@DavidSunshine867 I think the problem is that I didn't replace the thermal paste, and therefore not making a connection. It works fine now randomly however, so I'm not complaining lol
yeah the problem with infected xboxex if i can say infected with Rrod problem is you can fix it by heating it and by changing the heatsink past !!! it will get the 3 lighs blinking at you again if you play with it in a hot place !
so yeah if dont have an extra cooling stuff for it just dont play with it in the summer !
This is BS sorry, way too much work. The ram sinks are unnecissary. The problem with the xbox is that the system cant breathe due to the venting design of the enclosure . Towel trick the system, the do the bolt and rubber washer mod to the heatsinks the uses no x clamp. Then open up the metal enclosure and dremel out the main intake grating on the non HDD end and the grating behind the fans. Then make sure the xbox is never in a standing position when running. RROD gone for forever.
Don't be sorry, I agree that it's BS and a LOT of work, it's BS that it overheads the way it does as well.
But such is the nature of FAST video cards and fast video card memory.
The reason why the video card memory has heat sink thermal pads on them are to cool them, adding heat sinks on there will help cool them more than required, it's OVERKILL for sure.
Totally agree that all you need is to towel trick, and keep it cool with the easy methods as you mentioned.
In summary, after using the overheating towel trick to get rid of the RROD.
Simply lay down the xbox and make sure it's got proper cooling. NEVER stand it up, you're blocking the bottom INTAKE holes.
Lay it down sideways, and I would actually take computer fans, hook it up to a 12VDC adaptor and blow air into the bottom of it, opposite the hard drive.
You don't need to actually modify or open up anything.
This is also a good way of preventing the RROD before you ever get it.
New heatsinks with more cooling capacity would be best, ya.
The main problem with this one was probably the VRAM, which the VRAM heatsinks took care of.
The CPU and GPU could use new heatsinks, but if you use arctic silver 5 or better, the stock heatsinks will cool much more efficiently, keep the case ventilated and it will be more than enough to keep it working properly.
@DavidSunshine867 I got the old ones and the new heatsinks I sold my xbox 360 I got it from my teacher for $60 dollars I sold it for $75 I look inside of it on the gpu it had the old heatsink and on the cpu it had the new heatsink I had that 360 for 6 months I had another one was working good until the dvd drive went on me then I couldn't fix it you can't win with the 360 that is why I am saveing money for a ps3 slim.
@DavidSunshine867 yeah my old xbox 360 the mothboard works great I got the new heatsinks still and the screws only thing I need is a fan and a dvd drive that will work.
To help ease the folks at home that LOVE this video and the 2 songs that are obviously driving people nuts.. With the help of my Android phone I have found the artist and title to the both tracks.
Hey, YES definitely, what we did here was OVERKILL to say the least, but you know what they say, GO BIG OR GO HOME! haha.
But ya, if you provide airflow into the bottom, you're helping the cooling by a lot. The INTAKE is opposite of the hard drive, most people stand it up on this and block the airflow, causing OVERHEATING.
By simply laying it down, the intake will probably work well enough to keep it safely cooled. You save $20 or so.
Also, you must understand the basics of ventilation.
"Air changes per minute" is the number you want to increase. That is, given a rate, volume, and time, you can calculate the air changes per minute, not required, just try to get the CFM up.
The 2 fans already provide a certain output CFM, let's say it's 5CFM, if the cooling station provides 5CFM or less, you're doing almost NOTHING. If you provide 8-10CFM, then you're actually doing some good.
I just did a quick google on it, it seems that people have the opinion that it doesn't help, or makes matters worse.
Based on that, I'd say that they don't provide more than the 5CFM, therefore, reducing the cooling of other parts of the console and causing a hot spot there, it could cause MORE damage than good.
I would say the best thing to do is lay it down, make sure the intake and exhaust is clear, and that'll allow air to enter the xbox from all sides, allowing for even cooling.
hmmm....... i did this and when i was on the drilling metal part i some how split it in half and i to glue it back together and i fucked up th mother board thingy too lol
Damn, that sucks man, sorry to hear that. For the drilling, you gotta drill pilot holes, and then increment size from there. You must be pretty strong to have pushed down on it hard enough to split it in half!! It's a pretty strong metal case!
How'd you screw up the motherboard too? Well, any damage to the motherboard is proabably too severe for repair. Time for a new xbox I guess!
You don't need them, it's overkill. Just use arctic silver CPU thermal paste and it should keep it cool enough, and allow adequate air flow.
It's been 2 months so you've probably fixed it or given up.
But for others, you can use cooling kits made for Radeon and Geforce video cards, they use the same 8 Vmem chips, since the xbox is just a computer with an integrated video card.
hey instead of doing oll oh this can i just make a masiive hole in the back of the xbox 360 and attach a fan on the back and maybe a extra one on the front
Actually, that's a good idea. It's basically what I do with my tower computer, just leave the side case off. It allows room temperature air to get in there, and it gets the air almost to room temp, which is ideal. If you can do the same with the big holes in your case, then that's the best you can do.
The Vmem chips on the back would be a problem though, but if you got a big hole there, you could just use heatsyncs.
A hole on the top would allow for a lot of airflow though.
If you keep the CPU/GPU heatsinks off, and unplug the fan, put a light towel overtop, it should overheat within minutes, 2-5mins probably. It shouldn't take too long.
Can't say. I've never sent it back, neither have my friends.
Knowing big companies, I would guess 1 month to 3 months average. Microsoft might be on the lower end, but you never know, customer service has never been a big company's strong point.
Yes, you certainly can, with all electronics you run that risk. The capacitors in there can and will hold voltage, and could discharge into you, which would hurt a lot, and in very rare cases, cause cardiac arrest through electricution. Be careful and work safe around electricity.
What is the point of the arctic silver? Is it used to hold the cpu and gpu in place. And, does it have to be arctic silver? Or can it be another thermal epoxy? THX
Arctic Silver Thermal Compound should be used between all heatsinks between GPUs and CPUs, the heatsink should have mechanical holds that secure it, NOT glue.
Don't use Arctic Silver Epoxy, that's a glue, and should only be used to glue on GPU heatsinks.
You can use different brands of thermal compound and thermal adhesive, it doesn't have to be Arctic Silver.
The version we have is the Xenon, 90nm CPU and GPU, it uses 16.5A or so.
The Arcade is probably the Falcon, with a 65nm CPU and 90nm GPU, it should use about 14.5A. If that's the case, you're less likely to have a RROD, but still could happen.
The best is the Jasper, 65nm CPU/GPU, and only 12.5A.
Check the back of your Xbox and see how many amps it draws, then you can tell how likely you'll get the RROD.
You should add extra cooling, I'd just put some fans blowing into the grills.
Haha, if you mean most people don't have a drill and large enough drill bit, then yes, most people don't have a drill bit as big as mine. But you can always add the silver compound and add fans that blow into the grill, that'll help cool the inside significantly.
It probably won't be worth it. It'll probably be more work to ship it back and forth than for you to actually fix it yourself. Or buy a new arcade xbox for $200 bucks.
You should give it a shot, try to fix it yourself, it's fun in itself!
Ya, it's sort of confusing if you've never used thermal compound on a CPU heatsink, or used thermal adhesive for video memory heat sinks. It's an art in itself to apply arctic silver. If you go to arctic silver's website, they have an entire page dedicated to showing you how to properly clean and apply the arctic silver 5, and also how to use their 2 part thermal adhesive(epoxy). After that, it's just taking it apart and putting it back together pretty much.
Hahah, nice. Ya, the only way to really fix it is buy the new xbox version, jasper. then buy buy problems! since it's got 65nm gpu/cpu, it won't overheating anymore buy reducing power usage and thus heat production so buy doing that you'll have a stable xbox!
Yes, overheating only crashes the system and sets it into an error state, it usually doesn't corrupt any hard drive data, though that's a slight possibility, I wouldn't worry about it, it didn't mess up any game data for our xbox.
Yup, you see how we got our xbox working after overheating it? You can do the same thing by wrapping it in a towel. The only problem with this is that you're REALLY overheating the entire system, which could break a lot more than fix. In our case, only the CPU/GPU overheated, the system noticed this and went into thermal protection mode so it wouldn't burn out the processors. A lot of people used the towel trick with success though, so you might be ok.
Make sure that while you operate your xbox, it's not standing straight up and down, that'll block the air intake on the bottom, which is the major opening for cooling air. Did you overheat while it was standing straight up and down? If you operate the xbox laying down, with a small 80mm computer fan blowing into the opening, you'll probably never overheat again. Run the fan off a 12VDC AC adaptor, you could use a 120mm fan too, or two 80mm, whatever you have. They're only $3 each, on sale.
i baked the system for like an hour and a half and it never went into protection mode. while it was baking i read a thing that said i was just melting the internal chips so i shut it off. and now im gunna see what happens. reply back with any advise
If you have both heatsinks on, with no fan installed, you won't damage the GPU or CPU because the thermal protection will engage once the core temps go above a set threshold.
If you use the towel method, then you could overheat something in there, the DVD or motherboard.
I put the cover on top of the xbox, and a towel overtop(Not wrapped around it, you only want the cores to reach the threshold, not the entire thing), it only took 6 minutes to overheat.
If you still have the RROD after overheating the CPU/GPU, then your RROD might be caused by something else, such as burnt out video memory, chipset, ram, etc. If it's a hardware failure of that sort, you won't be able to fix it by overheating. You might as well try everything to get it working though.
i do not have ring of death anymore. but i am still a bit worried about the internal parts. how long does this work?(iv heard it only works for about a week)
RROD comes up while gaming, as a system freeze/crash.
There are no certain answers, people have claimed that the overheating causes chips to desolder themselves, but for the chip to overheat enough to melt the solder, it would have to burn itself out. Basically, we've come to conclude that it's overheating, either the GPU/CPU/Vmem/Chipset/etc. We've added cooling to the GPU/vmem, and the xbox has not overheat since. For our case, that worked, it may not for everyone.
Oh, this xbox is pretty old, so it's probably a Falcon version of the xbox.
I saw a picture of the GPU that could be the 65nm (Jasper) version, ours doesn't look like that, so this xbox being modded is probably the 90nm GPU, which runs hotter.
Jasper was made to reduce costs and probably try to fix the GPU overheating RROD. Hopefully that's what happened.
My references.
Google for this to find out more: Xenon/Zephyr/Falcon/Opus/Jasper/Valhalla
Hmm, your CPU heatsink looks different from mine. Mine's just one big aluminum piece, no copper brackets. Maybe it's because your Xbox is a Pro version and mine is Arcade. I used OCZ freeze paste- though I didn't polish the chips as well as you did. Maybe I have to redo that...One thing I didn't try is letting it sit for 10 minutes until the two red lights show up. I didn't think about stress-testing the Xbox to get it to work.
Oh, the copper pipes are called "heat pipes", they pull heat away from the CPU faster. Not sure if this is the pro version, I think it's just a revision higher than yours, yours must have been purchased a long time ago.
But ya, if you didn't clean the CPU and heatsink to a polished shine, your heat transfer will be very poor. Mixing the OCZ paste with the stuff on there is very bad.
Ya, overheating it resets it. AKA the famous towel trick, but it does work, strangely enough.
it doesnt matter if it is pro or arcade it depends on your dvd drive you probably have a benq drive and your it is a falcon his it is a samsung 28 and it is not a falcon. it is the older version of the 360
yea kind of cuz if you have a premium console that has an hitachi driva you will have the cpu heatsink whit the copper heat pipe like older versions f 360. then if you have a premium whit a benq drvi you will have the aluminium cpu heatsink.(pd. this two version of drives come whit hdmi and whit the new gpu heatsink) you have the older versions of premium 360 whit the normal cpu andthe normal gpu heatsink any questions. ask me
So we've got the Falcon, which has dropped the CPU from 90nm to 65nm, so it runs cooler, and we have the 90nm GPU though, so it runs hot compared to the Jasper, which has the 65nm CPU and GPU upgrades.
We have the heat pipes on the CPU heatsink, but not the GPU heatsink like the Japser does, I just read a post talking about the heat pipe on the jasper GPU, someone wanted to cut it off! Haha, that's like half the cooling capacity!
It doesn't really take that much brain power, just a lot of tools/materials: a few hours, a drill, drill bits, hex drivers, screw drivers, thermal adhesive, AC5, heatsinks, and some willingness to mod.
You're right, this isn't a job for all, only those who like to mod and DIY with computers. Anybody who mods their computers can mod their xbox to make it better.
If you send it back, they won't add cooling the video-memory chips, so you'll still risk instability.
If you still have warrantee, it's probably best to use that until it runs out, if you don't have warrantee, this is a great mod that could potentially give life to a paperweight, as it has done for the xbox in this video.
I would hate to see someone throw away their xbox because it's got the RROD and no warantee; hopefully this video helps fix a few out there.
That's actually what happened to mine. I was in Iraq and mine had the red rings. I tried to be Mr. Fix It and ended up voiding my warranty. I am not all that electronically inclined. I ended up just throwing it away cuz I didn't know what else to do with it.
What would you suggest? Xbox or PS3? I am gonna get another one but I am undecided on which console to get.
If you were serving in Iraq for your country, they should have sent you a replacement ASAP!
That's too bad yours couldn't be fixed. But ya, I think if sending it back isn't worth it, opening it up yourself is a good last ditch effort to get it working, so at least you tried.
The PS3 isn't bad since it lets you rent blueray disks, but some games like NFS undercover runs really slow. So I'd be undecided as well, depends on what you want in terms of games/blueray I guess.
that xbox is soon gonna het the rrod again. Because de gpu heatsink is the cause of hardware failling not the memory chips. And you also made de gpu heatsink smaller so you kinda screwed your xbox.
Thanks for the criticism, it's always good to question what has been done, since it leads to the methodology of our modifications.
First off, the Xbox uses similar technology as computer video cards, with that in mind, you'll notice all the high performance 3d graphics cards have cooling for both the GPU and Video Memory. The xbox also follows that practice on the back 4 v-mems by using the thermal pads. If they didn't put them there, the memory would overheat and cause a crash/freeze.
If they didn't know it would crash, they would have never spent the time and money to have those thermal pads installed. If they cost 40 cents to install, they would be spending $400,000 to install them on 1 million units. So we know that they're required for proper operation. Of course they wouldn't spend 80 cents to use high performance materials. They just use the bare minimum, which is why, after time, the thermal pads' efficiency drops, and causes overheating.
We must give sirbamalot credit for his fix of this problem. sirbamalot's 8 penny fix works because the brass/copper pennies transfer heat away from the v-mems into the case, after doing that, he doens't have overheating problems. So it has been proven that the v-mems overheating does in fact cause the RROD. (In Canada, use pennies that are dated 1993 or prior, they are made of copper and conduct heat much better than the newer brass pennies.)
Now, the reasoning behind cutting the GPU is simple, we NEEDED to cool all 8 v-mem chips. The reason why the xbox engineers didn't cool the ones on top was simple, saving $10 in cooling equipment saves them $10,000,000 per 1,000,000 units. They can get away with not cooling them since there's airflow, but again, it's bare minimum, so adding cooling capacity will ensure v-mem stability.
The GPU heatsink has been compromised, but since it's off to the side, it has a minimal affect.
Even though 15% of the heatsink has been removed, approx. 90% of the heat dissipation occurs directly over the GPU's die, that's because heat conducts like radiation, from center outwards, dropping exponentially with distance, since the part we cut off is about 2cm away, the amount of dissipation is probably in the ball park figure of .15*.1= 1.5%. The exact amount can be calculated with computer modelling, but it would definitely be less than %15.
The die/aluminum heatsink/airflow also play a role in cooling, but as experience shows, using arctic silver can drop the core temp by a few degrees, that more than makes up for the small section of GPU heatsink removed. That was the reasoning behind cutting out that section.
In the end, the GPU is much cooler, and all the video memory chips are running cooler.
As for the results, the xbox has been running very stable.
Some other things to consider: The airflow coming into the bottom of the xbox is essential to cooling everything else inside the system. The DVD drive, mosfets, northbridge(equivalent that is) all need a lot of cooling. I've been thinking that making a base with a fan pushing air into the xbox would help it's stability and increase it's lifetime. By making that ventilation box, you might not even need to mod the inside cooling components.
Hey, most people don't have drills and drill bits, or even torx bits, but you should have access to those tools through someone you know. There must be someone with a garage full of tools.
At minimum, you should put arctic silver heatsink compound between the GPU/CPU and heatsinks.
You don't neccessarily have to put heatsinks on the v-memory, but it's highly recommended, considering all computer video cards have them cooled, either by way of an entire heatsink, or seperate ones.
Working effortlessly afte 50 hrs, 3 intense sessions. his shit realy seems to be doing the job. We went this far because we wanted it fixed for the rest of its life. I wouldnt doubt it if MS often just bakes your unit for you. Not always but more often than you might think. Talk about easy money for them. Ill post back on how longit lasts
Thanx man mah well modified xbox got this and I was gutted but just the overheating works for 1 and 1/2 weeks so thang slot man :)
PhycoSquirrel 3 months ago
What if after this it overheats just maybe 3 or 4 seconds after starting?
Note: All I did was clean the thermal paste off and take the dust out.
I get 2 red ring sections.
zarconeus 4 months ago
@zarconeus
That's weird, so you overheat it and get 2 red sections, but after 3 or 4 seconds of turning it on you don't get 4 green sections?
Everytime I've baked it, it's come back to life until it overheats again, overheating takes a while, since it's actually overheating.
If it gets the RROD within seconds, then it's hardware error/damage.
Or maybe a connector could be half plugged in? Maybe take it apart and reassemble, if it does exactly the same thing, you might have to send it in.
DavidSunshine867 3 months ago
@DavidSunshine867 I think the problem is that I didn't replace the thermal paste, and therefore not making a connection. It works fine now randomly however, so I'm not complaining lol
zarconeus 3 months ago
great music chose
1111111111111111nick 4 months ago
now that's how you keep people watching the video the way you guys did it alsome
1111111111111111nick 4 months ago
@1111111111111111nick
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!
DavidSunshine867 4 months ago
DAMN
lifelongappollo 5 months ago
yeah the problem with infected xboxex if i can say infected with Rrod problem is you can fix it by heating it and by changing the heatsink past !!! it will get the 3 lighs blinking at you again if you play with it in a hot place !
so yeah if dont have an extra cooling stuff for it just dont play with it in the summer !
just in a cold winter days !:
coldlmy1 6 months ago
two guys just to open the xbox !!!
huh i guess microsoft is strong enough !LOL
coldlmy1 6 months ago
just change the rrod lights with green ones and then sell it to someone and buy another xbox lol
Dizmapler170 1 year ago
@Dizmapler170
Haha, that is one possible solution indeed...
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
All songs used:
1 - Kim Lucas "To Be You (Okkio)"
2 - Zion And Lennox "Bandida"
3 - Deborah Harry - Rush Rush (Scarface Album)
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
What is the first melodi..:D?
eduardgordo 1 year ago
This is BS sorry, way too much work. The ram sinks are unnecissary. The problem with the xbox is that the system cant breathe due to the venting design of the enclosure . Towel trick the system, the do the bolt and rubber washer mod to the heatsinks the uses no x clamp. Then open up the metal enclosure and dremel out the main intake grating on the non HDD end and the grating behind the fans. Then make sure the xbox is never in a standing position when running. RROD gone for forever.
fizzak 1 year ago
@fizzak
Don't be sorry, I agree that it's BS and a LOT of work, it's BS that it overheads the way it does as well.
But such is the nature of FAST video cards and fast video card memory.
The reason why the video card memory has heat sink thermal pads on them are to cool them, adding heat sinks on there will help cool them more than required, it's OVERKILL for sure.
Totally agree that all you need is to towel trick, and keep it cool with the easy methods as you mentioned.
Thanks for sayingit
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
@DavidSunshine867 well it may be over kill for the newer ones but i got the orginal 360 over heat kings even after fix damn
1111111111111111nick 4 months ago
@1111111111111111nick
Ya, they are pretty bad with heat management, just need to keep the damn thing cool and it's good tho!
DavidSunshine867 4 months ago
@fizzak
In summary, after using the overheating towel trick to get rid of the RROD.
Simply lay down the xbox and make sure it's got proper cooling. NEVER stand it up, you're blocking the bottom INTAKE holes.
Lay it down sideways, and I would actually take computer fans, hook it up to a 12VDC adaptor and blow air into the bottom of it, opposite the hard drive.
You don't need to actually modify or open up anything.
This is also a good way of preventing the RROD before you ever get it.
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
what kind of screw driver do you use totake of the metal cover?
BLUExHORSE 1 year ago
@BLUExHORSE
Don't remember. Maybe it was torx?
DavidSunshine867 7 months ago
i done this and mines still has rrod
zCmcD 1 year ago
@zCmcD
If the overheating doesn't bring you out of the RROD, you might be out of luck. Did you try to overheat it with the towel method?
I was successful with heatsinks on, without fans, and a towel over top.
Overheated until to lights changed.
How did you overheat and for how long did you try for?
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
why keep those heatsinks and the x-clamps that is why it is getting the rrod you need get the new heatsinks and screws
Tylerstoessel 1 year ago
@Tylerstoessel
New heatsinks with more cooling capacity would be best, ya.
The main problem with this one was probably the VRAM, which the VRAM heatsinks took care of.
The CPU and GPU could use new heatsinks, but if you use arctic silver 5 or better, the stock heatsinks will cool much more efficiently, keep the case ventilated and it will be more than enough to keep it working properly.
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
@DavidSunshine867 I got the old ones and the new heatsinks I sold my xbox 360 I got it from my teacher for $60 dollars I sold it for $75 I look inside of it on the gpu it had the old heatsink and on the cpu it had the new heatsink I had that 360 for 6 months I had another one was working good until the dvd drive went on me then I couldn't fix it you can't win with the 360 that is why I am saveing money for a ps3 slim.
Tylerstoessel 1 year ago
@Tylerstoessel
I agree, can't win with it, just fix it best you can and save up for the ps3.
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
@DavidSunshine867 yeah my old xbox 360 the mothboard works great I got the new heatsinks still and the screws only thing I need is a fan and a dvd drive that will work.
Tylerstoessel 1 year ago
@Tylerstoessel
That sucks man, too bad the drive broke. I wish they used higher quality parts, as does everyone else!!
DavidSunshine867 1 year ago
@DavidSunshine867 yup
Tylerstoessel 1 year ago
im to much of a dumbass to do this, i would just have to ask someone to do it for me
rssucksnow 1 year ago
To help ease the folks at home that LOVE this video and the 2 songs that are obviously driving people nuts.. With the help of my Android phone I have found the artist and title to the both tracks.
1-Kim Lucas "To Be You (Okkio)"
2-Zion And Lennox "Bandida"
MyrtleBoi 2 years ago
Thanks MyrtleBoi, I'm sure lots of people will appreciate that!!!
Good job,
Cheers.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Hey, I just use my iPhone with Shazam and found the RUSH RUSH song at the end too:
Deborah Harry - Rush Rush (Scarface Album)
That's a cool song!
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Could i do this to prevent the rrod
cayman1230195 2 years ago
have a question do u thinking buying a cooling station would works as well as drilling holes in the frame and in the case of the xbox?
gapkwan88 2 years ago
Hey, YES definitely, what we did here was OVERKILL to say the least, but you know what they say, GO BIG OR GO HOME! haha.
But ya, if you provide airflow into the bottom, you're helping the cooling by a lot. The INTAKE is opposite of the hard drive, most people stand it up on this and block the airflow, causing OVERHEATING.
By simply laying it down, the intake will probably work well enough to keep it safely cooled. You save $20 or so.
But if the cooler is good, it may be worth $20.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Also, you must understand the basics of ventilation.
"Air changes per minute" is the number you want to increase. That is, given a rate, volume, and time, you can calculate the air changes per minute, not required, just try to get the CFM up.
The 2 fans already provide a certain output CFM, let's say it's 5CFM, if the cooling station provides 5CFM or less, you're doing almost NOTHING. If you provide 8-10CFM, then you're actually doing some good.
You should do some research first.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
I just did a quick google on it, it seems that people have the opinion that it doesn't help, or makes matters worse.
Based on that, I'd say that they don't provide more than the 5CFM, therefore, reducing the cooling of other parts of the console and causing a hot spot there, it could cause MORE damage than good.
I would say the best thing to do is lay it down, make sure the intake and exhaust is clear, and that'll allow air to enter the xbox from all sides, allowing for even cooling.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
wow guys, you rock! unfortunately i cant send my 360 to you koz i am from greece!! :(.
therock19941 2 years ago
hmmm....... i did this and when i was on the drilling metal part i some how split it in half and i to glue it back together and i fucked up th mother board thingy too lol
ILoveFuckingCows 2 years ago
Damn, that sucks man, sorry to hear that. For the drilling, you gotta drill pilot holes, and then increment size from there. You must be pretty strong to have pushed down on it hard enough to split it in half!! It's a pretty strong metal case!
How'd you screw up the motherboard too? Well, any damage to the motherboard is proabably too severe for repair. Time for a new xbox I guess!
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
actually worked for me i just put new thermal base liquid stuff on the CPU's.
monkeyassproductions 2 years ago
Cool, good to hear, ya that's all you need.
Also, you should get some computer fans and blow air into the bottom, otherwise the air inside the xbox is still hot.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
i wonder if u can give me a msn? or sumthing so i can chat with you.
monkeyassproductions 2 years ago
where do you get the vram heat sinks? I check ebay and cant find it.
ydeardorff 2 years ago
You don't need them, it's overkill. Just use arctic silver CPU thermal paste and it should keep it cool enough, and allow adequate air flow.
It's been 2 months so you've probably fixed it or given up.
But for others, you can use cooling kits made for Radeon and Geforce video cards, they use the same 8 Vmem chips, since the xbox is just a computer with an integrated video card.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
how much did you spend for all the
stuff??
if you dont mind
DarkBlue0022 2 years ago
If you don't have AC5, it'll be $6.
The heatsinks we used were the best money can buy, they're about $16.
The AC epoxy was $12.
If you have all these things as spares for your computer, it would be pretty cheap.
The tools used to drillout the holes were about $300+. Hahahah.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
hey instead of doing oll oh this can i just make a masiive hole in the back of the xbox 360 and attach a fan on the back and maybe a extra one on the front
skatebiz09 2 years ago
that wouldnt help very much.
ppp9922 2 years ago
Actually, that's a good idea. It's basically what I do with my tower computer, just leave the side case off. It allows room temperature air to get in there, and it gets the air almost to room temp, which is ideal. If you can do the same with the big holes in your case, then that's the best you can do.
The Vmem chips on the back would be a problem though, but if you got a big hole there, you could just use heatsyncs.
A hole on the top would allow for a lot of airflow though.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
how long will it take to get rrod?
gotlandman95 2 years ago
If you keep the CPU/GPU heatsinks off, and unplug the fan, put a light towel overtop, it should overheat within minutes, 2-5mins probably. It shouldn't take too long.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
how long does it usually take for microsoft to send back your xbox?
nugerocks 2 years ago
Can't say. I've never sent it back, neither have my friends.
Knowing big companies, I would guess 1 month to 3 months average. Microsoft might be on the lower end, but you never know, customer service has never been a big company's strong point.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
mine took 1 week.... it really depends on were you live and how many xbox360's the repair center in Texas have on their hands
adriannunez99 2 years ago
will i get electricuted in the process?
nugerocks 2 years ago
Yes, you certainly can, with all electronics you run that risk. The capacitors in there can and will hold voltage, and could discharge into you, which would hurt a lot, and in very rare cases, cause cardiac arrest through electricution. Be careful and work safe around electricity.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
hey so all i can find is 12.1A
wut does that mean??
NaiIYourCasket 2 years ago
That's probably the Jasper. The voltages I stated were from forums and other people's opinions.
That sounds like the low powered Jasper though, get one, it'll probably run cooler than the older models. Where'd you find it?
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Lol nice i bought it at gamestop and its the Arcade version Lol THX YEAH THAT MEANS ALLOT TO ME
NaiIYourCasket 2 years ago
What is the point of the arctic silver? Is it used to hold the cpu and gpu in place. And, does it have to be arctic silver? Or can it be another thermal epoxy? THX
TechKnowlogee 2 years ago
Arctic Silver Thermal Compound should be used between all heatsinks between GPUs and CPUs, the heatsink should have mechanical holds that secure it, NOT glue.
Don't use Arctic Silver Epoxy, that's a glue, and should only be used to glue on GPU heatsinks.
You can use different brands of thermal compound and thermal adhesive, it doesn't have to be Arctic Silver.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
i have a question would the arcade get any problems
erbs420k 2 years ago
The version we have is the Xenon, 90nm CPU and GPU, it uses 16.5A or so.
The Arcade is probably the Falcon, with a 65nm CPU and 90nm GPU, it should use about 14.5A. If that's the case, you're less likely to have a RROD, but still could happen.
The best is the Jasper, 65nm CPU/GPU, and only 12.5A.
Check the back of your Xbox and see how many amps it draws, then you can tell how likely you'll get the RROD.
You should add extra cooling, I'd just put some fans blowing into the grills.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
you are good man but a normal man can't do this on his own it's too hard but i believe you guys can!
airbus5521 2 years ago
Haha, if you mean most people don't have a drill and large enough drill bit, then yes, most people don't have a drill bit as big as mine. But you can always add the silver compound and add fans that blow into the grill, that'll help cool the inside significantly.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Yo man can i send my shit to you guys and fix it for me? Ill pay good. But i wont pay over 100 bucks. Let me know?
TechSnake89 2 years ago
It probably won't be worth it. It'll probably be more work to ship it back and forth than for you to actually fix it yourself. Or buy a new arcade xbox for $200 bucks.
You should give it a shot, try to fix it yourself, it's fun in itself!
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
wow the was confusing but you made it work great job
1218o4 2 years ago
Ya, it's sort of confusing if you've never used thermal compound on a CPU heatsink, or used thermal adhesive for video memory heat sinks. It's an art in itself to apply arctic silver. If you go to arctic silver's website, they have an entire page dedicated to showing you how to properly clean and apply the arctic silver 5, and also how to use their 2 part thermal adhesive(epoxy). After that, it's just taking it apart and putting it back together pretty much.
Cheers.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
you guys are god lol
FreeholdsAngels 2 years ago
LOL, you can just rest it buy overheating it buy not doing anything it will boot up but will come back eventually
Deeez7127 2 years ago
Hahah, nice. Ya, the only way to really fix it is buy the new xbox version, jasper. then buy buy problems! since it's got 65nm gpu/cpu, it won't overheating anymore buy reducing power usage and thus heat production so buy doing that you'll have a stable xbox!
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
If you get the RROD, are you able to take your hard drive out and you will still have all your data?
MASTERHAND999 2 years ago
Yes, overheating only crashes the system and sets it into an error state, it usually doesn't corrupt any hard drive data, though that's a slight possibility, I wouldn't worry about it, it didn't mess up any game data for our xbox.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
can i fix the rrod by just over heating and cooling?
Strich56 2 years ago
Yup, you see how we got our xbox working after overheating it? You can do the same thing by wrapping it in a towel. The only problem with this is that you're REALLY overheating the entire system, which could break a lot more than fix. In our case, only the CPU/GPU overheated, the system noticed this and went into thermal protection mode so it wouldn't burn out the processors. A lot of people used the towel trick with success though, so you might be ok.
Afterwards, you should:
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Make sure that while you operate your xbox, it's not standing straight up and down, that'll block the air intake on the bottom, which is the major opening for cooling air. Did you overheat while it was standing straight up and down? If you operate the xbox laying down, with a small 80mm computer fan blowing into the opening, you'll probably never overheat again. Run the fan off a 12VDC AC adaptor, you could use a 120mm fan too, or two 80mm, whatever you have. They're only $3 each, on sale.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
i baked the system for like an hour and a half and it never went into protection mode. while it was baking i read a thing that said i was just melting the internal chips so i shut it off. and now im gunna see what happens. reply back with any advise
Strich56 2 years ago
If you have both heatsinks on, with no fan installed, you won't damage the GPU or CPU because the thermal protection will engage once the core temps go above a set threshold.
If you use the towel method, then you could overheat something in there, the DVD or motherboard.
I put the cover on top of the xbox, and a towel overtop(Not wrapped around it, you only want the cores to reach the threshold, not the entire thing), it only took 6 minutes to overheat.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
If you still have the RROD after overheating the CPU/GPU, then your RROD might be caused by something else, such as burnt out video memory, chipset, ram, etc. If it's a hardware failure of that sort, you won't be able to fix it by overheating. You might as well try everything to get it working though.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
i do not have ring of death anymore. but i am still a bit worried about the internal parts. how long does this work?(iv heard it only works for about a week)
Strich56 2 years ago
hey i have a question what happens when you get the red ring of death and how does it come up?
gager1597 2 years ago
RROD comes up while gaming, as a system freeze/crash.
There are no certain answers, people have claimed that the overheating causes chips to desolder themselves, but for the chip to overheat enough to melt the solder, it would have to burn itself out. Basically, we've come to conclude that it's overheating, either the GPU/CPU/Vmem/Chipset/etc. We've added cooling to the GPU/vmem, and the xbox has not overheat since. For our case, that worked, it may not for everyone.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
And after getting the RROD, your hands can move REALLY fast. As show here..... in the video.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
what is the name of the first song played in the video?
simonsinha 2 years ago
Sorry, I got the songs off someone in the mountains of Peru, they're all Untitled to me. But they sure do sound great don't they?!?!
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
that aluminum heatsink is better because its bigger those aluminum heatsinks came on the falcon and jasper moterboards
Xtremeterror2 2 years ago
Oh, this xbox is pretty old, so it's probably a Falcon version of the xbox.
I saw a picture of the GPU that could be the 65nm (Jasper) version, ours doesn't look like that, so this xbox being modded is probably the 90nm GPU, which runs hotter.
Jasper was made to reduce costs and probably try to fix the GPU overheating RROD. Hopefully that's what happened.
My references.
Google for this to find out more: Xenon/Zephyr/Falcon/Opus/Jasper/Valhalla
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Hmm, your CPU heatsink looks different from mine. Mine's just one big aluminum piece, no copper brackets. Maybe it's because your Xbox is a Pro version and mine is Arcade. I used OCZ freeze paste- though I didn't polish the chips as well as you did. Maybe I have to redo that...One thing I didn't try is letting it sit for 10 minutes until the two red lights show up. I didn't think about stress-testing the Xbox to get it to work.
ccricers 2 years ago
Oh, the copper pipes are called "heat pipes", they pull heat away from the CPU faster. Not sure if this is the pro version, I think it's just a revision higher than yours, yours must have been purchased a long time ago.
But ya, if you didn't clean the CPU and heatsink to a polished shine, your heat transfer will be very poor. Mixing the OCZ paste with the stuff on there is very bad.
Ya, overheating it resets it. AKA the famous towel trick, but it does work, strangely enough.
Good luck
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
it doesnt matter if it is pro or arcade it depends on your dvd drive you probably have a benq drive and your it is a falcon his it is a samsung 28 and it is not a falcon. it is the older version of the 360
nito2708 2 years ago
So the brand of optical drive you have determines if you have or don't have heat pipes on the CPU heat sink?
Is that what you're saying?
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Oh, I just realized that falcon/jasper/etc. are xbox revisions, and his is probably the Xenon I guess.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
yea kind of cuz if you have a premium console that has an hitachi driva you will have the cpu heatsink whit the copper heat pipe like older versions f 360. then if you have a premium whit a benq drvi you will have the aluminium cpu heatsink.(pd. this two version of drives come whit hdmi and whit the new gpu heatsink) you have the older versions of premium 360 whit the normal cpu andthe normal gpu heatsink any questions. ask me
nito2708 2 years ago
What you said kinda makes sense.
So we've got the Falcon, which has dropped the CPU from 90nm to 65nm, so it runs cooler, and we have the 90nm GPU though, so it runs hot compared to the Jasper, which has the 65nm CPU and GPU upgrades.
We have the heat pipes on the CPU heatsink, but not the GPU heatsink like the Japser does, I just read a post talking about the heat pipe on the jasper GPU, someone wanted to cut it off! Haha, that's like half the cooling capacity!
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
I applaud the brain power it takes to do all of that but I would rather just send it back to the factory.
oneluvpitbull 2 years ago
It doesn't really take that much brain power, just a lot of tools/materials: a few hours, a drill, drill bits, hex drivers, screw drivers, thermal adhesive, AC5, heatsinks, and some willingness to mod.
You're right, this isn't a job for all, only those who like to mod and DIY with computers. Anybody who mods their computers can mod their xbox to make it better.
If you send it back, they won't add cooling the video-memory chips, so you'll still risk instability.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
If you still have warrantee, it's probably best to use that until it runs out, if you don't have warrantee, this is a great mod that could potentially give life to a paperweight, as it has done for the xbox in this video.
I would hate to see someone throw away their xbox because it's got the RROD and no warantee; hopefully this video helps fix a few out there.
Good luck to fellow RRODers.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
That's actually what happened to mine. I was in Iraq and mine had the red rings. I tried to be Mr. Fix It and ended up voiding my warranty. I am not all that electronically inclined. I ended up just throwing it away cuz I didn't know what else to do with it.
What would you suggest? Xbox or PS3? I am gonna get another one but I am undecided on which console to get.
oneluvpitbull 2 years ago
If you were serving in Iraq for your country, they should have sent you a replacement ASAP!
That's too bad yours couldn't be fixed. But ya, I think if sending it back isn't worth it, opening it up yourself is a good last ditch effort to get it working, so at least you tried.
The PS3 isn't bad since it lets you rent blueray disks, but some games like NFS undercover runs really slow. So I'd be undecided as well, depends on what you want in terms of games/blueray I guess.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
that xbox is soon gonna het the rrod again. Because de gpu heatsink is the cause of hardware failling not the memory chips. And you also made de gpu heatsink smaller so you kinda screwed your xbox.
Xtremeterror2 3 years ago
Thanks for the criticism, it's always good to question what has been done, since it leads to the methodology of our modifications.
First off, the Xbox uses similar technology as computer video cards, with that in mind, you'll notice all the high performance 3d graphics cards have cooling for both the GPU and Video Memory. The xbox also follows that practice on the back 4 v-mems by using the thermal pads. If they didn't put them there, the memory would overheat and cause a crash/freeze.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
If they didn't know it would crash, they would have never spent the time and money to have those thermal pads installed. If they cost 40 cents to install, they would be spending $400,000 to install them on 1 million units. So we know that they're required for proper operation. Of course they wouldn't spend 80 cents to use high performance materials. They just use the bare minimum, which is why, after time, the thermal pads' efficiency drops, and causes overheating.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
We must give sirbamalot credit for his fix of this problem. sirbamalot's 8 penny fix works because the brass/copper pennies transfer heat away from the v-mems into the case, after doing that, he doens't have overheating problems. So it has been proven that the v-mems overheating does in fact cause the RROD. (In Canada, use pennies that are dated 1993 or prior, they are made of copper and conduct heat much better than the newer brass pennies.)
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Now, the reasoning behind cutting the GPU is simple, we NEEDED to cool all 8 v-mem chips. The reason why the xbox engineers didn't cool the ones on top was simple, saving $10 in cooling equipment saves them $10,000,000 per 1,000,000 units. They can get away with not cooling them since there's airflow, but again, it's bare minimum, so adding cooling capacity will ensure v-mem stability.
The GPU heatsink has been compromised, but since it's off to the side, it has a minimal affect.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Even though 15% of the heatsink has been removed, approx. 90% of the heat dissipation occurs directly over the GPU's die, that's because heat conducts like radiation, from center outwards, dropping exponentially with distance, since the part we cut off is about 2cm away, the amount of dissipation is probably in the ball park figure of .15*.1= 1.5%. The exact amount can be calculated with computer modelling, but it would definitely be less than %15.
There were no hesitations in cutting:
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
apart the GPU heatsink since the v-mem's cooling was more important for stability than the minimal decrease in cooling capacity of the heatsink.
The silicone thermal paste they had on there was also on there thick, let's say it had a thermal conductivity of 0.9 W/mK @ a thickness of 0.0762 mm.
Arctic Silver would be 3 W/mK @ 0.0254mm
The Arctic Silver would have 1000% the thermal conductivity of the stock paste.
That doesn't mean it's 10 times better since it's only the interface material
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
The die/aluminum heatsink/airflow also play a role in cooling, but as experience shows, using arctic silver can drop the core temp by a few degrees, that more than makes up for the small section of GPU heatsink removed. That was the reasoning behind cutting out that section.
In the end, the GPU is much cooler, and all the video memory chips are running cooler.
As for the results, the xbox has been running very stable.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
Some other things to consider: The airflow coming into the bottom of the xbox is essential to cooling everything else inside the system. The DVD drive, mosfets, northbridge(equivalent that is) all need a lot of cooling. I've been thinking that making a base with a fan pushing air into the xbox would help it's stability and increase it's lifetime. By making that ventilation box, you might not even need to mod the inside cooling components.
We said we'll make a follow up vid, soon to come.
DavidSunshine867 2 years ago
second songs my fav =}
princeace13 3 years ago
Ya, it's a pretty good song. It's imported, from Peru.
DavidSunshine867 3 years ago
i dont have all those tools to fix my 360
cxvdgds 3 years ago
Hey, most people don't have drills and drill bits, or even torx bits, but you should have access to those tools through someone you know. There must be someone with a garage full of tools.
At minimum, you should put arctic silver heatsink compound between the GPU/CPU and heatsinks.
You don't neccessarily have to put heatsinks on the v-memory, but it's highly recommended, considering all computer video cards have them cooled, either by way of an entire heatsink, or seperate ones.
DavidSunshine867 3 years ago
Haha! I drank all the isopropanol so we had to clean the chips with the strongbow. Just kidding.
flyerbug686 3 years ago
A cider man! Strongows ok but you gotta try Thorntons way nicer!
gwailo27 3 years ago
what`s the name of the first song?
megaplasma111 3 years ago
You like the song?
I have no idea, I got the CD off someone in Peru, it's got no titles.
DavidSunshine867 3 years ago
cool !
megaplasma111 3 years ago
Haha, that's the point, keep it cool!
cheers
DavidSunshine867 3 years ago
PS Thanks to all the people who posted all the other vids. Wouldnt have done it as easily wothout you.
flyerbug686 3 years ago
Working effortlessly afte 50 hrs, 3 intense sessions. his shit realy seems to be doing the job. We went this far because we wanted it fixed for the rest of its life. I wouldnt doubt it if MS often just bakes your unit for you. Not always but more often than you might think. Talk about easy money for them. Ill post back on how longit lasts
flyerbug686 3 years ago