"If you're not born again, you're still dead in your sin." This statement is funny. Where in the Bible this passage found? I thought that is your only own interpretation. Let me ask you some question. Is "born again" only way to be release you from sin? Are Israelite or other servant of God like Moses, Jacob, Abraham etc... are "born again"? If not, based in your definition of "born again" those people are buried from their sin and have no hope for everlasting life. Answer please.
@worldnatsable Passing from death to life (Eph 2:5) is being born again. The NT repeats the analogy several different ways.
Being born again is the consequence of being released from sin. Hell is the only alternative.
Matt. 8:11 makes it clear that OT Saints are born again and in heaven, which is a glaring error in Watchtower teaching.
You told me to "Answer please" and I have. Now, can you answer the question in the video? Are you born again? If not, why not, in light of 1 John 5:1?
The good-news or gospel in Matt. 24:14 says this Good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations then the end will come.
Doesn't it make you glad that Satan's plan to ruin the earth will fail. Jesus Christ by means of the Kingdom will bring in a new heavens & a new earth. God cleansed the earth by a flood & soon this earth again will be cleansed. Christ is King of a new earth
Whether your reward of everlasting life in heaven or living in a paradise earth forever is not a bad reward as far as I am concerned. After all in the 'Lord's Prayer' we pray for 'Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven....' Those millions who prayed during the past 1900 years have the wonderful hope of everlasting life on paradise earth.
It would not make sense to have a kingdom with no subjects, God's Kingdom consists of Jesus Christ & 144,000 co-rulers who will rule over a righteous new earth.
@sharlycupcake You're just trying to change the subject. Those who are not born again are children of the devil and dead in their sin. Clearly, children of the devil will not inherit the earth.
Jehovah's Witnesses that most persons will have the chance of a resurrection to everlasting life here on earth. Paradise was lost due to the sin of Adam & Eve. God's original purpose was for a paradise earth. The ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ made a perfect price. Satan tried to ruin God's purpose but failed.
@Vicwarren711 Does it really make sense that 1900 years and millions of people studying the Bible and no one figured out that not all Christians are going to heaven? I assure you that if there are any new doctrines arising after the conclusion of the Bible, they are false doctrines. Also, I hope you'll attempt to answer my question about Matthew 8:11.
The fact is those scriptures you quote are speaking about those with the heavenly hope. In fact at one stage the brothers back then thought there were two heavenly classes. The message of the New Testament primarily was to gather those of the heavenly hope. It was not until 1035 it was discerned that their was the hope of earthly children of God who would inherit an earthly Paradise earth. In the Lord's prayer we pray for God's Kingdom to come to the earth
you asked about who will the kings and priest rule over read in the NWT rev 5 :9-10 it says they will rule over the earth ,look in the kingdom interliner it says upon the earth the earth other places in rev the nwt translates upon as upon not over !
Being "born again" is not a process you choose like you choose your underwear. It is a privilege of service... and only God chooses these ones because of their prior faithfulness. The words "you must be born again" is not an invitation into heaven, but it merely states a prerequisite that must exist before a person can qualify. He then has to continue faithful til death to recieve his heavenly crown.
I agree that God chooses those for new birth and that all those who are reborn are going to heaven.
However, what are you if you aren't born again. You remain a child of the devil, and dead in your sin. All those who believe Jesus is the Christ are born again (1 John 5:1). Maybe JWs believe a false Jesus is the Christ, and therefore aren't born again.
Did you watch the video, because you didn't answer any of the objections in it? Thanks for your comment. I look forward to our conversation.
Faithful servants of God in pre-Christian times, though not begotten as spiritual sons of God with heavenly hopes, had Gods spirit. (Judg. 6:34; 11:29; 14:6; 2 Sam. 23:2; 2 Tim. 3:16) John the Baptist, for example, was filled with holy spirit; yet he did not go to heaven, for Jesus said of him: A lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.—Matt. 11:11
Also, mankind lives only on earth, since creatures of flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. (1 Cor. 15:50) It is here on earth, then, that the sheep of Jesus parable, including the great crowd, will gain everlasting life. They inherit the kingdom by taking possession of territory subject to the king, Christ Jesus. As spiritual rebirth is an experience only for those who go to heaven and change from fleshly to a divine nature 2 Pet 1:4. Christians not of that class are not born again.
Hi there blueskunk12, my point for mentioning 1 Cor 15:50 was a simple reminder that " flesh" or humans will NOT be in heaven...Humans/mankind belong on the earth....the next part of the scripture tells us that those humans going to heaven must "CHANGE" from a corruptible mortal body to incorruptible spirit body...So heavenly creatures remain in heaven.
So since Jehovah did not create the earth simply for nothing as Isaiah 45:18 points out...we can conclude that humans will continue.
I again ask how you reach that conclusion when it seems to contradict what I posted.
I wonder how do Jehovah's Witnesses know who will go to heaven and how many? From what I see, the 144,000 are males, from the tribes of Israel, and they are all virgins.
Revelation 21 seems to relate. It says there is a new heaven, a new earth, and says:
"Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."
144000not defiling themselves with women and their being virgins would not mean that none of these 144,000 persons had ever been married, for the Scriptures do not forbid persons on earth who are to be joint heirs with Christ to marry. (1Ti 3:2; 4:1, 3) Neither would it imply that all the 144,000 were men, for there is neither male nor female as far as the spiritual relationship of Christs joint heirs is concerned. (Ga 3:28) It means they keep themselves pure.
Your confusing yourself, stick with one question and delve into that...Gal 3:28 tells us specifically that there is no distinction between men and women in a spiritual sense. The apostle writes: You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ . .
@bsp256 Amen brother. Not a good message for the world hu? when we say that prior to regeneration we are the children of the devil, but it is the truth. Keep speaking the truth. I AM BORN-AGAIN OF GOD. 2 Tim 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Quoting Matthew 11:11 does not prove that John the Baptist didn't go to heaven. In fact, you could use the same verse in an attempt to prove that John the Baptist was greater than Jesus.
Jehovah's Witnesses have NO proof that there are ANY of the 144,000 left, or that ANY of them were/are Jehovah's Witnesses, or that no one else will go to Heaven.
In fact, the Bible contradicts the JW's view, saying that the 144,000 are male, Jews, and virgins.
You state that proving who is in heaven now is not the issue, that no one has any proof of who is in heaven now, then seem to contradict yourself and state that John will not be in the heavenly Kingdom.
From reading the text you quoted, I do not reach the same conclusion. In fact, I find myself agreeing with you that who is in Heaven is not the issue and that we cannot know who is in Heaven.
So I have to wonder why you keep insisting that John the Baptist won't be in Heaven.
I can only go by what the bible says,.It tells us that John did NOT go to heaven, it tells us that 12 apostles did....I personally dont have any inside scoop as to who will go to heaven or not except by what the bible says. No contradictions
@blueskunk12 Christ was the FIRST human resurrected to heaven, no one before Jesus ever went to heaven. Acts 26:23
the apostles were in the New covenant thus were invited to be co-rulers with Christ in heaven, as that is where he is.... at pentecost 33 ce when holy spirit was given. 10 days after Christ ascended to heaven.
The new covenant arrangement is for spirit begotten Christian only..as they will be going to heaven.
Jesus, a firstfruit, being actually the first firstfruits to God. (1Co 15:20, 23; 1Pe 3:18) The faithful followers of Jesus Christ, his spiritual brothers, are also a firstfruits to God, but not the primary firstfruits, being similar to the second grain crop, the wheat, which was presented to Jehovah on the day of Pentecost. They number 144,000 and are called the ones bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb and certain firstfruits of his creatures"Re 14:1-4; Jas 1:18
What does Acts 26:23 say to you? To me it says this:
KJV-That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles
And again, being the first to rise from the dead does not mean he was the first to go to Heaven. In my opinion, you're reading things into the passage that simply are not there, simply because that's what you believe.
Think about this,....there were many examples in the bible of Jesus and the apostles raising the dead. Lazarus was one.... Did these ones go to heaven? So being that there were others who were raised from the dead that Jesus raised himself....what was so different that Jesus was said to be the FIRST to rise from the dead. Can you answer that?
You yourself admitted that we don't know who is in Heaven. That we can't know. And I said I agree with you. So I don't understand why you seem to be going back on that.
As for the 144,000, my opinion is that it actually doesn't matter. I've only been discussing it with you because I disagree with the JW's position about it.
JW's seem to make a HUGE deal out of it, when I personally think it's obsessing over disputable matters (Romans 14:1).
Sorry did I say he ascended 10 days later, hmmm.. I meant the following.
Christ died on nisan 14 and was dead for most of 3 days,resurrected on the 3rd day, he stay on the earth for 40 days and then acsended up to heaven never to come back to earth... and then10 days after his ascension to heaven is when Pentecost 33 ce took place in which holy spirit was poured out.for a group of people.
And you have yet to prove that John the Baptist did not go to heaven. All you've done so far is state your personal opinion that John did not go to heaven.
If you are unable to offer any proof, I can only conclude that the issue is irrelevant.
The bible proves that Jesus was the first to be resurrected from the dead and go to heaven, this obviously means that John the baptist and many others who died before Christ, did not go to heaven, if Christ was the FIRST.....Matt 11:11 harmonizes and does not contradict...we like that.
Questioning is good, the bible tells us to question, to keep searching and to keep praying for answers.,God loves all of us....however, we must be observant and honest with ourselves. The answer may come and we may not like it....are we going to follow the truth of Gods word or our own traditions? Are we going accept the majorities view on that broad and spacious road or are we going to go down that cramped road where there is ridicule and contempt but it leads us to life? Choices
As for your question, "Are we going to follow God's word or our own traditions?", I have the same question for you and for all Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here are some more of my questions.
Why do you stick with beliefs that are not Biblical? Why do you have your own Bible that contradicts every other version?
Do you believe that God allowed Mankind to use a corrupt Bible for 2,000 years? If Jesus chose the JW's as the most correct in 1917, why do you not teach what you did in 1917?
I apologize for asking so many questions at once. Maybe we can focus on one issue at a time, starting with the 144,000.
My concern, as I said before, is that the 144,000 speak of males who are Jews and virgins, according to Scripture.
I do not see where it says they will be the only ones in heaven. I do not see where it says that people (male or female) of other races will be in the 144,000.
I hope we can focus on this topic awhile so that we do not scatter our attention.
Rev 14:4 signifies moral and spiritual cleaness because as I showed you through scripture before there are no distinction in heaven and marriage was not forbidden so it could not mean virginity in a fleshy way...so it must mean spiritual and moral cleaness like a virgin, Also, it can not be fleshly Israel/jews because they were rejected by God...so again it refers to spiritual Israel.
I do not claim any religion. I have not found a Church that teaches what I believe is the truth. I do not see anywhere where Jesus says to find a Religion. From reading the Bible, all I can find is that it says to find and follow God.
Your take of the 144,000 seems contradictory. JW's believe that the 144,000 is literal, but then seem to claim that everything else about it is not literal.
Regarding the 144000, I look at the big picture and what the bible says throughout....for instance I ask myself questions like...Did God orginally make man to go to heaven? or If everyone goes to heaven, what was the purpose for the earth? or If the anointed are said to be kings, priest and co-rulers with Jesus. Who will they rule over if all good people go to heaven? I have lots and lots of questions and they have to harmonize with scripture for me to feel it true.
If you'd like to talk with me further, I suggest you send me a PM outlining your major beliefs. I will respond with mine. Then we can go on from there.
I see no reason to quibble here over things that I believe are irrelevant, simply because I disagree with your beliefs.
I will respond to you here one more time. And repeat my request. If you wish to speak to me further of these issues, please send me a PM.
My Dad was a JW in 1975. I assume he was a JW for a few years before and a few years after. Before 1975 I do not remember, and after 1975 I remember men in suits driving up to our house in plain sedans to talk with my parents.
1) I believe that JW's focus on issues that are irrelevant and ignore everything that is relevant.
2) JW's seem to believe that they're the only ones with the Truth, so everyone who disagrees is wrong, because they're the only ones with the Truth.
If you wish to discuss spiritual beliefs, please send me a PM. Otherwise, I will assume we have reached an impasse and that there is no further reason to speak with you.
babafoto said, "born again,borne by spirit, and borne by water means what?
explain!"
Sorry for erasing your comment.
Born again means:
We weren't born all right from our mothers. We were born sinners and dead in our sin. We need to be reborn. When we believe in Jesus (John 3:16), the Holy Spirit makes us spiritually alive (Eph 2).
We're born once physically, and we're born again spiritually. Once we're spiritually alive, we're a new creature (2 cor. 5:17) with new desires to please God.
hi i'm I'm 16 years old I don't concider myself a witness but I'm raised one mixed with my own ideas and perception as many, you see they don't believe in heaven or hell, biblical researchers, who aren't witness say that the word spirit means ourself they believe in resurrection and no it's not if you good or just follow who your heart condition, it's if god see's you over anything else, the term born again is miss used god and jesus are not the same person the merely work together.
"Born again" comes from the fact that we were born dead in our sins (Eph 2:1), and must be reborn (John 3:3). If you're not born again, you are still dead in your sins.
Do you believe you were born dead in your sins? Are you still dead in your sins? If not, what happened, and what do you call it?
No one has lived right. If you've ever lied, stolen, or looked at someone with lust, you're a lying, thieving, adulterer at heart. You've broken God's law, and just like any guilty criminal, you must be punished.
Dear JAKEV25 if you were truly born again you could never ever belong to the wt org, your spirit would tell you that what they teach is not THE TRUTH!!
That's your opinion....You're entitled...Maybe you can explain to Jesus why you insist on persecuting those that have accepted Him as their Lord and Saviour?????????
I am a JW. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour. I confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is the Messiah...That He is the Son of the living God...that He came to Earth to preach the Good News about God's coming Kingdom and to be a ransom sacrifice to all mankind. He was tortured...murdered....resurrected by God and now sits at God's right hand awaiting the Day of Jehovah.
Are you born again? If you are did I misquote the Watchtower article at the beginning?
If you're not born again, why not? Everyone who believes Jesus is the Messiah is born of God (1 John 5:1). What is your theory about how you can believe Jesus is the Messiah, but not be born again?
Being born again isn't a pagan tradition. It's clear from the Bible that you must pass from death to life. This process is called being born again. Please check my verses and tell me where I'm wrong.
Being born again is not the realm of the majority of true Christians. The Bible teaches that while, yes, a minority of true Christians would indeed become adopted as sons of God by holy spirit, it also teaches that this is only for those that are to be part of the 144,000 spiritual Jews, the anointed of God. The hope for all of mankind is everlasting life on a paradise earth, and this hope is based on Jesus' ransom sacrifice. There's no need for earthly subjects of God's Kingdom to be born again
since they are to survive the great tribulation and be blessed with living forever in the paradise earth. When Jesus talked about being born again THIS WAS A BRAND NEW TEACHING because the Hebrew scriptures never mention once about anyone going to heaven; many of the faithful Witnesses of Jehovah of old looked forward to our day and living in the peaceful earthly paradise (Ps. 37). The first disciples were anointed to be kings and priests with Jesus, ultimately the number reaching 144,000.
That, and ONLY THAT, is the reason why Jesus instructed his apostles and disciples were told of the need for being truly born again, begotten by spirit for the purpose of ruling with Christ in heaven. And even then, it was not a universal event! Only those directly adopted by God, at His time, and thru His choice. Those that ARE born again know it WITHOUT A DOUBT. Still, the cap on those being born again is 144K. The rest would have to be true Christians with an earthly hope.
Thanks for your comment. Why are you excepted from 1 John 5:1? Aren't you included in "everyone who believes Jesus is the Messiah"? If you know you're not born again, doesn't this indicate a problem with your doctine? If you're not born again, you're spiritually dead (Eph 2:1, Romans 8, Col 2:13, etc). The spiritually dead don't live in paradise on earth.
I know for certain I am born again, and going to heaven (Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:13).
Wrong. But it's OK. You just don't know any better. Your understanding of the Bible is less than minimal. Satan believes Jesus is the Messiah. Does that mean HE'S automatically going to be saved by being born again? No. Jesus himself said that those entering the heavenly kingdom would be indeed, a "little flock". Those that live forever on earth have no need of being born again, since those who ARE, are chosen by God to fill in the 144,00 heavenly co-rulers with Christ.
The demons don't have a repentant belief in Jesus. 1 John 5:1 is describing a repentant belief. Again, why are you excepted?
Do you believe those living on paradise earth will be spiritually dead, children of the devil? You must be born into God's family, regardless of where you believe you'll spend eternity. You must be raised from the dead. How do you propose this will happen?
I would recommend you humbly search the Scripture to figure this out. Your eternity depends on it.
You accuse me of lying and false accusations, but you refuse to respond to the verses. "EVERYONE who believes Jesus is the Messiah is born of God" (1 John 5:1, NWT). Why aren't you born of God? If you're not born of God, you are still dead in your sin. Don't believe me. Read the Bible.
You will die in your sins if you don't believe Jesus is the one He claims to be-John 8:24. One of us is wrong about who Jesus is. But whoever has the proper understanding of who Jesus is and has repented and put their faith in Him must be born again (1 John 5:1). Since you aren't born again, it's evident that you don't have a proper understanding of who Jesus is.
Take a look at my other video "How Can Jesus Be God If No One Has Seen God?" I'd love to hear a challenging response from a JW.
I just told you I have repented of my sin and I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour...I am sorry that is not enough for you...maybe you should take it up with the Lord?
Guy....your theology is wacked....I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and saviour...I confess with my mouth that He was sent by God and came of His own free will to be a ransom sacrifice for humanity...He preached the Good News of His Father's coming Kingdom, He was arresested, tortured, murdered and resurrected by God and now sits at God's right hand awaiting the Great day of Jehovah.....
Are you born again, or are you dead in your sins? You don't have to win this little debate with me. You need to figure this out for yourself. Have you read Ephesians 2:1, Colossians 2:13, and Romans 8?
Who said anything about pagan beliefs? All I did is give you some verses to look up. Do you believe the Bible is pagan--even the NWT? Are you basing your beliefs on the Watchtower or on the Bible? Are you afraid that the Watchtower and the Bible conflict? If they did conflict, what would you do?
I would recommend that if that ever happened that you choose the Bible, as it is inspired (2 Tim 3:16); by their own admission, the WT is not (Awake! March 22, 1993, p.4).
Bsp256, I don't pretend to be an expert on the Bible, but think for a second, is it even reasonable to believe that "all christians believing in Jesus", would be going to heaven? What would be the purpose of that? What will you do there? The Bible says God already has many Angels to keep him company there. Isn't it more reasonable to believe that God will eventually make good on his promise to "fill the earth with perect people", just as he said to Adam?
Now, answer this honestly, ... If you had a choice, go to heaven and do who knows what, or live on earth, the place where meant to be, where as a human, you are designed to live. An earth that is finally made a paradise, perfect health, perfect food, perfect everything, ... Which would you choose?
You're missing the point. Whether it's heaven or paradise on earth, I'll be happy. However, if you're spiritually dead, you'll be going to neither. The spiritually dead go to hell. You were born dead in your sin (Eph 2:1). You must be raised from the dead to life. That is called being born again. You're either a child of God or a child of the devil. Why aren't you born again in light of 1 John 5:1? Have you even read it? Doesn't some JW have some response or explanation?
I'm not a witness, I was born and raised as a Baptist, and I always assumed that since I was a Jesus believing Christian I was also "born again"!
So my sincere question is, I do believe in Jesus, ... And may I add, with all my heart, but you're saying, "that's not enough", is that right? What must I do to be born again? (sounds familiar, eh?)
Sorry. I assumed you were a JW. I never said believing in Jesus isn't enough. There are dozens if not hundreds of verses that say it is. However, it's not just a head belief, but a life-changing belief. The demons have merely a head belief (James 2:19). A better way to put it is repentance and faith in Jesus (Mark 1:15).
So, if "repentance and faith in Jesus (Mark 1:15)" is required for salvation, what's wrong with what the JW's are doing? They believe in Jesus, they have faith in his sin atoning blood, they are repentant, (a person must repent of past sins before becoming Baptized as a JW) they are known for their high moral standards. So, what's the problem, why are the not viewed as "saved Christians".?
Jesus said He is the I AM (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14). There is only one God, and Jesus is Him. You have to have a proper understanding of who Jesus is to be saved (John 8:24). The faith they have isn't as important as the object of their faith. By their own admission they're not born again, which is necessary. No one can live a good enough life to get to heaven. We're all sinners, and we need to be saved.
If the Jesus you believe in can't make you born again, you're going to hell for eternity to pay for every lie you've ever told, and every time you've ever committed adultery.
We are born spiritually dead (Eph. 2:1), and enemies of God (Col. 1:21). When God brings us to life spiritually, this is called being born again. If you're not born again you are still spiritually dead, and you will go to hell.
God saves you when you repent from your sin, and put your faith in Jesus alone (Mark 1:15). Repentance is a gift from God (2 Tim 2:25) and so is faith (Eph 2:8-9).
Take a look at John 1:12-13, Romans 8, Colossians 2:13, 1 Cor. 15:22.
Hey man its me again, so explain your logic, you are saying that all JW's (im not a JW so dont try attacking or your ignorance will make you look stupid) are not born again. The definition of being orn again means accepting christ for who he is. I belive witnesses do accept Christ for who he is and who he had claimed to be, The son of God, in which he never claimed to be the almighty god. can you do me a fovor and define almighty?
Thanks for the comment. I can only go on what the JWs tell me, and they say only 144000 are born again. Of course that conflicts with the Bible, but since when has that stopped them? Are you born again, or are you dead in your sins?
There is only one true God. He is the Almighty. He is also the Mighty God (Isaiah 10:21, 9:6). As a monotheist I believe there is only one Mighty God.
Ok so let me get this straight, You belive that the father is the almighty, and that the son is almighty as well, but the son is not the father, and the father is not the son correct?
Yes. I think you and I have covered that, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on my other video "How Can Jesus Be God if No One Has Seen God."
This video is about Jehovah's Witnesses not being born again, and since you're not a JW, I'd love to find out whether you're born again or dead in your sins, and what you believe on that topic.
Please lets stay on topic, Looking at this from an educated point of view using logic, you are the one claiming there are three almighties, but they arent the same person, you are the polytheistic one, What scritpural proof is there for this doctrine? It appears to me it is a man made doctrine used to appeal to pagans in Roman times in an effort to convert them, 3 gods does sound appealing to a polytheistic roman right?
You've explained the doctrine of the trinity in the past, so I know you know what it is: One God in three persons. There are not three Almighties. There is one. JWs are the ones that believe Jesus is a god (John 1:1, NWT), Moses is a god (Exodus 7:1), the judges were gods (Psalm 82:6), Satan is a god (2 Co. 4:4), and others. I'm the one that has to explain to them that there is only one God ever, anywhere (Isaiah 43:10).
god name is not jehova we as people pronounce it that way you cant pronounce The Fathers name the JW worship god accourding to what russel and watch tower is saying thats why when they reach out to u they almost always have a watch tower with them
Interesting enough, I happen to use the bible as my source. I see that through the scriptures it NO WHERE conveys that god is made up of three persons. it quite s imple concept you belive in three almighties, so you are polytheistic, point blank.
being born agian means you are a new creation in christ, whereby God gives you a new heart with new desires. God gives you a new nature, one that goes from loving sin and hating God to loving God and hating sin. God himself makes you a new person. Being born again is a work of god, not a desision by a man to turn over a new leaf
"If you're not born again, you're still dead in your sin." This statement is funny. Where in the Bible this passage found? I thought that is your only own interpretation. Let me ask you some question. Is "born again" only way to be release you from sin? Are Israelite or other servant of God like Moses, Jacob, Abraham etc... are "born again"? If not, based in your definition of "born again" those people are buried from their sin and have no hope for everlasting life. Answer please.
worldnatsable 6 months ago
@worldnatsable Passing from death to life (Eph 2:5) is being born again. The NT repeats the analogy several different ways.
Being born again is the consequence of being released from sin. Hell is the only alternative.
Matt. 8:11 makes it clear that OT Saints are born again and in heaven, which is a glaring error in Watchtower teaching.
You told me to "Answer please" and I have. Now, can you answer the question in the video? Are you born again? If not, why not, in light of 1 John 5:1?
bsp256 6 months ago
@worldnatsable I'm still looking forward to your response.
bsp256 5 months ago
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The good-news or gospel in Matt. 24:14 says this Good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations then the end will come.
Doesn't it make you glad that Satan's plan to ruin the earth will fail. Jesus Christ by means of the Kingdom will bring in a new heavens & a new earth. God cleansed the earth by a flood & soon this earth again will be cleansed. Christ is King of a new earth
Vicwarren711 1 year ago
Whether your reward of everlasting life in heaven or living in a paradise earth forever is not a bad reward as far as I am concerned. After all in the 'Lord's Prayer' we pray for 'Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven....' Those millions who prayed during the past 1900 years have the wonderful hope of everlasting life on paradise earth.
Vicwarren711 1 year ago
@Vicwarren711 Do you think that children of the devil will inherit paradise earth? What about those who are dead in their sin and enemies with God?
bsp256 1 year ago
It would not make sense to have a kingdom with no subjects, God's Kingdom consists of Jesus Christ & 144,000 co-rulers who will rule over a righteous new earth.
Makes sense to me.
sharlycupcake 1 year ago
@sharlycupcake You're just trying to change the subject. Those who are not born again are children of the devil and dead in their sin. Clearly, children of the devil will not inherit the earth.
bsp256 1 year ago
Jehovah's Witnesses that most persons will have the chance of a resurrection to everlasting life here on earth. Paradise was lost due to the sin of Adam & Eve. God's original purpose was for a paradise earth. The ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ made a perfect price. Satan tried to ruin God's purpose but failed.
sharlycupcake 1 year ago
sorry my mistake it should be 1935
Vicwarren711 1 year ago
@Vicwarren711 Does it really make sense that 1900 years and millions of people studying the Bible and no one figured out that not all Christians are going to heaven? I assure you that if there are any new doctrines arising after the conclusion of the Bible, they are false doctrines. Also, I hope you'll attempt to answer my question about Matthew 8:11.
bsp256 1 year ago
The fact is those scriptures you quote are speaking about those with the heavenly hope. In fact at one stage the brothers back then thought there were two heavenly classes. The message of the New Testament primarily was to gather those of the heavenly hope. It was not until 1035 it was discerned that their was the hope of earthly children of God who would inherit an earthly Paradise earth. In the Lord's prayer we pray for God's Kingdom to come to the earth
Vicwarren711 1 year ago
@Vicwarren711 What are you referring to that happened in 1035? I'd like to look it up.
Do you think Abraham Isaac and Jacob are in heaven (Matt 8:11)?
bsp256 1 year ago
@fairNskware
you asked about who will the kings and priest rule over read in the NWT rev 5 :9-10 it says they will rule over the earth ,look in the kingdom interliner it says upon the earth the earth other places in rev the nwt translates upon as upon not over !
unstopableravens 1 year ago
The WT keeps its followers away from Jesus Christ, sad.
Tawna54321 2 years ago
Being "born again" is not a process you choose like you choose your underwear. It is a privilege of service... and only God chooses these ones because of their prior faithfulness. The words "you must be born again" is not an invitation into heaven, but it merely states a prerequisite that must exist before a person can qualify. He then has to continue faithful til death to recieve his heavenly crown.
FairNskware 2 years ago
I agree that God chooses those for new birth and that all those who are reborn are going to heaven.
However, what are you if you aren't born again. You remain a child of the devil, and dead in your sin. All those who believe Jesus is the Christ are born again (1 John 5:1). Maybe JWs believe a false Jesus is the Christ, and therefore aren't born again.
Did you watch the video, because you didn't answer any of the objections in it? Thanks for your comment. I look forward to our conversation.
bsp256 2 years ago
Yes, I viewed the video.
"what are you if you aren't born again"
Faithful servants of God in pre-Christian times, though not begotten as spiritual sons of God with heavenly hopes, had Gods spirit. (Judg. 6:34; 11:29; 14:6; 2 Sam. 23:2; 2 Tim. 3:16) John the Baptist, for example, was filled with holy spirit; yet he did not go to heaven, for Jesus said of him: A lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.—Matt. 11:11
FairNskware 2 years ago
Also, mankind lives only on earth, since creatures of flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. (1 Cor. 15:50) It is here on earth, then, that the sheep of Jesus parable, including the great crowd, will gain everlasting life. They inherit the kingdom by taking possession of territory subject to the king, Christ Jesus. As spiritual rebirth is an experience only for those who go to heaven and change from fleshly to a divine nature 2 Pet 1:4. Christians not of that class are not born again.
FairNskware 2 years ago
@FairNskware
As for you quoting 1 Corinthians 15:50, don't stop there. Read the next few verses.
1 cor 15:51-53
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Hi there blueskunk12, my point for mentioning 1 Cor 15:50 was a simple reminder that " flesh" or humans will NOT be in heaven...Humans/mankind belong on the earth....the next part of the scripture tells us that those humans going to heaven must "CHANGE" from a corruptible mortal body to incorruptible spirit body...So heavenly creatures remain in heaven.
So since Jehovah did not create the earth simply for nothing as Isaiah 45:18 points out...we can conclude that humans will continue.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
I again ask how you reach that conclusion when it seems to contradict what I posted.
I wonder how do Jehovah's Witnesses know who will go to heaven and how many? From what I see, the 144,000 are males, from the tribes of Israel, and they are all virgins.
Revelation 21 seems to relate. It says there is a new heaven, a new earth, and says:
"Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 Rev 14:4
144000not defiling themselves with women and their being virgins would not mean that none of these 144,000 persons had ever been married, for the Scriptures do not forbid persons on earth who are to be joint heirs with Christ to marry. (1Ti 3:2; 4:1, 3) Neither would it imply that all the 144,000 were men, for there is neither male nor female as far as the spiritual relationship of Christs joint heirs is concerned. (Ga 3:28) It means they keep themselves pure.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
As to your usage of Galatians 3:28, I wonder how it relates to:
Ephesians 5:22 (Wives, submit to your husbands)
1 Corinthians 11:3 (The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man),
1 Corinthians 14:34 (Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak)
1 Timothy 2:12 (I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent).
I admit that instead of clarifying the issue, I have become more confused.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Your confusing yourself, stick with one question and delve into that...Gal 3:28 tells us specifically that there is no distinction between men and women in a spiritual sense. The apostle writes: You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ . .
FairNskware 1 year ago
@bsp256 Amen brother. Not a good message for the world hu? when we say that prior to regeneration we are the children of the devil, but it is the truth. Keep speaking the truth. I AM BORN-AGAIN OF GOD. 2 Tim 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
nachis3 1 year ago
@FairNskware
Quoting Matthew 11:11 does not prove that John the Baptist didn't go to heaven. In fact, you could use the same verse in an attempt to prove that John the Baptist was greater than Jesus.
Jehovah's Witnesses have NO proof that there are ANY of the 144,000 left, or that ANY of them were/are Jehovah's Witnesses, or that no one else will go to Heaven.
In fact, the Bible contradicts the JW's view, saying that the 144,000 are male, Jews, and virgins.
Look it up and see for yourself.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
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FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
You state that proving who is in heaven now is not the issue, that no one has any proof of who is in heaven now, then seem to contradict yourself and state that John will not be in the heavenly Kingdom.
From reading the text you quoted, I do not reach the same conclusion. In fact, I find myself agreeing with you that who is in Heaven is not the issue and that we cannot know who is in Heaven.
So I have to wonder why you keep insisting that John the Baptist won't be in Heaven.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@Blueskunk12
I can only go by what the bible says,.It tells us that John did NOT go to heaven, it tells us that 12 apostles did....I personally dont have any inside scoop as to who will go to heaven or not except by what the bible says. No contradictions
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
Please tell me where it says that the 12 Apostles went to heaven.
According to the NWT, Rev 14:4 says:
"These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins."
I agree that it does not say they can't get married, but it states that none of them have had physical union.
And unless you think the Bible condones marriage between two women, the same verse proves that the 144,000 are all men.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 Christ was the FIRST human resurrected to heaven, no one before Jesus ever went to heaven. Acts 26:23
the apostles were in the New covenant thus were invited to be co-rulers with Christ in heaven, as that is where he is.... at pentecost 33 ce when holy spirit was given. 10 days after Christ ascended to heaven.
The new covenant arrangement is for spirit begotten Christian only..as they will be going to heaven.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
Acts 26:23 does not say that. It says that Christ was the first to rise from the dead. It does not say he was the first who went to heaven.
Please tell me where it says that Christ ascended 10 days later. My understanding is that it was 40 days.
Please show where it says that only New Covenant Christians go to heaven.
All I'm asking is that you stop stating your opinion as fact and offer proof.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Jesus, a firstfruit, being actually the first firstfruits to God. (1Co 15:20, 23; 1Pe 3:18) The faithful followers of Jesus Christ, his spiritual brothers, are also a firstfruits to God, but not the primary firstfruits, being similar to the second grain crop, the wheat, which was presented to Jehovah on the day of Pentecost. They number 144,000 and are called the ones bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb and certain firstfruits of his creatures"Re 14:1-4; Jas 1:18
FairNskware 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
What does Acts 26:23 say to you? To me it says this:
KJV-That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
And again, being the first to rise from the dead does not mean he was the first to go to Heaven. In my opinion, you're reading things into the passage that simply are not there, simply because that's what you believe.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Think about this,....there were many examples in the bible of Jesus and the apostles raising the dead. Lazarus was one.... Did these ones go to heaven? So being that there were others who were raised from the dead that Jesus raised himself....what was so different that Jesus was said to be the FIRST to rise from the dead. Can you answer that?
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
You yourself admitted that we don't know who is in Heaven. That we can't know. And I said I agree with you. So I don't understand why you seem to be going back on that.
As for the 144,000, my opinion is that it actually doesn't matter. I've only been discussing it with you because I disagree with the JW's position about it.
JW's seem to make a HUGE deal out of it, when I personally think it's obsessing over disputable matters (Romans 14:1).
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Sorry did I say he ascended 10 days later, hmmm.. I meant the following.
Christ died on nisan 14 and was dead for most of 3 days,resurrected on the 3rd day, he stay on the earth for 40 days and then acsended up to heaven never to come back to earth... and then10 days after his ascension to heaven is when Pentecost 33 ce took place in which holy spirit was poured out.for a group of people.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@blueskink12
May I ask what religion you are?
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
And you have yet to prove that John the Baptist did not go to heaven. All you've done so far is state your personal opinion that John did not go to heaven.
If you are unable to offer any proof, I can only conclude that the issue is irrelevant.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
The bible proves that Jesus was the first to be resurrected from the dead and go to heaven, this obviously means that John the baptist and many others who died before Christ, did not go to heaven, if Christ was the FIRST.....Matt 11:11 harmonizes and does not contradict...we like that.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
Please understand. I'm not questioning your sincerity. If you weren't looking for or trying to follow God, you wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness.
My concerns are about what you have been taught by the Organization. I question whether they are correct.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Questioning is good, the bible tells us to question, to keep searching and to keep praying for answers.,God loves all of us....however, we must be observant and honest with ourselves. The answer may come and we may not like it....are we going to follow the truth of Gods word or our own traditions? Are we going accept the majorities view on that broad and spacious road or are we going to go down that cramped road where there is ridicule and contempt but it leads us to life? Choices
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
As for your question, "Are we going to follow God's word or our own traditions?", I have the same question for you and for all Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here are some more of my questions.
Why do you stick with beliefs that are not Biblical? Why do you have your own Bible that contradicts every other version?
Do you believe that God allowed Mankind to use a corrupt Bible for 2,000 years? If Jesus chose the JW's as the most correct in 1917, why do you not teach what you did in 1917?
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@FairNskware
I apologize for asking so many questions at once. Maybe we can focus on one issue at a time, starting with the 144,000.
My concern, as I said before, is that the 144,000 speak of males who are Jews and virgins, according to Scripture.
I do not see where it says they will be the only ones in heaven. I do not see where it says that people (male or female) of other races will be in the 144,000.
I hope we can focus on this topic awhile so that we do not scatter our attention.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Rev 14:4 signifies moral and spiritual cleaness because as I showed you through scripture before there are no distinction in heaven and marriage was not forbidden so it could not mean virginity in a fleshy way...so it must mean spiritual and moral cleaness like a virgin, Also, it can not be fleshly Israel/jews because they were rejected by God...so again it refers to spiritual Israel.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
I do not claim any religion. I have not found a Church that teaches what I believe is the truth. I do not see anywhere where Jesus says to find a Religion. From reading the Bible, all I can find is that it says to find and follow God.
Your take of the 144,000 seems contradictory. JW's believe that the 144,000 is literal, but then seem to claim that everything else about it is not literal.
To me, this does not make sense.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Regarding the 144000, I look at the big picture and what the bible says throughout....for instance I ask myself questions like...Did God orginally make man to go to heaven? or If everyone goes to heaven, what was the purpose for the earth? or If the anointed are said to be kings, priest and co-rulers with Jesus. Who will they rule over if all good people go to heaven? I have lots and lots of questions and they have to harmonize with scripture for me to feel it true.
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
If you'd like to talk with me further, I suggest you send me a PM outlining your major beliefs. I will respond with mine. Then we can go on from there.
I see no reason to quibble here over things that I believe are irrelevant, simply because I disagree with your beliefs.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Have you ever been associated with the witnesses?
FairNskware 1 year ago
@FairNskware
I will respond to you here one more time. And repeat my request. If you wish to speak to me further of these issues, please send me a PM.
My Dad was a JW in 1975. I assume he was a JW for a few years before and a few years after. Before 1975 I do not remember, and after 1975 I remember men in suits driving up to our house in plain sedans to talk with my parents.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@FairNskware
My problem with JW's is twofold:
1) I believe that JW's focus on issues that are irrelevant and ignore everything that is relevant.
2) JW's seem to believe that they're the only ones with the Truth, so everyone who disagrees is wrong, because they're the only ones with the Truth.
If you wish to discuss spiritual beliefs, please send me a PM. Otherwise, I will assume we have reached an impasse and that there is no further reason to speak with you.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
babafoto said, "born again,borne by spirit, and borne by water means what?
explain!"
Sorry for erasing your comment.
Born again means:
We weren't born all right from our mothers. We were born sinners and dead in our sin. We need to be reborn. When we believe in Jesus (John 3:16), the Holy Spirit makes us spiritually alive (Eph 2).
We're born once physically, and we're born again spiritually. Once we're spiritually alive, we're a new creature (2 cor. 5:17) with new desires to please God.
bsp256 2 years ago
JW is a CULT
bj616 3 years ago
hi i'm I'm 16 years old I don't concider myself a witness but I'm raised one mixed with my own ideas and perception as many, you see they don't believe in heaven or hell, biblical researchers, who aren't witness say that the word spirit means ourself they believe in resurrection and no it's not if you good or just follow who your heart condition, it's if god see's you over anything else, the term born again is miss used god and jesus are not the same person the merely work together.
bb151 3 years ago
"Born again" comes from the fact that we were born dead in our sins (Eph 2:1), and must be reborn (John 3:3). If you're not born again, you are still dead in your sins.
Do you believe you were born dead in your sins? Are you still dead in your sins? If not, what happened, and what do you call it?
bsp256 3 years ago
Better do your homework on the JW Cult and get out while you are still young.
bj616 3 years ago
Funny how believing in something makes the difference between going to hell or going to heaven. Why is that?
There is, I'm sorry to say, no escape from the responsibility of living rightly, regardless of what you believe, and that's the double truth, Ruth.
Kpooji 3 years ago
No one has lived right. If you've ever lied, stolen, or looked at someone with lust, you're a lying, thieving, adulterer at heart. You've broken God's law, and just like any guilty criminal, you must be punished.
How are you going to get your sins forgiven?
bsp256 3 years ago
Dear JAKEV25 if you were truly born again you could never ever belong to the wt org, your spirit would tell you that what they teach is not THE TRUTH!!
kiwismith1968 4 years ago 2
That's your opinion....You're entitled...Maybe you can explain to Jesus why you insist on persecuting those that have accepted Him as their Lord and Saviour?????????
JAKEV25 4 years ago
STOP STOP STOP....
This is false testimony...becareful.
I am a JW. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour. I confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is the Messiah...That He is the Son of the living God...that He came to Earth to preach the Good News about God's coming Kingdom and to be a ransom sacrifice to all mankind. He was tortured...murdered....resurrected by God and now sits at God's right hand awaiting the Day of Jehovah.
JAKEV25 4 years ago
HOW DARE YOU MAKE SUCH FALSE ACCUSATIONS...
Just because we don't want anything to do with your pagan ceremonies and traditions?
I'm sure Christ will be very unhappy with your video sir.
JAKEV25 4 years ago
Are you born again? If you are did I misquote the Watchtower article at the beginning?
If you're not born again, why not? Everyone who believes Jesus is the Messiah is born of God (1 John 5:1). What is your theory about how you can believe Jesus is the Messiah, but not be born again?
Being born again isn't a pagan tradition. It's clear from the Bible that you must pass from death to life. This process is called being born again. Please check my verses and tell me where I'm wrong.
Thanks
bsp256 4 years ago
Being born again is not the realm of the majority of true Christians. The Bible teaches that while, yes, a minority of true Christians would indeed become adopted as sons of God by holy spirit, it also teaches that this is only for those that are to be part of the 144,000 spiritual Jews, the anointed of God. The hope for all of mankind is everlasting life on a paradise earth, and this hope is based on Jesus' ransom sacrifice. There's no need for earthly subjects of God's Kingdom to be born again
JWinCT 4 years ago
since they are to survive the great tribulation and be blessed with living forever in the paradise earth. When Jesus talked about being born again THIS WAS A BRAND NEW TEACHING because the Hebrew scriptures never mention once about anyone going to heaven; many of the faithful Witnesses of Jehovah of old looked forward to our day and living in the peaceful earthly paradise (Ps. 37). The first disciples were anointed to be kings and priests with Jesus, ultimately the number reaching 144,000.
JWinCT 4 years ago
That, and ONLY THAT, is the reason why Jesus instructed his apostles and disciples were told of the need for being truly born again, begotten by spirit for the purpose of ruling with Christ in heaven. And even then, it was not a universal event! Only those directly adopted by God, at His time, and thru His choice. Those that ARE born again know it WITHOUT A DOUBT. Still, the cap on those being born again is 144K. The rest would have to be true Christians with an earthly hope.
JWinCT 4 years ago
Thanks for your comment. Why are you excepted from 1 John 5:1? Aren't you included in "everyone who believes Jesus is the Messiah"? If you know you're not born again, doesn't this indicate a problem with your doctine? If you're not born again, you're spiritually dead (Eph 2:1, Romans 8, Col 2:13, etc). The spiritually dead don't live in paradise on earth.
I know for certain I am born again, and going to heaven (Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:13).
bsp256 4 years ago
Wrong. But it's OK. You just don't know any better. Your understanding of the Bible is less than minimal. Satan believes Jesus is the Messiah. Does that mean HE'S automatically going to be saved by being born again? No. Jesus himself said that those entering the heavenly kingdom would be indeed, a "little flock". Those that live forever on earth have no need of being born again, since those who ARE, are chosen by God to fill in the 144,00 heavenly co-rulers with Christ.
JWinCT 4 years ago
The demons don't have a repentant belief in Jesus. 1 John 5:1 is describing a repentant belief. Again, why are you excepted?
Do you believe those living on paradise earth will be spiritually dead, children of the devil? You must be born into God's family, regardless of where you believe you'll spend eternity. You must be raised from the dead. How do you propose this will happen?
I would recommend you humbly search the Scripture to figure this out. Your eternity depends on it.
bsp256 4 years ago
I already told you I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and saviour.....so do 7 million other JW's
JAKEV25 4 years ago
You accuse me of lying and false accusations, but you refuse to respond to the verses. "EVERYONE who believes Jesus is the Messiah is born of God" (1 John 5:1, NWT). Why aren't you born of God? If you're not born of God, you are still dead in your sin. Don't believe me. Read the Bible.
bsp256 4 years ago
What are you talking about? I and 7 million JW's believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
JAKEV25 4 years ago
You will die in your sins if you don't believe Jesus is the one He claims to be-John 8:24. One of us is wrong about who Jesus is. But whoever has the proper understanding of who Jesus is and has repented and put their faith in Him must be born again (1 John 5:1). Since you aren't born again, it's evident that you don't have a proper understanding of who Jesus is.
Take a look at my other video "How Can Jesus Be God If No One Has Seen God?" I'd love to hear a challenging response from a JW.
bsp256 4 years ago
I just told you I have repented of my sin and I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour...I am sorry that is not enough for you...maybe you should take it up with the Lord?
JAKEV25 4 years ago
Guy....your theology is wacked....I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and saviour...I confess with my mouth that He was sent by God and came of His own free will to be a ransom sacrifice for humanity...He preached the Good News of His Father's coming Kingdom, He was arresested, tortured, murdered and resurrected by God and now sits at God's right hand awaiting the Great day of Jehovah.....
JAKEV25 4 years ago
Are you born again, or are you dead in your sins? You don't have to win this little debate with me. You need to figure this out for yourself. Have you read Ephesians 2:1, Colossians 2:13, and Romans 8?
bsp256 4 years ago
No what you want me to do is accept your pagan beliefs.....and you can just hold your breath brother...because it will never happen.
JAKEV25 4 years ago
Who said anything about pagan beliefs? All I did is give you some verses to look up. Do you believe the Bible is pagan--even the NWT? Are you basing your beliefs on the Watchtower or on the Bible? Are you afraid that the Watchtower and the Bible conflict? If they did conflict, what would you do?
I would recommend that if that ever happened that you choose the Bible, as it is inspired (2 Tim 3:16); by their own admission, the WT is not (Awake! March 22, 1993, p.4).
bsp256 4 years ago
Bsp256, I don't pretend to be an expert on the Bible, but think for a second, is it even reasonable to believe that "all christians believing in Jesus", would be going to heaven? What would be the purpose of that? What will you do there? The Bible says God already has many Angels to keep him company there. Isn't it more reasonable to believe that God will eventually make good on his promise to "fill the earth with perect people", just as he said to Adam?
MySearchForGod 4 years ago
Now, answer this honestly, ... If you had a choice, go to heaven and do who knows what, or live on earth, the place where meant to be, where as a human, you are designed to live. An earth that is finally made a paradise, perfect health, perfect food, perfect everything, ... Which would you choose?
MySearchForGod 4 years ago
You're missing the point. Whether it's heaven or paradise on earth, I'll be happy. However, if you're spiritually dead, you'll be going to neither. The spiritually dead go to hell. You were born dead in your sin (Eph 2:1). You must be raised from the dead to life. That is called being born again. You're either a child of God or a child of the devil. Why aren't you born again in light of 1 John 5:1? Have you even read it? Doesn't some JW have some response or explanation?
bsp256 4 years ago
You didn't answer my question.
I'm not a witness, I was born and raised as a Baptist, and I always assumed that since I was a Jesus believing Christian I was also "born again"!
So my sincere question is, I do believe in Jesus, ... And may I add, with all my heart, but you're saying, "that's not enough", is that right? What must I do to be born again? (sounds familiar, eh?)
MySearchForGod 4 years ago
Sorry. I assumed you were a JW. I never said believing in Jesus isn't enough. There are dozens if not hundreds of verses that say it is. However, it's not just a head belief, but a life-changing belief. The demons have merely a head belief (James 2:19). A better way to put it is repentance and faith in Jesus (Mark 1:15).
bsp256 4 years ago
It's o.k, I'm walking a fine line here.
So, if "repentance and faith in Jesus (Mark 1:15)" is required for salvation, what's wrong with what the JW's are doing? They believe in Jesus, they have faith in his sin atoning blood, they are repentant, (a person must repent of past sins before becoming Baptized as a JW) they are known for their high moral standards. So, what's the problem, why are the not viewed as "saved Christians".?
MySearchForGod 4 years ago
Jesus said He is the I AM (John 8:58, Exodus 3:14). There is only one God, and Jesus is Him. You have to have a proper understanding of who Jesus is to be saved (John 8:24). The faith they have isn't as important as the object of their faith. By their own admission they're not born again, which is necessary. No one can live a good enough life to get to heaven. We're all sinners, and we need to be saved.
bsp256 4 years ago
So are you saying that because the JW's do not believe in the trinity they are not saved????
JAKEV25 4 years ago
If the Jesus you believe in can't make you born again, you're going to hell for eternity to pay for every lie you've ever told, and every time you've ever committed adultery.
bsp256 4 years ago
Okay...what does it mean to be "born again"?
Tell me your understanding of being "born Again"....it means different things to different people.
JAKEV25 4 years ago
We are born spiritually dead (Eph. 2:1), and enemies of God (Col. 1:21). When God brings us to life spiritually, this is called being born again. If you're not born again you are still spiritually dead, and you will go to hell.
bsp256 4 years ago
So how does one become spiritually to life?....for example...how did you become spiritually alive?
JAKEV25 4 years ago
God saves you when you repent from your sin, and put your faith in Jesus alone (Mark 1:15). Repentance is a gift from God (2 Tim 2:25) and so is faith (Eph 2:8-9).
Take a look at John 1:12-13, Romans 8, Colossians 2:13, 1 Cor. 15:22.
bsp256 4 years ago
COOL...I'M GOOD I have repented of my sin...and I have put my faith in Jesus alone....imagine that...and I am a JW at the same time!
JAKEV25 4 years ago
Are you born again?
bsp256 4 years ago
Hey man its me again, so explain your logic, you are saying that all JW's (im not a JW so dont try attacking or your ignorance will make you look stupid) are not born again. The definition of being orn again means accepting christ for who he is. I belive witnesses do accept Christ for who he is and who he had claimed to be, The son of God, in which he never claimed to be the almighty god. can you do me a fovor and define almighty?
jayistheman11286 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment. I can only go on what the JWs tell me, and they say only 144000 are born again. Of course that conflicts with the Bible, but since when has that stopped them? Are you born again, or are you dead in your sins?
There is only one true God. He is the Almighty. He is also the Mighty God (Isaiah 10:21, 9:6). As a monotheist I believe there is only one Mighty God.
bsp256 3 years ago
Ok so let me get this straight, You belive that the father is the almighty, and that the son is almighty as well, but the son is not the father, and the father is not the son correct?
jayistheman11286 3 years ago
Yes. I think you and I have covered that, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on my other video "How Can Jesus Be God if No One Has Seen God."
This video is about Jehovah's Witnesses not being born again, and since you're not a JW, I'd love to find out whether you're born again or dead in your sins, and what you believe on that topic.
bsp256 3 years ago
youtube wont let me respond
jayistheman11286 3 years ago
Sorry. It seems to be working all right for me. Maybe you can send me a message.
bsp256 3 years ago
Please lets stay on topic, Looking at this from an educated point of view using logic, you are the one claiming there are three almighties, but they arent the same person, you are the polytheistic one, What scritpural proof is there for this doctrine? It appears to me it is a man made doctrine used to appeal to pagans in Roman times in an effort to convert them, 3 gods does sound appealing to a polytheistic roman right?
jayistheman11286 3 years ago
You've explained the doctrine of the trinity in the past, so I know you know what it is: One God in three persons. There are not three Almighties. There is one. JWs are the ones that believe Jesus is a god (John 1:1, NWT), Moses is a god (Exodus 7:1), the judges were gods (Psalm 82:6), Satan is a god (2 Co. 4:4), and others. I'm the one that has to explain to them that there is only one God ever, anywhere (Isaiah 43:10).
bsp256 3 years ago
god name is not jehova we as people pronounce it that way you cant pronounce The Fathers name the JW worship god accourding to what russel and watch tower is saying thats why when they reach out to u they almost always have a watch tower with them
sraxone 3 years ago
Interesting enough, I happen to use the bible as my source. I see that through the scriptures it NO WHERE conveys that god is made up of three persons. it quite s imple concept you belive in three almighties, so you are polytheistic, point blank.
jayistheman11286 3 years ago
being born agian means you are a new creation in christ, whereby God gives you a new heart with new desires. God gives you a new nature, one that goes from loving sin and hating God to loving God and hating sin. God himself makes you a new person. Being born again is a work of god, not a desision by a man to turn over a new leaf
cadavercity 3 years ago
I agree 100%. Is there something in the video that indicated otherwise?
bsp256 3 years ago
no not at all, i just thought id say it
cadavercity 3 years ago
Thanks for your comment.
bsp256 3 years ago