9D object travelling in 8D space but 7D projecting which it moves in 6D projected in 5D with the complexity of 4D projected into 3D on a 2D screen with photons going in 1D to our 0D eyes and brain.
@TheWarrior1986 well obviously the medium used to represent it is 3D but the thing it's representing is 9-D. Start by looking at a rotating tessaract (to yr right in the vid column) and then progress upwards....it's difficult to envision nine-dimensionality at first let alone superstring and M-theory where the maths requires the conceptualising of 10 and 11 dimensions respectively but if you watch a vid on here entitled '10 dimensions explained' it should start slowly to emerge in yr mind
@TheWarrior1986 Technically it is a 2D perspective projection of a 9D abstract form. Einstein was able to show us that time functions as a dimension continuous with space, but that has a very different meaning from saying "the fourth dimension is space-time."
Yes but in that video I can perceive length, breadth and height - in total 3 dimensions. Einstein referred to space-time as the fourth dimension presumably because it is the next most obvious dimension that operates within our range of perception. But your right I was probably a little high when I wrote that comment and didn't quite word it correctly. Thanks for pointing it out though!
You know... these would be so much better designed for 3D glasses. That would be 50% more dimensions for our mind to work with. Not that I think 9D is comprehensible by us anyway.
you can see a 9 dimensional object because you see a crosssection of it in 8d and a cross section od the cross section in 7d and so on until you reac the dimensional planes we can comprehend. But this image lools nothing like the actual fully fledged 9d obejct
NO, you can project any higher dimensional object into lower dimensions. To make it simple for you, take the 3d projection of a hypercube and look at it's 2d shadow. There you have a 2d projection of a 4d object. PS I hate you
@InVainbassist Indeed! And I might add that since you are projecting higher order objects into lower order worlds, you will loose information. The more information you loose, the more awkward an object would appear. Simple, just think about a simple cube projected onto a surface. If you rotate the cube, the projection will shift its shape. But a cube is still a solid object.
Plus, we actually see 2D because the retina is a 2D surface. The notion of 3D comes from our stereoscopic view.
@rkyeun exactly so the video above must be missing some parts of the 9th dimension.You can't project shadows of dimensions higher than the 4th dimension in 3d space or 2d space. All you'd end up with is a bunch of lines connected to each other which would make no sense to us (maybe to 8th dimension beings). so the analogy is correct but not made for our 3d eyes.
No. The 9D projection is distorted, but viable. Nothing is missing. 1D projections aren't possible because lines can't cross or overlap. There's no possible rotations. You can project from any higher dimension into 2D or higher.
A shadow would actually be a 3D object, unless perhaps the object casting it is touching the ground. Ps you could have also went with, a simpler example of drawing a 4d shape on a flat piece of paper.
@MrFreakHeavy Exactly, so every shape is what u call a "projection" of a higher dimension.... you dont manually "project" a high dimensional image into a lower dimension, but every object fits in all the dimensions, so anything we see is also a 4th dimensional, 5 dimension etc. shape, cept we see only 3 dimensions of it. thats prettymuch what it means. And also, what is this ridiculous rumour that the 4th dimension is motion and time?? WE CANT SEE THE 4th dimension!, so we cant tell what it is!
@MrFreakHeavy Continuing my last comment, you cant know what the dimensions are because that would be creating something absolute. every new dimension is made up of attributes from the previous one, except to truly give it the next dimensional feel, you have to have that new dimension (i.e. height, width, etc.) so its impossible to know what the 4th dimension is, and even if we did know it, you couldnt point it out. it would be like creating a total new colour from scratch
@Lucky466 Well that's true. The only way you can say is by traveling to the next dimension.
But my point was that you will see and object with the same amount of dimensions of the dimension of the space it is in, except for lower dimensional object in a higher dimensonal space. For example, you will see a 4D object as a 3D one in a 3D space. So, a 11D object in a 1D space would be seen as a 1D object, even if it's not. But a 2D in a 3D will still look like 2D. :)
@hemokal Shadow = Light radiation being blocked off by a foreground object. Moron. Now that you insisted on calling me a moron I will insist on making an ass out of you.
@Polaf3456 You said that yourself. You PERCIEVE it as a 3D object, evethough it is not. ;) You problably know this by now. You cannot have a object of higher dimension on a lower dimension space. You can only represent it as one. And a higher dimensional object can interect with lower dimension space, getting inside it, for example; but the lower simension "people" will see it as a lower dimensional object. :)
no, you can see a 4D object in our universe but it means nothing. It meanrly shows the possibilities, for humans it would be seeing death and our own birth.
However you can't see 9D that is assuming the possibilities of time and space in a single point. It can't be shown
You would be able to see the object, but it wouldn't look any different from a 4-D object. It's shadow however, unlike the a 4-D object, would not appear to be a regular 3-D shape, I believe.
Ever read flatland? Imagine us going into the 1-D world....
well, actually some level of transparency is essential to have 3D viewing, and then 4D can be viewed in all its glory as much as we can see 3D with 2D eyes. But the higher dimensions (of space) still remain out of reach.
@realisticHomeboy a real polytope (like a tesseract) would have all right angles, just like a shadow of a cube doesn't show all right angles (although we know it has them) but it's the price of projection. it is impossible to show anything past the 3rd dimension because that's where we're "trapped" so to speak
-Magic Bunny, I think it goes like this... 0 - point 1 - line, length 2 - length + width 3 - length + width + depth 4 - duration 5 - chance 6 - time travel... ? 7 - line joining universes 8 - lines of universes intersecting 9 - all outcomes of every line connecting universes 10 - everything there is ?? a point
It's more like: 0 - point 1 - Length 2 - Perpendicular direction 3 - Another perpendicular direction 4 - Another perpendicular direction 5 - Another perpendicular direction 6 - Another perpendicular direction 7 - Another perpendicular direction 8 - Another perpendicular direction 9 - Another perpendicular direction 10 - Another perpendicular direction
Bingo. Thanks for posting that so I didn't have to. The key here is shadows reduce the dimension of an object by one, while still retaining some of the characteristics of that object. So we just see the shadow of the shadow of the shadow, reducing it by one dimension each time.
The reason you can see this 9 dimensional object on this screen is because it is animated. If the picture/video wasn't animated it look just like a cube to you in the (2d), but the animation gives it the additional rotations needed so that you can perceive this object in multiple lights at once. Try to first look and understand 4d objects, when you understand how they dimensions move and how light affects each object, this will become much easier to look at and understand.
Tengrism is believed to be the humans' first religion (which was called knowledge by then) out of which "all" other religions were born, or forged.
If you can find a book about Tengrism that wasn't written by Europeans (and/or other imperialist powers such as Russia, Ottomans, Chinese etc...), then check it out. You'll be amazed about its perspective about other dimensions.
Also look for Middle Asia, Anatolia, and certain European "legends" that aren't biased like history.
nanonano. i´ve got some questions concerning the 3 dimensions (and please excuse my english;-)): is it even possible to say, that we´d think in a 3-dimensional "way"?! ins´t time the assumption to recognize the 3 dimensions? is a "line" or "cube" possible without agitation? is agitation without time possible. or do you think about a more ore less kant´ianischen category of time?
if there are more dimensions (and i do belive that), is time the assumption of all of them? or is a universe, some kind of "room", imaginable without the persistence of time?
The religion that was later renamed to paganism, shamanism, buddhism, atheism, etc,etc... The religion of the people that were hunted to by the Jesuit Order.
Those religions were somehow condemned, and their followers killed by the inquisition. There are none that now live to tell us about this lost knowledge.
Or dreams "may" be visions, or projections from higher dimensions. That's why we have difficulty to explain or even sometimes comprehend them when we wake up. Drugs which are illegal also cause stronger dream like states while damaging your health.
Actually, the reason why we can't remember dreams is due to the fact that while we sleep none of the information being generated is being saved to our long term memory.
When we wake up, the small fragments that are still within our short term memory are the only things that get committed to long term memory.
Can anyone imagine how insane we would all be if we remembered all of our dreams? Its a good thing our brains have a temporary storage buffer that is constantly being erased.
These are just projections. Of course we can not see higher dimensions from this dimension. That's what we call physics. Earth physics explain the first three dimensions. The higher ones are regarded as paranormal. We think they exist, but there is no way to prove them from our dimension. We can not even disprove them. That's why we call them "para"normal.
"Awareness" is the key point. How do you become aware enough to understand? There were ancient religions concerning this.
I like how people are so confident that they're seeing a 3d figure on a 2d computer screen. Yes, it's not _really_ 9d. It's a projection on a 2d screen. But that doesn't make the projection inaccurate. If you're comfortable believing the creator of this video could project a 3d figure on your screen, why not 9?
That's because it's displayed in a program that can only interpret 3D objects, so things in higher dimensions end up looking distorted. For example if you draw a cube in 2D, some of the information of the 3D cube is lost, so something displayed in 3D from a higher dimension will have lost information as well.
If we take time out....and only think about "space" then we are 3D, and whatever we see will be 3D. It's impossible to see a 4D spatial object, now much less possible to see a 9th. Unless you find a way to get into a higher dimension you will never see those structures the way they really are.
I hate when a good theoretical hyperdimensional geometry conversation gets derailed whenever someone mentions the word time. It's similar, but for the sake of this conversation, completely misses the point. We are talking about space, space, space, and nothing but space.
A dimenson is only a mathematical/quantitative value to give an object meaning and to describe it.
3d objects, we only need to know L, B and H. your kitchen worktop is described by a joiner in this way because it is 3d. if something changes over time, we need time to understand it, so if your kitchen worktop changed over the time, it would be 4d. because time would be required to describe it properly. 9D objects are just objects with a great deal of similar parameters.
there is a 5D cube, its called the pentarect. Sure it doesn't have a spacial composition, since the 5th dimension is the dimension of chance and probability.
their is no dimensions over the fourth, i have no idea why people would think that their is, chance and probability is just that, chance and probability. their is no dimension that it occurs.
the forth dimension is the dimension of time... it is a linear dimension since time goes forward and back, but if we have chance and probability we get a plane which is the 5th dimension. If we went back in time, and changed something we would switch to an alternative timeline by moving 5t dimensionally. Thats the best I can explain it, if you still don't understand its not my problem =/...
So, based on what you're saying about any and all dimensions beyond the fourth, would you assert that there is no 4th, either, because time is just that, time? And what about the 3rd? 2nd? 1st?
In the same way that flatlanders can see a 3D object when that object insersects flatland, then surely, so to can we see 4D objects when they intesect our world. Obviously we cannot see them in their entire 4D selves at any one time (hence why 4D models on youtube are always shown rotating so we can see them in their entirety), but we can see their 3D cross-sections as they rotate around our 3D space or pass through it.
We see floating, pulsating blobs, just as a Flatlander sees pulsating rings of flesh if he sees a human. Please make this animation solid (somehow!) and I will thank you LOTS.
Shadows on two surfaces at different relative distances to a light and shadow source, but each holding the shadow and outline of a single, third object, can give you an idea of the shape of a 3-d, moving object. Like a shadow of a bird on the wall of a building, which transitions to the top of the building seemingly instantaneously, makes the bird seem as tall as the building for a split second. But the projection of the bird in shadow is not the same as the dimensions of the actual avian.
Haha. It's because monitors can only display flat, or 2D images. Take 3D games for example. They have 3D graphics, but they're really only 2D if using a standard monitor. The video is of a 3D representation of a 9-dimensional object. It looks so weird because it's actually 2 dimensional video of a 3 dimensional representation of a 9 dimensional object.
So I assume you will be bringing a book out soon with all your work, I mean you are one of the top minds in the world... you do know that there are only about 10000 people in the world with an IQ as high or higher than yours don't you?
Harrison819
wow, you are quite the obnoxious prick, now arent you?
how do you know that JC is lord? oh, i know, because your geographical and temporal position at birth landed you in a place in which the majority worship JC. if you were born a few hundred years ago in my country you would have thought woden and thor ruled the skies. if you were born in your country 800 years ago you would worship some native american god. the point is, even if some kind of god exists, the chance that it be your god is somewhat minute. btw, noone said dawkins or hawkins were god
I know Christ is lord because I feel his spirit within me. I feel it my bones. I have drawn great strength from the spirit of Christ since the death of my cat (Gary) and I just don't know where I'd be without his fellowship.
Secondmost:
As for your stupid apples/oranges analogy, if *you* were born in your country 800 years ago you'd know nothing of your countryman Newton's laws and would likely believe in the efficacy of curses and take your dumps in a hole in the ground.
well, ignoring the fact that my country invented the toilet with flush... you did well to make a good analogy here. curses. people believed in curses once. you know why? because illness and suffering were strife and there was no explanation at that time, this led to the formation of theories such as; curses, demons, trepanning, religion, witches, etc. of course, now we have nice science to explain things even though some people like holding onto ancient myths.
It changes all the time. Scientists can never make up their minds, and the preposterous excuse they give for this constant vacillation is "evidence".
On this flimsy pretext, you can just believe whatever you like and do what you like.
"I murdered that little girl be cause the 'evidence' suggested I would be able to get away with it." See how that works? And you're a fool if you believe this "cube" is anything other than hypno-nonsense.
"It changes all the time" that the point. science is not the ultimate source of universal truth, it is the constant quest for knowledge. this differs from religion in that religion is dogmatic and generally refuses to change their beliefs in light of evidence (take creationism). the whole idea of science is so that new evidence and new ideas can change the core philosophy entirely. can you not see how this is a good thing? science has taken us so far on these ideas.
"And you're a fool if you believe this "cube" is anything other than hypno-nonsense". one, it's not a cube, it's a hypercube. two, it's a decent estimate of what a 4D hypercube would look like. i'd like to see you make one better. the maths behind this is sound, it's just a projection of what we know of our 3 dimensions into the fourth.
obviously it's impossible in our 3 dimensional space. i know what poe's law is. the inability to differentiate between satire, sarcasm, etc. and an authentic fundementalism. but i don't see the relevance.
I'm disappointed. You seem to be such a precocious kid, and were doing so well till just now.I'm a cognitive scientist, and a staunch atheist. I've been pulling your leg the whole time.
I thought I'd just provided one. Very well, I will expatiate.
"alwaysright10000" is an intentionally invidious pseudonym under which I stretch the limits of imagination in making the most obnoxiously boneheaded, inversely persuasive arguments I can possibly think of.
This is not only an amusing diversion, it can be a surprisingly effective way to gain insight into how people come to accept or reject the validity of various propositions.
I am a bit disappointed that neither you nor anyone else challenged me on several truly gregious errors, any one of which I would have expected to raise te hackles of such an apperently intelligent kid.
To name a few:
There was no Canadian civil war.
There is no such thing as a "professor of science".
"Theoretical civics" is not a real discipline.
Nor is "logicology".
The highest IQ ever recored is 228, and has since been invalidated.
apparently i can't sub you, will you sub me? i always enjoy exercises like this, however unexpected. but how do i sound american? what words or phrases do i use? i've lived in england all my life and the only americans i'm exposed to are on TV, on youtube and in writing on the internet, generally youtube again.
i didn't see, or maybe glanced over, the civil war bit. i just looked back and that was an 'argument with someonw else, i dunno.
"professor of science" well, you got me on that one i think.
"theoretical civics" and "logicology" well, i just thought (correctly) that you were pulling all that out your arse so i ignored it, though i should have probably picked up on it anyway. "apperently intelligent kid" thank you very much, i do try ;)
how about we sub eachother, that was an interesting exercise.
So I assume you will be bringing a book out soon with all your work, I mean you are one of the top minds in the world... you do know that there are only about 10000 people in the world with an IQ as high or higher than yours don't you?
Well of course you know that, you've been studying physics for years, helped develop the theory of electromagnetic particles and like the majority of your cohorts are atheist.
you 'know christ' because somebody told you about christ. i'm presuming your parents were christian, parents are a BIG influence on a child. i presume many of your schoolmates were christian, and so on. going back to my (perfectly sound) analogy, if you were in a muslim country and your parents were muslim, you would 'feel' allah in your bones ET CETERA. do you not get it?
I'm presuming your parents believe in gravity. Gravity is a BIG influence on a Child.
I would not feel Allah in my bones because Islam is a religion of filthy diaper heads.
At any rate, it should be obvious that the the reach of the SON OF GOD is not constrained by geography. He would have reached me anywhere -do you not get it?.
"Islam is a religion of filthy diaper heads" you would not be saying that if you were brought up as a muslim. you may even look down on christians, it's all a matter of how you were brought up. my parents, as most sane people do, believe in gravity, i don't see your point. jesus would have reached you anywhere? tell that to the people living in remote tribes who would have no idea what jesus is. i dunno, maybe He doesn't care about them.
What would 9-Dimensional Jesus Do?
jedwards1211 1 month ago
A 9-D object, projected into 8-D, then 7-D, then 6-D, then 5-D, then 4-D, then 3-D space, and finally on the 2-D computer screen.
I'm ready to die.
BRyanS72 4 months ago
@BRyanS72 Here is better coverage.
9D object travelling in 8D space but 7D projecting which it moves in 6D projected in 5D with the complexity of 4D projected into 3D on a 2D screen with photons going in 1D to our 0D eyes and brain.
RHVids100 1 month ago
All I see is a rolling ball of gathered pubes.
6Seraph6 4 months ago
....this doesn't look solid. Like at all.
XgottahavemychucksX 5 months ago
Only chuk norris can figure this out...
Blackwargreymon 6 months ago
My mind is officially fucked.
MajorMedia1 7 months ago
*puts on his 9-d glasses
*head explodes
thegreatestoffools 7 months ago 2
how much does a new brain cost?
AngelOfSorrow97 7 months ago
*puts on 3D glasses* FUCK!! THIS SHIT DOESNT WORK!!!!
MrFreakHeavy 7 months ago
it fucking raped my mind
Ferminater539 8 months ago
Wouldn't that create a black hole
cademan40 9 months ago
*Shoots Self*
ApertureAce 10 months ago
just think of a 3d hyper cube in 3d :D:D im so confused by the fourth dimension... all i know is the points double per dimension
p0wer5000 11 months ago
@p0wer5000 never seen a cube?
YOU FAIL AT LIFE
jameswizard6 10 months ago
@jameswizard6 haha i meant 4D cube in 3d (glasses t.v. ect)
p0wer5000 8 months ago
the more dimensions you add the more it looks like the subatomic universe
rendubot 1 year ago
is it rotating in all nine dimensions?
jperl99 1 year ago
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fluence51 1 year ago
@siby8505 Using the current theory what this is shoig... there's a maximum of 10 dimensions.
XiDarkEntropyiX 1 year ago
I do not get this, as I find it hard to imagine anything past 4 dimensions.
BagofbombsStudios 1 year ago
@BagofbombsStudios you cant imagine it, because it doesnt exist here.
MrSkateholic 1 year ago
It's over 9000 !!!
IMMMedved 1 year ago
i like to try (and fail) at drawing tesseracts, but i think i'll now stop!
cominup85 1 year ago
@cominup85 i drew one, its not that hard. but its still not a true tesseract, and it never will be in the 3rd dimension.
MrSkateholic 1 year ago
Isnt that just a complex 3d model? Our eyes can only perceive 3 dimensions anyway - the fourth dimension is space-time as proved by Einstein.
TheWarrior1986 1 year ago
@TheWarrior1986 well obviously the medium used to represent it is 3D but the thing it's representing is 9-D. Start by looking at a rotating tessaract (to yr right in the vid column) and then progress upwards....it's difficult to envision nine-dimensionality at first let alone superstring and M-theory where the maths requires the conceptualising of 10 and 11 dimensions respectively but if you watch a vid on here entitled '10 dimensions explained' it should start slowly to emerge in yr mind
NoPrivacyANYMORE10 1 year ago
@NoPrivacyANYMORE10
Ok, thanks for the advice bro!
TheWarrior1986 1 year ago
@TheWarrior1986 Technically it is a 2D perspective projection of a 9D abstract form. Einstein was able to show us that time functions as a dimension continuous with space, but that has a very different meaning from saying "the fourth dimension is space-time."
FluffyBunniesOnFire 1 year ago
@FluffyBunniesOnFire
Yes but in that video I can perceive length, breadth and height - in total 3 dimensions. Einstein referred to space-time as the fourth dimension presumably because it is the next most obvious dimension that operates within our range of perception. But your right I was probably a little high when I wrote that comment and didn't quite word it correctly. Thanks for pointing it out though!
TheWarrior1986 1 year ago
@TheWarrior1986 yes, its not REALLY a 4d object, its a 2d model of a 3d shadow of a 4d object.
MrSkateholic 1 year ago
An enneract
matzoball101 1 year ago 4
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I hope they make brain condoms; I don't want no STD's from being mindfucked from this video...
7xXAfflictionXx7 1 year ago
FFFUUUUUUUU
I can only understand 4d space, and not even tesseracts!
TheScurvyNinja 1 year ago
...What the hell did I just see? O_o;;; My brain does not work that way!
leafbarrett 1 year ago
This is what you see when chuck norris gives you a round house kick
masturbeight 1 year ago
I am sorry. I forgot my 9D-glasses.
VannevarBush 1 year ago 6
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matzoball101 1 year ago
You know... these would be so much better designed for 3D glasses. That would be 50% more dimensions for our mind to work with. Not that I think 9D is comprehensible by us anyway.
MazeleyFanClub 1 year ago
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ppedalen 1 year ago
that's well complex!
Ayman170Turbostar 1 year ago
even if it wasnt a 2D projection you'd still be limited by our 3 dimensions
selraith123 1 year ago
the shape is a 3-d......... triangle?
tazira1 1 year ago
Completely useless on Earth...this thing couldn't sift flour.
hardhitter0421 1 year ago
@hardhitter0421 It might still have a practical use. Perhaps it could help us produce FTL communication!
Mandragara 1 year ago
ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
YonPow 1 year ago
That's a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow.
Shiiiit.
MaxChaplin 1 year ago
Mind-boggling.
SirPuppumHat 1 year ago
mind-bottling
carneyesada 1 year ago
you can see a 9 dimensional object because you see a crosssection of it in 8d and a cross section od the cross section in 7d and so on until you reac the dimensional planes we can comprehend. But this image lools nothing like the actual fully fledged 9d obejct
Mrpafla 1 year ago 3
.....im confused...
i thought u could only se a 4D object by seeing its shadow in a 3D universe (on a 2D screen)....
so...can't you only see a 9D object in an 8D universe??
:s
Lyarellen 2 years ago
NO, you can project any higher dimensional object into lower dimensions. To make it simple for you, take the 3d projection of a hypercube and look at it's 2d shadow. There you have a 2d projection of a 4d object. PS I hate you
InVainbassist 2 years ago 42
wow you are worthless trash
lloplop 2 years ago
@InVainbassist Indeed! And I might add that since you are projecting higher order objects into lower order worlds, you will loose information. The more information you loose, the more awkward an object would appear. Simple, just think about a simple cube projected onto a surface. If you rotate the cube, the projection will shift its shape. But a cube is still a solid object.
Plus, we actually see 2D because the retina is a 2D surface. The notion of 3D comes from our stereoscopic view.
cumesoftware 2 years ago 7
How can project a 3d dimension object in the first dimension?
mickycheese27 1 year ago
3d means 3rd dimension... dumb ass
Yangusburger 1 year ago
@Yangusburger i missed the 'r' so it came out as 3d dimension lol.
mickycheese27 1 year ago
@mickycheese27
You can't. 1D doesn't permit you to see anything but a single point.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun Actually a point is the 0 dimension, not the 1st.
NewDie9 1 year ago
@NewDie9
Yes, I know this. An entity in linespace only has two directions to look, forwards and backwards. In either case, there's only a point.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun exactly so the video above must be missing some parts of the 9th dimension.You can't project shadows of dimensions higher than the 4th dimension in 3d space or 2d space. All you'd end up with is a bunch of lines connected to each other which would make no sense to us (maybe to 8th dimension beings). so the analogy is correct but not made for our 3d eyes.
mickycheese27 1 year ago
@mickycheese27
No. The 9D projection is distorted, but viable. Nothing is missing. 1D projections aren't possible because lines can't cross or overlap. There's no possible rotations. You can project from any higher dimension into 2D or higher.
rkyeun 1 year ago
A shadow would actually be a 3D object, unless perhaps the object casting it is touching the ground. Ps you could have also went with, a simpler example of drawing a 4d shape on a flat piece of paper.
6FiftySix 1 year ago
@InVainbassist me? why ;-;
Lyarellen 1 year ago
@InVainbassist The 2d projection isn't a shadow of the 4d object, it's a shadow of the 3d object, which in turn is a shadow of the 4d one.
andyfuji77 1 year ago
@InVainbassist so how do u project an 11 dimensional object into a 1 dimensional place?
Lucky466 10 months ago
@Lucky466 Well you can try adding every point and line. But you will end up seeing just a single line. :\
MrFreakHeavy 7 months ago
@MrFreakHeavy Exactly, so every shape is what u call a "projection" of a higher dimension.... you dont manually "project" a high dimensional image into a lower dimension, but every object fits in all the dimensions, so anything we see is also a 4th dimensional, 5 dimension etc. shape, cept we see only 3 dimensions of it. thats prettymuch what it means. And also, what is this ridiculous rumour that the 4th dimension is motion and time?? WE CANT SEE THE 4th dimension!, so we cant tell what it is!
Lucky466 7 months ago
@MrFreakHeavy Continuing my last comment, you cant know what the dimensions are because that would be creating something absolute. every new dimension is made up of attributes from the previous one, except to truly give it the next dimensional feel, you have to have that new dimension (i.e. height, width, etc.) so its impossible to know what the 4th dimension is, and even if we did know it, you couldnt point it out. it would be like creating a total new colour from scratch
Lucky466 7 months ago
@Lucky466 Well that's true. The only way you can say is by traveling to the next dimension.
But my point was that you will see and object with the same amount of dimensions of the dimension of the space it is in, except for lower dimensional object in a higher dimensonal space. For example, you will see a 4D object as a 3D one in a 3D space. So, a 11D object in a 1D space would be seen as a 1D object, even if it's not. But a 2D in a 3D will still look like 2D. :)
MrFreakHeavy 7 months ago
@InVainbassist Explain to me please then why we have 3D objects on 2D screens that are percieved as 3D but only being 2D...
Polaf3456 9 months ago
@Polaf3456 HE JUST DID... it is the 2D shadow of the original object mron.
hemokal 8 months ago
@Polaf3456 HE DID. It is the 2D shadow of the original object moron.
hemokal 8 months ago
@hemokal Shadow = Light radiation being blocked off by a foreground object. Moron. Now that you insisted on calling me a moron I will insist on making an ass out of you.
Polaf3456 8 months ago
@Polaf3456 You said that yourself. You PERCIEVE it as a 3D object, evethough it is not. ;) You problably know this by now. You cannot have a object of higher dimension on a lower dimension space. You can only represent it as one. And a higher dimensional object can interect with lower dimension space, getting inside it, for example; but the lower simension "people" will see it as a lower dimensional object. :)
MrFreakHeavy 7 months ago
no, you can see a 4D object in our universe but it means nothing. It meanrly shows the possibilities, for humans it would be seeing death and our own birth.
However you can't see 9D that is assuming the possibilities of time and space in a single point. It can't be shown
sambudwiser 2 years ago
You would be able to see the object, but it wouldn't look any different from a 4-D object. It's shadow however, unlike the a 4-D object, would not appear to be a regular 3-D shape, I believe.
Ever read flatland? Imagine us going into the 1-D world....
xkcdHatGuy 2 years ago
@Lyarellen
Any higher dimensional shape can be digitally represented in lower dimensions, but you can only see the "Shadow" of the shape
so this would be the shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a 9D polytope
matzoball101 1 year ago
@matzoball101 okaaay ^-^ thank you :)
Lyarellen 1 year ago
@Lyarellen
no prob =D
matzoball101 1 year ago
using 2D viewing from a point (which is impossible to get better than even with all this 3D animation stuff):
In 3D simulation, a line can be viewed to look like a point, and a plane can be viewed to look like a line.
In 4D simulation with 2D viewing, a space can be viewed to look like line, and a plane can be viewed to look like a point.
In 9D, a 7D cube can be viewed to look like a point. Only imagination must be used to imagine the point as really being a line, the line as a plane...
LyriMetacurl 2 years ago 3
well, actually some level of transparency is essential to have 3D viewing, and then 4D can be viewed in all its glory as much as we can see 3D with 2D eyes. But the higher dimensions (of space) still remain out of reach.
LyriMetacurl 2 years ago
It's not a 9 dimensional "cube". It's the PROJECTION of one onto a 2D plane.
realisticHomeboy 2 years ago
@realisticHomeboy a real polytope (like a tesseract) would have all right angles, just like a shadow of a cube doesn't show all right angles (although we know it has them) but it's the price of projection. it is impossible to show anything past the 3rd dimension because that's where we're "trapped" so to speak
jinzodude 2 years ago
Why are you telling me this?
realisticHomeboy 2 years ago
ankstroms 2 years ago
Watch "imagining the 10th dimension". You were wrong after 4.
urantivirus 2 years ago
FluffyBunniesOnFire 2 years ago 2
that is completely wrong dude
thecashcrater 2 years ago
how can you possilbly see a 9 dimensional model on a 2 dimensional screen?...
buddhistichindu 2 years ago
he was probably high.
nobody can see or represent a 4th dimension object cuz we are traped in the 3rd. unless u are in the 5
u cant see the 4th
abbad0n 2 years ago
exactly, so this isn't a legit model
buddhistichindu 2 years ago
But u can draw a perspective of it.
In a computer monitor we are trapped in a 2d environement, but u can draw a cube because our mind is trained to add the 3rd dimension.
The cube draw will NOT have all lines of same lenght as it will NOT have all all vertex of 90 degrees.
The deformation is the result of loosing a dimension.
If u look a shadow of a 3d object u see a perpsective of the 3d object.
So this is a representation of a shadow 3d of a shadow 4d of a shadow 5d of a shad... of a 9d object
gennaman2bit 2 years ago
Bingo. Thanks for posting that so I didn't have to. The key here is shadows reduce the dimension of an object by one, while still retaining some of the characteristics of that object. So we just see the shadow of the shadow of the shadow, reducing it by one dimension each time.
xoforoct 2 years ago
i think hes on alot of mind altering drugs
d3athbRinger 2 years ago
With a third dimensional representation lol!
VexMutz 2 years ago
u can see a 2d shadow of a 3d shadow of a 4d shadow of a 5d shadow of a 6d shadow of a 7d shadow of a 8d shadow of a 9d object :)
gennaman2bit 2 years ago
The reason you can see this 9 dimensional object on this screen is because it is animated. If the picture/video wasn't animated it look just like a cube to you in the (2d), but the animation gives it the additional rotations needed so that you can perceive this object in multiple lights at once. Try to first look and understand 4d objects, when you understand how they dimensions move and how light affects each object, this will become much easier to look at and understand.
douchebag789 2 years ago 3
and I thought a "normal" tesseract was confusing...
Voodoomancer 2 years ago 60
and i thought that representing a 4d object on a 2D plane was too much already, this leads to a weird path
r4v3nh34rt 2 years ago 3
@Voodoomancer checkout Hyperspheres then and your head will explode
q009q009 1 year ago
@Voodoomancer this is caled a nonoract, or an I-CANT-UNDERSTAND-WHAT-THE-F*CK-IS-GOING-ON-eract
xatnu 1 year ago
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huh huh huh and huh?
DarkCornor 2 years ago
Tengrism is believed to be the humans' first religion (which was called knowledge by then) out of which "all" other religions were born, or forged.
If you can find a book about Tengrism that wasn't written by Europeans (and/or other imperialist powers such as Russia, Ottomans, Chinese etc...), then check it out. You'll be amazed about its perspective about other dimensions.
Also look for Middle Asia, Anatolia, and certain European "legends" that aren't biased like history.
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
nanonano. i´ve got some questions concerning the 3 dimensions (and please excuse my english;-)): is it even possible to say, that we´d think in a 3-dimensional "way"?! ins´t time the assumption to recognize the 3 dimensions? is a "line" or "cube" possible without agitation? is agitation without time possible. or do you think about a more ore less kant´ianischen category of time?
KritischeBiomasse 2 years ago
if there are more dimensions (and i do belive that), is time the assumption of all of them? or is a universe, some kind of "room", imaginable without the persistence of time?
have a nice day, best greetings. 42
KritischeBiomasse 2 years ago
Tengriism: the religion of the Hungarians and the Turks?
crzer07 2 years ago
The religion that was later renamed to paganism, shamanism, buddhism, atheism, etc,etc... The religion of the people that were hunted to by the Jesuit Order.
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
Those religions were somehow condemned, and their followers killed by the inquisition. There are none that now live to tell us about this lost knowledge.
Or dreams "may" be visions, or projections from higher dimensions. That's why we have difficulty to explain or even sometimes comprehend them when we wake up. Drugs which are illegal also cause stronger dream like states while damaging your health.
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
Actually, the reason why we can't remember dreams is due to the fact that while we sleep none of the information being generated is being saved to our long term memory.
When we wake up, the small fragments that are still within our short term memory are the only things that get committed to long term memory.
TheWindClaw 2 years ago
Can anyone imagine how insane we would all be if we remembered all of our dreams? Its a good thing our brains have a temporary storage buffer that is constantly being erased.
drmichaelbellamy 2 years ago
These are just projections. Of course we can not see higher dimensions from this dimension. That's what we call physics. Earth physics explain the first three dimensions. The higher ones are regarded as paranormal. We think they exist, but there is no way to prove them from our dimension. We can not even disprove them. That's why we call them "para"normal.
"Awareness" is the key point. How do you become aware enough to understand? There were ancient religions concerning this.
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
I like how people are so confident that they're seeing a 3d figure on a 2d computer screen. Yes, it's not _really_ 9d. It's a projection on a 2d screen. But that doesn't make the projection inaccurate. If you're comfortable believing the creator of this video could project a 3d figure on your screen, why not 9?
thefifthsetpin 2 years ago 5
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that is still 3d
xxl606 2 years ago
That's because it's displayed in a program that can only interpret 3D objects, so things in higher dimensions end up looking distorted. For example if you draw a cube in 2D, some of the information of the 3D cube is lost, so something displayed in 3D from a higher dimension will have lost information as well.
meowfu 2 years ago 4
If we take time out....and only think about "space" then we are 3D, and whatever we see will be 3D. It's impossible to see a 4D spatial object, now much less possible to see a 9th. Unless you find a way to get into a higher dimension you will never see those structures the way they really are.
cuantumk 2 years ago
I hate when a good theoretical hyperdimensional geometry conversation gets derailed whenever someone mentions the word time. It's similar, but for the sake of this conversation, completely misses the point. We are talking about space, space, space, and nothing but space.
FluffyBunniesOnFire 2 years ago
A dimenson is only a mathematical/quantitative value to give an object meaning and to describe it.
3d objects, we only need to know L, B and H. your kitchen worktop is described by a joiner in this way because it is 3d. if something changes over time, we need time to understand it, so if your kitchen worktop changed over the time, it would be 4d. because time would be required to describe it properly. 9D objects are just objects with a great deal of similar parameters.
Focusb4ufire 2 years ago
9D? IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
sonicfangamer2 2 years ago
1d-up or down
2d left or right
3d foward/backward
4d time foward/backward
5d teleporting
MasterHacker01 2 years ago
In mathematics, the number of dimensions is a free parameter. Your universe may vary.
wolpjame 2 years ago
my new FB status!
glitch232 2 years ago
yeah that is the shadow of a 4D cube,which is 3D.
infoseeker228 2 years ago
very wise theory. i never thought of that.
Pintoleite3 2 years ago
i think a 4D cube is a cube in 2 places at the same time,
like a teleport line.
or it could be at the same place,but at different times.
i'm trying to figure this out,now i'm really getting confused with understanding the 5D cube.
infoseeker228 2 years ago
relax, their is no five dimensional cube.
laughingskulls23 2 years ago
there is a 5D cube, its called the pentarect. Sure it doesn't have a spacial composition, since the 5th dimension is the dimension of chance and probability.
mechwarreir2 2 years ago
their is no dimensions over the fourth, i have no idea why people would think that their is, chance and probability is just that, chance and probability. their is no dimension that it occurs.
laughingskulls23 2 years ago
the forth dimension is the dimension of time... it is a linear dimension since time goes forward and back, but if we have chance and probability we get a plane which is the 5th dimension. If we went back in time, and changed something we would switch to an alternative timeline by moving 5t dimensionally. Thats the best I can explain it, if you still don't understand its not my problem =/...
mechwarreir2 2 years ago
So, based on what you're saying about any and all dimensions beyond the fourth, would you assert that there is no 4th, either, because time is just that, time? And what about the 3rd? 2nd? 1st?
mandaxmarieee 2 years ago
i am thinking there is
infoseeker228 2 years ago
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Penteract
LordVith 2 years ago
Woah I'd be scared to see in 4D, it would weird me out. I can't begin to understand it. But at the same time, woah awesome. xD
EvilJellyMen 2 years ago
No, it is a 4-Dimensional re-presentation within a 3-Dimensional (virtual) environment.
It looks 3D because it was MADE in 3D.
We can not see a 4D object, so we'll just have to do it with this representation.
gunblade64 2 years ago
In the same way that flatlanders can see a 3D object when that object insersects flatland, then surely, so to can we see 4D objects when they intesect our world. Obviously we cannot see them in their entire 4D selves at any one time (hence why 4D models on youtube are always shown rotating so we can see them in their entirety), but we can see their 3D cross-sections as they rotate around our 3D space or pass through it.
What do you think?
dutoilette 2 years ago
I think that the 3D projection of the 4D objects are shown here in several video's.
Imagine these objects floating around in your very room right now, that is how you would perceive a 4D object while intersecting our reality.
gunblade64 2 years ago
We see floating, pulsating blobs, just as a Flatlander sees pulsating rings of flesh if he sees a human. Please make this animation solid (somehow!) and I will thank you LOTS.
David95210 2 years ago
My brain hurts,too. Very interesting!!!
papermason 2 years ago
That's 4-d...
Supuhstar 2 years ago
That's exactly what I was going to say. >.o
suzywao 2 years ago
No 3D
jodeldodel 2 years ago
Shadows on two surfaces at different relative distances to a light and shadow source, but each holding the shadow and outline of a single, third object, can give you an idea of the shape of a 3-d, moving object. Like a shadow of a bird on the wall of a building, which transitions to the top of the building seemingly instantaneously, makes the bird seem as tall as the building for a split second. But the projection of the bird in shadow is not the same as the dimensions of the actual avian.
SgtJoeEvil 2 years ago
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PhenomWins 2 years ago
Actually, it's a 2D projection of a 3D projection of 9 dimensions. Video is only 2D, except for those hologram videos.
BlueFlashProductions 2 years ago
Ya. My bad. I was thinking 3D when anything we see on a surface is only 2, but it was supposed to mimic a 3D shape.
PhenomWins 2 years ago
my brain hurts lol
benblue3 2 years ago 2
Haha. It's because monitors can only display flat, or 2D images. Take 3D games for example. They have 3D graphics, but they're really only 2D if using a standard monitor. The video is of a 3D representation of a 9-dimensional object. It looks so weird because it's actually 2 dimensional video of a 3 dimensional representation of a 9 dimensional object.
BlueFlashProductions 2 years ago
that looks strange... maybe if we go one dimension at a time... instead of skipping to the 9th
tonyboyangie3 2 years ago
ouch.. that hurd my brain :P
baboer 2 years ago 2
easy
vatltatl 2 years ago
I love the range of comments on this video:
wayzey
So I assume you will be bringing a book out soon with all your work, I mean you are one of the top minds in the world... you do know that there are only about 10000 people in the world with an IQ as high or higher than yours don't you?
Harrison819
wow, you are quite the obnoxious prick, now arent you?
Nickolo3 2 years ago
"gregious"
(wince)
Goddamn typos. (I'm a little sauced)
polymath7 2 years ago
Seriously, dude, get a hobby. A worthwhile one, anyway.
HowieFeelin 2 years ago
Jesus Christ is lord.
Not Allah, not Vishnu
Not puffed op Richard Dawkins
Or little Shriveled Stephen Hawkins.
Zing!
The unassailabe logic of the alwaysrightster does it again.
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
how do you know that JC is lord? oh, i know, because your geographical and temporal position at birth landed you in a place in which the majority worship JC. if you were born a few hundred years ago in my country you would have thought woden and thor ruled the skies. if you were born in your country 800 years ago you would worship some native american god. the point is, even if some kind of god exists, the chance that it be your god is somewhat minute. btw, noone said dawkins or hawkins were god
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
A.
I know Christ is lord because I feel his spirit within me. I feel it my bones. I have drawn great strength from the spirit of Christ since the death of my cat (Gary) and I just don't know where I'd be without his fellowship.
Secondmost:
As for your stupid apples/oranges analogy, if *you* were born in your country 800 years ago you'd know nothing of your countryman Newton's laws and would likely believe in the efficacy of curses and take your dumps in a hole in the ground.
Zing!
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
well, ignoring the fact that my country invented the toilet with flush... you did well to make a good analogy here. curses. people believed in curses once. you know why? because illness and suffering were strife and there was no explanation at that time, this led to the formation of theories such as; curses, demons, trepanning, religion, witches, etc. of course, now we have nice science to explain things even though some people like holding onto ancient myths.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
Science isn't all it's cracked up to be.
It changes all the time. Scientists can never make up their minds, and the preposterous excuse they give for this constant vacillation is "evidence".
On this flimsy pretext, you can just believe whatever you like and do what you like.
"I murdered that little girl be cause the 'evidence' suggested I would be able to get away with it." See how that works? And you're a fool if you believe this "cube" is anything other than hypno-nonsense.
Athe-ASS!
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
"It changes all the time" that the point. science is not the ultimate source of universal truth, it is the constant quest for knowledge. this differs from religion in that religion is dogmatic and generally refuses to change their beliefs in light of evidence (take creationism). the whole idea of science is so that new evidence and new ideas can change the core philosophy entirely. can you not see how this is a good thing? science has taken us so far on these ideas.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
"And you're a fool if you believe this "cube" is anything other than hypno-nonsense". one, it's not a cube, it's a hypercube. two, it's a decent estimate of what a 4D hypercube would look like. i'd like to see you make one better. the maths behind this is sound, it's just a projection of what we know of our 3 dimensions into the fourth.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
No, the cube, hyper or otherwise, is flatly impossible (pun intended). The great mathematician Charles Danford Poe proved as much as early as 1879.
Google "Poe's law", and be enlightened.
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
obviously it's impossible in our 3 dimensional space. i know what poe's law is. the inability to differentiate between satire, sarcasm, etc. and an authentic fundementalism. but i don't see the relevance.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
You don't see the relevance?
I'm disappointed. You seem to be such a precocious kid, and were doing so well till just now.I'm a cognitive scientist, and a staunch atheist. I've been pulling your leg the whole time.
My actual IQ, incidentally, is 180.
Not quite 284, but nothing sneeze at..
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
i demand an explanation... a thorough explanation...
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
I.
I thought I'd just provided one. Very well, I will expatiate.
"alwaysright10000" is an intentionally invidious pseudonym under which I stretch the limits of imagination in making the most obnoxiously boneheaded, inversely persuasive arguments I can possibly think of.
This is not only an amusing diversion, it can be a surprisingly effective way to gain insight into how people come to accept or reject the validity of various propositions.
You did quite well, but...
polymath7 2 years ago
II
I am a bit disappointed that neither you nor anyone else challenged me on several truly gregious errors, any one of which I would have expected to raise te hackles of such an apperently intelligent kid.
To name a few:
There was no Canadian civil war.
There is no such thing as a "professor of science".
"Theoretical civics" is not a real discipline.
Nor is "logicology".
The highest IQ ever recored is 228, and has since been invalidated.
polymath7 2 years ago
III
Well, thank you for participating. I wish I could tell there's a prize to be had, but there isn't.
No hard feelings Eh?
Oh, and one last thing -joking aside, you really do sound entirely American. Are you an emigrant?
Cheers mate.
polymath7 2 years ago
apparently i can't sub you, will you sub me? i always enjoy exercises like this, however unexpected. but how do i sound american? what words or phrases do i use? i've lived in england all my life and the only americans i'm exposed to are on TV, on youtube and in writing on the internet, generally youtube again.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
i didn't see, or maybe glanced over, the civil war bit. i just looked back and that was an 'argument with someonw else, i dunno.
"professor of science" well, you got me on that one i think.
"theoretical civics" and "logicology" well, i just thought (correctly) that you were pulling all that out your arse so i ignored it, though i should have probably picked up on it anyway. "apperently intelligent kid" thank you very much, i do try ;)
how about we sub eachother, that was an interesting exercise.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
your vocab seems more like your concern than your reasoning.
you fuck with people to see what they'll say, cause it's informative?
someguyyoudontcare 2 years ago
wow, you are quite the obnoxious prick, now arent you?
Harrison819 2 years ago
So I assume you will be bringing a book out soon with all your work, I mean you are one of the top minds in the world... you do know that there are only about 10000 people in the world with an IQ as high or higher than yours don't you?
Well of course you know that, you've been studying physics for years, helped develop the theory of electromagnetic particles and like the majority of your cohorts are atheist.
If you are what you say i'd be proud to meet you.
wayzey 2 years ago
you 'know christ' because somebody told you about christ. i'm presuming your parents were christian, parents are a BIG influence on a child. i presume many of your schoolmates were christian, and so on. going back to my (perfectly sound) analogy, if you were in a muslim country and your parents were muslim, you would 'feel' allah in your bones ET CETERA. do you not get it?
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
"i'm presuming your parents are Christian..."
I'm presuming your parents believe in gravity. Gravity is a BIG influence on a Child.
I would not feel Allah in my bones because Islam is a religion of filthy diaper heads.
At any rate, it should be obvious that the the reach of the SON OF GOD is not constrained by geography. He would have reached me anywhere -do you not get it?.
Feel Allah in my bones?
Tell me this again when you've lost a cat.
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
"Islam is a religion of filthy diaper heads" you would not be saying that if you were brought up as a muslim. you may even look down on christians, it's all a matter of how you were brought up. my parents, as most sane people do, believe in gravity, i don't see your point. jesus would have reached you anywhere? tell that to the people living in remote tribes who would have no idea what jesus is. i dunno, maybe He doesn't care about them.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
i am not american but i know that alwaysright is always right just look at his name how could someone so awesome and american not be right
fuck the rest of you
p.s. he is titled to respect
americans are the greatest
and canada is shit
craptastics 2 years ago
Thanks craptasic. It's good to see that there is at least one person perusing this board who is able to comprehend basic sententious logic
Jesus Christ is lord (not Allah, not Dawkins, not Stephen Hawkins).