Joel is very wise when it comes to NOT judging other religions - as long as he continues to stand on what he knows, that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life! Why can't people understand this? Otherwise we become contentious, which the devil wants.
@Goldpenny1 I agree Joel is wiser then me. I wanted to understand why I am so wanting to justify Joel. I know Joel is a brother in Christ. Gods people are guilty due to their ignorance of devouring their own brother. Then I read this scripture. Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:
I feel as though God has given me a heart to "reprove with equity the meek of the earth."
1Corinthians5:12-13(For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”) recently I read these verses and at about the same time I started to look at "Big Box Preachers" in a new way. what I found disturbed me and saddened me. I now see to many of these guys as lovers of money not God. speaking with flattering lips that tickle the ears and all the things the Bible warns us about.
@josh51246357 Good scripture. What has Joel done that is evil? He preaches Jesus and him crucified. He encourages people. So does that mean that you want me to not encourage you? I think God says to encourage one another doesnt it? How do you know he loves money more then God? You dont know. Solomon was blessed with great riches but he was right. I dont like your theology. Sounds like phariseeism hehe.
This is funny, two men arguing over something they don't know. They themselves are sinning by judging. If it wasn't for salvation you two would burn in hell. Better get your actions right is what I have to say. LOVE YOUR BROTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. Or is that to hard to understand. If you don't seem to get it, then take a vow of silence, DO NOT SLANDER. Dang read the Bible. I am just a child of GOD and am not perfect never was intended to be. The New Testament isn't hard to understand,
1Corinthians5:12-13(For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”) recently I read these verses and at about the same time I started to look at "Big Box Preachers" in a new way. what I found disturbed me and saddened me. I now see to many of these guys as lovers of money not God. speaking with flattering lips that tickle the ears and all the things the Bible warns us about
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We are only seeing your version of the story. WHy would someone say they would punch someone out? I haven't seen the whole interview with Osteen. But to punch someone out is not a "Christian" thing to do. Benny Hinn "must" humble himself and drop to his knees for repentance. No person should act like that at all. Even a pastor of his status should humble himself and repent right on the spot if a paritioner came and told him to.
Joel preaches a "God will make your life better" message". This is true, but, one must repent first by way of the "Law" so that people know the prison of sin and will come to Christ. True Evangelism shouldn't preach life enhancement throught Christ but a come to repentance for eternal salvation. We must remember that to be Christian is to carry your own cross and walk with Christ which mean persecution as Christ warned and also told us we would be blessed for it.
Benny reacts is normal when he hear something wrong, because this is the standard of faith, that Jesus is the only way.. I see Joel doesn't firmly say that Jesus is the only way.. Joel just says he keeps in faith with Christ..
@kumahaogeh Im a christian and I didnt react the way Benny did. So how can you say its normal? You people dont love Joel so you jump on your self righteous wagon and devour him. You lack grace in your life. You are like the pharisee. why do you turn Grace into a law? You are the law and the law kills
IT IS UP TO GOD..JOEL.Those who tried to defend Joel is like being an idiot,fully knowing that Joel made serious errors.True,he never said that Jesus is not the only way,but his answer to Larry King was very clear unless you tried to twist the whole subject.benny hinn is correct in his anger,and i too when i heard the interviews ..of joel's cowardice,and if you cannot see Joel's cowardice,then you are cookoo.period.i hate people tried to give excuse for a Wrong.
You forgot John 12:48 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
@genesistwoeighteen I'll tell you what. I am giving you an opportunity to get to know me as a person, refuse it, and you have closed the door on your own foot. If you are offended by the fact I point out your sacrosanct precepts may have been wrong, than you are angry at YOU, not me, and YOU project that into the world to avoid responsibility for yourself. I have a story for you, but if you will not read it, then your decision is in your own hands. My life, an open book.
@xiaolaoshu520 Because people cant understand that Joel knows Jesus is the way the truth and the life. I have to repeat it over and over and over so it will get through thier heads. And amazingly it still doesnt. I believe it is because their heart is deceiving them.
Y didn't he answer the question. y wait until someone called in to ask. Did he forget what the scripture said? because he only agreed with her after listening, I guess he got the revelation then.
@Encourageurslf If your heart is not with Joel your heart may decieve you in making the wrong judgement. Remember, the heart is decietfully wicked about all things. If your heart is not right it will decieve you and give you the wrong judgement. Joel knows Jesus is the way the truth and the life. I have heard him say it and he offers His salvation to everyone, every service. I trust that you are decieved as is all the other pharisees.
genesistwoeighteen By just quoting John 12:47 you gave a wrong impression that Jesus will not judge any man who does not believe His word. You should have quoted John 12:48 as well to give the complete picture....John 12:48 says "And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, & does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day."
Yes, God ultimately does the judging however he clearly tells us in his word that those who do not accept Christ are condemned and the only way to him is through Christ. Joel should of been up front and said the bible tell us that those who accept Christ are saved and those who do not are condemned instead of acting confused on who goes to heaven and who doesnt. I cant say anything bad about Joel. I dont have the pressure he does and I also think Benny Hinn should not call Joel out either.
hey uploader if your are really a servant of God! tell me about God's judgements to those who are doing abominations , what will happen to them if they did not repent and not turn form their sins and not trust JESUS as their personal LORD and savior? Is Joel not sure that no sin will enter the kingdom of God, even a hint of sin? Are you saying we don't have the right to condemn? read your bible! The wrath of God is on the wicked!
@trainsonthebrains Your statement is a lie. I dont see Joel participating in any duel.
Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
According to Gods word Joel is spotless and you are guilty.
Really? A message of truth? Where's the evidence for this "truth"? oh I'm just a lowly christian I don't judge people, god does...and god says they'r gonna burn in hell forever, hyuk hyuk! idiots. That is condemnation, and it's also threatening. Don't be hypocrites, people, if you think people are damned to hell for eternity, just admit it and stop being such a pussy. Benny is a moron and Joel is a moron. benny's just older and more senile, and joel is trying not to piss off non-christians.
@KillaKillaKevvy you are displaying the very hostility and hatred towards God as the holy scriptures teach. God is righteous,holy and just. The creator has the right to make life and take life. You breath his air each day, you eat his provision of food from the land, your heart continues to beat,he gives u family/friends,and life on this earth and then go on to wonder why God will judge unrepentant sinners! we are all deserving of hell, but in Gods grace he gives all of us chances to repent.
@08greeks Actually I'm displaying hostility towards Joel Osteen and his obvious cowardice (the one and only thing I can concur on with Benny). There is no evidence for the existance of any gods so your god can not be labeled as anything other than invisible. "you breathe his air each day." this is more preachy rhetoric and you're still not providing any evidence. Do not threaten me with hell, coward, it does not exist. Threaten me with facts and evidence instead, that I can believe.
@KillaKillaKevvy Why is his cowardess not obvious to me? Is it because I love my neighbor? He did not ONCE deny Christ. Why can I see that? Its because I love him. You dont and you are breaking Gods command.
@genesistwoeighteen Good thing I don't believe in your god or any gods so any of their commands do not apply to me. His cowardice is obvious to me because I am familiar with psychology and facial expressions that give away internal motivations. His body language insists that he is uneasy about what he's saying and that he's holding back his real thoughts. It has nothing to do with Jesus. You can't see it because you're not looking. Don't threaten me with your hilarious religion.
@genesistwoeighteen But you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is going to be tortured for eternity, correct? I wouldn't be offended if you weren't threatening every single other non-christian on the planet with some eternal damnation, but you do believe that, right? I mean, you haven't said it but I'm assuming that's what you think. Righteousness? Have you even read the bible? Your god is responsible for more murders, rapes, and genocide than any human being who ever lived.
@genesistwoeighteen I never said he was denying Christ, and I can see that just as well as you without some love for an anthropomorphic deity. But, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
@KillaKillaKevvy 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 tim 3:16
@KillaKillaKevvy 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
@08greeks And? What does this prove? If you can't do anything but preach scripture I can only assume that you have no grasp of your own beliefs or any reasoning for them. The fact that you need to assure yourself that you're doing the right thing by addressing these poorly chosen words from the bible is enough proof that you don't have any interest in thinking about this issue rationally. Please say something intelligent, but keep the silliness to yourself.
@08greeks im not the coward my friend. i dare u to talk like that to a muslim, more like cowards like to attack christians and our convictions because we make for easier targets. "In extraordinary ways,modern archeology is affirming the historical core of the old and new testaments,supporting key portions of crucial biblical stories"Jeffrey L shelter "is the bible true" Readers Digest june 2000. "the impression of design in our universe is overwhelming" Physicist Paul Davies.
@08greeks Well according to christianity were born sinners so if a newborn dies within minutes of birth it's damned. For those seclusive tribes in Amazon who have no exposure to the outside world are damned. Sounds like christianity making God out to be hateful. And you didn't find God because something was missing, you found him because you felt guilty. Just like most death row inmates. Now I want you to look at my oringinal post before you go claiming I'm anything, please.
@ChefjeffreyB You need to know that the bible refers to God as a righteous and perfect judge, the bible teaching is that as adults we will be accountable for our sins because we are aware of our wrong doing, but with infants they are yet accountable and so the death of a baby is straight to the kingdom of God. as for amazon tribes are u claiming to be more loving and wise than God? are u claiming u care more for them than God does? thats why there has always been christian missionaries.
@ChefjeffreyB these verses reveal that we are all without excuse"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened."romans 1:20 just through creation around us we know a creator exists
@ChefjeffreyB "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.' Rom1:18 so the other thing is if u are genuinly concerned for those who live in tribes and the such, give your life to christ and join us christians in spreading the gospel to all those around (you could even become a missionary)
@ChefjeffreyB finally,although there may be different levels of evil and crime, the scriptures reveal that we all fall short of the glory of God. "all have sinned"rom3:23. in the sense of our lostness to God, whether your a mass murderer or normal joe blow, we have all broken Gods laws.have u never lied?have u ever used Gods name in vain?have u loved God with all your heart?thats why christ died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins, so to all those who believe and trust in him will be saved
@KillaKillaKevvy look my friend, it seems your already convinced within your mind, so i think no amount of evidence will persuade u. Truth also is that many scientists find intelligent design more plausible than evolution. (if u can believe that non living chemicals somehow by chance became highly complex living organisms) "i find more sure marks of authenticity in the bible than in any profane history whatsoever" sir isaac newton.
@KillaKillaKevvy The bible was written by over 40 authors living in different lands and times over a 1500 year period and yet makes for a cohesive account of the activities of our creator within a historical context. The book of daniel foretold many 100 years in advance of the rise and fall of nations such as babylon, then persia then greece then rome with accurate detail. The old testament also has over 300 prophecies regarding christ that were fulfilled in the new testament
@08greeks The book of daniel makes hardly any specific references to these places, and the prophecy aspect is only an assumption. It's not evidence, you can't just say it's the truth because the bible says it is, that makes no sense. The prophecies you speak of in the testament also do not even mention a jesus Christ and jewish people who follow the old testament maintain that it's not a prophecy of jesus christ.
@KillaKillaKevvy hey dude, you show me that your not an expert in the bible, what i gave u about the prophecies are just some of the basics that are undeniable in the most basic scholarship levels. like c'mon, be a little rational, dont be so completely bias that u just write off everything, im not asking u to convert but do some sensible research. in my next few replies ill give u some quotes coming from some reputable sources, men in science,politics, and historians.
@08greeks I've already done the research, I'm telling you those "prophecies" are vague and the one about the old testament was written afterwards...so it would be easy for someone to read the old testament and then write an account of a prophecy fulfilled, is that so irrational? I mean they were studying the old testament when they wrote the new testament, plus, like I told you, there's no mention of Jesus Christ in that prophecy and jews maintain to this day that it isn't about him.
@08greeks I'm not just writing it off, I've read them, I've done the research. You, obviously, have not, you demonstrated it with this post and with your misquoted post.
@08greeks They are completely deniable, there's no evidence other than the bible and your assumptions. Rational people do not accept things as fact based on what's written in one book.
@KillaKillaKevvy "i believe the bible is the best gift God has given to man" Abraham Lincoln; "there is abeing who made all things,who holds all thingsin his power,and is therefore to be feared" sir isaac newton."in view of such harmony in the cosmos which i with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God.But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views" Albert einstein.
@KillaKillaKevvy . "In 2004 famed british atheist Antony flew suddenly announced he believed in the existence of God.It was the incredible complexity of DNA that opened his eyes and is now a christian" British press interview;"most cosmologists(scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe)agree that the genesis account of creation in imagining an initial void,may be uncannily close to the truth"Time,december 1976
@08greeks So, what is that supposed to prove? That's not me, I don't share his opinions. 1976? Wow, that's really relevant. You do know that it's 2012, right? How about this statistic: Now...in 2012, about 75% of all scientists in the world are atheists or some version thereof, and the majority of the remaining 25% theist scientists believe in evolution. This doesn't prove anything either, but it certainly trumps your example from thirty six years ago.
@KillaKillaKevvy historic sources outside the bible which testify to christ and his resurrection and church include the writings of flavius josephus(AD93)the babylonian talmud(AD70-200)pliny the youngers letter to the emporer trajan(approxAD100)the annals of tacitus(AD115-117)suetonius life of claudius and life of nero(AD120)
@08greeks If anything Josephus' writings disprove the bible, he talks about Jesus' brother...who is never mentioned in the holy bible. There are references to a person called jesus....that doesn't prove the bible is true or that god is real or that miracles actually happen or anything like that. Also, the Testimonium by Josephus, which mentions the death of christ, is considered most likely not authentic by scholars.
@08greeks The talmud? That's a book about jewish law and was written and compiled over the course of over five hundred years...that's not proof of anything you're trying to assert.
@08greeks The letters of Pliny the Younger refer to the historical existance of a person called Jesus Christ and of early Christianity, but do not prove god's existance or anything else.
@08greeks The annals of Tacitus also refer to the execution of Jesus Christ, but do not support your claims of a god or any truth to your bible. Also, Tacitus insisted that Christians knew nothing about their god.
@08greeks Suetonius' account of what happened during the great fire in rome support claims that the book of revelation was about rome and Nero, and not about the end of the world as asserted by most christians. It also only proves the existance of Christianity and possibly the historicity of Christ...it does not prove that tthe bible is true or that god exists. These examples are terrible. You've established you're familiar with the historicity of christ, but not with the mythology of the bible.
@KillaKillaKevvy heres one for u "it takes no brains to be an atheist.any stupid person can deny the existence of a supernatural power because mans physical senses cannot detect it.but there cannot be ignored the influence of conscience,the respect we feel for moral law,the mystery of first life,or the marvelous order in which the universe moves about us on this earth.all these evidence the handiwork of the beneficent deity,that is God of the bible" Dwight eisenhower
@KillaKillaKevvy theres no mention of the actual name Jesus, but many scriptures that speak of his birth(virgin birth)his ministry, his life, his teachings and his crucifixion. and yes daniel was written before the fact because the translation of the hebrew to the greek(the septuagint) was three centuries prior to the new testament which included all of daniel but also the dead sea scrolls found in 1948 include daniel which is dated 100-200 years before the greek translation!!
@08greeks Right...which is all in the old testament, which makes it entirely feasible that it was read and then a fulfilled prophecy was written about it. And YES it makes no mention of Christ, and like I already told you there are plenty of stories about gods who had virgin births, were resurrected, even the date december 25 is similar in some cases. Scripture doesn't prove anything.
@KillaKillaKevvy lets be fair, many quotes i have given come from some of histories brightest and studied men. your statements on daniel and prophecy clearly shows you are in error and do not know what these books contain concerning prophecy(you dont have to be a christian to see that if u do an unbiased study) plus you have failed to give me any evidence that God does not exist, and your writing off on the bible is more to do with peronal bias rather than allowing where the evidence leads
@08greeks "Many quotes I have given..." you gave three quotes altogether. Don't start patting yourself on the back just yet. And one of them was a misquote that most intelligent people are aware of. I know what the book of daniel says, it's not a prophecy for christ. Even if it was, scripture from the bible doesn't prove the bible's true. Both the prophecy and the fulfillment of the prophecy could be made up because there's no evidence for either of them.
@KillaKillaKevvy"the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." romans 1:18-20
@08greeks How many times do I have to tell you that you can't prove the bible is true by quoting the bible? It's getting really old, find a real argument please.
@KillaKillaKevvy For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." Romans 1:21-23 (These verses reveal the real reason of your rebellion against God who will hold u accountable unless u repent)
@08greeks You have to establish your proof for why the bible is true before you start making claims like "These verses reveal"...etc. Circular logic does not prove it is true.
@08greeks I guarantee you that my inherent morality is far superior to your inability to form your own morality. The fact that you would change your moral views in an instant from the whims of an invisible man in the sky prove this. Stop quoting scripture, it's making you look extraordinarily foolish.
@KillaKillaKevvy here we go again, no, daniel foretells the rise and fall of four empires including the separating of greece into four provinces after alexander the great,(dan8:5-8) and in chap 7:13-14 is a clear reference to Jesus as he referred to himself as son of man.
@08greeks It doesn't mention Christ by name at all, even if it did it wouldn't prove anything. Matthew, or whoever actually wrote the book of Matthew, could have easily read the old testament and created a story to go in line with that prophecy. The fact that you keep implying it's about jesus but you can't deny that it doesn't even mention him is pretty evident that you're not willing to accept factual evidence.
@KillaKillaKevvy sorry, i didnt want to make you angry my friend, thats okay, i wish u all the best and thank you for debating with me. if i could say, just try and be abit more open and not so closed off, you dont know what u may be missing. an agnostic once said that you cant prove or disprove the existence of God, but like cs lewis says, Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or the son of God, Jesus states "i am the way,the truth and the life,no one comes to the father but through me" John14:6
@08greeks Im not angry, and I'm totally open it's just that I've already heard the claims you are making numerous times before and I know they are not factually evident. I do know what I'm missing because I used to be a protestant christian. Nice quotes, still doesn't help your argument.
@KillaKillaKevvy also there would be no christian church today if it werent for the resurrection of Jesus. When he was crucified his disciples went into hiding for fear of their lives from roman authorities. So the question to ask is what caused these men to come out from hiding and proclaim that Jesus is the christ knowing full well they would go to their deaths(which most of them did).seeing the resurrected Jesus!, otherwise would they have not confessed they lied when they faced death?
@08greeks There's still no proof or evidence, and what about the many other gods in other religions that are older than christianity who have similar or almost exactly the same origin story as jesus christ? and even if he was resurrected it's not proof that he's the son of god or god himself, not that I believe the story, because many people were resurrected in the bible and they weren't called gods.
@KillaKillaKevvy have u read the forward from sir arthur keith on charles darwins origin of the species (100th edition) "evolution is unproved and unprovable.we believe it only because the only alternative is special creation,and that is unthinkable" you see? when i previously told u that men (like yourself) hate the fact that we are accountable to a creator God. (if u can believe that the 4 faces carved into mt rushmore could happen by chance and time you have more faith than me my friend).
@08greeks Haha, did you read that in the actual book? The quote you are referencing is a misquote and a common misconception, and is also considered a purposefully spread lie. The real introduction by Keith says "The Origin of the Species is still the book which contains the most complete demonstration that the law of evolution is true." The same misquote you used has also been attributed to George Wald, but that's also a lie. The rest of your comment is unintelligible, so I won't respond to it.
@KillaKillaKevvy you forget the fact that knowing christ is also an experiential fact, many people like myself have been changed by the life giving power of the gospel, i used to sell drugs and get into fights and rip off people i knew, and i used to mock christians. but deep down inside i knew there was something missing, (how did we develop a conscience if all we are just descendents of seamonkeys or are our brains just computers made out of meat?)
@08greeks Well if you think we're descendant from seamonkeys you don't even grasp the concept of evolution, and if you have the ability to pick and choose the parts of the bible which are moral and immoral you are proving that you have an inherent morality that has nothing to do with religion or god or anything like that. If you think religion gives you morals does that mean if god told you it was okay to murder people you'd just go and do it?
@KillaKillaKevvy Knowing Jesus Christ as my lord has given me peace in this life,purpose, ive seen many prayers answered, i sense the love of God and would never trade this for the deceptions and delusions of darwinism. if we are just animals then why are u so worried then mate? enjoy your atheism, why are u so worried about even this discussion? you are just another cog in the machine, and if someone kills u or your loved ones,rejoice,its survival of the fittest.
@08greeks Just because someone believes in god doesn't bmean they have to reject evolution (I'm not a darwinist, I have observed the evidence for evolution and I find it to be a lot more convincing than intelligent design.) We are intellectual animals, and I'm not worried about anything. You're worried about going to hell, which is why you're a christian. I enjoy discussions and arguments, it's a part of my intellectual growth. If you want to just talk about me then send me a private message.
@KillaKillaKevvy also i no longer fear death, i know that my sins are forgiven and i have eternal life! if im wrong, then oh well, when we die i go to nothing and i was a bit deluded but at least my faith enriched my life, but if your wrong well, (and i dont wish you end there) you will be suffering great torment because you refused to come to christ and be cleansed of your sins. "just as people are destined to die once and after that to face judgement" hebrews 9:27
@08greeks You don't wish it upon me? But you believe I deserve eternal torment, correct? Did I mention how immoral that is? I didn't refuse to come to christ, I refused to believe a claim based on no evidence, because I'm an intelligent human being. Your sins are forgiven? So it's okay if you murder people as long as you accept christ as your savior you don't have to take responsibility? How is that moral?
@KillaKillaKevvy also talking about silliness, your the one who believes complex living beings just appeared from nothing, that takes a better faith than mine to think something like a sports car would appear fully formed by chance from a car wreckage dump over millions of years with the right conditions. maybe thats why whales beach themselves mate, the're trying to evolve and we push them back in again!!
@08greeks I do not believe that everything appeared from nothing, you do. If you can't understand quantum physics that is your problem, not mine. The only "evidence" you have for intelligent design is "I can't understand it so it must be god." That is an argument from ignorance.
@KillaKillaKevvy what about the amazing complexity of dna? thats what is called an irreducibly complex system, where u need all of its components working in conjunction with one another, otherwise it wouldnt have no reason to exist.natural selection cannot help u build such systems, it can only preserve them once theyve been built.darwin himself said if it can be proven that a complex system wasnt built by slight numerous modifications his thoery would break down.(origin of species 154)
@08greeks Um, if you knew anything about irreducible complexity you'd know that it means a certain thing can not be broken down anymore than it already is...and DNA is not irreducibly complex. What darwin was saying was that there's no such thing as fate and things have happened exactly how they have happened, not that they were designed. Please stop trying to use these common quotes, I've heard them all before. This one is worse than the last.
@08greeks Natural selection has NOTHING to do with irreducible complexity. Please, do some research on what you're talking about before you start trying to act like you know what you're talking about.
@KillaKillaKevvy you know whats immoral mate, we fail to see that we break Gods commands daily and we have such a high view of ourselves. have u never lied?have u never lusted after women(im assuming your male) u never used Gods name in vain? at the end of the day, there is no thing such as atheists, they claim that they dont believe in God and just like u go on to talk about him and what he reveals in scripture with hatred and anger which by implication you are conceding he is real.
@08greeks I'm only speaking on the same level as you so you'll understand. Know this, I do not believe in any gods or anthropomorphic deities or any kind, I do not believe in sin, original or otherwise. None of these things apply to me, yes I have done this that are less than reputable in my lifetime, but I take responsibility for them and try my best to learn a lesson and never do them again. It doesn't mean I'm trying to make god happy, I'm just not an evil person.
@08greeks Your religion encourages you to be irresponsible and to blame all of your faults on the temptations of the devil, you don't have to worry about trying to be a good person because in the end all of your sins will be forgiven so it won't matter. This is what most christians believe to be true, whether they try to be good people or not. It is a wholly immoral system. If you take the bible literally it's immoral as well.
@KillaKillaKevvy classic atheist statement "i dont believe in God, but i do hate him" your arguments sound more and more defensive without no substance. you still have not disproven the existence of God. please explain the origin of life to me. ive at least tried to give some argument, can u give me more than just "i do not believe that everything came from nothing. i reckon that even u don know what quantum physics are. suppose it sounds fancy but doesnt explain where we come from.
@08greeks That is completely ignorant. How can I hate something I don't even think exists? I already told you the burden of proof is on you, you're asserting that god exists so you have to prove it. I don't know why you keep trying to force the burden of proof onto me, it isn't my belief. Don't you understand, yet? you really want me to explain quantum physics to you? Seriously? Look it up, I don't care to indulge your laziness and ignorance.
@KillaKillaKevvy "the God hypothesis is now a more respectable hypothesis than at any time in the last 100 years"(historian of science Frederic burnham.1992) so wheres the millions of intermediate transitional fossils we would find (and dont worry about java man, piltdown man, nebraska man which have been exposed as frauds from overzealous scientists, they too have an agenda,motives etc) but i suppose when a man puts on a white coat what ever he says is true........
@08greeks Considering Frederic Burnham is a Christian historian, I wouldn't give him much credit. Most of his work is done through christian church organizations. You're better off quoting William Lane Craig...even then I've probably already heard it. As far as fossils go...you do know it's extremely difficult to create a fossil?...but anyway, ever heard of Archaeopteryx or Runcaria? Those are both transitional fossils. you asked where they are...they're right in front of you.
@KillaKillaKevvy DNA is not reducibly complex, then what is it? it provides info to the cells. even bill gates stated that the information in dna is more advanced than any software program hes seen. the cells in our body are also irreducibly complex. your now clutching at straws and again providing no decent defense. "Many scientists are now driven to faith by their work" allan rex sandage.
@08greeks First of all, irreducible complexity is a psudoscience and is rejected by the scientific community. There's no evidence for it either, it's just another assumptions that favors intelligent design, DNA can still be broken down so it's not irreducibly complex. Bill gates did not say that because we can in fact recreate dna on a computer. It's been done. If you say DNA is irreducibly complex you can't also claim that the cells in our body are as well, that is ignorance.
@KillaKillaKevvy "would it not be strange if a universe without purpose accidently created humans who are so obsessed with purpose?" Sir john templeton. I have produced sound arguments and all u can do is "no thats wrong" without giving explanations. how about richard dawkins? his book God delusion? Its funny how evolutionist Michael ruse stated " the God delusion makes me ashamed of being an atheist" what about the incredible fine tuning of the universe, is that all by chance as well?
@08greeks What sound arguments? I've refuted every claim you made with evidence. You have provided none, do not project your inability to defend your position onto me, it isn't my fault you can't provide proof or factual evidence...it is your problem. Who cares what Muchael Ruse said? he thinks dawkins is arrogant, which he is, that's just someone's opinion. It isn't proof, stop deluding yourself with the opinions of people who aren't you. John Templton was a stock broker...that's your proof?
@08greeks What incredible fine tuning??? You mean our tail bones which serve no purpose other than to support something that we no longer have? Our appendixes? An organ which has no function? that fine tuning? Please, broad sweeping statements like that with no citations at all are really annoying and you're further proving your ignorance.
@KillaKillaKevvy HA HA HA archaeopteryx? "an archaeopteryx as beautiful as it is,doesnt show us one way or another.besides we see strange animals around today,like the duck billed platypus which nobody considers transitional but which has characteristics of different classes"Jonathon wells phd molecular biology/embryology.also dont bother with archaeoraptor or bambiraptor they both been well documented and exposed as frauds, a chinese farmer glued a dinosaur tail on a primitive bird! ha ha ha
@08greeks Well, you asked for transitional fossils and I gave you two examples. You could easily type in "transitional fossils" into google or something and find plenty of examples. You have the freedom to be ignorant and lazy if you want.
@08greeks Well, you asked for transitional fossils and I gave you two examples. You could easily type in "transitional fossils" into google or something and find plenty of examples. You have the freedom to be ignorant and lazy if you want.
@08greeks Archaeopteryx is the most popular example, it is considered evidence of transitional forms. You don't have to believe it but I'm providing you with the evidence you requested.
@KillaKillaKevvy wonderfully said, you said "we can recreate dna" ha ha thats intelligent design!! it still takes your thinking, a man made computer, and blueprints from dna itself! so where is its first cause.Isnt God amazing! i know your intelligent answer is "from nothing" dont be so full of yourself mate, dont forget, the burden of proof is on u, you have not really diffussed any arguments, your just denying everything ive said.
@08greeks Like I already told you, it's not from nothing, your lack of understanding of quantum physics is just an argument from ignorance. Please, stop making me repeat myself. Oh really? We can create it on a computer so that proves god? Then how'd they know about god two thousand years ago without computers, hmm? yeah, great argument. So, if god created us on a computer, who created god?
@08greeks Well?? Shouldn't that be an easy question to answer?? You claim to know all the answers and you're so certain about them, so tell me who or what created god? If it's impossible for something to come from nothing, he must have come from somehwere, so where is it? Hmm? Answer the question.
@KillaKillaKevvy so is that all u have some bird thing, as i said before,where are the millions of transitional fossils if weve been on this earth for billions..no millions...no trillions of years on this (scientists always changing their minds,)planet we would have mountains of fossils. but alas, nothing, why dont u look up the cambrian explosion, fully formed species each in some of the major animal life forms, no transitions, just fully ...created forms.
@08greeks If you knew anything about fossils you'd know they are incredibly hard to create and very rare. They're not just laying around all over the place. You don't know what you're talking about, why do you bother talking when you have no idea about what you're talking? And no, it's not trillions....the earth is about 4 billion years old and the universe is about 14 billion...but I assume you believe it's only about six thousand years old, right? So...were we riding dinosaurs?
@08greeks And, no, there's not just the one "bird thing", if you weren't so lazy you'd look it up for yourself you'd be able to see plenty of examples. BUT, I also mentioned Runcaria....which you didn't have any cool quotes for.....c'mon, stop acting like such a child. Do the research and stop making me repeat myself.
@KillaKillaKevvy "human dna contains more organized information than the encyclopedia britannica.if the full text of the encyclopedia were to arrive in computer code from outer space,most people would regard this as proof of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence.but when seen in nature,it is explained as the workings of random forces" George sim Johnson. ha ha love that one, shows the folly of us "educated" folk.
@08greeks George Sim Johnston (sic)? Are you talking about the evangelist author? Faith based rhetoric is not proof. If that's really who you're quoting, I mean....you couldn't find a more biased opinion. And even that specific quote says nothing about evidence or facts, it's just some evangelist's opinion on the matter....and since there hasn't been any computer code from heaven or any extraterrestrial lifeforms this example has no basis in reality.
@08greeks Also, just to point out...if you believe what he's saying about DNA in this quote...you must realize it contradicts your earlier statement that DNA is irreducibly complex...since he's saying it contains organized information....so which is it? DNA is complex and full of organized information...or is it the last measurable cellular level as you claimed back when you were defending irreducible complexity? Make up your mind.
@KillaKillaKevvy why dont u look up cilium on google, or even bacterial flagellum, look it up and see how amazingly irreducibly complex those micro machines are in our bodies. Also check out michael j behe phd in chemistry, he'll teach u on the cell and dna, and no, he is not a christian.
@08greeks And what does that prove? God is a flagellum? Your just spouting more and more claims, irreducible complexity is not factual, it is completely disregarded by the scientific community...which is full of scientists who study things in reality and not in surreality. The fact is there are thousands of different flagella in bacteria with many different functions. Many species of flagella have components which are functional by themselves, it's a false assumption.
@08greeks Also, most biologists will agree that most of the components needed to make a flagellum are already present in the bacteria before the flagella appear.
@08greeks Either you don't know what you're talking about or you're just ignoring the parts that you're not comfortable with. As most Christians omit parts of the bible they are not comfortable with, such as god's advocacy of slavery and genocide.
If Jesus was exclusive, and we claim to be followers of Him, then we have to be the same as well. I also think that Joel is on dangerous ground when, in another video, he doesn't seem to know what Mormons believe much less what other cults and religions believe and yet he wants to say there's a common bond when there's not. Theological issues are the core of our faith and must be acknowledged, otherwise I don't think he can be seriously committed to truth. It must be done in love of course.
Jesus Christ clearly excluded any other way to salvation and to the Father and Joel needs to express that to people in a manner of love and grace. He is morally obligated to correct peoples' thinking about Jesus and the gospel if they are in error. And he's not being entirely clear on the notion of "judge". If he means condemn, then I'm with him 100%. If he means to make discerning or moral judgments about people, he's mistaken.
@seattlefs There's no way to express in a loving manner that anyone who doesn't agree with your invisible friend is going to be tortured for eternity in hell. It can be done discriminatorily or threateningly, or even in a hypocritically loving manner. But, not in a sincerely loving manner, no no, you can not damn someone to hell in a nice way.
I think Benny Hinn was perhaps a bit explicit in his remarks but I think there's a fair criticism to be made. Joel Osteen, at least in this video, doesn't seem to want to take a position and risk being politically incorrect. He wants to retreat to the line "I want to share my way.... who am I to judge... only God can know the heart". I think there's an element of truth there. But he's clearly mistaken to think that he cannot make exclusive claims when it comes to the Gospel.
@seattlefs You're right, he should just admit that he's a bigoted homophobe who hates anti-christians and thinks they should be tortured on earth as well as in hell for all eternity, like Benny has the balls to do.
Not one of these can defend (sad) themselfs here. Christians always seeing the SIN in others 1st. They sin not against you. Trust me when YOU and I stand before Him He will NEVER EVER ask us what we thought of Benny or Joel. Did we love them, did we forgive them 70*7 did we pray for them or gossip? If ANYONE needs help.. help them, love them no MATTER WHAT the cost! Stop seeing sin in others or yours will come to the top.
@KillaKillaKevvy Joel Osteen does not believe Jesus is the only way. He would be the first person to deny his faith if he was told renounce Jesus Christ or be thrown in the lions den.
@KillaKillaKevvy Joel Osteen is a waste of time,he's not a dynamic speaker like Billy Graham,he doesn't do any miracles like Kathryn Kuhlman. All he does is copy Dale Carnegie with positive thinking. I'm OK, you're OK. He doesn't even know Mormonism is a cult.
@garycooper1000 Christianity is also a cult. Graham was just a charismatic televangelist...but I'll give him credit for rejecting the "moral majority" crap from Falwell. Kuhlman? eh, she's just another faith healer in my opinion, right up there with Benny. I think Dale Carnegie was just a passive Machiavellian...have you read "how to win friends and influence people"?, it has a lot to do with manipulation (and kissing ass).
@KillaKillaKevvy When you say Kuhlman was just another faith healer I get the impression you think there are no documented miracles by her or Benny. Watch Kathryn Kuhlman I believe in Miracles # 37 on youtube. The teenage girl had bone cancer and 8 doctors said her leg had to be amputated. It is documented by 8 doctors and 4 hospitals.
@garycooper1000 Well I don't believe in miracles, and there's no evidence for anyone to differentiate between a miracle and an act of nature other than what's in the bible...which is also not evidence. You can't actually document a miracle because there is no evidence and there's no way to provide evidence. I can easily claim that my god provided the cure for that girl, and there's no way for you to prove otherwise. Know what I'm saying?
The bible says someone with a squashed testicle may not enter church. The bible says ten generations of a bastard may not enter church. What kind of god condemns a child for something his fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, father did?
@08greeks How do we know your not a phony? Ususally when you call someone a name you are usually the name you are calling the other person. Havent you ever looked in the mirror and really saw who you are? In other words take the plank out of your eye so you can "see clearly" or "so you are right with God". This is when you will be able to "see clearly". I know these men are men of God. And I can see that your heart is hard. Even David did not dare bring accusation against Saul.
@genesistwoeighteen read 1 & 2 timothy and see how many people the apostle paul names who did harm to him and the church. or why not read 3 john where he also names diotrephes "who loves to be first" or what about when paul says in 1 corinthians 5:12 to judge those in the church and not outside. so going by your assessment we are to except any preacher without any discernment? Osteen has proven many times he has no discernment by claiming mormons are christians and hinn..his teachings prove fals
Joel is very wise when it comes to NOT judging other religions - as long as he continues to stand on what he knows, that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life! Why can't people understand this? Otherwise we become contentious, which the devil wants.
Goldpenny1 3 hours ago
@Goldpenny1 I agree Joel is wiser then me. I wanted to understand why I am so wanting to justify Joel. I know Joel is a brother in Christ. Gods people are guilty due to their ignorance of devouring their own brother. Then I read this scripture. Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:
I feel as though God has given me a heart to "reprove with equity the meek of the earth."
genesistwoeighteen 2 hours ago
1Corinthians5:12-13(For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”) recently I read these verses and at about the same time I started to look at "Big Box Preachers" in a new way. what I found disturbed me and saddened me. I now see to many of these guys as lovers of money not God. speaking with flattering lips that tickle the ears and all the things the Bible warns us about.
josh51246357 12 hours ago
@josh51246357 Good scripture. What has Joel done that is evil? He preaches Jesus and him crucified. He encourages people. So does that mean that you want me to not encourage you? I think God says to encourage one another doesnt it? How do you know he loves money more then God? You dont know. Solomon was blessed with great riches but he was right. I dont like your theology. Sounds like phariseeism hehe.
genesistwoeighteen 5 hours ago
Osteen = wimp! Hinn = Nut!
josh51246357 13 hours ago
I guess the problem is abiding by it.
jjcook1277 18 hours ago
This is funny, two men arguing over something they don't know. They themselves are sinning by judging. If it wasn't for salvation you two would burn in hell. Better get your actions right is what I have to say. LOVE YOUR BROTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. Or is that to hard to understand. If you don't seem to get it, then take a vow of silence, DO NOT SLANDER. Dang read the Bible. I am just a child of GOD and am not perfect never was intended to be. The New Testament isn't hard to understand,
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1Corinthians5:12-13(For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”) recently I read these verses and at about the same time I started to look at "Big Box Preachers" in a new way. what I found disturbed me and saddened me. I now see to many of these guys as lovers of money not God. speaking with flattering lips that tickle the ears and all the things the Bible warns us about
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lookupbeblessed 20 hours ago
We are only seeing your version of the story. WHy would someone say they would punch someone out? I haven't seen the whole interview with Osteen. But to punch someone out is not a "Christian" thing to do. Benny Hinn "must" humble himself and drop to his knees for repentance. No person should act like that at all. Even a pastor of his status should humble himself and repent right on the spot if a paritioner came and told him to.
MrMfloor 1 day ago
Joel preaches a "God will make your life better" message". This is true, but, one must repent first by way of the "Law" so that people know the prison of sin and will come to Christ. True Evangelism shouldn't preach life enhancement throught Christ but a come to repentance for eternal salvation. We must remember that to be Christian is to carry your own cross and walk with Christ which mean persecution as Christ warned and also told us we would be blessed for it.
MrMfloor 1 day ago
Benny reacts is normal when he hear something wrong, because this is the standard of faith, that Jesus is the only way.. I see Joel doesn't firmly say that Jesus is the only way.. Joel just says he keeps in faith with Christ..
kumahaogeh 5 days ago
@kumahaogeh Im a christian and I didnt react the way Benny did. So how can you say its normal? You people dont love Joel so you jump on your self righteous wagon and devour him. You lack grace in your life. You are like the pharisee. why do you turn Grace into a law? You are the law and the law kills
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@kumahaogeh Hinn has shared a platform with the apostate Hagee who denies that Jesus is the messiah. Who is he to point fingers?
sullivan912 4 days ago
IT IS UP TO GOD..JOEL.Those who tried to defend Joel is like being an idiot,fully knowing that Joel made serious errors.True,he never said that Jesus is not the only way,but his answer to Larry King was very clear unless you tried to twist the whole subject.benny hinn is correct in his anger,and i too when i heard the interviews ..of joel's cowardice,and if you cannot see Joel's cowardice,then you are cookoo.period.i hate people tried to give excuse for a Wrong.
frankielee77 5 days ago
You forgot John 12:48 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
RPM11111 5 days ago
So,....have any of these fools ever walked from their house to their church , to preach this " truth " as they call it ?
They wouldn't get an ounce of my respect if they couldn't do at least that.
1isaacmusic 6 days ago
@1isaacmusic And why should I respect you and your thinking? What has Joel said that is a lie? Name one thing.
genesistwoeighteen 6 days ago
@genesistwoeighteen I'll tell you what. I am giving you an opportunity to get to know me as a person, refuse it, and you have closed the door on your own foot. If you are offended by the fact I point out your sacrosanct precepts may have been wrong, than you are angry at YOU, not me, and YOU project that into the world to avoid responsibility for yourself. I have a story for you, but if you will not read it, then your decision is in your own hands. My life, an open book.
1isaacmusic 6 days ago
God thinks Joel has a cute little mouth.
C3POROBOT1 1 week ago
why it keeps repeating
xiaolaoshu520 1 week ago
@xiaolaoshu520 Because people cant understand that Joel knows Jesus is the way the truth and the life. I have to repeat it over and over and over so it will get through thier heads. And amazingly it still doesnt. I believe it is because their heart is deceiving them.
genesistwoeighteen 1 week ago
Y didn't he answer the question. y wait until someone called in to ask. Did he forget what the scripture said? because he only agreed with her after listening, I guess he got the revelation then.
Encourageurslf 1 week ago
@Encourageurslf If your heart is not with Joel your heart may decieve you in making the wrong judgement. Remember, the heart is decietfully wicked about all things. If your heart is not right it will decieve you and give you the wrong judgement. Joel knows Jesus is the way the truth and the life. I have heard him say it and he offers His salvation to everyone, every service. I trust that you are decieved as is all the other pharisees.
genesistwoeighteen 1 week ago
genesistwoeighteen By just quoting John 12:47 you gave a wrong impression that Jesus will not judge any man who does not believe His word. You should have quoted John 12:48 as well to give the complete picture....John 12:48 says "And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, & does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day."
opsvideo2008 1 week ago
Yes, God ultimately does the judging however he clearly tells us in his word that those who do not accept Christ are condemned and the only way to him is through Christ. Joel should of been up front and said the bible tell us that those who accept Christ are saved and those who do not are condemned instead of acting confused on who goes to heaven and who doesnt. I cant say anything bad about Joel. I dont have the pressure he does and I also think Benny Hinn should not call Joel out either.
JohnEboy777 1 week ago
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hey uploader if your are really a servant of God! tell me about God's judgements to those who are doing abominations , what will happen to them if they did not repent and not turn form their sins and not trust JESUS as their personal LORD and savior? Is Joel not sure that no sin will enter the kingdom of God, even a hint of sin? Are you saying we don't have the right to condemn? read your bible! The wrath of God is on the wicked!
TheEarlyjazz 1 week ago
@MrLonelyeagle The whole problem is you are looking to other men for the answer.
ChefjeffreyB 1 week ago
Two Christians arguing over their equally ridiculous beliefs = retarded.
seanstrnad 1 week ago
Osteen might be a pagan, but at least he's not a hateful occultist.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 just a bigot.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@blattt188 just a bigot.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
this editing is so damn ignorant
adamk4747 1 week ago
YOU CAN JUDGE A TREE BY IT'S FRUIT; TWO HERETICS DUELING IT OUT
trainsonthebrains 1 week ago
@trainsonthebrains Your statement is a lie. I dont see Joel participating in any duel.
Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
According to Gods word Joel is spotless and you are guilty.
genesistwoeighteen 1 week ago
Really? A message of truth? Where's the evidence for this "truth"? oh I'm just a lowly christian I don't judge people, god does...and god says they'r gonna burn in hell forever, hyuk hyuk! idiots. That is condemnation, and it's also threatening. Don't be hypocrites, people, if you think people are damned to hell for eternity, just admit it and stop being such a pussy. Benny is a moron and Joel is a moron. benny's just older and more senile, and joel is trying not to piss off non-christians.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy you are displaying the very hostility and hatred towards God as the holy scriptures teach. God is righteous,holy and just. The creator has the right to make life and take life. You breath his air each day, you eat his provision of food from the land, your heart continues to beat,he gives u family/friends,and life on this earth and then go on to wonder why God will judge unrepentant sinners! we are all deserving of hell, but in Gods grace he gives all of us chances to repent.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Actually I'm displaying hostility towards Joel Osteen and his obvious cowardice (the one and only thing I can concur on with Benny). There is no evidence for the existance of any gods so your god can not be labeled as anything other than invisible. "you breathe his air each day." this is more preachy rhetoric and you're still not providing any evidence. Do not threaten me with hell, coward, it does not exist. Threaten me with facts and evidence instead, that I can believe.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy Why is his cowardess not obvious to me? Is it because I love my neighbor? He did not ONCE deny Christ. Why can I see that? Its because I love him. You dont and you are breaking Gods command.
genesistwoeighteen 1 week ago
@genesistwoeighteen Good thing I don't believe in your god or any gods so any of their commands do not apply to me. His cowardice is obvious to me because I am familiar with psychology and facial expressions that give away internal motivations. His body language insists that he is uneasy about what he's saying and that he's holding back his real thoughts. It has nothing to do with Jesus. You can't see it because you're not looking. Don't threaten me with your hilarious religion.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy Jesus, "Blessed is the man who is not offended by my word". I just stand for God and his people, in what I pray is righteousness.
genesistwoeighteen 1 week ago
@genesistwoeighteen But you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is going to be tortured for eternity, correct? I wouldn't be offended if you weren't threatening every single other non-christian on the planet with some eternal damnation, but you do believe that, right? I mean, you haven't said it but I'm assuming that's what you think. Righteousness? Have you even read the bible? Your god is responsible for more murders, rapes, and genocide than any human being who ever lived.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@genesistwoeighteen and I answered your question, why do you feel the need to preach scripture to me? You'll not convert me, don't bother trying.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@genesistwoeighteen I never said he was denying Christ, and I can see that just as well as you without some love for an anthropomorphic deity. But, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 tim 3:16
08greeks 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks And? What does this prove? If you can't do anything but preach scripture I can only assume that you have no grasp of your own beliefs or any reasoning for them. The fact that you need to assure yourself that you're doing the right thing by addressing these poorly chosen words from the bible is enough proof that you don't have any interest in thinking about this issue rationally. Please say something intelligent, but keep the silliness to yourself.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks im not the coward my friend. i dare u to talk like that to a muslim, more like cowards like to attack christians and our convictions because we make for easier targets. "In extraordinary ways,modern archeology is affirming the historical core of the old and new testaments,supporting key portions of crucial biblical stories"Jeffrey L shelter "is the bible true" Readers Digest june 2000. "the impression of design in our universe is overwhelming" Physicist Paul Davies.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Well according to christianity were born sinners so if a newborn dies within minutes of birth it's damned. For those seclusive tribes in Amazon who have no exposure to the outside world are damned. Sounds like christianity making God out to be hateful. And you didn't find God because something was missing, you found him because you felt guilty. Just like most death row inmates. Now I want you to look at my oringinal post before you go claiming I'm anything, please.
ChefjeffreyB 1 week ago
@ChefjeffreyB You need to know that the bible refers to God as a righteous and perfect judge, the bible teaching is that as adults we will be accountable for our sins because we are aware of our wrong doing, but with infants they are yet accountable and so the death of a baby is straight to the kingdom of God. as for amazon tribes are u claiming to be more loving and wise than God? are u claiming u care more for them than God does? thats why there has always been christian missionaries.
08greeks 1 week ago
@ChefjeffreyB these verses reveal that we are all without excuse"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened."romans 1:20 just through creation around us we know a creator exists
08greeks 1 week ago
@ChefjeffreyB "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.' Rom1:18 so the other thing is if u are genuinly concerned for those who live in tribes and the such, give your life to christ and join us christians in spreading the gospel to all those around (you could even become a missionary)
08greeks 1 week ago
@ChefjeffreyB finally,although there may be different levels of evil and crime, the scriptures reveal that we all fall short of the glory of God. "all have sinned"rom3:23. in the sense of our lostness to God, whether your a mass murderer or normal joe blow, we have all broken Gods laws.have u never lied?have u ever used Gods name in vain?have u loved God with all your heart?thats why christ died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins, so to all those who believe and trust in him will be saved
08greeks 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy look my friend, it seems your already convinced within your mind, so i think no amount of evidence will persuade u. Truth also is that many scientists find intelligent design more plausible than evolution. (if u can believe that non living chemicals somehow by chance became highly complex living organisms) "i find more sure marks of authenticity in the bible than in any profane history whatsoever" sir isaac newton.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks You speak of evidence but I haven't seen or heard any yet, please enlighten me.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy The bible was written by over 40 authors living in different lands and times over a 1500 year period and yet makes for a cohesive account of the activities of our creator within a historical context. The book of daniel foretold many 100 years in advance of the rise and fall of nations such as babylon, then persia then greece then rome with accurate detail. The old testament also has over 300 prophecies regarding christ that were fulfilled in the new testament
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks The book of daniel makes hardly any specific references to these places, and the prophecy aspect is only an assumption. It's not evidence, you can't just say it's the truth because the bible says it is, that makes no sense. The prophecies you speak of in the testament also do not even mention a jesus Christ and jewish people who follow the old testament maintain that it's not a prophecy of jesus christ.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy old* testament
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy hey dude, you show me that your not an expert in the bible, what i gave u about the prophecies are just some of the basics that are undeniable in the most basic scholarship levels. like c'mon, be a little rational, dont be so completely bias that u just write off everything, im not asking u to convert but do some sensible research. in my next few replies ill give u some quotes coming from some reputable sources, men in science,politics, and historians.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks I've already done the research, I'm telling you those "prophecies" are vague and the one about the old testament was written afterwards...so it would be easy for someone to read the old testament and then write an account of a prophecy fulfilled, is that so irrational? I mean they were studying the old testament when they wrote the new testament, plus, like I told you, there's no mention of Jesus Christ in that prophecy and jews maintain to this day that it isn't about him.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks I'm not just writing it off, I've read them, I've done the research. You, obviously, have not, you demonstrated it with this post and with your misquoted post.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks They are completely deniable, there's no evidence other than the bible and your assumptions. Rational people do not accept things as fact based on what's written in one book.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@KillaKillaKevvy "i believe the bible is the best gift God has given to man" Abraham Lincoln; "there is abeing who made all things,who holds all thingsin his power,and is therefore to be feared" sir isaac newton."in view of such harmony in the cosmos which i with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God.But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views" Albert einstein.
08greeks 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy . "In 2004 famed british atheist Antony flew suddenly announced he believed in the existence of God.It was the incredible complexity of DNA that opened his eyes and is now a christian" British press interview;"most cosmologists(scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe)agree that the genesis account of creation in imagining an initial void,may be uncannily close to the truth"Time,december 1976
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks So, what is that supposed to prove? That's not me, I don't share his opinions. 1976? Wow, that's really relevant. You do know that it's 2012, right? How about this statistic: Now...in 2012, about 75% of all scientists in the world are atheists or some version thereof, and the majority of the remaining 25% theist scientists believe in evolution. This doesn't prove anything either, but it certainly trumps your example from thirty six years ago.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy historic sources outside the bible which testify to christ and his resurrection and church include the writings of flavius josephus(AD93)the babylonian talmud(AD70-200)pliny the youngers letter to the emporer trajan(approxAD100)the annals of tacitus(AD115-117)suetonius life of claudius and life of nero(AD120)
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks If anything Josephus' writings disprove the bible, he talks about Jesus' brother...who is never mentioned in the holy bible. There are references to a person called jesus....that doesn't prove the bible is true or that god is real or that miracles actually happen or anything like that. Also, the Testimonium by Josephus, which mentions the death of christ, is considered most likely not authentic by scholars.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks The talmud? That's a book about jewish law and was written and compiled over the course of over five hundred years...that's not proof of anything you're trying to assert.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks The letters of Pliny the Younger refer to the historical existance of a person called Jesus Christ and of early Christianity, but do not prove god's existance or anything else.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks The annals of Tacitus also refer to the execution of Jesus Christ, but do not support your claims of a god or any truth to your bible. Also, Tacitus insisted that Christians knew nothing about their god.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks Suetonius' account of what happened during the great fire in rome support claims that the book of revelation was about rome and Nero, and not about the end of the world as asserted by most christians. It also only proves the existance of Christianity and possibly the historicity of Christ...it does not prove that tthe bible is true or that god exists. These examples are terrible. You've established you're familiar with the historicity of christ, but not with the mythology of the bible.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy heres one for u "it takes no brains to be an atheist.any stupid person can deny the existence of a supernatural power because mans physical senses cannot detect it.but there cannot be ignored the influence of conscience,the respect we feel for moral law,the mystery of first life,or the marvelous order in which the universe moves about us on this earth.all these evidence the handiwork of the beneficent deity,that is God of the bible" Dwight eisenhower
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Is that supposed to prove something? Now you're just pontificating.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy theres no mention of the actual name Jesus, but many scriptures that speak of his birth(virgin birth)his ministry, his life, his teachings and his crucifixion. and yes daniel was written before the fact because the translation of the hebrew to the greek(the septuagint) was three centuries prior to the new testament which included all of daniel but also the dead sea scrolls found in 1948 include daniel which is dated 100-200 years before the greek translation!!
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Right...which is all in the old testament, which makes it entirely feasible that it was read and then a fulfilled prophecy was written about it. And YES it makes no mention of Christ, and like I already told you there are plenty of stories about gods who had virgin births, were resurrected, even the date december 25 is similar in some cases. Scripture doesn't prove anything.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy lets be fair, many quotes i have given come from some of histories brightest and studied men. your statements on daniel and prophecy clearly shows you are in error and do not know what these books contain concerning prophecy(you dont have to be a christian to see that if u do an unbiased study) plus you have failed to give me any evidence that God does not exist, and your writing off on the bible is more to do with peronal bias rather than allowing where the evidence leads
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks "Many quotes I have given..." you gave three quotes altogether. Don't start patting yourself on the back just yet. And one of them was a misquote that most intelligent people are aware of. I know what the book of daniel says, it's not a prophecy for christ. Even if it was, scripture from the bible doesn't prove the bible's true. Both the prophecy and the fulfillment of the prophecy could be made up because there's no evidence for either of them.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks I don't have to prove god doesn't exist, you're asserting that he does exist so you have to prove it.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy"the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." romans 1:18-20
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks How many times do I have to tell you that you can't prove the bible is true by quoting the bible? It's getting really old, find a real argument please.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." Romans 1:21-23 (These verses reveal the real reason of your rebellion against God who will hold u accountable unless u repent)
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks You have to establish your proof for why the bible is true before you start making claims like "These verses reveal"...etc. Circular logic does not prove it is true.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good, not even one.”
romans 3:10-12 thats the real problem of this unbelieving world
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks I guarantee you that my inherent morality is far superior to your inability to form your own morality. The fact that you would change your moral views in an instant from the whims of an invisible man in the sky prove this. Stop quoting scripture, it's making you look extraordinarily foolish.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy here we go again, no, daniel foretells the rise and fall of four empires including the separating of greece into four provinces after alexander the great,(dan8:5-8) and in chap 7:13-14 is a clear reference to Jesus as he referred to himself as son of man.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks It doesn't mention Christ by name at all, even if it did it wouldn't prove anything. Matthew, or whoever actually wrote the book of Matthew, could have easily read the old testament and created a story to go in line with that prophecy. The fact that you keep implying it's about jesus but you can't deny that it doesn't even mention him is pretty evident that you're not willing to accept factual evidence.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy sorry, i didnt want to make you angry my friend, thats okay, i wish u all the best and thank you for debating with me. if i could say, just try and be abit more open and not so closed off, you dont know what u may be missing. an agnostic once said that you cant prove or disprove the existence of God, but like cs lewis says, Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or the son of God, Jesus states "i am the way,the truth and the life,no one comes to the father but through me" John14:6
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Im not angry, and I'm totally open it's just that I've already heard the claims you are making numerous times before and I know they are not factually evident. I do know what I'm missing because I used to be a protestant christian. Nice quotes, still doesn't help your argument.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks I assume you're mistaking my arrogance for anger, if it offends you I don't really care that's who I am.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy also there would be no christian church today if it werent for the resurrection of Jesus. When he was crucified his disciples went into hiding for fear of their lives from roman authorities. So the question to ask is what caused these men to come out from hiding and proclaim that Jesus is the christ knowing full well they would go to their deaths(which most of them did).seeing the resurrected Jesus!, otherwise would they have not confessed they lied when they faced death?
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks There's still no proof or evidence, and what about the many other gods in other religions that are older than christianity who have similar or almost exactly the same origin story as jesus christ? and even if he was resurrected it's not proof that he's the son of god or god himself, not that I believe the story, because many people were resurrected in the bible and they weren't called gods.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy have u read the forward from sir arthur keith on charles darwins origin of the species (100th edition) "evolution is unproved and unprovable.we believe it only because the only alternative is special creation,and that is unthinkable" you see? when i previously told u that men (like yourself) hate the fact that we are accountable to a creator God. (if u can believe that the 4 faces carved into mt rushmore could happen by chance and time you have more faith than me my friend).
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Haha, did you read that in the actual book? The quote you are referencing is a misquote and a common misconception, and is also considered a purposefully spread lie. The real introduction by Keith says "The Origin of the Species is still the book which contains the most complete demonstration that the law of evolution is true." The same misquote you used has also been attributed to George Wald, but that's also a lie. The rest of your comment is unintelligible, so I won't respond to it.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy you forget the fact that knowing christ is also an experiential fact, many people like myself have been changed by the life giving power of the gospel, i used to sell drugs and get into fights and rip off people i knew, and i used to mock christians. but deep down inside i knew there was something missing, (how did we develop a conscience if all we are just descendents of seamonkeys or are our brains just computers made out of meat?)
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Well if you think we're descendant from seamonkeys you don't even grasp the concept of evolution, and if you have the ability to pick and choose the parts of the bible which are moral and immoral you are proving that you have an inherent morality that has nothing to do with religion or god or anything like that. If you think religion gives you morals does that mean if god told you it was okay to murder people you'd just go and do it?
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy Knowing Jesus Christ as my lord has given me peace in this life,purpose, ive seen many prayers answered, i sense the love of God and would never trade this for the deceptions and delusions of darwinism. if we are just animals then why are u so worried then mate? enjoy your atheism, why are u so worried about even this discussion? you are just another cog in the machine, and if someone kills u or your loved ones,rejoice,its survival of the fittest.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Just because someone believes in god doesn't bmean they have to reject evolution (I'm not a darwinist, I have observed the evidence for evolution and I find it to be a lot more convincing than intelligent design.) We are intellectual animals, and I'm not worried about anything. You're worried about going to hell, which is why you're a christian. I enjoy discussions and arguments, it's a part of my intellectual growth. If you want to just talk about me then send me a private message.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy also i no longer fear death, i know that my sins are forgiven and i have eternal life! if im wrong, then oh well, when we die i go to nothing and i was a bit deluded but at least my faith enriched my life, but if your wrong well, (and i dont wish you end there) you will be suffering great torment because you refused to come to christ and be cleansed of your sins. "just as people are destined to die once and after that to face judgement" hebrews 9:27
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks You don't wish it upon me? But you believe I deserve eternal torment, correct? Did I mention how immoral that is? I didn't refuse to come to christ, I refused to believe a claim based on no evidence, because I'm an intelligent human being. Your sins are forgiven? So it's okay if you murder people as long as you accept christ as your savior you don't have to take responsibility? How is that moral?
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy also talking about silliness, your the one who believes complex living beings just appeared from nothing, that takes a better faith than mine to think something like a sports car would appear fully formed by chance from a car wreckage dump over millions of years with the right conditions. maybe thats why whales beach themselves mate, the're trying to evolve and we push them back in again!!
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks I do not believe that everything appeared from nothing, you do. If you can't understand quantum physics that is your problem, not mine. The only "evidence" you have for intelligent design is "I can't understand it so it must be god." That is an argument from ignorance.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy what about the amazing complexity of dna? thats what is called an irreducibly complex system, where u need all of its components working in conjunction with one another, otherwise it wouldnt have no reason to exist.natural selection cannot help u build such systems, it can only preserve them once theyve been built.darwin himself said if it can be proven that a complex system wasnt built by slight numerous modifications his thoery would break down.(origin of species 154)
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Um, if you knew anything about irreducible complexity you'd know that it means a certain thing can not be broken down anymore than it already is...and DNA is not irreducibly complex. What darwin was saying was that there's no such thing as fate and things have happened exactly how they have happened, not that they were designed. Please stop trying to use these common quotes, I've heard them all before. This one is worse than the last.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks Natural selection has NOTHING to do with irreducible complexity. Please, do some research on what you're talking about before you start trying to act like you know what you're talking about.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy you know whats immoral mate, we fail to see that we break Gods commands daily and we have such a high view of ourselves. have u never lied?have u never lusted after women(im assuming your male) u never used Gods name in vain? at the end of the day, there is no thing such as atheists, they claim that they dont believe in God and just like u go on to talk about him and what he reveals in scripture with hatred and anger which by implication you are conceding he is real.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks I'm only speaking on the same level as you so you'll understand. Know this, I do not believe in any gods or anthropomorphic deities or any kind, I do not believe in sin, original or otherwise. None of these things apply to me, yes I have done this that are less than reputable in my lifetime, but I take responsibility for them and try my best to learn a lesson and never do them again. It doesn't mean I'm trying to make god happy, I'm just not an evil person.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy I have done *things* that are less than reputable...
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks Your religion encourages you to be irresponsible and to blame all of your faults on the temptations of the devil, you don't have to worry about trying to be a good person because in the end all of your sins will be forgiven so it won't matter. This is what most christians believe to be true, whether they try to be good people or not. It is a wholly immoral system. If you take the bible literally it's immoral as well.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy classic atheist statement "i dont believe in God, but i do hate him" your arguments sound more and more defensive without no substance. you still have not disproven the existence of God. please explain the origin of life to me. ive at least tried to give some argument, can u give me more than just "i do not believe that everything came from nothing. i reckon that even u don know what quantum physics are. suppose it sounds fancy but doesnt explain where we come from.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks That is completely ignorant. How can I hate something I don't even think exists? I already told you the burden of proof is on you, you're asserting that god exists so you have to prove it. I don't know why you keep trying to force the burden of proof onto me, it isn't my belief. Don't you understand, yet? you really want me to explain quantum physics to you? Seriously? Look it up, I don't care to indulge your laziness and ignorance.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks I never said I hated any gods. I do not believe in anthropomorphic deities. Do not put words in my mouth, it's completely dishonest.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy "the God hypothesis is now a more respectable hypothesis than at any time in the last 100 years"(historian of science Frederic burnham.1992) so wheres the millions of intermediate transitional fossils we would find (and dont worry about java man, piltdown man, nebraska man which have been exposed as frauds from overzealous scientists, they too have an agenda,motives etc) but i suppose when a man puts on a white coat what ever he says is true........
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks Considering Frederic Burnham is a Christian historian, I wouldn't give him much credit. Most of his work is done through christian church organizations. You're better off quoting William Lane Craig...even then I've probably already heard it. As far as fossils go...you do know it's extremely difficult to create a fossil?...but anyway, ever heard of Archaeopteryx or Runcaria? Those are both transitional fossils. you asked where they are...they're right in front of you.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy DNA is not reducibly complex, then what is it? it provides info to the cells. even bill gates stated that the information in dna is more advanced than any software program hes seen. the cells in our body are also irreducibly complex. your now clutching at straws and again providing no decent defense. "Many scientists are now driven to faith by their work" allan rex sandage.
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks First of all, irreducible complexity is a psudoscience and is rejected by the scientific community. There's no evidence for it either, it's just another assumptions that favors intelligent design, DNA can still be broken down so it's not irreducibly complex. Bill gates did not say that because we can in fact recreate dna on a computer. It's been done. If you say DNA is irreducibly complex you can't also claim that the cells in our body are as well, that is ignorance.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy "would it not be strange if a universe without purpose accidently created humans who are so obsessed with purpose?" Sir john templeton. I have produced sound arguments and all u can do is "no thats wrong" without giving explanations. how about richard dawkins? his book God delusion? Its funny how evolutionist Michael ruse stated " the God delusion makes me ashamed of being an atheist" what about the incredible fine tuning of the universe, is that all by chance as well?
08greeks 1 week ago
@08greeks What sound arguments? I've refuted every claim you made with evidence. You have provided none, do not project your inability to defend your position onto me, it isn't my fault you can't provide proof or factual evidence...it is your problem. Who cares what Muchael Ruse said? he thinks dawkins is arrogant, which he is, that's just someone's opinion. It isn't proof, stop deluding yourself with the opinions of people who aren't you. John Templton was a stock broker...that's your proof?
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@08greeks What incredible fine tuning??? You mean our tail bones which serve no purpose other than to support something that we no longer have? Our appendixes? An organ which has no function? that fine tuning? Please, broad sweeping statements like that with no citations at all are really annoying and you're further proving your ignorance.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy HA HA HA archaeopteryx? "an archaeopteryx as beautiful as it is,doesnt show us one way or another.besides we see strange animals around today,like the duck billed platypus which nobody considers transitional but which has characteristics of different classes"Jonathon wells phd molecular biology/embryology.also dont bother with archaeoraptor or bambiraptor they both been well documented and exposed as frauds, a chinese farmer glued a dinosaur tail on a primitive bird! ha ha ha
08greeks 1 week ago
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@08greeks Well, you asked for transitional fossils and I gave you two examples. You could easily type in "transitional fossils" into google or something and find plenty of examples. You have the freedom to be ignorant and lazy if you want.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks Well, you asked for transitional fossils and I gave you two examples. You could easily type in "transitional fossils" into google or something and find plenty of examples. You have the freedom to be ignorant and lazy if you want.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks Archaeopteryx is the most popular example, it is considered evidence of transitional forms. You don't have to believe it but I'm providing you with the evidence you requested.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy wonderfully said, you said "we can recreate dna" ha ha thats intelligent design!! it still takes your thinking, a man made computer, and blueprints from dna itself! so where is its first cause.Isnt God amazing! i know your intelligent answer is "from nothing" dont be so full of yourself mate, dont forget, the burden of proof is on u, you have not really diffussed any arguments, your just denying everything ive said.
08greeks 1 week ago
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@08greeks Like I already told you, it's not from nothing, your lack of understanding of quantum physics is just an argument from ignorance. Please, stop making me repeat myself. Oh really? We can create it on a computer so that proves god? Then how'd they know about god two thousand years ago without computers, hmm? yeah, great argument. So, if god created us on a computer, who created god?
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks Well?? Shouldn't that be an easy question to answer?? You claim to know all the answers and you're so certain about them, so tell me who or what created god? If it's impossible for something to come from nothing, he must have come from somehwere, so where is it? Hmm? Answer the question.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy so is that all u have some bird thing, as i said before,where are the millions of transitional fossils if weve been on this earth for billions..no millions...no trillions of years on this (scientists always changing their minds,)planet we would have mountains of fossils. but alas, nothing, why dont u look up the cambrian explosion, fully formed species each in some of the major animal life forms, no transitions, just fully ...created forms.
08greeks 1 week ago
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@08greeks If you knew anything about fossils you'd know they are incredibly hard to create and very rare. They're not just laying around all over the place. You don't know what you're talking about, why do you bother talking when you have no idea about what you're talking? And no, it's not trillions....the earth is about 4 billion years old and the universe is about 14 billion...but I assume you believe it's only about six thousand years old, right? So...were we riding dinosaurs?
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks And, no, there's not just the one "bird thing", if you weren't so lazy you'd look it up for yourself you'd be able to see plenty of examples. BUT, I also mentioned Runcaria....which you didn't have any cool quotes for.....c'mon, stop acting like such a child. Do the research and stop making me repeat myself.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy "human dna contains more organized information than the encyclopedia britannica.if the full text of the encyclopedia were to arrive in computer code from outer space,most people would regard this as proof of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence.but when seen in nature,it is explained as the workings of random forces" George sim Johnson. ha ha love that one, shows the folly of us "educated" folk.
08greeks 1 week ago
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@08greeks George Sim Johnston (sic)? Are you talking about the evangelist author? Faith based rhetoric is not proof. If that's really who you're quoting, I mean....you couldn't find a more biased opinion. And even that specific quote says nothing about evidence or facts, it's just some evangelist's opinion on the matter....and since there hasn't been any computer code from heaven or any extraterrestrial lifeforms this example has no basis in reality.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks Also, just to point out...if you believe what he's saying about DNA in this quote...you must realize it contradicts your earlier statement that DNA is irreducibly complex...since he's saying it contains organized information....so which is it? DNA is complex and full of organized information...or is it the last measurable cellular level as you claimed back when you were defending irreducible complexity? Make up your mind.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy why dont u look up cilium on google, or even bacterial flagellum, look it up and see how amazingly irreducibly complex those micro machines are in our bodies. Also check out michael j behe phd in chemistry, he'll teach u on the cell and dna, and no, he is not a christian.
08greeks 1 week ago
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@08greeks And what does that prove? God is a flagellum? Your just spouting more and more claims, irreducible complexity is not factual, it is completely disregarded by the scientific community...which is full of scientists who study things in reality and not in surreality. The fact is there are thousands of different flagella in bacteria with many different functions. Many species of flagella have components which are functional by themselves, it's a false assumption.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks Also, most biologists will agree that most of the components needed to make a flagellum are already present in the bacteria before the flagella appear.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
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@08greeks Either you don't know what you're talking about or you're just ignoring the parts that you're not comfortable with. As most Christians omit parts of the bible they are not comfortable with, such as god's advocacy of slavery and genocide.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
If Jesus was exclusive, and we claim to be followers of Him, then we have to be the same as well. I also think that Joel is on dangerous ground when, in another video, he doesn't seem to know what Mormons believe much less what other cults and religions believe and yet he wants to say there's a common bond when there's not. Theological issues are the core of our faith and must be acknowledged, otherwise I don't think he can be seriously committed to truth. It must be done in love of course.
seattlefs 2 weeks ago
Jesus Christ clearly excluded any other way to salvation and to the Father and Joel needs to express that to people in a manner of love and grace. He is morally obligated to correct peoples' thinking about Jesus and the gospel if they are in error. And he's not being entirely clear on the notion of "judge". If he means condemn, then I'm with him 100%. If he means to make discerning or moral judgments about people, he's mistaken.
seattlefs 2 weeks ago
@seattlefs There's no way to express in a loving manner that anyone who doesn't agree with your invisible friend is going to be tortured for eternity in hell. It can be done discriminatorily or threateningly, or even in a hypocritically loving manner. But, not in a sincerely loving manner, no no, you can not damn someone to hell in a nice way.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
I think Benny Hinn was perhaps a bit explicit in his remarks but I think there's a fair criticism to be made. Joel Osteen, at least in this video, doesn't seem to want to take a position and risk being politically incorrect. He wants to retreat to the line "I want to share my way.... who am I to judge... only God can know the heart". I think there's an element of truth there. But he's clearly mistaken to think that he cannot make exclusive claims when it comes to the Gospel.
seattlefs 2 weeks ago
@seattlefs You're right, he should just admit that he's a bigoted homophobe who hates anti-christians and thinks they should be tortured on earth as well as in hell for all eternity, like Benny has the balls to do.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
Not one of these can defend (sad) themselfs here. Christians always seeing the SIN in others 1st. They sin not against you. Trust me when YOU and I stand before Him He will NEVER EVER ask us what we thought of Benny or Joel. Did we love them, did we forgive them 70*7 did we pray for them or gossip? If ANYONE needs help.. help them, love them no MATTER WHAT the cost! Stop seeing sin in others or yours will come to the top.
Dosblade 2 weeks ago
Joel Osteen is a jerk and a false prophet. Everything Benny Hinn says about Joel Osteen is the truth.
garycooper1000 2 weeks ago
@garycooper1000 Everything he says about Joel is also true of himself.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy Joel Osteen does not believe Jesus is the only way. He would be the first person to deny his faith if he was told renounce Jesus Christ or be thrown in the lions den.
garycooper1000 1 week ago
@garycooper1000 as would most christians.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy Joel Osteen is a waste of time,he's not a dynamic speaker like Billy Graham,he doesn't do any miracles like Kathryn Kuhlman. All he does is copy Dale Carnegie with positive thinking. I'm OK, you're OK. He doesn't even know Mormonism is a cult.
garycooper1000 1 week ago
@garycooper1000 Christianity is also a cult. Graham was just a charismatic televangelist...but I'll give him credit for rejecting the "moral majority" crap from Falwell. Kuhlman? eh, she's just another faith healer in my opinion, right up there with Benny. I think Dale Carnegie was just a passive Machiavellian...have you read "how to win friends and influence people"?, it has a lot to do with manipulation (and kissing ass).
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@KillaKillaKevvy When you say Kuhlman was just another faith healer I get the impression you think there are no documented miracles by her or Benny. Watch Kathryn Kuhlman I believe in Miracles # 37 on youtube. The teenage girl had bone cancer and 8 doctors said her leg had to be amputated. It is documented by 8 doctors and 4 hospitals.
garycooper1000 1 week ago
@garycooper1000 Well I don't believe in miracles, and there's no evidence for anyone to differentiate between a miracle and an act of nature other than what's in the bible...which is also not evidence. You can't actually document a miracle because there is no evidence and there's no way to provide evidence. I can easily claim that my god provided the cure for that girl, and there's no way for you to prove otherwise. Know what I'm saying?
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
@garycooper1000 You are pretty sure of that huh? Its funny because Peter said he would never leave Jesus or deny him. Yet he did.
genesistwoeighteen 1 week ago
@genesistwoeighteen Peter was given another chance and did not deny Jesus the second time when Peter was crucified upside down.
garycooper1000 1 week ago
The bible says someone with a squashed testicle may not enter church. The bible says ten generations of a bastard may not enter church. What kind of god condemns a child for something his fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, father did?
gumpydoood 2 weeks ago
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bluehenchem1st 2 weeks ago
@gumpydoood An all-powerful, all-loving god of course. lol, just kidding.
KillaKillaKevvy 1 week ago
a phony rebuking a phony? eh?
08greeks 2 weeks ago 2
@08greeks How do we know your not a phony? Ususally when you call someone a name you are usually the name you are calling the other person. Havent you ever looked in the mirror and really saw who you are? In other words take the plank out of your eye so you can "see clearly" or "so you are right with God". This is when you will be able to "see clearly". I know these men are men of God. And I can see that your heart is hard. Even David did not dare bring accusation against Saul.
genesistwoeighteen 2 weeks ago
@genesistwoeighteen read 1 & 2 timothy and see how many people the apostle paul names who did harm to him and the church. or why not read 3 john where he also names diotrephes "who loves to be first" or what about when paul says in 1 corinthians 5:12 to judge those in the church and not outside. so going by your assessment we are to except any preacher without any discernment? Osteen has proven many times he has no discernment by claiming mormons are christians and hinn..his teachings prove fals
08greeks 2 weeks ago
@genesistwoeighteen also can i