@dedasdude You are incorrect. With zero fans and all case vents plugged up, I did not get reflow until I actually put a heat lamp on my Noctua NH-D14. No A/C in the house either. Before the heat lamp I had the CPU running at 95C using Prime95 for 30 minutes with no fans on. With the best of the best air coolers, you will need to assist the reflow procedure by putting an external heat source on/near the Heat Sink.
@dedasdude You are incorrect. With zero fans and all case vents plugged up, I did not get reflow until I actually put a heat lamp on my Noctua NH-D14. No A/C in the house either. Before the heat lamp I had the CPU running at 95C using Prime95 for 30 minutes with no fans on. With the best of the best air coolers, you will need to assist the reflow procedure by putting an external heat source on/near the Heat Sink.
I have a huge question. In the video it says after the rise back up to the max temps, to "reconnect the cpu and case fans", wouldn't that cause a short while the system is still on? Should the system be as level as possible? Does it matter the how much pressure the heatsink is exerting on the heatsink on the cpu. I'm going to be getting a Prolimatech Megahalem (best heatsink available for overclocking IMO).
what about AMD cpus? my phenom I in my mum's computer for example is rated to be safe under 61C, so how the hell would I get this to work if it just cuts out not much above that?
and my new phenom II which is what I would use it on, that has a thermal limit of only 63C! so how would it work on any AMD cpu?
@super6plx well this paste is designed specifically for intel i thnk, there might be a similar version with lower melting point for amd, but the best soloution is, get an intel, they are costlier, but you get what you pay for ;)
My only question is... what is the maximum safe operating temperature after reflow has been completed. I just did an install today and I don't want it to reflow again during use.
@moose4computers That really depends on what CPU you are using. Intel CPU's are at max safe temps all the way up to 100c and will shut down to save themselves at that point. AMD current lineup tops out in the low to mid 60c range and will shutdown to save themselves. Most AMDs will tend to operate at full load in the 50c range with premium cooling and most Intel's tend to run full in the 50c to 60c range. OC'ing can bump those temps another 10c.
This stuff is great. I got a good reflow on the first try (and I am using a Prolimatech Mega Shadow heatsink, 6 heatpipes). I could have set my watch by the reflow times in the documentation. I had great temps, saw a 8C drop in temps initially on my i7 920. Unfortunatly, shortly after install of the Indigo Extreme, I had to RMA my motherboard but that gave me the experience of removing the TIM. Let me tell you what, I could read my CPU serial # in that stuff! Perfect!
I havent had to remove mine yet, but when I rebuild my loop I'll get a chance to see what it looks like. I wont have anything to read as I lapped my IHS last year. I'm still curious as how it will look like.
This is rtpnj. Enerdyne gave me a couple more kits on the house. This time, even though I had all fans off like usual, I also covered all vented holes of the case. After 8 minutes of Prime95, my temps were kinda going down, but nothing like the instruction charts showed. I then took a heat lamp, and put it on the D-14. BAM, I finally got reflow instantly. Enerdyne needs to update their docs, because if you have a monster Heatsink, you WILL NOT achieve reflow using their instructions.
Some reviewers have said that premium aircoolers can take over 10 minutes to get a reflow going. Also make sure that if you run Prime95, that you run it for each core. If you only run one instance of it then only one core is doing the job. It makes it all but impossible to get a reflow like that.
@kodai666 I'd say that might be true. I was running Prime 95 and started getting concerned at about 6 minutes, but right about the 9 minute mark, the temps started dropping like expected. The reflow completed about the 11 minute mark, then I cooled everything down and it seems to be working perfectly.
@thePopinjay No worries man. Glad I saved you the headache. This stuff is really great once you get it work, though. Rocking 4.2GHz with my i7 920 no sweat, and on air!!!. Temps never get above 65-66 Celsius. When I was using AS5, those temps were around 68-70C.
Hard to do this with a cpu heatsink that actually removes heat via pipes. Having something transferring heat melting under extreme heat sounds kinda scary to me.
So after this stuff melts the first time, will it melt again if I hit 90C?
Yes, it will melt again. But since the cooler is mounted with proper pressure on teh IHS (the CPU cover), the melted metal would not move or "flow" again so there is no concern there. However, it you hit 90c again, then some else is really wrong and the remelted metal is the least of your worries. In short, its remelting would have no effect on how well it works nor is it a danger. Just make sure it doesnt get hot enough to remelt, as thats the issue you should worry about.
If your proc reaches 90c you have other problems besides worrying about your heat-sink compound if the heat-sink is working properly it should not get anywhere near 90c.
Absolutely did not work for me. Used both applications correctly with my Noctua D14. Had all fans off. Went and ran Prime95. Temps immediately went to 95C and stayed there, and didn't budge for 30 min. Finally gave up, and when I took off the heatsink, this crap hadn't even changed shape. I made sure that everything was perfect. I'm gonna try to get my money back.
it failed to flow because the cpu cooler didn't get hot enough... i had something similar happen with my mugen 2, which has nearly as much cooling surface area as your d14... i had to turn off all of the case fans, and cut off all airflow, before it finally reflowed... cpu coolers with large mass are going to take longer to reflow, and it's harder to heat 'em up.
Don't get me wrong, not saying the thermal paste is bad. Just seems pointless to overheat my system to maybe get a 1-3c drop over other thermal pastes.
I'd rather risk my PC running 3c higher normally then 30c over what I'd EVER push my pc to, even for a minute!
The reason for needing to get it that hot is that this isn't a grease. It's a metal that has a low melting point and either softens enough to flow (or completely liquefies) around 90C at which point all the excess is squeezed out (similar to if you have too much grease on). This has to happen at a higher temperature than your PC normally operates at or it couldn't be used in a normal tower because it'd all ooze out the bottom.
@mue88: You misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying the reason it needed to get hotter than normal operating temps during the initial melt and bonding process was to keep it from melting again in normal use. I was responding to the people who wanted it to set at about the same temperature their ship operated at normally and pointing out why that would have been a bad idea.
i bought some but i didnt notice any significant temperature changes...it also didnt cover the entire chip...which is something i didnt really like...I'm using it for an lga1366 chip.
How does this stuff come off when you do CPU changes for example.
cbremer83 3 weeks ago
Can you put a Water block over it?
MrGrandDragon 1 month ago
Why would you display this tutorial video in such LOW RESOLUTION!??
It appears blurry.
USAdystopia 3 months ago
even if you have a monster heatsink, just boot and unplug the heatsinks fan. also have all other fans off. switch off your rooms AC too,
reflow WILL occur.
dedasdude 7 months ago
@dedasdude You are incorrect. With zero fans and all case vents plugged up, I did not get reflow until I actually put a heat lamp on my Noctua NH-D14. No A/C in the house either. Before the heat lamp I had the CPU running at 95C using Prime95 for 30 minutes with no fans on. With the best of the best air coolers, you will need to assist the reflow procedure by putting an external heat source on/near the Heat Sink.
DHGroove 4 months ago
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@dedasdude You are incorrect. With zero fans and all case vents plugged up, I did not get reflow until I actually put a heat lamp on my Noctua NH-D14. No A/C in the house either. Before the heat lamp I had the CPU running at 95C using Prime95 for 30 minutes with no fans on. With the best of the best air coolers, you will need to assist the reflow procedure by putting an external heat source on/near the Heat Sink.
DHGroove 4 months ago
Can you use Prime95, instead of SpeedFan to initiate the "Reflow" process?
Highlander01 8 months ago
@Highlander01 Of course you can. The CPU just needs to get how it doesn't matter what program it is running...
Plur307 8 months ago
I have a huge question. In the video it says after the rise back up to the max temps, to "reconnect the cpu and case fans", wouldn't that cause a short while the system is still on? Should the system be as level as possible? Does it matter the how much pressure the heatsink is exerting on the heatsink on the cpu. I'm going to be getting a Prolimatech Megahalem (best heatsink available for overclocking IMO).
Houstain 1 year ago
what about AMD cpus? my phenom I in my mum's computer for example is rated to be safe under 61C, so how the hell would I get this to work if it just cuts out not much above that?
and my new phenom II which is what I would use it on, that has a thermal limit of only 63C! so how would it work on any AMD cpu?
super6plx 1 year ago
@super6plx well this paste is designed specifically for intel i thnk, there might be a similar version with lower melting point for amd, but the best soloution is, get an intel, they are costlier, but you get what you pay for ;)
klooger28 2 months ago
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My only question is... what is the maximum safe operating temperature after reflow has been completed. I just did an install today and I don't want it to reflow again during use.
moose4computers 1 year ago
@moose4computers That really depends on what CPU you are using. Intel CPU's are at max safe temps all the way up to 100c and will shut down to save themselves at that point. AMD current lineup tops out in the low to mid 60c range and will shutdown to save themselves. Most AMDs will tend to operate at full load in the 50c range with premium cooling and most Intel's tend to run full in the 50c to 60c range. OC'ing can bump those temps another 10c.
kodai666 1 year ago
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moose4computers 1 year ago
Could Everest Ultimate be used for both burning and temp monotoring aswell???
hugonainsquis 1 year ago
speedfan lol
Coachramsies 1 year ago
This stuff is great. I got a good reflow on the first try (and I am using a Prolimatech Mega Shadow heatsink, 6 heatpipes). I could have set my watch by the reflow times in the documentation. I had great temps, saw a 8C drop in temps initially on my i7 920. Unfortunatly, shortly after install of the Indigo Extreme, I had to RMA my motherboard but that gave me the experience of removing the TIM. Let me tell you what, I could read my CPU serial # in that stuff! Perfect!
fairchildbrad 2 years ago
I havent had to remove mine yet, but when I rebuild my loop I'll get a chance to see what it looks like. I wont have anything to read as I lapped my IHS last year. I'm still curious as how it will look like.
kodai666 2 years ago
This is rtpnj. Enerdyne gave me a couple more kits on the house. This time, even though I had all fans off like usual, I also covered all vented holes of the case. After 8 minutes of Prime95, my temps were kinda going down, but nothing like the instruction charts showed. I then took a heat lamp, and put it on the D-14. BAM, I finally got reflow instantly. Enerdyne needs to update their docs, because if you have a monster Heatsink, you WILL NOT achieve reflow using their instructions.
DHGroove 2 years ago 8
Some reviewers have said that premium aircoolers can take over 10 minutes to get a reflow going. Also make sure that if you run Prime95, that you run it for each core. If you only run one instance of it then only one core is doing the job. It makes it all but impossible to get a reflow like that.
kodai666 2 years ago
@kodai666 I'd say that might be true. I was running Prime 95 and started getting concerned at about 6 minutes, but right about the 9 minute mark, the temps started dropping like expected. The reflow completed about the 11 minute mark, then I cooled everything down and it seems to be working perfectly.
moose4computers 1 year ago
@DHGroove Thank you very much for posting this. I too have an NH-D14 and couldn't get reflow even after 15 minutes of straight Priming.
Then I tried putting a halogen work light right above the D14 and after a couple minutes after it was hot enough, boom I got reflow :D
Thanks again, you saved me a lot of time. Anyone else who has an NH-D14 with IX definitely needs to use this heat lamp trick.
thePopinjay 1 year ago
@thePopinjay No worries man. Glad I saved you the headache. This stuff is really great once you get it work, though. Rocking 4.2GHz with my i7 920 no sweat, and on air!!!. Temps never get above 65-66 Celsius. When I was using AS5, those temps were around 68-70C.
DHGroove 1 year ago
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thePopinjay 1 year ago
Hard to do this with a cpu heatsink that actually removes heat via pipes. Having something transferring heat melting under extreme heat sounds kinda scary to me.
So after this stuff melts the first time, will it melt again if I hit 90C?
dankeschone 2 years ago
Yes, it will melt again. But since the cooler is mounted with proper pressure on teh IHS (the CPU cover), the melted metal would not move or "flow" again so there is no concern there. However, it you hit 90c again, then some else is really wrong and the remelted metal is the least of your worries. In short, its remelting would have no effect on how well it works nor is it a danger. Just make sure it doesnt get hot enough to remelt, as thats the issue you should worry about.
kodai666 2 years ago
@dankeschone
If your proc reaches 90c you have other problems besides worrying about your heat-sink compound if the heat-sink is working properly it should not get anywhere near 90c.
mue88 2 years ago
Absolutely did not work for me. Used both applications correctly with my Noctua D14. Had all fans off. Went and ran Prime95. Temps immediately went to 95C and stayed there, and didn't budge for 30 min. Finally gave up, and when I took off the heatsink, this crap hadn't even changed shape. I made sure that everything was perfect. I'm gonna try to get my money back.
rtpnj 2 years ago
The Noctua D14 has heat pipes you cant turn them off like a fan or a pump. I had no problems with the reflow procedure avg core temp drop of 5c.
I was using AS5 on my i7 940 w/ koolance CPU 345AT
mue88 2 years ago
it failed to flow because the cpu cooler didn't get hot enough... i had something similar happen with my mugen 2, which has nearly as much cooling surface area as your d14... i had to turn off all of the case fans, and cut off all airflow, before it finally reflowed... cpu coolers with large mass are going to take longer to reflow, and it's harder to heat 'em up.
DragRacingTV 2 years ago
Lowest overall thermal resistance of any TIM available today
No cure time
Most consistent performance - automatically applies the correct amount of alloy
Fully compatible with all surfaces, including copper and aluminum
Fully sealed structure - no mess or migration
Easy clean-up just peel to remove
Laser-cut precision
TheMRamstaff 2 years ago
Kind of seems pointless to purposly push your CPU say 30c higher then it will ever run, just to install the thermal paste..
90c is 30-35c higher then my cpu will EVER see. Why push it there just to later see a couple degree drop?! sounds ass backwards to me..
Towlieee 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, not saying the thermal paste is bad. Just seems pointless to overheat my system to maybe get a 1-3c drop over other thermal pastes.
I'd rather risk my PC running 3c higher normally then 30c over what I'd EVER push my pc to, even for a minute!
Towlieee 2 years ago
The reason for needing to get it that hot is that this isn't a grease. It's a metal that has a low melting point and either softens enough to flow (or completely liquefies) around 90C at which point all the excess is squeezed out (similar to if you have too much grease on). This has to happen at a higher temperature than your PC normally operates at or it couldn't be used in a normal tower because it'd all ooze out the bottom.
Danst31 2 years ago
@Danst31
If you read the instructions it says to do the reflow with the case horizontal then after its done you can place the case back up right.
mue88 2 years ago
@mue88: You misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying the reason it needed to get hotter than normal operating temps during the initial melt and bonding process was to keep it from melting again in normal use. I was responding to the people who wanted it to set at about the same temperature their ship operated at normally and pointing out why that would have been a bad idea.
SummonerStars 2 years ago
how much is this stuff and will it void the warranty of i7 920 DO?
depthcharge82 2 years ago
it is 20$ for amd am3 chips
TheMRamstaff 2 years ago
i bought some but i didnt notice any significant temperature changes...it also didnt cover the entire chip...which is something i didnt really like...I'm using it for an lga1366 chip.
depthcharge82 2 years ago
Can You show a video showing how to clean CPU from this TIM? I think that putting this product onto cpu will void my cpu warranty...
zenlabs 2 years ago
looks dangerous
ya6655 2 years ago
this thing looks dope. I'm bouts to get one
Camphibious 2 years ago 6