums sounded more like Live and Let Die if anything.
@KryptonDaVillain Having short verses and eight rappers isn't a Wu-Tang trademark, though--there were a ton of groups using that format. (CoTC. Brand Nubian.) Their trademark as a group is really with using movie samples (usually from martial arts movies) to kick off songs; martial arts themes in the lyrics; sped up soul samples on the beats; and 5 percenter talk. Jedi Mind Tricks would be a good example of someone blatantly biting The Wu's sound. It's tougher to make a case for Big L
@spideymayne I'm pretty sure most people would rather have OutKast drop one last album than have Nas, his rapping is sub=par compared to Andre 3000 and Big Boi who dropped a classic just recently even though they're around the same age and debuted their albums at the same time.
@spideymayne Ready to Die in my opinion was the most impactful album in terms of its impact on reviving the hip hop scene (which I'm not saying was dead, but was in need of revival) and it took away all of the spotlight Nas got when he dropped Illmatic. I don't remember much West Coast rappers doing collaborations with East Coast rappers prior to Ready to Die (correct me if I'm wrong, just basing this on what I've heard) but once Biggie dropped his debut rappers from all coast wanted to collab.
@KryptonDaVillain I'm not disagreeing with you about how successful Ready to Die was. It did influence Nas's direction on his next album, but I'm sure you've heard the "Shark N*s" skit on Cuban Linx that implies Biggie's album cover was a jack of the illmatic cover. LOL. illmatic influenced everyone, fam. Everyone. And there were East/West collabs before RTD--see Ice Cube's entire debut produced by the Bomb Squad, for example, or his collabs with Kane.
@spideymayne I know there were East Coast collabs before Biggie, but during that '92-'94 stint there weren't many. Yes, Illmatic's influence is unquestionable, but it had/has nothing on Ready to Die's, I still see current mainstream hip hop artists citing that album and just recently Monica remixed 'Who Shot Ya'. I know ElZhi dropped that Illmatic mixtape (all time favorite), but nobody in the mainstream, as far as I've heard in this decade has mentioned Illmatic.
@KryptonDaVillain An album being a classic and an album being a game-changer are two different things. The odds of someone not liking Ready to Die are about as rare as...well, someone not liking illmatic. LOL. Many people have paid tribute to Biggie, but what did RTD specifically do for rap music that no one else did at the time? There aren't any posse cuts on RTD, fam. Hell, there are barely guest verses.
@spideymayne Yeah, I meant 36 Chambers btw. I agree that there is a difference between an album being a classic and a game changer (Cam'Ron's early 2000's material - game changer, De La Soul is Dead - classic). Ready to Die was both, it was a game changer because it was one of the first albums that had singles that could dominate the Billboard 100 ('Juicy' and 'Big Poppa') and also have tracks like 'The What' and 'Suicidal Thoughts' that kept fans of hardcore rap happy.
@KryptonDaVillain I think we both agree that RTD was great--I'm just still not hearing how, specifically, it did something that other albums didn't do. What you're attributing to Ready to Die (balancing hardcore and pop tracks) had been done as early as 1984 with Run DMC's "Raising Hell"--a game-changing album for that very reason. What did that album do that Dr. Dre hadn't done in 1992? Life After Death, despite being inferior to RTD, was really Biggie's game-changing album.
@spideymayne Illmatic did the same in copying Paid in Full's formula (10 tracks, etc) but like Raising Hell it was an album released in the decade prior and we're talking about the '90s. The Chronic was on the West Coast and it's lead singles sounded very much like the songs on it's album, whilst 'the contrast in production and song quality on Ready to Die's singles and album tracks is very large. 'Juicy' sounds nothing like 'Gimme The Loot' unless we're talking about the lyrics.
@KryptonDaVillain I dunno if the pop songs on RTD are that far removed from the hardcore songs. Sampling Mtume and The Isley Brothers is way less extreme than sampling Diana Ross (i.e. Mo Money, Mo Problems). Puffy widened the gap in pop sampling by making the radio songs on LAD super poppish and the hardcore songs super hardcore (ie using Premier). This is the formula still widely used today--why most rap radio songs are super pop. That's also why LAD is way less cohesive than RTD.
@spideymayne This formula used on Ready to Die is still used on many mainstream albums today were the singles are very much pop-orientated and the songs on the album differ (just take a look at Young Jeezy or Gucci Mane's albums). The lead singles on Illmatic and many other albums of the early '90s sounded very much like the other songs.
@spideymayne Illmatic certainly was a game changer and it's influence can be witnessed on Ready to Die, but it just doesn't have the impact and influence Ready to Die had on '90s hip hop. Ready to Die alone made Bad Boy records the powerhouse that it was in the '90s and what it is 'til this day.
@KryptonDaVillain Nobody wants to admit it, but Outkast functions best as a group. Andre's skill as an emcee is highlighted, not limited, by the talents of the people around him. He can shine on an 8-bar or a 16-bar verse, but so can Nas, who also influenced rap's legends--Biggie's album cover and Pac conceptually (Me and My Girlfriend).
Meth got Biggie on The What. Jay matched Big on Brooklyn's Finest. Nobody got Nas on anything from 1992-1996. What legend has Andre outshined or influenced?
@spideymayne OutKast/Andre influenced the whole region of the South. Andre got UGK on International Player's Anthem. He outshone Goodie Mob and Cee-Lo Green on almost all the tracks they were featured on together. He outshone Raekwon on Royal Flush. His verse on 'Dedication to My Ex' was better than Nas' perfomance on 'Nasty'. Kool G Rap had Nas on 'Fast Life'. Ghostface Killah had Nas on 'Verbal Intercourse'. AZ had Nas on 'Life's A Bitch' which was probably the perfomance of Illmatic.
@KryptonDaVillain First of all, LOL @ any of those cats outshining Nas on any of those songs you named--especially Verbal Intercourse, which is easily one of the best verses of the 90s. I personally never thought AZ got Nas on anything, and it's sure as hell not the best verse on that album (or even that song). It's pointless to argue any of that, though, because we have completely different opinions on what we value in an emcee. But Verbal Intercourse, man? Come on.
@spideymayne Nas' verse was super tight on 'Verbal Intercourse', used to be my favorite actually, but after years of maturing I have to say Face came hardest on that track, with Nas second and Raekwon way back in third when it comes to ranking those veres in my opinion.
@KryptonDaVillain Metacritic scores don't mean a lot to me, either. Half of those reviewers are completely clueless when it comes to hip-hop. Remember when The Source gave Soul on Ice 2.5 mics? Or when Rolling Stone said De la Soul is Dead sucked?
Matter of fact, have you ever checked a Rolling Stone stone greatest albums of all time list? Rap is barely represented beyond a few awful Eminem albums. Last one I saw, RD placed at like 400 out of 500. LOL. It was a joke.
@spideymayne Put Nas up against Dre from '96 to '98, G Rap in '92, Ghostface in '00 Rakim '87 to '90 and Ice from '90 and '92 and he'd lose (not undermining the fact that Nas was superb during that era).
@KryptonDaVillain Re: Nas: find me some better verses from any of those cats better than Street Dreams; Street Dreams Remix; I Gave You Power; Shootouts; or Take it in Blood. You named like 5 rappers in my personal top 10, and none of them are seeing what Nas did in 1996 alone. He philosophizes like Rakim; has the content of an Ice Cube; tells amazing stories (Slick Rick/G. Rap) with insane imagery and usually an interesting use of metaphor (Ghost). That's why he's the GOAT.
@spideymayne Dre's verse on 'Synthesizer', Ghostface's verse on 'Verbal Intercourse', Dre's verse on 'Da Art Of Storytelling Pt. 2', Dre's verse on 'Chonkyfire', Rakim's verses on 'Microphone Fiend'. All of those were in my opinion on par (maybe slightly less) with those Nas verses, but these aren't the best verses I've ever heard, neither were those that I mentioned for Dre his best. Ghost in 2000 was invicible, Dre would have outshone any East/West/South coast rapper during his prime.
@spideymayne Andre 3000's group work is better than Nas' solo stuff. His best verses easily outshine the best Nas verses I've heard, his voice is unique, he's managed to crossover to mainstream fans whilst still getting love from undergound/indie rap fans. Released four undisputable classic albums, constantly outshining Big Boi and can make hits as shown by his most recent collaboration with Lil Wayne and Lloyd.
@KryptonDaVillain Re: Andre: I understand that you like him better than Nas. Like I said, I personally disagree that he's a better rapper in any single shape or form. To even argue the idea that he's better than Nas, you'd have to first overcome the hurdle of Andre never having a major solo album besides that weird R&B album he did when he decided he didn't want to rap anymore. Hehas a handful of songs rapping by himself. None of them are seeing Nas's core discography. Let's call a deadlock. LOL
@spideymayne OutKast's discography is greater than Nas'. His work as OutKast is counted towards his releases aswell, just like KRS One's project as BDP is recognized as his work and Q Tip's work as A Tribe Called Quest is recognized as his releases.
@KryptonDaVillain Outkast has three classic albums--as a group. To give Andre complete credit for those albums would be to discount Big Boi, Sleepy Brown, Organized Noise, and even the contributions of the Dungeon Family. Notice how The Love Below wasn't on the same planet as their first three albums. Same for Tip--his solo work is nowhere near the work of the first 3 (I'll say 4) Tribe albums. KRS, meanwhile, made two classic solo albums (Boom Bap and his s/t). Andre never has.
@spideymayne Not discrediting anyone of their involvements in OutKast's albums but I think it's pretty much accepted that Dre was the star of the first three of OutKast's FOUR classic albums and his perfomances on them are greater than that of Nas' best albums (except Illmatic).
@KryptonDaVillain 1) Stankonia is not a classic, fam. It's great, but there are some serious missteps on that album. It is one of the best albums of the 2000s, tho.
2) Dre was the star of Outkast in the same way that Paul McCartney was the "star" of The Beatles--he's the crowd favorite. But like I explained before, he was one component of a formula. What evidence do you have that he'd make a classic solo album besides his being a good rapper?
@spideymayne You can't say it's not a classic because you don't like it, one person not liking an album puts them as an outlier when there are millions of people that meet that album with such acclaim. Stankonia has a metacritic score of 95, 2 more than the trailing hip hop album Madvillainy. It's a classic album, evven if you don't like it.
@KryptonDaVillain I like all of those verses and songs--I just don't think they're on the level of those Nas songs. It's cool, though. You obviously have good taste and know your hip-hop--we just won't see eye-to-eye on this. LOL. I'll say this, though: Stankonia isn't a classic because it's not even on the level of the 3 classics before it. It's a great album--just not as good as any album I'd consider classic (i.e. Cube's first three, Reasonable Doubt, 36 Chambers, illmatic, etc.)
@spideymayne Agreed, Stankonia isn't on par with Aquemini or ATLiens, but neither is 'Raising Hell' which is so dated, yet is considered a classic, lol. Stankonia's influence is evident in Kanye's release My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, both which are - in my opinion - the most artistic and expiremntal hip hop albums of all time. I don't refer to reviewers like Rolling Stones magazine and Pitchfork when it comes to hip hop, but yeah, the list was bad, but atleast hip hop albums were included.
@KryptonDaVillain Great comments. In terms of quality, tho? Hell yeah Stankonia is seeing Raising Hell. But...-but-...Raising Hell is one of the most important albums in rap history. Stankonia did some impressive things, and it's definitely a unique album, but there wouldn't be an Outkast or Kanye or Nas without that album making the impact it did.
@spideymayne Can't disagree there at all, but you were holding Stankonia back from being called a classic because it wasn't up there with the powerhouses Reasonable Doubt and Illmatic. Reasonable Doubt wasn't nearly as innovative as Enter the 36 Chambers, nor was it a big a game changer as Illmatic was and it didn't influence/impact no other rapper but Jay Z himself and the direction he'd take.
@spideymayne If we're saying an album is classic just in terms of quality of music, tho, that opens the floodgates for a -lot- of good hip-hop to be considered classic. My question is this: what should the criteria be for an album to be considered classic? I don't think it can just be musical quality (but the quality should be high). What about musical innovations? Influence?
@spideymayne Influence certainly, musical innovations, the impact it had on the artists career and music and the respect the albums gained outside it's genre also helps, but is not key (however, I see this distinguishing underground classics from general classic albums i.e, Non Phixion's - The Future is Now which many consider and underground classic and Madvillainy which had it not been for the acclaim it garnered from listeners of other genres would of remained an underground classic).
@spideymayne You also have to respect that Stankonia was released in the same year Eminem relezsed The Marshall Marthers LP (which to date has sold about 20 million records) and still received so much praise and publicity, it certainly was musically innovative because I don't think Rolling Stones ever treated an hip hop album with such respect before it and after.
@KryptonDaVillain Can't disagree with any of that--especially the part about Reasonable Doubt. You're right: it wasn't a game changer and didn't bring anything new to the table. And yet, the music is still great enough to consider it a classic. Point taken.
Tell you what: I'm willing to call Stankonia a classic if you can agree that illmatic deserves its status. Fair?
andre 3000 was never called great until his verse on player's anthem came out. then all of a sudden he was top 5. he's good but as a rapper is definately not nicer than nas is. i don't even know he got as revered as he is by some. and rolling stone has given albums that are far better than stankonia less praise, so that shouldn't call for automatic respect.
@RelaxednCaIm What you said about Stankonia is largely due to it's crossover appeal. I don't even consider it to be OutKast's third best release, that I give to Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, but I'm able to accept it was their second most important album.
@RelaxednCaIm With some artists it takes a break for people to realize how great they were and this was no different with Dre. After the immensely popular 'Hey Ya' people dug deeper into OutKast's work and then finally did they truly appreciate how great a rapper Dre is. His verse on 'Synthesizer' - in my opinion, is better than any verse Nas has dropped and his voice, lyricism and poetic technique (yes, I deem him a poet) is greater than Nas'.
voice i would say they are even, depending on the track. flow i'd give to andre, yeah. lyricism and poetic technique? no sir. synthesizer was dope. nas' verse on last words i'd say is better than that with ease though. if dre was ever not appreciated, he's making up for it now.
@RelaxednCaIm Sorry I forgot you were the biggest Nas stan on YouTube. You're telling me a verse from Nas on that lame-ass album holds up to 'Synthesizer'..? Come on man, get a hold of yourself.
the album was bad, but last words and a few other were dope. funny thing is, if andre 3000 spit the last words verse you'd think it was golden. just because and album isn't great doesn't mean one verse can't be better than another. instead of calling me a stan, break down how it was better.
@RelaxednCaIm No, I've had discussions like this with you before about Kool Keith, but you'd often discredit everything I said with stuff like ''pseudo nonsense..'' or ''Nas' verses are better because nobody talks about how Keith's verses are..'' etc. I can bring any Dre verse to the table and tell you how it was better than Nas' verse on that song.
well thats not a good point, because andre is a legit emcee. explain how it's better. they're very comparable versesdope concepts). but you love abstract art on wax. but at least andre is reasonably abstract, unlike a shark/croco-surgeon i know.
@RelaxednCaIm And you like one hit wonders like Nas. Dre's second verse on Elevator uses allegory perfectly to talk about how his recent stardom (from the South that is) has affected him. Dre's verbal imagery is immaculate in this verse and I've yet to hear a Nas verse that good.
big boi was better than dre on elevators though. dre was good on that though. he was better on synthesizer than on elevators. i'd put the last verse on one love over dre on elevators easily. like i said, dre is definitively legit, just not that nice.
@RelaxednCaIm I'd put Dre's first verse on Aquemini over Nas' last verse on One Love and his renowned (although very overrated) verse on Return of the G over Nas' last verse on One Love. The best Nas verse I've heard was his first on Memory Lane and that I still don't think is in Synthesizer or Chonkyfire's league.
@RelaxednCaIm I didn't mean to use the term 'league'. Have you heard Chonkyfire? Or are you just reading the lyrics? Dre's verses sound a lot better when listened to rather than recited. This may be why you underrate Synthesizer. The issues he decided to come across in his verse on Synthesizer are a still relevant to this day.
i have heard all of outkasts shit up till stankonia. still havent heard SB/LB fully and don't know if i want to. i don't read lyrics of sites because usually lyric sites have the lyrics wrong. aquemini is a better performance than synthesizer. so is last words, to me anyway. but i would put andre's flow above nas' and that's about it.
@RelaxednCaIm You'd also have to put him above Nas in lyricism and his use of metaphors and alliteration (I can name a bunch of songs which he does so). He also uses poetical devices which makes him more of an complete artist when compared to Nas.
overall as a lyricist, i wouldn't say that. but yeah nas doesn't use metaphors that much. but overall he knows how to be affective with inagery without an abundance of similies and metaphors.
lots of rappers have used alliteration, so do some nursery rhymes. lol
oh and mos def's verse on theive's in the night > any nas or dre verse.
@RelaxednCaIm That Mos Def verse happens to be one of my favorite of all time, so yeah, I'd agree with that, though it's probably not even the very best on the album (cause it's that good an album). One thing I've forgotten to say is that Andre is the more consistent of the two as well. His verse on Royal Flush has been one of the most talked about of the past couple years.
@RelaxednCaIm He's remained at the top of his game in every guest appearance, on numerous occasions outshining the other features. I know a case to back up Nas is that he's at least been releasing albums, and it's much harder to release an album of 10+ songs and remain consistently good on the mic, but I don't think any of his albums from Hip Hop is Dead to his last collaboration with Damian have a good a verse as Royal Flush or International Players Anthem.
@ThumbsUpMike Shit i was born a year after and grew up on his shit ever since...i remember hearing it aint hard to tell a few times when it was actually on the radio and things like that..my memory is that deep! one day people gon realize nas aint no regular rapper..
@YoUnGSpaCeLY92 it took me to my teen years to discover nas cuz mtv would only promote lil wayne:/ im proud that i always hated lil wayne, never liked his music lol
but ever since i discovered Nas hes always been my favorite rapper and emcee, even over rakim
There isn't a reason for it to be though. It is not lost, it is on his demo tape. I have it and it is awesome, but it would be awesome if he lengthened it :D
original by norman conners is much better
btinsley1 4 days ago
can anybody confirm that the mediafire dl is legit
NiceAndSmooth247 1 week ago in playlist Nas pre illmatic
@NiceAndSmooth247 I can. It is just a text file, with the link to the file in the text file
exkimo64 6 days ago
why would they not remake this for illmatice !
TheIzzlDogg 1 week ago
@TheIzzlDogg illmatic*
TheIzzlDogg 1 week ago
Vinyl just sounds better!
SuperFretwell 2 weeks ago
THANK YOU !
kinstube 2 weeks ago
@LikeIsNas this song sounds eerie, pretty, and sad all at the same time. I love it. Nasty Nas.~ Ms. PoeticLikeNas
PoeticLikeNas 3 weeks ago
@PoeticLikeNas Nas overload haha, love to see people represent through their youtube names though, excuse the represent pun :)
LyricallyBlessedTV 2 weeks ago
Nostalgic!!
songotenz02 3 weeks ago
Nas is taking his time with Life is Good. Pete Rock, Exile, Dj Premier, Statik Selektah, RZA, Kanye West, Salaam Reemi, The Alchemist, Dr Dre, Swizz, Bangladesh, Kane Beats, Large Professor and others have all confirmed to have submitted him beats at some stage, so now its up to him to orchestrate the shit. AZ, Jay Electronica are on it, but none other guests confirmed.
WanderingSpiritProd 1 month ago
I think Nas overextends himself at times like if he took his time with his albums they could be stronger because like someone said before the 9th wonder version of gods son is better but i think nas is a better story teller than three stacks
1phreshprince1 1 month ago
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WakeUp2Love 3 weeks ago
sometimes i wish i was born in the 80s so i could have been a hiphop, mixtape playin, slangin, lyricts, etc. teen and rockin this album in my acura which was as mainstream as T.I.'s new single but with hip hop heads around the globe i just keep my cool and stop hatin the mainstream wave
Hindukush1001 1 month ago
@LikeIsNas wow the posts I read here were great. I forgot all about commenting on the song. Thanks for the great read.
PoeticLikeNas 1 month ago
Quit comparing NAS to Andre3000...it's pointless...but oh so human.
Staalstraal 1 month ago
@Staalstraal One of the beauties of hip hop is comparing the styles, albums and rappers. It's been done for years, I don't know what the big issue is.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
True, I did put that a bit bluntly I admit, but I'm just a tired of that constant urge to prove why one rapper is better than someone else. I love a good debate though but comparisons too often lead to praising one at the expense of another. That's all.
Staalstraal 1 month ago
@Staalstraal Cannot disagree at all with that.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
NAAS! <3
DBZ33Q 1 month ago
/watch?v=2vNzz2VMWac&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLAE352F0E6297C632 Copy and paste to your wwwyoutubecom listen to a real og,Spideymayne suggested it and it has over 2m views too.
zeokenX 1 month ago
i used to listen to this song alot...and somehow it got me depressed :/ lol
DRONEROC128 2 months ago in playlist 90's Old School Flow
will never stop loving this, nas was and still is truly amazing
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DJTUSCK 2 months ago
to bad he didn't finished it...
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CriTiKaLStateOfMind 2 months ago
i need this beat so ican rip this song and put it on my mixtape
TREAL406 2 months ago
So sad how legacies can be ruined...by getting with the wrong chick...
chisince80 2 months ago
@chisince80 nas still a legacy he amy have been in a tied up marrige but he doin him now thats why he left her1 lol
TREAL406 2 months ago
@TREAL406
I feel ya..I just listen to his music and try to forget how she played him ....like a dice game...
..the biggest point I'm making is for smart brothers to watch where they stick their dicks...its more trifling hoes out there now then ever before...
chisince80 2 months ago
@chisince80 u right hes always gonna be one of my fav rapper mc of all time
TREAL406 2 months ago
thanks dude ;)
xPowerfulFart 3 months ago
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larsy1313 3 months ago
Damn I can't like this classic enough!!
songotenz02 4 months ago
Fuck man theres just something about Nas..I cant put into words how happy his music makes me, how fucking nasty his lyrics are..its unbelievable and unexplanable you just have to shut the fuck up and bump your head..G.O.A.T please Nas why cant you fuck off the mainstream and just make some golden era rap music again.
LISTEN UP EVERYONE, if we spam the fuck out of his social networking accounts asking him to make this type of music, maybe he will listen. From his real fans. Who made this beat?
Godcaly123 4 months ago
Mr. N.A.Esssssss- yeeeesssssss............
slimbullet96 4 months ago
Everthangs on point, who constructed da beat?
gamsandyams 4 months ago
This song always gets me in the best mood
SuperVideo333 5 months ago
thank you for posting this video and album and the download link, gonna be bumping in my car for awhile now
birdbal 5 months ago
DOPE~~~~~~~~
darronstrandsoul 5 months ago
I got da snake eyez....
vegagas921 5 months ago
this beats got soul to it, thats the only way I can describe it, something supernatural
MrZangetsu468 5 months ago
! DOPE !
Yewell81 5 months ago
Overrated as fuck, if someone like Kool Keith put this shit out, it'd have little over a thousand views, just proves y'all dick-ride this nigga to death.
KryptonDaVillain 5 months ago
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MariosLasagna 5 months ago
@MariosLasagna Illmatic's one of my favorite albums of all time, but Nas' is one of the worst and most overrated rapper of all time. Any other rapper that'd drop this wouldn't get this kind of reception.
KryptonDaVillain 5 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain you need to get your grammar str8 son do u even know what you just typed? You just said Nas is one of the worst rappers of all time... And he got this many views cuz he's da man what you expect? He's not overrated, he's highly skilled and is one of the few who deserve his position.
MariosLasagna 5 months ago
@MariosLasagna Illmatic tight, but Nas as a whole sucks. Which is why he's my most hated rapper, he suck ass.
KryptonDaVillain 5 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain gtfo
birdbal 5 months ago
@birdbal Suck my dick?
KryptonDaVillain 5 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain You're alone on this one pal, Nas is the truth.
MariosLasagna 5 months ago
@MariosLasagna
he hates nas because he's better than kool keith
RelaxednCaIm 5 months ago
@RelaxednCaIm Other way around, stop being a idiot. Thank you very, very much.
KryptonDaVillain 4 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain
nope. and wu-tang are better than ultramagnetic. sorry.
RelaxednCaIm 4 months ago
@RelaxednCaIm Shut your mouth up the Wu cited Ultramagnetic as an influence on their style, especially Ghost and if you even touched a 36 Chambers CD you'd known that 'cos it's on the album cover. So how can they be better than the originators who they stole they style from.
KryptonDaVillain 4 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain
because they did it way better, and untramagnetic was over all corny like most 80s acts.
RelaxednCaIm 3 months ago
@RelaxednCaIm I assume you mean Ultramagnetic MCs. Corny? That's hilarious not to mention a fucking retarded statement. Shame on you sir!
danbower88 3 months ago
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@RelaxednCaIm Shut your mouth up the Wu cited Ultramagnetic as an influence on their style, especially Ghost and if you even touched a 36 Chambers CD you'd known that 'cos it's on the album cover. So how can they be better than the originators who they stole they style from.
KryptonDaVillain 4 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain i just got one thing to say to you sucka ass mothafucker you are ill & retarded
jacobladders 4 months ago
@jacobladders Your moms toes look like your face.
KryptonDaVillain 4 months ago
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jacobladders 4 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain you look like your momma's smelly bloody ass pussy after its riddled with hallow point bullets bitch
jacobladders 4 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Nas is the best rapper of all time. Period. Excluding nobody.
He's made a hell of a lot more great music than just illmatic. I'll tell you right now: It was Written, The Lost Tapes, and God's Son (the 9th Wonder Version) are as good, or better, than any rap album you can name. Stillmatic has the best lyrical performance of the 2000s. Period. Some of the beats suck, but his performance on there cannot be denied.
Who do you think is better than Nas?
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne I don't like MF Doom, but I can tell you Madvillainy was the best lyrical perfomance of the 2000s. Deltron 3030 was also far above Stillmatic when it comes to lyrical performance. I was once like you, heralded anything and everything Nas dropped even if it was wack. I'll tell you now, in a couole of years, you'll eat up them comments like I once did. OutKast's whole discography is better than that you just mentioned, so is Scarfaces, so is Jay Z's.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain I actually consider Nas the best because of his unreleased discography. There aren't too many artists in any genre (aside from Pac) who have over 100 incredible songs floating around. Combine that with four classic albums, one of them (illmatic) arguably the most important album of its decade, and you get the greatest to ever do it.
That said, I actually really like every single artist and album you named, including that 3030 project, so I respect your taste.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Unreleased tracks aren't really a factor wen making the decision on whether or not an artist is a G.O.A.T contender. When I use the term classic I mean legit classics - critically/universally acclaimed albums which OutKast has in it's first string of four albums. Also, Ready to Die had more of an impact in the 90s than Illmatic and so did Enters the 36 Chambers of Wu Tang, although I won't deny Illmatic's impact on hip hop as wjole as possibly the most important..
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Unreleased catalogs are certainly a factor for GOAT contention in -my- book--especially when they're as deep and varied as Nas's (or Pac's). Evaluating an artist on official material only brings a number of problems into a GOAT discussion: certain artists have more leverage on their labels than others, and certain released songs may not necessarily reflect an artist's true intentions or ability. Basically, it paints a more accurate picture of said artist can do.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Albums are more important than unreleased tracks because they count towards the artists discography, which unreleased tracks do not. If it was a factor then Jay Electronica would be considered a serious G.O.A.T contender, which he's not. Albums also reflect the artists consistency, which unreleased tracks do not. Albums also reflect an artists longevity, which unreleased tracks do not.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain As far as albums go, I think our disagreement centers on what counts as important or not. Like I said, there are other factors that determine what songs get released or not beyond just an artist picking them (i.e. leverage, industry clout, prior commercial success, etc.) Eminem gets to release whatever he wants without anyone having any say in it. G. Dep does not. Many songs on Dep's debut album were influenced by Puffy and not a true reflection of his interest or skill.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Nas has never had this problem with his albums though (or at least publicly stated this). I'm sure he had full control over Stillmatic which many consider to be his best work after Illmatic and Lost Tapes and it was still a very mediocre release in comparison to what OutKast/Dre released.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@spideymayne Andre 3000 is a better rapper than Nas, he's got the voice, he's got the albums (OutKast which he consistently outshines Big Boi), he's got the impact and his lyricism and gift of gab are wonderful. You could say the same for Nas (which I do), but there's no doubt as an ARTIST - Dre is better.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain I'm not following your argument about Ready to Die having West Coast influence, though. Explain that a little bit more.
As far as Andre goes, he's one of my favorite rappers ever, but he's no Nas. What proof do we have that he could make a solo album as strong as illmatic? All of his stuff is group work, and he hasn't made more than a handful of songs in almost a decade--almost all of them guest verses.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne There are more complete rappers than Nas, such as Mos Def and Andre 3000. You mentioning It Was Written and God's Son which both weren't critically acclaimed showed me that you're just saying this because you're a Nas stan. I can name one hundred rap albums better than all those (apart from Illmatic which is a personal favorite, despite how much I like Nas).
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain LOL. If you think MF Doom and Mos Def are better rappers than Nas, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I'm actually not a big fan of the God's Son album--I like 9th Wonder's version. It's a perfect example of Nas's potential: even on his weak albums, if you simply fix the beats, the bad songs become amazing.
spideymayne 2 months ago
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@KryptonDaVillain LOL. If you think MF Doom and Mos Def are better rappers than Nas, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I'm actually not a big fan of the God's Son album--I like 9th Wonder's version. It's a perfect example of Nas's potential: even on his weak albums, if you simply fix the beats, the bad songs become amazing.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne As far as 36 Chamber or Biggie's first album being more influential, you're going to explain how either of those albums had more impact than illmatic. They brought mainstream attention away from the West Coast back to the East Coast, and both are obvious classics, and both feature a ton of musical and lyrical innovations, but neither album is revolutionary. If anything, Cuban Linx and Life After Death (which is inferior to LAD, but whatever) were the game-changers from both camps.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Enter the 36 Chambers brought little mainstream attention back to New York, but it's presence was felt on East Coasts underground (although Onyx's release was more impactful that year). Not many people outside of New York would have heard of Enter the 36 Chambers or Illmatic, but without Enter the 36 Chambers being released (although some of Illmatic was recorded around '93) I doubt Illmatic would have met the acclaim it has garnered.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain 36 Chambers went platinum, fam. That was an enormously successful album. You can make an argument that its success increased the likelihood of illmatic being heard, but we'd be making an assumption about it since there's no real evidence to prove it. Regardless, tho, it doesn't minimize illmatic's impact in the 90s at all, and you'd still have to explain how it was more influential than illmatic.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne The first of the many classic albums that came along during '93 and '95 that brought along the East Coast hip hop revival, many posse cuts were soon released afterwards all of which featured many more than 5 people (to recapture what the Wu had done as seen on Big L's '8 iz Enuff'), the album and the group was commonly referenced after it's release and before 'Wu Tang Forever', the artists albums released prior to there sophomore album all went platinum.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Wait--are you talking about Wu-Tang's album being influential? My bad--I read that as Biggie revitalizing posse cuts. LOL. Anyways, you still have the same problems: there were posse cuts on both coasts before and after 36 Chambers, and none of them really had the same particular vibe the Wu had on theirs. (How does 8 is Enuff sound like a Wu posse cut?) Rza's production was obviously influential, and Cuban Linx inspired trends that Jay, Nas, and Big all copied--not the debut.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Come on man, it's like a carbon copy of Protect Ya Neck, short verses, eight rappers, no verse is overly long and there's no chorus. Cuban Linx was highly influential, but Nas' and Jay's mafioso albums sounded more like Live and Let Die if anything.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Having short verses and eight rappers isn't a Wu-Tang trademark, though--there were a ton of groups using that format. (CoTC. Brand Nubian.) Their trademark as a group is really with using movie samples (usually from martial arts movies) to kick off songs; martial arts themes in the lyrics; sped up soul samples on the beats; and 5 percenter talk. Jedi Mind Tricks would be a good example of someone blatantly biting The Wu's sound. It's tougher to make a case for Big L
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne I'm pretty sure most people would rather have OutKast drop one last album than have Nas, his rapping is sub=par compared to Andre 3000 and Big Boi who dropped a classic just recently even though they're around the same age and debuted their albums at the same time.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@spideymayne Ready to Die in my opinion was the most impactful album in terms of its impact on reviving the hip hop scene (which I'm not saying was dead, but was in need of revival) and it took away all of the spotlight Nas got when he dropped Illmatic. I don't remember much West Coast rappers doing collaborations with East Coast rappers prior to Ready to Die (correct me if I'm wrong, just basing this on what I've heard) but once Biggie dropped his debut rappers from all coast wanted to collab.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain I'm not disagreeing with you about how successful Ready to Die was. It did influence Nas's direction on his next album, but I'm sure you've heard the "Shark N*s" skit on Cuban Linx that implies Biggie's album cover was a jack of the illmatic cover. LOL. illmatic influenced everyone, fam. Everyone. And there were East/West collabs before RTD--see Ice Cube's entire debut produced by the Bomb Squad, for example, or his collabs with Kane.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne I know there were East Coast collabs before Biggie, but during that '92-'94 stint there weren't many. Yes, Illmatic's influence is unquestionable, but it had/has nothing on Ready to Die's, I still see current mainstream hip hop artists citing that album and just recently Monica remixed 'Who Shot Ya'. I know ElZhi dropped that Illmatic mixtape (all time favorite), but nobody in the mainstream, as far as I've heard in this decade has mentioned Illmatic.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain An album being a classic and an album being a game-changer are two different things. The odds of someone not liking Ready to Die are about as rare as...well, someone not liking illmatic. LOL. Many people have paid tribute to Biggie, but what did RTD specifically do for rap music that no one else did at the time? There aren't any posse cuts on RTD, fam. Hell, there are barely guest verses.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Yeah, I meant 36 Chambers btw. I agree that there is a difference between an album being a classic and a game changer (Cam'Ron's early 2000's material - game changer, De La Soul is Dead - classic). Ready to Die was both, it was a game changer because it was one of the first albums that had singles that could dominate the Billboard 100 ('Juicy' and 'Big Poppa') and also have tracks like 'The What' and 'Suicidal Thoughts' that kept fans of hardcore rap happy.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain I think we both agree that RTD was great--I'm just still not hearing how, specifically, it did something that other albums didn't do. What you're attributing to Ready to Die (balancing hardcore and pop tracks) had been done as early as 1984 with Run DMC's "Raising Hell"--a game-changing album for that very reason. What did that album do that Dr. Dre hadn't done in 1992? Life After Death, despite being inferior to RTD, was really Biggie's game-changing album.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Illmatic did the same in copying Paid in Full's formula (10 tracks, etc) but like Raising Hell it was an album released in the decade prior and we're talking about the '90s. The Chronic was on the West Coast and it's lead singles sounded very much like the songs on it's album, whilst 'the contrast in production and song quality on Ready to Die's singles and album tracks is very large. 'Juicy' sounds nothing like 'Gimme The Loot' unless we're talking about the lyrics.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain I dunno if the pop songs on RTD are that far removed from the hardcore songs. Sampling Mtume and The Isley Brothers is way less extreme than sampling Diana Ross (i.e. Mo Money, Mo Problems). Puffy widened the gap in pop sampling by making the radio songs on LAD super poppish and the hardcore songs super hardcore (ie using Premier). This is the formula still widely used today--why most rap radio songs are super pop. That's also why LAD is way less cohesive than RTD.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne This formula used on Ready to Die is still used on many mainstream albums today were the singles are very much pop-orientated and the songs on the album differ (just take a look at Young Jeezy or Gucci Mane's albums). The lead singles on Illmatic and many other albums of the early '90s sounded very much like the other songs.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@spideymayne Illmatic certainly was a game changer and it's influence can be witnessed on Ready to Die, but it just doesn't have the impact and influence Ready to Die had on '90s hip hop. Ready to Die alone made Bad Boy records the powerhouse that it was in the '90s and what it is 'til this day.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Nobody wants to admit it, but Outkast functions best as a group. Andre's skill as an emcee is highlighted, not limited, by the talents of the people around him. He can shine on an 8-bar or a 16-bar verse, but so can Nas, who also influenced rap's legends--Biggie's album cover and Pac conceptually (Me and My Girlfriend).
Meth got Biggie on The What. Jay matched Big on Brooklyn's Finest. Nobody got Nas on anything from 1992-1996. What legend has Andre outshined or influenced?
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne OutKast/Andre influenced the whole region of the South. Andre got UGK on International Player's Anthem. He outshone Goodie Mob and Cee-Lo Green on almost all the tracks they were featured on together. He outshone Raekwon on Royal Flush. His verse on 'Dedication to My Ex' was better than Nas' perfomance on 'Nasty'. Kool G Rap had Nas on 'Fast Life'. Ghostface Killah had Nas on 'Verbal Intercourse'. AZ had Nas on 'Life's A Bitch' which was probably the perfomance of Illmatic.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain First of all, LOL @ any of those cats outshining Nas on any of those songs you named--especially Verbal Intercourse, which is easily one of the best verses of the 90s. I personally never thought AZ got Nas on anything, and it's sure as hell not the best verse on that album (or even that song). It's pointless to argue any of that, though, because we have completely different opinions on what we value in an emcee. But Verbal Intercourse, man? Come on.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Nas' verse was super tight on 'Verbal Intercourse', used to be my favorite actually, but after years of maturing I have to say Face came hardest on that track, with Nas second and Raekwon way back in third when it comes to ranking those veres in my opinion.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Metacritic scores don't mean a lot to me, either. Half of those reviewers are completely clueless when it comes to hip-hop. Remember when The Source gave Soul on Ice 2.5 mics? Or when Rolling Stone said De la Soul is Dead sucked?
Matter of fact, have you ever checked a Rolling Stone stone greatest albums of all time list? Rap is barely represented beyond a few awful Eminem albums. Last one I saw, RD placed at like 400 out of 500. LOL. It was a joke.
spideymayne 1 month ago
@spideymayne Put Nas up against Dre from '96 to '98, G Rap in '92, Ghostface in '00 Rakim '87 to '90 and Ice from '90 and '92 and he'd lose (not undermining the fact that Nas was superb during that era).
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Re: Nas: find me some better verses from any of those cats better than Street Dreams; Street Dreams Remix; I Gave You Power; Shootouts; or Take it in Blood. You named like 5 rappers in my personal top 10, and none of them are seeing what Nas did in 1996 alone. He philosophizes like Rakim; has the content of an Ice Cube; tells amazing stories (Slick Rick/G. Rap) with insane imagery and usually an interesting use of metaphor (Ghost). That's why he's the GOAT.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Dre's verse on 'Synthesizer', Ghostface's verse on 'Verbal Intercourse', Dre's verse on 'Da Art Of Storytelling Pt. 2', Dre's verse on 'Chonkyfire', Rakim's verses on 'Microphone Fiend'. All of those were in my opinion on par (maybe slightly less) with those Nas verses, but these aren't the best verses I've ever heard, neither were those that I mentioned for Dre his best. Ghost in 2000 was invicible, Dre would have outshone any East/West/South coast rapper during his prime.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@spideymayne Andre 3000's group work is better than Nas' solo stuff. His best verses easily outshine the best Nas verses I've heard, his voice is unique, he's managed to crossover to mainstream fans whilst still getting love from undergound/indie rap fans. Released four undisputable classic albums, constantly outshining Big Boi and can make hits as shown by his most recent collaboration with Lil Wayne and Lloyd.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Re: Andre: I understand that you like him better than Nas. Like I said, I personally disagree that he's a better rapper in any single shape or form. To even argue the idea that he's better than Nas, you'd have to first overcome the hurdle of Andre never having a major solo album besides that weird R&B album he did when he decided he didn't want to rap anymore. Hehas a handful of songs rapping by himself. None of them are seeing Nas's core discography. Let's call a deadlock. LOL
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne OutKast's discography is greater than Nas'. His work as OutKast is counted towards his releases aswell, just like KRS One's project as BDP is recognized as his work and Q Tip's work as A Tribe Called Quest is recognized as his releases.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain Outkast has three classic albums--as a group. To give Andre complete credit for those albums would be to discount Big Boi, Sleepy Brown, Organized Noise, and even the contributions of the Dungeon Family. Notice how The Love Below wasn't on the same planet as their first three albums. Same for Tip--his solo work is nowhere near the work of the first 3 (I'll say 4) Tribe albums. KRS, meanwhile, made two classic solo albums (Boom Bap and his s/t). Andre never has.
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne Not discrediting anyone of their involvements in OutKast's albums but I think it's pretty much accepted that Dre was the star of the first three of OutKast's FOUR classic albums and his perfomances on them are greater than that of Nas' best albums (except Illmatic).
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain 1) Stankonia is not a classic, fam. It's great, but there are some serious missteps on that album. It is one of the best albums of the 2000s, tho.
2) Dre was the star of Outkast in the same way that Paul McCartney was the "star" of The Beatles--he's the crowd favorite. But like I explained before, he was one component of a formula. What evidence do you have that he'd make a classic solo album besides his being a good rapper?
spideymayne 2 months ago
@spideymayne You can't say it's not a classic because you don't like it, one person not liking an album puts them as an outlier when there are millions of people that meet that album with such acclaim. Stankonia has a metacritic score of 95, 2 more than the trailing hip hop album Madvillainy. It's a classic album, evven if you don't like it.
KryptonDaVillain 2 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain I like all of those verses and songs--I just don't think they're on the level of those Nas songs. It's cool, though. You obviously have good taste and know your hip-hop--we just won't see eye-to-eye on this. LOL. I'll say this, though: Stankonia isn't a classic because it's not even on the level of the 3 classics before it. It's a great album--just not as good as any album I'd consider classic (i.e. Cube's first three, Reasonable Doubt, 36 Chambers, illmatic, etc.)
spideymayne 1 month ago
@spideymayne Agreed, Stankonia isn't on par with Aquemini or ATLiens, but neither is 'Raising Hell' which is so dated, yet is considered a classic, lol. Stankonia's influence is evident in Kanye's release My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, both which are - in my opinion - the most artistic and expiremntal hip hop albums of all time. I don't refer to reviewers like Rolling Stones magazine and Pitchfork when it comes to hip hop, but yeah, the list was bad, but atleast hip hop albums were included.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain Great comments. In terms of quality, tho? Hell yeah Stankonia is seeing Raising Hell. But...-but-...Raising Hell is one of the most important albums in rap history. Stankonia did some impressive things, and it's definitely a unique album, but there wouldn't be an Outkast or Kanye or Nas without that album making the impact it did.
spideymayne 1 month ago
@spideymayne Can't disagree there at all, but you were holding Stankonia back from being called a classic because it wasn't up there with the powerhouses Reasonable Doubt and Illmatic. Reasonable Doubt wasn't nearly as innovative as Enter the 36 Chambers, nor was it a big a game changer as Illmatic was and it didn't influence/impact no other rapper but Jay Z himself and the direction he'd take.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@spideymayne If we're saying an album is classic just in terms of quality of music, tho, that opens the floodgates for a -lot- of good hip-hop to be considered classic. My question is this: what should the criteria be for an album to be considered classic? I don't think it can just be musical quality (but the quality should be high). What about musical innovations? Influence?
spideymayne 1 month ago
@spideymayne Influence certainly, musical innovations, the impact it had on the artists career and music and the respect the albums gained outside it's genre also helps, but is not key (however, I see this distinguishing underground classics from general classic albums i.e, Non Phixion's - The Future is Now which many consider and underground classic and Madvillainy which had it not been for the acclaim it garnered from listeners of other genres would of remained an underground classic).
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@spideymayne You also have to respect that Stankonia was released in the same year Eminem relezsed The Marshall Marthers LP (which to date has sold about 20 million records) and still received so much praise and publicity, it certainly was musically innovative because I don't think Rolling Stones ever treated an hip hop album with such respect before it and after.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain Can't disagree with any of that--especially the part about Reasonable Doubt. You're right: it wasn't a game changer and didn't bring anything new to the table. And yet, the music is still great enough to consider it a classic. Point taken.
Tell you what: I'm willing to call Stankonia a classic if you can agree that illmatic deserves its status. Fair?
spideymayne 1 month ago
@spideymayne Fair. Illmatic was extremely innovative.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
andre 3000 was never called great until his verse on player's anthem came out. then all of a sudden he was top 5. he's good but as a rapper is definately not nicer than nas is. i don't even know he got as revered as he is by some. and rolling stone has given albums that are far better than stankonia less praise, so that shouldn't call for automatic respect.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm What you said about Stankonia is largely due to it's crossover appeal. I don't even consider it to be OutKast's third best release, that I give to Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, but I'm able to accept it was their second most important album.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm With some artists it takes a break for people to realize how great they were and this was no different with Dre. After the immensely popular 'Hey Ya' people dug deeper into OutKast's work and then finally did they truly appreciate how great a rapper Dre is. His verse on 'Synthesizer' - in my opinion, is better than any verse Nas has dropped and his voice, lyricism and poetic technique (yes, I deem him a poet) is greater than Nas'.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
voice i would say they are even, depending on the track. flow i'd give to andre, yeah. lyricism and poetic technique? no sir. synthesizer was dope. nas' verse on last words i'd say is better than that with ease though. if dre was ever not appreciated, he's making up for it now.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm Sorry I forgot you were the biggest Nas stan on YouTube. You're telling me a verse from Nas on that lame-ass album holds up to 'Synthesizer'..? Come on man, get a hold of yourself.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
the album was bad, but last words and a few other were dope. funny thing is, if andre 3000 spit the last words verse you'd think it was golden. just because and album isn't great doesn't mean one verse can't be better than another. instead of calling me a stan, break down how it was better.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm No, I've had discussions like this with you before about Kool Keith, but you'd often discredit everything I said with stuff like ''pseudo nonsense..'' or ''Nas' verses are better because nobody talks about how Keith's verses are..'' etc. I can bring any Dre verse to the table and tell you how it was better than Nas' verse on that song.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
well thats not a good point, because andre is a legit emcee. explain how it's better. they're very comparable versesdope concepts). but you love abstract art on wax. but at least andre is reasonably abstract, unlike a shark/croco-surgeon i know.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm And you like one hit wonders like Nas. Dre's second verse on Elevator uses allegory perfectly to talk about how his recent stardom (from the South that is) has affected him. Dre's verbal imagery is immaculate in this verse and I've yet to hear a Nas verse that good.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
big boi was better than dre on elevators though. dre was good on that though. he was better on synthesizer than on elevators. i'd put the last verse on one love over dre on elevators easily. like i said, dre is definitively legit, just not that nice.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm I'd put Dre's first verse on Aquemini over Nas' last verse on One Love and his renowned (although very overrated) verse on Return of the G over Nas' last verse on One Love. The best Nas verse I've heard was his first on Memory Lane and that I still don't think is in Synthesizer or Chonkyfire's league.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
those are dre's best verses though. i can understand those, but not synthesizer or elevators. lol
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
and no to chonkyfire's league. lol
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm I didn't mean to use the term 'league'. Have you heard Chonkyfire? Or are you just reading the lyrics? Dre's verses sound a lot better when listened to rather than recited. This may be why you underrate Synthesizer. The issues he decided to come across in his verse on Synthesizer are a still relevant to this day.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
i have heard all of outkasts shit up till stankonia. still havent heard SB/LB fully and don't know if i want to. i don't read lyrics of sites because usually lyric sites have the lyrics wrong. aquemini is a better performance than synthesizer. so is last words, to me anyway. but i would put andre's flow above nas' and that's about it.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm You'd also have to put him above Nas in lyricism and his use of metaphors and alliteration (I can name a bunch of songs which he does so). He also uses poetical devices which makes him more of an complete artist when compared to Nas.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
overall as a lyricist, i wouldn't say that. but yeah nas doesn't use metaphors that much. but overall he knows how to be affective with inagery without an abundance of similies and metaphors.
lots of rappers have used alliteration, so do some nursery rhymes. lol
oh and mos def's verse on theive's in the night > any nas or dre verse.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm That Mos Def verse happens to be one of my favorite of all time, so yeah, I'd agree with that, though it's probably not even the very best on the album (cause it's that good an album). One thing I've forgotten to say is that Andre is the more consistent of the two as well. His verse on Royal Flush has been one of the most talked about of the past couple years.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
andre is more conistent in what way? outkast's beat choice is/was better, and that's about it.
his verse on royal flush is good, queens get the money is better in my opinion.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@RelaxednCaIm He's remained at the top of his game in every guest appearance, on numerous occasions outshining the other features. I know a case to back up Nas is that he's at least been releasing albums, and it's much harder to release an album of 10+ songs and remain consistently good on the mic, but I don't think any of his albums from Hip Hop is Dead to his last collaboration with Damian have a good a verse as Royal Flush or International Players Anthem.
KryptonDaVillain 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain
well i'd put the music for life over IPA, and queens get the money over royal flush. i guess it's just me.
RelaxednCaIm 1 month ago
@KryptonDaVillain You gotta be fuckin with me, right? Haha, fuck outta here...
RuthIessVillain 5 months ago
@RuthIessVillain Nigga, you gay - I bet you masturbate to the Illmatic cover.
KryptonDaVillain 5 months ago
@KryptonDaVillain
Who cares, this song is awesome. Overrated or not.
jelloman17 4 months ago
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jacobladders 4 months ago
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Nubia718 6 months ago
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ChicaGOrilla4CHN 6 months ago
this is a jam, is there really no album out that has this stuff on there?
JQmusical 7 months ago
@JQmusical look up nas pre-illmatic demo
Professionale720 6 months ago
halie sellasie tell em nas.....a real king off David
tafari12g 7 months ago
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tafari12g 7 months ago
hip hop needs nas back
AlexJamesLaBore 7 months ago
"I see me as halie sellasie in my kingdom sippin aste spumante"
Gzaiire 7 months ago
this song is incredible... hell, Nas in general is Incredible... Greatest MC To Ever Hold a Mic IMO...
tiger695 7 months ago 3
Fuck those three people who dont like this track. They're probably made cause they didn't think of the it first.
organica212 7 months ago
Love the vinyl quality
HardcoreManiac1 8 months ago
i love this shit
mnymatt 8 months ago
@mnymatt i love the fact that none of his songs have anything in common he mixes shit up
mnymatt 8 months ago
so glad i grew up in the 90s.
Dawn0564 8 months ago 14
@Dawn0564 So sad I was born in 1991:/
Right as Nas started, I was born
ThumbsUpMike 2 months ago
@ThumbsUpMike Shit i was born a year after and grew up on his shit ever since...i remember hearing it aint hard to tell a few times when it was actually on the radio and things like that..my memory is that deep! one day people gon realize nas aint no regular rapper..
YoUnGSpaCeLY92 2 months ago
@YoUnGSpaCeLY92 it took me to my teen years to discover nas cuz mtv would only promote lil wayne:/ im proud that i always hated lil wayne, never liked his music lol
but ever since i discovered Nas hes always been my favorite rapper and emcee, even over rakim
ThumbsUpMike 2 months ago
Did he ever actually finish this song? Judging from how long the music runs on at the end it looks like he intended to add in more lyrics.
RealRapSongs 8 months ago
You just made my iPod that much more awesome lol thanks for the download
HipHopLiztener 8 months ago
This needs to be on the next Lost Tapes for sure.
HS32153 8 months ago
@HS32153
There isn't a reason for it to be though. It is not lost, it is on his demo tape. I have it and it is awesome, but it would be awesome if he lengthened it :D
jelloman17 4 months ago
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if yall got time check out my video spittin my verse live on NaS's 'Life is Like A Dice Game' classic
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Preciate it..
1CrookedMinds9 8 months ago
how do u rename it
BigMeeks512 9 months ago
ho do you put this on itunes...???
BigMeeks512 9 months ago
Big Ups Mann this is for the real NAS fans maan
BigMeeks512 9 months ago
Happy April 20th! Peace and Love
TheDueI 9 months ago