Walter said in his autobiography that he drew upon feelings of grief regarding his recently-deceased brother to film this. He said that although it came out well, he should not have pulled such a painful memory to enhance his performance and was glad it was cut.
Probably one of the reasons this was removed, outside of pacing, was because try as James Doohan and Walter Koenig might, the dialog here was clearly originally intended for Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley. I can hear the characters Spock and McCoy quite clearly through the Scottish and Russian accents.
Harriman takes a lot of flak, but he was a green captain given a ship that was CLEARLY unready for duty, and rushed into service... probably because some Admiral at Starfleet Command wanted a media-friendly photo op.
(Well, that'a an in-universe explanation, anyway.)
@DoomShepherd Yeah, but c'mon - you should be able to handle command-level situations well before you're given a captaincy. And the ship may have been unready for duty, but that didn't stop Kirk and Scotty getting in there and rescuing a lot of people.
His death was ridiculous, when you think about it. We can blame Kirk's death solely on Picard. Think about it: knowing what Zorin was capable of, Picard chose to go back to a point where it was no one but him and Kirk to fight Zorin. Why didn't he go back to an earlier time when he knew he'd be accompanied by more people, say the discussion in Ten-Forward? Plenty of people around. Zorin would be in the brig and Kirk would still be happy messing around with green chicks in the Nexxus.
@wkndsquire Nah he died a heroes death . And whatever you may think or say, at the end of the day , Picard and the TNG crew were worthy successors to the old crew and Kirk.
It's obvious Scotty and Chekov are last-minute substitutes for Spock and McCoy. The writers failed to have a real back-up plan for Nimoy and Kelley not appearing. The rewrite to swap characters is unfortunately superficial and rings false.
This scene was written to show Spock and McCoy as the survivors of a broken trinity. Scotty and Chekov can't fill in for that and we see enough of their reactions without this. Doohan and Koenig brought strong emotions but this wasn't where they belonged.
kirk never died. his body was beamed out buy the borg where they put nanites in his body and repaired the damage and made him a borg with a purpose "to kill jean luc picard.
Eventually the nanites were removed and he remained in the future to marry a half klingon half human woman and settled on a remote planet that is untill a Spock with a beard showed up along with Tiberius Kirk from the parallel universe and an opposite Katherine Janeway and Picard.
@Illuminati10101 In a book written by Shatner himself, and is not canon. He is dead in the original timeline and that's why Shatner didn't appear in the new Star Trek movie.
@CaptainPimpSlap Yes what i quoted was written by Shatner it was a series of books that took place from the point Kirk Was killed,... Called,Perserver,Dark Victory, Avenger,Best Destiny,
He was very much dead. The Borg had to use nanites to revive him, then they had to use a copy of his memories to implant in him, then altered them. It was non-canon, anyway.
The woman in the beginning, she looks so familiar, and I can't place her. She vaguely looks like Keiko from later.
@Draknfyre... The actresses name is Jacqueline Kim and her character was Captain Sulu's daughter, Demora. If she looks familiar, perhaps you have seen her as Rachel (in Threshold), or Amy Chen (in Courthouse). Keiko O'Brien was was played by a different actress, Rosalind Chao.
Ed Norton has always had those.. uncredited roles in good movies.. Speed(he was that tourist guy who whines about being at the airport(spoilers if you haven't seen it, sorry)) and in this movie..
That is sad, but I can't dismiss the thought that if it were Spock and Bones there, it would be simply heart rending.
Spock would try not to show that he cared Kirk was gone, and Bones, because of his own hurt, would lash out at him for not caring. Spock would have the last word, however, probably with one of those small expressions which Mr. Nimoy was so amazing at
It's actually kind of interesting. The first time Kirk isn't with Spock and Bones, he dies. :(
Captain Harriman looks dumb because you gotta realize is standing in the presence of living legends. Its a lot easier to make Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov(sp?) look cooler by dumbing down the new captain.
@Obrut00 I see what you are saying but you have to admit he overplayed the dumbing a little too much. i think everyone watching was thinking, how the hell did he become a captain.
I wish they'd kept some of that scene, it's very short, and we get some nice EMOTION in the movie--I love Picard, think he and Kirk are THE great captains of Trek (Sisko's both very good and very bad for the same reason, his temper and hard time containing himself, Janeway's a clueless cutthroat who worships the Prime Directive, and Archer's just clueless) but in this film, Kirk dies and...?
Bad writing, wait--did that Captain just say "Let's go home?" KIRK DIED, MAN! SHOW RESPECT FOR HIM!
I wonder just how much cut footage there is hidden away by paramount from all the movies. Just think of the boon that would be to the people making fan based films.
I always thought that Captain Harriman (however you spell his last name) was a dope in this movie. Captain of the Enterprise B - the flagship - and he seemed like an idiot.
There is some (I believe non-canon) backstory that the Captain was the son of a highly respected admiral or something like that, so he was given the command because of his father rather than because of his command ability.
Yeah, I think it was because of that that he had command while it was being built, so he was the "official" first captain, but it was known he wasn't really up to it.
@ThePhantom359 Well, that was a recurring thing in TOS - to make Kirk look amazing, all the other captains had to be complete morons, cowards and lunatics. Wasn't until Picard that they featured another captain who wasn't a total fool.
@jimbopumbapigsticks Commodore Wesley, commanding officer of the USS Lexington wasn't a moron, coward, or a lunatic. Despite being caught by surprise and outmaneuvered by the computer controlling Enterprise, Wesley got his ship away and wasn't filled with a blood rage to destroy the Enterprise when it was vulnerable. I'm pretty sure he was the only TOS "captain" that was given competence, skill, and wisdom besides Kirk.
@ThePhantom359 He was an idiot. But he does get a back story in the extended universe which makes the character more tolerable. It could have been worse, i heard in early scripts he wasnt as fond of Kirk then he was in the final. Making him an asshole.
It would have made a more interesting plot, If the enterprise-B itself was sucked in entirely into the nexus, not just Kirk, Scotty would not have been in the movie if they did.
So you could have the two era's of ships team up.
That would have been cool, but Scotty wound up stuck in a transporter buffer sometime after this. Well actually, he got stuck in a downed ship without life support and put himself in the transport buffer with the remaining energy and remained there until the 24th century when the crew of the Enterprise-D found him. Look up the TNG episode "Relics"
Actually that could have been interesting. The Enterprise-B goes into the Nexus, fights it out alongside the D with Kirk, Chekov, and Scotty helping Picard, and then they all climb back aboard the Enterprise-B and use the time travel method they used in Star Trek 4 I believe to go back home.
In Relics, when they find Scotty and tell him they're from the Enterprise he thinks Kirk "hauled the old girl out of mothballls to find him" so Kirk being alive in their time would be better with canon.
What I thought was lacking in the movie was the dialogue between Kirk and Picard. Here was two starfleet cpatains of extremely different command styles and the scenes they were in together seemed so generic. There was so much that could have been done and should have been done in those scenes that wasn't.
Too contrieved. Too much of treating the audience like a simpleton. "All things.....must end lad." We're not thick!
Then the bridge officer or even Captain of the Enterprise B siomply says "Let's go home." Without a single acknowledgement of Kirk's bravery or career?
Its quite moving. I read in Walter Koening's book (Warped Factors) that he had just lost his brother in real life and used that emotion for the scene. Makes it more powerful I feel.
Kirk meeting picard in the nexus is cool, show picard how to be a real captain and all. the nexus is cool. The only thing after watching generations is if someone or something is to kill Kirk it better be a god or a real villain not some nutjob wanting to go see his family again.
There's one thing I noticed about this movie - it is one of the few occasions where even I notice a contradiction.
When Scotty was found by the Enterprise-D's crew, he was like "Oh, did the ol' Jim Kirk bring that ship back after all, just to rescue me?" (heavily paraphrased, of course x3), he was all "so, Kirk's still around, eh?"...
I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm thinking that the Scotty from that episode was from after ST6 but found his way back to his rightful time before Generations. Hey,it could happen.
Yeah, though that would kinda have altered time, in a way... maybe we should just take into consideration that Generation was partially badly written. After all, Kirk and Picard could've gone further back in time and just prevent the destruction of Armagosa (and thus, in a sense, that of the Enterprise), too, whilst they were at it...
They kind of explained it in one of the books - I think it was one of the ones Shatner wrote where Kirk is reanimated by the Borg. They addressed it but I can't remember what their explanation was.
No kidding. It seemed forced and too some degree poorly written. An example of Berman losing his zeal for the franchise. The Nexus plot device asks the question: did Picard and Kirk actually go back to the planet Veridian 3 or was their stopping Soren just another Nexus fantasy? Vague even by Trek standards.
And the whole "going back" thing was kind of contrived; if they could go back to whenever, Picard could have just gone back to when Soren was on the Enterprise-D and had him confined to the brig. No need for the Enterprise to be destroyed, no reason for Kirk to die.
What if they never really escaped the Nexus? That would mean the Next Gen Enterprise-D just blew up with the planet and Picard just goes back in time within his own personal reality thanks to the Nexus. First Contact and Nemesis would never have happened in the real world.. just Picard's nexus :)
tech thats what happend. If you go by what this movie established about the Nexus. I mean, it doesnt effect the space outside of it, just that time has no meaning INSIDE of it. Kinda crasy if you think about it. But alas....this movie made no sense anyways so why should it follow its own logic. Picard escaped the nexus ect ect.
I don't think we lost anything by not having this scene in the movie. It just doesn't have the emotional impact that you got, for example, when Spock died. Speaking of Spock, it should've been our favorite Vulcan and Dr. McCoy on the Enterprise-B with Kirk. I get why it wasn't, but still...
Correct on both counts. If I recall, the story goes that Nimoy declined because he felt it would be creatively unsatisfying to make what amounts to a token appearance. DeForest Kelley not being able to do it was also a factor. Thus, the lines that were intended for Spock and McCoy went to Scotty and Chekov (Indeed... why else would Chekov, in one scene, be recruiting two people to be nurses?)
I thought the same thing about Chekov recruiting nurses. But with two "lesser" characters flanking Kirk, it did make Kirk more central to the plot. I haven't given up on seeing the good captain on the big screen again. Good writing is everything.
They messed up so much of this movie... They couldn't even make a decent trailer for it if memory serves it was a mash up of battle clips from TNG. I mean it's kinda sad you listen to the director's commentary for this and the whole time they are making fun of it and talking about how they are cheap asses who couldn't get anything done in time. to make matters worse the original end of the movie had Kirk getting shot in the back for his death! Plus they blew up the Enterprise-D my baby!
I absolutely agree. I've never been sadisfied with the generations movie. It just doesn't feel "right" in every single minute. If they only would allow the fans to make a Fan-cut and trying to reproduce and reshoot scenes. I mean you can't get it more worse than it is now.
The central point of the revelations about the Nexus at the end was that it was fundamentally hollow; it could give you your heart's desire, but it couldn't give you what you REALLY wanted.
As Kirk realised himself, in the end, nothing there was real
LAcked emotion. I just didn't "feel" anything when watching it -- and I should, it's Kirk commrades there. I say good thing it was cut. Could certainly have been handled better, and not filled with at least three cliched lines.
Sigh! I would like so much to see Shatner in the new film! And I agree with UCRDOGS: it's science fiction, I don't believe it would be so difficult to get back Kirk!
Thanks for posting. I have never seen this clip! Still do not see why Kirk could not be included in the new movie with Spock as bookends to the early life stories. shatner even said anything could be done....This is all science fiction..
But Shatner also refused to do a cameo, if statements can be believed and I for my part don't want to see "Star Trek: The Search for Kirk" even as much as I think all the characters are important to the whole.
And thanks for uploading this. I can only agree with others that this should have been in the film.
This should have been included, but Branan and Braga couldn't be bothered to keep anything meaningful or believable, especially from an original cast member. Sickening...
I often wondered how Chekov and Scotty reacted after Kirks "death"!! The answer might be difficult: Those men had a life full of dangers - each day could have been the last for one or all of them..for years and years!! Then one of them is gone from one moment to another. Somehow they always had to "know" that it would be like this one day!! But I guess it`s still a shocking and unspeakable sad moment! They should have kept the scene in the movie!!
If you can find the hardcover book of Generations, you can read about how all the others found out about Kirks death. CheKov notifies sulu first by telling him "the Captain" is dead, and sulu thinks he means the capt of enterprise b, then chekov says no, "THE CAPTAIN" , and Sulu instantly knows what he means, very touching and sad to read. I was also very disappointed n this movie, what a waste to have the old and new together and make such a crapfest. A real waste.
I remember these lines from the novelization, interesting to actually see them acted out now.
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GrenadeCatcher 3 months ago
shit quality == (yep you guessed it) SHIT VIDEO
talaxian1 3 months ago
Walter said in his autobiography that he drew upon feelings of grief regarding his recently-deceased brother to film this. He said that although it came out well, he should not have pulled such a painful memory to enhance his performance and was glad it was cut.
tamioftroy 3 months ago
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marsh84722 5 months ago
@jmp678 Koenig got over it. See his interview with Shatner. Doohan never did.
wrlord 5 months ago
@wrlord Actually, by many accounts, Shatner and Doohan reconciled towards the end of Jimmy's life.
KyleCHaight 4 months ago
President John Henry Eden killed Kirk.
R8erNation636 5 months ago
Damn. Jimmy Doohan was a fine actor. Too bad he didn't do more.
wrlord 5 months ago 5
Scotty! He's the greatest!
Champion1970 5 months ago
nuclear wessels
NilChoudhury 6 months ago
awwww... poor chekov :' (
xanazumaki2 7 months ago
Probably one of the reasons this was removed, outside of pacing, was because try as James Doohan and Walter Koenig might, the dialog here was clearly originally intended for Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley. I can hear the characters Spock and McCoy quite clearly through the Scottish and Russian accents.
AlchemistiD 7 months ago 4
@IntelPhoenix31 LMAO!
vccstudents 8 months ago
Harriman was total dick! What fucking moron in star fleet assigned this Muppet to the Enterprise?
EmpireLS56KW 8 months ago
It really would have added to the movie if they had kept this scene..... Let's face it, this movie needed all the help it could get!
jptang1701 9 months ago
Harriman takes a lot of flak, but he was a green captain given a ship that was CLEARLY unready for duty, and rushed into service... probably because some Admiral at Starfleet Command wanted a media-friendly photo op.
(Well, that'a an in-universe explanation, anyway.)
DoomShepherd 10 months ago
@DoomShepherd Yeah, but c'mon - you should be able to handle command-level situations well before you're given a captaincy. And the ship may have been unready for duty, but that didn't stop Kirk and Scotty getting in there and rescuing a lot of people.
jimbopumbapigsticks 10 months ago
His death was ridiculous, when you think about it. We can blame Kirk's death solely on Picard. Think about it: knowing what Zorin was capable of, Picard chose to go back to a point where it was no one but him and Kirk to fight Zorin. Why didn't he go back to an earlier time when he knew he'd be accompanied by more people, say the discussion in Ten-Forward? Plenty of people around. Zorin would be in the brig and Kirk would still be happy messing around with green chicks in the Nexxus.
wkndsquire 11 months ago
@wkndsquire Nah he died a heroes death . And whatever you may think or say, at the end of the day , Picard and the TNG crew were worthy successors to the old crew and Kirk.
exorder2005 11 months ago 9
i dont understand why they cut that scene out of the movie, it woulda made that movie much more dramatic.
irontusk341 1 year ago 3
@irontusk341 Agreed. His death seemed too empty.
silvereagle2061 1 year ago 2
With the quality of footage it looks like Scotty, Chekov and Harriman have Admiral's gold braid under the black fasteners on their uniform jackets!
TRUMPER007 1 year ago
It's obvious Scotty and Chekov are last-minute substitutes for Spock and McCoy. The writers failed to have a real back-up plan for Nimoy and Kelley not appearing. The rewrite to swap characters is unfortunately superficial and rings false.
This scene was written to show Spock and McCoy as the survivors of a broken trinity. Scotty and Chekov can't fill in for that and we see enough of their reactions without this. Doohan and Koenig brought strong emotions but this wasn't where they belonged.
MagicAlDF 1 year ago
kirk never died. his body was beamed out buy the borg where they put nanites in his body and repaired the damage and made him a borg with a purpose "to kill jean luc picard.
Eventually the nanites were removed and he remained in the future to marry a half klingon half human woman and settled on a remote planet that is untill a Spock with a beard showed up along with Tiberius Kirk from the parallel universe and an opposite Katherine Janeway and Picard.
Illuminati10101 1 year ago
@Illuminati10101 In a book written by Shatner himself, and is not canon. He is dead in the original timeline and that's why Shatner didn't appear in the new Star Trek movie.
CaptainPimpSlap 1 year ago
@CaptainPimpSlap Yes what i quoted was written by Shatner it was a series of books that took place from the point Kirk Was killed,... Called,Perserver,Dark Victory, Avenger,Best Destiny,
Best Destiny was the follow up...
Illuminati10101 1 year ago
@Illuminati10101
He was very much dead. The Borg had to use nanites to revive him, then they had to use a copy of his memories to implant in him, then altered them. It was non-canon, anyway.
The woman in the beginning, she looks so familiar, and I can't place her. She vaguely looks like Keiko from later.
Draknfyre 1 year ago
@Draknfyre... The actresses name is Jacqueline Kim and her character was Captain Sulu's daughter, Demora. If she looks familiar, perhaps you have seen her as Rachel (in Threshold), or Amy Chen (in Courthouse). Keiko O'Brien was was played by a different actress, Rosalind Chao.
smartcooky99 11 months ago
the always seem to delete the parts that actually wouldove made the movie better...weird..
crazyknight2008 1 year ago
Ed Norton has always had those.. uncredited roles in good movies.. Speed(he was that tourist guy who whines about being at the airport(spoilers if you haven't seen it, sorry)) and in this movie..
Genku 1 year ago
Remember what Kirk said at the beginning of Star Trek 5? "I've always known...I'll die alone."
LoriCiani 1 year ago
That is sad, but I can't dismiss the thought that if it were Spock and Bones there, it would be simply heart rending.
Spock would try not to show that he cared Kirk was gone, and Bones, because of his own hurt, would lash out at him for not caring. Spock would have the last word, however, probably with one of those small expressions which Mr. Nimoy was so amazing at
It's actually kind of interesting. The first time Kirk isn't with Spock and Bones, he dies. :(
Shatner's Kirk > Pine's Kirk
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
Wow! That was a very "Cool" clip, but "Very Sad" at the same time............."William Shatner's-Captain James T. Kirk Forever!"
wlt777 1 year ago
Captain Harriman looks dumb because you gotta realize is standing in the presence of living legends. Its a lot easier to make Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov(sp?) look cooler by dumbing down the new captain.
Obrut00 1 year ago
@Obrut00 I see what you are saying but you have to admit he overplayed the dumbing a little too much. i think everyone watching was thinking, how the hell did he become a captain.
WillShakespeare2007 1 year ago
@Obrut00 That would NEVER work with Picard, and in fact it didn't happen!
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago
i read somewhere that harriman got the enterprise through his father who was a admiral
s1977spw2 1 year ago
The actress playing Sulus daughter at the helm could have also be the actor who plays Sulu in the new film - with a sex change.
Nash1a 1 year ago
I wish they'd kept some of that scene, it's very short, and we get some nice EMOTION in the movie--I love Picard, think he and Kirk are THE great captains of Trek (Sisko's both very good and very bad for the same reason, his temper and hard time containing himself, Janeway's a clueless cutthroat who worships the Prime Directive, and Archer's just clueless) but in this film, Kirk dies and...?
Bad writing, wait--did that Captain just say "Let's go home?" KIRK DIED, MAN! SHOW RESPECT FOR HIM!
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago 2
@obiwanobiwan13
LETS GO HOME BIATCH
fadu 1 year ago
SCOTTY...WE NEED MORE EMOTION...MORE EMOTION SCOTTY...
pufferfish75 1 year ago
@pufferfish75 "Captain! my mind can not take much more - she's packing quite a wallop!"
Trek001 7 months ago
Scotty's so damn condescending!! >:o
I'm sorry, it's just the hurt talking... T_T
UltimateDorito 1 year ago
weak
koeago 1 year ago
Should have left it.. The movie really could have used it..
knowpassword 1 year ago
Koening made this scene amazing
duesx187 1 year ago
I'm glad they cut this scene. It's pretty cornball.
theonlyrel 1 year ago 5
hahahaha "Lets go home" dumbass harriman
yellowpete79 1 year ago 5
Very effective, really (Although you'd think one of them would have mentioned how apt it was that he went out saving the "Enterprise")
MarcusSLazarus 2 years ago
That was so moving..
Phebes61 2 years ago
Yeah, I'd cut it too. The way it ended in the final cut was pretty damn good; this would have just padded out the shock factor.
ChibiGingi 2 years ago
@ChibiGingi
Shatner's ego is a force that CAN'T BE KILLED ! You can phaser it, dip it in anti - matter, It'll live on.
Wm. Shatner wrote some novels after Generations w / Kirk was brought back by some ( unlikely ) collaboration btwn Romulans & Borg.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
good they cutted this out
schnubbel76 2 years ago 4
It wouldn't have been cut if they were Spock and McCoy. It would have been cinematic histories biggest tear-jerker of all time.
Treemeadow 2 years ago
I think Spock would have broken Vulcan character and showed emotion for sure.
duskwalker2 2 years ago 3
Omg Spock Woulda Probly Gone Nuts Without He's Kirk
Just Like Kirk Did When he Died
Their Inceprable Brothers
MoriSempaisNeko 2 years ago
definitely......
mikethegent 2 years ago
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The real version would have had Jimmy Doohan sneaking up behind Shatner with a heavy prop and crushing "Kirk's" skull.
TiminPhoenix 2 years ago
I thought for a moment Scotty was going to hug Chekov.
Bartman954 2 years ago
I wonder just how much cut footage there is hidden away by paramount from all the movies. Just think of the boon that would be to the people making fan based films.
Urchinking 2 years ago 2
It was usually cut for good reason - this was just awful. Like the David/Saavik innuendo scene from ST2.
Danny77uk 2 years ago
I always thought that Captain Harriman (however you spell his last name) was a dope in this movie. Captain of the Enterprise B - the flagship - and he seemed like an idiot.
ThePhantom359 2 years ago 47
There is some (I believe non-canon) backstory that the Captain was the son of a highly respected admiral or something like that, so he was given the command because of his father rather than because of his command ability.
Uejji 2 years ago 3
Yeah, I think it was because of that that he had command while it was being built, so he was the "official" first captain, but it was known he wasn't really up to it.
Germany1111 2 years ago
@ThePhantom359 He was supposed to be the son of a distinguished admiral who got the job through nepotism rather than command ability.
duskwalker2 2 years ago
@ThePhantom359 and Kirk was any different?
AirsoftSteveCope 1 year ago
@ThePhantom359 Well that's what you get for making Ferris Bueller's buddy a starship captain...
Takeshi357 1 year ago 10
@ThePhantom359 Well, that was a recurring thing in TOS - to make Kirk look amazing, all the other captains had to be complete morons, cowards and lunatics. Wasn't until Picard that they featured another captain who wasn't a total fool.
jimbopumbapigsticks 10 months ago 2
@jimbopumbapigsticks Looking at "Yesterday's Enterprise" from TNG, Captain Garret seemed like an okay captain.
ThePhantom359 10 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks Commodore Wesley, commanding officer of the USS Lexington wasn't a moron, coward, or a lunatic. Despite being caught by surprise and outmaneuvered by the computer controlling Enterprise, Wesley got his ship away and wasn't filled with a blood rage to destroy the Enterprise when it was vulnerable. I'm pretty sure he was the only TOS "captain" that was given competence, skill, and wisdom besides Kirk.
BloodofPatriots 7 months ago
@ThePhantom359 You spelled "Harriman" right. And you're right! He IS a big dope.
Ffiti2 10 months ago
@ThePhantom359 There is a fanfiction story where he is going to be court martialed for the loss of Kirk, and kills himself
Trek001 8 months ago
@Trek001 That's probably the most plausible fanfic ever.
Bitemis 7 months ago
@ThePhantom359 He was an idiot. But he does get a back story in the extended universe which makes the character more tolerable. It could have been worse, i heard in early scripts he wasnt as fond of Kirk then he was in the final. Making him an asshole.
Neomac316 6 months ago
@ThePhantom359 That's what happens when you leave Cameron Frye in charge of things. Now if Ferris Bueller was in command, Kirk would never have died.
evrbody 5 months ago
@ThePhantom359 That's what happens when you leave Cameron Frye in charge of things. Now if Ferris Bueller was in command, Kirk would never have died.
evrbody 5 months ago
@evrbody I would have liked to see Mia Sara painted up green as an Orion Slave Girl.
BloodofPatriots 5 months ago
@BloodofPatriots Oh Yeah she had a brief nude scene in Time cop, Very nice tits.
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@ThePhantom359 That's what happens when you leave Cameron Frye in charge of things. Now if Ferris Bueller was in command, Kirk would never have died.
evrbody 5 months ago
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@ThePhantom359 That's what happens when you leave Cameron Frye in charge. Now if Ferris Bueller were the captain, Kirk would still be alive.
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@ThePhantom359 That's what happens when you leave Cameron Frye in charge. Now if Ferris Bueller were the captain, Kirk would still be alive.
evrbody 5 months ago
Can't agree with more/ he was a total moron...
diamondnynic 5 months ago
@ThePhantom359
Most people blame him for the death of Kirk.
spoonmonkey14 5 months ago
Shatner dedication in great new bio (All About Jeffrey Hunter) at amazon!
Bestmanme08 2 years ago
WOW! =O
DaddlerTheDalek 2 years ago
Omg. Chekov is crying! *huggles Chekov*
CordeliaDoyle 2 years ago 4
Chekov's reaction surprised me!
chibicelchan 2 years ago 2
I want to see Spock's reaction!
agent502 2 years ago 5
So do I!
artemislover23 2 years ago 2
u sorta do, in that new star trek movie...
spontaneoussam2 2 years ago
If it had been written better, I think it would have probably made the final cut.
burr1aj 2 years ago
Where is their real reaction?
artemislover23 2 years ago
I want to know too!!
agent502 2 years ago
It would have made a more interesting plot, If the enterprise-B itself was sucked in entirely into the nexus, not just Kirk, Scotty would not have been in the movie if they did.
So you could have the two era's of ships team up.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
That would have been cool, but Scotty wound up stuck in a transporter buffer sometime after this. Well actually, he got stuck in a downed ship without life support and put himself in the transport buffer with the remaining energy and remained there until the 24th century when the crew of the Enterprise-D found him. Look up the TNG episode "Relics"
palehorse864 2 years ago 2
Actually that could have been interesting. The Enterprise-B goes into the Nexus, fights it out alongside the D with Kirk, Chekov, and Scotty helping Picard, and then they all climb back aboard the Enterprise-B and use the time travel method they used in Star Trek 4 I believe to go back home.
In Relics, when they find Scotty and tell him they're from the Enterprise he thinks Kirk "hauled the old girl out of mothballls to find him" so Kirk being alive in their time would be better with canon.
palehorse864 2 years ago 4
What I thought was lacking in the movie was the dialogue between Kirk and Picard. Here was two starfleet cpatains of extremely different command styles and the scenes they were in together seemed so generic. There was so much that could have been done and should have been done in those scenes that wasn't.
DSmith99000 2 years ago
checkov needs a hug
jar0fdirt63 2 years ago 2
poor chekov!!
pixiepqueen 2 years ago 3
Was this a deleted scene?
Credithelper75 2 years ago
I don't know, maybe you should check the video title :S
Dougurasufilm 2 years ago
That was actually pretty shabby. Poorly written and acted. Good that they cut it.
ste309w 2 years ago
well enough acted, I think - but the writing... bleh.
hcvang 2 years ago 2
Glad it was cut off. Live long and prosper!
usergently 2 years ago
I still don't understand why this wasn't on the DVD as a deleted scene. Maybe it will be with the Blu-ray release.
whalers59 2 years ago
Them staring into space was FAR more powerful
SG1Mitchell 2 years ago 2
Deleted scene o rama!
optimus57 2 years ago
A moving video. It really empahsises the friendship between Scotty and Chekov.
MultiAfan 2 years ago 3
very cool
jamesm00769 2 years ago
Too contrieved. Too much of treating the audience like a simpleton. "All things.....must end lad." We're not thick!
Then the bridge officer or even Captain of the Enterprise B siomply says "Let's go home." Without a single acknowledgement of Kirk's bravery or career?
Too simply written though reasonalbly well acted.
ucdconnectq 2 years ago
should have kept the scene. It's a good scene... I understand things have to be cut for time sake... But this clip isnt very long =(
clipdan 3 years ago
I can understand why... while it's a nice scene, and adds character development, it doesn't really contribute to the core story.
compdude47 2 years ago
I wonder if Scotty had to hold back a large chuckle seeing that he didn't get along with Shatner :P
arridian 3 years ago 4
Its quite moving. I read in Walter Koening's book (Warped Factors) that he had just lost his brother in real life and used that emotion for the scene. Makes it more powerful I feel.
kenoftroy 3 years ago 29
@kenoftroy Poor Walter, first his brother, then his son...
translucentorb 1 year ago
Where did this cut scene come from? Obviously not the DVD. And if this even exists, why ISNT it on the DVD? It's a good scene.
lonstar70 3 years ago
Kirk meeting picard in the nexus is cool, show picard how to be a real captain and all. the nexus is cool. The only thing after watching generations is if someone or something is to kill Kirk it better be a god or a real villain not some nutjob wanting to go see his family again.
hoppers001 3 years ago
actually that nutjob wanted eternal life not just seeing his family the stakes couldn't have been higher
sondano 2 years ago
Kinda sad actually
thanks51 3 years ago
Nice out take, but the way it is in the film is much more effective dramatically.
captainarchernx01 3 years ago 3
Scotty forgot where he was hahahahahaha.
gopconservative78 3 years ago
There's one thing I noticed about this movie - it is one of the few occasions where even I notice a contradiction.
When Scotty was found by the Enterprise-D's crew, he was like "Oh, did the ol' Jim Kirk bring that ship back after all, just to rescue me?" (heavily paraphrased, of course x3), he was all "so, Kirk's still around, eh?"...
GeraldRobotnik 3 years ago
I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm thinking that the Scotty from that episode was from after ST6 but found his way back to his rightful time before Generations. Hey,it could happen.
thanks51 3 years ago
Yeah, though that would kinda have altered time, in a way... maybe we should just take into consideration that Generation was partially badly written. After all, Kirk and Picard could've gone further back in time and just prevent the destruction of Armagosa (and thus, in a sense, that of the Enterprise), too, whilst they were at it...
GeraldRobotnik 3 years ago
Generations was made after "Relics".
The contridiction can be explained - of course - by the fact that Scotty was in the transporter for 70 plus years so memory may be confused
Trek001 3 years ago
That, or too much scotch. xD;
GeraldRobotnik 3 years ago 2
He probably just assumed that Kirk found a way out of whatever it was. Stranger things have happened; why does nobody think of this!
Zebonka 3 years ago
Actually it comes from the fact that Star Trek has a habit of ignoring a lot of timeline and episode info from previous shows.
olivemike81 2 years ago
They kind of explained it in one of the books - I think it was one of the ones Shatner wrote where Kirk is reanimated by the Borg. They addressed it but I can't remember what their explanation was.
Equus911 2 years ago
I can see why this didn't make it into the movie. Kirk's death speaks for itself, and doesn't need his friends wallowing in it.
ThSlayer 3 years ago
Kirk should have been killed off (if they wanted to do so so bad) in a regular movie with the original cast.
CalgarSkull 3 years ago
WHY edit that out?
WHY?
obiwanobiwan13 3 years ago
Time, pacing, story progression. This sceane is totally not necessary unless you are a Pavel fan.
wormbaby79 3 years ago
so much unused potential in this one film
Quixotic1018 3 years ago 3
No kidding. It seemed forced and too some degree poorly written. An example of Berman losing his zeal for the franchise. The Nexus plot device asks the question: did Picard and Kirk actually go back to the planet Veridian 3 or was their stopping Soren just another Nexus fantasy? Vague even by Trek standards.
thanks51 3 years ago
And the whole "going back" thing was kind of contrived; if they could go back to whenever, Picard could have just gone back to when Soren was on the Enterprise-D and had him confined to the brig. No need for the Enterprise to be destroyed, no reason for Kirk to die.
Equus911 2 years ago 2
yeah but he could've brought kirk with him
greenpenguino 2 years ago
What if they never really escaped the Nexus? That would mean the Next Gen Enterprise-D just blew up with the planet and Picard just goes back in time within his own personal reality thanks to the Nexus. First Contact and Nemesis would never have happened in the real world.. just Picard's nexus :)
Khrome1 2 years ago
tech thats what happend. If you go by what this movie established about the Nexus. I mean, it doesnt effect the space outside of it, just that time has no meaning INSIDE of it. Kinda crasy if you think about it. But alas....this movie made no sense anyways so why should it follow its own logic. Picard escaped the nexus ect ect.
johnkerry7 2 years ago
damn shame this was edited out, could have a been a really powerful moment with music especially.
great1138 3 years ago
Why didn't those tossers put this and the 'new uniform' deleted scene on any of the DVD releases?! "Special Edition" indeed...
Splazz 3 years ago
We might actually have gotten to feel SAD about Kirk getting killed if this scene had been left in!
bloodrunsclear 3 years ago 4
Generations is a great example of why you need to get the script right first, THEN go into production!!
TheEverTwistedOne 3 years ago 4
I don't think we lost anything by not having this scene in the movie. It just doesn't have the emotional impact that you got, for example, when Spock died. Speaking of Spock, it should've been our favorite Vulcan and Dr. McCoy on the Enterprise-B with Kirk. I get why it wasn't, but still...
angelus4282 3 years ago
DeForrest Kelly's health wasn't doing so good when this movie came out, Lenard Nemoy declined to appear for some reason.
DarwinwasWrong 3 years ago
Correct on both counts. If I recall, the story goes that Nimoy declined because he felt it would be creatively unsatisfying to make what amounts to a token appearance. DeForest Kelley not being able to do it was also a factor. Thus, the lines that were intended for Spock and McCoy went to Scotty and Chekov (Indeed... why else would Chekov, in one scene, be recruiting two people to be nurses?)
angelus4282 3 years ago
What's even more strange is that I can imagine those scenes with Spock and McCoy instead of Scotty and Chekov. Wierd huh?
DarwinwasWrong 3 years ago
I thought the same thing about Chekov recruiting nurses. But with two "lesser" characters flanking Kirk, it did make Kirk more central to the plot. I haven't given up on seeing the good captain on the big screen again. Good writing is everything.
thanks51 3 years ago
They messed up so much of this movie... They couldn't even make a decent trailer for it if memory serves it was a mash up of battle clips from TNG. I mean it's kinda sad you listen to the director's commentary for this and the whole time they are making fun of it and talking about how they are cheap asses who couldn't get anything done in time. to make matters worse the original end of the movie had Kirk getting shot in the back for his death! Plus they blew up the Enterprise-D my baby!
animeownage86 3 years ago 3
I absolutely agree. I've never been sadisfied with the generations movie. It just doesn't feel "right" in every single minute. If they only would allow the fans to make a Fan-cut and trying to reproduce and reshoot scenes. I mean you can't get it more worse than it is now.
KRAFTWERK2K6 3 years ago
I actually like it the Nexus was a brilliant idea and it makes you think whether you would blow up a planet to earn eternal healthy life
sondano 2 years ago
The central point of the revelations about the Nexus at the end was that it was fundamentally hollow; it could give you your heart's desire, but it couldn't give you what you REALLY wanted.
As Kirk realised himself, in the end, nothing there was real
MarcusSLazarus 2 years ago
Albion432-
You are so right! Where did you find this?Does anyone happen to have a copy for I would like to see it! Alas,I feel short changed not seeing it!
dxearlmarc 3 years ago
LAcked emotion. I just didn't "feel" anything when watching it -- and I should, it's Kirk commrades there. I say good thing it was cut. Could certainly have been handled better, and not filled with at least three cliched lines.
tharpdevenport 3 years ago
Thanks for uploading this!
Sigh! I would like so much to see Shatner in the new film! And I agree with UCRDOGS: it's science fiction, I don't believe it would be so difficult to get back Kirk!
annafrancesca1 3 years ago
Its a shame this scene was cut.
We never saw anyone from the original crew mourning Kirk's death...
Maybe in the new movie we see some mourning from Spock...?
tvTrequer 3 years ago 2
Thanks for posting. I have never seen this clip! Still do not see why Kirk could not be included in the new movie with Spock as bookends to the early life stories. shatner even said anything could be done....This is all science fiction..
UCRDOGS 3 years ago
But Shatner also refused to do a cameo, if statements can be believed and I for my part don't want to see "Star Trek: The Search for Kirk" even as much as I think all the characters are important to the whole.
And thanks for uploading this. I can only agree with others that this should have been in the film.
leony331 3 years ago
This should have been included, but Branan and Braga couldn't be bothered to keep anything meaningful or believable, especially from an original cast member. Sickening...
thisismedgr 3 years ago 2
''i never thought it would end like this''
yeah tell me about it
henkman00 3 years ago
'i never thought it would end like this...'
you and me both!
bedpit 3 years ago 3
my goodness...im moved. no really.
this is what this movie and Kirk's death missed...emotion.
after 14 years Generations still borders me, they killed of James Kirk..in a poor way and it dint even mean anything too the story.
these two guys are great. the best scene in the movie...and it wasnt even in it.
henkman00 3 years ago
Agree on all points...
joeyvader 3 years ago
where did you get this it's not in the collecter edition?
UFO721 3 years ago
I often wondered how Chekov and Scotty reacted after Kirks "death"!! The answer might be difficult: Those men had a life full of dangers - each day could have been the last for one or all of them..for years and years!! Then one of them is gone from one moment to another. Somehow they always had to "know" that it would be like this one day!! But I guess it`s still a shocking and unspeakable sad moment! They should have kept the scene in the movie!!
ShadowCompany01 3 years ago
If you can find the hardcover book of Generations, you can read about how all the others found out about Kirks death. CheKov notifies sulu first by telling him "the Captain" is dead, and sulu thinks he means the capt of enterprise b, then chekov says no, "THE CAPTAIN" , and Sulu instantly knows what he means, very touching and sad to read. I was also very disappointed n this movie, what a waste to have the old and new together and make such a crapfest. A real waste.
nealnc07 3 years ago 2
God i hope Harriman got beaten by the paparazzi when they got home
Spartanz1170 3 years ago
checov: i never thought it would end like this"
lol you and me both
Ghostface1119 3 years ago 2