Regarding question of compensation for losses in ww2 from Japan. You will find the best answer after watching a few gangster movies. You will probably learn fast that when gangsters negotiating on the table, only the one with power has the right to demand something. If not, you are asking for humiliation. Same thing happened to Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, and the list goes on. I remember when I was young I read an article by PM of Singapore demanding the same thing. He got nothing!
@mrshyushyu, Agree that Japan is an aggressive, dangerous country that has to be closely watched out for based on its past record of the sneaky attack of pearl harbor on 12/7/1941 ...
Early 1950s , Japan and most of the allied nations signed a peace treaty in San Francisco (USSR refused to sign), it is called the "San Francisco Peace Treaty". The treaty was signed by Chiang's Taiwan Government on behalf of China. Chiang never asked for anything in that treaty (His diary revealed that he asked a Japanese general to help him retake China, in secrecy). Anywhere, I believe that treaty that Chiang government signed (China portion) is not valid.
Early 1950s , Japan and most of the allied nations signed a peace treaty in San Francisco (USSR refused to sign), it is called the "San Francisco Peace Treaty". The treaty was signed by Chiang's Taiwan Government on behalf of China. Chiang never asked for anything in that treaty (His diary revealed that he asked a Japanese general to help him retake China, in secrecy). Anywhere, I believe that treaty that Chiang government signed (China portion) is not valid.
Early 1950s , Japan and most of the allied nations signed a peace treaty in San Francisco (USSR refused to sign), it is called the "San Francisco Peace Treaty". The treaty was signed by Chiang's Taiwan Government on behalf of China. Chiang never asked for anything in that treaty (His diary revealed that he asked a Japanese general to help him retake China, in secrecy). Anywhere, I believe that treaty that Chiang government signed (China portion) is not valid.
The reason that the “San Francisco Peace Treaty” is invalid because after October, 1949, the Chinese Communist not only had taken actual control of all over China except Taiwan (Moreover, Taiwan was part of Japan during WW2, Japan signing peace treaty with Taiwan is like Japan signing treaty with itself, a joke), and also declared the formation of the new government of PRC. I believe PRC has the sole valid power to sign any treaty on behalf of China. PRC. not ROC.
The reason that the “San Francisco Peace Treaty” is invalid because after October, 1949, the Chinese Communist not only had taken actual control of all over China except Taiwan (Moreover, Taiwan was part of Japan during WW2, Japan signing peace treaty with Taiwan is like Japan signing treaty with itself, a joke), and also declared the formation of the new government of PRC. Only PRC has the sole legal power to sign any treaty on behalf of China. PRC, not ROC.
@mrshyushyu When Japan surrendered in WW2, its Emperor declared that Japan the “Potsdam Declaration”, in it, it spelled out that other than the 4 main big islands, the allied nations shall have the sole power to decide which small islands shall be kept by Japan, Japan has no say which small island it could keep. So, any future Sino/Japan peace treaty, PRC China, not Japan, has the right to decide the ownership of all small islands, including islands in Okinawa.
Can someone translated the below English comments on China/Japan Treaty into Chinese, so that all Chinese can understand the issue, including Chines government, and the arguements could be used in the future to demand war compensation and claim disputed islands. Thank you. 30 million chineses who died in WW2 should not be died for nothing. The full text of the Potsdam Declaration is on internet.
@mrshyushyu The esential term in the "Potsdam Declaration" in which Japan accepted is paragraph 8. it stated:
" The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine. ".
In here, the "we" means to the countrymen of USA, China, UK ( Potsdam Declarartion said
"We ..., representing ... our countrymen...")
So, it is clear, Japan has no say on small islans.
One mistake, ROC actually did not sign the 1952 peace "Treaty of San Francisco", but later signed theequivalent peace " Treaty of Taipei " with Japan in 1953, under presure from USA. As you know, PRC and USA were at war in Korea from 1951 to 1953.
@mrshyushyu Just posted some sort of comment on Youtube might just answer your question. Songs like this always ignite many thoughts from audiences. I kind of like it because it shows that people don't forget the war crime done by the Japs in WW2. Same thing the Jews don't want the world to forget what Nazi did to them. Just remember Chinese will only gain respect if China grows stronger. All you have to do is wait for 20 more years; After all the so called Communist old warriors are gone.
An extremely important part of the Modern Chinese history - the 2nd Sino-Japs war and the WW2 - that one shall never and ever forget! Thanks, YLiang1688, for posting.
六十五年前老电影，
《长相思》涵爱国激情，
《凯旋歌》豪迈又动听，
词曲作者令人崇敬，
“老东西”仍然受欢迎。
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因為國共內戰(國民"政府"與蘇俄支持的中國共產黨之爭戰)...使得賠償問題變成國際外交勢力的複雜籌碼...影響國家人民的正當權益非常非常鉅大...
(國共內戰不是黨與黨之戰....是政府軍與黨軍之戰)
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時至今日...這個問題在海峽兩岸似乎成為歷史課本的共同禁忌...
就因如此...中日糾紛也常被情緒性的擴大傷及無辜人民...
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課本外...人權鬥士劉曉波..有文章概括性地淺觸..戰後日本侵略者賠償問題...
文章內..只看到正義被壓制...沒有人民的立場....
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茍利國家生死以
豈因禍福避趨之
(民族英雄林則徐名言)
mrshyushyu 2 months ago
Regarding question of compensation for losses in ww2 from Japan. You will find the best answer after watching a few gangster movies. You will probably learn fast that when gangsters negotiating on the table, only the one with power has the right to demand something. If not, you are asking for humiliation. Same thing happened to Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, and the list goes on. I remember when I was young I read an article by PM of Singapore demanding the same thing. He got nothing!
watcher05er 5 months ago
周璇的歌喉當然美妙,伴唱的男声也不錯啊!
thisisnelson1 6 months ago
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mrshyushyu 8 months ago
angel's voice!
jchien 8 months ago
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mrshyushyu 8 months ago
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mrshyushyu 9 months ago
李鴻章在苦苦哀求下.....仍被恐嚇強迫簽訂"馬關條約"....
今天能聽到周璇唱"凱旋個歌"...若是李老中堂地下有知.....是否"了無遺憾"?
mrshyushyu 11 months ago
中華民國抗日戰爭八年
犧牲了數不盡的英勇戰士
那些悲壯的可歌可泣的歷史
如今有多少同胞記得?
"" "" ''
溪水無情逐落花
人間有情祭忠骨
希望這段血淚悲劇
不會是中華人民共和國的禁忌?
mrshyushyu 11 months ago
當年抗日成功後，真的不應打甚麼內戰啊。應該讓人民用選票決定誰執政.....
catitude235 1 year ago
謝謝你回覆，也多謝你再傳送這首歌的短片讓我欣賞。我之所以對這首歌特別欣賞，除基於旋律動聽、周璇美妙的歌聲外，還欣賞歌詞能鼓舞國人愛國胸懷。記得約三十年前曾到台灣，在遊覽中正紀念堂與國父紀念館期間也曾聽到這首歌，對我而言特別感動。
凱旋歌的填詞人〈范煙橋〉在《花樣的年華》歌曲中寫出「啊！可愛的祖國，幾時我能夠投進你的懷抱，能見那霧消雲散，重見你放出光明」，作者讓我們知道上一代人多麼痛恨戰爭，戰爭令無數人枉死、令無人顛沛流離，生存下來的人都期望國家日漸強大，不再受列強欺侮。
希望每一個中國人拿出真心，為國家做一點事，中國自會日漸強大。
ungkinva 1 year ago
@ungkinva 刚抵松山机场准备往指南山升学时，迎接我们的正是周璇的凯旋歌，振奋不已。后来点唱“花样的年华”，被告知是“禁歌”，令人啼笑皆非。最不值的是周璇这个时代的弱女子竟然被有心人政治化！
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mrshyushyu 1 year ago
@mrshyushyu, Agree that Japan is an aggressive, dangerous country that has to be closely watched out for based on its past record of the sneaky attack of pearl harbor on 12/7/1941 ...
that
yliang1688 1 year ago
請問日本為何要侵略其他國？為何屠殺那麼多無辜的平民？想到被屠殺的同胞，想到我們上一代經歷中日戰爭的苦難，想到為保衛國土而犧牲的軍人，淚水不覺湧了出來！兩岸都寬大為懷不要求日本道歉賠償，但得到甚麼？日本何曾醒覺以前的錯誤？！今天還要爭奪我們的「釣魚台」！
希望年青人多讀歷史，知道國弱才會受外國欺侮，知道有國才有家！
ungkinva 1 year ago 2
@ungkinva
蠻夷畏威而不懷德，而且島國總是要從海上擴展，因為本身土地小。英國建立了多少殖民地？中國是農耕民族，本身特性就不同。
這也是爲什麽明朝幫助屬國高麗打敗日寇后，明朝皇帝并沒有趁勢侵略日本的原因。
22572008 1 year ago
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mrshyushyu 1 year ago
李鴻章在苦苦哀求下....仍被恐嚇強迫簽訂"馬關條約"
今天能聽到周璇唱"凱旋歌"....不知李老中堂是否"了無遺憾"?
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李鴻章在苦苦哀求下....仍被恐嚇強迫簽訂"馬關條約"
今天能聽到周璇唱"凱旋歌"....不知李老先生是否"死能眠目"?
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mrshyushyu 1 year ago
悲壮老电影《长想思》，
激昂《凯旋歌》雪国耻，
六十几年励精图治，
强国富民永不误事，
yliang上载网友支持。
JIANGTG 2 years ago
誰能告訴我:二次大戰後...為何政府沒有為人民向日本侵略者索取應有的賠償?
兩岸執政黨口口聲聲"為人民服務"...這方面真令人失望!!
民進黨對"臺灣慰安婦...釣魚台領土主權問題..."的軟弱態度.也是差勁的!!!
日本說"終戰"..."祭拜神社的戰犯"...."向台海兩岸爭權"....也許是有道理的?!
歷史課本為何也隻字不提???
是誰出賣了人民???
mrshyushyu 2 years ago 4
To @mrshyushyu: The question that 二次大戰後...為何政府沒有為人民向日本侵略者索 取應有的賠償?
You are 100% correct that 兩岸執政黨口口聲聲"為人民服務"...這方面真令人失望!!!!!!
"為人民服務"???????????????????
yliang1688 2 years ago 2
@mrshyushyu
首先日本戰後和德國的情況是不同的，美國選中日本作為太平洋島鏈中重要一環。老蔣的國民黨要依靠美國，之後內戰更自顧不暇，退到臺灣后，1952年在美國主導下被迫簽訂《中日和約》。而共產黨72年和日本建交，田中角榮雖有提及，但日本談判代表高島重提52年和約，連賠償2字都表示異議，最後在周恩來堅持下才同意是中國放棄賠償而不是沒有賠償這回事。
說到底，中國當時的國力根本無法與美蘇對抗，而國共兩黨一起抗日雖然牽制和消滅了日寇陸軍，但加速日本投降的還是美國的2顆原子彈。這樣你應該也能想明白，爲什麽美日是盟友，可是美國永遠不會讓日本入常和擁有核武器的原因。
22572008 1 year ago
@mrshyushyu
Part 1 of 2
Early 1950s , Japan and most of the allied nations signed a peace treaty in San Francisco (USSR refused to sign), it is called the "San Francisco Peace Treaty". The treaty was signed by Chiang's Taiwan Government on behalf of China. Chiang never asked for anything in that treaty (His diary revealed that he asked a Japanese general to help him retake China, in secrecy). Anywhere, I believe that treaty that Chiang government signed (China portion) is not valid.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
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@mrshyushyu
Part 1 of 2
Early 1950s , Japan and most of the allied nations signed a peace treaty in San Francisco (USSR refused to sign), it is called the "San Francisco Peace Treaty". The treaty was signed by Chiang's Taiwan Government on behalf of China. Chiang never asked for anything in that treaty (His diary revealed that he asked a Japanese general to help him retake China, in secrecy). Anywhere, I believe that treaty that Chiang government signed (China portion) is not valid.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu
Part 1 of 2
Early 1950s , Japan and most of the allied nations signed a peace treaty in San Francisco (USSR refused to sign), it is called the "San Francisco Peace Treaty". The treaty was signed by Chiang's Taiwan Government on behalf of China. Chiang never asked for anything in that treaty (His diary revealed that he asked a Japanese general to help him retake China, in secrecy). Anywhere, I believe that treaty that Chiang government signed (China portion) is not valid.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu Part 2 of 2
The reason that the “San Francisco Peace Treaty” is invalid because after October, 1949, the Chinese Communist not only had taken actual control of all over China except Taiwan (Moreover, Taiwan was part of Japan during WW2, Japan signing peace treaty with Taiwan is like Japan signing treaty with itself, a joke), and also declared the formation of the new government of PRC. I believe PRC has the sole valid power to sign any treaty on behalf of China. PRC. not ROC.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu Part 2 of 2
The reason that the “San Francisco Peace Treaty” is invalid because after October, 1949, the Chinese Communist not only had taken actual control of all over China except Taiwan (Moreover, Taiwan was part of Japan during WW2, Japan signing peace treaty with Taiwan is like Japan signing treaty with itself, a joke), and also declared the formation of the new government of PRC. Only PRC has the sole legal power to sign any treaty on behalf of China. PRC, not ROC.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu When Japan surrendered in WW2, its Emperor declared that Japan the “Potsdam Declaration”, in it, it spelled out that other than the 4 main big islands, the allied nations shall have the sole power to decide which small islands shall be kept by Japan, Japan has no say which small island it could keep. So, any future Sino/Japan peace treaty, PRC China, not Japan, has the right to decide the ownership of all small islands, including islands in Okinawa.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu
Can someone translated the below English comments on China/Japan Treaty into Chinese, so that all Chinese can understand the issue, including Chines government, and the arguements could be used in the future to demand war compensation and claim disputed islands. Thank you. 30 million chineses who died in WW2 should not be died for nothing. The full text of the Potsdam Declaration is on internet.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu The esential term in the "Potsdam Declaration" in which Japan accepted is paragraph 8. it stated:
" The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine. ".
In here, the "we" means to the countrymen of USA, China, UK ( Potsdam Declarartion said
"We ..., representing ... our countrymen...")
So, it is clear, Japan has no say on small islans.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu
One mistake, ROC actually did not sign the 1952 peace "Treaty of San Francisco", but later signed theequivalent peace " Treaty of Taipei " with Japan in 1953, under presure from USA. As you know, PRC and USA were at war in Korea from 1951 to 1953.
tantyhayoo 11 months ago
@mrshyushyu 這要問老美，中國再次被他們出賣。
calyang1967 10 months ago
@mrshyushyu Just posted some sort of comment on Youtube might just answer your question. Songs like this always ignite many thoughts from audiences. I kind of like it because it shows that people don't forget the war crime done by the Japs in WW2. Same thing the Jews don't want the world to forget what Nazi did to them. Just remember Chinese will only gain respect if China grows stronger. All you have to do is wait for 20 more years; After all the so called Communist old warriors are gone.
watcher05er 5 months ago
有好久好久再沒有聽到這首歌 以前反攻大陸的時代常常聽到 張祺.... 勞軍團 聽得熱血沸騰
Aric946 2 years ago
非常感謝您對張鳳鳳小姐的佳評.謝謝! 希望有一天也能聽到她重新演唱這首: 曾被周璇唱到舉國轟動的"凱旋歌"
mnmshoes 2 years ago
中華民國抗日戰爭八年
犧牲了數不盡的英勇戰士
那些悲壯的可歌可泣的歷史
如今有多少同胞記得?
""" """"
溪水無情逐落花
人間有情祭忠骨 唉
希望這段血淚悲劇
不會是中華人民共和國的禁忌?
mrshyushyu 2 years ago
往者已矣! 如果沒有內戰, 今日該是如何景象? 歷史的功過如今計較已經太晚了; 在長春四平, 在淮海(徐州.蚌埠)的平原, 埋沒了多少中華民族好兒女? 我為兩岸的同胞欣欣向榮而慶幸, 我也為內戰犧牲的先烈悲痛! 周璇是爸媽和我最喜愛的歌星, 爸媽早已去世. 如今每聽到她的歌, 從心底感覺一陣溫暖, 尤其是凱旋歌, 總會忍不住流淚...
dczhang8211 2 years ago 11
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時值今日仍然有國外勢力要分裂中國。我不否認土共有很多問題，但是現在更認清一點，如果達賴和熱比婭的要求實現，大藏區新疆分裂出去，只怕剩下部份的中國將四面楚歌。也認清老外抨擊中國不是為了中國人民好，而是以此來交換到他們需要的利益。
國與國之間只有永遠的利益，沒有永遠的朋友。至於內戰，同胞打同胞確實痛心，中國人不能老是在外國人的屠刀捅來時才懂得團結。
22572008 1 year ago
@dczhang8211
Same feeling as you. thanks for sharing your thought.
shalanlee 5 months ago
勉懷先列, 繼往開來, Alex 感謝ㄌ
ssebtze 2 years ago
An extremely important part of the Modern Chinese history - the 2nd Sino-Japs war and the WW2 - that one shall never and ever forget! Thanks, YLiang1688, for posting.
cyto10 2 years ago
Yes: Fogive, but Never Forget!
dczhang8211 2 years ago 2